WEBVTT - I'll Buy that for a Dollar: Emerich Juettner

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi is Saron?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, what's up with Liz Bit?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? I got a question for you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have a question for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you really? What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>What's you know?

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<v Speaker 3>I do ridiculous? Okay, you're from northern California. You're a

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<v Speaker 3>California Native.

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<v Speaker 2>Generation's deep, aggressively so and obnoxiously so.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I got something to help you be extra obnoxious

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<v Speaker 3>amongst your like California natives. And you guys have your

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<v Speaker 3>excuter club meetings or whatever. So do you know how Calistoga.

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<v Speaker 4>Got its name Calistoke Town of Calistogah. No, So, in

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen sixty two, this cat Sam Brannon, right, he's he

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<v Speaker 4>was a Mormon. He was a he was a Mormon

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<v Speaker 4>to moved to California, and back when he was a Mormon,

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't drink alcohol. But then he left the church,

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<v Speaker 4>came to California, he got really into alcohol.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, this is amazing. I got to tell more people

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<v Speaker 3>about this. So he then eventually opens this place called

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<v Speaker 3>Hot Springs Resort. Yeah, and he's like, oh man, I

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<v Speaker 3>have people come here. They're gonna get drunk and they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get the Hot Springs is amazing. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing ever. I know why people don't know about

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<v Speaker 3>this right now at this point, what he's drinking is

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<v Speaker 3>French champagne. That's his drink of choice. Really, he would

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<v Speaker 3>sit in bubbles, he would drink bubbles. He's like cold bubbles,

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<v Speaker 3>hot bubbles. All about the bubbles. Right, So that the

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<v Speaker 3>grand opening banquet for his Hot Springs resort, he raises

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<v Speaker 3>a glass of champagne and he goes to toast his

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<v Speaker 3>new resort. Now he wanted to compare it to its inspiration,

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<v Speaker 3>Sarah Tooga Springs in New York. So he gets up

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<v Speaker 3>there and he's like, I will make this place the

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<v Speaker 3>Saratoga of California. But he'd been drinking so much champagne. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I'll make this place the Calistoga, Caarafornia. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been called Calistoga ever since.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so perfect beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>But there you go, and that's that's your country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That is really so ridiculous. Do you want to know

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<v Speaker 2>what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 5>Dude?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I?

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually ridiculously brilliant low value counterfeiting. This is Ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>You damn right?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just fall out of the ceiling tipe?

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<v Speaker 3>I got dropped, But yeah, I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, a sad one. If you had a bundle of

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<v Speaker 2>counterfeit cash, say like one hundred thousand dollars worth.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I have a bundle. Oh, I don't have to

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<v Speaker 3>actually say it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, what would you do with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you bend it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? This is an interesting question because I've actually been

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<v Speaker 3>confronted with this a much smaller number. But I went

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<v Speaker 3>to a bank in Los Angeles and I cashed a

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<v Speaker 3>check and they gave me half of the money in

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<v Speaker 3>counterfeit bills. And then I went to go get gassed

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<v Speaker 3>with one of the hundreds and the person's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>this look at you see this at twenty This is

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<v Speaker 3>a fake bill. Don't try to pass this, man, And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like what No, And I went back to

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<v Speaker 3>the bank. I'm like, you gave me these four, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fake hundreds, and they're like, no, man, you walk you

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<v Speaker 3>can't try to do that pass this, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>got loud right and I'm like, you're trying to pass

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<v Speaker 3>fit counterfeit bills, trying to hope people will get mad

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<v Speaker 3>in line. I don't know what I thought would happen

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<v Speaker 3>Themander comes over and goes get the hell out of

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<v Speaker 3>the bank, and I was like, oh darn it. They

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't get me my money back. So now I've got

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<v Speaker 3>these four hundred fake hundreds. So I'm like, well, what

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<v Speaker 3>can I do? So I'm like, I'll go on Craigslist

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<v Speaker 3>and buy something. So I put in Craigslist and I

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<v Speaker 3>tried to buy a computer, assuming it was a stolen computer.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I'll give them counterfeit bills. It'll all be even.

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<v Speaker 3>So I tried to go buy a laptop and I

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<v Speaker 3>had to drive like way into East LA. And I

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<v Speaker 3>show up to this guy and I'm like trying to like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, act like I'm a buyer, and I'm looking

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<v Speaker 3>over the computer and he's like, okay, you gotta be

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<v Speaker 3>like three hundred dollars, and I was like, cool, pervingt

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<v Speaker 3>And I give him the three and he looks at

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<v Speaker 3>me and he's like, give me my computer back, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, d darn it. So before I got

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<v Speaker 3>beat up by this great you know guy who you

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<v Speaker 3>know sell stolen computers, I had to like talk my

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<v Speaker 3>way out of there and anything. Luckily I gotten the

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<v Speaker 3>money back from him, and he didn't want to have

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<v Speaker 3>the counterfeit bills either. So then I tried to go

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<v Speaker 3>and spend it at a gas station. Again, I'm like

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<v Speaker 3>when we goes and go to spend us at another

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<v Speaker 3>gas station, And eventually I was able to pass them.

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<v Speaker 3>So wow, yeah, I shouldn't rebably admit that, but the

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<v Speaker 3>statue of limitations is long gone for you. So yeah, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 3>that's how I do it. I just spend it on

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<v Speaker 3>other criminals and.

