1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Wednesday, October the fifteenth. Black 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: people are actually watermelon people. That's just one of the 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: little gems we got from thousands and thousands of pages 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: of leaked text exchanges among young Republican leaders. And with that, 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Rope. 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: This story is everybody's just buzzing about like crazy because 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: some of these details, it's almost look these are private 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: messages that got out. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe. 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Still in a private message that you would say some 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: of this stuff in a group of four or five, 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: six plus people. 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: It's jaw dropping, and it's interesting to have read through 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: most of what political reported. They are the ones who 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: got hold of these text messages. And again these are 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: seven months of messages, twenty nine thousand pages. And for 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 3: me it was jaw dropping, not just the tone and 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: the words and the language used, but how often they're used, 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: how cavalleterly they're used, how disgustingly they're referred to. 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 4: Joked about it. I was appalled. 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: You and I had very different reactions, though it was 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 3: interesting if you look at it from the perspective of 24 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: each one of our lives. How I viewed all of this, 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 3: and how you viewed all of this that's coming to light. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of people out there 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: are having some of those same conversations and experiences about this. 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: When what we're talking about, if you're not familiar, we're 29 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: seeing these are young Republicans. We're not just talking about 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: people who are Republicans who happen to be young. No, no, no, 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: this is official group. This is an official group, an 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: organization that is officially affiliated with the National Republican Party. Yes, 33 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: they're called the Young Republicans. They're focused on, yes, young conservatives. 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: But they have chapters in just about every state in 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: the country, hundreds of chapters, fifteen thousand members they say 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: they have. So what we're talking about here are young 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 1: Republicans part of this group, part of chapters in the US, 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: and these were leaders sin they had various leadership positions 39 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: within Young Republicans. Now this year Telegram, I don't use telegram, 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: but there's another messaging app they're all on and over 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: the course of all of these months, they're having conversations 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: in which, as Political put it in their exclusive reporting, 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: this was their headline, I Love Hitler leaked messages expose 44 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: young Republicans racist chat. The sub headline thousands of private 45 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: messages reveal young geopute leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery, 46 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: and rape. That's the headline everybody is buzzing about. Now 47 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: we start to break this thing down, Robes. Yes, there's 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: been condemnation on both sides, but then there's measured and 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: almost no condemnation coming from one particular part. We will 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: get into that. But the shock and the outrage of it, 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not The language doesn't shock me. 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: I'm a little. 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: Surprised that they would put it in a message in 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: a group chat. This big to be quite frank, But 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: the tone things they said, how they say them, how 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: casually they talk about racist things, no surprise, And to 57 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: be honest with you, is not even creative watermelon people. 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: They go in the same. 59 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: Tired, stupid, lazy ass tropes that white folks like this 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: I often see. 61 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: Do nothing surprising about. 62 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: This, and my experience was very different in that I 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: couldn't believe that not only people would be willing and 64 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: emboldened enough to put this yes in a text, but 65 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: just to even say it, think it, believe it, share it, 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 3: laugh about it. I just I've not seen or heard 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: people talk like this, and so I and I know 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: you're laughing because but I'm just saying I call me naive. 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: I just I actually feel sickened by the fact that 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: I look at it from the This is the younger generation, right, 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: We're supposed to be more aware of how important and 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: how how words matter, and how easily things get leaked, 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: and just being tech savvy and knowing not to go 74 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: there do that say that, especially in a forum that 75 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: could clearly be. 76 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 4: Screen grabbed and sent. 77 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 3: And it's amazing the brazenness with which these folks say 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: what they've said. 79 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 4: And look, when you click on Politico. 80 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: They have a graphic that's really compelling that has some 81 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 3: of these text messages. 