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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Friday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a stacked

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Speaker 1: show for you. Well, and I in the state of

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Speaker 1: Tennessee today, so I'm enjoying all the Tennesseeans that I

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Speaker 1: have seen. The weather a little dodgy, but fun to

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Speaker 1: be here. Nonetheless, we have a whole lot to get you.

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Speaker 1: I know, I was out yesterday on my way to

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Speaker 1: this lovely state. So we might return to a little

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Speaker 1: of the continuing outrage for the speech given by mister Butker,

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Speaker 1: the kicker who I have since looked into this Clay

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Speaker 1: he is, did you know, not only a fantastic kicker

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Speaker 1: and graduation speaker, but played first tuba in the orchestra.

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Speaker 1: Because it wasn't the flute.

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Speaker 2: You wouln't have been able to deliver that speech if

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Speaker 2: he had been a flute player back in the day.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, man, tuba, that's right. You know,

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Speaker 1: tuba as an instrument is not usually one that you

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Speaker 1: would associate with being a multimillionaire athlete. But you never know, Clay,

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Speaker 1: You never know.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what chaos has happened in the world

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Speaker 2: of sports? I bet ninety percent of our audience knows

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Speaker 2: this right now.

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Speaker 1: Well about the kicker and the speech no butt kerr.

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Speaker 2: That story, Yes, that story is out there. The city

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Speaker 2: of Louisville arrested the number one golfer in the world

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Speaker 2: driving into the PGA Championship this morning, Scotty Scheffler, and

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Speaker 2: the entire universe has come undone because he anyway that

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Speaker 2: I've been following that this morning, and I just it's

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Speaker 2: as if we're in twenty twenty four, where the world

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Speaker 2: is trying to come up with the craziest stories that

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Speaker 2: could possibly headline everything. I mean, I never would have

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Speaker 2: believed the Kansas City Chiefs kicker would take over the

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Speaker 2: entire media story cycle for about forty eight hours. And

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Speaker 2: now the number one golfer in the world just got

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Speaker 2: arrested trying to drive in to go play golf. I

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Speaker 2: mean that you can't even come up with some of

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Speaker 2: these Matt climbs.

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Speaker 1: He got arrested allegedly for running over a police officer

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Speaker 1: and dragging him with his.

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Speaker 2: Well, the video of the video of the running over

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Speaker 2: and dragging would suggest that it is not actually anything

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Speaker 2: like that, because this guy was in a yellow like

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Speaker 2: a jacket, and he didn't know who he was and

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Speaker 2: he just started hanging on to the side of the car.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, and the fact that this could even happen,

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Speaker 2: I bet it's gonna the fact that golfers drive themselves

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Speaker 2: to golf tournaments maybe coming to a close soon because

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Speaker 2: I imagine the PGA doesn't want this to happen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, theoretically he's facing five to ten years in prison.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, that's what they're saying. Teed off and birdied

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Speaker 2: the first hole. So so he's been the process. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's so.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So the golfer who is out there

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Speaker 1: right now doing great job on the course, a little

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Speaker 1: bit more problematic out on the roadway, and we have

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Speaker 1: you know what, Actually, we'll go to the Michael Cohen

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Speaker 1: stuff a little bit later. The short version of the

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Speaker 1: very overcovered and a hype story I think from a

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Speaker 1: lot of the media is Michael Cohen is a huge

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Speaker 1: liar and everybody knows it. And it was a bad

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Speaker 1: day for the forces of law fair against Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: in New York City. So we shall discuss some of that.

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Speaker 1: But I actually want to start with this because I

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Speaker 1: of our attention now, but down the line the issue

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Speaker 1: of how we handle crime. Keep in mind, in New

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Speaker 1: York City they have Donald Trump up for thirty four

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Speaker 1: felony counts, and in other cities all across the country,

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Speaker 1: as we know, they try to do their very best

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Speaker 1: some pretty extensive machinations at the level of the prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: They don't really want to enforce laws on issues, particularly

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Speaker 1: of violent crime, with the same kind of clarity and honesty.

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Speaker 1: while a lot of these cities, and so you have

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Speaker 1: crime rising. We talk about it here on the show

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Speaker 1: all the time. And we remember during the BLM riots,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen as a movie where they make

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Speaker 1: all crime legal. There were riots across the country, very

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Speaker 1: few serious prosecutions of BLM rioters. There were assaults on officers,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things happening. Well. Texas Governor Greg Abbott

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Speaker 1: Daniel Perry was effectively his car was sort of stopped

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Speaker 1: is a marine, as we know. But Daniel Perry drew

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Speaker 1: while blocking traffic, which is infraction of the law. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it's a lethal force matter, but by surrounding

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Speaker 1: confrontation like this. In some way, Austin is very liberal.

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Speaker 1: Austin prosecuted this guy, who's going to send him a

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Speaker 1: and issuing a full pardon is a big deal, and

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Speaker 1: I think it sends a message about the direction of

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Speaker 2: I think it also speaks to the reality that we

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Speaker 2: have a completely two tiered justice system that's currently in

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Speaker 2: play in the United States, and if you are in

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Speaker 2: a red state, you have protections that you frankly don't

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Speaker 2: have in blue states and certainly don't have in blue cities.

