Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.
Speaker 3: I'm strong and Gatty and he I'm strong and Edty.
Speaker 4: She wants reunification. He has said this time and time again.
Speaker 4: He's claimed that it is unstoppable. And look, this has
Speaker 4: been the position since the inception of the Chinese Communist Party,
Speaker 4: but it has become an obsession under She he wants
Speaker 4: the US to stop selling arms, to change his posture,
Speaker 4: and to reduce.
Speaker 3: Its support of Taiwan. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So the scary news so far in the big summit
Speaker 5: between Trump and President g She the leader of the
Speaker 5: two biggest economies in the world, the two leaders meeting
Speaker 5: is that man there right away on Taiwan. And as
Speaker 5: you just heard in that report there from CBS News,
Speaker 5: it has become an obsession of his that Taiwan, the
Speaker 5: independent country off the coast of China, become part of China.
Speaker 5: President she believes it is part of China and should
Speaker 5: become a full on part of China. Our position is
Speaker 5: currently no, you ain't, but President, she said to Trump yesterday.
Speaker 5: If handled poorly, it could lead to conflict in an
Speaker 5: extremely dangerous situation. I've seen no reporting on how Trump
Speaker 5: replied to that. Basically a threat from President She about
Speaker 5: don't get in our way if we decide to take Taiwan.
Speaker 5: So we got that on a little more of the
Speaker 5: optimistic side. This is just out from the White House.
Speaker 5: The two sides agreed that the strait of horror moves
Speaker 5: in Iran must remain open to support the free flow
Speaker 5: of energy.
Speaker 3: That's good that President She said.
Speaker 5: That also made clear that China's opposition to the militarization
Speaker 5: of the strait or any effort to charge a toll
Speaker 5: or anything like that. And both countries agreed Iran can
Speaker 5: never have a nuclear weapon. And I hope President She
Speaker 5: means those things. Sometimes he doesn't. Joining us now to
Speaker 5: discuss all of this. Gordon Chang, we've had on the
Speaker 5: show many times over the years of author and columnist,
Speaker 5: written a whole bunch of different great books that we've
Speaker 5: talked to him about. He's a columnist at the Daily Beast.
Speaker 5: You can follow him on Twitter at at Gordon g.
Speaker 3: Chang.
Speaker 5: Mister Chang, welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Appreciate
Speaker 5: you being here.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much. Jack, So, was that.
Speaker 3: A threat from President She on the whole Taiwan thing.
Speaker 1: Sure it was, and President Trump has responded. We've been
Speaker 1: told by a White House official speaking off the record,
Speaker 1: that there will be no change in US policy, which
Speaker 1: is good. Now, i'd like President Trump to publicly say, look,
Speaker 1: we're not changing our policy. Actually i'd like him to
Speaker 1: say we're defending Taiwan, because I think at some point
Speaker 1: we're going to need to do that. But saj thing
Speaker 1: has just been huffing and puffing, and I think President
Speaker 1: Trump knows it and he's just not feeling and Trump
Speaker 1: is feeling well, there's no point in actually opposing him publicly.
Speaker 1: But the US will not change its position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's damned interesting.
Speaker 5: I mean because the readout after their first talks, the
Speaker 5: Communist Party's readout was basically She's threat to Trump, with
Speaker 5: no indication of how Trump responded the White House. Initial
Speaker 5: White House readout didn't mention the Taiwan thing at all.
Speaker 5: It just talked about, you know, business relations. So that's
Speaker 5: interesting that you have an update on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and you can you know a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and there's a whole industry of people who will blame
Speaker 1: Trump for things he has not done, and this is
Speaker 1: one of them where people are really worried that Trump
Speaker 1: will sell out Taiwan. Now he hasn't done it yet
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll do it, and if he
Speaker 1: does it, we'll criticize him then for it. But until
Speaker 1: he does it, people should just sort of calm down
Speaker 1: a little bit. And I think it's important for us
Speaker 1: to give the president some credit here.
Speaker 3: Well. I don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what Trump's true thoughts on this,
Speaker 5: but I don't know that Kamala Harris would have defended
Speaker 5: Taiwan if you're president or Joe Biden or Barack Obama.
Speaker 5: I mean, so it's always been kind of an open
Speaker 5: question would we actually go to war with China to
Speaker 5: defend Taiwan if it came down to it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know where we.
Speaker 1: Are, yeah, well, and we also don't know where we
Speaker 1: are as Americans because we had to go back to
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty where Dean Ashison, who was Secretary of State
Speaker 1: at the time, publicly drew America's western defense perimeter that
Speaker 1: did not include South Korea. So that encouraged Kim olsungga
Speaker 1: North Korea to invade the South and what did Truman do.
