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Speaker 1: So let's see what happens the Car Doctor. You don't

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Speaker 1: another one. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and

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Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor. Since this is where car owners

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Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: five five five six and now running. Hey, very busy

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Speaker 1: Ron Anian the Car doctorate your service. Let's go over

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Speaker 1: to Greg and Maryland. Greg, welcome aboard, sir. How can

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Speaker 1: I help you today? Thank you? Sir. Hey, I've got

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Speaker 1: a gmc envoy's my wife's son. Boy. She loves that

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Speaker 1: what's maybe every two weeks the vehicle or cranking cranking,

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Speaker 1: it set for like ten minutes, fires right up. Not

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Speaker 1: are saying, everything's the same, everything he runs beautiful. It's

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Speaker 1: Any kind of code scanning been done to this attle?

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Speaker 1: Grand I did? I did do our coach stand Just listen.

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Speaker 1: This last weekend, she was having an issue with her

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Speaker 1: what did you use? It was? You're just looking at

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Speaker 1: it like this. UM. Cars speak two languages, all right,

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Speaker 1: at look at your Look at your computer at home.

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Speaker 1: if it's Windows based, So Windows is your manufacturer language, right,

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Speaker 1: It is a possibility. So do those things. You got

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Speaker 1: another question, you give me a call. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: suggest putting up a one side marker bab into the

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Speaker 1: talk some more. All right, I appreciate it, Ron, thank

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Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to diagnostics, it's really a

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Speaker 1: We've got to go through this one step at a time.

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Speaker 1: So Greg will be all right and he'll give me

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Speaker 1: Busy busy show today. Let's get over to Sue in Stanton, Virginia. Sue,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I have a two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Eisenstein of the Detroit Bureau, welcome back, Paul, Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: great to be with you. Um. You know you're a

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Speaker 1: to see fewer people working at the local service station. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of the technology just as so

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Speaker 1: simple electric motors, as you know, just don't break down.

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Speaker 1: You have single gear transmissions, so there are a lot

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Speaker 1: less complex And then when you get to the assembly plant.

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Speaker 1: I've done some stories on this over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, and it looks like you will probably see

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Speaker 1: fewer people on the assembly line because the electric vehicles

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Speaker 1: are simply less complex, particularly when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: powertrain technology. So you know what I keep thinking about

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Speaker 1: is and I get it. I hear this, and I

435
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Speaker 1: read this, and and you know, I do my share

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Speaker 1: of snooping around the Detroit Bureau dot Com myself, and

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Speaker 1: you know, I get it. The electric cars is not

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Speaker 1: a bad idea. It's come a long way. It's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of improvements. But you know, so I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here and I'm thinking to myself, what are we gonna

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Speaker 1: do with everybody that's now being laid off? What are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do with all the extra oil left in

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Speaker 1: the ground? What do we do with the gasoline industry

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Speaker 1: that we no longer need because as we're not refining

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Speaker 1: for gasoline anymore. What do we do with the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: service station? Does it become a battery recharging center? Um,

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Speaker 1: you know what happens? I mean, has anybody and this

448
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Speaker 1: is my argument for all this, has anybody got something,

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Speaker 1: you know, either very concrete or very you know, if he,

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Speaker 1: if he maybe of how are we going to create

451
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Speaker 1: all this? We're talking something very star trek ish in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, about how do we just change the future

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Speaker 1: like this? Well, you're right, uh, we are going to

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Speaker 1: have to adapt as a society. But let's look back

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Speaker 1: a little bit. What happened when the horse and buggy

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Speaker 1: was replaced by the automobile, When we had the the

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Speaker 1: emergence of the spindle top, which was the first big gusher.

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Speaker 1: All these things the railroad. Before that, the railroad displaced

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Speaker 1: people working on canals and on boats, on riverboats. Right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is the way we've had. It happened through out

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Speaker 1: our history. Uh. And anybody that says, oh, we've got

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Speaker 1: to stay the same, we've got to stick with the

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Speaker 1: gas engine because of displacement by electric vehicles, well, guess what, guys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: history of transportation in the United States has evolved a hundredfold,

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Speaker 1: but not too far from where I'm doing I am

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Speaker 1: during this interview. Uh, there's an old plank road, you know,

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Speaker 1: they used to They used to create these roads over

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Speaker 1: the muddy fields of places like Michigan and New York

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Speaker 1: where they would put planks down before they had asphalt.