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Speaker 2: And to me, it ties in with the prosecution that

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Speaker 2: a red state, And frankly, I don't think there's a

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Speaker 2: look at what Alvin Bragg is doing in New York City,

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Speaker 2: where it's trying to put a former marine in prison

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Speaker 2: on how he calculates the identity politics behind any particular

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Speaker 2: if you're out there right now and you have the

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Speaker 2: means to leave blue cities and blue states, I don't

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Speaker 2: know why you would stay. I mean, again, you have

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Speaker 2: A lot of people say, oh, I'm staying for a job,

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Speaker 2: understand all of those aspects, but a lot of you

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Speaker 2: don't have those restraints. I don't know why you would stay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've made that choice yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved from a blue state to a red state,

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Speaker 1: and having looked back, and I would just say in

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Speaker 1: a state that keeps getting redder as well. So it's

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Speaker 1: fun to be a part of that conservative revolution in

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Speaker 1: the Free State of Florida. But by the way, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Perry was an Army sergeant, so he was a military veteran.

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Speaker 1: The man that he killed, I believe was also a

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Speaker 2: This ties in with the Kyle Rittenhouse story. Buck what

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Speaker 2: percentage of people thought Kyle Rittenhouse killed the black guy

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Speaker 2: a lot? Which was a huge percentage of that story.

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Speaker 1: And and there are a lot of people who really

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Speaker 1: the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. But I would just note Daniel

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Speaker 1: Perry was serving He's out now thanks to Governor Abbot

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Speaker 1: It was unanimous for them, but it's still a This

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Speaker 1: and I think he deserves credit for that. Texas has

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Speaker 1: a stand your ground law. If somebody, you know, waves

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Speaker 1: even comes to whether you can defend yourself art is

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Speaker 1: self defense legal in blue states? Not really, And that

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Speaker 1: you have. So when a statist, authoritarian society decides, sorry,

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Speaker 1: People need to see that for what it is and

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Speaker 1: need to push back against it. And that then brings

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Speaker 1: in a choke hold. He didn't mean to kill him,

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Speaker 1: But he died and he faces murder charges. Clay. It's

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Speaker 1: coming up October eighth, right a month before the election.

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Speaker 1: That trial will be happening as people are thinking about

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Speaker 1: which party represents truth and justice and the right to

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Speaker 1: self defense. You're also, I think seeing that story in

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Speaker 1: Texas in the context of a lot of people recognizing

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Speaker 1: the overreaction that occurred in the wake of George Floyd,

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Speaker 5: But my point is that what a campaign would do

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Speaker 2: So what happens now andy this case? Do you think

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a high likelihood that more than

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Speaker 5: We've talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: I'm not as down on New York juries as a

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Speaker 1: Of Oh, it was bad, it was a bad day

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is fascinating to me because you're a super

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Speaker 4: I thought that I've alway thought that Trump had a

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Speaker 4: I said before the trial, I think he'd be convicted,

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Speaker 4: could hear a pin drop in the courtroom because everybody

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Speaker 4: the judge, it was a big deal to the judge

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Speaker 4: that everybody understood that the oath was very important and

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Speaker 4: when the witness got the stand.

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Speaker 5: It was serious business.

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Speaker 4: Now, you wouldn't see anything in the transcript that says

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Speaker 4: like the judge favored the government's case.

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Speaker 5: Because I don't think he did.

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Speaker 4: He did what his job was, but he conveyed to

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Speaker 4: the jury that what we were doing was very serious,

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Speaker 4: and he acted as if the case was being proved

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Speaker 4: in a serious way and it wasn't a three ring circus.

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Speaker 4: That's a powerful message to a jury.

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Speaker 5: And they take their cues from the judge.

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Speaker 4: So a lot will depend on like how do they

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Speaker 4: feel about merch On and how do they think do

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Speaker 4: they think he's been fair?

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Speaker 5: And do they think.

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Speaker 4: What do they think of how he's interacted with the prosecutors.

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Speaker 5: I think that's really important.

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Speaker 1: Andy. Let's assume that it is a hung jury. There's

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Speaker 1: one hold out. Clearly that's a disaster for the brag

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Speaker 1: prosecution here. What do you see as the likely second

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Speaker 1: order effects of that in terms of the other cases?

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Speaker 1: What Bragg's office would do then? Would they move to

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Speaker 1: even try to do another trial? You think would this

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Speaker 1: affect the way that the other legal cases would would be?

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Speaker 1: You know, basically, do you think somebody might drop another

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Speaker 1: one if this one fails? How do you see it

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Speaker 1: playing out?

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Speaker 4: I don't think this case would ever be tried again

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Speaker 4: if it ends up in a hung jury. And I

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Speaker 4: really don't think.

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Speaker 5: That it's just going to be one. I think it'll

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Speaker 5: be more than one. Sure we'll see, but I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know that the collapse of this case necessarily is

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Speaker 4: the thing that dismantles the rest of the lawfair campaign.

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Speaker 5: But where the law fair campaign.

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Speaker 4: Goes regardless of how this case comes out, I think

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Speaker 4: depends on the willingness of Jack Smith to narrow the

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Speaker 4: J six case down to the stuff that Trump's lawyer

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Speaker 4: in the oral argument to the Supreme Court on the

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Speaker 4: immunity issue. If he's willing to narrow the case down

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Speaker 4: to the stuff that John Salard, Trump's lawyer, conceded was

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Speaker 4: private behavior that didn't have it wasn't amenable of an

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Speaker 4: immunity claim, and I think he could put the pedal

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Speaker 4: to the medal and chuck In. Judge chuck In would

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Speaker 4: help him and he could get that case to trial.

