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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friend, and welcome to Who Did What Now?

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Speaker 1: The history podcast that is not your history class with me,

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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books.

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Speaker 2: Here is a little old day from the Vault Marlena.

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Speaker 3: Dietrich because I want to be alone now. Just to

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Speaker 3: warn everyone, my voice is gone. I have a very husky,

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Speaker 3: sexy voice in this.

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Speaker 2: Episode, which is nice for some.

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Speaker 3: It was less pleasant for me. I think I had

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Speaker 3: to take so many breaks because.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, but with it being a Hollywood history a month,

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Speaker 3: I I am so glad to share this with you.

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Speaker 3: I blood you love Marlena Dietrich, and I thought you

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Speaker 3: deserve a little bit of fun. You deserve a really

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Speaker 3: cool women who wanted to poison Hitler with a happen

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Speaker 3: because of course she did anyway, without further ado, I

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Speaker 3: do hope you enjoyed this all Day from the Vault

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Speaker 3: episode of Marlena Dietrich. Have fun.

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Speaker 2: If you are new here, this is not my usual voice.

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Speaker 2: This is much sexier than my usual voice. I am sick,

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Speaker 2: because of course I am, because I can't stay healthy

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Speaker 2: for more than five minutes. But fuck it, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Here we are. Oh you may have noticed that I

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Speaker 2: speak with language more colorful than a kaleidoscope filled with

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Speaker 2: the word fuck. But here we are welcome. If you

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Speaker 2: don't like it, though, you might want to exit stage left. Good,

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Speaker 2: now that we've separated the week from the chaff, how

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Speaker 2: are you what you're doing? Well? Yeah, this has been

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Speaker 2: it's been a fun week. It's been a busy week,

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Speaker 2: trying to get sort of more of the tour dates

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Speaker 2: locked in. All the events are going to be going

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Speaker 2: up on the website, so they're going to be on there,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, it's going to be good. I'm excited. Are

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Speaker 2: you excited? I'm excited. We should all be excited. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, what your gibber

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Speaker 2: jabber in fact me, in fact you. Well, but first

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Speaker 2: we've got to get our source on. Our sources are

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Speaker 2: Marlina Dietrich Life and Legend by Stephen Buck, Marlena Dietrich

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Speaker 2: by Maria Riva Blue Angel, The Life of Marlina Dietrich

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Speaker 2: by Donald Spoto, Steenberg and Dietrich. The Phenomenology of Spectacle

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Speaker 2: by James Phillips at War, Marlina Dietrich Remembered by David J. Riva,

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Speaker 2: The Sewing Circle, Hollywood's Greatest Secret Female Stars who Loved

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Speaker 2: Other Women by Axel Madden, The Girls When Sappho Goes

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Speaker 2: to Hollywood by Diana McLellan. And of course we have

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Speaker 2: our old favorites he history dot com and biography dot com.

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Speaker 2: I will say it uncomfortably good. Then let's begin. So

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Speaker 2: Marlena Dietrich was born, as most of us are, she

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Speaker 2: was born. Yeah, So she was born Marie Magdalene Dietrich

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Speaker 2: on the twenty seventh of December nineteen oh one in

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Speaker 2: the Lewis Strauss in Berlin. I will do accents, they

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Speaker 2: will not be pleasant. You're just gonna have to accept.

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Speaker 2: So she was born to Wilhelmina Elizabeth Josephine. And I

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Speaker 2: to say it more than once. Lewis Rich Otto Dietrich.

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Speaker 2: It's a very short shot, sharp sharp sharp short. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I'm getting worse. It's a sharp short name.

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Speaker 2: It's like Louis Rich otto di see. It's it's very

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Speaker 2: this is where we're at. So Louis he was a

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Speaker 2: She was my rich family, a well to do family.