Speaker 1: President Truman immediately say troops to defend South Korea. So
Speaker 1: we don't even know our own mind, but I believe
Speaker 1: that we would defend Taiwan because if we didn't, it
Speaker 1: would be catastrophic.
Speaker 3: That's what I want to ask you about.
Speaker 5: Explain to people why that would be a big deal
Speaker 5: if China was able to make Taiwan part of China
Speaker 5: in the same way that they did Hong Kong, Okay.
Speaker 1: First of all, Taiwan makes ninety two percent of the
Speaker 1: world's most sophisticated semiconductors, so forget about the future with
Speaker 1: involving microchips. But also, after the catastrophic which all from Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: Taiwan has become the test of American credibility and resolve
Speaker 1: around the world. China, which has been attacking democracies, we
Speaker 1: cannot allow them to absorb any democracy, especially one as
Speaker 1: important as Taiwan, because the propaganda would be malicious that
Speaker 1: the United States was no longer a world power. And also,
Speaker 1: since the eighteen hundreds, Americans have drawn our western defense
Speaker 1: perimeter off the coast of East Asia. Taiwan sits in
Speaker 1: the center of that critical line. It protects our allies
Speaker 1: Philippines in Japan. We would not be a world power
Speaker 1: if we allowed China to take Taiwan, and this would
Speaker 1: be just shameful. Forget about these strategic implications. It would
Speaker 1: just be shameful if we allowed that to happen.
Speaker 3: I agree with all that.
Speaker 5: And we're all seeing what the Strait of Hormuz has
Speaker 5: done to the world economy, and China controlling all the
Speaker 5: shipping lanes of that part of the world would make
Speaker 5: that look like nothing.
Speaker 1: Yes, and prison Trump deserves a lot of credit because
Speaker 1: just on April thirteenth, the Pentagon announced a defense pack
Speaker 1: with Indonesia. The Indonesian island of Sumatra is the southern
Speaker 1: end of the Strait of Malacca, which is far more
Speaker 1: important than the Strait of Hormuz to world commerce. So
Speaker 1: Trump is thinking about these things in a very determined way.
Speaker 1: So here again give him credit.
Speaker 3: So this is new from the White House.
Speaker 5: As I mentioned a little bit ago, wondered what your
Speaker 5: take on this isn't and this is good news that
Speaker 5: President she agreed that the straight of Horror moves, that's
Speaker 5: the Strait. With the war in Iran, we've been following
Speaker 5: must remain open. They don't get to charge tolls, all
Speaker 5: that sort of stuff. And he agreed Iran can never
Speaker 5: have a nuke.
Speaker 1: That's all good news, right, well mostly, And the reason
Speaker 1: is we need to keep the straight of Foremos closed
Speaker 1: until the Iranians actually give up their nuclear program and
Speaker 1: their ballistic missiles. And this puts a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on China, which we need not only for Iran but
Speaker 1: for other things. And you know, it's up to us.
Speaker 1: This is a fault not just of Trump, but of
Speaker 1: all his predecessors, going back to Clinton. Actually even before that,
Speaker 1: Iran has a nuclear weapons program because the Chinese planted
Speaker 1: theirs on Iranian soil. They did that by direct transfers
Speaker 1: of equipment, material and technology, but they also did it
Speaker 1: indirectly through the aq Con black market network of Pakistan. So,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people blame Trump for this war.
Speaker 1: Trump knows this. He needs to say it in public
Speaker 1: that there's a war because China made this war virtually inevitable.
Speaker 3: That's really interesting.
Speaker 5: I was struck yesterday watching the Leader's meet and all
Speaker 5: the kids dance around and everything like that under the
Speaker 5: watchful eye of a giant portrait of Chairman Mao that
Speaker 5: is there in the square. I can't believe that's not
Speaker 5: more remarked upon about the fact that you have this
Speaker 5: enormous poster painting whatever it is, of Chairman Mouth, the
Speaker 5: guy responsible for more deaths than maybe anyone in human history.
Speaker 1: So you're right about that. Mao is responsible for more
Speaker 1: death than any other figure in history, more than Hitler,
Speaker 1: more than Stalin, more than Gengha's Khan. It's just Mao's
Speaker 1: death toll is enormous. We don't know exactly what it was,
Speaker 1: but from a number of events, especially the famine following
Speaker 1: the Great Leap Forward at the end of the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties in the beginning of the nineteen sixties was horrific.
Speaker 1: Mao should have known or knew what was happening, but
Speaker 1: allowed the famine to continue. And this is something that
Speaker 1: the United States needs to talk about. You know, the
Speaker 1: Communist Party maliciously hits us every day with propaganda, except
Speaker 1: for the two weeks around a visit of an American
Speaker 1: leader to China or vice versa. But apart from that,
Speaker 1: you get malicious propaganda every day, and the United States
Speaker 1: needs to hit back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like some sort of statement about that.