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: Popped up all in a row. 83 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: But just I feel like we should read some of it, 84 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 3: just because this is how outrageous it is. I don't 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: want to give any weight to it, or even give 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: any I don't want to glamorize any of this because 87 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: it is just so appalling. 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: But just to give you an idea of. 89 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 3: Some of the things that were said, great, I love Hitler. 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 3: I'd go to the zoo if I wanted to watch 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: monkey play ball. Everyone that votes know is going to 92 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: the gas chamber. I'm ready to watch people burn. Now, 93 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: it's just they use words that I won't even repeat 94 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and you wouldn't repeat, that are just so inflammatory and 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: defammatory that I'm appalled that people would put this and 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 3: then to think that they're leading groups, that they're actually 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: organizing people to vote. 98 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: It's disturbing on a million different levels. 99 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: Hey, we'll tell you some of the context in which 100 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: they say some of these text messages were said, because 101 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: we have heard from a couple of people who are 102 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: apart acknowledging they were a part of it, but they 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: give apologies but then not really apologies at the same time. Now, 104 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: in particular, we're just talking about these folks who were 105 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: from four particular states New York, Kansas, Arizona, and Vermont. 106 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: They were part of those Young Republicans organizations in particular. Now, 107 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: the folks we're talking about will get their names to 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: you here in just a second. You won't necessarily know 109 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: those names, but look to get on just to make 110 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: sure we're on the record with who these folks are. 111 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: The messages themselves political says. They have twenty eight thousand 112 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: pages right, robes of text messages, and in those pages 113 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: they have, they have two hundred and fifty one they 114 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: count it specific, two hundred and fifty one instances they 115 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: say mentioning the N word, the F word, and the 116 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: R word. Now, I think most of you know what 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: the R and the F word are that we are 118 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: talking about in particular, but they went through and count it. 119 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: Now in some of the messages you mentioned one about 120 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: monkey ball. Now, somebody on this particular chain was asked 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: if he was watching an NBA playoff game and the 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: response that's when he came up with that line you 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: mentioned Robes quote, I'd go to the zoo if I 124 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: wanted to watch monkey playball. Now that's in direct reference 125 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: to an NBA game. Now, that is awful. It's terrible, 126 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: it's disgusting. Can't believe you wrote it down. Not shocked 127 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: this dude would say it. I'm not shocked. That is 128 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: such a lazy, stupid ass joke. Like it's not even 129 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: it's not funny, it's not clever, it's not cute. It's 130 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: like a throwaway, like you're trying to be cool or 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: somebody that. And to also know that he was he 132 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: was in an audience in which he could say that. 133 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: He felt like he was in a safe space. 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: That is, that is as as terrible as throw the 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: in word in there for good measure, Like that's just 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: so stupid. 137 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 4: It is. 138 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: It's it's like lowest common denominator BS. And it's not 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: not that you want someone to be clever and racist, 140 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: but it's it's ignorance. And it's just again like it's 141 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: low hanging fruit. It's it's not smart, it's not thoughtful, 142 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: it's just childish. 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: It just doesn't. 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: Rise to the level of me being outraged at something 145 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: like that, Given the number of times I've had to 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: be exposed to some foolishness like that, it just didn't 147 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: rise to the level. So as I'm we're in the 148 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: house here, one of us black, one of was white, 149 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: looking at this story in two totally different ways, me, 150 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: I can't even believe it's being talked about. Like I 151 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: understand why I'm not saying from a new standpoint, but 152 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: as far as any outrage or getting worked up or 153 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: being shocked or how could they or what needs to 154 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: happen to them, I'm just okay, fine. Some other people 155 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: are now exposed to and aware that this happens. But yeah, 156 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: this is this is not a this is not a 157 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: big day to hear this. Now, it's disappointing. These are 158 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: young Republicans. They're the future of the party. Aren't the 159 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: young one supposed to do better than we did? 160 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's the point. 