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<v Speaker 2>Small interesting place.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the thing is, it's like the that when

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<v Speaker 2>people think about fake bills, I think twenties and hundreds.

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<v Speaker 3>Total, yusually hundreds. That's what I had.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's the smart move to try and

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<v Speaker 2>like uh break them up and do them at a

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<v Speaker 2>like separate like don't do multiple bills at one place, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I tried, so yeah what at a time at

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<v Speaker 2>different places?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, like so that's it's smart to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>What's even smarter is to fly under the radar. Do

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<v Speaker 2>smaller bills like you know, tens get less.

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<v Speaker 3>Scrutiny, Oh of course smart. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was given a fake ten once. Yeah, when I

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<v Speaker 2>was teaching. We had like a faculty event and we

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<v Speaker 2>were like collecting money so they could have I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to like grill steaks or something. It was stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was supposed to give me ten bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I went to count them out, one was

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<v Speaker 2>slightly smaller than every other one, and I realized someone

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<v Speaker 2>handed me a fake ten. So I'm me, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think I did?

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<v Speaker 3>Took it to the police.

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<v Speaker 2>I did because I'm like, I could like take this

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<v Speaker 2>to Walmart. I was down the road and try and

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<v Speaker 2>like do it. I was like, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder what happens? What do they do? It's ten bucks? Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>So I called the non emergency line and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know whatever, I have a fake ten dollars bill

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<v Speaker 2>and someone gave.

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<v Speaker 3>Me again, bring it on your normal weekly visit.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm in room with five whatever at the college

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<v Speaker 2>and then like twenty minutes later, there's no crime in

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<v Speaker 2>this place. I figure two detectives show up, like they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have suit jackets on, but they.

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<v Speaker 3>Like short sleeve shirts and like.

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<v Speaker 2>No pants, no underpants. So they come in and I

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<v Speaker 2>give them the money and they made me fill out

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<v Speaker 2>this form for the secret service and I it was

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<v Speaker 2>out ten bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you just lose it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, off ex.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, well, I'll just pass that on to

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<v Speaker 3>someone else, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So some why would you pick on an English faculty member?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wouldn't have done that too.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I feel like it might have been like

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<v Speaker 2>tool and die. Those guys are a little bit shady. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I love them to death. But anyway, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you got the tools and to die there not

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<v Speaker 2>to be played. So if you have like a ten

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<v Speaker 2>to five of one, they don't use those these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't use the highlighter pens on those.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's the problem. And if a store is

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<v Speaker 2>like really busy, someone's not paying attention, Like if you're

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<v Speaker 2>just an English instructor trying to get through the day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hearing this boring, then you're you know, likely

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<v Speaker 2>to get away with passing the of course thought that

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<v Speaker 2>you should have thought of that. So the move is

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<v Speaker 2>to make smaller bills. I want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 2>someone who did just that. A clever fella, an Austrian

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant named Emeric Jutner. Oh yeah, it looks like Jutner. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So Emeric he was born in eighteen seventy five in Austria,

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<v Speaker 2>came from this working class family. He had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>two brothers, sister, normal stuff. And when he was a

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<v Speaker 2>kid he learned about photo engraving. Oh yes, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I think that maybe that's what his father did, and

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe he was going to apprentice somebody. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he was like going to be you know, brought

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<v Speaker 2>up to a prenticip But when he was fourteen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>he got on a steamership and he set sail for

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<v Speaker 2>the US of A fourteen fourteen New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>The hot apple dude. Nineteenth century people would just break out.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, I'm thirteen and.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if his family was with him, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were, because a man I pulled

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<v Speaker 2>up the man of us for the ship he came.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the only Utner listed as arriving on the

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<v Speaker 2>vessel trave and that was a ship built in Glasgow,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, So it looks like he's this fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old boy, all on his own, headed to a

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<v Speaker 2>no home. Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>It is? It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So his first job when he gets here is as

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<v Speaker 2>a picture frame guilder.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, gold on pictures like the air on the robber bands.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of lout of frames to guild everything.

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<v Speaker 2>When he's not slapping gold foil on frames, he was

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<v Speaker 2>inventing things, so he was his hand. He drew up

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<v Speaker 2>plans for a camera and he sent it off to

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<v Speaker 2>Kodak interesting, and they passed on it. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>invented a new kind of Venetian blind. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what that entailed, but the window shade company he sent

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<v Speaker 2>it to made light Kodak and they just passed untology.

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<v Speaker 2>We want, you know, sharp blades as the slats. So

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen ninety five you put an ad in the paper,

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<v Speaker 2>young man eighteen German and English, desire work or position

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<v Speaker 2>with a chance for advancement by industriousness, Please address Emrick Utner,

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<v Speaker 2>four oh two Fifth Street.

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<v Speaker 3>Young man.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's just like he's hustling for work, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just like upright citizen nineteen oh two. He's twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>years old. He met a woman named Florence Lemine.

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<v Speaker 3>Florence Lemine, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall in love. It looks like yeah, and they get

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<v Speaker 2>married and they have kids, and he gets this job

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<v Speaker 2>as a maintenance man on the Upper East Side of

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<v Speaker 2>New York.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm rooting for these crazy kids, right.