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Speaker 4: But if he's insistent on doing the whole case as

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Speaker 4: it's indicted, I really think what's going to happen in

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Speaker 4: that case is the Supreme Court is going to send

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Speaker 4: it back to chuck In with instructions to sort out

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Speaker 4: what's private behavior and what's official conduct.

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Speaker 5: And if she does.

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Speaker 4: If they do that, then it's still a live immunity issue,

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Speaker 4: which means, however she resolves it, Trump can appeal it

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Speaker 4: to the DC Circuit and it may go right back

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Speaker 4: to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: So I don't see if.

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Speaker 4: Smith is not willing to narrow the case down and

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Speaker 4: say the chuck in.

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Speaker 5: You know, look, I don't want you.

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Speaker 4: To have to go through this whole rigmarole of sorting

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Speaker 4: out the private from the official.

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Speaker 5: Let's just go to trial and with private.

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Speaker 4: If he's willing to say that, then I think they

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Speaker 4: can get that case to trial.

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Speaker 5: If he's not, then forget it.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, Andy, and we appreciate all of this,

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Speaker 2: because man, this is crazy. If there is a conviction,

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Speaker 2: let's say that the twelve jurors don't, as we see it,

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Speaker 2: apply the law correctly and analyze the facts correctly. What

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Speaker 2: do you think the chances are that this case would

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Speaker 2: be overturned on appeal.

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Speaker 4: I think the chances are very high because even before

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Speaker 4: you got to trial, there's all kinds of legal issues here, like,

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Speaker 4: for example, I think this case violates the New York Constitution.

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Speaker 4: I think the statute violates the New York Constitution. They

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Speaker 4: have major federal constitutional claims, including whether the indictment is adequate.

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Speaker 5: So before you even get to.

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Speaker 4: The trial, and you get to things like allowing the

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Speaker 4: Stormy Daniels testimony and what I think are going to

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Speaker 4: be pretty critical errors by the judge.

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Speaker 5: Because when you said Clay, like, the.

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Speaker 4: Jury doesn't find the case legally, like we've just discussed it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to get the case legally

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Speaker 4: the way we just discussed it. I think march On's

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Speaker 4: going to give them a different idea of what the

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Speaker 4: law is.

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Speaker 5: So I think there'll be a lot of errors.

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Speaker 4: The problem is, it's like Harvey Weinstein, what was it,

528
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Speaker 4: three to four years after the trial they threw out

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Speaker 4: the conviction.

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Speaker 5: That's not going to happen fast.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing I would point out, Andy and

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we've even discussed this. We got

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Speaker 2: to go to break, but there are two lawyers on

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Speaker 2: this jury of twelve, which is kind of unheard of.

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Speaker 2: So how exactly do they drive the jury? What do

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Speaker 2: they think of this case? They're not exactly legal neophytes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it's impossible Clay to say categorically

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Speaker 4: this is how a lawyer would affect it. Like, let's

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Speaker 4: say you and I are pretty good lawyers. Right, Let's

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Speaker 4: say from my perspective, let's say this was a case

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Speaker 4: about a real estate clan.

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Speaker 5: You know the fact the.

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Speaker 4: Legal degree wouldn't be very helpful.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'd be that is anybody else.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Andy, I can tell you this from friends

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Speaker 1: of mine who have gone through this in recent years,

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Speaker 1: the law schools are churning out lunatic Marxists at an

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Speaker 1: unprecedented rate. So having a lawyer on the jury, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure that. Yeah, I mean, I can't even begin

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Speaker 1: to get into that right now, Andy McCarthy, everybody, National Review,

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Speaker 1: Fox News, Andy, we're going to have you back. We'll

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Speaker 1: see how your prediction goes.

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Speaker 5: On the season or on the trial.

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Speaker 4: Both.

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Speaker 5: It was bothering about the season.

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Speaker 4: I was ready to say Clay that, like Alvin Bregg says,

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Speaker 4: it's a long season.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, the Mets are The Mets are

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Speaker 2: not covering themselves in glory right now. I hope you're

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Speaker 2: right though about the legal predictions. That would be an

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Speaker 2: earth shattering result. I'd love to see the MSNBC and

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Speaker 2: see it in reactions. If they can't get a conviction,

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Speaker 2: well they.

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Speaker 5: Want an investigation of the jury, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we talked about that real quick, Andy. Will

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Speaker 1: the jury's identities be public after this? No matter what

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Speaker 1: the judge says, you think, will someone docks.

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Speaker 4: Them the minute they decide to go public, they'll be public.

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Speaker 4: I think that you know, he's hoping that they'll decide

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Speaker 4: the case by Thursday so that they can line up

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Speaker 4: their weekend interviews.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll see all right, Thanks so much, Andy.

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Speaker 2: Some breaking news that probably is going to turn into

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Speaker 2: a huge story. Not politics related, but we should mention it.

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Speaker 2: There is a video that CNN has obtained of the

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Speaker 2: music mogul Ditty beating the crap out of his then girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: It appears in what they say is the Intercontinental Hotel

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, punching her in the face, kicking her

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Speaker 2: when she's on the grounds.

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Speaker 1: Pretty awful. You watched the video.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this thing is uh is Frankly, I mean it,

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Speaker 2: it's beyond the shadow of a doubt, criminal assault and

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Speaker 2: domestic violence. I don't know why it took eight years

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Speaker 2: for this story to come out, but it's going to

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Speaker 2: be a really big story. I've stayed and then many

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Speaker 2: of you out there listening right now in the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles area and beyond the Intercontinental Hotel where this happened

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Speaker 2: overlooks the Fox Lot. I have spent months of my

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Speaker 2: life staying there. I don't know how this video would

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Speaker 2: not have come out before now eight years ago, it's now, well,

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Speaker 2: you do know.