161 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: This is the Young Republican National Federation this day of 162 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 3: fifteen thousand members. It's for Republicans between the ages of 163 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: eighteen and forty. And again, we're not condemning the group 164 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 3: with the organization. These are a few people who have 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: been singled out who wrote and for months wrote just disgusting, 166 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: despicable things. It doesn't we don't mean to imply that 167 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 3: anyone else in the group feels or shares these thoughts. 168 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: These are specific people with disgusting language, and unfortunately they 169 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: were some of the few at the top that were 170 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: leading organizations. These weren't just members who were spouting off. 171 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: These are people who actually had positions of authority and 172 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: power within the group, and that is what makes it 173 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: extra disturbing. 174 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: Another example here, someone was making a reference he had 175 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: just landed after its flight and said, quote, if your 176 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: pilot is a sheet and she looks ten shades darker 177 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: than someone from sicily just end it there, scream the 178 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: no word whatever. Watermelon people was used as a reference 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: as well. Another reference again throwing in now talking about 180 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: it potential Indian. Somebody talking about dating an Indian woman, 181 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 1: and then someone chimed in that she's not Indian. And 182 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: then someone else responded and I quote she just didn't 183 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: bathe often, essentially saying she's not Indian, You're mistaken. She 184 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: just didn't bathe often. Those are just a few of 185 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: the examples. You talked about the gas chamber, They talked 186 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: about sending people and executing. 187 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: There are references to slavery. 188 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: And being There was one group that he was mentioning 189 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: another group of Republicans, and he was someone in the 190 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: chat said they were in favor of that group or 191 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: favor of that group because they wanted to bring back 192 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: slavery like things like that are throughout now. Is there 193 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: any defense for this robes in any way, shape or form, 194 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: any defense for this language that you could find a 195 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: way to give these dudes a break. 196 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: The answer is no. 197 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: And a lot of this was so grossly personally motivated. 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: When one of the members and we'll get into the names. 199 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: Was trying to become the chair of the Young Republican 200 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: National Federation like. 201 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: The head of the head. 202 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: He wrote, everyone that votes know is going to the 203 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: gas chamber. And then someone writes, when do we start bullying? 204 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: Then they can say, if they vote for us, why 205 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: would they be guessed? We only want true believers. Can 206 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 3: we fix the showers? Gas chambers don't fit the Hitler aesthetic. 207 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: I'm ready to watch people burn. Now we got to 208 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 3: pretend that we like them. Hey, come on in, take 209 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: a nice shower and relax. Boom, they're dead. I mean, 210 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 3: this is discuss There isn't even a word to describe 211 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: how disgusting that chat back and forth is about someone 212 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: wanting to rise to power within the organization. 213 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: Okay, is there I don't know. Both sides have condemned. 214 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: And again there's a couple of statements here. We're going 215 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: to read you from a couple of the people involved 216 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: in these chats. Apologies somewhat, but again, folks, if you've 217 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: seen Roges, you've probably seen this. A lot of Democrats 218 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: are running to find any photos of these guys with 219 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: prominent Republicans, and they're starting to post them already, So 220 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: that's what this is now becoming to. They're trying to 221 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: make some connection to Republicans in DC or some connection 222 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: to President Trump. 223 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: Where does that conversation go? 224 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: You never be able to prove, right, But there has 225 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 1: been very public racist language that has come out from 226 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: pretty prominent people in this country to where it doesn't 227 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: necessarily Is it changing people's hearts or just making them 228 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: feel emboldened to say what's already in there? 229 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 4: I think it's the latter of the two. 230 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: Sadly, I think that we are now at a place 231 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 3: politically where it's not just okay to say things that 232 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: were previously considered offensive but actually encouraged because you know, 233 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: we're so unwoke now we can say whatever we want 234 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: and say it however we'd like, because that's our right 235 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 3: and we're not going. 236 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 4: To pretend anymore. 