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Speaker 5: Nevertheless, we persisted, we did, as Elizabeth Wardo, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So true. Well, we have a big show today is

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Speaker 5: you can see we get a lot of blocks on

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Speaker 5: move on to some developments in the TikTok saga, because

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Speaker 5: there's it looks like Steve Manuchen wants TikTok pretty badly.

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Speaker 3: Steve Manuchih Saudi money. Yeah, Steven go wrong.

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Speaker 5: Yes exactly. So if we're getting we're divesting TikTok from China,

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Speaker 5: shall see. We're going to talk about Bernie Sanders and

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Speaker 5: Sean Fain actually calling for a thirty two hour work week.

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Speaker 5: That's going to be really interesting and from a conservative perspective,

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Speaker 3: Cut the show early in honor, we should cut it.

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Speaker 5: Really from a conservative perspective, I think there's some interesting

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Speaker 5: arguments to be had there. Trump arrests. That's on your

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Speaker 5: updates out of Texas, actually breaking news as the Fifth

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Speaker 5: Circuit Court of Appeals put the Supreme Court, the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court decision to allow SB four maybe you've heard about this,

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Speaker 5: which allows Texas basically to arrest people who are in

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Speaker 5: That put it on like blast, basically said you can

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Speaker 5: right afterwards said no, there are oral arguments of this

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Speaker 5: And then the deep state. That's of course on the

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Speaker 3: let's start with Israel. So on Monday afternoon, Benjamin Yahoo

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Speaker 3: And Yahoo's argument that he made to the Kanesse yesterday

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Speaker 3: has it done in northern Gaza, in central Gaza made

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Speaker 3: it completely uninhabitable. So this, this to me feels like

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Speaker 5: how you read this, because I know a lot of

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Speaker 5: people on the left have read this as the Biden

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Speaker 5: administration is leaking to places like NBC News to show

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Speaker 5: You know, the difference between defeating Hamas and not defeating

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Speaker 5: Hamas is certainly not two battalions in Rafa, right, and

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Speaker 5: substantively where Net Yahoo is. That actually seems like in

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Speaker 3: Rhetorically it's different. But if the United States is still

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Speaker 3: Israel has a right to defend itself and Hamask can

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Speaker 3: So Net and Yahoo, I think can feel confident coming

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Speaker 3: Vidant Patel, State Department spokesperson on Monday said Israel cannot

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Speaker 3: you just said cannot, what do you mean kennot. He's like, well,

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Speaker 5: There? To that point, one hundred and thirty hostages. Some

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Speaker 5: and to your point, Hamas has already reconstituted in northern Gaza.

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Speaker 5: Let's put a two up on the screen because this

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Speaker 5: a commercially available normal drone that civilians would use. IDF

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Speaker 5: belong to militant groups. This was the claim from the IDF.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't appear that was the case. There's some evidence

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Speaker 5: But it's pretty unconvincing evidence. I'm curious what you.

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Speaker 3: Thought of this. It's this weird. I think gas lighting

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Speaker 3: does apply to the coverage of this war. So the

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Speaker 3: Washing Post writes here, and good for the Washing Post

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Speaker 3: for conducting this investigation.

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Speaker 4: This is not shade on them, but they.

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Speaker 3: Write, no Israeli soldiers, aircraft, or other military equipment are

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the fog makersted fog makers of war, Alon

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Speaker 6: whatever reason. Here in Gaza, there's refugees from the fighting

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Speaker 6: from an offensive attack that was staged from Gaza. Israel's

436
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Speaker 6: going in to do you know, a long term deterrence mission,

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Speaker 6: and it's just it's unfortunate that nobody's taking the refugees.

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Speaker 7: But also there are real fears on the part of Arabs.

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Speaker 7: And I'm sure you talk to a lot of them

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Speaker 7: who think once Gazin's leave Gaza and ya, who's never

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Speaker 7: going to let them back in?

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Speaker 6: Maybe, but I'm not sure there's much left of Gaza

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Speaker 6: at this point. So you know, if you think about

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Speaker 6: even the construct like you know, Gaza, Gaza was not

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Speaker 6: really a historical precedent, right, it was the result of

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Speaker 6: a war. Right, you had tribes that were in different places.

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Speaker 6: Then Gaza became a thing. Egypt, you know, used to

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Speaker 6: run it. And then you know, over time you had

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Speaker 6: different governments that came in different ways, so you have

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Speaker 6: another war. You know, usually when wars happen, you know,

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Speaker 6: borders are changed historically over time. And so my sense

452
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Speaker 6: is is I would say, how do we deal with

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Speaker 6: the terror threat that is there so that it cannot

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Speaker 6: be a threat to Israel or to Egypt, right. I

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Speaker 6: think that both sides are spending a fortune on military

456
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Speaker 6: I think neither side really wants to have, you know,

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Speaker 6: a terrorist organization enclaved right between them in Gaza's waterfront property.

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Speaker 6: It could be very valuable too, if people would focus

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Speaker 6: on kind of building up livelihoods. You think about all

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Speaker 6: the money that's gone into this tunnel network and that

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Speaker 6: all the munitions, if that would have gone into education

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Speaker 6: or innovation.

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Speaker 7: Biden should recognize the Palestinian authority unilaterally as a state,

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Speaker 7: and NBS should go to Jerusalem like Egyptian President Unwar

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Speaker 7: Sedet did in nineteen seventy seven, and he should say

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Speaker 7: I'll normalize with Israel, I'll recognize West Jerusalem as your capital,

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Speaker 7: and I'll even pay to rebuild Gaza. If you recognize

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Speaker 7: a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital, what

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Speaker 7: do you think?

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Speaker 3: Good idea?

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Speaker 6: No, I don't think that's a good idea. I think

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Speaker 6: that there's certain elements of it that are correct. I

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Speaker 6: think proactively recognizing a Palestinian state would essentially be rewarding

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Speaker 6: an act.

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Speaker 5: Of terror waterfront property. He said, if the money from

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Speaker 5: the tunnels would have been redirected. I think he said

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Speaker 5: towards education and innovation, but it was in the context

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Speaker 5: actually talking about how you could redevelop Gaza in to quote,

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Speaker 5: very valuable waterfront property. Ryan, what's your reaction to the well.

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Speaker 3: There was also that line he had where he said,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, there's refugees, Okay, for whatever reason. Interesting

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Speaker 3: then he also said that Gaza is a construct like

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Speaker 3: so just google to make sure. Wikipedia says the known

484
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Speaker 3: history of Gaza that spans four thousand years in POMPEII

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Speaker 3: took it at one point, Alexander the Great took it

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Speaker 3: at one point, Bedwins lived there for many years. In fact,

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Speaker 3: the IDF has tragically destroyed archaeological sites that are some

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Speaker 3: of the most kind of important to archaeology in the world,

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Speaker 3: and have destroyed buildings that are from the sixth and

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Speaker 3: seventh century, just irreplaceable and tragic destruction. So the idea

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Speaker 3: that Kushner says Gaza is a construct of the twentieth

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Speaker 3: century kind of expulsion of people from their land and

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Speaker 3: what was Palestine is absurd. It is true that many

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Speaker 3: of the current residents of Guys are refugees from elsewhere

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Speaker 3: in what is now Israel. But the idea that the

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Speaker 3: city itself is like a construct literally ignores four thousand

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Speaker 3: years of history. But what could be more tone deaf

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Speaker 3: than Jared Kushner, a real estate developer talking about the

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Speaker 3: water the value of the waterfront propertyoti.

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Speaker 5: Who negotiating the abraham of course, right, and was basically

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Speaker 5: a Trump's point man on negotiating with Israel period in

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Speaker 5: the Middle East period.

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Speaker 3: Right. If anybody was responsible for the failure of our

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Speaker 3: policy and the entire policy in the region, it's Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 3: whose bright idea which and this is not to blame

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Speaker 3: just Kushner.

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Speaker 4: He was the moron that put it forward, but he had.

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Speaker 3: An entire Republican administration apparatus behind him that pushed forward.

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Speaker 3: And then he had an entire democratic administration that adopted

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Speaker 3: the framing of it, which was to say, we are

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Speaker 3: going to normalize relations with all of the Arab countries

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Speaker 3: in the region, leading with Saudi Arabia and the and

513
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Speaker 3: the UAE, and we're going to do it by pretending

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Speaker 3: the Palestinian question does not exist anymore, just taking it

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Speaker 3: off the table. I mean, it's an it's kind of

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Speaker 3: an interesting, like third grade kind of approach to it.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's a really intractable problem. How do you

518
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Speaker 3: solve this? And he's like, what if we don't hear

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Speaker 3: me out? And and and the region. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I don't blame him, Like that's an idiotic thing to say.

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Speaker 3: The real idiots are the ones who are like, this

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Speaker 3: kid's got an idea, let's just let's just pretend it does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just pretend the problem isn't there, and we'll and

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Speaker 3: then we'll sign all of these accords. And Hamas has

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Speaker 3: said that it launched its attack because you know, Saudi

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Speaker 3: Arabia was getting so close to normalizing with Israel and

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Speaker 3: pretending that the Palestinians didn't exist. Now you can obvious

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Speaker 3: Amas has agency did what did you can condemn that?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: The US has agency, Saudi Arabia's agency, Israel has agency.

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Speaker 3: It was it was predicted and predictable. You know what

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Speaker 3: the consequences would be when you say that, oh, there's

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Speaker 3: this intractable problem and let's just ignore it and I'll

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Speaker 3: go away.