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Speaker 2: They made their money on jewelery and clocks and Marlina

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Speaker 2: So her beloved father, Lewis louis one of those. He

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Speaker 2: them going. I should probably mention where the name Marlena

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Speaker 2: there's everywhere that Joan Crawford was also part of the

422
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 2: social social circle, No, the sewing circle. She was also

423
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: part of the sewing circle, so that's right, and they

424
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: end up like going on holiday together like Marlena Dietrich,

425
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Douglas Fairbanks Junior, like her husband Rudolph and Rudolph's mistress,

426
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: like just everybody all at once. But yeah, there's the

427
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: thing as well. In Hollywood at the time and across

428
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: America actually is there was a thing called a lavender marriage.

429
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: And a lavender marriage was that usually put together by studios,

430
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: you know, where if one person was like a lesbian

431
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: or a gay man, and they would marry them to

432
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: make them look like a heteronormative couple, even if even

433
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: if say, for example, both of them were by settual, right,

434
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: it would be like that because have you ever noticed

435
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: that if bisexual people like if a woman is bisexual,

436
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: you know, men often think that women are like pretending

437
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: to like other women, you know, for performative reasons for men,

438
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: or that they can be easily quote unquote turned, you know,

439
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and that gay men are going to be obsessed with them.

440
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: Like it's funny how the very concept of sexuality revolves

441
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: around men. And but I digress. So these lavender marriages

442
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: would happen. I'm not saying this was one. I'm just

443
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, they assume that both of these

444
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: people are going to be promiscuous and they're both gonna,

445
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, fuck men. But the point is that they

446
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: wanted it to look like this was a marriage, a

447
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: real march Jeniu marrige. But it's Hollywood, so how much

448
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: is real? So yeah, these uh, there's rumors that she

449
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: was having a wee thing. We don't Catford those rumors

450
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: she was having a thing with May West. You know,

451
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: just Hollywood's weird, That's all I'm saying. So, like the

452
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: whole thing with her Banks Junior is if she was

453
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: chatting to somebody that she was you know, interested in

454
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: always interested in her is she would let him listening

455
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: on the phone call and then let him go like

456
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: absolutely ape shit ranting about her suitors, which is I mean,

457
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: it's a level of like petty that I don't want

458
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: to aspire to. But also I appreciate her tenacity. But yes,

459
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: this is the point where she is box office poison

460
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: quote unquote are you know?

461
00:33:51,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: And she has some fans, right nineteen thirty nine, good

462
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: bunch of fans, and.

463
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: One of which is you know, the leader of the

464
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: third right, So not the kind of fans you want,

465
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: you know, I get it, I get it. I wouldn't

466
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: want anyone following me or being interested in me. I

467
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: don't want Nazis like in any capacity to be supportive

468
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: of me, like I don't. I don't want you, just

469
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: like I don't want conservatives or Republicans. I want decent

470
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: human beings who actually, you know, don't need explain to

471
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: them that you should care about other people. That basic

472
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: empathy is not virtue signaling, you know, not keen on

473
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: that in any capacity, not my thing, No, thank you byeye.

474
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's not doing me on the box office.

475
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: But you know that's right. The Nazi government, you know,

476
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: Nazi Germany. They contact her and they request that she

477
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: stars in a range of propaganda films, you know, to

478
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: show how amazing Germany is and the third rich and

479
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: everything that goes along with that. But like two years previously,

480
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: she had already applied for American citizenship and she was

481
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: like ready to renounce. And she says what she was doing,

482
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: she was renouncing her German citizenship because she was like,

483
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: I'm not fucking involved with this bullshit. I'm not my circus,

484
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: not my monkeys. No, thank you, adios Aidolf, like fuck off, no,

485
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 2: and very much a fuck this for a game of socials.

486
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: But when they request, when they contact her, when they

487
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: ask her to be in these propaganda movies, she simply

488
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: responds nine, just nine, like oh, we love you, You're

489
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: amazing when you to be in this movie? Want you

490
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: to promote her horrific fascist agenda? No, like I love it.

491
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 2: It's like the same, uh, the same feeling I get

492
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: about Princess Alice of Battenberg where she's just like letting

493
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: a cigarette and just being like no, like I love it,

494
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: like no, like I love it, Just putting the ash

495
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: out on the fucking soldiers like shoes, Like no, like

496
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: that's also terrifying. You've got gobbles and debt. Lar Be

497
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: being like come be in her movies, get to fuck me.