Speaker 5: There's a cognitive dissonance thing going on in my brain
Speaker 5: that we can have Elon Musk and all these people
Speaker 5: in Trump everyone were all smile and holding the hands,
Speaker 5: and the kids are the dancing around, and you got
Speaker 5: the most evil person in world history looking down on it.
Speaker 5: Seems like somebody ought to throw out by the way,
Speaker 5: that system is currently in place, and that's evil.
Speaker 3: But I guess nobody wants to upset the apple cart.
Speaker 1: Right, and that system has declared the United States to
Speaker 1: be its enemy. And we need to say that we
Speaker 1: ignored Osama Bin Laden, we're ignoring the Chinese. Both believe
Speaker 1: that they must destroy the United States. Fortunately we killed
Speaker 1: Osama Bin Laden, but China is still in a position
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 5: Gordon Chang, thanks for joining us today on short notice.
Speaker 5: I know you're super busy. Everybody wants to hear from you.
Speaker 5: Find him on Twitter at least at Gordon G. Chang
Speaker 5: or writing his column for The Daily Beast. Thanks for
Speaker 5: your time today. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you, Jack.
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Speaker 5: could call out the Soviet Union for being bad, although
Speaker 5: we didn't always. When when Reagan back in the eighties said,
Speaker 5: you know, called the Soviet Union an evil empire, A
Speaker 5: lot of people you can't say that that's revocative or whatever.
Speaker 5: So we didn't even very often with the Soviet Union
Speaker 5: point out loud how awful they were, and we weren't
Speaker 5: nearly as economically intertwined or dependent. I looked this up
Speaker 5: before the show today, because I'm that sort of statistic geek.
Speaker 5: The Soviet Union had about a third of our economic power.
Speaker 5: We were the number one economy throughout the Cold War.
Speaker 5: They had about a third of our economic power. China
Speaker 5: is about seventy five percent of our economic power, and
Speaker 5: in some ways of measuring they're equal to us. So
Speaker 5: it's a completely different ballgame. So I guess that's why
Speaker 5: business leaders, including our president, aren't gonna call them an
Speaker 5: evil empire. But when you got Chairman Mao staring down
Speaker 5: over everybody as the leading killer of humans in human history,
Speaker 5: that is really weird that nobody says anything out loud
Speaker 5: about that. Not I mean, why doesn't the CBS Evening
Speaker 5: News say that. By the way, there's as you can
Speaker 5: see in the background, there's Chairman Mao responsible for the
Speaker 5: deaths of thirty to fifty million people.
Speaker 3: Why why does nobody say that out loud? Isn't that weird?
Speaker 5: I have assumed that if you were in Munich and
Speaker 5: he had a giant Hitler poster.
Speaker 3: Somebody would say.
Speaker 5: Something, I don't know you had any thoughts on that
Speaker 5: text line four one five two nine five kftc.
Speaker 6: Oh when people are talking about this, the President just
Speaker 6: started his latest renovation project, painting the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool,
Speaker 6: American flag blue during the Rose Garden, remodeled the ballroom
Speaker 6: and a new pool. And pretty sure Trump's trying to
Speaker 6: flip the White House.
Speaker 3: That's a funny joke. It's a pretty funny joke. I
Speaker 3: don't remember. I was just in DC last summer with
Speaker 3: the kids.
Speaker 2: Was it.
Speaker 5: What color was the reflecting pool? I think it was
Speaker 5: just kind of cement colored on the bottom. Anyway, kind
Speaker 5: of a cool idea. What's your second favorite joke? Mine,
Speaker 5: what's the second funniest joke you got? We got a
Speaker 5: bunch of jokes. The democrat mayor of an La suburb
Speaker 5: admitted to being a Chinese agent, and already Eric Swalwell
Speaker 5: is trying to ROOPI her.
Speaker 3: I like that joke.
Speaker 5: This just came across you know how much time. Maybe
Speaker 5: we'll get into details on it later. You Cela Medical
Speaker 5: School accused of racial discrimination and defiance of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: Supreme Court made a ruling a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: you can't choose people based on race. That's racism. That's racism. Well,
Speaker 5: you CLA medical school, one of the most prestigious schools
Speaker 5: to learn how to be a doctor in the whole country,
Speaker 5: apparently is still doing that, and the Department of Justice
Speaker 5: is going after him. Look at this example, and they've
Speaker 5: got the data to back it up, and the DOJ's findings.
Speaker 5: Black and Hispanic students were admitted into medical school some
Speaker 5: years with their MCAT scores. The MCAT is the tests
Speaker 5: you take to get into medical You take the l
Speaker 5: SAT to get into lawyer school, you take the m
Speaker 5: CAT to get into medical school. I took the can
Speaker 5: you fog the mirror test to get into the colleges
Speaker 5: I went into.
