WEBVTT - What's the F*ck It Button? 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.600 Hey, it's sauce on the side episode. I have no 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.639 idea anymore. We're at that point. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:10.600 I know it's in the thirties. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.240 Thirty two, No, oh. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.880 Well thirty thirty three or thirty four. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:18.720 Then it's in the thirties. Look, this is how I 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:19.560 count my age. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.520 Somewhere around there, mom. 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.720 But today we have on a guy named Walla who 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.600 you may not have heard of before. He has a 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.240 podcast with his cousin Gilly the Kid, and he's I 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.120 how would you describe him? 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.400 I think a lot of people would describe him as 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:45.200 like a motivational speaker, maybe even though he's not necessarily 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.680 doing speeches all the time, right, but he's on the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.599 podcast and he's always trying to uplift people, okay through 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.479 his own experiences too, So like, I don't know, I. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.880 Just really like him, Okay, I'm excited to get to 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:57.360 it because I mean, if you don't know his story, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.200 it's a pretty fascinating story. And he has a book 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.880 out now all but long story short, when he was 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.000 like seventeen years old, he went to prison, not even jail, right, 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.200 because he was there for a good amount of time, 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.440 got out, violated his probation went right back and ended 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.520 up doing a good amount of time. So I can 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:15.960 tell you his life story, or you could just listen 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.760 to him tell you his life story. I said, we 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:24.800 get right to it. Thank you Wallow for joining me today. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:27.000 Thank you you go by Wallow Wallow two six seven. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.600 Six seven, just two six seven Wallow. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.399 Two six seven. Where did the two six seven come from? 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:32.520 Because I saw a couple different things. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.400 It come from my prison number, so I could remember 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.120 where I come from where I'm never going back to. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.440 My prison number was DG two sixty seven zero, so 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.920 I took that and added that to it. It really 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:46.080 started with I was in jail and I had a 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.600 legal cell phone, and when I went to go set 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.800 up an Instagram page, somebody had my name Wallow, so 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:53.960 I added two six seven because there's a prison thing, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.680 but it was wind up and then it was also 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:58.240 like the Philadelphia area cool. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:00.600 Just from that, I have so many questions alone, So one, 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.720 let's start with why did you go to prison? For 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.560 the people who might not know a lot about you. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.960 By the way, he's here because he just dropped a 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.280 book armed with good intentions, all about a lot of 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:10.480 stuff that we're going to talk about. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.040 But what got you there? 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.280 Young? Growing up in the city streets in Philadelphia, wanted 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:17.600 to be down. I went to jail for two on 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.000 robberies to fire, on violations, trying to steal the American dream. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.280 You know, So you're seventeen years old when you end 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.360 up going to prison and you got out for a 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.359 quick second, violated parole. What happened? What was the actual 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.799 violation that got you back another Oh so it was 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.880 like a big violation, okay, It wasn't like it was okay. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.320 So then you go back and you end up doing 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.320 twenty fifteen total. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:43.880 Yeah, finally just got out of twenty seventeen. Been out 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:44.800 going on eight years. 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.200 So in that time a whole lot happened as far 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.200 as the world moving. I know you said you try 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:51.639 to set up an Instagram page when you're in jail. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:52.720 I have a lot of questions about how you got. 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.840 To thaw it. This Instagram page was set up in. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.000 It was so you got all your followers. It says 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.519 the day you got out, the day you got freedom, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.279 you got all the followers. So you were actually. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.440 Collecting them when I was in jail in twenty thirteen 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.079 and fourteen. Then when I got out, it started really 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:04.560 going up. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.079 So how'd you get the cell phone? I don't need names, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.040 I don't need anything. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.160 Like that, but you know one of them, you know, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.600 rest in peace. A friend of mine, he had brung 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.760 me a wireless high spot, a clear wireless hogt spot 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.359 in the eyepod touch. That's where it started from. Then 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.880 I graduated to a cell phone. I took that and 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.440 it was like off to the races. I was just 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.280 on social media, just just finding out stuff that I 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.680 was amazed by being in jail so long and understanding 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.040 that you had his phone because I didn't, you know, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.120 it was years before. Then a young kid came to prison, 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:36.560 a younger dude than me, and he was telling me 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:37.160 about Google. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.880 I thought he was lying about Google, yeah, because I'm like. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:41.320 You know, I've been in jail. I don't know what 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:42.600 it is. So he told me, he said, man, I 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.520 could google you. I said, man, how can you google me? 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.120 And I've been in jail because I didn't even just 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.120 the whole idea of that you could type something in 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.800 something and all this information would come back was just like, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.640 that can't be real. I wrote it down in my 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.840 book of life book of life was something that I 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:58.800 always used to write stuff down, and I said, when 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.320 I get out, imna figure this out. So when I 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.560 finally got the wireless hotspot in an I Pod Touch, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.000 I went to Google and I typed my name and 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.440 stuff came up. I dropped the phone because I dropped 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.400 the I Pod because I thought it was like the 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.520 fees was watching and something was going crazy, because I'm like, 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.040 how do they got my information in here? And it's 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.600 just like technolo. I was intrigued by technology ever since then. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:18.400 I was like, I'm on this. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.159 Stuff and you figured it out pretty quickly because you 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.480 start a jour Instagram page. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:22.640 Oh yeah, I figured it out. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.400 How do you even start marketing yourself from a prison cell? 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.440 No, it wasn't really that too much. On air, people 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:29.320 would just follow me that knew me, and its people 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.400 that knew me, and Philly like like knew of me 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.560 from people whatever. I used to put positive quotes up. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.480 But it was really when I got out of prison 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.560 that it really went crazy twenty seventeen because I just 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.440 started doing videos. I used to watch Anthony Bourdein in 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.320 prison religiously, and you know from Anthony Rodeen being on 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.799 drugs and getting his life together to going showing showing 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.360 the world of the world. I was like, yo, man, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.960 I said, imagine if I spose, if I exposed the 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.039 hood to different walks of life, because sometimes the hood 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.360 lack exposure. So I said, if I could do this 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.080 is around. So when I came home, I used to 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.040 do these commercials and I used to go to small 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.479 businesses and do free commercials for them, and then it 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.560 turned into like a business marketing business. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.360 So you didn't have this plan when you got out 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.960 of prison to say hey, I'm going to get into this. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:12.640 It just happened. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.640 I didn't have it planned. It's just that it was 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.440 just the energy and what I seen wasn't there. But 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:19.680 I always seen when I was on social media in 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.200 jail that it wasn't no regular people being amplified. It 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.200 was like you had to be an athlete, you had 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.040 to be an artist, you had to be a star, 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.360 you had to be something. You had to have a 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.960 woman with no clothes on to grab attention. So I 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.320 had to battle with the timeline. So I said, I'm 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.880 a battle with the timeline. And if you see my 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.159 early a lot of my early videos, I'll be running 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.520 across the expressway car laying on the ground with catch 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:42.840 up on the head like I shot. It was a 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.640 bunch of different ones to grab the attention because it's 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.520 a battle on the timeline. It's a battle for attention. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.159 And I realized that attention was a currency. So I said, okay, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.320 let me get this attention and they just start following. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:53.800 Is this your fourth book? 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.839 Yeah, you could say that, But the other books was 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.760 like self published. I just did them. A lot of them. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.920 Books was created by taking posts from my Instagram and 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.520 turning them into stuff. But this is the first official 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:07.040 you know, so this is like. 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.400 We got a publisher. We're on tour the one. How's 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:09.760 it going? 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:11.719 It's going out standing? 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.880 Okay, First of all, if people want to get this book, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.520 where are they going to go? 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.400 They go everywhere and get anywhere books or sold, Barns 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.560 and Noble, Amazon books and books books a million, wherever 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.359 you do anywhere books or sold. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.200 So what's it like going out now and talking about 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.720 all these years of your experience and having to boil 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.120 it down to a half hour an hour and squeeze 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:31.720 it all in there. I mean, I know that your podcaster, 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.039 you also have your podcast million dollars a worth of 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.839 game what you do with your cousin and you're typically 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.880 the interviewer. Was it like being on the other side 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.440 now and getting interviewed by people about this? 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.240 It's relaxing, really, Yeah, it's relaxing. And I ain't got 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.599 to do that, I see, because a lot of times 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.599 I'm working for the audience. I'm trying to get the 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.680 information that they want. I don't work. It's not a 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.160 personal thing for me. I'm trying to pour as much 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.320 information as possible that the viewer could utilize, you know, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.200 I mean, because they probably want to know, but bringing 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.400 it down. I love nanosecond messaging. So I liked the 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.039 fact that coming to half an hour and getting straight 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.760 to the point because people attention spans is short. They 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:13.440 want it straight, Yes, they do, because they're turn and 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.680 be somewhere else, So you gotta get them short, you know, 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:16.480 they gotta be short. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.040 How did you start the podcasting? 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:23.120 Well, I had to show first called Where's Wallow? And 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.200 I used to run around interview people off my phone 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:28.480 in the tripod, interviewed some of the biggest rabbits, big athletes, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.680 all that stuff, and then one day I was just 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.200 me and my cousin. I was it was up early 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.000 in the morning and I seen an article that says 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.160 Spotify allo k four and a million of podcasts in 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.880 the first quarter. It was like twenty nineteen. I woke 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:41.240 him up, I said, read this article. We already had 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.600 traction and we already had eyeballs. So I said, okay, 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.000 we got to put this together. That day, I got 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.000 the you know, the logo drawing up, called my attorney 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.840 sham Lost, I need the trade and processed lls it 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.120 and it was going from there. So we came out 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.920 with our first episode April seventeen, twenty nineteen. Within six months, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.560 we had two deals on the table, one from Spotify, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.360 one from Barstow, and it was on from there and 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:06.760 you want. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.480 With Barstool, right, how's that going? 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:09.760 I was standing watching that. 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.080 So I used to live in Boston before I moved here, 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.120 so I was there when it sort of started as 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.480 like a little little pamphlet. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.480 Yeah, it was like a newsletter. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.400 It's insane how this stuff has grown. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:21.880 I think right now we live in a time whereas 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.720 though everything is possible, not anything everything. You could build it, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.240 but you got to be willing the build it to 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.760 put it, put it, you know, put the time in, 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.040 and if you do that, it's on. 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.480 It seems like you've had. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.079 It's gonna sound weird saying good luck because obviously there 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.360 was a problem before. There was bad luck before. But 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.719 you get out of prison, you decided you're going to 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.120 start marketing. How do you get access to celebrities to 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.240 just start talking to them? What were you doing? 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.960 Everybody loved traffic, everybody love attention, and if you got it, 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.760 you got every key in the game. All you had 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.440 to do is put eyes on yourself. You could get 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.400 eyeballs on you ain't nobody gonna tell you no, and 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.360 then you know, God got me. I got guys who 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.680 God got me? So, you know, is a package deal. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.000 Do you remember the first person that you actually got 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.920 to talk to you and thinking, oh shit, so and 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:04.800 so just spoke to me. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.600 I remember when I first started where As Wallow, The 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.480 first interview I had was Meek Mills when I started 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.839 that show, and Meek always was a support of mine. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.199 He always showed me love, you know what I mean. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.280 But he was one of the first dudes outside of 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.640 my cousin that threw me up on social media. He'd 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.480 be posted one of my stuff and I probably got 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.320 like one hundred thousand followers on like a day. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.000 You say that like it's nothing. You know how much 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.040 people would pay for that, And they do pay for 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.080 it now, which is trash. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.000 But it ain't gonna work, like I don't. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.400 Want it to. But I see things all the time 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.520 and I'm like, those numbers don't match up what is 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:35.439 going on over now? 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.920 It don't is like you know, like a real you 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.920 can have a lot of numbers, but sometimes the likes 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.760 and the followers don't match. Sometimes because you're not paying 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:43.640 for ads. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.400 I know, because they slow you down. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:45.800 It is. 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:47.560 It's the worst. Now. It used to really just be 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.079 about the content and what was there, and now it's 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.480 about what you're gonna pay for and how you're gonna 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.760 elevate it and all that kind of stuff. I digress. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:54.600 It doesn't matter. You're doing a really good job with 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.360 all of this. So you've got your podcast, You've got 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.760 this book that's out now, and in the book you're 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.400 talking a lot about, well, how you want to evoke change, 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.040 you want things to be different for people who came 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:05.600 from the same place as you. How do you go 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.080 about starting that big. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.120 Example, okay, proof of concepts, just showing people like look 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.400 at where I come from, Like I came from the bottom. 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.360 You know you ain't. I don't think too many people 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.280 what's able to reach the level of success coming from 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.320 where I came from. It's hard coming out of prison, 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.439 trying to figure out life. You're scared. You got to 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.320 be a person that you never was before in order 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.080 to maintain your freedom, and you're trying to figure all 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.800 this stuff out. In the process of figuring all that 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.760 stuff out, you need money. You got pressure of get 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.800 the job, you got pressure from family. You got to 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.880 battle with who you want to be. I mean, you 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.400 got a battle with who you used to because you're 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.400 like who used to be? Like yo, come on, like 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.960 what's up? You want to get busy? Then you're like, no, 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.160 I'm different. So it's like as as tall as a 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.720 conversation that's going on, you got to keep battling. And 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.800 it's not just about coming from prison. It's about coming 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.680 from a dark place in life wherever you might be. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.120 And I just want to let you know that you 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.679 could get back up and you got another shot of 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:55.520 life long as you're breathing, because breathing is to win. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.680 Do you have regrets or are you one of the 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.400 people who says everything is a lesson? And I'm where 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.280 I am because everything happened the way that did. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.400 Definitely everything is a lesson. I got regrets of people 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.880 that might have been victims of my crime. But you know, 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.240 you know, from the first kid, I always want to 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.960 you know, you always got to be understanding of that 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.080 people that you might have victimized, you know. But like 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.520 most of my life and how I went, I'm happy 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.280 that it went that way because it made me who 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:21.960 I am today. 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:23.920 No, I know you had a TED talk also, which, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.440 by the way, congratulations. How does one even start to 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:27.960 get a TED talk? And then I have some questions 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:28.320 about the. 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.439 Time I had three TED talks? 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:30.000 You had three? 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.880 Okay, I forget all of them, but it was three 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.000 of them. I know that I had. I forgive my 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.720 brother's killing. The first one, yep. The second one was 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.319 I can't cuss on here, Yeah, you can't fuck it button, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.240 and I was just educating people on how to activate 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:45.679 they fucking button where they stopped worrying about all the 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.680 stuff that don't matter. And the third one was like, Uh, 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.160 I think cell phone is the new parent. Oh, and 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:54.200 I was talking about how the technology is raising the 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.360 kids now. They reached out to me. People reach out 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.360 to you, and it just somebody reached out to me 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.439 and I got the first one. Then it kept rolling. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.040 So your first ted talk, I forgive my brother's killer. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.520 That's very heavy. Yes, it's got to make you feel 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.920 somewhat lighter to do that, does it. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:13.720 Man? That was the greatest thing I ever did in 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.040 my life. I come from a place where revenge is king. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.600 But to let that go and to see more life 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.520 and to be able to live for my brother, live 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.520 for his kids, be there for my family, that was paramid, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:26.440 you know what I mean. So it was like that 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.000 was a great and then I had to worry about 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.560 looking for somebody else trying to be you know, trying 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.000 to do this and that it was just the greatest 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:33.200 feeling in my life. You know. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.640 So on the flip side of that, when you say 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.320 you think about some of the people that were impacted 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.200 by the things that you did, have you reached out 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.760 to any of these people to perhaps seek forgive us. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.640 On the other side, you can't just reach out like 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.160 that because it's laws and stuff. 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:48.800 Okay, that makes sense. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.280 You know, But I always let it be known that 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:53.679 I'm deeply, you know, apologized for what I've done. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.440 Has anyone reached out to you, No, they never reached out. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.360 On the second, ted talk the fucking button. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:12:59.319 What is that? 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.920 Let's talk about fucking button because it sounds entertaining and 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:02.920 interesting and important. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.840 I'm one of the largest owners in the world fucking buttons. Okay, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:08.880 I got so many different fucking buttons on so many 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.839 different levels. I think people care about too much. They 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.200 care too much about people opinions, do, don't know them, 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:16.800 don't like them, and probably they would never even meet. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:18.760 And I think that's what's holding a lot of people back. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.120 They really care. I don't give a fuck. You don't 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.439 have to like me. There's eight billion people on the planet. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:24.800 You think I care that you don't like me? 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:25.560 Sell out? 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.240 You think I care that you one hundred thousand people 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.040 don't like me? So what fuck it? Y'all not gonna 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:31.760 stop me from operating and doing what I got to 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:33.720 do out here. I don't care, you know, And I 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.000 think I was just trying to tell people that a 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.720 lot of people out here is being really is being 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.600 you know, controlled by remote controls that other people have, 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:43.400 which is opinion. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.600 And I think what people don't realize. Also, I don't 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.600 even know if I want to say it. The haters 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.080 get you paid to, it's amazing they do so much 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:50.439 more for. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.040 It, or your marketing team let them work, because once again, 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.080 it's about traffic. It's about attention, even. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.520 If you're just talking about social media. The more people 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.760 talk shit, the more engagement you can anyway, So it's 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.240 amazing you let them fight it out in the comment 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.800 section and you don't even have to do anything. And 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.680 I'm sure you probably don't do it to other people. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.320 What I got to hate for I'm winning exactly. Ain't 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.560 nobody's winning hating. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.240 You said all the time, happy bitches ain't hate and 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:14.280 hating bitches ain't happy. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:14.760 Thank you? 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:26.760 Yes, So now your book again, we're talking about change, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.320 evoking change, things being different. This is a big year 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.640 for change. Obviously, we have an election coming up. Are 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:37.040 you in any way politically active or endorsing anybody at 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:37.480 the moment? 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:38.720 No comments? 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:40.720 Oh so you are? You just don't want to talk 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:41.960 about it? Is that no comment means? 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:43.120 Yeah? 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.880 Okay? So if you could change one thing, because obviously 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.000 you've talked about this before. Coming out of prison is 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.360 a multi layered mission to get back into society, whether 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.320 it's people needing mental help, physical help, getting a job. 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.800 If you could change one thing right now, what would 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.280 be that thing to help people get back on their 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:03.480 fee when they're getting out of prison. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.120 Right now, I got an organization. I just started my 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.800 foundation while two six seventh found OAH Warsdough my organization, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.640 and we're going to be helping juvenile fenders come back, 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.160 get back into get all the resources that I didn't 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.560 have when I was coming up and I was in 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.800 the system. One of the main things that people need 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.320 coming out of prison is employment. Also, you know, like 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:26.640 therapy is multiple things, it's not just one, but employment 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.000 probably will be the first because. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.000 You need a job, which is such a tough thing. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:32.600 Right Because a lot of people who are coming out 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.080 of prison, you want to have faith in them. Maybe 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.640 you shouldn't, maybe you can't, maybe other people have proven 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.280