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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff Three and Out

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Speaker 1: podcast spent the week in l a back up in

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Speaker 1: the Bay Area office recording this podcast. Uh, spent a

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Speaker 1: hell of a week, absolutely crazy week of free agent signings.

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Speaker 1: As I'm recording this, h Jordan Matthews just signed with

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Speaker 1: So you're starting to see a lot of the low

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Speaker 1: ca Haa Clinton Dix today with the with the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: What a genius move by him to go to that

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Speaker 1: defense that's absolutely loaded. Two good corners Eddie Jackson, two

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Speaker 1: good linebackers, and an elite front ha ha is gonna

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Speaker 1: Be a lot going on today. I'm gonna do a

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Speaker 1: heavy Middlecoff mail bag. I just have so many questions.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna bang some out. That'll probably be the

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Speaker 1: majority of the show. You can always slide up in

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Speaker 1: my d M s at John Middlecoff. Uh, you slide

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Speaker 1: the questions. A couple of the big things that I

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Speaker 1: didn't get to talked about earlier in the week on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's pod because it happened after we we didn't know

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Speaker 1: what was gonna happen. With Levan Bell, I've talked a

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Speaker 1: lot on my periscope show and on Twitter about Odell

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Speaker 1: bit too. I guess I haven't really talked about it here,

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Speaker 1: but to me, the number one story, I don't even

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Speaker 1: think there is a comparable to this. Can you imagine

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Speaker 1: NFL free agency? If you are an NFL general manager

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Speaker 1: or even a head coach, and this guy happens to

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, whatever you do or a job we all have.

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Speaker 1: You know, like my c p A. His busy season

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Speaker 1: is the next two months or the next It's been

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Speaker 1: the last month in this month, right if you're you're

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Speaker 1: getting ready for tax season, if you are, like if

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Speaker 1: you're in the media business, usually if you cover football,

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Speaker 1: the fall is pretty important. The fall, the draft and

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Speaker 1: free agency, it's pretty you know, it's you're busy time,

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Speaker 1: Uh what what? I don't know? Whatever you do. You

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Speaker 1: know you have certain times of the year, whether it's

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Speaker 1: the end of a fiscal quarter, whether it's certain time

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Speaker 1: in your individual business when things are required, whatever that

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Speaker 1: you gotta be a little more locked in that. There's

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Speaker 1: just kind of more money on the line. And I've

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Speaker 1: how he clearly it's a big deal for him. He

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Speaker 1: takes it seriously because he's a wheeler in a deal.

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Cougar Linda went on vacation, not last week,

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Speaker 1: I've seen of him, he's basically half naked. He's just

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Speaker 1: jumping into the water. Again, this is free agency, and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots have some money, they have some wiggle room.

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Speaker 1: He does not give literally one ship. I could not

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Speaker 1: think what would be a comparable. I was thinking driving earlier,

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Speaker 1: it'd be like the you know, the president not chewing

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Speaker 1: up to the state of the Union. But that analogy

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Speaker 1: I can't even think about it, honestly, it's it's beyond

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Speaker 1: It does not matter because when the dust settles and

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna yell at him? Bob Kraft, Bob Craft's fighting

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Speaker 1: prostitution charges. You think Jonathan crafts anything to Bill? Please?

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Speaker 1: You think any of the coaches are say anything to Bill?

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Speaker 1: Come on, Bill is life is good for Mr? Belichick. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get into Levian Bell and Odell Beckham Jr's actually

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Speaker 1: start with Odell Beckham Jr. First off, I've been saying

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Speaker 1: forever they were gonna trade Odell Beckham Jr. The Giants

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Speaker 1: they were dead set on trading him, which has to

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Speaker 1: be one of the dumbest ideas. Ever, when you factor

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Speaker 1: could have easily traded him last year when he was

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Speaker 1: have got it for Odell Beckham. But they signed him

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Speaker 1: and it last year was a disaster, eliss disaster. So

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Speaker 1: then they decided to trade him this year, which again,

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Speaker 1: recommend trading good players typically not a great idea. Khalil Max,

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Speaker 1: I know on pretty good sourcing that the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants had multiple offers that were better than what they accepted. Now,

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Speaker 1: you have the leverage. So one thing I have consistently

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Speaker 1: O'Dell Beckham, I think was pick the third rounder means nothing.