498
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: No oh, actually no, I'm correction correction already. No, it

499
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: wasn't nineteen thirty nine. It was nineteen thirty seven, so

500
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: it was like pre war. So like she was watching

501
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: what was happening in Germany and they're like, come and

502
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: support her homeland and she's like, no, no, she doesn't

503
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: want to be involved in that, and like straight away

504
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: it's actually after this straight away she's like, nope, citizenship,

505
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: thanks bye bye, and that's what she does. She doesn't

506
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: renounce her German citizenship citizenship until nineteen thirty nine, when

507
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: you know, the war technically starts and she's like definitely gone,

508
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: thanks by, but yeah, bold move and we love it.

509
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: So Marlena Dietrich she actually starts fundraising to get Jews

510
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: out of Germany. So she starts like raising money for

511
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: Jewish refugees and she ends up donating what was it

512
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: her entire salary from one of her films in nineteen

513
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: thirty seven, you know, like half a million dollars. I

514
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: think it is like towards this like fundraising, and when

515
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: World War two breaks out, like she like doubles down

516
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 2: on it, so like she'd gone back to Paramount, tried

517
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 2: a romantic comedy. Things did not go down well, Yes,

518
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: the movie was a Knight without Armor. So then when

519
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: obviously the war breaks out, World War two, is she

520
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: becomes one of the first like celebrities, you know, public

521
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: figures to start selling war bonds. And the biggest part

522
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: is is like she actually sells more war bonds than

523
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: any other like person, any other celebrity, any other She

524
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: sells the fucking most, because of course she does. Like

525
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: she even then starts doing like the USO sort of thing,

526
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 2: like the tours where she visits the troops, and so

527
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 2: she even goes like pretty close to the German front and.

528
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: She gets she gets contacted by the OSSes, so the

529
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 5: big of the British sort of secret service, and they

530
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 5: ask her to make a series of recordings in German,

531
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: the whole purpose of which is to demoralize German soldiers,

532
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 5: which I mean, I don't know how you can bring

533
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: down the.

534
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: Morale of Nazis, because you know, they're Nazis and pretty

535
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: shite human beings. And lack again empathy and consideration. But yes,

536
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: she's so she ends up doing these recordings, which is

537
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: fucking brilliant, like and and so like you'd think, you know,

538
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 2: she's doing the bonds, she's raising money for Jewish refugees.

539
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: She's ah, she's got these weird messages going on. She's

540
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: visiting trips near the front like, yeah, but j Ed

541
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Groover is convinced that's right. President of America is kin evinced. No,

542
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: he wasn't the President of America. That's a lie. He

543
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: was ahead of the FBI. Fuck me, I'm tired. I'm

544
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 2: so sorry. So he's the head of the FBI, and

545
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: he's like that bitch is a German spy, and he

546
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: ends up having her tracked and followed, which I feel

547
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: was not the best use of you know, those money

548
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: and manpower just feels like a waste really. So they

549
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: end up like tracking her and like stogging her and

550
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: like going through her mail and whatnot. And they don't find,

551
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: you know, any like conspiracy in any spying. What they

552
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: do find is delicious details and so many, so many lovers,

553
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: just an abundance of lovers, some might say. And so

554
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: during World War Two, as well, which is like so

555
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: fucking funny is that people assumed that she was easy,

556
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, because she was known to have all these lovers,

557
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: and they thought, you know, they think if you're bisexual,

558
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: you're clearly as slut, right, That's just how they do things.

559
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: And so ma'am would come up to her and they'd

560
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: be like trying to get it all, and she was like,

561
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: I'll sleep with you over Hitler's dead body. So i

562
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: will sleep with you over Hitler's dead body, Like yeah, yeah,

563
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: when he's dead, then i'll consider you. You absolute call kwombo.

564
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, she wasn't really into the whole fascist

565
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: Germany situation, unlike her sister, who was like running a cinema,

566
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: hosting things for Nazi trips and just generally supporting them.