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<v Speaker 2>What's cool about his job is that he lived rent

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<v Speaker 2>free in the basement of the building that he worked in.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought he'd lived rent free in someone's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that too in mine. He's you know, decades a

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<v Speaker 2>century later. So the family moved a few times, but

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<v Speaker 2>they had this like solid existence and their Upper East

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<v Speaker 2>Side so they're living in these great posh neighborhoods. He

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<v Speaker 2>lived in what Elaine Hatfield, she's the author of a book,

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<v Speaker 2>flim Flam Artist.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh great book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she called it genteel Poverty. Oh yeah. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>like a nice guy. He's super kind, always smiling. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>loved him. Everyone's friend, everyone's friend. He was only five

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<v Speaker 2>foot three, but he's like kind of ripped from all

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<v Speaker 2>the physical work that he did, like even into his

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<v Speaker 2>later years. And so basically he's the kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>who's always been the engine of this country, the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's this hard working immigrant, he's community minded, clever,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a dreamer, he's scrappy. That's what builds us and

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<v Speaker 2>keeps us going. So I love him. I'm into it exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so all everything's going chugging along until nineteen thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when his wife, the love of his life,

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<v Speaker 2>died and he's sixty two years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, bad time.

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<v Speaker 2>His kids they're grown and they're out of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's all alone. He has nothing to keep him motivated,

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<v Speaker 2>and like everything just starts to fall apart for him.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just him and his dog, and the dog

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<v Speaker 2>was the only thing that kept the light in his eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, it's just like he lost he lost

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<v Speaker 2>his world.

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<v Speaker 3>He now gets in and gives is the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he quit his maintenance job and he moved

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<v Speaker 2>out of the basement place in the Posh neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 2>then into a tenement in the Upper West Side, and

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<v Speaker 2>he got a gig as a junk collector.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, like Sanford and Son.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a wagon. He goes around and collects very exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't understand why. I think he was also

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<v Speaker 2>just tired with the maintenance stuff. Because it was like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you wanted to get out in the fresh air,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe he's a lot of interesting people.

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<v Speaker 2>The world is junk for him.

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<v Speaker 3>He wants to salvage what he can. He's very metaphorical

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<v Speaker 3>and he's a poem walking.

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<v Speaker 2>And his kids. His kids are trying to help him out,

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<v Speaker 2>but he wouldn't take their money or their offers.

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<v Speaker 3>Proud, he's way too proud Austrian from the old country.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and like hard work. The problem was that pulling

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<v Speaker 2>scrap from like abandoned buildings and selling it to junk

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<v Speaker 2>dealers is not a viable way to make a living.

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<v Speaker 3>Very little, living very small.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had savings that he and his wife had accumulated,

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<v Speaker 2>but he just like winds up burning through that just

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<v Speaker 2>to live. He's not living fancy, but it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>he needs, you know, he eats through the savings exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So he gone from genteel poverty to the brink of

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<v Speaker 2>like full destitution. And he didn't really care if he

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<v Speaker 2>lived on the street, to be honest, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>want to have that life for his dog. And he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't name his dog, by the way, fox, this fox terrier.

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<v Speaker 2>He once commented, quote, what good would a name do?

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<v Speaker 3>The dog?

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<v Speaker 2>When I talked to him. He knows I'm talking to him,

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<v Speaker 2>don't he? And I know who he is without calling

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<v Speaker 2>him some made up name, don't I. He's very Taoist

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<v Speaker 2>of like, don't name it.

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<v Speaker 3>The dog has no name, and he has no named

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<v Speaker 3>before the dog for the dog. So it's just these

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<v Speaker 3>two er souls moving through the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think dogs deserve names. Human names will deserve human names.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a lot of fun with your dog.

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>So he needed cash, and he didn't really care about

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<v Speaker 2>the world or its laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he's well passed.

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<v Speaker 2>So he got crafty in a shady way. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's another American treat. Sure, what keeps us running?

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<v Speaker 3>Crafty?

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<v Speaker 2>Shady, shady, crafty exactly. So in November of nineteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>he got to work. Okay, So he went out and

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<v Speaker 2>he bought a little portable printing press. He named it

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<v Speaker 2>Uncle Henry. So he will name a printing press, but

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<v Speaker 2>not at the dog. That's like you you name everything, yeah, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So the printing press was Uncle Henry. And he took

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of a clean crisp dollar bill from back,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he transferred it over to a zinc plate,

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<v Speaker 2>and from there he put it into an acid bath

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<v Speaker 2>to etch it into the plate, pulls it out, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he like finishes by carving all the small details

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<v Speaker 2>by hand. Yeah, this guy's ridiculous totally. And he carefully

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<v Speaker 2>pressed a dollar bill.

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<v Speaker 3>You imagine how slow his hand moved to etch metal

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<v Speaker 3>on the fine details right, well, the of a dollar exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he presses a bill and it looks good

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<v Speaker 2>to him, Okay, And there he is in his kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>he's printing out buck after buck, ensuring his livelihood and

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<v Speaker 2>that of his unnamed pupp is just doing a dollar

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<v Speaker 2>at a time. And he knew that he couldn't go

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<v Speaker 2>pass them all at once, or like in one in

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<v Speaker 2>one place more than once. So every week he'd spend

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<v Speaker 2>about like ten bucks or so here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>So he figured out the market.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he figured out a string of shops to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>He never passed more than one fake dollar at any

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<v Speaker 2>given store. Good so newspaper stands and grocers, and like

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<v Speaker 2>he'd get what he and the dog needed to live.