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Speaker 1: And then I trade him to the Browns, who don't

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Speaker 1: you traded him to a place they not only didn't

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Speaker 1: too many options. That's been one problem for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: traded the seventeenth pick for Odell Beckham Jr. D. Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman should be ashamed of himself. Honestly, it's a fireball offense.

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Speaker 1: I it's the most embarrassing to me. It's worse than

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, who the hell trades Khalil

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Speaker 1: that is is shameful. It really is. I feel for

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns first second and maybe their next year's

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Speaker 1: not what they got. They got a first round pick

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Speaker 1: and then nothing really after that's it's a joke. It

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Speaker 1: really is embarrassing. And Dave, as I call him, meadhead, Gettleman, Dave,

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Speaker 1: I'm terrible at my job. Gettleman just really got exposed,

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Speaker 1: really really got exposed. And John Mara the quickest way

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Speaker 1: he can fix this thing is the fire human Pat Sherman.

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Speaker 1: Those two guys are not good enough to be in

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Speaker 1: their position to be running this iconic franchise, because right

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Speaker 1: now the dumpster fire is in midfire and the fireman

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Speaker 1: feels like they're headed. It's getting really quick to levy

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Speaker 1: got some positive things going their way, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the personnel side is gonna be good enough.

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Speaker 1: Now when you look at the Jets, you go, well,

428
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Speaker 1: Adam Gates made the playoffs before with probably less of

429
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Speaker 1: a roster in Miami's first year, So you go the

430
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Speaker 1: a f C East. You got the Pats, but the

431
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Speaker 1: Dolphins are gonna be terrible and the Bills are just

432
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Speaker 1: kind of met Why couldn't the Jets win nine or

433
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Speaker 1: ten games? You got Levian Bell, he could have a

434
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Speaker 1: big season. You nail a couple of draft picks here

435
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Speaker 1: in this upcoming draft, get some more talent to go

436
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Speaker 1: with Sam, to go with Levian. The defense is now

437
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Speaker 1: much improved. They have a really good defensive coordinator in

438
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Speaker 1: Greg Williams. Did I I could see two of the

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Speaker 1: three making them if I had to pick. Obviously, Baker's

440
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: the easy pick. I think that's probably consensus right. Most

441
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: people think the Browns are gonna make the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: then the other the other way you'd have to lean,

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Speaker 1: or at least the way I'd lean would be the

444
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: Jets over the Bills. But that's that's a good nugget.

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Speaker 1: So this year between Donald Baker, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,

446
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: I guess Lamar made the playoffs this first year. Who

447
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: am I missing in Rosen? I guess Rosen could if

448
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: he was like the backup in New England. But again,

449
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: the Rosen things weird to me because if they end

450
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Speaker 1: up trading them, they just held on them to the

451
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Speaker 1: draft to hope to get a bigger package because they

452
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: knew they were trading them all along. Now, I was

453
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Speaker 1: talking to a buddy in the NFL today as you're

454
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Speaker 1: driving home from work, and he brought up a good

455
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Speaker 1: point because I've been thinking this, what if they don't know?

456
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Speaker 1: What if they really don't know what they're gonna do?

457
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Speaker 1: That that might just be the case. Like as we're

458
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Speaker 1: sitting here March fourth, middle of March, the draft a

459
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: little over a month away, they just do not know.

460
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Speaker 1: And I think that's probably a fair you know, potential. Hey,

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Speaker 1: John big fan, here's a question for you. Where the

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Speaker 1: Colts in free agency, they have about a hundred million

463
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Speaker 1: in calf based many draft picks and with luck are

464
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Speaker 1: contenders in the a f C. Wouldn't you go after

465
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Speaker 1: a few big names and free agency, spend money and

466
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Speaker 1: try to make a push to the Super Bowl. Here's

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Speaker 1: what I think. I think most deals are not great

468
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Speaker 1: deals in free agency. I wouldn't want to sign Trent

469
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: Brown to the biggest offensive tackle contract ever average per year.