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Speaker 1: It's just the answer is that people didn't want to

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Speaker 1: release it, right, I mean, you know you're saying if

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Speaker 1: this had normally have if some guy just did this

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Speaker 1: and security was aware of it, there would have been

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Speaker 1: police called. The reading didn't. Any reason it didn't happen

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Speaker 1: was because this is Sean Combs, who is a very rich,

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Speaker 1: very influential music and fashion mogul. And let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: and some people, unfortunately somewhat tragically consider him to be

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Speaker 1: a cultural icon of sorts, or at least they used to.

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Speaker 1: But I have to wonder is this enough given all

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Speaker 1: the other allegations as well, and there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of allegations against this guy out there, does he get canceled,

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Speaker 1: does he get treated differently? Or is this just somehow

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Speaker 1: largely ignored by those in Hollywood and elsewhere who are

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Speaker 1: very music industry people who are very much wanting to

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Speaker 1: be on Ditty's good side. I'm not sure that mister

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Speaker 1: Combs is necessarily going to face justice in any sense.

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Speaker 2: I'll also point out we've spent some time this week

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Speaker 2: talking about the Harrison Butker controversy.

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Speaker 1: You and I talked about it yesterday during our photo shoot.

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Speaker 2: It will be interesting to see whether Ditty on video

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Speaker 2: actually beating the crap out of a woman gets as

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Speaker 2: much attention as Harrison Butker praising stay at home moms.

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Speaker 1: Never mind attention outrage, It will not get as much outrage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: our culture right now and our media and news ecosystem

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Speaker 1: is far more angry at what Buttker said, then they

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Speaker 1: will be at what Diddy did here on video. You

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Speaker 1: can take it to the bank. I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: It is a certainty that whole bunch of major news

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Speaker 1: organizations will treat this with far less venomous rage than

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Speaker 1: they did Butcker saying, Hey, for a lot of women,

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Speaker 1: being a mom is actually the greatest vocation you could

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Speaker 1: have and the greatest thing you can do in your life,

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Speaker 1: and maybe build a family and have kids. That is blasphemy.

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Speaker 1: Telling women that they're not necessarily going to be happy

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Speaker 1: if they forego family so that they can make VP

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Speaker 1: in their forties, that is a crime against humanity, according

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Speaker 1: to the Coastal Democrat Left and some other places too.

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Speaker 1: Whereas what did he did here? And it is vicious?

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Speaker 1: Yes it is on camera. There is no question about

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Speaker 1: what went on here when you watch the video, but

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Speaker 1: you know they'll make excuses. There'll be people who make

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Speaker 1: excuses for this.

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Speaker 2: And I do think it's important because this is one

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Speaker 2: of the biggest I would say signs of cultural rot

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Speaker 2: that has been brought on by social media is we

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Speaker 2: now often treat words as more significant violations of cultural

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Speaker 2: norms than actual violent acts. In other words, Harrison Bucker,

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Speaker 2: if he had punched a woman, would have gotten one

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Speaker 2: one hundredth of the media attention, maybe one one thousandth

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Speaker 2: of the media attention. As for saying, hey, being a

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Speaker 2: homemaker and a mom is an incredible almost crying while

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Speaker 2: he's praising his wife. That's where we are as a society.

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Speaker 2: And I think, frankly, it's one reason why the cancel

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Speaker 2: culture rot has so taken control. We cancel people for thoughts,

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Speaker 2: not for actual crime or.

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Speaker 1: In the case of Butker, I would add to this,

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Speaker 1: I know you spent a lot of time on it yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I was seeing some of the Twitter ex chatter

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Speaker 1: about how how much people loved your breakdown of a

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Speaker 1: clay So I don't want to be labor it. And

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Speaker 1: there's other news we're going to get into here in

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Speaker 1: the third hour, I would just say one, I thought

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Speaker 1: the speech was incredibly powerful, And the reason it was

676
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Speaker 1: both powerful and so hated is because it is true

677
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Speaker 1: when you say things that people don't like, that they

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Speaker 1: don't agree with, that they know are false, you know,

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Speaker 1: unless you're defaming them personally or something. Right. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if someone gets up there and says, you know, you know,

681
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Speaker 1: it's really gonna make you happy in life, chasing money,

682
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Speaker 1: do everything you can to chase money, You're gonna be like, well,

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Speaker 1: that guy's an idiot, because that's not true. It's not

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Speaker 1: going to make you happy. Right. But if somebody gets

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Speaker 1: up there and says uh, specific specifically to women, but

686
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Speaker 1: it's true for men as well, foregoing you know, or

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00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: I should say, deprioritizing marriage and family and faith is

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Speaker 1: for most people. And this is the people also lose

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Speaker 1: all context. This is where you get people say, well,

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Speaker 1: I did this and that worked out for me. Everyone

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Speaker 1: is allowed their individual choice for their path in life.