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Speaker 1: Well guess what that displaced some people in the timber industry. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: so we are going to have to look at changes

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Speaker 1: we've already seen it. You know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: electronic componentry, not electrical, but electronic componentry in vehicles, and

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Speaker 1: they're creating tremendous numbers of very high paid jobs for

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Speaker 1: people who know how to do this software. Uh, never

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Speaker 1: mind the hardware for for the few sure electronic vehicles,

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Speaker 1: for all the infotainment technology, the autonomous vehicle technology and

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Speaker 1: the like. Uh. The reality is there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of people displaced from old jobs in the

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Speaker 1: auto industry moving forward, and we're going to have to

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Speaker 1: as a nation think about that now. And I suppose,

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Speaker 1: I suppose, Paul, let me just jump in. I suppose

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Speaker 1: that you know there's gonna be economic fallout because now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, well, unless I'm saying this wrong,

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Speaker 1: the Middle East doesn't count anymore in terms of oil

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Speaker 1: and gas production, right, we don't necessarily that's not a

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Speaker 1: factor anymore. And that's that's got good. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Let's pull over and take a pause. Let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: ponder that during the course of the break, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about it when we return. I'm with Paul eisen

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Speaker 1: started the Detroit Bureau, the Detroit Bureau dot com y

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Speaker 1: and the Car Doctor. Back right after this, welcome back

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Speaker 1: rone any of the car Doctor. We're here talking with

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Speaker 1: Paul Eisensteiner, the Detroit Bureau, the Detroit Bureau dot com poll.

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Speaker 1: When we pulled away, we were you know, we we

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Speaker 1: hit upon something in our conversation, the economic impact of

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Speaker 1: the electric car, But how will it affect You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a political economic factor here that now

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Speaker 1: the Middle East with oil reserves or any other place

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Speaker 1: on the planet with oil reserves just doesn't matter. Have

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Speaker 1: we thought of that? Well, Actually, here's something that a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks who would like to see us be

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Speaker 1: less of a of a globally focused economy or nation

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Speaker 1: might be very happy about. Because we spend a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of our military budget basically trying to protect the

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Speaker 1: oil pipeline from the Middle So if we do not

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Speaker 1: have to be dependent upon all the oil coming in

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Speaker 1: that we're not going to abandon oil usage for a

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Speaker 1: long time, whether it be airplanes or or your lawnmower. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are going electric there. But the

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Speaker 1: point is will continue to be needing oil and gas.

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Speaker 1: And the reality is, UH, we will become more and

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Speaker 1: more self sufficient and able to provide the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of the oil and other fossil fuels we need right

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Speaker 1: here in the United States. UH. The challenge will be

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Speaker 1: UH to try to find ways to create alternative energy

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Speaker 1: sources that create great paying jobs. And right now, the

518
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Speaker 1: reality is we are seeing the biggest growth in the

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Speaker 1: production of energy in the United States. The stuff we're

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Speaker 1: gonna need to power these electric vehicles coming from wind

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Speaker 1: and solar into some degree natural gas. Uh. And we

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Speaker 1: can create huge jobs people who used to be in

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Speaker 1: the oil industry, people who are mining coal. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: can be producing uh solar cells, they can be producing

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Speaker 1: wind generators. And frankly, there's a huge source of lithium

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Speaker 1: and the other chemicals we need for electric vehicle batteries

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Speaker 1: right here in the United States. Uh. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: more reserves here than people realize. And we can create

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Speaker 1: these jobs right here at home. Paul, do you think

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Speaker 1: and we have we have just about two and a

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Speaker 1: half minutes, buddy, Um, do you think that GM has

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Speaker 1: to go all electric tomorrow? Could the company survive? Does

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Speaker 1: it have the pocketbook and the technology? Does Ford have

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Speaker 1: the pocketbook in the technology? Does Chrysler? If you were

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Speaker 1: to predict any one of the three, who's got a

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Speaker 1: who's got the best chance of doing this? All of them?

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Speaker 1: Some of them? Your thoughts? Oh, well, there's so many

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Speaker 1: changes going on. For example, you remember that uh Fiat

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Speaker 1: Chryst is going to be merging with Francis p s

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Speaker 1: A Pugeou Situan very soon, so that'll change their economic situation.

