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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Joining us

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Speaker 1: now Tasa Taels from Tasa Tales on YouTube. Tasa what happened?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So like Diddy's team has done the whole trial.

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Speaker 1: Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, so they can wait.

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Speaker 3: We were all ready for it.

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Speaker 1: There was a letture they.

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Speaker 4: Sent saying they wanted it moved up to September twenty second.

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Speaker 5: We were waiting for a legal showdown in the court.

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Speaker 1: It was all done teleconference.

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Speaker 6: It was all done teleconference.

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Speaker 2: And what's more, Diddy's team agreed to the October third,

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Speaker 2: but they will report early.

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Speaker 1: If anything.

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Speaker 2: Everybody in the courtroom collectively rolled their eyes. Again they

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Speaker 2: were in the overflow room. They did not let anybody

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Speaker 7: Everybody collectively rolled their eyes because.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, this is more finagling

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Speaker 2: and it actually angered a lot of people even when

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Speaker 2: they heard that news. Why, because you have to look

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Speaker 2: at it. Didny's team at least I believe they won

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Speaker 2: on technicalities. They won on a trial by ambush.

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Speaker 1: And it looks like for this pre.

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Speaker 2: Sensitive presentencing report where there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of character witnesses, a lot of character letters wrote to

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Speaker 2: the judge, good and bad.

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Speaker 4: They're once again trying to run the clock off and win.

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Speaker 2: By a technicality.

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Speaker 8: The general public wasn't allowed in the main courtroom again.

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Speaker 2: This was all done looked like by a secure zoom call.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we could have literally just phoned this in, but

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Speaker 3: you know the Senatorship New York, they.

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Speaker 9: Don't like anything tape and you're not allowed to get

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Speaker 9: into the live feed I guess unless you're one of

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Speaker 9: the parties joining.

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Speaker 2: However, they weren't generous enough to let everybody go into

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Speaker 3: That is when they put the zoom call on the

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Speaker 3: big feed again.

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Speaker 6: Mark Agnifilio's comedy show was in.

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Speaker 1: Full effect again.

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Speaker 3: When the screens came on, Mark Agnafilia was like, Sean,

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Speaker 3: is that jew trying to.

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Speaker 1: Be funny again?

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Speaker 7: What aren't you performing for?

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Speaker 6: I guess he's performing for his public.

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Speaker 1: He said this was the best clothing he ever did.

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Speaker 3: He is still on a high. He literally said, Sean,

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Speaker 3: is that jew did? He said, yeah, where are you?

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Speaker 1: He said, oh, I'm in my office.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: They could have done this off camera but they wanted

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Speaker 2: everybody to get into the flow.

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Speaker 3: They asked, is the government on the government was very dry. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I guess they're still looking their wounds.

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, the deputy said, beyond

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Speaker 2: the letter, is there anything else? Both parties said no,

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Speaker 2: and they said okay. Meetings adjourned again. When I tell

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Speaker 2: you it was a nothing burger. Everybody was on the

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Speaker 2: to being a nothing burger, it was a giant nothing burger.

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Speaker 2: And then of course they released the letter to the public.

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Speaker 2: So we lie of weight to see whatever tricks.

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Speaker 6: Did He's team, and we're sure they have them have

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Speaker 6: up their sleeves to make sure that did he even

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Speaker 6: with those two sex crime convictions, is not held about

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Speaker 6: a held accountable for what he's done.

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Speaker 1: Philip Dubay, veteran defense attorney, way in, is this what

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Speaker 1: you expected?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 10: First of all, we're in the dead of summer and

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Speaker 10: most attorneys court staff have vacation plans ready to go,

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Speaker 10: and to suggest that they need all this extra time

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Speaker 10: to prepare and to get witnesses into court is actually

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Speaker 10: quite laughable, and we use it oftentimes just to placate

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Speaker 10: the client. You know, patience is bitter, but it's fruit

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Speaker 10: is sweet. We're going to get you a great sentence,

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Speaker 10: We're going to get you a great outcome. But the

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Speaker 10: truth is these attorneys are probably thinking about their prepaid

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Speaker 10: all inclusive resort getaways that they had scheduled way ahead

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Speaker 10: of time. The last thing that they need is for

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Speaker 10: a sentencing hearing to get in the way of that

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Speaker 10: where they have to reschedule, suffer cancelation fees, and lord

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Speaker 10: knows what else. So my hunches they need more time

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Speaker 10: because they want to get out of dodge joining us.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced likeo analyst out of the La jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: You can see her on Peacock and she is the

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Speaker 1: author of deal Breakers on Amazon. You can find her

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Speaker 1: online at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of it?

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think it's much to do about nothing.