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<v Speaker 3>Give a couple of bucks a church, Yeah, he'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw he'd throw one into his twenty five dollars rent,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd buy subway tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>He just lowered the price of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything just shaved a little bit, like maybe a bartender

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<v Speaker 2>here there.

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<v Speaker 3>For tips, probably good for tips. They're going to spend

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<v Speaker 3>it themselves, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the plan took him all over the city, all

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<v Speaker 2>the burrows, walking to every corner the place to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure he didn't repeat.

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<v Speaker 3>A store brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just to avoid detection. He didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to stiff any businesses more than a dollar. It's not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not going to stiff on more than a buck.

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<v Speaker 2>And then one day, not too long after he started

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<v Speaker 2>printing money, he went into this cigar shop on Broadway

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<v Speaker 2>near one hundred and second, and he passed a faker

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<v Speaker 2>and the owner was none the wiser. Emmerick stoles off

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<v Speaker 2>with his stogy. But when the owner went to deposit

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<v Speaker 2>his take for the day, the bank teller noticed something

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<v Speaker 2>the paper. This is why, like my vision is getting

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<v Speaker 2>so bad, and I don't like the progressive lenses. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have my reading glasses on my distance classes. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always one hanging off the front of my I always

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<v Speaker 2>have and then sunglasses distant. But even so I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like Emeric needed glasses. Okay, So it's like if I

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<v Speaker 2>were doing at this point, I'm like, look at this

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<v Speaker 2>cake I decorated with. Oh yeah, so the paper is

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<v Speaker 2>super low quality, super cheap. It's like cheap bond paper

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<v Speaker 2>from the corner store. The green ink wasn't the right shade.

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<v Speaker 2>The silver certificate seal was supposed to be blue and

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't. The lettering was crooked, and there was like

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<v Speaker 2>there's a portrait of our country's first president, George Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently it was laughable mustache. A Secret Service member said

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<v Speaker 2>it was quote poorly executed. Washington's right shoulder blends in

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<v Speaker 2>with the oval background. The left eye is represented by

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<v Speaker 2>a black spot. The right eye is almond shaped. And

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like that Spanish retouched Jesus Fresco. Absolutely a

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<v Speaker 2>door or if I tried carving plate like I would

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<v Speaker 2>get frustrated and just stop caring. That's what happens with me.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, so the serial numbers on the fakes

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<v Speaker 2>were blurry and there were typos. Washington was spelled w

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<v Speaker 2>A H S I N G T O N. How

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<v Speaker 2>had anyone accepted all these questions of America exactly. So

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<v Speaker 2>the bank sees the dollar. But this he's been passing

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<v Speaker 2>these all over look, and the cigar shop had to

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<v Speaker 2>eat the cost. So then that the bank sends the

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<v Speaker 2>bill to the Secret Service. And here's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service had already been getting these imagine yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And as time went on, they got thousands, thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>people accepted this totally garbage bill, and thousands of people

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<v Speaker 2>because Emeric continued his fraud for ten years, for a decade,

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<v Speaker 2>sprink everywhere. Yeah, Secret Service for a decade is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to track down this crappy counterfeitter New Year. They were

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<v Speaker 2>finding him New York, to Baltimore, to Atlanta, to Denver,

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<v Speaker 2>to Seattle. It's like this dollars move message in a

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<v Speaker 2>bottle because we were there to go and then most

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<v Speaker 2>though were all like circulating around the Upper West Side.

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<v Speaker 3>In his neighborhood was a concentration point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. By nineteen forty seven he had passed more than

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand dollars. That's like ninety one thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 2>Small potatoes to the government, but a lot to Emeric.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's pause here. When we come back from these ads.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to tell you about the efforts to catch

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<v Speaker 2>my man, Emeric Emeric Hutener.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm loving this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Counterfeitter of the small and lousiest.

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<v Speaker 3>Orders, totally Johnny counterfeit seed.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him. I don't get I don't love that

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<v Speaker 2>people got stiffed by him, but it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not a dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>I love his MUCKs.

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<v Speaker 3>And they got a story to tell people, like they

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<v Speaker 3>got Thanksgiving what happened Bob? I got one? I got

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<v Speaker 3>this dollar bill that was blue, So I like him.

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<v Speaker 2>The Secret Service did not like him. Yeah, not by

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<v Speaker 2>a long shot. So it was humiliating for them to

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<v Speaker 2>chase this guy for ten years as he passed the

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<v Speaker 2>most ridiculously bad dollar bills, Like they couldn't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>people kept accepting the bills, and then they couldn't develop

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<v Speaker 2>any leads on him.

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<v Speaker 3>Got another one for you stay.

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<v Speaker 2>A Secret Service spokesperson said, quote, what makes it unique

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the threshold, but the denomination of one dollar. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to go to the lengths of a dollar,

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<v Speaker 2>why not go for a larger denomination. Why not go

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<v Speaker 2>for a bigger bang for your buck. It was not

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<v Speaker 2>as if he was passing hundreds of of thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>dollars of currency, and agents you know, come to describe

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<v Speaker 2>them as, quote, the most exasperating counterfeitter of all time

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<v Speaker 2>and the least greedy.

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<v Speaker 3>It loved so great.