Speaker 3: But anyway, they admitted.
Speaker 5: Black and Hispanic students sometimes with scores in the sixty
Speaker 5: sixth to seventy second percentile, while not letting in Asian
Speaker 5: and white students who had scores over eighty percent. So
Speaker 5: you're saying, sorry, Asian kid, that's got a you're in
Speaker 5: the ninetieth percentile. You can't graduate from UCLA medical school.
Speaker 5: But yes, you black or Hispanic kid with sixty sixth percentile,
Speaker 5: that's getting way down there.
Speaker 3: You can get agno medical school. What kind of freaking
Speaker 3: crazy theory is that.
Speaker 5: You're one of the most predigious, prestigious medical schools in
Speaker 5: the world.
Speaker 3: Don't you want the best candidates regardless?
Speaker 5: I just I don't. I can't get in the head
Speaker 5: of these people. You think you're righting the wrongs of
Speaker 5: history by sending less good doctors out there with your credentials.
Speaker 3: Attached to them. It just seems nuts to me.
Speaker 5: It's so incredibly unfair and just it's shooting yourself in
Speaker 5: the foot in so many different ways. Anyway, that's still
Speaker 5: going on, and I'm sure we'll get more details about
Speaker 5: that as the Justice Department pursues that.
Speaker 3: It's just so nuts.
Speaker 5: I do want to get into the story of whether
Speaker 5: or not in California prisons they are giving prisoners iPads
Speaker 5: paid for by the taxpayer. In fact, they got them
Speaker 5: new iPads because they were these poor prisoners still had
Speaker 5: iPads from twenty eighteen. And you can't have some prisoner
Speaker 5: in there with a seven year old iPad. That'd be unfair.
Speaker 5: I have a seven year old iPad AnyWho. We bought
Speaker 5: them brand new iPads at a cost of like twice
Speaker 5: what you'd pay it best buy. But they have access
Speaker 5: to porn and all kinds of different stuff, was the story.
Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom pushing back on that story hard, and then
Speaker 5: the pushback on the pushback has been pretty hard. So
Speaker 5: if we have time to jam that in a little
Speaker 5: bit later we will. Coming up, We're going to talk
Speaker 5: to Mike Lyons, our favorite military analyst, about where things
Speaker 5: are with the war in Iran kind of on the
Speaker 5: back burner a little as Trump is in China.
Speaker 3: Trump's not in.
Speaker 5: China long though he flies back tomorrow, and we'll still
Speaker 5: be stuck in the same spot where we were before,
Speaker 5: where it looks like to Joe and I, the only
Speaker 5: way to change the status quo is a serious military
Speaker 5: hit back to bombing. And that's what I want to
Speaker 5: ask Mike Lions about us. Want to ask Mike about
Speaker 5: that report from the New York Times that came out.
Speaker 5: Iran's got a heck of a lot of rockets and
Speaker 5: a lot of rocket launchers left a lot more than
Speaker 5: we've ought.
Speaker 3: What's to deal with that?
Speaker 5: So all that stuff we will get to throughout the show,
Speaker 5: and a special announcement from Katie Green Katie Katie the
Speaker 5: news lady in our four that you're gonna want to
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Speaker 5: So there is a bit of a breaking, big news
Speaker 5: story around Trump's visit to Beijing. As President She of
Speaker 5: China has pushed this Taiwan thing more and harder than
Speaker 5: I think anybody was expecting, like over and over again,
Speaker 5: each time they sit down to meet or like, no
Speaker 5: matter whatever topic we bring up, she goes back to
Speaker 5: Taiwan being a really big deal and very important to him,
Speaker 5: and Taiwan belongs to us, and over and over again.
Speaker 5: And I think that's interesting. We're getting more reporting on that.
Speaker 5: Give you this version from the New York Post before
Speaker 5: we get to Mike Lyons, because I want to ask
Speaker 5: him about this, and a bunch of other stuff. A
Speaker 5: very different story began to emerge behind closed doors after
Speaker 5: President she continually pressed the issue of Taiwan. The mid
Speaker 5: morning sit down ran long, about forty minutes over its
Speaker 5: scheduled time. Trump was notably quieter. At the next stop.
Speaker 5: He ignored shouted questions. The bodied language of both presidents
Speaker 5: was noticeably stiffer than it was earlier, as in there
Speaker 5: had been some you know, confrontation, and they had reached
Speaker 5: a point of things being uncomfortable around this issue, and
Speaker 5: their people are putting out very strong language about it,
Speaker 5: and we're reiterating that Taiwan is a free nation and
Speaker 5: we support them anyway. It's kind of a surprise in
Speaker 5: the whole thing. We'd like to welcome to the show,
Speaker 5: Mike Liones. We love talking to Mike about anything militarily.