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Speaker 5: So the other thing Kushner said, quote, I'm sitting in

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Speaker 5: Miami Peach right now, and I'm looking at the situation

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Speaker 5: and thinking what would I do if I was there?

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Speaker 5: So another point just to but he's sitting in Miami

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Speaker 5: be it's more very valuable water for property. But to

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Speaker 5: the point of the interview, by the way, that was

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Speaker 5: it's stamped with the Guardian, because I think the Guardian

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Speaker 5: was the they must have been the first report on

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Speaker 5: this was actually not an interview with the Guardian. It

544
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Speaker 5: was in an interview with the Harvard Middle East Initiative

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Speaker 5: faculty chair.

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't it wasn't reported by the Guardian, reported by.

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Speaker 5: The Guardian, right, and they stamped their logo on the video, which.

548
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Speaker 3: But yes, we put our logo on top of there.

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Speaker 5: Yes we may already have done that. But Ryan, you

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Speaker 5: were at another State Department broofing asking questions.

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Speaker 3: I think this is about unra mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this goes too to the question of what will

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Speaker 3: what will Gaza become, you know, when and if there

555
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Speaker 3: was a day day after this war, and it goes

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Speaker 3: to the question of unrefunding and actually, no want to

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Speaker 3: spoil it. Will just roll this back and forth with

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Speaker 3: me in State Department spokesperson beating Aptel when you originally

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Speaker 3: talked about the allegations against the twelve staff. You had

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Speaker 3: said that UNRA itself was the one that forwarded those

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Speaker 3: allegations along. You said that you found them credible. But

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Speaker 3: since then, UNRA itself has said that it's staff were

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Speaker 3: tortured by Israel in order to get some of those

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Speaker 3: confessions extracted. Does that change your view of the evidence

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Speaker 3: that was presented by Israel? And if UNRA was credible

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Speaker 3: enough for you to believe the allegations the first time,

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Speaker 3: is UNRA credible enough when they make an allegation of

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Speaker 3: torture against its staff.

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Speaker 8: I've not seen that reporting, Ryan, but I will just

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Speaker 8: note that we continue to find the allegations that were

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Speaker 8: laid out a number of months months ago to be credible.

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Speaker 8: And we also welcome the swiftness at which UNRA informed

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Speaker 8: not just the United States but others about this, but

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Speaker 8: also the swiftness in which the United Nations launched its

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Speaker 8: own investigation mechanism and its own independent review, and we

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Speaker 8: look forward to seeing those results, and to echo Secretary Blincoln,

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Speaker 8: we want these allegations thoroughly investigated so that there is

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Speaker 8: clear accountability and measures put in place so this doesn't

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Speaker 8: happen again. We want all this to happen because we

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Speaker 8: believe very strongly that unreplay is a critical role in

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Speaker 8: producing life saving assistance in the region, not just in Gaza,

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Speaker 8: but the broader Middle East as well. They are vital

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Speaker 8: players when it comes to food, medicine, shelter and other

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Speaker 8: humanitarian support.

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Speaker 3: Your position, which is in opposition, as they said to

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Speaker 3: so many allies around the world, has encouraged Congress to

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Speaker 3: move forward with a band. There's now an agreement between

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Speaker 3: some Democrats and some Republicans to continue the ban.

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Speaker 4: I think what throughout the rest of the year is.

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Speaker 3: That, is that something that the State Department would support

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Speaker 3: tying the State Department's hands even if the report comes back.

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Speaker 8: You've heard me talk about this before. Broadly, when it

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Speaker 8: comes to the supplemental bill that is being negotiated in Congress,

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Speaker 8: these are active and ongoing things that are happening. So

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to go down a rabbit hole too much,

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Speaker 8: but broadly, we support the contours of this supplemental bill.

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Speaker 3: So he says, we believe that unreplace is an important

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Speaker 3: role in relief efforts, but also we're okay with Congress

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Speaker 3: barring us from restarting funding for it because presidents make

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Speaker 3: make that makes sense for me.

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Speaker 5: Presidential administrations are often so cool with Congress stepping in

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Speaker 5: and doing things that they care about. Yes, that's the

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Speaker 5: if presidents care about war powers, it's basically so that,

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Speaker 5: you know, they they want Congress to have more power

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Speaker 5: instead of them, which is obviously completely backwards. They want

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Speaker 5: to prosecute these words entirely on their own, and now

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Speaker 5: they're using Congress as a crutch, which is funny because

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Speaker 5: they basically are constantly blaming Congress of being overly meddlesome

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Speaker 5: in the business of prosecuting.

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Speaker 3: Right, But when it comes to banning the US from

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Speaker 3: funding UNRA, which they say is a valuable part of

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Speaker 3: the relief effort, I'm not going to go down that

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Speaker 3: rabbit hole. They're going to do what they're going to do,

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Speaker 3: rabbit hole.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also, how do you not how are you not

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Speaker 3: familiar with this massive reporting that UNRA has said that

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Speaker 3: its staff was tortured into making confessions about you know,

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Speaker 3: UNRA complicity with AMAS. That's rather important element if you

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Speaker 3: actually are serious about getting to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm sure that they enjoy answering your questions

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Speaker 5: in the briefing, like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know how much longer I can keep going.

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Speaker 3: It's it's increasing it seems it's increasingly pointless, exhausting. I

625
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Speaker 3: got to do some self care after each one of those.

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Speaker 5: The rabbit hole quote was pretty interesting in that one.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about TikTok. So we have a video here

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Speaker 5: of Steve mnusin. Steve Manus is involved right now and

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Speaker 5: putting together some investors who would buy TikTok in the

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Speaker 5: case that the bill that passed through the House and

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Speaker 5: is now in the hands of the Senate is passed

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Speaker 5: signed by President Biden, and TikTok is ByteDance, is forced

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Speaker 5: to divest TikTok It's US portfolio. Essentially, there are different

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Speaker 5: ways that they could go about divesting that operation, maybe

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Speaker 5: just split off the entire US, but the forced divestment,

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Speaker 5: say it happens, Steve Manuchin, he's going to be there,

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Speaker 5: arms open wide, ready with investors to buy TikTok. And

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Speaker 5: there's some interesting questions about where Steve Mnuchin may get

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Speaker 5: that money. Let's start by rolling this clip of Steve

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Speaker 5: mnuchen talking about the potential deal.

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Speaker 9: I think the legislation should pass and I think should

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Speaker 9: be solved. I understand the technology, it's a great business,

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Speaker 9: and I'm going to put together a group to buy TikTok.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to buy TikTok?

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Speaker 9: I am because this should be owned by US, US businesses.

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Speaker 9: There's no way that the Chinese would ever let a

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Speaker 9: US company on something like this in China. You say,

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Speaker 9: have you already put a group together? No, I'm working

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Speaker 9: at an explorer group. I've spoken to a bunch of people.

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Speaker 4: But who would be part of your group?

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Speaker 9: I can't tell that to you now, but it would

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Speaker 9: be it would be a combination of investors. So there

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Speaker 9: would be no one investor that controlled this. And the

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Speaker 9: issue is all about the technology. This needs to be

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Speaker 9: controlled by US.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a very practical question.

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Speaker 5: So that was Becky Quick and Andrew Ross working and

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Speaker 5: talking to Steveminution on CNBC. He said he would not

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Speaker 5: get into who's involved, but it would not be any

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Speaker 5: one investor. Let's put this next hairsheet B two up

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Speaker 5: on the screen, semaphore heading good piece and run widen

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Speaker 5: kind of blowing the whistle here on who steamnutin maybe

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Speaker 5: getting his funding from reading from the article they say.

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Speaker 5: Senator Ron Wyden, the chair of the powerful Senate Finance

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Speaker 5: can be sharply criticized former Treasury Secretary of Stephen Mnuchen

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Speaker 5: and has ties some money from the Middle East in

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Speaker 5: his effort to buy TikTok from its Chinese owner. Manuchin

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Speaker 5: told CNBC last week that he's assembling a group of

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Speaker 5: investors by the platform after the House overwhelmingly forced a

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Speaker 5: bill pass the bill forcing it to either be sold

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Speaker 5: within six months or banned from app stores. The White

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Speaker 5: House has urged the Senate, where the bill has powerful

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Speaker 5: backers and opponents in both parties, to move quickly. Munuchen

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Speaker 5: gave few details on who might be part of his

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Speaker 5: bidding group, except to say that he was working in

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Speaker 5: combination of investors. But much of the two point five

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Speaker 5: billion dollars investment funds he raised after leaving office came

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Speaker 5: from governments in Saudi Arabia and other golf states, where

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Speaker 5: Mnusian was a frequent visitor during his time in government.

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Speaker 5: Saudi investments not unfamiliar to former members of the Trump

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Speaker 5: administration whatsoever. So actually this point that Ron Wyden is

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Speaker 5: making and Semaphore is making. Is a really important one

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Speaker 5: because it's it seems almost impossible that all of that

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Speaker 5: money would be coming entirely from domestic sources, given the

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Speaker 5: Steve Manus and honestly just the way finance works in

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Speaker 5: this country right now, one point I did want to make.