470
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to pay c J. Mosley fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind getting like a d Ford. But even

472
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Speaker 1: the Niners overpaid a little bit. But part of having

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Speaker 1: cap space, and I'll use the Niners as an example,

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Speaker 1: they don't sign that many big time free agents. They

475
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Speaker 1: went after O'Dell hard, but because they have consistently have

476
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Speaker 1: a lot of cap room, they can get a d

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Speaker 1: Ford no different than the Colts. If a if an

478
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Speaker 1: opportunity like that presents itself, they can go land that

479
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Speaker 1: player instead of just signing Preston Smith or c J.

480
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: Mosley or those type guys. They obviously don't need c J. Mosley.

481
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Speaker 1: But my point is you get in a situation where

482
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Speaker 1: you're like, I don't really, that's just kind of dead money.

483
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: That guy is not a good enough player to be

484
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Speaker 1: making that type cash. The culture always flexible, flexible. What

485
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: if like Julio Jones becomes available, the culture like, oh,

486
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: we'll give our first because we have all this cap room.

487
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: What if, you know, whoever becomes available, they can always

488
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Speaker 1: make a move. So to me, it is never undervalued,

489
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: or excuse me, it's never It never gets overstated, or

490
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Speaker 1: you I guess the way to put it is, you

491
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: can't overstate this enough because I think in free agency,

492
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Speaker 1: the cap room, the cap room in the cap room,

493
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: having cap room is valuable because you can make moves.

494
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman would die to have that much money, not

495
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: because he's signed a bunch of free agents. He'd make trades.

496
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Speaker 1: To me, that's where the colts are sniffing around. Who

497
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Speaker 1: am I gonna trade for? Can I go get you know,

498
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Speaker 1: a Patrick Peterson? Can I go get Julio Jones? Can

499
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: I go do something like that? I'd rather do that,

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Speaker 1: get you know guys that are actually worth sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

501
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Speaker 1: nineteen million. Can I all get a Khalil mac worth

502
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen to twenty million dollars, because that's what

503
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: you have to pay for the top guys in free agency,

504
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: but you don't want to like d Ford wasn't really

505
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: a free agent. You had to trade to get him,

506
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: so you had to trade. The Niners had to trade

507
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Speaker 1: next year's second to have the rights to sign them,

508
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: but that was worth it to them, and I think

509
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: it's the right move because he's a better pass rusher

510
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: than Trade Flowers. He's a much better pass rusher than

511
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Speaker 1: Tree Flowers. Now we got a lot more money, but

512
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: he should a better player. But the Lions didn't have

513
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Speaker 1: to give up a second round pick in two thousand

514
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Speaker 1: twenty to get Trade Flowers. He's a free agent, but

515
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Speaker 1: I'd rather do that now. I think your argument could be,

516
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Speaker 1: should the Colts be sniffing around some of these players

517
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: with some of their draft picks. Probably, but it takes

518
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: two to tango, as we saw with the Niners and

519
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. The other team's got to trade him

520
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: to you. Now, if I think you could argue, well,

521
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Speaker 1: if they were offering next year's second and the Colts

522
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Speaker 1: offered next your second too, you would say, well, the

523
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Niners are gonna be worse than the Cold, so that

524
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: second round picks gonna be better. So I would take

525
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Speaker 1: the Niners offer, So it might really just be that simple.

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Speaker 1: Is Tiger golfing tomorrow? Oh this is a day old. Yeah,

527
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: he golf today, shot two under. I think my shot

528
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: shot two under. John thought this was interesting. Saw on

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Speaker 1: Twitter that all thirty two teams sent scouts to Oklahoma's

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Speaker 1: pro day, with Kyler obviously being the big show. I know,

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Speaker 1: all thirty two teams aren't in a position to draft

532
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Speaker 1: a quarterback that high, So why does every team attend?