237 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 3: And perhaps, you know, look, do we want to know 238 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: who people really are? Do we want to know what 239 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: they really think and say before we vote for them? 240 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: I do so. On one hand, fine, I'll prefer an unvarnished, true. 241 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: Account of what somebody is and what they think before 242 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: I decide who I want to vote for or align 243 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: politically with so transparency is better as disgusting as it is. 244 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: My God, if this is what's in their hearts and 245 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: in their heads, I'd prefer to know. 246 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: That's the thing that bothers me. And the debate, the 247 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: conversation about what should happen to these folks who are 248 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: in this chat, and there have been consequences, several of 249 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: them have lost positions that they had or expected to 250 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: be going to the national head of the groups, that 251 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: all of them need to immediately resign one hundred everybody 252 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: in this chat needs to resign from the organization. Not 253 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: sure at least of this recording where all of that lies. 254 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: But but really, Rose, I'm so much of the conversation 255 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: has gone towards how their privacy was violated, has gone 256 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: to immediately not even condemning what they're doing, but immediately saying, well, 257 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: something this democrat did was worse. So I don't know 258 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: if this day and time, if you see this and 259 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: we can't all agree that this is bad and the 260 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: first thing out of all of our mouths should be 261 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: no language like this should ever come out of somebody 262 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: who's mouth or in a text, And then the next 263 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: thing has got to be nothing like this should be 264 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: in your hearts. Where do I don't know where we 265 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: go with that, because I don't want people to keep 266 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: this stuff in. I want to hear about it, but 267 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to be there in the first place. 268 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know we. 269 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: Say stuff privately, all of us do. 270 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: Everybody's got one, right, one person you text that if 271 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: your text messages got out, you'd be in trouble. Everybody's 272 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: got one this. The lessons shouldn't be be careful what 273 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: you text. 274 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: It should be examine why you feel the way you do. 275 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 2: Period. 276 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: And so now, as always on race conversations, they're all 277 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: gone sideways and look what this person did, and look 278 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: what this democrat did, and this is worse than that. 279 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: And I know there's a violence element to this, but 280 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: this is pretty much racism all around these text messages. 281 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: What we're talking about here, I just it's hatred. 282 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: And if we're gonna do this, everybody gonna try to 283 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: get their political points and then we'll go back to 284 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: our respective corners. 285 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: And we have had some official response from several people, 286 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 4: and yeah, a lot of. 287 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: Them trying to distance themselves, saying, well, you know I, yeah, 288 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: he's from that group. I ain't have anything that kind 289 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: of stuff to be expected. That's fine, But the one 290 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: that stands out is the one you need to hear from. 291 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: Vice President J. D. 292 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: Vance have to say, was a little surprised by this one. 293 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: Stay here, we'll share it in a moment. Also, we'll 294 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: tell you exactly who these folks are who are on 295 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: this text chain, and we want to let you hear 296 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: the apologies we've gotten from at least two people involved 297 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: in these text messages. 298 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 3: We continue our conversation here on Amy and TJ about 299 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 3: these atrocious text messages. Seven months of messages, twenty nine 300 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: thousand pages of messages filled with racism, misogyny, calls for violence, 301 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: you name it, anything as disgusting as you could think of. 302 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: Pretty much was included in these text messages that have 303 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: all been released now Political wrote Politico wrote a story 304 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: on these text messages, and there has been quite a 305 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: bit of response, but some surprising and I think you 306 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: mentioned this before we went to break JD. Vansa Vice President. 307 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: Vance's response was, I would just say disappointing. 308 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is well. 309 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Look and saying out loud, this is a guy, look 310 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: at this is a really sharp guy I think is 311 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: a really sharp politician. And look, a lot of people 312 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: they just look, you have your pilicolings an opinion about him. 313 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: But I. 314 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: Generally think this dude gets it right, and this dude 315 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: presents himself really well, and I look at him with 316 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: a certain level of admiration for all that he has 317 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: done and how he handles the public. 