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Speaker 5: We can put the three up in the screen just

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Speaker 5: really quickly. There's a very important argument about how this

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Speaker 5: bill is crony capitalism and that you have a Steve

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Speaker 5: manusan sweeping in going to make billions off the deal

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Speaker 5: with his investors. Will I'll be sitting back and laughing,

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Speaker 5: and it's because you know, they lobby Congress for this

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Speaker 5: bill to pass, and in the meantime, it gives the

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Speaker 5: deep state access to TikTok. So I agree that it's

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Speaker 5: crony capitalism. I do just want to point out, though

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Speaker 5: this is up on the screen, quoting from a Wall

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Speaker 5: Street Journal article, actually quoting from a TikTok spokesperson in

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Speaker 5: a Wall Street Journal article. Over the past year, they

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Speaker 5: say we took the unprecedented step of granting Oracle full

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Speaker 5: access to our source code and our algorithm. That's not news.

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Speaker 5: It's been known that this one and a half billion

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Speaker 5: dollar Project taxas initiative TikTok embarked u pun after being

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Speaker 5: pushed by the Trump administration. Actually at the time this

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Speaker 5: was basically a big PR push that ultimately went beyond

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Speaker 5: PR and actually, as they got more and more pressure,

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Speaker 5: ended up with them giving Oracle Cloud access storing their

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Speaker 5: US data in the Oracle cloud. Oracle is a defense

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Speaker 5: contractor So one point just in this big conversation about

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Speaker 5: how the US deep state's going to get access to

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Speaker 5: TikTok data. They want it. That's why suddenly they're sweeping

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Speaker 5: through this bill. Well, I mean they're sweeping through this

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Speaker 5: bill because they do want it, but they do likely

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Speaker 5: already have access via Oracle to.

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Speaker 3: Data that they want, right, it's not just the data

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Speaker 3: they want, they want to control at the root. And

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Speaker 3: so you talked about the golf states that have contributed

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Speaker 3: to Mnuchin's fund. There's a golf adjacent state that has

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Speaker 3: been in talks with Manuchin's fund at minimum that's also

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Speaker 3: relevant here, and that's literally Israel.

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Speaker 4: So we talked earlier about some good reporting.

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Speaker 3: The paroctive Vita did He and Jonathan Swan in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one had a scoop for Axios, the headline Israeli

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Speaker 3: spy chief and talks to join Mnuchin's investment fund. So

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Speaker 3: that the head of Massad, before he retired from his

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Speaker 3: Massad position, was in talks with Mnuchin to become an

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Speaker 3: investor in in Mnuchin's fund. We don't you know where

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Speaker 3: was that, Where was that money coming from? Did that

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Speaker 3: money enter into Manuchin's fund. So the idea that for

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Speaker 3: national security reasons, we're going to seize TikTok and hand

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Speaker 3: it over to a fund that has cutter Saudi and

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Speaker 3: Muradi money and maybe Israeli money it was really government money,

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Speaker 3: you know, does not make a whole lot of sense

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Speaker 3: just on its own terms from a national security perspective.

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Speaker 3: Despite Mnuchin's claims that, well, no single investor is going

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Speaker 3: to have you know.

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Speaker 4: Control here.

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Speaker 3: If Saudi Arabia has given him a billion dollars and

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Speaker 3: he's and is the biggest leveraged and is the biggest

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Speaker 3: fund in Manution's fund, they have a lot of power there,

741
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Speaker 3: regardless of what kind of contract you write up about

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Speaker 3: who has what say when it comes to TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an interesting point. And you know, in general,

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Speaker 5: my takeaway on this is we are such an oligarchy

745
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Speaker 5: because it gets back to the binary choice of Trump

746
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Speaker 5: versus Biden. There's really no good choice in this situation.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I actually think the situation with Chinese control

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Speaker 5: over TikTok has been concerning for a really long time.

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Speaker 5: I think TikTok absolutely should be banned. I think though

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Speaker 5: the bill that passed the House of Representatives was that

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Speaker 5: that section B in the bill that you know doesn't

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Speaker 5: just narrow this to TikTok is genuinely very problematic. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's a way to do this bill that literally writes

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Speaker 5: out this just applies to tik talk and bite dance.

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Speaker 5: The decision to broaden it beyond just TikTok and byte

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Speaker 5: dance obviously obviously stems from ulterior motives that don't I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's in the text that is as blatantly of an

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Speaker 5: alter blatantly as an ulterial motive as you could possibly

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Speaker 5: put into the bills by saying, well, maybe this will

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Speaker 5: apply in different cases as well. And you know, instead

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Speaker 5: of just actually doing this as the problem crops up,

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Speaker 5: we can put.

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Speaker 3: This next a just one point on that this is

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Speaker 3: where the Supreme Court's bizarre libertarian interpretation of corporation as

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Speaker 3: people comes into play because if corporations are people, then

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Speaker 3: a bill that targets an individual corporation is a bill

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Speaker 3: of attainder, which is you control left the constitution for

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Speaker 3: that one ban in the constitution, you can't basically what

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Speaker 3: you know, what what England used to do, which we

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Speaker 3: fought against, was, you know, they'd try somebody for treason

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Speaker 3: and the jury would be like, eh, we don't, we

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Speaker 3: don't think you made your case here, and then Parliament

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Speaker 3: would be like, this person must be executed and they

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Speaker 3: chop his head off. And and so that was a

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Speaker 3: bill of at tainder, which is like going after an individual.

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Speaker 3: And so right there, and a constitution says Congress can't

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Speaker 3: do that to individuals. Congress never meant that a company

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Speaker 3: was an individual. But Supreme Court is, you know, rethought

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Speaker 3: know humanity to include corporations in its definition of people,

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Speaker 3: which would then require them to say, you can't do

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Speaker 3: this anyway, go.

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Speaker 5: Ahead, yeah, and so put the if we put the

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Speaker 5: next element up on the screen here, you can see

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Speaker 5: so that section that we were just talking about, where

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Speaker 5: it involves you know, companies that have at least twenty

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Speaker 5: percent a foreign A hostile foreign country has at least

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Speaker 5: twenty percent. Enemy country is at least twenty percent stake

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Speaker 5: in an app. Actually a lot of apps have international headquarters.

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Speaker 5: As Axios points out here, these numbers actually really surprised me. Ryan.

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Speaker 5: So this is from Access In twenty twenty four. Not

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Speaker 5: only are a greater number of apps from China and

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Speaker 5: but more apps from that region have made it to

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Speaker 5: the top ten most downloaded apps in the US so

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Speaker 5: far compared this year, compared to just one in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty one. So Timu really popular, starting to get really popular.

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Speaker 5: Cap Cut that's another app by byte Edance. Sheen. Obviously

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Speaker 5: they're an e commerce app there, I mean a lot

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Speaker 5: of people think of them as a website. By Timu

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Speaker 5: and Sheen have apps, and so we're increasingly getting into

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Speaker 5: a situation where, yeah, I mean, this is a real problem.

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Speaker 5: Josh Holly has been making a really good point about how,

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Speaker 5: you know, American creators, American consumers shouldn't have to be

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Speaker 5: responsive to China at this point that TikTok is an

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Speaker 5: American industry. If, as byte Dance insists, TikTok is truly

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Speaker 5: just an American company. It's based in America. It's for Americans,

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Speaker 5: you know. Ultimately, though, what we know from Great Reporting

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Speaker 5: and Forbes, the w Was Street Journal, and other places

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Speaker 5: is that even with Project Texas, the people who are

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Speaker 5: involved in Project Texas, this big effort to make TikTok

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Speaker 5: more domestic here in the States, they're still getting plenty

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Speaker 5: of requests for the data from Paiging. So I think

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Speaker 5: there's a real point to be made. I think also

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Speaker 5: the latent threat of TikTok, because you know, we are

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Speaker 5: aware that the Hawks are beating the war drums with China.

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Speaker 5: So whether or not you agree with them, the threat

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Speaker 5: of a hot war, a hot conflict over Taiwan is real.

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Speaker 5: Whether or not we like that, that is real. And

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Speaker 5: so the latent threat of a potential hostile enemy in

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Speaker 5: a hot war controlling a huge source of news, the

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Speaker 5: primary source of news in fact, for young people in

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Speaker 5: this country, that actually can put the lives of American

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Speaker 5: men and women on the line. I think the Layton

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Speaker 5: Tech the latent threat of TikTok if a hot war erupts,

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Speaker 5: is worse than you know, in this case meta Instagram,

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Speaker 5: And I think those threats of censorship and propaganda are

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Speaker 5: huge with those other giants. But the hot war question

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Speaker 5: is a really really big one. But that just brings

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Speaker 5: us back to this oligarchy, like your options suck. Either way,

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Speaker 5: it's cronyism. If TikTok wins, it's cronyism if TikTok loses.

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Speaker 3: And my solution to the hot work question would be,

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Speaker 3: all right, Oracle already controls their data and their UH

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Speaker 3: and their and their kind of algorithm, or has has

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Speaker 3: like direct access to it, and therefore, like if there

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Speaker 3: is a national security crisis of some kind of war,

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Speaker 3: then your defense contractor already has it, so don't you

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Speaker 3: don't need to turn it over to Steve Mnuchin, Muhammed

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Speaker 3: bin Salmon and Mosad.

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Speaker 4: In meantime, it's.

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Speaker 5: Such a perfect I mean, if there are Saudi investors

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Speaker 5: ultimately involved, even indirectly, and then.

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Speaker 3: You have to be they have a big piece of Twitter,

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Speaker 3: like they they love all this stuff.

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Speaker 5: You're reporting on Twitter. And Saudi's has been also wildly

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Speaker 5: undercovered by the rest of the media.