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<v Speaker 2>I love him so the Secret Service they opened case

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<v Speaker 2>file eight eighty. Emeric, like his dog, didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>name with them, so they called him mister eight eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Treasury Department they started issuing these circulars to

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<v Speaker 2>all the merchants, warning them about the bills. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>he just keeps cranking them out all throughout the war years,

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<v Speaker 2>cranking them. People kept accepting them. Secret Service gets more

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<v Speaker 2>and more annoyed as each new bad bill is sent

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<v Speaker 2>to them. But like some people didn't send them in there.

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>They thought they were hilarious, and they'd post them by

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<v Speaker 2>the on the wall, by the red doors, imagine, oh yeah, completely.

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<v Speaker 2>And so then what was terrible for Emeric was great

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<v Speaker 2>for the government, which was on December fourth, nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>his apartment building caught on fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay he had to December fourth, nineteen forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was at work and firefighters are battling the blaze.

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<v Speaker 2>They moved their way into Emricks unit, and it's full

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<v Speaker 2>of scrap metal that he collected for sales.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's not like a closed line of dollar bills drying.

0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Clos all this junk. And the firefighters they busted out

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<v Speaker 2>a window and started tossing everything out into the vacant

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<v Speaker 2>lot next door in order to clear the way so

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<v Speaker 2>they could gain access to the burning walls. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's snowing outside as the fire rages. It's

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<v Speaker 2>blanketing all of Emrick's earthly possessions that now lay in

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<v Speaker 2>this like jumbled, charred pile in the dirt. The freezing

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<v Speaker 2>temperatures did nothing to help the firefighters, and the building's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much destroyed and c loses everything.

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:47.840
<v Speaker 5>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes to stay with his daughter and queens

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<v Speaker 2>as he like regroups, he tries to find a place

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<v Speaker 2>to live, you know, put his meager life back together. Zaren, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I want you to picture it. You're

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<v Speaker 2>a twelve year old boy named Johnny Hawthorne who lives

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<v Speaker 2>in New York's Upper West Side. You live at two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred West ninety sixth Street with your family. You have

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<v Speaker 2>a group of boys with whom you run around a

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<v Speaker 2>ragtag bunch, but you're a good kid. It's January thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty eight. You and your pals playing down the

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<v Speaker 2>street from your building in an empty lot, next to

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<v Speaker 2>the burned out shelf of two oh four West ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six steet. You're kicking cans and throwing rocks into the

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.560
<v Speaker 2>burned out husk of a building. The snow that last

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.120
<v Speaker 2>month had coated the ground has mostly melted away. Your

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.520
<v Speaker 2>mom made you bundle up before you went out, but

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you've stuck your mittens in your back pocket, and you're

0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:44.919
<v Speaker 2>getting a little sweaty under your coat and wool sweater.

0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>You and the boys are whipping it up and running

0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:50.679
<v Speaker 2>around the lot when you spot a pile of junk.

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.240
<v Speaker 2>This is a gold mine for you. A pile of treasure,

0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 2>burned up, discarded stuff. This is amazing for a twelve

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 2>year old boy. In this you and your buddies you

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.640
<v Speaker 2>pick through the rubble. You toss most of it aside,

0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 2>flinging the metal away with glee. It feels so good

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to throw stuff o old twisted pieces of metal and

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:15.879
<v Speaker 2>like dented empty cans, a smashed up bird cage sheet,

0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:19.439
<v Speaker 2>or two of old corrugated iron car tire. But then

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 2>you spot something. Two metal plates with images on the

0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.439
<v Speaker 2>front and back of a dollar bill on them, and

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 2>a pile of about thirty dollars. Immediately you know the

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>bills are bogus, so do your friends look stage money.

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 2>One of the meals you and your friend Dicky Beeeler

0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.959
<v Speaker 2>called DIBs on the plates. They look super cool. The

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:42.240
<v Speaker 2>other three boys divide the cash evenly among themselves. They

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 2>put the bills into wads of play gangster, pulling the

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:48.239
<v Speaker 2>cash in their pockets and pretending to smoke cigarettes. You

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>poke around in the pile for a while, but you

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 2>don't find anything more of interest. The zinc plate is

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 2>heavy in your coat pocket. It's getting late, and you

0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.640
<v Speaker 2>need to go home, as to your friends. Just then

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.400
<v Speaker 2>your dad gives a loud wh to you from down

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the block. Gotta run. You and the boys all scattered

0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:08.200
<v Speaker 2>to your respective apartments. Well, what remains of Emeric Utner's

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>life sits strewn around the lot, languishing in the slush

0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and the mud. So Zarah. A couple days later, one

0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 2>of the other boys was hosting a poker game in

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:25.520
<v Speaker 2>this basement. Love I love that he and the other kids,

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they're playing with the fake cat I know. So the

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 2>boys dad happens upon them. He's first wondering like, how

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.679
<v Speaker 2>did you get all that money? And he looks at

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 2>the bills and he sees that they're all bad fakes.

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So the dad takes the money and he goes down

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to the police station. Right the cops knew right away

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 2>that these were some mister eight eighty bills, so they

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>call the Secret Service. They're glad to swoop in, and

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>they interrogate the boys like where did you find these?

0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 2>In the abandoned lot on West ninety six? Like what

0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>else was there? A bunch of junk? Did you see

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 2>any metal plates? Like ones for printing paper? They're like yeah, sure,

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Hawthorne and Dicky Beler took him. So the Secret

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Service is like, dickiye okay, Dicky Beeler, let's find this kid.

