WEBVTT - The Origins of DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer and

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<v Speaker 1>I love all things tech, and today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start a week long journey to talk about a very

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<v Speaker 1>important agency that relates to technology. In many episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff, I have referenced DARPA, also known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. It is the research arm

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States Department of Defense, and DARPA projects

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<v Speaker 1>have led to some pretty incredible technologies like the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>and autonomous cars spoiler alert for this week. But what

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<v Speaker 1>about the agency itself? What is its history? So in

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<v Speaker 1>the following episodes, I hope to give you guys an

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<v Speaker 1>insight into one of the most secretive organizations in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. This agency hides in plain site, and it

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<v Speaker 1>essentially advertises itself with some of its larger profile projects,

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<v Speaker 1>like the various Grand challenges that lead to things like

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<v Speaker 1>autonomous cars and UH and and more advanced humanoid robots.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll be talking more about some of those in

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<v Speaker 1>my upcoming suite of episodes about autonomous cars. When I

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<v Speaker 1>get into that, I'll cover it a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>these episodes, but I'll go into more detail when we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the autonomous car suite. Ultimately, the purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>DARPA is to make the United States technologically superior to

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<v Speaker 1>other countries. Is to maintain technological superiority, and that includes

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<v Speaker 1>making high tech weaponry and military systems. It is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Defense Department. So while many of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>about DARPA have focused on the Gali g whiz that

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<v Speaker 1>texture is amazing kind of side of things, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>look at the whole picture, which sometimes gets pritty darn grim.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's important to consider both the good

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<v Speaker 1>and the bad. We shouldn't just, you know, focus on

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<v Speaker 1>one at the expense of the other. So to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the climate that would create DARPA, we really need to

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<v Speaker 1>think back to World War Two and the development of

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<v Speaker 1>the atomic bomb. The Manhattan Project took advantage of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most talented physicists and engineers in America, and

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of the development of the atomic bomb,

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<v Speaker 1>which was based off the process of nuclear fission splitting

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<v Speaker 1>the atom, the team also explored the possibility of a

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<v Speaker 1>fusion bomb a k A hydrogen bomb. Now during World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, the Manhattan Project focused mainly on vision bombs

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<v Speaker 1>because a lot more work was going to be needed

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<v Speaker 1>to make a fusion bomb possible. There was work being

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<v Speaker 1>done on that, but it was trailing way behind. It

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<v Speaker 1>was considered to be far more complicated and difficult to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore it was given low priority because of the

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<v Speaker 1>necessity to build a bomb in a wartime environment. So

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<v Speaker 1>some members of the team ended up being opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>working on a fusion bomb, particularly once the atomic bombs

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on Hiroshima, Nagasaki were deployed, because they were worried well.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, the atomic bombs were already bad enough, the

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<v Speaker 1>fusion bomb would be much much more destructive. There was

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<v Speaker 1>even a fear that such a device might ignite the atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>setting setting the atmosphere itself on fire, which would obviously

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<v Speaker 1>kill everyone all over the world after a single detonation.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that you could have a world ending event

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<v Speaker 1>by detonating one of these bombs. But even without that

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<v Speaker 1>doomsday scenario, the thought was that such a bomb would

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<v Speaker 1>cause such widespread devastation that it would by its nature

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<v Speaker 1>wipe out civilian populations that there'd be no dancing around

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<v Speaker 1>it that you could argue, well, these other bombs we've created,

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<v Speaker 1>we meant for military installations, and tragically that also meant

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<v Speaker 1>that civilian populations were affected because of their proximity to

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<v Speaker 1>those military installations. With a fusion bomb, the effect would

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<v Speaker 1>be so large that you couldn't really use that as

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<v Speaker 1>a justification. It was going to affect millions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>So it raised serious ethical concerns among many who were

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<v Speaker 1>working on the Manhattan Project. After World War Two and

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<v Speaker 1>after the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, there was still ongoing

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<v Speaker 1>debate about whether or not any work should be done

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<v Speaker 1>on creating a hydrogen bomb. Then, in nineteen forty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union would conduct its first test of an

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<v Speaker 1>atomic bomb detonation, and that changed things in the US.