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Speaker 3: Right where they bribed engineers to get them to out

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Speaker 3: the names of Dissonance, who they then killed and and

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Speaker 3: Ron Wyden in this report. He's like, maybe a company

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Speaker 3: and maybe a country that puts spyware on the wife

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Speaker 3: of a Washington journalist Washington Post journalist's phone, then lured

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Speaker 3: him into a consulate and chopped him into pieces. It's

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Speaker 3: not the company that we want to force a sale

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Speaker 3: of it. Social media app too.

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Speaker 5: Soccer's friend Hassan Minhaj was censored on Netflix and Saudi

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Speaker 5: Arabia for Yes, like if.

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Speaker 3: We're if we're going to censorship?

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Speaker 5: Good Lord freaked out. Yes, it's the same thing with Yes.

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Speaker 5: The neo conservative position on Saudi Arabia has put them

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Speaker 5: in so many binds over the years that they just

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Speaker 5: laugh and smile their way through on CNBC hits. And

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Speaker 5: here we are.

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Speaker 4: Should we talk Bernie.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk Bernie because this is such an interesting topic.

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Speaker 5: Ryan Bernie Sanders and seean fain. Bernie Sanders in particular

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Speaker 5: has actually introduced legislation. But Bernie Sanders and Shron Faine

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Speaker 5: wrote a joint op ed calling for the thirty two

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Speaker 5: hour work week, and Bernie's bill is focused on the

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Speaker 5: thirty two hour work week. Tell us what he's proposing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ernie staff are saying, I saw some of

869
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Speaker 3: them last last night that they have not gotten a

870
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Speaker 3: reaction this positive to legislation that they've put out in years,

871
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Speaker 3: that the kind of the kind of outpouring of support

872
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Speaker 3: for it has been extraordinarily heartening. But essentially, all this

873
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Speaker 3: bill does is take current law as it applies to overtime,

874
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Speaker 3: which currently sits at you know, forty hours, and ratchets

875
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Speaker 3: that down to thirty two hours and says if you

876
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Speaker 3: work over thirty two hours, then you start getting paid.

877
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Speaker 3: Overtime doesn't mean you can't work forty hours, It just means.

878
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Speaker 3: What it does is it incentivizes you know, companies and

879
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 3: people to try to increase productivity and basically, you know,

880
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Speaker 3: work less and move and move toward a place where

881
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Speaker 3: we have kind of a more just and decent society.

882
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Speaker 3: One of the counter arguments, of course, as well, now

883
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Speaker 3: you're going to force people into working more jobs, and

884
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Speaker 3: companies are going to you know, try to automate away

885
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Speaker 3: hours and try to shrink down the number of hours

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Speaker 3: that people have.

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Speaker 4: The response to that is, what are you an idiot?

888
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Speaker 3: Think?

889
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Speaker 4: You think that that's not.

890
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Speaker 3: What corporations are doing. Like, the number one goal of

891
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Speaker 3: corporations today is adopting AI and automation to try to

892
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Speaker 3: minimize labor costs, like they're already doing that. So what

893
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Speaker 3: this is a response to that crisis. And what it

894
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Speaker 3: says is that, Okay, you're trying to reduce people's hours anyway,

895
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Speaker 3: what we're requiring is that you pay people a little

896
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Speaker 3: bit more on the way there.

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Speaker 5: And so I personally don't support like a federal mandate,

898
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Speaker 5: But one of my predictions, like for the next thirty years,

899
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Speaker 5: maybe even like the next ten years, actually probably closer

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Speaker 5: to the next ten years, is that a thirty two

901
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Speaker 5: hour workweek will become normalized in corporate culture. Now that's

902
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Speaker 5: very optimistic, but there's a reason I say that. In

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Speaker 5: Bernie Sanders op ed with Sean Fann in The Washington

904
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Speaker 5: Post touched on it in a really really interesting way.

905
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Speaker 5: They talk about how the Fair Labor Standards Act was

906
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Speaker 5: signed into law in nineteen forty. Then they write, unbelievably,

907
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Speaker 5: eighty four years later, despite massive growth in technology and

908
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Speaker 5: worker productivity, nothing has changed. Let that sink in for

909
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Speaker 5: a moment. In a nineteen seventy four office, there were

910
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Speaker 5: no computers, email, cell phones, conference calling, or zoom in

911
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Speaker 5: factories and warehouses. There were no robots or sophisticated machinery,

912
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Speaker 5: no cloud computing. In grocery stores and shops of all kinds,

913
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Speaker 5: there were no checkout counters using barcodes. Think about all

914
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Speaker 5: the incredible advancements in technology, computers, robotics, artificial intelligence, and

915
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Speaker 5: the huge increase in worker productivity that has been achieved

916
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Speaker 5: would have been the results of these changes for working people.

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Speaker 5: Almost all the economic games have gone straight to the top,

918
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Speaker 5: while wages for workers are stagnant or worse. And it's

919
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Speaker 5: a really really important point about technology. You think about

920
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Speaker 5: when you wake up in the morning. If you are

921
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Speaker 5: a white collar, if you're blue collar, you have to

922
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Speaker 5: check your phone for professional reasons. Maybe your shift got changed,

923
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Speaker 5: maybe you got an email from your boss changing a

924
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Speaker 5: meeting time and you had to drop your kid off

925
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Speaker 5: at three pm. Thought you could get out, but now

926
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Speaker 5: you can't. You're constantly changing to your phone, even if

927
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Speaker 5: it's eight am, even if it's seven am and you're

928
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Speaker 5: working out. That's not leisure time because you are always working.

929
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Speaker 5: You're sending work emails, sending work texts. You were constantly

930
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Speaker 5: you know, thinking about or in communication and thinking about

931
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Speaker 5: via smartphones and email apps on your smartphones about work

932
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Speaker 5: in general, and again it could just be it could

933
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Speaker 5: be shifts getting changed around that make it hard for

934
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Speaker 5: you just to put your phone down and actually be

935
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Speaker 5: without your phone, because your phone is a work device.

936
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Speaker 5: And so we just have we haven't shifted the way

937
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Speaker 5: we think about work. We haven't shifted the way we

938
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Speaker 5: think about even just smartphones period. And this is a

939
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Speaker 5: shot producer Mac who is not giving me my leisure

940
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Speaker 5: time right now because he's texting us as we're talking

941
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Speaker 5: about smartphones. But in all seriousness, I really think conservatives

942
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Speaker 5: are way behind the curb and talking about work, and

943
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Speaker 5: that Bernie Sanders and Sean Fainn are actually onto something

944
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Speaker 5: that's way less radical than it sounds to a lot

945
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Speaker 5: of people on the right who are like, what are

946
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Speaker 5: you talking about? Thirty two hour work week? This is America,

947
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Speaker 5: So this is a very different work culture than it

948
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Speaker 5: was just fifteen years ago.

949
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Speaker 3: I also think of this show as my leisure time.

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Speaker 3: There's a there's a famous example that Adam Smith, basically

951
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Speaker 3: the father of modern economics, has where he talks about

952
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Speaker 3: a pin factory like a needle factory. He's like, basically says, like,

953
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Speaker 3: imagine that you've got. You know, it takes one hundred

954
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Speaker 3: people a week to make a hundred pins at this factory,

955
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Speaker 3: and now all of a sudden and it's profitable, it's

956
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Speaker 3: doing well. Now, all of a sudden, an innovation comes along.

957
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Speaker 3: Somebody figures out a way that it takes only half

958
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Speaker 3: a week to make that many pins. He's like, he says,

959
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 3: in a rational and a just society, those hundred people

960
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Speaker 3: would work twenty hours a week, and the rest of

961
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Speaker 3: that time would be spent with their family, with their

962
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Speaker 3: church group, with their community, playing softball, just enjoying life.

963
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Speaker 4: We'd have just as many pins.

964
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Speaker 3: The capitalists would make just as much profit, and the

965
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Speaker 3: world would just be a better place instead, because of

966
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Speaker 3: the power embedded in the political economy, everybody works the

967
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Speaker 3: same amount, gets paid the same amount, but all of

968
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Speaker 3: that surplus value that was created by that innovation gets

969
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: just seized by the person that owns the factory. And

970
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Speaker 3: for Smith, who is much more lefty than people give

971
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Speaker 3: them credit for, because they haven't actually read the wealth

972
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Speaker 3: of the nations, he was like, that's wrong, Like, the

973
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: workers should in society, should take the advantage of that

974
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 3: of that innovation, not the capitalist class that is just

975
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: going to then you know, produce inequality. Uh, you know,

976
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: fretter right away, and and you know, create an create

977
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: an unstable society along the way.

978
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think you know, there's there's a really

979
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 5: interesting point to that Bernie Sanders makes. We have a

980
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Speaker 5: clip of Bernie Sanders. Let me actually table the point

981
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 5: and we'll get to the site here because Bernie's explodesive

982
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 5: exchange for the reporter. It is really I think, so

983
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 5: it's absolutely been to Bernie though. Let's roll this clip.

984
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: Senator Sanders, can I talk to you about the thirty

985
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: two hour work week? It seems like Fox business, It

986
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: seems like democrats want businesses to be taxed more pay

987
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: their work.

988
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 3: I didn't get to ask a question. Okay, thank you, senator.

989
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: You want to hold it.

990
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 10: Okay, we held a hearing on a thirty two hour

991
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Speaker 10: work week because what we have seen is that over

992
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 10: the last fifty years, despite a huge increase in work

993
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 10: of productivity, almost all of the New Wealth has gone

994
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 10: to the top one percent, well sixty percent of the

995
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 10: people living paycheck to paycheck. Many of our people are exhausted.