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Sounds like a rascal, so he's got he's got a

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 2>name like that, he's gotta be cool. They find Dicky Beler,

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.879
<v Speaker 2>they ask him where the plates were. He's like, I

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 2>don't have him. He's like, I traded him to Johnny

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Hawthorne for a baseball So apparently Johnny wanted the full

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 2>set and he didn't want to play Catcher anymore. So

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the agents they go looking for Johnny Hawthorne. They find

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>him on the school playground. They collared. They asked him

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 2>about the plates, shooting craps, like I don't have them.

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine the Secret Service walks onto a playground

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:46.640
<v Speaker 2>where shooting crab exactly, He's like, what do you want

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 2>during the quarters? So he's like, I don't have the plates.

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I gave him to Bobby Boyle in exchange for a

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Japanese bayonet. They're like, where does Bobby Boyle live. He's like,

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the address, but I'll walk you over there.

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 2>So he walks the agents to Bobby Boyle's place. Bobby

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:08.400
<v Speaker 2>is like, I had the plates, but I traded them.

0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, Johnny Canning gave me a bag of marbles

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>for him, and so it takes someone they had. They're like,

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>out there, does anyone know where Johnny Canning is? They

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 2>find him out playing, and so like the Secret Services

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>looking for these preteens, these.

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Little boys, this black market of green boys, and.

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>So for the marbles. So they find Johnny Canning. He's

0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 2>out playing. He's all stoked to show the agents's plates. Yeah,

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh my god, the plates, yeah, let

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>me show you. And so they go into his room

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and they're covered in green paint and he tried to

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>print his own money, but he tried. He tried to

0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.880
<v Speaker 2>print it on Kleenex, Like God bless. He's like, this

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.159
<v Speaker 2>isn't normal paper for a bill. What do I have

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 2>that's not normal?

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to one of my comic books. What

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 3>else I got?

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 2>So the agents they take the plates and they recognized

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>the shoddy image immediately.

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 3>These are the.

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Mister eight eighties. And so they descend on the burned

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>out building.

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Put them together. I bring money.

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 2>So they all the secret servers they go to the building.

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>That's all, and they can tell by the placement of

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the pile which window had produced all the junk. So

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 2>they go in. They find twenty five more dollars in

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>fake bills. They found tubes of printing ink and the

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>photographic negatives of Federal Reserve notes, and they're all tucked

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 2>away and like spared from the flames. And in the

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>basement of the building they find an old trunk that

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:41.120
<v Speaker 2>contained an additional plate for dollar bills. Those photographic negatives

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 2>they found they were for ten and twenty dollar bills

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that had never been used. Wow, he just wanted to

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 2>see if he could do it. So he's just sticking

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>the singles.

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Maybe from my retirement. Yeah.

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.400
<v Speaker 2>And then obviously, okay, they know the apartment that they're in.

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Landlord who lives here, He gives the name and right,

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh yeah, Emeric and he's staying this

0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 2>daughter over in Queen's All right, let's go. We've been

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>running all over this place.

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Maybe Johnny Hawthorne could say.

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly to give you. So they go out, they pick

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>him up, and he immediately.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Confessed seventy two.

0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 2>I bet yeah, and so. Saint Clair Mcolway, a New

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Yorker columnist who interviewed the agents, wrote, quote, when the

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 2>secret servicemen at last laid eyes on mister eight eighty,

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>they found it hard to believe what their eyes told them.

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 3>What did their eyes tell me?

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 2>The happy looking, little old septagenarian admitted everything and showed

0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 2>no signs of remorse. He had a provoking habit of

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>answering serious questions with absent minded and irrelevant loquaciousness. In

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the course of his rambling, replies. He would pause, look

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>at his inquisitors brightly and gaily, then grin at them toothlessly.

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Hi, William Mac could kill this.

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I love him so much.

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Grinning toothlessly agents, It's like, all right, you.

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Know what I don't I never get to talk to anybody. Oh,

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>let's chat, let's talk about business. Yeah, so they ask him,

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>how long have you been making these guys been catching me?

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, nine or ten years, A long time.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Of course, I admit it. They were only one dollar bills.

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I never gave more than one of them to one person.

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, you know, so while he was one

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>of the most successful counterfeiters in American history, Like, you

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't know it because, like I said, is rents twenty

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>five dollars a month. Okay, he only wore used clothes

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and he never spent more than fifteen dollars a week.

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I kind of guy.

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not living large, he's just living so break times. Eron,

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>let's go print some bills.

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 3>You know I'm on it.

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, The joyous sounds of advertising fill the air, the sweet,

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.239
<v Speaker 2>sweet sounds. You'll be able to taste it flowing through

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>the air.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 3>That's what the counterfeit money's for, for.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Some meal kits. Upon our return, we're going to check

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>in with Emeric and see what the law has in

0:29:55.720 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 2>store for him. Emeric scrappy fella.

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm into him.

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh he's a proud man, a shoddy counterfeitterde.

0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Toothless grin and like holy fruit.

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 2>They love him. He's like a little sprite. So after

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.720
<v Speaker 2>ten years of passing really bad fake bills, gets busted

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 2>by the Secret Service. They don't play. Was he upset

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>about it?

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing no, No, not really.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 2>So at this point he had no wife, no dog,

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 2>his kids are grown and happy. Wasn't motivated by his job.

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.000
<v Speaker 2>He's in his seventies, Like, what did he care if

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 2>he got arrested?

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 3>So what?