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<v Speaker 1>The General Advisory Committee of the US Atomic Energy Commission

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<v Speaker 1>unanimously recommended that the United States not pursue the development

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<v Speaker 1>of a hydrogen bomb. This was all the conscientious objector

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<v Speaker 1>who said such a technology is too terrible to even develop,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone build and deploy. That group would include people

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<v Speaker 1>like Jay Robert Oppenheimer, who was the chairman of the

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan Project. Also Enrico Fermi and Isadore Robbie. They argued

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<v Speaker 1>that the hydrogen bomb would be a weapon so powerful

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<v Speaker 1>that it would just be an evil upon the world

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<v Speaker 1>to build it. But there were other scientists like Edward

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<v Speaker 1>Teller and Ernest Lawrence who were not on the General

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<v Speaker 1>Advisory Committee, but they were in favor of developing a

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<v Speaker 1>hydrogen bomb. They argued that the Soviets would pursue developing

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<v Speaker 1>the hydrogen bomb whether or not the United States did,

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<v Speaker 1>and therefore there would be a gap in in capability

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<v Speaker 1>if the US did not develop it first. There would

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<v Speaker 1>be nothing to stop the Soviet Union from threatening to

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<v Speaker 1>use such a bomb against the US and forced the

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<v Speaker 1>US to surrender, because what country would allow its population

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<v Speaker 1>to be wiped out in such a way if they

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<v Speaker 1>did not have that capability themselves. So President Truman agreed

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<v Speaker 1>with Teller and Lawrence and said that the development of

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<v Speaker 1>a hydrogen bomb should happen in In In nineteen fifty, he

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<v Speaker 1>authorized an official program to develop such a bomb. As

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<v Speaker 1>part of that program, a second nuclear weapons development lab

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<v Speaker 1>would be formed. The original one was the Los Alamos Lab.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where the Manhattan Project tests took place, where the

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<v Speaker 1>atomic bombs were born. The second lab was founded in Livermore, California,

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of California's Radiation Lab, later known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Livermore Lab and later still as the Lawrence Livermore Lab.

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<v Speaker 1>The Los Alamos Group built a bomb based off a

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<v Speaker 1>design that Edward Teller had worked on, and they tested

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<v Speaker 1>this hydrogen bomb in nineteen fifty four. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>proof of concept hydrogen bomb that had been tested two

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<v Speaker 1>years earlier, actually in nineteen fifty two. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller one, but that was based off an impractical design

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<v Speaker 1>for an actual weapon. It was more of a proof

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<v Speaker 1>of concept. This one in nineteen fifty four was a

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<v Speaker 1>working hydrogen bomb. It was part of a test called

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<v Speaker 1>Operation Castle, and it ended up detonating with fifteen mega

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<v Speaker 1>tons of force, which was far far more powerful than

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<v Speaker 1>the group had anticipated. Uh there were stories about during

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<v Speaker 1>the detonation the initial reaction from the observers was one

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<v Speaker 1>of panic that the explosion, because it was so huge

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<v Speaker 1>and the the fire cloud was growing so quickly, that

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<v Speaker 1>there was at least a moment where people began to

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<v Speaker 1>worry that perhaps they had in fact ignited the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 1>and that this was the end. Ended up not being

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<v Speaker 1>quite that bad, but it was much much stronger than

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<v Speaker 1>they had thought. Meanwhile, the Livermore group to which Teller belonged,

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<v Speaker 1>had failed to deuce a working nuclear bomb. When the

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<v Speaker 1>lab was at risk of being shut down, Teller and

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<v Speaker 1>his team presented designs for a mega super bomb. This

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<v Speaker 1>would be capable, according to the design, of delivering a

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand megaton yield. Keep in mind, the big one

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<v Speaker 1>that was so big that the scientists were scared of

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<v Speaker 1>it was fifteen mega tons. Teller's proposal was for a

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand mega ton hydrogen bomb. A single bomb of

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<v Speaker 1>that power would be capable of wiping out an entire continent,

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<v Speaker 1>not just a region, an entire continent with one bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>HERB York, who was a member of this team, would

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<v Speaker 1>later explain the reasoning for that design. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>the US had to employ a really aggressive research and

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<v Speaker 1>development practice to maintain its technological advantage against adversaries, and

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<v Speaker 1>that this unfortunately also meant an escalation of an arms race,

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<v Speaker 1>but that without it, the U s would be endanged

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<v Speaker 1>of being vulnerable to enemy attack. The Livermore Lab would

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<v Speaker 1>continue developing bomb technology, particularly after the Soviet Union tested

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<v Speaker 1>its first hydrogen bomb, and the nuclear arms race was

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<v Speaker 1>picking up speed very very quickly, and the Livermore Group

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<v Speaker 1>was relying upon computer systems based off John von Neumann's

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<v Speaker 1>designs to speed things up. I talked about him very

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<v Speaker 1>recently and in tech stuff. Meanwhile, as engineers were finding

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<v Speaker 1>new and exciting ways to potentially kill millions of people,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes that's me being sardonic, there there was a