533
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Speaker 1: I know, oh, you probably has other quality guys, but

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Speaker 1: all thirty two seems tough when other schools have pro

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Speaker 1: days on the same day. Well, you split up your

536
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Speaker 1: pro days one and two. Whenever there's a top prospect,

537
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: you have to be in attendance. Uh, you just do

538
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: because eventually that it might not work out for Kyler

539
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: Murray so that he might be available, and you were there,

540
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: you experienced it, you have notes on it as an

541
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Speaker 1: internal you know, internally as an organization that is important.

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes it can be you know, kind of overkill.

543
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I think like in your question, you're basically asking why

544
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: the hell are like, what are the Patriots doing there?

545
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: What are what are the Kancie Chiefs doing there well.

546
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: I also think they have It's not a lot of

547
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: those guys are there to watch or meet with Hollywood Brown.

548
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: They have a running back Rodney Anderson. They have several

549
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. You just when when big time schools, like

550
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: back in the day when Ohio State or us USC,

551
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: some of these schools whatever, they got top guys, you

552
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: just go and that that's the way NFL teams think.

553
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: And if I was a GM and I had Jared

554
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: Goff or Russell Wilson, whoever, it wouldn't matter. I would

555
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Speaker 1: I would be in attendance at that pro day. John,

556
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Speaker 1: do you think free agency this year has been huge

557
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: due to last year's Los Angeles ramp success? If so,

558
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: who do you think we'll have instant success this year?

559
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: I think the Jets will be a lot better. I

560
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: think the Jets will be a lot better. The Lions

561
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: bought a lot of guys, but I don't think they'll

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Speaker 1: be that much better. I actually think the Bears had

563
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: a pretty good little under the They didn't sign any

564
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: big time free agents, but they got Buster Screen, a

565
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: good Nickel corner. They got Haha, Clinton Dix. You know,

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Speaker 1: a four year starter in the NFL. They got Cordurell Patterson,

567
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: who can play like seven different positions. He can play

568
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: right receiver, he play running back, kick return, punt return.

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Speaker 1: He's a good player. Those are solid players to a

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Speaker 1: team that's texted with the buddy of the Bears today,

571
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: he's like, I think we got better today, Like, yeah,

572
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: you are, and you look at the Bears roster last

573
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: year they had one of the better rosters in the league,

574
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: and they got better. I think a lot of these

575
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Speaker 1: younger gms, the Howie's, the Ryan Paces, the less needs

576
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: unless started at last. Even Chris Ballard, I know he's

577
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: not that aggressive, but he's willing to make moves. Belichick

578
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: always is, even though he's not that crazy. And free

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00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: agency would shock you at any moment of like Belichick

580
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: traded for Josh Rosen while he's in Barbados half naked. That. Yeah,

581
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as much as the Rams success

582
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: last year. I just think it's more than team see deals.

583
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Team see You've seen a lot in the last hours,

584
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: a lot of shorter term like one two year deals

585
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: really cheap for teams because a lot of this money

586
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: is fluff. Do you know the stupidest part about reports

587
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: on player contracts, like I don't care, Like five years,

588
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: seventy seven million dollars means nothing to me. Average annual

589
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: value means nothing to me. What are your guarantees? What

590
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: are your true guarantees? When they go? When he signs

591
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: a contract, he gets thirty million dollars, I'm like, Okay,

592
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: so he's got a three year, thirty million dollar contract.

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00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. You know, like in

594
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Speaker 1: the NBA, you sign a five year, hundred million dollars contract,

595
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: it's five year, hundred million dollar contract. In the NFL,

596
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: it's all fluff. What are your true guarantees? Like if

597
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: you died tomorrow, what would you get? And until I

598
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: see that number, I'm always kind of uneasy criticizing because

599
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: my natural inclination is to crush or command to contract.

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00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: But I've even had to pump the brakes a little bit,

601
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: like until I know the big real money, how do

602
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: I even judge this contract? Because at first, like Levi

603
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: on Bell signed for fifty two million, Well you don't

604
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, need to be Bill Belichick to realize, well,

605
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: that number is not real. And then it comes always

606
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: got thirty five million dollars guaranteed, you're like, well injury guaranteed.