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>That's what he says. So he's he's pretty unbothered by

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. In fact, he asked the arresting agents

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 2>on the Sunday that he got arrested if he go

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>to work the next day. He's like, that is junk.

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Ain't gonna pick itself. Then let me back out on

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the story.

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Which work are you talking about? Yeah?

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, So he didn't come completely clean, though, he told

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 2>assistant US Attorney Thomas Murphy, who was in charge of

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the criminal division, that the engraving plates were left in

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 2>the apartment by a previous tenant. Like sure, buddy, Okay.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 3>I found them there. They're so heavy to move.

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>It was there. I was like that when I got there.

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 2>He didn't have a record. All I could find of

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 2>him in the paper was before all this arrest was

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>from the twenties. He was in a little bit of

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>a car accident because he went too fast for conditions

0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 2>and tried to pass another car before sliding out and

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>hitting someone else. So it's like the twenties, so they're

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 2>probably going like fifteen miles an hour. Yeah, basically, So

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.320
<v Speaker 2>he gets this time though he has no record. He

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>gets charged with possession of nine plates for use in

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>making counterfeit bills. Good for him secret service. In their

0:31:57.040 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 2>interviews with his neighbors and like nearby shop, every single

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>one of them only had good things to say about him, really,

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 2>every single one. They all called him pop. Yeah, either

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.480
<v Speaker 2>like he would help anyone in need, he fixed things,

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>he would lend a hand, smiled joe. He was generally

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>just like a good guy to be around.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>A good community member.

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>And so Because of this, the agents asked for leniency

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>in his sentencing. Good, so the judge John Clancy, he

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 2>really liked Emeric. He thought he was sweet, and Clancy

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>had a sense of humor. So he sentenced Emeric to

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>one year and one day in prison and like he

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 2>was facing fifteen to thirty oh his charge. He also

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>imposed a fine of one dollar whatever. He doesn't real Yeah,

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 2>he says it, and the whole courtroom cracks horse. Yeah,

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>it was just great. So Emeric, he's eligible for parole

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 2>after four months and he gets it. Oh. No, he's

0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>super cooperative, he's not greedy, aggressive, and he was up

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 2>in years. That all played a factor while he inside.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.239
<v Speaker 2>He was so charming and sweet that the warden and

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 2>some of the other inmates all chipped in and put

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>together money for him when he left. Oh, like his

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>birthday birthday. Yes, So Emeric takes his kids up on

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 2>their offer to help at last, and he goes to

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>live with his daughter and her family. Secret Service happy

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to put the whole mess behind them. This is what

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Secret Service Chief James Maloney said, quote the capture of

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>this man relieves the Secret Service of a terrific headache.

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because they were calling me Jim Phony, maloney, maloney,

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 3>and I got tired of it.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I've had enough. Nineteen forty nine, The New Yorker columnist

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>wrote a profile of Emeric, and it was first published

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>in The New Yorker later appeared in the book True

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Tales from the Annals of Crime and Rascality. Rascality so

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>good and so the writer captivated by Emeric. Everyone everyone gets.

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>The next year, that article the interview was made into

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a movie called Mister eight eighty Have you anything? Oh,

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to tell you? So. It was billed as

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>a quote gentle romantic comedy about a secret Service agent

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to catch a cold case counterfeiter and the United

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Nations translator, What yeah, Emeric? Is it is? It doesn't

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 2>have enough star power like secret Service, Like we could

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<v Speaker 2>dress him up an dreaper. So where's the thing? That's okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's directed by Edmund Golding and it starred Bert Lancaster,

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<v Speaker 2>what yeah, Dorothy maguire wow, and Edmund Gwen as Emeric

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<v Speaker 2>And they call him Skipper Miller in the movie. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So Gwen, he played Santa in Miracle on thirty fourth Street.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him? And so for Mister eight eighty. He

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<v Speaker 2>won a Golden Globe for that role. He was nominated

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<v Speaker 2>for an Academy Award really for his role in Mister

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<v Speaker 2>e eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Woh, I got a classic to check.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. And what's crazy and ridiculous? Thank you for asking.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know where, Okay, go on, Oh we're getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that he made ten times more on the rights

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<v Speaker 2>to his life story than he did cranking out fake bills.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, isn't that incredible?

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<v Speaker 2>And someone asked him if he would ever return to

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<v Speaker 2>his counterfeiting ways, and he told them no because quote,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't enough money in.

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<v Speaker 3>It, so he was literally printing money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He was the first and to date only person

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of counterfeiting one dollar bills. He passed away in

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<v Speaker 2>January of nineteen fifty five at the age of seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashes are interred in Queens. So Zarin, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I've learned my time with counterfeiting, not

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<v Speaker 3>that I never have gotten into counterfeiting. I've tried, as

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<v Speaker 3>I told you, passing some counterfeit bills I was given

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<v Speaker 3>by Bank of America. But I would say.

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<v Speaker 2>From Bank of America. That reminded me, but yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole art of being a counterfeiter, I actually did

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<v Speaker 3>think about it, not that as a career, but just

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 3>like i'd amuse myself because it's a non violent crime.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 3>You can pick that you're passing them too. It seems fun.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 3>There's like an element of art to it. But like,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I keep up now whenever I see stories.