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<v Speaker 1>growing concern about what the citizens of the United States

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<v Speaker 1>could do in the event of a nuclear strike on

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<v Speaker 1>the US. So the US had formed a Civil Defense Agency,

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<v Speaker 1>but it became clear early on, at least to the

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<v Speaker 1>people running that agency, that the options open to US

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<v Speaker 1>if a nuclear strike were to be carried out against

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<v Speaker 1>the United States would be limited at best and completely

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<v Speaker 1>ineffective at worst. Concern and fear about nuclear war was

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<v Speaker 1>growing as the Cold War continued. Some people like von Neumann,

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<v Speaker 1>felt that a nuclear confrontation was pretty much a guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in the future. Now it was that

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy that would become a cornerstone of DARPA. But the

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<v Speaker 1>historical event that would really lead to DARPA's founding happened

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<v Speaker 1>on October fourth, nineteen fifty seven. That's when the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union successfully launched Sputnik, the first man made satellite to

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<v Speaker 1>go into orbit around Earth. Sputnik was transmitting a simple

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<v Speaker 1>signal over radio waves, which meant the US didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to take the Soviets at their word about launching a

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<v Speaker 1>satellite into orbit. They could pick it up themselves. Ham operators,

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<v Speaker 1>even amateur ones, could pick up the beeping transmission as

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<v Speaker 1>the satellite passed overhead. In fact, my old co host

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Palette would refer to spot Nick as the ball

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<v Speaker 1>what beeps. Spot Nik was launched from an intercontinental ballistic

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<v Speaker 1>miss SOUL and ICBM, and while spot Nik was a

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<v Speaker 1>primitive and limited satellite couldn't do much other than transmit

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<v Speaker 1>this signal, it did mean the Soviets would be able

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<v Speaker 1>to launch payloads across the world to hit a distant

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<v Speaker 1>target such as the United States, and those payloads might

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<v Speaker 1>include something like a hydrogen bomb, and the US population

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<v Speaker 1>was beginning to panic. For years, Americans were convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>their country was well ahead of all others scientifically and technologically,

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<v Speaker 1>and in military matters as well. But the Soviets had

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<v Speaker 1>launched a satellite first, and now that belief in America's

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities was shaken, and that anxiety that citizens were feeling

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<v Speaker 1>was shared by branches of the US military. The Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force and the Navy were both developing long range missiles

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<v Speaker 1>that could be used for weapons or for sending payloads

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<v Speaker 1>to space. The American approach to developing this technology was fractured.

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<v Speaker 1>These branches were working independently to varying greece of success,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas in the Soviet Union it was more focused. Although

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<v Speaker 1>changes at the top of the administration level would make

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<v Speaker 1>setbacks happen in that country, but let's focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. So the nationwide anxiety in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>States grew. On December twentieth, nineteen fifty seven, President Eisenhower

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<v Speaker 1>had previously rejected a report that had the title Deterrence

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<v Speaker 1>and Survival in the Nuclear Age, better known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Gaither Report after h Rowan Gaither, one of the people

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<v Speaker 1>who was working on the panel that produced it. This

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<v Speaker 1>report concluded that there was no effective way to protect

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<v Speaker 1>US civilians from a nuclear war in the case of

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<v Speaker 1>an all out strike from the Soviets, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>United States should produce more nuclear warheads to act as

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<v Speaker 1>a deterrent to say, you don't want to attack us,

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<v Speaker 1>because we'll attack you back, and we'll destroy each other.

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<v Speaker 1>This is that mutually assured destruction strategy. The report also

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<v Speaker 1>warned that the Soviet Union was possibly on the verge

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<v Speaker 1>of producing thousands of I c b ms that might

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<v Speaker 1>deliver a nuclear payload across the world, but Eisenhower knew

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the case. He knew something the expert panel

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know because he had access to top secret spy

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<v Speaker 1>information from You two spy planes, which were still highly

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<v Speaker 1>classified at that time. No one outside of a small

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<v Speaker 1>group of people knew that they even existed, but Eisenhower didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He also knew that information from those You two spy

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<v Speaker 1>planes had shown the Soviets were not ramping up for

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<v Speaker 1>an all our assault. They were not building out an

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure at a furious pace the way the reports suggested.

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<v Speaker 1>So he rejected this report. He said, this, this does

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<v Speaker 1>not reflect reality. But then someone leaked that report to

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post, which then published parts of the report,

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<v Speaker 1>and the subsequent articles sent the United States public into

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<v Speaker 1>a panic that made the Spotnik event look tiny in comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>People were freaking out. The president saw the need for

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<v Speaker 1>action on multiple fronts, including in research and design and innovation.