318 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: But his response on. 319 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: X was to refer to something that's going on in 320 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: Virginia where a Democratic candidate for attorney general there had 321 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: a few years ago. It's just gotten exposed in the race. 322 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: But a few years ago he made a reference to 323 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: another politician possibly being shot. Right, he's apologized for it, 324 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: but it's in the middle of the race now. So 325 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: jd Vance in his response, made a reference to that 326 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: by putting up a screenshot essentially of some of those 327 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: threats and said that this quote this is far worse 328 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: than any thing said in a college group chat. And 329 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: the guy who said it could become the age of Virginia. 330 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: I refuse to join the pearl clutching when powerful people 331 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: call for political violence. 332 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 4: Pearl clutching, Oh man, just you know what. 333 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: Instead of recognizing what happened acknowledging it and saying there's 334 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: no place for it. Instead, he deferred and deflected and compared. 335 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: And this isn't something This isn't a story where we 336 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: need to say, well, they did this, and let's just 337 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: deal with the facts on hand and the issue at 338 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: play now in the conversation we're having, and I just 339 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 3: it's just it's a classic thing that politicians do, and 340 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: it's just disappointing. 341 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 4: I think that's how I feel. 342 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: There was an opportunity for him to actually say something 343 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: powerful and something that could actually inspire the people who 344 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: look up to him, who do appreciate some of his 345 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 3: frankness and his political directness and straightforwardness. He always often 346 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 3: touts his Catholic upbringing, his Catholic faith, his moral stand. 347 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 3: So I just it was an opportunity that he not 348 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 3: only missed, but just I just feel like sadly destroyed and. 349 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: To get I don't know why, or if this would 350 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: have come from a different politician, I might have seen 351 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: it differently. 352 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: I don't know why. It's too bad. 353 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: It's the vice print of the United States on this issue, 354 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: and this is yes to be expected maybe from politician 355 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: we've seen it with the back and forth on political violence. 356 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: When something happens to one side, the other side comes 357 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: back and says, well, yeah, but you all did this 358 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: to our person, and this was worse than what happened 359 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: to this person. I just hate we get into that. 360 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: The only thing that needs to be said, this is awful, this. 361 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: Is viile, this is disgusting. 362 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not up to us to say what should 363 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: happen to them, but we can say this shouldn't be said, 364 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: This shouldn't be he felt. What can we do to 365 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: move forward? We just have this mentality that we have 366 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: to absolutely go after these guys and go after anybody 367 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: affiliated and destroy and destroy and destroy. And that didn't Yeah, 368 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: he didn't make a reference at all. If I missed it, 369 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I didn't see him making an affle 370 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: to criticize the comments in the. 371 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: Group chatter all. 372 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 4: I didn't see it either. And in terms of who 373 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 4: was in that group chat, we can go over who 374 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 4: they were. 375 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 3: We mentioned they were leaders, and then we can get 376 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: to the apologies from two of them. 377 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: You won't nobody will know the names, but one, you know, 378 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: the one that really really stood out is somebody who 379 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: was a current member, where is it. I don't have 380 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: them listened there saying I'll look it up. 381 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 3: You go through the names here we need to grab 382 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 3: and the names are less important versus their titles, the 383 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: roles they played. I think that to me is what 384 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 3: stood out more than anything that we had. William Hendrick's 385 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 3: vice chair of Kansas Young Republicans, Bobby Walker, who was 386 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 3: the vice chair of the New York State Young Republicans, 387 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: Peter Judah, then chair of New York's State Young Republicuplicans, 388 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 3: and he is we just saw him as recently as 389 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: a few weeks ago making the rounds on political talk 390 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 3: shows as a Republican strategist. Joe Maligno, General counsel of 391 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 3: New York State Young Republicans, Alex Dwyer, chair of Kansas 392 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: Young Republicans, Annie Kkatie, New York Committee member, and then 393 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: Michael Bartel's an advisor in the legal office of US 394 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: Small Business Association. He didn't say much, but he also 395 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: didn't push back, so that I just wanted to point 396 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 3: that out. Politico did make that distinction, But in terms 397 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 3: of the apologies, as you referenced earlier, Babe, they apologized, 398 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 3: but then they were upset that their private conversations. They 399 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: had to add that, and like, if you make an apology, 400 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: a genuine apology, don't make an excuse, don't defend, just 401 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: say you're sorry. 