567
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: And so when she tries to get to the States,

568
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: she expects Malena to like help her get there, and

569
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: she's like, no, I'm disowning you and her husband and

570
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: your son because you know, nazis not happening. I mean, well,

571
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: she kept them safe at first, and she vouched them

572
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: and she was like, they didn't do it, they were

573
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: just in a bad situation. And then over time she

574
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: was like, no, actually, their fucking assholes. I'm done with them,

575
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: which you know, I respect, I respect being like doing

576
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: it alive with people who allied with Nazis feels like

577
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: a good letmus test, you know, shitty family aside, Molina

578
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: gets awarded the Jons d'arneus from France and the US

579
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: Medal of Freedom for extraordinary record entertaining trips overseas during

580
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: the war. But like, she gets his award and that's

581
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: going great, but uh yeah, yeah, still not creating the

582
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: box office, so her professional life is not it's not

583
00:42:52,719 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: going well, but again, person not so bad. So at

584
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: this point, Marie's in boarding school. So she she gets

585
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: to school, which is nice. So her daughter's in school,

586
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: and she'll go vis her husband and she'll go visit well,

587
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: her husband and as mistress and Tamara, that's her name, Tamara,

588
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: and so she would go there and go to parties,

589
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: and she would just take these long trips and use

590
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: it as excuses to go sort of connect with, you know,

591
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: other celebrities and other well known people like honest fucking

592
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: came Away and things things are, you know, they're warming

593
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: up for her and she ends up having these long

594
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: love affairs. She's got free, she's got Mercedes de a Costa,

595
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: she's got Dolores Deriu and so on and so forth.

596
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, she's she's getting around, she's getting around. Basically,

597
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: there's you know, a rotating door. It's rotating, revolving. It's

598
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: a revolving door of lovers and they're just going through.

599
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: And one of our lovers, Jean Charpin, he is so

600
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: mad that she's like sleeping with other people. And she's like,

601
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: you knew this when you got in this with me,

602
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm married and you were here staying with me

603
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: in my house, and you're mad, I'm sleeping with someone else,

604
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: Like what feels like a double standard. And he would

605
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: respond to her actions with his fucking fists. He would

606
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of her, and clearly not wanting

607
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: to take things lying down, she decided to just nope

608
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: out of that situation. No, not dealing with that, which

609
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: again fair, but she did get like a wee bit

610
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: of revenge, which I am proud of as like, so

611
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: he'd gone back to France for reasons, and he left

612
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: like a bunch of really expensive paintings behind, and that

613
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: he was planning to come back and deal with and

614
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 2: she just fucking sells them all because of course she does,

615
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: which is, you know, the least she could do, considering

616
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 2: he beat the crab out of our absolute shit bag.

617
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 4: Oh.

618
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: Actually, here's one of my favorite stories about my Windy Trick.

619
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: Is like she'd gone out to like a bar, and

620
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: she was flirting with a serviceman at a bar, as

621
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: one does girls like a man in uniform. What can

622
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: I say? Girls like a girl in uniform with like

623
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: women in uniform, not girls. I don't want a girls,

624
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: get that's creepy. I want a woman in a will

625
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: cut suit sing or a man and a will cut suit,

626
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: or a man or a woman her gender non conforming

627
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: person and a cozy cardigan. Everyone that's keetting a cozy

628
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: cardigan anyway, like an owl. Oh okay, the medicine's kicking in.

629
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, Marlina is flirting with a serviceman and a bar,

630
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: and he is so taken with her that his wife

631
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 2: actually cites her as the reason for their divorce, even

632
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: though they didn't no more than like flirting a fucking bar.

633
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: But anyway, her film career is not doing great, and

634
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: so she ends up going back to the stage. So

635
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 2: from like the nineteen fifties all the way up to

636
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies, she's in you know, she's on the stage.

637
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: She's doing cabaret like performances, like she's in Paris, London,

638
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, Berlin, like she's she goes on the stage

639
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: tour in Europe like in like the sixties, early sixties,

640
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: and she ends up in Berlin, which is well, it's

641
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: still split, it's separated at this point. So she goes

642
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: to West Berlin and she gets booed to, like Marlena

643
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: go home and they're like totally pissed at her. And

644
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: there I think there's like two bomb threats for the

645
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: stage that she's on, and it's like she's like shaken

646
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: up by this obviously. But then when she goes to

647
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: East Berlin and she performs there, everyone's like yay Marlena.