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<v Speaker 1>So he turned to an unlikely hero. He turned to

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who invented soap operas. I'll explain more in

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<v Speaker 1>a second, but first let's take a quick break to

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<v Speaker 1>thank our sponsor. So the person that we often credit

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<v Speaker 1>as being the inventor or the father of the soap

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<v Speaker 1>opera was Neil H. McElroy, who had been president of

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<v Speaker 1>the consumer goods company Proctor and Gamble. He had started

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<v Speaker 1>off in advertising at the company before he rose to

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<v Speaker 1>the role of president, and in his career he made

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<v Speaker 1>several innovative changes in the way the company would market

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<v Speaker 1>to consumers, including creating ads designed to run during daytime television.

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<v Speaker 1>Because his research showed that many women in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States were watching daytime TV, so he decided that each

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<v Speaker 1>product within Procter and Gamble would have its own marketing

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<v Speaker 1>team creating ads aimed at women to air on daytime TV,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would be inserted into shows that would have

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing storylines from show to show soap operas. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>he directed those teams to uh do this, and they did,

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<v Speaker 1>and he sold a lot of soap. In his own words,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty seven, just two days after Sputnik went

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<v Speaker 1>into orbit, he was sworn in as the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>Defense in President Eisenhower's administration, an interesting move to go

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<v Speaker 1>from president of Procter and Gamble to the Secretary of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>McIlroy proposed that the United States form a new agency

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<v Speaker 1>called the Advanced Research Projects Agency or ARPA. The DARPA

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<v Speaker 1>name would come later, and go and then come back

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<v Speaker 1>again anyway. McIlroy's vision was for an agency that would

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<v Speaker 1>oversee scientific and technological research and development in multiple fields

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<v Speaker 1>and applications, all with an eye towards securing the United

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<v Speaker 1>States as the most technologically advanced and capable country in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. He was advocating that the U s invest

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<v Speaker 1>not just in the immediate crisis of answering the Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>displays of technological capabilities and the uh space race that

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<v Speaker 1>would soon follow, but also to constantly work toward the

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<v Speaker 1>future of innovation, not just to focus on a single

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<v Speaker 1>problem and once that was solved, to finish, but to

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<v Speaker 1>be an ongoing concern. The agency's job was to future

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<v Speaker 1>proof weapons and defense technologies. McIlroy's proposal one support from politicians,

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<v Speaker 1>but it won a lot of criticism from military officers.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of what McIlroy was proposing was using area to

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<v Speaker 1>advance the US's efforts to exploit outer space, and the

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<v Speaker 1>various branches of the armed forces all claimed that that

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<v Speaker 1>was their domain. They didn't want to surrender it. They

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<v Speaker 1>all had their own projects in line, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>worried about money being diverted from their efforts into some

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<v Speaker 1>other one. They were thinking it was all going to

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<v Speaker 1>dilute the field. The Joint chiefs of Staff didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see this agency form, but Eisenhower, who himself was

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<v Speaker 1>a former five star general, was out of patients. He

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<v Speaker 1>did not like the constant disagreements between the various military branches,

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<v Speaker 1>or the fact that different branches were independently pursuing similar

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<v Speaker 1>goals but not sharing resources. He felt there was too

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<v Speaker 1>much waste, not enough focused, enough cooperation, and so on

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<v Speaker 1>January seven, nineteen fifty eight, Eisenhower authorized a budget to

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<v Speaker 1>McElroy for the founding of our PA. Now, the initial

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<v Speaker 1>budget for the founding was about ten million dollars, but

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of nineteen fifty nine, the first full

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<v Speaker 1>year of our PA really running projects, it would have

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<v Speaker 1>a budget of more than half a billion dollars, which

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteen fifties was an incredible, incredibly huge

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money. It's huge. Now, don't get me wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not refuse half a billion dollars, but back

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty nine that was even more of an enormous,

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<v Speaker 1>unimaginably huge sum Eisenhower revealed the need for ARPA to

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<v Speaker 1>the United States and his nine State of the Union address,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, we need an organization dedicated to this pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of innovation. He laid out the case, and he simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>casted a lot of shade on the top officials of

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<v Speaker 1>the various military branches. There was a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>reprimand in that State of the Union address. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 1>U S Army was preparing to answer the U S

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<v Speaker 1>s RS spot Nick with the launch of the first

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<v Speaker 1>U S satellite called Explorer one. Now, unlike spot Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>which really just orbited the Earth and beeped a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>the Explorer one was packed with instruments meant to do