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Speaker 5: I think that when people have nothing to say, they

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Speaker 5: keep shuffling the shells around, right, and this just seems

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Speaker 5: like a big shuffle. What I'm really worried about, Right,

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Speaker 5: now is after the sentencing. If it's too short, what

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Speaker 5: is going to happen with all of the victims. I mean,

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Speaker 5: are the victims even being held in mind? I'm not

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Speaker 5: talking about sex trafficked victims from all over the world.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura, Mia Jane, all these women who are so

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Speaker 5: brave to go out on the stand and to really

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Speaker 5: tell their truth, risk shame, risk humiliation. And now the

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Speaker 5: Agnifholo is just doing a big shell game, trying to

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Speaker 5: sort of he's tap dancing, trying to look like he's busier.

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Speaker 3: Than he really is.

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Speaker 5: I think actually that the die is cast. I think

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Speaker 5: Sebradium has a pretty good idea of what's going on.

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Speaker 5: I think he's going to give him the maximum. I

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Speaker 5: do know because I'm married to a judge. Often they

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Speaker 5: try to.

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Speaker 1: Split the baby.

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Speaker 5: Even if they're disappointed after a jury verdict. They may

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Speaker 5: not like what the jury decided, but they will try

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Speaker 5: to walk a fine line between what they think is

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Speaker 5: a fair sentence and what and upholding the opinions of

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Speaker 5: the jurors the American public. But in this case, there are.

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Speaker 1: So many victims at risk. That's what worries me.

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Speaker 5: The most and I'm sure Lynn can talk more about this, but.

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Speaker 2: P.

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Speaker 5: Didy is a menace to society. He's a true menace.

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Speaker 5: The fact that he was holding a freak off the

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Speaker 5: night that the Feds came for him, what does that

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Speaker 5: tell you about his future offending behavior. He's not going

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Speaker 5: to leave prison chased or remorseful or trying to slow

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Speaker 5: galvanized than before. So I just hope this sentencing keeps

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Speaker 5: society as safe as possible for as long as possible.

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Speaker 1: Joining me is Lynn Shaw, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors,

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Speaker 1: dedicated to ending sex trafficking and exploitation of girls and women.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw. At least the judge sent a message to

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Speaker 1: the victims, what's your response?

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Speaker 11: Well, first of all, everybody's hitting the nail on the head,

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Speaker 11: But I have to ask, where is the standing ovation

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Speaker 11: for all of these victims that came forward and laid

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Speaker 11: it out, put their lives on the line. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 11: going to say put their lives on the line. This

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Speaker 11: case of one Shawn Colmbs. I refused to call him

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Speaker 11: dirty Ditty, as I was referring to him for many

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Speaker 11: weeks because It's not cute at all any more. This

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Speaker 11: was bigger than just this case. This was something that

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Speaker 11: all victims and survivors of sexual exploitation abuse, rape crimes.

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Speaker 11: It kind of infected all of society. We have spent

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Speaker 11: the exhaustive last couple of weeks unraveling all this, with

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Speaker 11: victims talking them through everything. But I have to say

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Speaker 11: are following along and they're all looking at this and

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Speaker 11: they're all talking about it. I can ensure that this

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Speaker 11: is what they're doing, and they're looking at it as

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Speaker 11: another man of power, wealth over and celebrity over their truths.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I.

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Speaker 11: Think this is just something that they're playing games now,

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Speaker 11: and that is so insulting. How the lawyer is acting,

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Speaker 11: you know on the video with Sean Combs making small talk.

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Speaker 11: It's disgusting. It shouldn't even be allowed. And you know what,

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Speaker 11: we are all about empowering the victims and survivors. And

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Speaker 11: we pray that the judge does when this comes around

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Speaker 11: in October October third, he does the right thing and

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Speaker 11: gives him the maximum sentence he can give him.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Dwayne Hendrix, joining US now former Assayciate Award

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Speaker 1: at the MDC. You can find him at new Dallightfoundation

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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Hendrix, Are you surprised?

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Speaker 12: So, I'm not surprised mister Combs and his legal team

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Speaker 12: pivoted from their earlier strategy of an expedited sentence.

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Speaker 7: I believe after they came.

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Speaker 12: Down off the euphoria of the verdict last week, they

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Speaker 12: realized that it was in mister Combs's best interest to

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Speaker 12: go ahead and go through the pre sentenced investigation. And

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Speaker 12: I've also believed that if mister Combs fully cooperates with

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Speaker 12: accepting responsibility and what brought him to this point in

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Speaker 12: his life and where he's going to go from here,

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Speaker 12: it probably will help mitigate the sentence that he's going

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Speaker 12: to receive in October three. Also, I've also believed if

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Speaker 12: he received a sentence of less than twenty seven months,

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Speaker 12: he'll probably serve his time.

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Speaker 7: At MDC Brooklyn.

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Speaker 12: And the reason why I say that is because he's

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Speaker 12: already has a year of jail credit, nearly a year

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Speaker 12: also he'll be able to serve thirty to ninety days

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Speaker 12: on own detention if he continues good behavior while he's at.

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Speaker 1: MDC Brooklyn, Doctor Hendrix, what happens now for Shawn Comes.