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<v Speaker 3>And the big thing now is you take the old

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<v Speaker 3>like twenties and the and the fives, and you bleach

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<v Speaker 3>them out and then you print on like one hundred

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.239
<v Speaker 3>dollars bill onto an actual bill right the paper. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But then now because of the bar that they have,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they like hologram strips. Yeah, so now you

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<v Speaker 3>can't do with any of these new bills. It's got

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<v Speaker 3>to be old bills. It's got to be places that

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to be passing. So you got to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, driving out to Utah to a small gas

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 3>station and hoping to pass old bills. But they're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to care. So you really couldn't do it in

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<v Speaker 3>most cities. So it's become something that is almost more

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<v Speaker 3>of an international crime. So people do this and then

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<v Speaker 3>go and like give those money to people in China,

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<v Speaker 3>like we're coming to America, go here's the bills for

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.399
<v Speaker 3>you to go, and they don't know. So that's how

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<v Speaker 3>So it's interesting to see watch your counterfeiting is moving

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<v Speaker 3>because the bills are still valuable to somebody, but just

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<v Speaker 3>now you can't pass them here. But where can you pass?

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<v Speaker 2>We get less and less cash based we're mostly cash.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the other thing is that so much and so

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 3>few people use cash.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta find, like you're saying, you go out in

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 2>the middle of nowhere where they don't have, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't you know, they get more cash.

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<v Speaker 3>Than it's not weird to pass cash. And then also

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<v Speaker 3>anybody who's coming to America, it's easier to give them

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<v Speaker 3>cash because they don't know necessarily what you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>not thinking about it the same all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, because some currencies in other countries you pick

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<v Speaker 2>it up and it feels fake exactly. Yeah. My brother

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<v Speaker 2>I just totally remember that my brother had a fake

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<v Speaker 2>ten and we were in the Burger King drive through

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<v Speaker 2>and they wouldn't take it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh they caught it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've ever worked. I worked a lot of jobs

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<v Speaker 3>where I had to like take money like that as

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<v Speaker 3>a cash register, and I used to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>you can spot them, I used to. I caught a

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 3>number of thigs those Oh yeah, a ton. When I

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<v Speaker 3>was in a Chinese restaurant in La I worked there

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<v Speaker 3>was right on the like Santa Monica. It is near

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 3>basically near an intersections. I made an intersection. There's a

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:11.479
<v Speaker 3>lot of crime that happened, like small type crime perse

0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 3>grabbing and like three people and then getting in a

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 3>car and driving away. But back in the day before

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 3>people were doing that. So you also have people passing bills.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would be sitting there. And the thing is

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 3>that you actually have to hire We've actually talked about

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.879
<v Speaker 3>this people to pass your bills, because otherwise you will

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 3>you can't. You can't be the person who's making You're

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 3>gonna have green ink on your fingers. But other people,

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 3>you know they're going to act suspicious. You needed people

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 3>who don't know they're passing bills. That's the only way

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 3>to do it. Otherwise, you generally look at the bill

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<v Speaker 3>more than anybody else who's giving you money, and so

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.600
<v Speaker 3>it makes it obvious. They're like, oh, I hope it's right. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I learned the verses. If you want to

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 3>pass money, you got a whole eye contact real hard.

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:49.440
<v Speaker 3>The person won't look at the money.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember you and I were in a shop

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<v Speaker 2>once and you went to pay and you handed the

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>bill to the cashier and said, it's don't worry, it's good.

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I made it this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, I tease people at that.

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<v Speaker 2>And she just stared at some people don't think it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's And I was like, also, I like

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.680
<v Speaker 3>doing it because you know, I serve, so sometimes I'd

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 3>have wet money in my pockets and so I pull

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 3>it out and it's wet, and I'm like, oh, no,

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 3>worry about that. I made them. I didn't dry it.

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 3>I made that this morning. Like they almost like look

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 3>at it, like is it really? Like they ball it

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 3>up trying to squeeze the mank out. People are dumb, Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling that's my ridiculous takeaway. But thank you for asking,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh what does.

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<v Speaker 3>Youre ridiculous take away? How about you?

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 2>One? I love Emeric and I love criminals that like his.

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<v Speaker 2>The way he heard people was so minor total a

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<v Speaker 2>dollar bill, but like his whole story and his like.

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<v Speaker 3>And how much he was giving in exchange. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>who he was. He was a good community. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>somebody passing counterfeit.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill love him, love love.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you ever pass the counterfeit ability? Think you can?

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<v Speaker 2>I could get away with it. Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think care?

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I can get you one.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 2>Everyone everyone thinks I'm trustworthy.

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I mean. You're an ideal past.

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<v Speaker 2>People tell me things? Yeah, yeah, you know what else

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<v Speaker 2>I love?

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<v Speaker 3>What else? Do you love? Talk?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, O god, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Went Hey, Elizabeth and Zarin, this is Lucy. Thank you

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<v Speaker 5>so much for bringing doctor John Brinkley to the Ridiculous

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<v Speaker 5>Crime universe. If you want to learn more about him,

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<v Speaker 5>there is a book called Charlotttan by Pope Rock. And

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<v Speaker 5>one other ridiculous fact that you could include or that

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<v Speaker 5>you could learn is I Brinkley had a little league

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<v Speaker 5>team called Brinkley's Goats. So I find that very ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>And uh yeah, wait.

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<v Speaker 2>This amazing Brinkley is the gift that keeps on giving,

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<v Speaker 2>Like every detail Brinkley's Goats. Oh that's amazing. And that's

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