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<v Speaker 1>some serious research. And the Explorer one would detect the

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<v Speaker 1>Van Allen radiation belts around the Earth, making it the

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<v Speaker 1>first space instrument to produce a major discovery, but Eisenhower

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<v Speaker 1>felt the task of developing, building, launching, and administering space

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<v Speaker 1>missions should not fall to the army, so that would

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<v Speaker 1>be at least initially part of ARPA's domain. To head

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<v Speaker 1>up the new ARPA agency, McElroy would name Roy W.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson as director. Johnson had been a vice president of

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<v Speaker 1>General Electric, and the deputy director would be Rear Admiral

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<v Speaker 1>John Clark. McIlroy whittled down the list of candidates for

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<v Speaker 1>chief Scientists to two people. One of those two people

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<v Speaker 1>was Herb York, the guy who was part of Edward

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<v Speaker 1>Teller's team. The other was Werner von Brown, the German

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<v Speaker 1>scientist who had been a prominent figure in Germany's rocketry

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<v Speaker 1>program during World War Two. The United States had brought

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<v Speaker 1>Von Brown over as part of Operation paper Clip, in

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<v Speaker 1>which the United States would put to work many former

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi scientists on US projects. Not all those scientists were

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily sympathizers with the Nazis, I should add some of

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<v Speaker 1>them probably were, but not all of them were. But

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<v Speaker 1>all of them ended up being put to work in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, and or at least all the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>the US picked up and Van Brown had a condition

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<v Speaker 1>that if he were to be offered the role of

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Scientists over at ARPA, he also wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 1>over a dozen or so of his peers who had

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<v Speaker 1>been brought over an Operation paper Clip, and ultimately McElroy

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<v Speaker 1>decided that this was probably not a good move for

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<v Speaker 1>the young agency. It might look really bad to have

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<v Speaker 1>a government agency merely completely staffed with former Nazi scientists,

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<v Speaker 1>so he chose to put herb York in the role

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<v Speaker 1>of chief Scientists instead. The two major areas that ARPA

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<v Speaker 1>would initially focus on were military space activities and anti

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<v Speaker 1>missile strategies. Essentially, how can the US rapidly match the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviets capabilities while simultaneously counteracting any possible advantage they might

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<v Speaker 1>have attained over the United States? And it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a good time to talk about how the agency worked

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<v Speaker 1>in general. So our path is not some big, super

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<v Speaker 1>secret laboratory with scientists and engineers pouring out various liquids

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<v Speaker 1>into other various liquids, or running electricity through stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>shouting it's alive. It's more like an RFP and funding operation.

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<v Speaker 1>So an RFP as a request for proposal. It's where

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<v Speaker 1>an organization states a goal that it wants to achieve,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some general guidelines on how it it assumes this

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<v Speaker 1>goal will be achieved, and then invites qualified organizations or

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<v Speaker 1>individuals to apply to be part of this project, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>to receive funding from our PA in order to pursue

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<v Speaker 1>these goals and to achieve them. So with our path,

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<v Speaker 1>these were proposals to develop technologies that would contribute to

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<v Speaker 1>the defense of the United States in some way, shape

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<v Speaker 1>or form. These r fps can arrange from very specific

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<v Speaker 1>to extremely broad. Our PA tends to work with research facilities, universities,

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<v Speaker 1>and defense contractors a lot. The agency can set parameters

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<v Speaker 1>and collaborate with these parties, but ultimately it exists to

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<v Speaker 1>a minister those programs. And a lot of stuff was

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<v Speaker 1>happening all at once at this time. In fact, this

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<v Speaker 1>episode and the next one in particular, are going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of concurrent things happening. And it's because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to jump around. If I were to

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<v Speaker 1>go just chronologically, I would have to switch gears so

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<v Speaker 1>frequently that it would be Oh and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember when I was talking about twenty minutes ago

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<v Speaker 1>about such and such, Well, here's what was happening then,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought that would be too confusing, so instead

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to try and focus project by project. In general,

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<v Speaker 1>so ARPA was gearing up to develop space technologies and

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<v Speaker 1>an umbrella of programs dedicated to bringing down missiles that

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<v Speaker 1>was called Project Defender that was starting to shape up.

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<v Speaker 1>That would become the biggest project of ARPA at least

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<v Speaker 1>in those early years. But while all that was going on,

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<v Speaker 1>President Eisenhower was also exploring the possible ability of a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear test ban. The fallout, both literal and figurative, of

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<v Speaker 1>the Castle Operation tests was catastrophic, and things were bound

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<v Speaker 1>to get worse as both the US and the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union continued to build up nuclear arsenals and test nuclear warheads.