Speaker 5: You can follow him at a jay is in Major
Speaker 5: m a J. Mike Lyons on his Twitter feed. He
Speaker 5: just had an op ed Indefense dot Com about ai
Speaker 5: in our relationship with China, which we'll talk about a
Speaker 5: little bit. But hey, Mike, what do you think about
Speaker 5: this hardcore push from President she about how we're taking
Speaker 5: Taiwan someday and don't get no way or there will
Speaker 5: be a war.
Speaker 3: That's basically what he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, I saw that report that comes from you know,
Speaker 2: kind of an old Greek model about kind of rising
Speaker 2: powers and existing powers, and the bottom line is that
Speaker 2: could ruin everything between the US and China. That seems
Speaker 2: to be their their hard line. I think I think
Speaker 2: President She is trying to understand Donald Trump's language of leverage,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what he's trying to use as
Speaker 2: leverage back to everything that the President wanted and wants
Speaker 2: to accomplish in the summit. He brought all the CEOs.
Speaker 2: He's bringing all this with his perceived leverage into the equation,
Speaker 2: and I think President She is just trying to you know,
Speaker 2: pivot that way. And they see them as this rising
Speaker 2: power and he recognizes the US as a ruling power,
Speaker 2: and to frame it the way he has means that
Speaker 2: potentially war could be inevitable if if we decide to
Speaker 2: involve ourselves with it. We've just sold them billions of
Speaker 2: dollars and ten or twelve billion dollars worth of military equipment.
Speaker 2: But she is pretty serious about making this whole thing
Speaker 2: as a very hands off operation.
Speaker 3: Where's the reality on this?
Speaker 5: Just as a like an outside observer, it seems to
Speaker 5: me that China's way got the upper hand just because
Speaker 5: of the proximity. If they decided to take Taiwan, it
Speaker 5: would be really hard for.
Speaker 3: Us to stop them.
Speaker 2: It would it would require us forces firing missiles into
Speaker 2: mainland China, which would then start this war. That's the
Speaker 2: only way you could you could possibly stop this and
Speaker 2: you know, to keep them from taking it. And I
Speaker 2: think right now our mentality has been well, besides strategic
Speaker 2: ambiguity about it, it's this kind of poork Pine effect.
Speaker 2: Just give Taiwan enough equipment that it would make the
Speaker 2: cost of taking it militarily so high, you know, similar
Speaker 2: to what we thought would have happened in Ukraine. The
Speaker 2: cost of it was too high. It didn't stop the
Speaker 2: Russians there, you know. Again, for China to be a
Speaker 2: global power though in this century, and we're all convincing
Speaker 2: ourselves that China is the rising power and the US
Speaker 2: is the falling power, I just don't buy that yet
Speaker 2: requorder of the way into the century and China has
Speaker 2: still yet flexed any kind of military muscle or any
Speaker 2: kind of military might in that regard. Now, this would be,
Speaker 2: like anything else, would be considered an easier military operation
Speaker 2: to your point, because of proximity, but it could start
Speaker 2: a very large conflict in the region that that. Frankly,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the US would give up potentially a
Speaker 2: West Coast city for if they decided to fire a
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon at It's based on what we're doing, man,
Speaker 2: and it is.
Speaker 5: The headlines everywhere that I'm looking that Taiwan emerges as
Speaker 5: key topic and all that sort of thing where we
Speaker 5: were kind of hoping to make it a backburner topic.
Speaker 5: But uh, that's not the way things have turned out. Okay, Well,
Speaker 5: I'm glad I got to ask you all about that.
Speaker 5: So you've got this piece at defense dot com about
Speaker 5: AI and how the next summit between China and the
Speaker 5: United States should be a cooperational very AI. I can
Speaker 5: talk about AI all day long. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you've heard where of this, but I read all the books,
Speaker 5: I listen to all the podcasts. I'm fascinated by the topic.
Speaker 5: What's your take on it from a military standpoint?
Speaker 2: Well, I think, you know, I put my Cold War
Speaker 2: you know hat on again and look back and say,
Speaker 2: you know, AI is a potential nuclear weapon that can
Speaker 2: destroy the Earth if we let it involved with targeting
Speaker 2: and if we let it make decisions. Think of you know,
Speaker 2: the terminator. And it's not a joke anymore. I Mean,
Speaker 2: we're we're operating a war right now at scale with
Speaker 2: AI in terms of our targeting and the closing the
Speaker 2: kill chain, the time in between we recognize the target
Speaker 2: and then can engage that target. And we've got to
Speaker 2: get with China to create someone like another salt treaty,
Speaker 2: a strategic arms limitation treat you treat it like it's
Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon. Get them in US to agree to
Speaker 2: a certain lines about where AI is used in specifically
Speaker 2: the offense. You know, it's one thing to use AI
Speaker 2: techniques in the defense, as Israel does with it's Iron Dome.