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Speaker 1: It's a question of and what he was talking about

693
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Speaker 1: is what in general as a philosophy, as an approach,

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Speaker 1: is going to engender the most happiness, the most stability,

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Speaker 1: the most, you know, productivity in all senses, right. And

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Speaker 1: the reason people get so upset when they hear this,

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Speaker 1: who disagree with them, is because at some level they

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Speaker 1: know it's true. And especially people who have made life

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Speaker 1: choices that they cannot undo, they hear this and they

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Speaker 1: don't want to believe that it was a choice they

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Speaker 1: made that has led them to be unhappy. They want

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Speaker 1: to believe that it's the patriarchy or Donald Trump or whatever.

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00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: There's always some excuse and then the constant refueling of

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Speaker 1: the delusion with the pop culture stuff about how you

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Speaker 1: do you you know, girl power? Yeah, be a boss

706
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Speaker 1: like it's awesome sometimes sometimes generally not. And anyway, but

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Speaker 1: your point about Ditty Versus or Sean Combs and whatever

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Speaker 1: his name is, he's on. I mean, it's been very

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Speaker 1: apparent that he's a very bad person for a long time.

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Speaker 1: But people, you know, I'm sure Anna Winter and all

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Speaker 1: the rest have been kissing up to this guy for

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Speaker 1: the last thirty years without any pause, and they will

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Speaker 1: try to continue to do so if they can get

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Speaker 1: away with it.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised shifting gears to what we talked about

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Speaker 2: the top of the hour, Were you surprised with how

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Speaker 2: confident Andy McCarthy is that we're gonna get a hung

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Speaker 2: jury here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was, I was. I was surprised. I like

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Speaker 1: where his head is at. I just can't emotion I

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Speaker 1: just can't, like psychologically get there because there's just so

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Speaker 1: much there's so much darkness that you face when you

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Speaker 1: look into what's being done to Donald Trump. I feel

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Speaker 1: this way if it were another Republican running too, I

725
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Speaker 1: want to be very clear about that. Did some of you,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna say no. If they did this to Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: I would be going to the mat in defensive Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you're.

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Speaker 2: Willing to stand on principle, not the person. That's important.

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Speaker 1: If and honestly, if they were doing this to you know,

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Speaker 1: the same set of facts and circumstance, but they were

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Speaker 1: doing this to a Democrat, I would be telling our

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Speaker 1: our side. First of all, our side doesn't have the stones.

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Speaker 1: You know, we never we we're always like, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we need to police each other, and let's not become

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Speaker 1: the monster, to fight the monster and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Our side wouldn't do it, but if we were, I'd

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Speaker 1: be saying, this is not how we do business. I

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Speaker 1: got yelled at by a lot of people once because

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Speaker 1: there was I forget even what it was. There was

741
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Speaker 1: a conservative moment of anger over something and people blocked

742
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Speaker 1: a bridge and I was like, we don't do that, guys,

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Speaker 1: we don't. We don't do the blocking the bridge thing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's for left wing lunatics. That's not how we roll.

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Speaker 1: And people said, you know, some people said you gotta

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Speaker 1: have you got to have some sense of principle or else,

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Speaker 1: what are you even doing? What are you fighting for?

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine if a New York City jury refuses

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Speaker 2: to convict Trump on this case, what the immediate reaction

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Speaker 2: on I will tell you to beat MSNBC that night.

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Speaker 1: I will do. For sure. We should definitely make sure

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Speaker 1: you text and remind me that when that verdict comes down.

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Hate watching MSNBC when something great happens for Trump is

754
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: honestly one of the most joyful experiences you'll ever have

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Speaker 1: of TV watching. But I think Clay I would go

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Speaker 1: so far as to say that if it is truly

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Speaker 1: a hung jury, I think they worry very much about

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Speaker 1: Biden's or they worry even more about Biden's viability. I

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00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: don't know. Then if it becomes Kamala takes over. I've

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00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: always said that's possible, but the narrative that this creates

761
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: becomes inescapable of. They really are trying to They're already

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Speaker 1: rigging the election, and it will look like Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is beating their rig job and on path to win reelection.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a thought as we go to

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Speaker 1: break here the reason why Biden wants June and September

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Speaker 1: as the trial dates. He's trying to early September. He's

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Speaker 1: trying to avoid there being a conflict if they try

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Speaker 1: to rush through court proceedings. Because if Trump's saying, you've

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Speaker 1: got me in court all day, how am I supposed

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Speaker 1: to be preparing for an actual case? You heard? It

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Speaker 1: is impossible two months for the erase. It is possible

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Speaker 1: that that j six case happens. It is possible that

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Speaker 1: they get it started. It is not likely. I would

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Speaker 1: give it probably one in five odds or something or

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Speaker 1: five to or five to one. Yes, there we go.

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Speaker 3: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton chuck up a win for

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Speaker 3: Team Reality.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to you about a couple things.

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Speaker 1: One is quite a flurry of insults on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 1: flying all over the place, a bit of squabbling going

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Speaker 1: on between various members of our esteemed legislative body. We

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Speaker 1: will bring you that audio. It was I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about we're at the level of making ugly jokes basically,

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Speaker 1: and you know you're ugly or you're you know this

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Speaker 1: and that. I mean it was real grade school childish

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And it was flying. It was flying.