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<v Speaker 1>Eisenhower wanted to arrive in an agreement with the USSR

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<v Speaker 1>and with Khrushchev to bring nuclear weapon tests to an end,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was a big concern what if one side

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<v Speaker 1>stuck to the agreement while the other one didn't. How

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<v Speaker 1>could the United States be certain that the Soviets would

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<v Speaker 1>stay true to such an agreement. And so one of

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<v Speaker 1>the big projects that area would launch, in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the Defender and military space projects, would be called VILA

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<v Speaker 1>v E l A. Now, the purpose of VILA or

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<v Speaker 1>VELA if you prefer, was to create systems that could

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<v Speaker 1>detect a nuclear weapons test. VILA had three sub programs.

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<v Speaker 1>They were codenamed Hotel, Uniform, and Sierra. These programs sought

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<v Speaker 1>to design and build technology that could detect a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>explosion through atmospheric sensing or seismic sensing, so in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>testing for radioactive isotopes that are perhaps airborne, or looking

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<v Speaker 1>for any tremors in the Earth that could indicate the

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<v Speaker 1>detonation of a nuclear warhead. That way, the United States

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<v Speaker 1>could say, hey, we picked up the evidence that you

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<v Speaker 1>in fact did detonate nuclear war warhead despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we've agreed to this. This test band back to

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<v Speaker 1>space for a second. So ARPA came into being shortly

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<v Speaker 1>before NASA. ARPA NASA both were launched figuratively speaking, the

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<v Speaker 1>same year nineteen. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration became

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<v Speaker 1>official on October one, nineteen fifty eight, so several months

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<v Speaker 1>after ARPA had begun. ARPA, therefore was the agency responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for overseeing the development of space technologies like launch vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>for those first several months, and ARPA began to fund

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<v Speaker 1>programs dedicated to developing different types of rockets. One of

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<v Speaker 1>those was designed from vor von Brown's team. Von Brown

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<v Speaker 1>had led the development of a booster rocket technology that

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<v Speaker 1>his team called the Juno five. This design, which was

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<v Speaker 1>never built as the actual design was made, would find

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<v Speaker 1>itself it's it's design would find itself as the basis

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<v Speaker 1>for future rockets. It was a multi stage approach and

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<v Speaker 1>essentially it evolved into what would become the Saturn launch vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to the Juno five program, ARPA authorized the

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<v Speaker 1>development of a liquid oxygen slash hydrogen upper stage rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>This one was called Centaur, and the upper stage design

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<v Speaker 1>would become part of launch vehicles like Atlas the Titan three.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Titan four, it was intended to fly on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturn launch vehicles, but that never actually happened. While ARPA

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<v Speaker 1>began those programs, the agency would eventually transfer them over

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<v Speaker 1>to NASA in nineteen fifty nine as that agency began

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<v Speaker 1>to take on the role of developing the non military,

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<v Speaker 1>civilian US space program. I've got more to say about

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<v Speaker 1>the earliest days of Darba, but before I get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take another quick break to thank our sponsor. Before

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<v Speaker 1>I jump off the topic of space for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>another ARPA initiated project I should mention is the Television

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<v Speaker 1>and Infrared Observations Satellite Program or TYROS t I r

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<v Speaker 1>O S. TYROS would be the prototype satellite for weather reporting, research,

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<v Speaker 1>and forecasting. It grew out of an older Army project

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<v Speaker 1>called Janus, which is making me think of James Bond

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<v Speaker 1>type stuff. But the project was not just about sussing

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<v Speaker 1>out the technology we would need to design and build

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve the goal. It was also about the process

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<v Speaker 1>of bringing together all the pieces that you would need

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<v Speaker 1>to make it happen, which included scientists, engineers, contracting firms,

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<v Speaker 1>federal agencies. So it was a real practical test of

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<v Speaker 1>the administration side of URPA, not just its scientific prowess,

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<v Speaker 1>but how could it bring together all these different components

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<v Speaker 1>to work towards a unified goal. It was really complicated.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's one thing to build brand new technology that

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<v Speaker 1>no one's made before, but it's another to navigate all

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<v Speaker 1>the various bureaucracies in the academic, industrial and political worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>TYROS would become the first weather satellite to be placed

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<v Speaker 1>in orbit, and it happened on April first, nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>It sent back messages as a television signal to a

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<v Speaker 1>ground station at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey. The mission wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>meant to last a super long time. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say Tyros was an operation for like seventy six days,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the course of those seventy six days it

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<v Speaker 1>would send back twenty two fifty two images via TV

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<v Speaker 1>signal back to Earth. In addition to transferring the civilian

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<v Speaker 1>based space projects to NASA, ARPA would transfer the military

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<v Speaker 1>projects to the various branches of the U. S Military,

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<v Speaker 1>which of the agency to focus on other programs like

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear test detection technology of the Vela project and the

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<v Speaker 1>anti missile technologies in the Defender project. So in order

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<v Speaker 1>to counteract missiles, first you gotta know where those missiles are.