648
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: So you know, swings and roundabouts. But yeah, she's out touring,

649
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 2: she's performing, she's singing, she's doing her stuff, and even

650
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: though she's doing all this, she's still doing a bunch

651
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: of other people. So at one point she's she's in

652
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: a relationship with You'll Brunner, you know from the King

653
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: and I You'll Brenner, who's yeah, the man who like

654
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: was involved in the Vietnam Baby situation like with the

655
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: Playboy and it's madness. It's wild anyway. So she's with

656
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 2: Todd and George Bernard Shaw and John Wayne and Kirk

657
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: Douglas and Frank Sinnatra like she is just getting into

658
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: everybody and like her and Riddolph are still buried at

659
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: this point, and like she is supporting them, like financially,

660
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 2: she buys them a ranch in California and it gets

661
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: It doesn't go well for Rudolf's mistress though, because she's

662
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: ill and she starts like declining like mentally, and she

663
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: gets agrophobia and she's like stops eating and speaking, and

664
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: she ends up getting committed to a mental institute, you know,

665
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: because they're like she needs to go here, and she

666
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: goes there and another inmate attacks her and kills her.

667
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: And like she had been with you know, we're all

668
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: super for like thirty five years. Like Maria saw her

669
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: as like another mother, and yeah, she passed away. It's

670
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: passed away. She was fucking killed. So like in the

671
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: sixties and the seventies, so like throughout that period, like

672
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: she starts using various techniques to mold her body. So

673
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,760
Speaker 2: she does like spanks. Before spanks, she has quote unquote

674
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 2: body sculpting undergarments, you know, shapewear, and so she's like

675
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: making the shape where and like wearing it. And she's

676
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: also doing non surgical facelips. It's tape. It's all taped,

677
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: so she like tapes her face back and then puts

678
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: a wig on and she like disguises it, and she

679
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: has this fucking brilliant quote. So she says, cattle grooming

680
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 2: may take twenty years off a woman's age, but you

681
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 2: can't a flight of stairs. So yeah, you might be

682
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: like conjuring and taping her face back and stable in

683
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: bits and the wig on, but yeah, yeah that those stairs,

684
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: they're still gonna be tough to climb, you know what

685
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean. So yeah, she does that, and then in

686
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five she gets diagnosed with cervical cancer and

687
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: this is just not not great for her, and so

688
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: she ends up taking like like she's set off medicating

689
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 2: with like boots and pain killers, and it gets to

690
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: the point where like this is just like really starts

691
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 2: taking a toll on her and then like things start

692
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: going wrong with her legs, like the circulation starts going

693
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: and she's having a lot of trouble with it. And

694
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three she ends up fracturing like her

695
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: left her left thigh and she has to get like

696
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: skin grafts and a bunch of other stuff so leg

697
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: will hume because it just wasn't And then in nineteen

698
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: seventy four she falls and breaks her leg, right leg,

699
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: so it's like left eye, right leg, and she ends

700
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: up like just not being able to like perform properly.

701
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: But like at some point during this as well, she

702
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: ends up in a movie with David Bowie. David Bowie

703
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,479
Speaker 2: Bowie BOI, I don't care she ends up in a movie.

704
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: I mean, of all the queer icons to smooth together

705
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: in a film, I mean it's not a great film,

706
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: but you should still watch it because I mean, i'd

707
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: like to say they sing. She kind of sings. She

708
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 2: does what she believes is singing again respect the trip,

709
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 2: Like God, the women had such good style. And yeah,

710
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: so she's she's breaking bets all over the place. I've

711
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: fucked it up again. She fractures like one leg, she

712
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: fractures the other leg, and then in seventy five she

713
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: breaks her thighbone and she's like, Okay, no more stage

714
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: for me. I'm done now, and she has to basically

715
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 2: like stop doing the whole stage performance because she's too

716
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 2: old to do it now. In seventy six, her husband

717
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: Rudolph dies, he passes away, and seventy eight that's when

718
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: she's in the justa Jiggalow movie with David Barrye and

719
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: like they're in the movie, like she's like the madam

720
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: of the brothel and he works for her. It's it's

721
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: a movie that exists. So after this, she basically becomes

722
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: like a real close herama and she just like goes

723
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: back to her little apartment in Paris where she only

724
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: has like family or servants, and she doesn't like go anywhere,

725
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: but she does spend a lot of time on the phone.