996
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Speaker 10: We work the longest hours of any people in the

997
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Speaker 10: industrialized world. I think it's time for a shortened work.

998
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I ask you a question about that. It seems like

999
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: democrats want businesses to be tax more, pay their more

1000
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: lower prices, and now pay people not to work.

1001
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 4: You know what, I would like to see how.

1002
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: Our business is going to survive that?

1003
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Speaker 3: That's the question.

1004
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: How can businesses survive all of those proposals?

1005
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 10: And mister Bezos pays an effective tax rate lower than

1006
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 10: the average work I think we have a real problem

1007
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 10: in our tax system. I think that billionaires have got

1008
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 10: to stop pay their fair share of taxes.

1009
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Speaker 5: He's all up in her grow Ryan. So if you

1010
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Speaker 5: were just listening to that clip, Bernie Sanders is just

1011
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: playing wildly.

1012
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 4: It's going to turn violent.

1013
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 5: Yes, he's about to fight her.

1014
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: Reporter fast war in the hallway.

1015
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 5: In the hallway, yes, but really that's classic Burnie it is.

1016
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like he doesn't want to hear the

1017
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: nonsense from the Fox Business crowd. But yeah, he turned

1018
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: straight to the camera.

1019
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: That was my other favorite part. When you said Fox Business,

1020
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 5: he rolled his eyes super exasperated and just addressed the

1021
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 5: camera straight down the lens.

1022
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Speaker 3: And people like overtime, like overtime is Overtime is the

1023
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 3: thing that gives you a little.

1024
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Speaker 4: Bit of breathing room.

1025
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 3: When the company is forced to give you overtime, they

1026
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Speaker 3: don't want to give you overtime, you know. They try

1027
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 3: to figure out ways to either cheat you out of

1028
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: it or to have enough people on staff that they

1029
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 3: don't need to get there. So what this does is

1030
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Speaker 3: it will would make it easier for workers to get

1031
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: the overtime that they deserve. And if a company can't

1032
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: figure out a way to get everything it's done, everything

1033
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Speaker 3: done that it needs done with its workforce working thirty

1034
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Speaker 3: two hours a week, then all right, you got to

1035
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 3: pay him overtime.

1036
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Speaker 5: Well, you just said something interesting, which is what they deserve.

1037
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Speaker 5: And that's where I think actually just will be surprised

1038
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 5: by how quickly and I could totally be proven wrong

1039
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Speaker 5: on this, it's happened before, But how quickly different corporations

1040
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 5: adapt after people like Bernie Sanders kind of moved the

1041
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 5: Overton window on this question. They quote in the Washington Posts.

1042
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Speaker 5: They say studies have shown that workers are either equally

1043
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 5: or more productive during a four hour, four day work week.

1044
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Speaker 5: One study found that worker productivity rose with fifty five percent,

1045
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 5: saying their ability at work increased after companies adopted this

1046
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 5: new schedule. That's I think that's the important point.

1047
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Speaker 3: There's been a ton of pilot programs of this, and

1048
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: everywhere it's been implemented, the company's been happy and the

1049
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 3: workers have been happy. Yeah, so give it a shot now.

1050
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Speaker 3: We also wanted to play this fun CNBC clip since

1051
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Speaker 3: we've we've already got Fox Business in there. We can't

1052
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Speaker 3: neglect their ally in the class war. A great clip

1053
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Speaker 3: recently from CNBC talking about the presidential election.

1054
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Speaker 4: Let's roll this one.

1055
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Speaker 11: We often say, you know, when you look at between

1056
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 11: the policies that Biden or Trump would take in that

1057
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 11: it's not like we have a Bernie Sanders socialist running.

1058
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Speaker 11: I mean, you don't have some of the worst case

1059
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 11: scenarios where they're really anti capitalists. Even Biden, who is

1060
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 11: favorable higher taxes, is still pro business. Generally you're not

1061
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 11: trying to so you should have any business opportunities. So

1062
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Speaker 11: you know, there's definitely pros and cons of each of them.

1063
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Speaker 11: You had, you know, Trump, who could actually bring a

1064
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 11: much more tariff oriented mindset to certainly to China. But

1065
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Speaker 11: you worry about like what do you bring tariff against

1066
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 11: against everything they're going to be We're talking about the FED.

1067
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Speaker 11: You know, Trump has made a very cleary he's anti palace,

1068
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 11: with questions who would he put in Some of those

1069
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Speaker 11: people have been actually quite hawkish that he's rumored to

1070
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 11: talk about. So we'll see how that impacts things, But

1071
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 11: in general, we'd say it's not going to be a

1072
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Speaker 11: major difference one or the other despite all the noise.

1073
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Speaker 3: Very happy for the squawk Box. They are getting the

1074
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Speaker 3: presidential election that they wanted.

1075
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Speaker 5: I like that we had classic Bernie and then classic

1076
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Speaker 5: squawk Box, which is that they can't quite decide if

1077
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Speaker 5: Biden and as a socialist or a capitalist.

1078
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Speaker 3: It's the same thing with the one whenever Bernie does

1079
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Speaker 3: something like a thirty two hour work week, they're reminded that, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it could be worse.

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Speaker 5: You always see that play. Yeah, well, let's move on

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Speaker 5: to the Trump arrests that we've been teasing at the

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Speaker 5: bottom of the screen. Yesterday was unfortunate for several people

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Speaker 5: sort of in the broader Trump orbit, one of whom

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Speaker 5: is Peter Navarro. So maybe a familiar face to some

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Speaker 5: folks who can put this first element up on the screen.

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Speaker 5: This is CNN headline x Trump aid Peter Navarro begins

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Speaker 5: serving prison sentence after historic contempt prosecution. He is the

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Speaker 5: first former White House official actually to be imprisoned for

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Speaker 5: a contempt of Congress conviction. A lot of people may

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Speaker 5: think immediately of Steve Bannon in that case, because he

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Speaker 5: was actually prosecuted and convicted on a pretty similar charge,

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Speaker 5: also from non compliance in a January sixth Committee subpoena.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't in the White House during the period that

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Speaker 5: the House Committee was a subpoenaing in regards to but

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Speaker 5: that judge has let Bannon delay serving the four month

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Speaker 5: prison sentence that he was actually given while his appeals

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Speaker 5: are continuing to play out. While Peter Navarro actually did

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Speaker 5: report to that federal prison in Miami, he spoke for

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Speaker 5: thirty minutes at a gas station yesterday and called it

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Speaker 5: quote unprecedented assault on the constitutional separation of powers. The

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Speaker 5: other quote, he said, I am pissed. That is what

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Speaker 5: I am feeling right now. Kind of an interesting case, actually, Ryan,

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Speaker 5: he was subpoena for documents and testimony at CNN says

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Speaker 5: related to efforts to overturn the twenty twenty election. He

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Speaker 5: rebuffed the demands, claiming that Trump had asserted privilege over

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Speaker 5: the requests and arguing the House Committee must negotiate with

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Speaker 5: Trump directly to sort out that dispute. Then he was

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Speaker 5: charged in June twenty twenty two with two counts of

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Speaker 5: contempt and was then found guilty on both counts. As

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Speaker 5: people may remember last September. So that gets to the

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Speaker 5: separation of powers question he's raising. He was saying that

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Speaker 5: Congress had to work that out with Trump, who had

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Speaker 5: asserted power over the documents. Let's put up D two. Now,

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Speaker 5: a lawyer was this isn't a separate case. This is

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Speaker 5: a pro Trump. Michigan attorney, as the Associated Press headline says,

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Speaker 5: who was arrested after a hearing in DC over the

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Speaker 5: leaking of Dominion documents. Stephanie Lambert they Wright was arrested

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Speaker 5: by US marshals after hearing over possible sanctions against her

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Speaker 5: for disseminating confidential emails from Dominion voting systems. Lambert obtained

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Speaker 5: the Dominion emails by representing Patrick Byrne, who is, as

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Speaker 5: the AP says, a prominent funder of election conspiracy theorists

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Speaker 5: being sued by Dominion for defamation. The US Marshals said

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Speaker 5: that Lambert was arrested in quote. Local Chargers of Michigan.

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Speaker 5: Judge in this earlier this month issued a bench warrant

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Speaker 5: for Lambert after she missed a hearing in her case.

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Speaker 5: She's charged with four felonies for accessing voting machines in

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Speaker 5: a search for evidence of a conspiracy theory against Trump.

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Speaker 5: She acknowledged passing on the documents or passing on the

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Speaker 5: records from dominion to quote law enforcement, and attached an

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Speaker 5: affidavit that included some of the lets emails was signed

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Speaker 5: by a county sheriff in southwestern Michigan who's investigated false

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Speaker 5: claims of widespread election fraud from the twenty twenty election. Goodness,

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Speaker 5: Ryan Peter Navarro, Let's start with him. Interesting case because

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Speaker 5: it's definitely unprecedented overused word, but actually he is the

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Speaker 5: first former White House official, as we mentioned, to be

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Speaker 5: charged in a case like this one, a breach of

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Speaker 5: what until Trump would have been considered Washington norms to

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Speaker 5: actually jail Peter Navarro over his non compliance with the subpoena.