Speaker 2: Iron Dome is fundamentally AI driven. A rockets coming at
Speaker 2: Israel and the computer decides whether or not to engage
Speaker 2: that rocket or not. It's not a human pulling the trigger. Well,
Speaker 2: if you had that on the offense, that just creates
Speaker 2: a whole different set of variables that you might not
Speaker 2: be able to ever stop. So you can get what's
Speaker 2: instead of having mutually assured destruction, which is a strategic
Speaker 2: to terms for nuclear weapons, you could have, you know,
Speaker 2: mutually automated destruction, where once it starts, both sides would
Speaker 2: be completely destroyed just based on automation alone. So we've
Speaker 2: got to sit down with them very quickly and get
Speaker 2: both sides to agree on certain red lines when it
Speaker 2: comes to the military use of artificial intelligence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, of course, you know the wild card is
Speaker 5: if it goes to artificial general intelligence or super general intelligence,
Speaker 5: that you know, there might not be any controlling AI
Speaker 5: at all by anyone. So that's yeah, that's out there
Speaker 5: as a possibility. I'm glad you're taking it this seriously.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's that big a deal too, and
Speaker 5: it just doesn't getting enough talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think a lot of it just
Speaker 2: has to do with the decisions are being made in
Speaker 2: corporate America by the AI companies and what they're going
Speaker 2: to do and what they're not going to do. When
Speaker 2: it comes to giving our government, I think that the
Speaker 2: US or Congress has got to get involved. If there's
Speaker 2: a uniform code, similar to way the President conducts covert operations,
Speaker 2: we need to put a US code in place that
Speaker 2: says this is how we're going to use artificial intelligence,
Speaker 2: and this is how the military will use it, and
Speaker 2: codify it in law, and then show that to the
Speaker 2: Chinese's similar to what we did the Russians, get them
Speaker 2: to agree on doing it in their side and with
Speaker 2: their military, and again at least we don't have it
Speaker 2: in the offense. It's one thing for the defense. I
Speaker 2: think in the defense, artificial intelligence is a game changer
Speaker 2: in some ways and it protects you. But doing it
Speaker 2: in the offense is really where the red line has
Speaker 2: to be drawn.
Speaker 5: If you're interested in this topic. Mike's got a piece
Speaker 5: at defense dot com. So we got to talk about Iran.
Speaker 5: Obviously wor at war with that country, and we seem
Speaker 5: to be stuck. They they think they can wait us out,
Speaker 5: we think we can wait them out. And then there
Speaker 5: is that a new story that came out. It was
Speaker 5: anonymous quotes from our intelligence, but it seemed pretty well
Speaker 5: sourced that Iran has way more rockets and missiles and
Speaker 5: rocket launchers left than we were led to believe.
Speaker 3: First of all, do you believe that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't. They'll take You're right they have. I
Speaker 2: mean again, it's all it's not even just the rockets themselves,
Speaker 2: it's all of the systems together, and they just can't
Speaker 2: scale it on any level anymore. It's one thing, you know,
Speaker 2: to launch a rocket, it is not just you know,
Speaker 2: pointing and shooting. At this point, you have to have radars,
Speaker 2: you have to have fire direction, all the different components
Speaker 2: of it are destroyed. So it's it's you know, it's
Speaker 2: like having you know, empty weapons. If they have, then
Speaker 2: they I'm sure they have you know, fifty to one
Speaker 2: hundred or so maybe if the fact that they started
Speaker 2: with ten thousand, they started with a large amount, but
Speaker 2: at scale they just can't deploy them, is really what's
Speaker 2: going on here. So I don't believe any of that
Speaker 2: at all. I think I think the wit out period
Speaker 2: that you know, the president is trying to be as
Speaker 2: diplomatic as possible, and those of us in the military
Speaker 2: are like, let's go, come on, let's finish this off.
Speaker 2: I mean, every single analyst you see on television right now,
Speaker 2: that's what they're saying. And I think that's would be
Speaker 2: the most you know, viable, quickly, quick way to end
Speaker 2: this thing. But you know, the President wants to stick
Speaker 2: to the di plomacy right now, So that's what we're
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 5: Do well, And I think MBS of Saudi Arabia would
Speaker 5: agree with you, and MBZ at the u over there
Speaker 5: at the UAE would agree with you.
Speaker 3: So do you expect that to happen? That's what I
Speaker 3: expect to happen.
Speaker 2: I do. I think they can't risk leaving Iran weak
Speaker 2: but still able to move forward, and that's you know,
Speaker 2: that does mean regime change. And never seen this historically happen,
Speaker 2: you know from the air in that regard. But they're
Speaker 2: looking for the country to internally collapse economically. But we
Speaker 2: can't leave them in a situation where in twenty years
Speaker 2: they're back doing it to you know, another different population,
Speaker 2: and that's still threatening the Middle East. And this president
Speaker 2: again is taking care of all family business. I think
Speaker 2: that he's not finishing. He says it all the time.