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: His true guarantee of signing is twenty seven. So like

608
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: takes you a while. It takes you like twenty four

609
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: hours just to get the root of the of the money.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Solomon Thomas changed the positions now that

611
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: d Ford is on the roster? Uh? I wrote about

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00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: this today in the Athletic d for what d Ford is?

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00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Do you know the parallel I'd used for d floored

614
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: is Cliff April when he left the Lions to go

615
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Speaker 1: to Seattle. I used to watch Cliff Avril when I

616
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: was in the n f L. That's when he was

617
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: on Detroit, and I thought he was a one trick pony.

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00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: That was one trick was he was speed rusher, and

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Speaker 1: he was he was good. I think he added like

620
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Speaker 1: eleven sacks, but that they didn't think he could hold

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Speaker 1: up versus the run. Well, a great thing in the

622
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Speaker 1: Seattle scheme. You just kind of play the one gap

623
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Speaker 1: and you just go. He's the perfect type. Leo. Solomon

624
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Speaker 1: Thomas is a strong side defensive end against the run.

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00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: He's actually really physical, but he's not a great pass

626
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: rusher on the edge. But when you go to, you know,

627
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: in passive situations, d just stays at Leo. You bumped

628
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: Solomon in with the Forest, and you gotta find another

629
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Speaker 1: pass rusher. But that's or Nick Bosa, right or whoever

630
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: you get. That's a pretty good little pass rush scheme.

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Speaker 1: I like what you got going. So I think Solomon

632
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Thomas stays at defensive end on first down when they

633
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Speaker 1: think you're running, or any down when they think you're

634
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: gonna run, because he's much. He's a he's their best

635
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: run defender, right up there with the Forest Buckner. But

636
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: he's a really good run defender. He's just not a

637
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: good pass rusher from the edge. He's decent. He showed

638
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: signs inside. But yeah, I think I think the Ford

639
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: that was a really nice get. And I was telling

640
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: people on Twitter part of being disappointed, and again I'm selfish,

641
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm biased. I do a barrier centric podcast. Odell Beckham

642
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: would have been great for business. I write for the

643
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: Athletic that right about the Niners and the Raiders. Like

644
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining with Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown in

645
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: my backyard, Like that's that's that's interesting. It's a lot

646
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: better than Marcel Lightman and Dante Pettis. I promise you that.

647
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: But d Ford they weren't. They weren't. You know, they

648
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: didn't go get DeFord because they didn't get Odell Beckham.

649
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: They would have got Odell Beckham and they would have

650
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: gotten d Ford. Now they wouldn't have had the number

651
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: two pick anymore. Now, maybe they would have picked swapped.

652
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 1: Maybe they just would have given up the number two picks.

653
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but that was to me kind of sucked,

654
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Like you could add both those two guys, then all

655
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're going you got Odell Beckham, d Ford,

656
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: you still got the thirty six pick. You got something

657
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: going now. Uh. And they're desperate for a wide receiver.

658
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Their defensive line is gonna be good. Their defensive line,

659
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really good because they're gonna

660
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: draft a really good player at number two. But they

661
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: don't have a wide receiver. They got Tevin Coleman now

662
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon Kittle, but they don't have any more receivers.

663
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: And I don't know how they're gonna get one. You know,

664
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons aren't gonna give the forty niners Julio

665
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Speaker 1: Jones for a second round pick, and the Niners ain't

666
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: given number two for Julio Jones, So to me, that

667
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: deal is not really realistic. Are the Bengals really just

668
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: gonna give away a J. Green? Would I take give

669
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Speaker 1: my second round pick to get a J. Green? In

670
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: theory you would, but in reality you got a guy

671
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: who's over thirty, who's been banged up, excellent player. I

672
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: probably would. I don't love doing that, But if I

673
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: get Bosa or Quinnin Williams and a J. Green as

674
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: my first and second round picks, you I can live

675
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: with that. Where can we see some of your takes

676
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: on the Herd? I don't know. I need to. I

677
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: need to text someone to get that video. I'll do

678
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. His pickup game is definitely not NBA. Ready,

679
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: See this is Zion. Zion gotta be careful. I hope.

680
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I guess he's d M and Chicks. Okay, you never

681
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna find you when you just go

682
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: to d MS. Just start asking answering questions. You have

683
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: a video for the Herd. I gotta get a video.