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Speaker 1: We'll get you can just hear some of that. I

815
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Speaker 1: don't know what is going on over there, but we'll

816
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Speaker 1: bring it to you because it is. These These are

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Speaker 1: our elected representatives, everybody. We are paying their salaries, and

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Speaker 1: this is what's going on down there. But first up,

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Speaker 1: I thought we should we should dive into this. As

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Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden, if he does not do very

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Speaker 1: very well. Let's put this simply and plainly. If he

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Speaker 1: does not do very well with the black community in

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Speaker 1: this election, he loses, and by very well, ninety percent

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Speaker 1: and above support from the black community. And this is

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Speaker 1: in part why Biden. I think he was just at

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Speaker 1: what was he He's at a meeting. He came out today, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's at the NAACP today and came out and said

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Speaker 1: he's a lifetime member. Let's let's just hear Biden pandering

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Speaker 1: as per usual. Ope, maybe not so put that aside

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Speaker 1: for a second. We'll skip Biden, because yes, he just

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Speaker 1: was talking about how he is such a big member

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Speaker 1: of the NAACPR has a longtime member of the NAACP. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: over at CNN, they're a little concerned because President Trump

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Speaker 1: is doing better at this point then certainly they expected

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Speaker 1: he would with members of the black community. This has

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Speaker 1: cut Ford. Do we have this one?

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Speaker 6: Look at this number for Donald Trump, twenty two percent.

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Speaker 6: Where was Donald Trump at this point four years ago?

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Speaker 6: In the pulse he was just.

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Speaker 1: Nine percent of the vote.

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Speaker 6: So he's seen more than a doubling in his support

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Speaker 6: among African Americans. This margin, which was in the seventies

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Speaker 6: just four years ago. Look at where it is now,

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Speaker 6: sixty nine minus twenty two. That puts it in the forties.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, gracious. If this held through the general election,

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Speaker 1: this would.

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Speaker 7: Be by far the best performance for Republican candidate among

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Speaker 7: black voters in a generation, two generations, probably since nineteen

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Speaker 7: sixty and Richard Nixon against John F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy.

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Speaker 5: That's how long.

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Speaker 1: We're really talking about.

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Speaker 6: When we're looking at this margin here, this could be

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Speaker 6: a truly historic margin.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a troubling sign for the Biden campaign. Okay, Clay,

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Speaker 1: let me start with this. I think it is way

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Speaker 1: too early to celebrate on these numbers. And as we've

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Speaker 1: always said, it'd be great. You know, in a perfect world,

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Speaker 1: the Republicans would get ninety percent of the black or

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the black vote. We don't live

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Speaker 1: in a perfect world, so I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: necessarily going to translate to election day in a way

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Speaker 1: that would be meaningful. But but the numbers right now

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Speaker 1: say that it does. So I can't have it both

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Speaker 1: ways right right now, and that's why CNN's freaking out

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Speaker 1: right now. The numbers do indicate that it would be

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Speaker 1: enough to sway the election. Swing the election just the

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Speaker 1: black communities vote for Donald Trump. And and so there

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Speaker 1: is the possibility here that the president that they have

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Speaker 1: called a white supremacist and a racist, and that Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden claims, as you point out regularly, that he had

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Speaker 1: to run because of Charlottesville and the white supremacist marched there,

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump saying but which he did not say

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Speaker 1: that there were good white supremacists, but put that aside.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden lied about that. We all know that there's

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Speaker 1: the possibility that black community maybe the deciding vote theoretically

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Speaker 1: that puts Joe Biden out of office and Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: into office, because if twenty percent of them go for Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's all over. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And not only does it change potentially the outcome of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, it destroys the entire identity politics coalition

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Speaker 2: of the Democrat Party. And we've talked about the clear

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Speaker 2: conflict that exists right now between Jewish voters and Arab

884
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Speaker 2: voters on the issue of Israel and whether or not,

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Speaker 2: for instance, Israel at the latest can go into Rafa.

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Speaker 2: I would mention that they have found three dead bodies

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Speaker 2: of hostages in the last twenty four hours in the

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Speaker 2: tunnels of Gaza, including one of the women that they

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Speaker 2: kidnapped and raped at that Rave festival. Her image went viral.

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Speaker 2: She has now been found dead. Israel has still not

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Speaker 2: gotten back around one hundred that we know of hostages,

892
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Speaker 2: many of whom are probably dead, unfortunately, including five Americans.

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Speaker 2: But put that aside. So you have Israel and Jewish

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Speaker 2: and Arab voters going head to head in the United

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Speaker 2: States who tended to be a part of the Biden coalition.

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Speaker 2: You've had now seven eight years of the media saying

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Speaker 2: Trump is an awful racist, and right now Trump is

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Speaker 2: poised to do better than any Republican with the black vote,

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Speaker 2: based on these CNN numbers and based on what we

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Speaker 2: just shared with you that audio, than any Republican candidate

901
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Speaker 2: since Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty, before the Civil Rights

902
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Speaker 2: movement even began. And Bucket's not just black voters. There

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Speaker 2: are polls out there showing Trump leading with Hispanic voters

904
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Speaker 2: or at least very close, and Asian voters are moving

905
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Speaker 2: in Trump's direction too. The Identity Politics coalition is on

906
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Speaker 2: the verge of taking a knockout punch.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say a knockout punch. I would say it's

908
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Speaker 1: taken some hits to the face. It's pretty durable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you even get an eighty twenty vote of the

910
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Speaker 1: back from the Black community for Biden and Trump, you

911
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Speaker 1: still have a huge supermajority of Black voters who are

912
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Speaker 1: who are still Democrats, but it absolutely changes the dynamics

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Speaker 1: of how they could put that coalition to get the.