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Speaker 12: He'll remain at MDC Brooklyn until his sentencing on October third,

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Speaker 12: and during this time he'll try to maintain a low

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Speaker 12: profile good behavior and also go through the pre sentenced

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Speaker 12: investigation and probably spend a lot of time visiting with

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Speaker 1: Doctor Hendrix will Seawan Comes stay where he is now

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Speaker 1: until sentencing set for October.

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Speaker 12: So over the last year, in prior to that, MDC

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Speaker 12: Brooklyn has had a lot of issues and concerns and challenges,

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Speaker 12: and mister Colmbs made it very clear and his legal

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Speaker 12: team made it very clear that they didn't want him

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Speaker 12: the lesser charges, and now that he's had a standing

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Speaker 12: ovation when he returned back to the unit. Now I

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Speaker 12: think that they would rather have him do his time

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Speaker 12: if he is sentenced more than a year and a

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Speaker 12: day or time served they would rather have him do

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Speaker 12: his time at NBC Brooklyn and not anywhere else across

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Speaker 12: the country. And that way he don't have to go

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Speaker 12: get on a bus, get on the airlift, where that

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Speaker 12: black box, Martin chain, and leg irons. So I would

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Speaker 12: say because of the decreased population, better leadership at the institution,

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Speaker 12: the challenges have subsided at NDC Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: Debate way in.

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, it wasn't so expedited. If I recall,

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Speaker 10: the initial report was going to be a win September fifteenth,

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Speaker 10: you know, so that's what a month and a half away.

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Speaker 10: Then they wanted the actual sentencing hearing on September the

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Speaker 10: twenty second. So all they're really doing is moving it

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Speaker 10: it is it's very hard to coordinate scheduling for every

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, what do you think, you know.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, what's very interesting about men who fit a sociopathic

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Speaker 5: He came into session crying, paranoid, thinking that his phone

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Speaker 5: because men like this become angrier and even more ready

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Speaker 5: especially if they're sex addicts or their deviant, all they

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Speaker 5: as many victims to manipulate. Maybe some of the other prisoners,

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Speaker 1: In the last hours a ruling, Seawan Comes appears before

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Speaker 1: the judge demanding a bond. Judge says, no way. Wow

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Speaker 1: makes me think of all the time sa Cassie, Ventura,

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Speaker 1: Jane and Maya wanted out. But they didn't get out,

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Speaker 1: Think about it? Did he? There's no doubt in my

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Speaker 13: So the hearing lasted all of two minutes total. We

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Speaker 13: he should spend behind bars now, Judge Tuberbunning and at

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Speaker 13: an agreement on their sentencing recommendations. Right now, it's quite

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Speaker 13: a stark difference. Defense attorneys are asking for twenty one

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Speaker 1: Joining us now. Tasa tels from Tisa Tales on YouTube

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Speaker 1: Tisa what happened Holy getting a standing ovation? We need

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Speaker 1: to revisit it.

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Speaker 9: First of all, Mark Agnofilio is the one that told

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Speaker 2: So I think we do actually need a fact checker

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Speaker 2: because my Agnophilia also stood in front of the judge

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Speaker 2: and said that Cassie and Diddy were modern day love story.

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Speaker 8: He also turned in a judge and said that Freakals

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Speaker 8: was like your partner loving strawberry.

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Speaker 7: Lemonade and you not liking it.

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Speaker 3: He also did.

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Speaker 4: Say that Jane that Diddy might have.

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Speaker 2: Been provoked with Jane and beating her viciously with self defense.

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Speaker 8: So again, the only people we have confirming this story

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Speaker 7: But even in the.

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Speaker 2: Standing ovation, I think Diddy's team might be in a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a kerfuffle. They know, at least I

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Speaker 2: would guess that between now and sentencing, they need to

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Speaker 3: Look like he is the hope reborn.

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Speaker 2: I think they're trying to do a lot of feel

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Speaker 2: good stories, but the fact that that whole standing ovation

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Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, who is copping

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Speaker 2: They had one iota of your access, of your fame,

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Speaker 3: Again, when they say that the.

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Speaker 2: Inmates were clapping for Ditty, I said it once and

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Speaker 2: I'll say it again.

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Speaker 4: They arett clapping for the man. They're clapping for the

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Speaker 6: However, they get it so that they too cannot be

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Speaker 2: Again, you gotta wonder, did it actually happen and even

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Speaker 2: if it did happen, this is not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: This is not a good thing. It's actually embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, this.

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Speaker 2: Is the most support publicly that Ditty's going to be

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Speaker 1: I fully expect for there to be another bond hearing

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Speaker 10: No, I think that they're going to need the full

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Speaker 7: I really believe that there.

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Speaker 10: Are scheduling conflicts. You know, it'd be different if there

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Speaker 10: was only one member of the defense team one member

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Speaker 10: the US Attorney's Office and the entire sort of defense conglomerate,

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Speaker 10: And they've all agreed upon a date and they're going

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Speaker 10: to use that time wisely to get everybody interviewed, marshal

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Speaker 10: their resources, and get prepared for the October third date.

