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Speaker 1: You you trade the Bill of Rights, for instance, from

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden America is losing again to you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you follow me. There you go. Extra large