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Speaker 3: Especially because the committee that he was subpoena to testify

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01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: in front of no longer is in operation, like they've

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Speaker 3: they've done the report, they put it out there. I'm

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01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: kind of conflicted. I'm torn on this one because on

1144
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: the one hand, you look at other countries that are

1145
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: constantly jailing each other's political opponents, and it might be

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Speaker 3: satisfying to the partisans on each side, but I never

1147
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: look at those countries with envy, Like gee, I wish

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Speaker 3: that that basket case of a system was the basket

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01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 3: case of a system that we had. There's something about

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01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: allowing people to lose with grace that allows for the

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Speaker 3: peaceful transfer of power, which is one reason that I

1152
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: think that Democrats should have immediately come down harder on

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Speaker 3: Trump rather than waiting four years, because he attacked the

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Speaker 3: foundation of democracy, which is the peaceful transfer of power.

1155
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: People take for granted how important and beneficial and innovation

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01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 3: that is to humanity, like for millennia, Like the way

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Speaker 3: that power was transferred created wars between rival factions that

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01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: you know, thousands or millions of people would get caught

1159
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: up in and killed in over just you know, who

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Speaker 3: got to have who got to have power, something that

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Speaker 3: you know, most of the peasants who were getting killed

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Speaker 3: as a result of this. They weren't going to see

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Speaker 3: any benefit one way or the other. It's just they

1164
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: were just getting caught up in this stuff. On the

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Speaker 3: on the other hand, you do want Congress to be

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Speaker 3: able to have investigative power and you and you do

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Speaker 3: want when somebody is subpoena to come like if you

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Speaker 3: don't want to testify to me, just plead the Fifth

1169
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Speaker 3: Amendment like that's that's that's why the Fifth Amendment exists.

1170
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Speaker 3: But showing actual contempt like that, and that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you've got a subpoena, I'm not showing up.

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Speaker 3: I think it's illegitimate. I've contempt for this subpoena underminds

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Speaker 3: the ability of Congress to then investigate. So I'd say

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Speaker 3: to you know, people who are you know, the megotypes

1175
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: out there, like what you know, what if you want

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: to investigate Hunter Biden or and Hunter Biden just says, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not showing up, Like should that be okay?

1178
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Speaker 4: Is that fine?

1179
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Speaker 3: Or do you ought you to respect subpoenas.

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Speaker 5: The Stephanie Lambert case is interesting in this context too,

1181
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 5: because we're in this one up doom spiral of norm

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Speaker 5: breaking and I think that's really relevant in the January

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 5: sixth stuff. But the January six committee stuff. One of

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Speaker 5: the reasons Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon ignored these subpoenas

1185
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 5: because they always saw the January six Committee as illegitimate.

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Speaker 5: From the beginning, Nancy Pelosi refused to see Kevin McCarthy's

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Speaker 5: choices for committee members, and then proceeded to tout the

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Speaker 5: committee as a bipartisan one because Liz Cheney and Adam

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Speaker 5: Pinsinger were on it, and the media basically gave her

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Speaker 5: opacity that as well, and continuously referred to it as

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Speaker 5: a bipartisan committee. It's true, it's bipartisan, although you know,

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Speaker 5: technically true it was bipartisan, although again she refused to seat,

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 5: as is the norm, the picks by the Speaker or

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Speaker 5: by Kevin McCarthy at the time, not the Speaker of

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 5: the House yet I don't believe but that that's why

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 5: Bannon and Navarro refused. And the January sixth Committee's hearings

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01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 5: were again produced by a former ABC guy and very

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Speaker 5: much not designed to obtain the truth, but to obtain

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Speaker 5: what one side of the narrative determines is the truth.

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Speaker 5: There weren't a lot of cross examinations of people like

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 5: Cassidy Hutchinson, who now appears very clearly to have spewed mistruths.

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Speaker 3: And they were making a cool documentary exact true crime.

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01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 5: Exactly it was. It was true crime and almost explicitly

1204
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 5: intentionally true crimes made for TV documentary. So that's where

1205
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,439
Speaker 5: this comes from. And we're about to have the same

1206
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 5: thing happen with elections. I don't know if you saw this.

1207
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 5: Katie Porter apologized to the pod Bros. The pods Bros, Yeah, rigged,

1208
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Speaker 5: but then.

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Speaker 3: She argued that because it took away from her point,

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Speaker 3: which is that it is rigged, which was not rigged

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Speaker 3: in the sense that election officials aren't the votes accurately.

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Speaker 4: That's what she was saying.

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Speaker 5: Right, And AOC recently talked about essentially how corporations buy

1214
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 5: elections and the contention, and Trump did not make this

1215
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Speaker 5: point elegantly. He did not make this point well at all,

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Speaker 5: and he made different points. He flirted way too much

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Speaker 5: with the dominion voting stuff. But Trump allys have been

1218
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 5: very clearly making the point that Mark Zuckerberg basically bought

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01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty election. Mark Zuckerberg and some other billionaires

1220
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Speaker 5: basically bought the twenty twenty election. Per Mollyball's Time article

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 5: about how a cabal of well funded.

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Speaker 3: Illegally subsidized like some absentee voting and stuff.

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Speaker 5: Right, that's it, right, is so like poured a bunch

1224
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Speaker 5: of money into dem districts. And again, that's not the

1225
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Speaker 5: definition of rig that everybody uses a lot of people

1226
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Speaker 5: use the definition to mean like dominion stuff, which is

1227
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Speaker 5: absolutely a conspiracy theory and insane, ridiculous nonsense, and it

1228
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 5: is not true. But it is kind of getting to

1229
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 5: this point where terrifying, as you said before, when you

1230
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Speaker 5: look at other countries that are constantly jailing political opponents

1231
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 5: and constantly having a quite elections that people aren't comfortable with,

1232
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Speaker 5: that people question and don't have faith in. We took

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Speaker 5: that for granted for a really long time, and we're

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Speaker 5: in a doomspoo right now where public faith in elections

1235
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Speaker 5: I only see it eroding over time, not going back

1236
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Speaker 5: in a better direction.

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Speaker 3: Well, Stephanie Lambert's defense is kind of funny, she argues,

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Speaker 3: so she basically is getting locked up for getting access

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Speaker 3: to dominion emails under an NDA and under the secrecy

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Speaker 3: of a lawsuit. That she's involved in and then leaking those,

1241
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 3: you know, breaking the NDA and leaking those. What she

1242
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Speaker 3: says is that she discovered evidence of a crime that

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Speaker 3: Dominion had committed. And her argument was if she found

1244
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Speaker 3: a severed head in discovery, that of course she would

1245
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Speaker 3: have to then call the authorities and say, hey, there's

1246
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Speaker 3: a severed head here in this evidence box, and doesn't

1247
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: appear that anybody has told anybody about it. So, you

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01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: know what, fair enough, I think that that particular example

1249
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Speaker 3: would in fact require her to go to law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: And break her NDA.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So her claim and her analogy then rests on whether

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Speaker 3: she can prove that what the emails that she discovered

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Speaker 3: related to Dominion prove a crime. And it has been

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Speaker 3: established at this point that it did not. That that's

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Speaker 3: not that's not where the quote unquote rating would have happened.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely. Let's move on to Texas big news. Actually,

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Speaker 5: in a story that was big news yesterday, there was

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Speaker 5: continuous big news when the Circuit Court of Appeals weight in.

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Speaker 5: So let's start with E one. This is a tear

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Speaker 5: street from NBC News. Supreme Court allows Texas to enforce

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Speaker 5: immigration law. That law in question is SB four, which

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Speaker 5: stands for Senate Bill for it allows Texas. Basically, this

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Speaker 5: is a new law gives local police the power to

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Speaker 5: arrest migrants. The three liberal justices dissented in this case.

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Speaker 5: They rejected an emergency request by the Biden administration that

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Speaker 5: said states do not have authority to legislate on immigration.

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Speaker 5: It is solely a federal government issue. That's also what

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Speaker 5: was actually at issue in a case that we talked

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Speaker 5: about just a few weeks ago, of the enforcement of

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Speaker 5: border laws. Texas is trying to put up different types

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Speaker 5: of barriers in the Rio Grande in sections of the border.

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Speaker 5: That is really similar. It's basically a clash over federalism

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 5: and state versus federal powers. This is really similar to

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Speaker 5: the law. As NBC WWO said in that first tear

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Speaker 5: sheet can go into effect. Well, litigation continues in lower courts.

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Speaker 5: It could still be blocked at a later date. Well,

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Speaker 5: funny enough, Ryan after Ken Paxson, we can put E

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Speaker 5: two up on the screen. He's the Attorney general of Texas.

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Speaker 5: He said, huge win. Texas had defeated the Biden administration

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Speaker 5: and acl US emergency motions at the Supreme Court. Our

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Speaker 5: immigration law as before is now in effect, as always,

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Speaker 5: it's my honor to defend Texas and it's sovereignty to

1284
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 5: lead us to victory in court. Well, that victory was

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 5: short lived. We could put the next stair shape up

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Speaker 5: on the screen. This is E three because then the

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Speaker 5: Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals weighed in to put that

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Speaker 5: immigration law back on hold. There are arguments in court

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Speaker 5: on this law actually today, Ryan. So it's an evolving

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Speaker 5: situation and reminds me a lot of what happened in

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Speaker 5: Arizona with then Governor jan Brewer when she passed I

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Speaker 5: think it was called SB ten seventy. I think this

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Speaker 5: was back around like twenty eleven during the Obama administration,

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Speaker 5: these questions over state powers federal powers when it comes

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Speaker 5: to enforcing immigration laws. At the time, the Obama Biden

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Speaker 5: administration and now the Biden Harris administration maintains basically that

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Speaker 5: states cannot take these actions to crack down on illegal immigration.