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Speaker 10: They're going to use it as a drop dead date.

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Speaker 1: No bond for Sean comes. Did he will sit behind

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Speaker 1: bars and wait for sentencing? But how did we get here?

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Speaker 14: This has worked, this strategy, which was his strategy, not

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Speaker 14: his lawyers, It has worked.

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Speaker 1: Did he orchestrates everything. If he pulls this off, it

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Speaker 14: If he pulls this off, he will feel invincible, and

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Speaker 1: After a split verdict where Shawn Combs is acquitted of rico,

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Speaker 1: two other counts come into play. Shawn comes convicted on

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Speaker 1: two felony counts. There was a massive argument via paper

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Speaker 1: to keep Shawn Combs behind bars, the defense fighting tooth

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Tisa Tales. You can find her

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Speaker 1: on YouTube at Tisa Tales. Tisa start at the beginning, Start.

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Speaker 7: With the verdict, the split.

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Speaker 9: What happened when the jury walked in, everybody was on

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 9: Everybody in the courtroom expected him to be guiltied on

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Speaker 9: at least the sex trafficking. There was a somber tone

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Speaker 9: they walked in and when they said please read, and

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Speaker 9: they said, what do you find ye on count one?

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Speaker 9: Not guilty? It was a bomb that went off in

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Speaker 9: the courtroom. The public audibly gassed nobody was expecting that

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Speaker 9: there were cheers of joy from Ditty's side. Count two,

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Speaker 9: what say ye not guilty again? Another bombshell went off.

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Speaker 9: People were in utter disbelief. Any even Diddy's most ardent

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Speaker 9: supporters did not expect him to get off on the

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Speaker 9: count of sex trafficking with Cassie. Count three, when they

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Speaker 9: said guilty for transportation of a prostitute, When they said

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Speaker 9: actually cheered, Yeah, that's all right, okay, okay, come on,

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Speaker 9: almost like you were.

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Speaker 3: Watching a pro football game.

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Speaker 9: When the other ones came in after that, there were

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Speaker 3: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 9: People were looking at the jury searching and to how

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Speaker 9: they can get a verdict in this day and age.

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Speaker 9: They heard Cassie's mother, the twenty thousand, they heard Capricorn Clark,

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Speaker 9: they heard about the savage beatings, and it was unbelievable

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Speaker 9: that the only thing they.

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Speaker 3: Said was prostitution. And that is because Daniel.

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Speaker 9: Phillips in his testimony actually said, at least I'm guessing

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Speaker 3: It was a travesty. It was an all out circus.

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Speaker 9: Everybody, including myself, are running to safety.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I got a question Fortisa

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Speaker 1: Tales and everyone's going to want to know this. You're

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Speaker 1: in a car right now. You had to leave the courthouse.

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Speaker 9: Why I had to leave the courthouse because Diddy's supporters

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Speaker 9: dipped my live. Of course I had two armed security guys.

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Speaker 9: Everyone told me the people in the courthouse is like,

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Speaker 9: make sure you have security. There's a lot of weird

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Speaker 9: stuff going on. It wasn't just me, but I'll tell

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Speaker 9: you what I experienced. Diddy support is surrounding me, threatening me,

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Speaker 9: saying that they were going to hurt me.

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Speaker 3: It was a serious situation.

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Speaker 15: It got so bad and there was so much chalos

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Speaker 9: It was something myself, the news media, mainstream media, new

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Speaker 3: Their lives the level.

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Speaker 9: And again the jurors, I hope to god they know

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Speaker 9: how to sleep at night, because again I'm sure they

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Speaker 9: did their duty. But when all that chast was happening,

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Speaker 9: as I was being threatened and ushered out by armed

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Speaker 3: I thought, this is what the jury did.

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Speaker 9: They sent a six no that it is okay to

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Speaker 9: to live a life of debauchery. It's okay to do

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Speaker 9: whatever you want. Because guess what if you work hard

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Speaker 9: and you have engrained yourself in culture enough that you

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Speaker 3: Again, this jury was shocking.

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Speaker 1: Taste of tales. When you say that Shawnkhm's supporters threatened you,

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Speaker 1: what were they saying.

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Speaker 9: They were saying, you B, you F and B. We're

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Speaker 9: going to kill you, you F and B. You've worked apparently,

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Speaker 9: I work for the fence. You're a plant. You make

443
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,959
Speaker 9: this all up because of you. Again, they're not too smart,

444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 9: because of you. That's how this case got started.

445
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna treat.

446
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 9: You worse than we treated Cassie. Cassie, what we do

447
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 9: to you, it's gonna be nothing that they had on Cassie.

448
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 9: They were screaming, they were yelling. Some people were saying,

449
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 9: apologize the Diddy apologize Diddy, of course, thank goodness.

450
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: We had Lenny and we had Jimmy, two of the

451
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: best arm guards out there. So the one thing is

452
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: they and also they started foaming.