Speaker 2: He says, it's more important that we take care of
Speaker 2: the nuclear aspect here, and so I'm glad to see
Speaker 2: him do it. It's long overdue.
Speaker 3: Seems like there's a lot of flash points out there
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Different yeah, no, in different spots. It's still they can
Speaker 2: still happen in the Pacific, in any of those straits
Speaker 2: that are there. Venezuela looks like that's going well. You know,
Speaker 2: Trump's talking about making them a fifty first state. I
Speaker 2: think Cuba will get resolved once Iran does. But I
Speaker 2: think again, the major one is in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's no proxy force that's been out
Speaker 2: there for Iran. Right now, we haven't seen terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2: Could be the calm before the storm. We'll see. Maybe
Speaker 2: Trump's try to get China to intervene. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: not happy with Pakistan being the mediators. They're not Trump,
Speaker 2: They're not independence here. They're on the side of Iran.
Speaker 2: And I think you Sultn'ty Graham go go kind of
Speaker 2: crazy over that at a Senate hearing the other day.
Speaker 2: Maybe China is going to get involved. Trump's doing every
Speaker 2: camp but I think he's very Machubilian. He's treating China,
Speaker 2: he's flattering them, he's doing all he can, but he's
Speaker 2: also brought the hammer. He's not looking to be loved.
Speaker 2: He still wants to be feared by them.
Speaker 3: That's Mike Lyons.
Speaker 5: You can read his AI piece the next Summit that
Speaker 5: Trump should have at defense dot com. You can follow
Speaker 5: him at m Aj Mike Lyons on Twitter. Thanks for
Speaker 5: your time today, Mike.
Speaker 3: Appreciate that.
Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, thanks for me?
Speaker 3: Was it?
Speaker 5: Oh reeldefense dot com? Sorry, is just under lend defense
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Speaker 3: Here, Michael?
Speaker 5: Okay, why is it only interlined at defense dot com? Okay,
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Speaker 3: I hate the fact that.
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Speaker 5: I hope my clients is right. He has a lot
Speaker 5: of sources himself in the pushback against that big story.
Speaker 5: The New York Times had the other day saying that
Speaker 5: ran still retains something like seventy percent of their rockets
Speaker 5: and thirty out of thirty five, I think they said
Speaker 5: of the rocket launchers right there along the straight or
Speaker 5: horror moves.
Speaker 3: Mike doesn't believe that. I hope he's right.
Speaker 5: Would the New York Times go with some analyst that
Speaker 5: wants to make Trump look bad?
Speaker 1: Hell?
Speaker 5: Yeah they would. So what's actually the truth? I don't know,
Speaker 5: But in terms of hoping, I hope Mike's right. Gonna
Speaker 5: talk to Katie, Katie, the news lady who's got a
Speaker 5: major announcement in an hour four I hope he can
Speaker 5: stick around for that if he can't get the podcast
Speaker 5: Armstrong and Getty on demand.
Speaker 2: Armstrong, Hey, Getty, I just.
Speaker 5: Reading about this is what I do during the commercial break.
Speaker 5: So I was just reading about Britney spears bizarre behavior
Speaker 5: at a restaurant last night and Los Angeles acting all
Speaker 5: drunk and crazy. This is like she just got out
Speaker 5: of rehab and then she's at a restaurant act in.
Speaker 3: That girl's not gonna sea I'm gonna have long to live?
Speaker 3: Is she?
Speaker 1: Is?
Speaker 5: She gonna make it out of her forties? Of course,
Speaker 5: I would never thought she'd make it out of her twenties.
Speaker 5: Reading through some of my newses, I've got on here
Speaker 5: on my phone and I haven't had time to get
Speaker 5: to so far. Today they had a debate. Was it
Speaker 5: a debate or just a statement anyway? Current mayor of
Speaker 5: Los Angeles, Karen Bass had a little speech about how
Speaker 5: we taxpayers need to pay for teeth for drug addicts
Speaker 5: who've rotted the teeth are out of their heads. She said,
Speaker 5: how many people who are unhoused that you meet have no.
Speaker 3: Teeth at all.
Speaker 5: They don't have teeth because meth rots your teeth. You
Speaker 5: can't succeed without teeth. So there needs to be comprehensive
Speaker 5: healthcare provided to people. The idea that the meth addicts
Speaker 5: that have rotted the teeth out of their head by
Speaker 5: doing meth. We taxpayers need to buy them teeth so
Speaker 5: they can got to get a job how they supposed to.