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Speaker 1: GM seems to be the most aggressive to go to

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Speaker 1: pure battery electric vehicles. Ford is trying to find a

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Speaker 1: mix of vehicles that are hybrid, plug in and battery

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Speaker 1: ball battery electric, and f c A, which was very

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Speaker 1: reluctant to get into the field, is now starting to

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Speaker 1: speed up. Uh. In fact, don't be surprised if you

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Speaker 1: see some of those Dodge performance cars in the next

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Speaker 1: few years start to be electrified. Uh. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be a very very interesting decade coming up between what

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Speaker 1: the traditional manufacturers do and all the startups like well,

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Speaker 1: Tesla of course, which is now the world's most valuable

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Speaker 1: auto company, and Lucid and Lordstown Motors and Rivan and

553
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Speaker 1: Bolinger and all the others that are starting up. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to try to predict what happens. There's too

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Speaker 1: much in the air. But I will tell you that

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Speaker 1: I am more and more convinced that we will see

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Speaker 1: a shift to electrification that will really transform the auto

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Speaker 1: industry over the next five fifteen years. And then at

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Speaker 1: that point those people that are displaced, I'm sure, as

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Speaker 1: you know, as the inventor who was it, there's a

561
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Speaker 1: joke about you know, the guy who had the last

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Speaker 1: buggy whip patent. You know, they went out of business Monday.

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Speaker 1: By Tuesday, we're off doing something else in the internal

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Speaker 1: combustion engine field. You know. The last guy working at

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Speaker 1: the plant will then become something else in the new

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Speaker 1: electrified industry as it were. Yeah, we'll remember the guy

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Speaker 1: who founded the founded GM, Billy durant Uh. He started

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Speaker 1: up his family made buggies, and he created what, for

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Speaker 1: seventy five years was the world's largest car company. So

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Speaker 1: can people switch, whether they be the big investors or

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Speaker 1: the people who are working on the assembly lines and

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Speaker 1: at the local service station or pumping oil or everything else, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they can. It's going to take both a concerted effort

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Speaker 1: on the industry side, and it is going to take

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Speaker 1: effort on the governmental side. It's going to take training,

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Speaker 1: it's going to take schools, and it's going to take

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take people being open minded. Paul as always

578
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: a fountain of information. Where can we get more? Where

579
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: can the listeners go get more? Oh, please go to

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Bureau dot com. You'll find a lot of this.

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Speaker 1: As always, Paul, we're gonna turn around and get you again.

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Speaker 1: It's always good information. You have a good rest of

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Speaker 1: the weekend. You take good care. I'm run a nating

584
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Speaker 1: in the car Doctor and we're back right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. While naming the car Doctor, I just want

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Speaker 1: to say thank you to Paul Eisenstein and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate him taking the time to be here with

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Speaker 1: us today as as he's continuing to follow and talk

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Speaker 1: about the evolution of the automotive industry like us. He's

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Speaker 1: a great source for us and we're glad to bring

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Speaker 1: him here for you to you and you can find

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Speaker 1: more information and read more about Paul at the Detroit

593
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Speaker 1: Bureau dot com. I guess I want to close out

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Speaker 1: this hour. I want to say thank you to everybody.

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Speaker 1: It was a busy hour. Um. You know, one key

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Speaker 1: thing and I think it came up a little it

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Speaker 1: in this hour just talking about diagnostics is it's just

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Speaker 1: very very important to be aware of, you know, step

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Speaker 1: by step, stay with what works, stay with you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's its diagnostics really is you know, show me

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Speaker 1: what's good and I can show you what's bad. And

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Speaker 1: that's just so important each and every time. So I

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Speaker 1: want you to keep that in the back of your

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Speaker 1: head as you're going through and you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: do what you're trying to do when it comes to

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Speaker 1: fixing the car. Don't use the parts shotgun. Don't just

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Speaker 1: change parts for the sake of changing parts, because ultimately

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Speaker 1: that really doesn't get you anywhere. You kid be putting

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Speaker 1: a bad new part into the car and not doing

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Speaker 1: some kind of diagnostic time is only going to come

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Speaker 1: back to you know, hurt you in the long run.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will say this, cars are continuing to evolve.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all know that, and they're just getting

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Speaker 1: you know, they're they're getting more and more complicated. It's

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00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: it's not any easier and it's not going to get easier.

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Speaker 1: If you want to continue to fix your own vehicle,

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Speaker 1: by all means I encourage you to do that can

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Speaker 1: tinue to follow us here on this radio show. But

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Speaker 1: think about a scan tool, a good scan tool, something

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Speaker 1: beyond O B D two, something that will you know,

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Speaker 1: get into your make model and you know we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that a little bit more. And above all else,

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Speaker 1: I want you to remember this that as you will

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Speaker 1: continue to try and fix your car, that you know

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Speaker 1: it's not easy, and you'll come to appreciate good mechanics. And,

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Speaker 1: as the car doctor always says, good mechanics aren't expensive

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Speaker 1: their places see