453
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Speaker 9: Like wild dogs because they realized that I was not

454
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Speaker 9: an unprotected woman, and they realized they could not just

455
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Speaker 9: do what they felt like, and they started foaming like

456
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Speaker 9: wild dogs, screaming, their voices cracking in anger that they

457
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Speaker 9: ricially wanted to rip me apart.

458
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Speaker 3: This is why their hero had been exonerated. Even in

459
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 3: the best of.

460
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Speaker 9: Times, these people that support him, there's something wrong with it.

461
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 9: And I gotta tell you, Nancy, it wasn't just me.

462
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: It was not just me.

463
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 9: It was anybody that did not have a that didn't

464
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Speaker 9: have a pro Diddy stamp from the beginning.

465
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Speaker 3: That's who suffered.

466
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel that I want to

467
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Speaker 1: thank Tisa Tales for what she's doing tonight. You know,

468
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Speaker 1: Rob Sheeter is joining me.

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Speaker 7: Rob.

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Speaker 1: They don't know where to start. This is a blow.

471
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Speaker 1: This is a huge blow to crime victims all over

472
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: the country, huge blow. The big news is right now,

473
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Sean Combs is going to jail. Okay, he's going to jail.

474
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Speaker 1: I was actually worried that somehow the judge would contrivet

475
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Speaker 1: the law. And the law is under the Bill Reform

476
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Speaker 1: Act that for these two charges on which he was convicted,

477
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Speaker 1: he has to go to jail. There is no appeal

478
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Speaker 1: bond period. But I was so concerned that the judge

479
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Speaker 1: would somehow find a way to let him walk. And

480
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Speaker 1: all this time, Shooter, we've been hearing. I've got all

481
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Speaker 1: these letters here. Here's one from deontaey Nash in fear,

482
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: in fear, talking about Combs's long, well documented history of

483
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: violent retaliatory behavior. They're afraid rob'shter. Guys, Shooter knows comes

484
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Speaker 1: better than any of us. His longtime publicist no more.

485
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Speaker 1: But now you can find him at his substack robshooter

486
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Speaker 1: dot substack dot com and Nony but nice podcast. Sheoter.

487
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Speaker 1: I got to tell you, it's like a kick in

488
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Speaker 1: the stomach when that split verdict came down.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think everybody was done before. Before I continue, then, Nancy,

490
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Speaker 14: I just want to send my best to Tisha. What

491
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 14: happened to her outside that courthouse. It's horrific, it's wrong,

492
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Speaker 14: and I'm afraid these people now have been emboldened because

493
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 14: their hero, their idol, Diddy looks like he is going

494
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 14: to walk free. So this morning when we heard the judgment,

495
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 14: I think we were all shell shocked, we were all heartbroken,

496
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 14: we all felt like we'd been kicked in the stomach. However,

497
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 14: as the day has gone on, we do have to remember, Nancy,

498
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 14: that he has been found guilty of two very serious charges.

499
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Speaker 14: If any other celebrity had been charged with those two charges,

500
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Speaker 14: those alone and being found guilty, we would be done

501
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 14: with them. So the celebration from Team Diddy, the disappointment

502
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 14: from people who've been watching this as closely as we have,

503
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 14: I think we can take a step back both sides

504
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 14: and realize that this is not a good day for Diddy.

505
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 14: He is now a federal criminal, is in jail tonight.

506
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 14: He's going to remain there until he is sentenced. And

507
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 14: so at least takes some solace in that.

508
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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter, I've been getting flooded by crime victims,

509
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: victims from all walks of life that are upset. They

510
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: don't really sound mad, yet they're devastated, They're sad, they

511
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: can't believe this has happened. I've been already subjected to

512
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: a lot of attacks, verbal attacks, and I think what

513
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: Tisa tells has been subjected to already. But I give

514
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Speaker 1: the credit to the prosecutors for going in there. And

515
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: I truly believe this was a day of and Goliath,

516
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: and they went in against one of the highest profile

517
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: personalities in our country, Sean Comes, who many people think

518
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: that they know and they love him, and for some reason,

519
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: that blinded them, that drowned out everything that three sex

520
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: attack victims said. And one had the video? What had

521
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: the video? I just I don't get it. Rob Sheeter,

522
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: give me some insight and to how Sean Comes got

523
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Speaker 1: a split verdict. But yes, you're right, he is going

524
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: to jail on two felonies, two felonies. That's a victory

525
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: that Shawn Comes is going to jail.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a victory.

527
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Speaker 14: We have to hadden on for that, Nancaid, because in

528
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 14: this moment, in this hour, there's not a lot of hope.