Speaker 5: I can get a decent job and get off the
Speaker 5: streets if they don't have teeth. I will admit that
Speaker 5: that it probably makes it more difficult to get a
Speaker 5: good job if you are toothless.
Speaker 3: But wasn't my fault. Wasn't my problem? You kept you did.
Speaker 5: You did meth to the point that you lost your teeth,
Speaker 5: and now I'm supposed to pay to put your teeth
Speaker 5: back in your head or fake teeth anyway. Spencer Pratt,
Speaker 5: the reality star with all the clever ads who might
Speaker 5: end up being the mayor of Los Angeles, said our
Speaker 5: city leaders are incompetent. Her response was, I propose free
Speaker 5: dentures for meth heads. That's not the way she said it,
Speaker 5: but that's what she was saying. That's hilarious. I hope
Speaker 5: those days are over where people go along with that.
Speaker 5: Ah frustrating. I wanted to get to this. Wall Street
Speaker 5: Apes is a pretty good follow on Twitter if you
Speaker 5: ever do it. Anyway, breaking down the nonprofit scam that
Speaker 5: happens a lot of places. This is a California nonprofit,
Speaker 5: but it can happen anywhere, and not all nonprofits are
Speaker 5: scams by any means. I mean, we've raised money for
Speaker 5: lots of nonprofits and you can go to the UH.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of different websites that talk about charities
Speaker 5: or nonprofits and get into their books because they have
Speaker 5: to be open and how you know if you give
Speaker 5: them money, how well it's going to be spent in
Speaker 5: that sort of thing. There's some great, great nonprofits out there,
Speaker 5: but there are a lot that aren't that are just scams.
Speaker 3: Here's an example.
Speaker 5: The nonprofit San Diego Humane Society, well who's against the
Speaker 5: Humane society they're trying to help puppies and kittens, is
Speaker 5: sitting on over one hundred million dollars their total annual revenue.
Speaker 5: Last year, seventy two point nine million dollars were paid
Speaker 5: out in salaries and compensation. The CEO makes about a
Speaker 5: half million dollars a year. Maybe you could make the
Speaker 5: argument that you need somebody at that of that quality
Speaker 5: to run the place. I don't know, I'll bet you
Speaker 5: could find some pretty good retired business people who would
Speaker 5: do it for nothing. Anyway, the nonprofit gets ten million
Speaker 5: dollars from taxpayer every year. So to recap they take
Speaker 5: in seventy three million. They spend forty five million of
Speaker 5: the seventy three on salaries and instead of services like spaying, neutering,
Speaker 5: rescuing and adopting, helping animals, all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 5: forty five million of the seventy three million they take
Speaker 5: in is on salaries and compensation, which can include you this.
Speaker 5: This is what you do in a nonprofit. You start
Speaker 5: a nonprofit and you get a salary that is probably
Speaker 5: way too high. But in addition, I'd like to know
Speaker 5: the CEO that makes a half million dollars a year.
Speaker 5: I'll bet that CEO gets a car which is worth
Speaker 5: a lot. I'll bet that CEO travels some and gets
Speaker 5: put and travels for free, maybe even first class. I'll
Speaker 5: bet that CEO and a whole bunch of other people
Speaker 5: around him at that humane society get They stay in
Speaker 5: nice hotels, and you gotta eat. Everybody has to eat,
Speaker 5: so you go up to a nice restaurant. And why
Speaker 5: wouldn't a humane society pay for that. There's so many
Speaker 5: nonprofits that scam. When I hear nonprofit, my first thought
Speaker 5: is Okay, here we go. I start from a prove
Speaker 5: to me you're actually a nonprofit and not a fraud scam,
Speaker 5: and everybody should feel that way. And this is what
Speaker 5: Wall Street Ape says, nonprofits are a scam. It's money
Speaker 5: laundering and fraud. Abolish nonprofits. I would have no problem
Speaker 5: with that, or at least have much much stricter rules
Speaker 5: around it. How much time I got, Michael little Lit'll
Speaker 5: send in a minute. Okay, man, I don't know if
Speaker 5: I want to get into this. There is a very prominent,
Speaker 5: well known writer at the New York Times, maybe you know,
Speaker 5: maybe you don't. Nick Christoff, who had a piece the
Speaker 5: other day about Israel, the IDF and specific raping people
Speaker 5: that included a bizarre story about German Shepherd's raping people.
Speaker 5: Turned out none of it is true, none of it
Speaker 5: could be backed up, sorts was fraudulent. And this is
Speaker 5: ballooning over the last forty eight hours into a really
Speaker 5: big story. This is a major columnist that ran with
Speaker 5: a hard anti Israel, damning story that turned out to
Speaker 5: not be true. And I think there are some heads
Speaker 5: that could roll on this story and it's going to
Speaker 5: be a big deal. It should be a big deal.
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