684
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: People want that video. I'm gonna get that tomorrow. I

685
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: thought I gave a solid performance. I have a question

686
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: for the middlecoff mail back. If you had to rank

687
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Speaker 1: the top quarterback prospects in this year's draft, Murray Haskins,

688
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Drew Lock, and Daniel Jones, how would you rank him.

689
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: I'd go Kyler one. I'd go Haskins one B. I'll

690
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: be honest, I haven't watched that much Daniel Jones, and

691
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge true Lock guy, so I would

692
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: have those guys distance second and third. To me, there's

693
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: there's two quarterbacks that I've used first round guys and

694
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: no one else but a in like, I'm not studying

695
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: these guys, probably like Dave Gettleman here, but I watched

696
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a lot of college football on Saturdays, and I watched

697
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: Drew Lock multiple times and he never did it for me.

698
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: But it's clear that people in the NFL like Drew Lock,

699
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: which I don't know why. I'm gonna have to dig

700
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: in a little deeper as we get closer to the draft.

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00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: Do you think the Giants are playing the long con

702
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: and tanking this year to get the number one pick

703
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: and snag Trevor Lawrence. I don't buy them going after

704
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray at all. The problem with the long game

705
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: and trying to get Trevor Lawrence. He's a freshman, so

706
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: he's not He's not even draft eligible next year. And

707
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: if they were playing the long game, why would they

708
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: give Golden Tate all that money. He's got a text

709
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: from a guy in the NFL like an hour ago

710
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: that just tweeted me the contract for Golden Tate and

711
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: just said, morons, why why are they signing Golden Tate?

712
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: How do you trade Odell Beckham and then signed Golden

713
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: tap How does that make any sense? What are you

714
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: guys doing? It feels like the Giants are just lost

715
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: at seat there, lost on a river without a paddle,

716
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: just kind of floating around. They really are a dumpster

717
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: fire of a franchise right now. I don't think that

718
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: can that can really be? Uh really be? You know

719
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: everyone's saying that. I just think it has validity behind it.

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Speaker 1: Just finished watching the YouTube livestream. I was just wondering, what,

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Speaker 1: in your position was the best acquisition of the off

722
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: season by a team. Do any stand out? It has

723
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Speaker 1: to be to me, Odell Beckham. I think I think

724
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: that one's a pretty easy one. I'd go Odell Beckham.

725
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean Antonio Brown is pretty damn big for the

726
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: Raiders too. I go those two, they're right up there,

727
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: and I probably put the d Ford moves pretty big

728
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: for the Niners, I'd say, because they're so desperate for

729
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: an edge pass rusher, it's probably those three. But those

730
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: are the three best players, you know, those were the

731
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: three best players that were moved in the last I

732
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: guess a B was moved over the weekend, but the

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00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: last you know, five or six days. So yeah, I

734
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: mean the best players to move are the best acquisitions. Now,

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Speaker 1: like a solid acquisition that I liked, Uh, Honey Badger

736
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. That's a really good one. I think

737
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: Honey Badger was the best safety on the market. He

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00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: goes to a team that's desperate for the defense, desperate

739
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: for defensive leadership. They cut Eric Berry, they cut Justin Houston.

740
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: They have a void there and they get a guy

741
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Speaker 1: that's been a captain on multiple teams. He's just a badass.

742
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Honey Badger, don't care and he's gonna make plays. I

743
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: love that signing by Vich and Andy. That was I'd say,

744
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: Honey Badger beside the main guys, and really, Honey Badger

745
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: before he got injured, you know, would have been viewed

746
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: on the A b Odell Beckham, He's he was better

747
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: and DeFord Obviously d had a huge year, but I'm

748
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: just saying, like in his prime and he was like

749
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: a defensive Player of the Year type candidate. He was

750
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: that good. People sending me d ms making fun of

751
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson. Okay, last one, when this on the middlecoff

752
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: mail back, do you think that a luxury tax type

753
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: rule like they have in the NBA would work in

754
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: the NFL. But relating to dead money, I like where

755
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: this is going. A team with twenty million dollars in

756
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: dead money can pay twenty million dollars to get rid

757
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: of it. Oh, can pay twenty million dollars to get

758
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: rid of ten million dollars and dead money. The most

759
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: you could get rid of in a season is half.