529
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Speaker 14: Everything so bad. We have let down not just the

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Speaker 14: people in this case, but victims around the world. Did

531
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Speaker 14: he now will be empowered. This is not the end

532
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 14: of the story, Nancy. When he gets out of jail,

533
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 14: if he gets out of jail, hiss behavior will not

534
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 14: change because he thinks he has gotten away with it. Again,

535
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 14: if you enable someone, Nancy, they do not change. So

536
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 14: mark my words, Nancy, this is not the end of

537
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 14: the did he story. It's the end of a very

538
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 14: very sad chapter. And I think we've let a lot

539
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Speaker 14: of people down. And as far as being concerned about safety,

540
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 14: I just broke reporting that Cassie has now increased her security.

541
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Speaker 14: Cassie in New York, her home now has security increased.

542
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Speaker 14: And I think a lot of other people, courageous people

543
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 14: who came forward assistance, people that worked with Didd He

544
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 14: came forward and testified. They're very vulnerable and they are

545
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 14: very very scared right now.

546
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace back to Tisa Tails joining us.

547
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: She had to be escorted by armed guards out of

548
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Speaker 1: the courthouse and leave the scene after she was mobbed

549
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: by Diddy fans. Explained to me what was happening outside

550
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the courthouse. I understand that wasn't split verdict was announced.

551
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: The Diddy followers, the Diddy worshipers, went cray outside the courthouse,

552
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: actually dousing each other with baby oil and chanting.

553
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Speaker 3: They dows Day swarmed the circle. It looked like a

554
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: mush pit of depravity.

555
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 9: They were spraying baby oil on each other, jumping around,

556
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Speaker 9: feeling fantastic. One woman and a pair of Calvin kleinb

557
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 9: Breefe and Egra started jumping up and down, wiggling boy.

558
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Speaker 3: They sat there spraying baby o her and the crowd was.

559
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Speaker 16: Chanting yay, yay, yay go and hyping them up. It

560
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 16: was a monstrous ball of the parody depravity. When I say,

561
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 16: I was sickened. When I say, I shook my head.

562
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Speaker 9: And when I said, these are the peers, These are

563
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 9: the jury of the peers. And it makes me wonder

564
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Speaker 9: as a jury goes home and they look at the television.

565
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: Sets and they see what their decision costs and what

566
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: was on the line, it makes me wonder how can

567
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: they sleep at night?

568
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 9: It was absolute pandemonia in between the jumping up and

569
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Speaker 9: down with the baby oil woman willingly baby.

570
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: Oil being squirted on them, and everybody laughing and having a.

571
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Speaker 9: Time like Christmas had just come with Santa and the

572
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 9: twelve perverted Elves.

573
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Speaker 3: What happened after that was even more amazing.

574
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Speaker 9: Because while that was going on, there were little fires

575
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 9: everywhere of these bands of I don't know if they're

576
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 9: in cls, if they're idiots, what was going on looking

577
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 9: for anybody they had ever saw make anti Didty contest

578
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 9: and by anti Diddy?

579
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: According to film, it is pro justice.

580
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 9: They were going out their ways to make sure.

581
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Speaker 3: That everybody paid.

582
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 9: And again I said, this is what that jury costs us,

583
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 9: and let us know. It sent a message it's okay

584
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 9: to be depraved, it's okay to beat women, it's okay

585
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 9: to do drugs, it's okay to do whatever you want.

586
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 9: And that jury, that jury, when they gave the verdict,

587
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 9: signal that. Again I'm still coming to terms with how

588
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 9: the jury got to this thing.

589
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: God, this man was denied bail, Thank god.

590
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Speaker 1: Rob Sheeter, Is it true that you just published an

591
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: article that there is going to be a Sean comes

592
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Diddy women's shelter for abused and beaten women. I guess

593
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: they could fill the whole thing up.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy.

595
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Speaker 14: So last night I hit the phones and thank you

596
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 14: for all the support you've been given my substats. And

597
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 14: so this morning I posted a story. I spoke to

598
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 14: three different did He insiders last night saying what's next?

599
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 7: What is he going to do?

600
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 14: I've reported about the comeback to it potentially with Kanye West.

601
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 14: What else does he plan to do? And all my

602
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 14: sources told me that he's going to use this moment

603
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 14: as a marketing opportunity. He is shameless. This is a

604
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 14: chance for him to bounce back. He thinks to be

605
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 14: bigger than ever and I can see him Nancy standing

606
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 14: outside a did He women's shelter, cutting the ribbon, saying

607
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 14: that he's a protector of women, he loves women. He's

608
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 14: going to flip this narrative. There are no concrete plans

609
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 14: for this yet, I point out in the story, but

610
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 14: it's just one of the options that did He and

611
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 14: his team are exploring. How can he bounce back, not

612
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 14: just in music, not just in fashion, but how can

613
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 14: he get his reputation back. Normally we see celebrities going

614
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Speaker 14: to rehab, remember that, Nancy, they always go off to

615
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 14: reab for a few weeks. I'm told did He's not

616
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 14: going to do that, but he's going to open up

617
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Speaker 14: potentially several different shelters for battered women around around the country.

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Speaker 14: This is something that is seriously Nancy being discussed.