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Speaker 2: Calculus doesn't work eighty even though it's still a big favor.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying you'd have to now you'd be looking

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Speaker 1: at a Democrat party that would have to start looking

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Speaker 1: at winning back working class white voters or you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, middle middle to lower middle income white voters

919
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Speaker 1: would be where the votes could be made up. That's

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Speaker 1: what Donald Trump did in twenty sixteen. That's how he

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Speaker 1: expanded the vote where he needed to and delivered that

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Speaker 1: that victory. But there's another part of this, of course

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Speaker 1: as well, right, and that is who is not only

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Speaker 1: is it a problem of Biden, who is the national

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Speaker 1: level black Democrat politician who really has has connection to

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Speaker 1: and and extremely high levels of support. I think that

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Speaker 1: members of Congress, you can but you know, there's no

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Speaker 1: one who has the same the same you know, stature

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Speaker 1: numbers and and kind of support that Barack Obama did

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Speaker 1: among the you know, among the black community and the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party. Right now, Kamala Harris Michelle Obama is the answer.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna jump out a window right now,

933
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna jump out a window. Kamala Harris does not

934
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Speaker 1: have it. Okay, she doesn't have it. You know, look

935
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Speaker 1: at some of the other prominent level black Democrat politicians.

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Speaker 1: Corey Booker does not have that same.

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Speaker 2: Level of support, and in the Kim Jeffries, there's a

938
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Speaker 2: lot of high ranking black politicians that don't particularly connect

939
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Speaker 2: that well with the Black community. And building on this

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Speaker 2: book question for you, I think what you're seeing here,

941
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Speaker 2: and they didn't break it down by race, but remember

942
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Speaker 2: we've had this discussion for a while. I think it's

943
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Speaker 2: black men. I think black men are rebelling against the

944
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Speaker 2: Democrat Party as many men are in general because of

945
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Speaker 2: cultural issue.

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Speaker 4: Us.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see that what I what I meant to say,

948
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Speaker 1: or what I meant to get to is that you

949
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Speaker 1: don't have that that national level unifying black politician for

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Speaker 1: the black community as you obviously did with Obama for

951
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Speaker 1: eight years, and you have Joe Biden who is trying

952
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Speaker 1: to be the person and with Kamala Harris as his VP,

953
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Speaker 1: of course, who has all these you know, uh bona

954
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Speaker 1: fidez with the black community. You know, I'm your guy,

955
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden says, I'll do what needs to be done.

956
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Speaker 1: And I think that's really falling flat. I mean, here

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Speaker 1: we have the Director of the Office for Public Engagement,

958
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Speaker 1: that is quite a quite a title, Steve Benjamin, who's like, oh,

959
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Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a lot of support for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Don't worry about a lot of support for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden in the African American community.

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Speaker 7: This is five janelvan ghusiasm for the president in the

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Speaker 7: African American community.

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Speaker 1: What do you chalk that lethargie up to?

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Speaker 8: You know, I will tell you again and I can

966
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Speaker 8: only speak Francesca to my to my experience, and when

967
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Speaker 8: I get out there and we talk to people about

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Speaker 8: the amazing successes of the administration on the leadership of

969
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Speaker 8: the President vice president, people are psyched. I mean they're

970
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Speaker 8: they're they're they're they're happy about these meaningful developments helping

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Speaker 8: change the lives of people all across this country.

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Speaker 1: Now, look, he's got an impossible job to be fair,

973
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Speaker 1: right to be fair, mister Steve Benjamin's job is impossible

974
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Speaker 1: because nobody is psyched about Joe Biden. And I really

975
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Speaker 1: mean this. I have never met a Democrat who jumps

976
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Speaker 1: for joy over Joe Biden. I have met Democrats who

977
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Speaker 1: do that for Hillary. A lot of them were women

978
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Speaker 1: for Barack Obama, to be sure, for Bernie Sanders, for

979
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. I have met Democrats and no Democrats who

980
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Speaker 1: truly get excited about the I have never met somebody,

981
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Speaker 1: just from my own experience, who goes, you know, who's

982
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Speaker 1: amazing Joe Biden. Everybody knows that he He was the

983
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Speaker 1: candidate that they had when they were able to run

984
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Speaker 1: an anti Trump campaign. If you were to ask somebody

985
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Speaker 1: right now, or rather, how about this, if somebody said

986
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Speaker 1: to me, make the best case you can for what

987
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has delivered for the black community in his

988
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Speaker 1: first term, I do you have something? And I really

989
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Speaker 1: mean this. If someone said, you know, I'll give you

990
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Speaker 1: a million dollars, make the best case for Joe Biden.

991
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Speaker 1: Point to the thing that Joe Biden has done for

992
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: the black community that has really delivered. I am not

993
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Speaker 1: aware of it, and I just basically read about politics

994
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Speaker 1: all the time.

995
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Speaker 2: I think you could make that case for almost anyone

996
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: in America, and that really kind of I think speaks

997
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 2: to how Biden has failed. And you asked why he

998
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Speaker 2: has this the position that he does, it's because he's

999
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Speaker 2: seen as Barack Obama's kind of doddering friend.

1000
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's like his wingman.

1001
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not even really a wingman. It's like kind

1002
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Speaker 2: of a you know, like in the Buddy Cop movies.

1003
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Speaker 2: He's not even it's not like he's Riggs and Murtaw

1004
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: in Lethal Weapon. I hope I got those guys' names right.

1005
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 6: Yep.

1006
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Speaker 2: He's like the Joe Pesci character, you know who they

1007
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 2: eventually added on, kind of the lovable Leo gets Leo gets.