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Speaker 5: And that's again at issue here in the spfore controversy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Mexico responded to this ruling from the

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court yesterday by saying that they're going to enter

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Speaker 3: a Friend of the Court memo that and and there,

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Speaker 3: and they also said publicly, we're not dealing with Texas

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Speaker 3: as a sovereign government, like Texas is not negotiating with

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Speaker 3: Mexico as a country, like just like Mexican states would

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Speaker 3: not be able to negotiate with the United States. And

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Speaker 3: so they said they will not coordinate with Texas on

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Speaker 3: deportations and otherwise they're like get out of here. Like

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Speaker 3: our partner in Mexico's and our partner that we deal

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Speaker 3: with is the United.

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Speaker 4: States of America.

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Speaker 3: Not doing immigration with every individual states raises questions over

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Speaker 3: like how Texas plans to enforce this, How Texas is

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 3: going to go about figuring out you know, who, you know,

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Speaker 3: who it believes is in the country legally or or illegally.

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Speaker 3: Is Texas going to create its own laws around this issue?

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Speaker 3: Are they going to actually respect American laws? Like if

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Speaker 3: if somebody has a deferral of prosecution from you know,

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Speaker 3: some type of parole situation with the with the federal government,

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Speaker 3: does Texas honor that. Does Texas say that anybody with

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Speaker 3: a green card doesn't count? Does Texas only allow for uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, full law on citizens to count, or is

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Speaker 3: what what if Texas decides that actually naturalized citizens don't count,

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Speaker 3: and only kind of native born citizens count. Like what

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01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: would stop Texas from passing laws to that effect if

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Speaker 3: they can just do their own immigration policy.

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Speaker 4: And those are the those are the reasons.

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Speaker 3: For instance, that the three liberal Supreme Court justice said

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Speaker 3: that this would just create complete and total chaos if

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Speaker 3: it was allowed to take effect, and which is why

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Speaker 3: you know, they they argued that it should be you know,

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Speaker 3: stayed in an emergency basis the fact that the Fifth Circuit,

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Speaker 3: which is made up of strong conservatives is yes, you

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Speaker 3: would generously call them kooses, I would call them, Uh,

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Speaker 3: your generosity also said, uh, that this has to be

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Speaker 3: stayed pending. These these arguments goes to how huge a

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Speaker 3: kind of break you know that this would represent, because

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Speaker 3: what if what if New York besides to start doing its.

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Speaker 5: Own sanctuaries are exactly this.

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Speaker 3: Well, sanctuary cities are the opposite which are saying, we're

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Speaker 3: not touching immigration law. Well, it's all to enforce it, right, Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean if they can't stop, they cannot actually stop

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Speaker 3: like a raid from happening in their city. What what

1343
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: they can do is they can say, if we arrest somebody,

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 3: we're not doing your immigration work for you. We're not

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: going to check their immigration status and we're not going

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Speaker 3: to turn them over if we discover.

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Speaker 4: But but it doesn't act.

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Speaker 3: Stop immigration authorities from like going into state Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: Sure, but if illegal immigration is a crime, they're not

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Speaker 5: enforcing laws against the crust. That's part of the same right.

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Speaker 3: You know, states generally enforced state laws and not federal laws.

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Speaker 5: Sure, that's sure, sure, sure, But I mean there are

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 5: plenty of state statutes that are violated by people, whatever

1354
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 5: it is, fake social Security cards. And the sanctuary says

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Speaker 5: we're not complying with immigration authorities. And I think it's

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Speaker 5: interesting because actually, to this point, the Constitution is not

1357
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 5: clear on this question. And Ken Paxton, in his statement

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Speaker 5: after the Supreme Court initially ruled, said the Constitution is

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 5: clear Texas has the sovereign authority to defend its borders

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Speaker 5: from cartels, et cetera. And this is where Texas Republicans

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Speaker 5: and Republicans in general favor the invasion language because they

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 5: think that makes the constitutional powers to enforce immigration more clear. Now,

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Speaker 5: I don't blame Texas for doing what it did at all.

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Speaker 5: We probably disagree on that. We definitely disagree on that,

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Speaker 5: but at the same time, I actually do not think

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Speaker 5: the Constitution is clear on this question whatsoever, which is

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Speaker 5: why you have this ping ponging back and forth in

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Speaker 5: the court. And the other thing that's probably worth mentioning

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Speaker 5: is this flood of people that have come into the

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Speaker 5: country over the course of the Biden administration is not

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Speaker 5: the same as what's happened before, where you have people

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Speaker 5: who are actually illegally crossing the Rio Grande and then

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Speaker 5: sneaking into different parts of America. That's still happening, But

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much this law even affects what's

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01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 5: happened over the last couple of years because so many

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Speaker 5: people right now are here on temporary humanitarian parole, and

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Speaker 5: that's basically Republicans. In my own entire objection to what

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden has done is that it's created the system

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Speaker 5: of mass humanitarian parole in the hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 5: thousands a year, and so if you're here in humanitarian parole,

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Speaker 5: you're not getting deported by Texas police or any.

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Speaker 3: What Texas would have to do is then go find

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Speaker 3: people who've actually been in Texas for like ten years

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Speaker 3: but are undocumented and don't have that paperwork protection. And

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Speaker 3: then they wrote into the law that you can't arrest

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Speaker 3: people what in hospitals, schools, and churches, but they can

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Speaker 3: go everywhere else and try to And then how do

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 3: they guess, like are they just just papellis and they're

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Speaker 3: just asking people for papers? Like on the streets of

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Speaker 3: San Antonio or Austin you set up and that was Arizona?

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Speaker 5: Was that traffic stops?

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Speaker 1: I remember?

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Speaker 5: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right? So then exactly yes? And so then do you

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Speaker 3: have Texas rangers setting up checkpoints like in cities throughout

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Speaker 3: Texas so that everyone who's walking down this particular street

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Speaker 3: has to go through this checkpoint. So all the people

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Speaker 3: who are like cheering this like you're potentially opening the

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Speaker 3: door for a papers please society. And okay, now that

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Speaker 3: now they're asking for immigration papers. If I really want

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01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: to pander to to the right, what if they start

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01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 3: asking for vaccine.

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01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 5: Passport but blue versus red stage Yeah right.

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Speaker 4: You want you? Does that sound cool?

1405
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 3: Like checkpoints where you have to not just have your

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Speaker 3: immigration papers in order, but all your other papers.

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Speaker 4: You have to be up to date on all of

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01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 4: their you.

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 3: Know, you can't have any back taxes paid, no lean,

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01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 3: no leans against your house because you know you didn't pay.

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01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 4: You your water bill.

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01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 3: Gun permits yeah yeah yeah, pat you down.

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Speaker 4: You have a gun.

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Speaker 3: You have a gun permit?

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Speaker 5: Yeah No. I mean, I think it goes back to

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 5: what we were talking about in the block about Trump

1417
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 5: arrests on the being on the cusp of careening down

1418
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 5: the slippery slope oligarchical doom spiral where everyone in power

1419
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 5: is just constantly one upping each other in response to

1420
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 5: what they perceive as a norm breach. Well, we're going

1421
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 5: to just keep breaching norms until we get to that point. Now.

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Speaker 5: I genuinely again, I don't think the constitution is clear.

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01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 5: I think Texas is in a very real dilemma where

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Speaker 5: the Biden administration's policy has radically transformed Texas, has created

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01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:09,520
Speaker 5: in those border cities serious safety concerns, serious public health concerns,

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 5: serious welfare concerns, like I mean the literal welfare of

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01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 5: these communities like Alpasso, where you have people in tragic circumstances,

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01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 5: sleeping on the streets, in dirty conditions, not enough to eat,

1429
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 5: you know, these uncertain futures, and it's a real problem

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01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 5: for Texas and Texas should be able to try to

1431
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 5: take steps to disincentivize people from coming into the state

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Speaker 5: if that's the will of the voters and the Republican representatives,

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Speaker 5: I mean small are Republican representatives. I do think it is.

1434
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 5: There's a substantive question here. I think the Constitution doesn't

1435
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 5: have an obvious solution, which is why the stuff ping

1436
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 5: pongs through the courts and why again, basically, you can't

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01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 5: do anything in Congress because we are an oligarchy. There's

1438
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 5: no way to get around the fact that Congress should

1439
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 5: be acting in these cases. And there's just no way

1440
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:03,799
Speaker 5: for you know, you have the bill HR.

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Speaker 3: Two that got to give at some point, though, right you'd.

1442
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 5: Think although under Biden were up to uh several millions,

1443
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 5: uh just conservative estimates around four million people. And if

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01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 5: that's not what's going to give.

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01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 3: I'm still shocked that Republicans didn't take the all of

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01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 3: the authorities that Democrats were ready to hand to the

1447
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 3: executive when it came to immigration, which then a Steven

1448
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 3: Miller type in the Trump administration could have ripped wide

1449
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 3: open and done extraordinary amounts of damage if he wanted to.

1450
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 3: But for political reasons they said no because it's you know,

1451
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 3: it's not enough, and they didn't want to give Democrats

1452
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 3: a win.

1453
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:45,160
Speaker 5: Well, Trump was willing to negotiate with Pelosi on DAKA.

1454
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what it.

1455
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 4: Been doing back in the day.

1456
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was. And you know, obviously that got stopped

1457
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 5: because probably people like Steven Miller were so upset that

1458
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 5: Trump even flirted with that.

