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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen

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Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer A Niez Williams.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. Time in Niez Williams.

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Speaker 1: Doing Super Bowl Week in Minneapolis, the NFL gathered a

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Speaker 1: collection of national Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year

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Speaker 1: Award winners for a discussion about social responsibility. The form

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Speaker 1: was hosted by two thousand seven NFL Man of the

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Speaker 1: Year in Hall of Famer Jason Tiler and included Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame running back Frank o'harris, Buccaneers Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: linebacker Derrick Brooks, and current Panthers Pro Bowl linebacker Thomas Davis.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen. In two thousand seventeen was a big year

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Speaker 1: for the NFL in a lot of ways, And as

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Speaker 1: far as social responsibility, that's gonna be our first topic

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Speaker 1: of social responsibility. And players really use their platform to

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Speaker 1: take a stand and standing up for what they believed in.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's incombent on us to do so

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Speaker 1: in in in certain ways. And everyone was about that differently,

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Speaker 1: and I want to talk to as Franco. First, you know,

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Speaker 1: you grew up and kind of came of age in

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Speaker 1: the sixties where social change and social issues were really

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Speaker 1: prevalated and very very important. You know, how do you

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Speaker 1: see how did you handle that at that day and

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Speaker 1: age where there were so many things being changed? And

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Speaker 1: then how do you view what's going on nowadays? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. During the sixties, Wow, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot going on. So people talk about today, I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: she just in the sixties, it was um I was

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Speaker 1: a freshman in nineteen sixty, in ninety a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff going on, civil rights, women rights, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: you know, the the Vietnam War. You know, all sorts

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Speaker 1: of stuff was going on, and and the coaches had

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Speaker 1: to deal with it. And one thing that Joe Paterno said,

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Speaker 1: he said, listen, you're in college and we want you

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Speaker 1: to experience things, but just don't do anything to embarrass

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Speaker 1: the team. Go out and learn stuff, go out and

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Speaker 1: you know, and see what's going on. But remember you still,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're part of a football team. And so

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Speaker 1: for me being a freshman and in my sophomore year,

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Speaker 1: I went to all these rallies and all these sort

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Speaker 1: of things. Even they took over the you know, old

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Speaker 1: and and I just wanted to experience, uh, what was

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Speaker 1: what was going on? They had so many groups that

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Speaker 1: very interesting times and I'm so glad that I was

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Speaker 1: able to to experience that, and that did have an

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Speaker 1: effect on me as I went forward. Derek Well, I

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Speaker 1: think when uh I talked about those experience that Franco

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Speaker 1: was talking about with UH the elder members of my family,

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Speaker 1: I draw the connection to what we're going through now

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Speaker 1: is care and people cared enough about the issues at

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Speaker 1: hand that are personal to them, and now we just

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Speaker 1: have more means to show that care. Back then, obviously

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Speaker 1: the only means primarily was through demonstrations, and through demonstrations

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Speaker 1: you had media coverage. Were Now media coverage is walking

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Speaker 1: around in our hands with the phone, so you can

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Speaker 1: get instant coverage about anything, UH, particularly you care about.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I see the similarities and how people

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Speaker 1: care again depends on the background and the diversities that

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Speaker 1: draw to it in our communities obviously with our players

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Speaker 1: wants to bring attention to the issues and they care

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of different ways to go about

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Speaker 1: doing it. And obviously that was where the demonstrations done

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Speaker 1: to bring awareness to it. But I don't want the

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Speaker 1: how those things were done to overshadow the central mission

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Speaker 1: of people caring, because that's why we're all recipients of

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Speaker 1: this great award is we care, and we went about

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Speaker 1: it in different ways that you can tell, but the

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Speaker 1: some form of love. Anything to add to that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to add to it. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: we're definitely excited that there's a lot of awareness been

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Speaker 1: for me, the thing that really stands out the most,

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Speaker 1: You've got the president um tweeting about, you know, what

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Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's important for everybody to

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Speaker 1: understand that, you know, just because you're not dealing with

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Speaker 1: to commend the players around the league once again, like

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Speaker 1: I think I want to say that, you know, when

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Speaker 1: I said, hey, if I can make it, A lot

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Speaker 1: a lot of other people can make it, but just

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Speaker 1: need a chance and the opportunity. And how do we

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Speaker 1: done is I've asked guys to find their you know,

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Speaker 1: and as Thomas said, we're all connected by you know,

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Speaker 1: And why I shouldn't and shouldn't I said, just like

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Speaker 1: And I tried to look at it as a positive.

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Speaker 1: Where I was guilty of wanting my servant leadership to

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to be perceived as I'm only doing

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Speaker 1: just what Joe said. I got tired of reading about

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Speaker 1: all the other things that were going on when it

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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee challenged us, you know, in when he walked

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Speaker 1: bring change to this organization because everybody wins in that regards.

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Speaker 1: And that was the spirit that I went behind. And

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Speaker 1: spur you to commitment. You may not be committed to

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Speaker 1: goal for you to serve in sub capacity. It may

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Speaker 1: So I just start with younger players. That's why I

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Speaker 1: That that really makes a difference. As we kind of

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Speaker 1: I know Derek touching a little bit about social media

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Speaker 1: and you know, we live in a day and age.

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Speaker 1: It has instant information we want, instant gratification, but it

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Speaker 1: also provides that form where we can immediately touch our

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Speaker 1: But there could be challenges to that too, benefits and

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Speaker 1: Great stuff, Great stuff, guys, Frank Old, Thomas, Derek. I

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