1008
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Speaker 2: He's the Leo gets of. And in fact, I think

1009
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Speaker 2: we have this audio you called for it a little

1010
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Speaker 2: bit earlier, but it's cut thirty. Even when he's talking

1011
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: to the n double ACP today, he still seems to

1012
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: be referring to himself as the vice president and Biden

1013
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Speaker 2: as the President.

1014
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: Listen to that.

1015
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 5: My name is.

1016
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and I'm a lifetime member of the NAACP.

1017
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Speaker 1: But I said that the president said, are your dues

1018
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: paid up? I got a check?

1019
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that could be fair. The President of the in

1020
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Speaker 2: double ACP is who he's referring to. I took it

1021
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Speaker 2: as the President Obama, but I think he's talking about

1022
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Speaker 2: the President then double ACP. First of all, he said

1023
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Speaker 2: he didn't want his kids to go to school in

1024
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Speaker 2: a jungle. Does that sound like a lifetime believer of

1025
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: the NAACP. And he claimed that he got arrested on

1026
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 2: the porch while protesting. But yes, they'll they'll let me

1027
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: tell you.

1028
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Speaker 1: I remember when when that that moment happened, and it

1029
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Speaker 1: did feel a little surreal at the time. People forget

1030
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: now because you know, we got a lot going on

1031
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: in the world. He wasn't the leading candidate until all

1032
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Congressman Clyburn, South Carolina. The black community,

1033
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Speaker 1: and particularly I mean the black community's most you know,

1034
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: the the voting block that determines the most is the

1035
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: black female primary voter. They essentially, once Clyburn gave his blessing,

1036
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Speaker 1: made the decision Joe Biden's going to be the guy.

1037
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Speaker 1: And I remember talking to a few friends of mine

1038
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Speaker 1: around that time who are Black Democrats, because I honestly

1039
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Speaker 1: am curious about the what the feeling was about this,

1040
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: And at least what they told me a couple of

1041
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: them told me was it's not that they think that

1042
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: Joe Biden. They know that Joe Biden's not some great

1043
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: hero or anything for the black community, but they think

1044
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: it's it's transactional. They think we put him in place,

1045
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, meaning the black community gives this to Joe Biden,

1046
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Speaker 1: He's going to deliver for the black community in you know,

1047
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Speaker 1: a variety of ways while he's in office. I think

1048
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Speaker 1: that implicit bargain has clearly not been met by Joe Biden.

1049
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: And that's why so so for any Black voters for

1050
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: whom Biden was a transactional And look, you can argue

1051
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: all politicians, right, you're voting for them because you want

1052
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: to get certain stuff. But I don't think that they

1053
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Speaker 1: believed in the mythology the Biden campaign was pushing, or at

1054
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Speaker 1: least a lot of them didn't believe in that. I

1055
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Speaker 1: think they just figured Joe Biden will get it. Done

1056
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Speaker 1: for us, because you know, because we're getting it done

1057
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Speaker 1: for him, and that has not happened. I will mention

1058
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Speaker 1: two things that he did want. He put Kamala Harris

1059
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Speaker 1: on the ticket, which black women might see even though

1060
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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily. And then the second one is similar,

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Speaker 1: it's DEI based. He gave the spriontology Brown Jackson on

1062
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I don't you know that those two moves again,

1063
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Speaker 1: those two moves, if you're a you know, a black

1064
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Speaker 1: female PhD at an Ivy League school or something, you go,

1065
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, like, look what he's doing. I don't

1066
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Speaker 1: think that that really moves the needle very much in

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Speaker 1: a lot of in a lot of black communities. I

1068
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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of black communities, you know in

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Speaker 1: the South, for example, that are dealing with the day

1070
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Speaker 1: to day problems of paying, you know, affording things, jobs,

1071
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Speaker 1: you know, substance abuse, I mean, all the things that

1072
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Speaker 1: come especially if you're living in a city environment. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they view the Supreme Court pick as enough,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I think that that's

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, those would be the things that

1076
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Speaker 1: he could point to. But I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: remember Trump, you always talk about the wage and job

1078
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Speaker 1: growth and low real unemployment in the black and Latino

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Speaker 1: community when he was president. That was one of his

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Speaker 1: biggest points of pride.

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Speaker 2: This is why I bet you a stake that black

1082
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Speaker 2: men are going to twenty five percent. Bet vote for

1083
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Speaker 2: twenty five twenty five percent of black men, just black men.

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Speaker 2: This said twenty two percent of black voters overall. I

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Speaker 2: think one in four black men are going to vote

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Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. I don't think black women are going

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Speaker 2: to move as much. I think black men are jumping

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Speaker 2: on board. I really do, and that's why I think

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Speaker 2: certainly picked him, Scott. I think that's why he.

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Speaker 1: The other part of this, too is the notion that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is I mean, we've known this all along

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Speaker 1: on the right. The the notion that the left is

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Speaker 1: obsessed with that Donald Trump is some big racist. It's

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Speaker 1: just a lot, it's just a lie. He's just not

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Speaker 1: a racist. You can say some things about him that

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Speaker 1: aren't complimentary. Donald Trump is actually not a racist, one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent right tunnel.

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Speaker 2: The Towers Foundation has been helping America's heroes and their

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Speaker 2: Heroes like Buffalo firefighter Jason Arnaut and his family. Arnaut

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Speaker 2: The families of fallen first responders like Jason Arnaut, plus

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Speaker 3: From the front Lines of Truth, Clay Travis and Buck

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