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Speaker 11: Linn Shaw thoughts not going to happen, never going to happen.

620
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Speaker 11: He and his team can talk all they want, they

621
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 11: can spend millions of dollars on strategies, they can go

622
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Speaker 11: on every show, which I'm sure he will make his

623
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 11: you know, comeback tour being paid who knows how much money?

624
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: Protection sure to I'm not.

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 11: Even calling that because to me, he's dead. So there's

626
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 11: no resurrection with this degenerate. Okay, it's never going to happen.

627
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 11: If we at the Warriors have to get every warrior

628
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 11: we know to go out and stop this, we will

629
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Speaker 11: do it because you know what we know. He's all

630
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 11: you have to think about is that Cassie video. I

631
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 11: think the judge, even you know, with no bail, is like, no,

632
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 11: the Cassie video in his mind.

633
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a mind reader. He is going to fall.

634
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Speaker 11: I maintain right now, things they may think are looking good.

635
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 11: I'm reminded everybody all day, yesterday and today, he's still

636
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 11: a convicted criminal. He's still sitting in jail. He's an offender.

637
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 11: Offenders don't change their stripes. He will come out eventually

638
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 11: and he will reoffend or do something worse. He's not

639
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 11: going to change. I maintain these shelters they talk about

640
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 11: it's going to be a nice pr stunt. It's not happening,

641
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 11: no way in hell under the Warrior's watch.

642
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Speaker 1: We're not allowing this.

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Speaker 17: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

644
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Speaker 17: your life.

645
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Speaker 7: Sometimes you got to do that. I was, I mean,

646
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Speaker 7: I hit.

647
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Speaker 17: Rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

648
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Speaker 3: My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

649
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 17: I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video.

650
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Speaker 7: I'm disgusted.

651
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 17: I was disgusted then when I did it.

652
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 7: I'm disgusting now. I went and I sought out professional help.

653
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 17: And to going to therapy. We're going to rehab. Had

654
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Speaker 17: to ask God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry,

655
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 17: but I'm committed to be a better managent every day.

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00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 7: I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm truly sorry.

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Speaker 1: Linn Shaw joining me from Lynn's Warrior. She's the founder

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Speaker 1: and executive director dedicated to ending sex trafficking and abuse

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Speaker 1: on girls and women. Okay, I've heard she asked for it.

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Speaker 1: It was her idea, she started it. It was consensual.

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Speaker 1: She's a slashed or, as an Agnifilo said in court,

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Speaker 1: She's a beautiful woman. She loves sex on and on

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Speaker 1: the same old stereotyped you've always heard, but this is

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Speaker 1: a new one. It was self defense. Sean Commes was

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Speaker 1: acting in self defense when he beat Jane blah blah blah, blah.

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Speaker 11: Blah, the same old playbook. Let's kick it to the curb.

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Speaker 11: First of all, I want to say something, a great

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Speaker 11: shout out to Tisa and to Rob stay safe. I

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Speaker 11: put out a statement on the Warriors about this right away,

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Speaker 11: with the verdict. I've been attacked relentlessly all day and

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Speaker 11: all night yesterday, and guess what by women women? So

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Speaker 11: what does this say about all of this? So now

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Speaker 11: you have a lawyer, a lawyer who's saying self defense.

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Speaker 11: I've heard this one before, Nancy, anything to blame the victim.

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Speaker 11: My concern here, though, is society is the justice system

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Speaker 11: itself not understanding accepting all of this. How come all

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Speaker 11: of those Diddy disciples attacking Tea and others. How come

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Speaker 11: they aren't in this frenzy to support victims, survivors, those

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Speaker 11: who testified. Why is it that there's this power over

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Speaker 11: this criminal, convicted criminal, this monster.

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Speaker 3: You know what?

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Speaker 1: That playbook is old.

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Speaker 11: These lawyers can say what they want. My concern here

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Speaker 11: also is that women are attacking me for putting out

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Speaker 11: what I am saying that he is. He got off

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Speaker 11: because they didn't prove sex trafficking and I don't know

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Speaker 11: what I'm doing. Well, you know what, everybody should walk

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Speaker 11: in my boots, come along with me with the warriors,

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Speaker 11: and do the work we do in the communities, and

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Speaker 11: they'll understand real quickly. These jurors, I wish I could

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Speaker 11: have taken all twelve of them on the road with me.

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Speaker 11: They would have convicted him of sex trafficking right away

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Speaker 11: because they have to see reality and they're blinded by

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Speaker 11: as Rob pointed out and Tisa, this star doest this wealth,

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Speaker 11: this power. But you know what, he's still at the

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Speaker 11: end of the day, a convicted criminal. He still is

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Speaker 11: in jail. We still have accounts against him, and he

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Speaker 11: will go down, maybe not right away, in the next

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Speaker 11: few years. He's going down joining me.