402 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: That isn't what happened. 403 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: And another name was actually at this It was important 404 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: to mention Sam Douglas, who is a current sitting member 405 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: of the Vermonts Legislature, my actual lallmaker there who has 406 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: been as to resign again as of this recording. No 407 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: worry that that's happened. But two of the folks say 408 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: the last name again, Peter Juntah Junta. 409 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: He was the one. 410 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: I think his name is popping up more than any 411 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: other as far as probably saying the most vile stuff. 412 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: In these messages. 413 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: Agreed, he had some really horrific and he was the 414 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: one who was running for the chairman's office, so he 415 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 3: was the one who was really inciting like or at 416 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: least jokingly inciting some sort of violence in order to 417 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 3: bully people to vote for him. I mean, this was 418 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 3: it was very egregious. But Peter Junta here was his apology. 419 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: I am so sorry to those offended by the insensitive 420 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 3: and inexcusable language found within the more than twenty eight 421 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: thousand messages of a private group chat that I created 422 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: during my campaign to lead the Young Republicans. Those logs 423 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: were sourced by way of extortion and provided to Politico 424 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: by the very same people conspiring against me in what 425 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: appeared there is to be a highly coordinated, year long 426 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: character assassination. He names and blames the New York Republican 427 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: Group led by Gavin Wax and the New York City 428 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: Young Republican Club. So again he's just pointing the finger, 429 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: saying kind of like, you made me do it, you 430 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 3: made me say it. I don't even understand what that 431 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 3: what that even does to what his He can't defend 432 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: what he said. 433 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: The other line, which gives him an out in defending 434 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: himself Robes, is that he says, quote, I have had 435 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: no way of verifying their accuracy, and I'm deeply concerned 436 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: that the message logs in question may have been deceptively doctored. Okay, 437 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: step one always you have to first of all take responsibility, 438 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and it's he didn't. But I know, folks, you lose 439 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: people on your apology when you start with I am 440 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 1: sorry to those who were offended. Stop sorry for those 441 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: if you were offended. I'm sorry, not sorry for what 442 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: I said. If I upset you, I'm sorry if I 443 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: upset That's that brings me very very very very hollow. 444 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: And he is set up by saying I can't verify. 445 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: He knows good in hell well if he said this 446 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: stuff to say I can't verify, which could be true, 447 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: which means I didn't get a chance to go to 448 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Verizon and making sure that nobody doctored with the call 449 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: logs and nothing. But yeah, okay, fine, he can say that. 450 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: But by doing this, he's not taking responsibility for any word. 451 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: He's suggesting that any word attributed to him might not 452 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: be right because I can't verify the accuracy. 453 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 2: Of the logs. 454 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 3: And obviously, if he had issue with anything specifically that 455 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: was released, he would have said I never wrote that. 456 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 4: I never said that. He clearly never says that in 457 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 4: his statements. 458 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 2: See that we understand. 459 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fine, yes, to defend himself, that's all right. 460 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 4: And this next one is the next apology. I guess. 461 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 3: The only other apology that we could find was from 462 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: Bobby Walker. This is the vice chair of New York 463 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: State Young Republicans. Bobby Walker says this in his apology, 464 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 3: there is no excuse for the language and tone in 465 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 3: messages attributed to me. The language is wrong and hurtful, 466 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 3: and I sincerely apologize. It's troubling that private exchanges were 467 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: obtained and released in a way clearly intended to inflict harm, 468 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 3: and the circumstances raised real questions about accuracy and motive, 469 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: But none of that excuses the language. This has been 470 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 3: a painful lesson about judgment and trust. 