726
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: She has a monthly phone bill of like three thousand

727
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: quid because she's phoning everybody. So she's phoning world leaders

728
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: like Margaret Thatcher and ron o'reagan and this is the

729
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: eighties and she's just like calling all these people like

730
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: she's trying to save like a Babel's back theater and

731
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: so like she's happy to speak, but she doesn't want

732
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: to be filmed, which is fair enough. So she's like

733
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 2: chatting to the people and she's trying to like save

734
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: like this thing, or she's talking about the fall of

735
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: the Berlin Wall and you know it's it's being like

736
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: shared across like the BBC and like French radio and

737
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: all that jazz and like, allegedly, according to her grandson,

738
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: like the reason she had phone up these politicians was

739
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: to give out shit to them for being dis I

740
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 2: just love the idea of Malina Ddrich just being on

741
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: the phone to Margaret Thatcher being like listen here, beach.

742
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: Have you tried, you know, not being a cunt like perhaps,

743
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: but yeah, I love the idea of it. So at

744
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: one point she gets these calls from a doctor who

745
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: offers to like fly out and see her, and she's like,

746
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: don't speak to me, and she cuts them off. And

747
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: then a few weeks later she allows him to phone

748
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: her again and he's like, I'm spending ninety dollars an

749
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: hour on this therapist and she's like, why give money

750
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: to the therapist when you can give money to me,

751
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: And so like he sends her a check and she

752
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: like sings to him on the phone every night, like

753
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: that's commitment. So Marlena she becomes bedridden and just can't

754
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 2: go anywhere, and eventually her kidneys give up, and on

755
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: the sixth of May nineteen ninety, to the age of ninety,

756
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: she passes away from kidney failure in her home in Paris.

757
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 2: Her funeral was a requiem mass held in Paris, which

758
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 2: had like fifteen hundred like mourners with like like dignitaries

759
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: and whatnot from Germany, France, England, Spain. The French president

760
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: is there and he's got like the Legion of Honor

761
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: and everything for her. And yeah, she has her funeral

762
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: in France, and she is buried in Berlin, fairly close

763
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: to her mother actually, and then like the majority of

764
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: hesity is sold to the Steve Tungue Deutsche Kinematic so

765
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: becomes like the main part of the exhibition of the

766
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: film Filmdhouse in Berlin. And so the family then also

767
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: sell like a bunch of goodness, just papers and correspondents

768
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: and letters and you know, costumes and props and all

769
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: the stuff that she'd taken from like the stage and

770
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: movies and all personal effects get sold to like auction,

771
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: so you know they're out there. You could buy them

772
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: if you had enough money, if you wanted to. So yeah,

773
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: thus ends the story of Malina Dietrich, who is yeah,

774
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: very polarizing figure in many scenarios. And if you liked

775
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 2: my retailing of the story, even with my gravelly sexe voice,

776
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: please feel free to rate in review five stars and

777
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: appreciate it. But of course it is recommendation time, so

778
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna recommend for watching just to jeg A Lottle,

779
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 2: go watch the movie. You should love your best life.

780
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: Treat yourself. For reading. I'm gonna suggest it's not a

781
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: bloody trend. Just book about adult ADHD. If you run

782
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: out it with ADHD, which you may be because you're

783
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: listening to me, might want to go read it. And

784
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 2: for listening. For listening David Bowie, go listen to some

785
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: David boy Stan maam Ra single the Sky You deserve it.

786
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 2: Go to it and with that I shall bite you.

787
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: Good night, adieus allvo of them, my friends, Bye bye,