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<v Speaker 1>So before McElroy and Eisenhower had established ARPA, the President's

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Science Advisory Committee produced a report calling for the need

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<v Speaker 1>for technologies that could detect, track, and identify a large

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:30.439
<v Speaker 1>number of objects moving at high altitudes and speeds. In

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>n ARPA would respond to that need by holding a competition,

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and the goal was to design a two dimensional phased

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>array radar that had automatic beam steering control. Now that

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.520
<v Speaker 1>sounds complicated, but the basic idea is actually pretty simple

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 1>to grasp. Radar sends out radio waves and then it

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>listens for the returning echoes after the radio waves have

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 1>bounced off something and come back to the transmitting area

0:28:55.800 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 1>for being received by a new antenna. The timing on

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>those echoes you know how long it went out versus

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>came back, and the frequency of the returning waves will

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>tell the radar operator how far away something is and

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>whether it's moving toward or away from the radar station.

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>The thing about waves, though, is that you can combine

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>them in different ways to either boost the signal in

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>certain directions or to cancel out the signal in certain directions.

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Noise canceling headphones do this, so we're going with sound

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>waves here instead of radar waves or radio waves, but

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>stick with me. Noise canceling headphones will produce sound waves

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that are in one eighty degrees out of phase with

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>incoming noise. So if you were to graph out the

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>sound waves of the ambient noise in the room, you

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>would have peaks and valleys. Right, you've seen sound waves

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>or depictions of sound waves before, the noise cancelation technology

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>will produce troughs and peaks that are in one degrees

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>out of phase, so the peak on one on the

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>ambient sound will match up with the trough of the

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>sound produced by the noise canceling headphones, and ultimately those

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>two opposing waves cancel each other out. The phased array

0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>would do something similar. You would have a transmitter or

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>lots of transmitters actually sending out a signal to a

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 1>series of radar antenna. Between the transmitters and the antenna,

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you would have a phase shifter which can change the

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 1>signal slightly before it gets to the respect of antenna.

0:30:30.920 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>The phase shifters are controlled by a computer, and the

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>computer runs calculations so that the phase of the signals

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>going to each antenna are such that the computer can

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>electronically steer the direction of the radar beams. That eliminates

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>the need to actually physically turn the antenna. You don't

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>need to mechanically move them at all. Using the physics

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of waves, the computer can strengthen the signal in certain

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>directions and eliminate it in others, effectively pointing the beam

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>electronically just by tweaking those phases. It's pretty cool. The

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>project became known as the Electronically Steered Array Radar or

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 1>s R E s a R. It was a success.

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>The Bendix Corporation built it and it was a proven technology.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Star would lead to the development of the FPS eight

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>five and extremely powerful radar that became part of the

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Space Track system overseen by the Air Force. The FPS

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>E D five is thirteen stories tall. The radar consists

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 1>of five thousand, one hundred thirty four transmitters, four thousand,

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>six hundred sixty receivers, five thousand, nine hundred twenty eight

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>transmitter antennas. It's truly enormous. Construction on the FPS A

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>D five began in nineteen sixty two. It was meant

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 1>to go into operation in nineteen sixty five, but there

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>was a fire at the facility that pushed everything back

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't ready to go until nineteen sixty nine.

0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>But it can track up to two hundred objects simultaneously.

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.200
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen sixty ARPA and the c i A partnered

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to fund another program. This one was called Corona, which

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>used to be a top secret classified project that's since

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>been declassified. Now it's no surprise as to why it

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 1>used to be top secret. Corona was a series of

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>spy satellites. The original Corona satellite was the first imaging

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>reconnaissance satellite, meaning it would take actual photographs of the

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>areas that would pass over to collect intelligence on behalf

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>of the United States. So the idea was you would

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>make this satellite. It was only designed to go into

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>orbit for a relatively short amount of time, going over

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>the Earth maybe a dozen two dozen times, collecting images

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>as it goes along, and then ejects a capsule that

0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>contains the film because it was actually shot on film.