471 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, yeah, you do what you have to do, 472 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: Do what you need to do. Attribute messages attributed to me, 473 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: not apologizing for the things I said. Look, that might 474 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: be legal leaves that might be good pr help, but 475 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: it doesn't help and is not healing. I don't know 476 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: how ugly this will be for the Republican Party moving forward, 477 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: and frankly, I don't care that much what I'm I'll 478 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: always get concerned. And we have these conversations that aren't conversations. 479 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: They're just we come out to the middle of the ring, 480 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: we beat the shit out of each other, and then 481 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: we go back to our respective corners. Nobody learned anything, 482 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: nobody picked up anything, nobody's going to do better. I 483 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: just the lesson I'm sure somebody's having a meeting about 484 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: be careful what you text instead of hey, guys, we 485 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: need to talk and if any of you have these 486 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: same thoughts in your head, we need to understand why 487 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: and then work on getting it out. But this is 488 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: a young I always hope they will do better than us. 489 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: I always we should be doing better than our parents. 490 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 1: They should have been doing better than the ones. But 491 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: you have to get better things like this. This is 492 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: old school. This is sad. 493 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: This is some old school racism here. 494 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: Emboldened racism with no apology and to exactly what you 495 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: were saying. The official White House response, let's read it, 496 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 3: but it is so disheartening. Oh this is what the 497 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 3: White House said in response to all of this. Only 498 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: an activist left wing reporter would desperately try to tie 499 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: President Trump into a story about a random group chat 500 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: he has no affiliation with, while failing to mention the 501 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: dangerous smears coming from the Democrat politicians who have fantasized 502 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: about murdering their opponents and called Republicans Nazis and fascists. 503 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: No one has been subjected to more vicious rhetoric and 504 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: violence than President Trump and his supporters. 505 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: So shut up, y'all have done worse than some bad words. 506 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: Your side has done worse than the bad words that 507 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: some young'ins talked about in a group text. Okay, and 508 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: you know what, that's the end of this conversation. That 509 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: is actually the button on it. If you think we're 510 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: getting anywhere, read the White House response over and over. 511 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: That is the button. That is it. 512 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: We're not going to learn, we're not going to do better, 513 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: We're going to keep doing the same old thing. 514 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: I think the only way that I mean this really 515 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 3: is such a despicable, disheartening story. And really, I guess 516 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: kind of to your point, it's not a story. This 517 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 3: is just who we are and who we live among 518 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 3: and the way people are thinking. We have some insight 519 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: into it, and it's appalling to some of us, it's 520 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: familiar to others, and it's a way of life for 521 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 3: some people, and that is so disturbing. I think the 522 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: only way out of this is through our own individual 523 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: acts and our own individual choices. And I see this, 524 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 3: and I just know that all we can do is 525 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 3: be our best selves and influence those around us who 526 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 3: we love to be kinder, to be more forgiving, to 527 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: be more open minded and to be less judgmental. 528 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: And you know, all those things you mentioned are things 529 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: that I am willing to do with every single person 530 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: that's on this damn text change. I don't know these people. 531 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how they came up. I don't know 532 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: why they would say the things they said. I know 533 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: what they said is despicable. I don't know if they're 534 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: despicable people. And I have to I have to always 535 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: draw that line before we completely condemn and throw people away. 536 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: I don't know it. I am not sitting here defending 537 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: some racists. But what I'm saying is I am also 538 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: not ready to dispatch dispose of human beings who could 539 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: possibly add something to this conversation, because we need those 540 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: people who have those things in their minds as a 541 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: part of this conversation as well to understand where did 542 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: you get this, Why did you think this, Why would 543 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: you say this? 544 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Why are you comfortable with that person? Does this happen 545 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: all the time? 546 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: Possibly, But I'm just saying, I am sitting here the 547 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: black man still willing to give these folks some kind 548 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: of a break before I hear and I learned something, 549 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: because this there's no way, you were born in nineteen 550 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: These are young pie. 551 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: I think in the nineteen eight eighties, like this is 552 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: people forty and under. 