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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, renowned defense attorney, joining us out of the

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Speaker 1: LA jurisdiction. Troy Slayton, Look, okay, you got a lot

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Speaker 1: of tricks in your magician's bag that you whip out

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Speaker 1: in front of jury's to get those not guilty verdicts

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Speaker 1: that you seem to get sadly frequently. But Troy Slayton,

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Speaker 1: in a case like this, have you ever seen the

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Speaker 1: defense argue self defense that the alleged rapist, the alleged

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Speaker 1: sex trafficker was acting in self defense. I didn't see

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Speaker 1: any pictures of bruises on Seawan Comes. All I saw

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Speaker 1: was him running up and down the halls of the

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Speaker 1: Intercontinental and nothing but a towel. And we now know

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Speaker 1: why he had the towel that he was clutching so desperately,

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Speaker 1: because he didn't want this to be seen on the camera.

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Speaker 1: That said, have you ever saying self defense used by

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Speaker 1: an alleged rapist or an alleged sex trafficker.

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Speaker 18: It's the job of the defense attorney, Nancy, to be

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Speaker 18: a zealous advocate for their client and to do everything

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Speaker 18: that they can within the framework of the law to

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Speaker 18: secure an acquittal or to.

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Speaker 7: Get the best possible deal.

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Speaker 18: Now, I'm not going to sit here and gloat just

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Speaker 18: because I got it right all along that the government

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Speaker 18: overcharged this case.

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Speaker 7: There was not an overreach.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you would never glow.

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Speaker 7: There was just not the great good.

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Speaker 1: He would never say I told you so. Oh quick, update,

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Speaker 1: where's Diddy right now? Oh, he's in jail. Okay, continue,

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Speaker 1: but not for much longer.

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Speaker 18: The sentencing guidelines for what is probably going to end

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Speaker 18: up being the most expensive prostitution trial in US history

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Speaker 18: is fifteen to twenty one months. So although he has

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Speaker 18: what we call maximum exposure of ten years on each count,

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Speaker 18: which if ran consecutively, would be twenty years, he's not

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Speaker 18: going to get that. The starting point for the judge

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Speaker 18: here is fifteen to twenty one months, not years, and

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Speaker 18: he's already got.

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Speaker 1: Starting points of credit and a nutshell. Unlike state court

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Speaker 1: where I prosecuted in felony superior court, where the judge

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Speaker 1: had great, great leeway and dependent on the state to

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Speaker 1: make a very convincing argument when it came to sentencing,

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Speaker 1: in federal court, there's something called the federal guidelines. The

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Speaker 1: sentencing guidelines. Why because federal judges number one, they're appointed

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Speaker 1: for life. They can do whatever they want to, just

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Speaker 1: like the US Supreme Court. Okay, life, in case you

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Speaker 1: didn't know, they're not realigned to You can't get thrown.

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Speaker 7: Out, can't get impeached.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you named five justices, name one justice? One justice

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Speaker 1: US Supreme Court since it's ever been impeached. Hearing nothing,

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Speaker 1: I'll continue forward. The sentencing guidelines are instituted because federal

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Speaker 1: judges across the country had wildly divergent sentences for this

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Speaker 1: same crime, and defense was starting to say, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: He got five years and you're giving me life. How

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Speaker 1: can that be? So the sentencing guidelines were put in

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Speaker 1: place to kind of corral the federal judges into behaving

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Speaker 1: and having a more consistent sentencing guideline. However, there are

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Speaker 1: an a nutshell, I'm not going to let Troy Slayton

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Speaker 1: give you a legal treatise on this. There are upward

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Speaker 1: and downward departures. And I know a lawyer now disbarred

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Speaker 1: that made a living of getting snitches behind bars to

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Speaker 1: make up stories to help get downward departures. Downward departures

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Speaker 1: are when you present the judge evidence to the defendants

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Speaker 1: faith favor that gets the judge to give a lesser sentence.

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Speaker 1: There are also exactly rancy departures.

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Speaker 18: It's called mitigating and aggravating actors. And that's what your

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Speaker 18: attorneys for Dinny are going to do. They're going to

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Speaker 18: say all the great things about him in order to

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Speaker 18: try and get the judge to downward, depart or deviate

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Speaker 18: from the sentencing guidelines. It used to be in this country, Nancy,

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Speaker 18: that the sentencing guidelines were mandatory. The judge was confined

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Speaker 18: to in this case the fifteen to twenty one months,

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Speaker 18: but that's no longer the case. Judge has why discretion

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Speaker 18: to sentence up to the maximum in this space.

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Speaker 7: But it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 18: Diddy is going to be out in a matter of months,

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Speaker 18: not years.

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Speaker 1: As we wait for what will no doubt be another

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Speaker 1: bond request, we stop to remember an American hero, Deputy

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Frank Bordinaro, Genesee County Sheriffs forty four, killed in

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Speaker 1: the line of duty after nineteen years of service, leaving

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Speaker 1: behind grieving wife now widow. Robin had two sons, Bryce

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Speaker 1: and Chase. American hero Deputy Sheriff Frank Bordinaro. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,