760
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: So you have thirty million dollars and dead money, you

761
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: can pay. So if you have thirty million dollars and

762
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: dead money, you can pay sixty million dollars. Maybe I'm

763
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: not doing the map. Maybe I'll just say it. I'll

764
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: use your analogy. Twenty million to get rid of ten Okay,

765
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: I got you. So if you have twenty. If you

766
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: have twenty million and dead money, you'd have to pay forty. Yes,

767
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: so if you have thirty million day money, you gotta

768
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: pay get sixty Okay, yeah, you just double it asking

769
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: because the Saints keep pushing Drew Brees contract hit and

770
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: it will hit all when he retires, like Romo and Dallas.

771
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I have always believed that dead money,

772
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: like once the guy retires, it should be off your books.

773
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: And a lot of people on Twitter are you with me? Well,

774
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: you can't just keep pushing back your credit card payments,

775
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: credit card payments and pay pay the minimum, pay the

776
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: minimum and then eventually be fifty dollars in the hole

777
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: and just cancel the credit card and not owe Like

778
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: eventually you can keep robbing Peter to pay Paul, but

779
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: eventually you gotta pay Peter too. You know, you gotta

780
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: pay someone. So I think the NFL Competition Committee in

781
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: in the way. The general managers and owners think like

782
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: you should not get rewarded to be able to buy

783
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: your way out of it. All these teams have so

784
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: much money, they would just buy their way out of it.

785
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: The Cowboys definitely would. They have so much they would

786
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: just pay that, uh, to go down if you keep

787
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: moving the cap on your quarterback, because it's a huge hit, Like,

788
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: you can't just circumvent the rule forever. Eventually it comes

789
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: to roost, and it did on the Cowboys. What I

790
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: think the numbers this year was like Romo had a

791
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: big capitin and Dez Bryant, either guy was on the team,

792
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: one guy was cut and the other guy was retired.

793
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: To me, if you retire again, I do stand by this.

794
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: If you retire, I think your money should just go away.

795
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Now I think the argument would be, well, a guy

796
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady or better Officeburger, some of these older

797
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would just keep pushing it back and if they're

798
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: never gonna leave the team, they're gonna retire on the

799
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: same team. They would manipulate the cap pretty easily. So

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00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: I get that, Uh, but I don't know. I I

801
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: it feels weird to me that you can retire and

802
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: still have a huge cap hit, Like I'm sorry, especially

803
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Tony Romo, he just kind of randomly retired. They didn't

804
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: know he was gonna retire. He got injured, and then

805
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: DAC took over and it all kind of happened organically. Uh,

806
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: so I like where your head's at, and I wouldn't

807
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: be opposed to that. I just know the NFL would

808
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: never allow that. It would never get voted through. I

809
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: don't think because they it would benefit the dumb teams.

810
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: And when I say dumb, I just mean teams that

811
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: just do the basic move the money around just to

812
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: push it back another year, like the how Why would

813
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman that that'd be an advantage for team teams

814
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: that don't know how to manipulate the cap. You know,

815
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: the right way and the good way, the Parogue's, the Howie's,

816
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: even the Belichicks, they never get in really those situations.

817
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: The Cowboys do right, The Rams probably will the Raiders

818
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: have historically. Uh so, yeah, I I like, I like

819
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: the idea. I see where you're coming from, But I

820
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: think it's not even close to being an opportunity that

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Speaker 1: ever happens. Thanks for listening Three and Out Podcasts. Tell

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Speaker 1: your friends enjoy the weekend. It's been. It's been a

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00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: pretty damn good week of football. I mean, we've had

824
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of action. Now I feel like

825
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: next week is gonna be a pretty big letdown, but

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Speaker 1: this week was fun and I'm excited, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: ready for the n C Double A tournament next week

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk more football audios. Have a good one,

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Speaker 1: see you spend the same ends. S