553 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 2: Okay, eighties, but there's probably some twenty somethings. 554 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: Why people born in the nineties and the aughts. 555 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: Born in the nineties and aughts. 556 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: You should not be saying, hyl frickin Hitler, where is 557 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: that coming from? How do you even know about watermelon? 558 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: And bless so old? Why are you dropping the inward? 559 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: What? 560 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: And you were born in ninety four? What? It just 561 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: shouldn't be. 562 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: So where are we failing these people? Where are we 563 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: failing these white folks? Where are we failing these folks? 564 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: So you got enough black kids in your school to 565 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: be exposed to something else out there? 566 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: I just and it. 567 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: It's been We've had this happened plenty of times over 568 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: the years now that we have been together, and even 569 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: before that, our reactions to these stories in this house, 570 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: with the in word being thrown around a hundred times 571 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: in these text messages. 572 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: I was chilling and you were. 573 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: Outraged because it was shocking to you what people say this. 574 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: It didn't if this wasn't a political headline. 575 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: I don't even know if we'd be doing this. 576 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: It's just eh, doesn't even rise to the level. 577 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 4: Well, I can only hope that more people can have 578 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 4: your big heart. 579 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: No, it's just experience, yes. 580 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: But that is part of it. 581 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: And you know what, I think you just hit a 582 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: very good point about exposure. And you know, I just 583 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: know so many of us and not even necessarily consciously 584 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: choose to be segregated. But we are in communities oftentimes 585 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: where we're surrounded by people who look like us, think 586 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: like us, act like us. And the more we can 587 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 3: just take a moment to listen to someone else's way 588 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: of life, to be exposed to someone else's experiences in 589 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: a meaningful way, that is how we bridge the gap. 590 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 3: But until people are willing to do that, I don't 591 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: know that. It's just it's it's disheartening and it's sad, 592 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: but I just I feel more empowered to just to 593 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 3: keep living a certain way and to keep practicing certain 594 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: things to hope that eventually certain people will be willing 595 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: to recognize that their way isn't the only way. I 596 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: think that's where we have to That's that's the big issue. 597 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: Learn love, from religion, from race to whatever. When and 598 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: when people are in power. They don't want to give 599 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: it up. 600 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: Oh, but nobody wants to learn, learn and love. 601 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: You have to learn first. 602 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: You have to learn. 603 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 4: Quote of the day, learn and love well. The point 604 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 4: of life is to learn. That's why we're here to 605 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 4: learn to grow again. 606 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: I don't know these people there not condemning Republicans, this 607 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: group or nothing. These are some knucklehets. 608 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 2: There are plenty. 609 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 3: Of knuckleheads with the power, unfortunately, or at least they 610 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: had them, and we're. 611 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: Working their way up the chain. But you don't know 612 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: black people at all. If you could make a statement 613 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: that some of the most successful prominent black men in 614 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: this country are nothing more than zoo animals playing monkey ball, 615 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: you don't know any black people like you just you 616 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: don't know anything. So true, you just don't. They could 617 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: never come out of your mouth. If there's a black 618 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: person in your life you care about and that cares 619 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: about you, you you just can't. So that's what I'm saying. 620 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: We got to do better there. But what a story. 621 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: This one's not going away. There probably be some updates 622 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: on this. Will continue to keep you all post. Also, 623 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: always a reminder top right corner of that screen the 624 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast app where you see our show as a 625 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: button that says follow. Just click that you can get 626 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: the updates coming to you. 627 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: As they come. 628 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: H So, as always on behalf of my dear Amy 629 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: Robot and t J Holmes. 630 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: We'll talk the outsoon.