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>They used a film camera and have that returned to

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Earth where the United States military officials would retrieve it,

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and then you could go over all the images. So

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the early history of Corona actually predates the founding of

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>our PA. The US recognized the need to develop reconnaissance

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>satellites in the nineteen fifties. The YOU two spy plane,

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>which was effective over much of the world, was not

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>as useful when it came to the Soviet Union because

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the USSR had developed high quality radar systems capable of

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>picking up the U two. So initially the hope was

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.719
<v Speaker 1>that the YOU two would only be needed for a

0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>year or so before a satellite solution could take its place,

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 1>because the satellite would pass at an altitude so great

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that radar would probably not be able to pick it up.

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>But setbacks and bottlenecks kept all of that from happening quickly,

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and so the YouTube had to stay in operation longer

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>than they had intended, including over the USSR and whenever

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 1>soviets would detect a YouTube that would raise danger of

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>a confrontation, one that might begin with shooting down a plane,

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>possibly end with escalating tensions, and it could potentially result

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>in armed conflict. So there was a need to find

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>a sneak kere way to spy on people. On May one,

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty the U S s R did shoot down

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>a YouTube plane, which justified those fears that people had

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>had in the fifties. By that time, the Corona project

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>had been in development for quite a bit but had

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>yet to have a successful flight. Now I could do

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>a full episode about Corona in the future. It was

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>a fascinating project, but we're gonna skip ahead a little bit.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>So the project had numerous early failures. You had one

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>attempt was a misfire on the launchpad. Three attempts failed

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to achieve orbit to went into orbit, but the orbit

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was considered highly eccentric, in other words, not useful. UH.

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>One of them prematurely ejected its film capsule, which was

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.640
<v Speaker 1>again meant to res atmosphere for a retrieval uh. But

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>there was another one that just the camera failed completely.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 1>One of them the camera worked for a short while

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>but failed nearly immediately afterward. So from teen fifty eight

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 1>until nineteen sixty, the Corona project was a series of

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>misfortunes and failures, ranging from near success to total catastrophe.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.280
<v Speaker 1>This was the case until essentially August of nineteen sixty.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>ARPA and the CIA had provided the funds needed to

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>push to actual success. So while the project predated Arba,

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>ARPA was able to put funds to it to keep

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.879
<v Speaker 1>it going long enough for the team to actually get

0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>it to work. So in August nineteen sixty, the Discoverer

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 1>thirteen spacecraft was a successful proof of concept. Discoverer, by

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>the way, was the public cover name for the Corona

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>classified missions, so the United States would admit that it

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>was launching a payload into space. It was kind of

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>hard to cover that sort of stuff. Up and they

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>called it Discoverer, and they claimed it was a scientific

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>research satellite, but in fact it was a reconnaissance satellite.

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.959
<v Speaker 1>So the Discoverer thirteen had a successful launch. I guess

0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>that's ironic that it was thirteen and was lucky. It

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.839
<v Speaker 1>orbited the Earth several times, it ejected its return capsule successfully.

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>The return capsule was retrieved, even though it landed hundreds

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of miles away from where they had planned it to go.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But this particular satellite didn't have a camera aboard. It

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.800
<v Speaker 1>was really just a diagnostic flight to see if the

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:25.399
<v Speaker 1>tweaks that had been made to the spacecraft would actually work. Uh.

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>The hardware was delivered directly to the Smithsonian and the

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>well first the President, then the Smithsonian after retrieval, because

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>there was no need to cover it up. The secret

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>spy stuff hadn't been part of it. So everyone just thought, oh, well,

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 1>that's cool. We shot something up into space and then

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>we were able to retrieve it. That would obviously be

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 1>an important component when we get to the point when

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>we were ready to send people up there. So everyone

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of bought that this was a step toward putting

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>people in space. In reality, the Discover fourteen project, the

0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.920
<v Speaker 1>one to follow of the first successful flight would be

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the first to capture actual images on a successful launch

0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>that happened on August eighth, nineteen sixty, It carried a

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty pound load of film. It made seventeen orbits of

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the earth, including seven flyovers of Soviet territory, and it

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:20.080
<v Speaker 1>took numerous images. In fact, it took enough images that

0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>it produced more than all the YouTube missions that had

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>ever flown over the Soviet Union up to that point combined,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>but at a lower resolution. The resolution was somewhere around

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.480
<v Speaker 1>forty feet, meaning that was the smallest it could image,

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>so not super sharp pictures. Well, that wraps up this

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.360
<v Speaker 1>first episode about DARPA the origins of DARPA. We have

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>tons more to cover, and I hope you will join

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<v Speaker 1>me for the next few shows where we look more

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<v Speaker 1>into the UH, the history and evolution of the agency

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the technologies it was instrumental in pion

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