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01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, so and talk deep state. So New

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01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 3: York Times has deep state trending by with with it

1461
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 3: with a very interestingly chosen, really bizarre kind of decision

1462
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 3: to make this like a six or seven minute opinion video.

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Speaker 4: By the opinion pages.

1464
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 3: So it's not I'm sure the reporters over at the

1465
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: Times would want me to reiterate over and over that

1466
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 3: this was the opinion side of the New York Times

1467
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 3: that did this, not the kind of news reporting side,

1468
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 3: because I'm sure they're like, oh my goodness.

1469
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 4: What is this.

1470
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 3: Uh so we're not we don't, we're not going to

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Speaker 3: play the video. This is there there their copyrighted material.

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01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 3: We'll let you go over and you can check it

1473
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 3: out over at the over the New York Times. But essentially,

1474
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: what it's it's kind of it's it flirts with being

1475
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 3: satirical at times like it it comes in with like

1476
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 3: this heavy tone that they're going to kind of investigate

1477
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 3: the Trump administration's claim that a deep state has really

1478
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 3: kind of taken over the government. And they go to

1479
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 3: the EPA and talk to somebody who you know, is

1480
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: in charge of water quality. They go to somebody in NASA.

1481
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 3: We can move off the element now if you want.

1482
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 3: They go to somebody that you know who created it.

1483
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 3: Basically this program that showed that you can kind of

1484
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 3: hit an asteroid or a meteor and send it off course,

1485
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 3: you know which anybody who has seen Don't Look Up

1486
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 3: can say, you know what, forget the metaphor about climate change.

1487
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 3: If we don't want to get hit by an actual comment,

1488
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 3: it be nice to study how to like deflect a

1489
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 3: comment rather than like it don't look up spoilers like

1490
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 3: leave it to the tech guys.

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01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 5: You're talking about how great SDI was in the nineteen

1492
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 5: eighties and how much you supported Star Wars.

1493
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: There you go, yeah, I meant got to work those

1494
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 3: got to work out those lasers so you can target

1495
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 3: the meteors and save planet from extinction. Basically they talk

1496
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 3: to a bunch of bureaucrats who are doing like genuinely

1497
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 3: good work and saying like we have we have uncovered

1498
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 3: the deep state. So there's there's a lot to unpack

1499
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 3: about this argument. I guess we can just roll through

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01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:16,480
Speaker 3: this first, Elon Musk.

1501
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:18,599
Speaker 4: Bringing the nuance.

1502
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 3: They are the mouthpiece of the state, help helping to

1503
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 3: get this thing trending, though probably didn't need much help

1504
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 3: because of how kind of absurd the whole thing was,

1505
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 3: so we.

1506
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 4: Can take it, take it piece by piece.

1507
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 5: By the way, that is a man who has how

1508
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 5: much how many billions in.

1509
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 3: States that well is more deep state than this guy.

1510
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 3: He is the deep state. Yes, yeah, Elon Musk is

1511
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 3: the deep state.

1512
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 5: So it is kind of interesting that.

1513
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 3: It is getting But although he's starting to surface like

1514
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 3: he's so you know, he's gotten so powerful, he's not

1515
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 3: even deep state anymore. So two things. One, to me,

1516
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 3: the deep state that Trump is often referring to is

1517
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: like the CIA and the National Security apparatus that you

1518
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 3: know that he believes correctly kind of tried to undermine

1519
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: his his presidency, Like that's that's really what he means,

1520
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: what his And I'm curious if you agree with me

1521
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 3: on this. What his more ideological right wing allies mean

1522
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 3: by deep state is actually the EPA and the broader

1523
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 3: administrative states. That's such an interesting but they wanted that

1524
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 3: that's the deep state.

1525
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:24,760
Speaker 4: They want to disband it.

1526
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 3: Where if I bet if you said that Trump they're

1527
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 3: saying the EPA is the deep state, you'd be like,

1528
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? You know, I'm sure he's

1529
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 3: annoyed by the EPA when they get in his way

1530
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,520
Speaker 3: around development projects.

1531
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 4: But when he's talking deep state.

1532
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 3: He's talking Russia Gate and spying on his campaign and

1533
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: all and all of those types of things, right, Like

1534
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 3: those are like.

1535
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 5: I think that's a really interesting point. I was thinking

1536
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 5: about this yesterday, but I think you put it. I

1537
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 5: wasn't thinking about in the word the way that you

1538
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 5: put it, which I think is really well done. Because

1539
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,879
Speaker 5: there's the deep state that is sort of the Schedule

1540
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 5: F priands of people like Groundo. Santa's Schedule F would

1541
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 5: basically allow the president. But I love this proposal. I

1542
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 5: love Schedule F. I think it's in the New.

1543
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: York Times video. They warn't about Schedule F, which would

1544
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 3: what allow basically allow the administration to root out a

1545
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 3: bunch of civil servants without kind of the kind of

1546
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: worker protections that have been built up over time.

1547
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 5: And the idea in conservative circles is that basically, at

1548
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,679
Speaker 5: vast bureaucratic institutions like the EPA for example, any given

1549
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 5: president really doesn't have control over his own executive agencies

1550
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 5: like the EPA actually, thanks to Richard Nixon, falls under

1551
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 5: executive powers, meaning you are the one, the president is

1552
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,719
Speaker 5: the one who's technically in charge of these bureaus. They say,

1553
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 5: with the vast growth at some of these organizations, Department

1554
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 5: of Labor, et cetera, they are not really under the

1555
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 5: president's executive perview constitutional perview because they're so powerful on

1556
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 5: their own. This is being litigated in the Chevron case

1557
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 5: that's going through the Supreme Court right now, which will

1558
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 5: be huge news when it's decided around June. But basically

1559
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 5: executive powers is the question of Schedule F. And so yes,

1560
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 5: when some people say deep state, I think they do

1561
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 5: really mean like the EPA, whatever, as when I say it,

1562
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 5: I typically only mean the National Security Apparatus. But I

1563
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 5: think the word, to your point, has been used interchangeably,

1564
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 5: which allowed the New York Times to sort of construct

1565
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 5: this giant s draw man about how gosh, what is

1566
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 5: the quote from this video that's so good? There's one

1567
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 5: quote that I particularly love from the video about how

1568
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 5: you're right. It is kind of like it's kind of

1569
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 5: tongue in cheek and then also kind of not tongue

1570
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 5: in cheek, you know, like they tried to they tried

1571
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 5: to like sort of be very clever about it.

1572
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 4: Well you're looking for it.

1573
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: I'll make the point that I think that what a

1574
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 3: lot of Trump's allies are doing is weaponizing his and

1575
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 3: his supporters hostility to the national security deep state in

1576
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 3: their unrelated attack on the rest of the government.

1577
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:52,959
Speaker 4: Right, Like, their real.

1578
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: Goal is to get rid of the EPA and the

1579
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 3: NLRB and Department of Labor, Department of Education. They want

1580
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 3: to get to get rid of it. They've always wanted

1581
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 3: to get rid of all this cfp B. Whereas whereas

1582
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 3: most of I think Trump's base like the CFPB, Like

1583
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 3: if you tell them what the cfp B does, it's

1584
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 3: like the place that you can go to complain if

1585
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,200
Speaker 3: you get ripped off by a corporation. And and they're

1586
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 3: going to like they've paid back billions of dollars to

1587
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: Americans and uh and go after fraud, but you know,

1588
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 3: engaged in by corporations or the FTC breaking up, breaking

1589
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 3: up monopolies and stopping mergers that would be harmful to consumers, workers, environment,

1590
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 3: et cetera. Like most of Trump's base, I've been it's like, no,

1591
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 3: that's that's a good thing. Do you like Cowley and

1592
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 3: uh and you know, and on other kind of maga

1593
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: Senators people new right folks are totally into, you know,

1594
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 3: that element. But the kind of corporate wing is not

1595
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: at all into what Lena Khan is up to and

1596
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 3: would love to kind of make her collateral damage of

1597
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: an attack on.

1598
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 4: The deep state.

1599
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just quote unquote deep state in the national

1600
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 3: security sense.

1601
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean again, like I'm hardly a libertarian or

1602
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 5: part of the corporate wing of the conservative sphere, but

1603
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 5: I think, you know, there's this argument especially I actually

1604
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 5: wrote a piece a couple of years ago called like

1605
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 5: the culture something like the War on energy is part

1606
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 5: of the culture war something like that. I don't remember

1607
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 5: exactly what the headline was, but basically, from a conservative perspective,

1608
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 5: the EPA various regulations that come out of the EPA,

1609
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 5: which is actually what's on the docket in the Chevron case.

1610
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 5: What's that issue in the Chevron case that's going through

1611
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 5: the Supreme courts right now about how these agencies can

1612
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 5: act on their own versus you know, through various other

1613
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 5: exercises of constitutional power, whether it's from Congress or the

1614
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 5: President of United States. That's you know, sort of what

1615
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 5: you have is unelected people in Washington, d c. Through

1616
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 5: some of these agencies making decisions that should be made

1617
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 5: on a state or local level, or should be made

1618
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 5: by the President themselves, or at the under the authority

1619
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 5: the president themselves. And technically they are acting under the

1620
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 5: authority of the President themselves. But the question of whether

1621
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 5: that power has become overly broad is a very real one,

1622
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 5: and it does. You know, there are corporations that really

1623
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,760
Speaker 5: love these executive agencies because they feel like they have

1624
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 5: the revolving door power and can bend them to their will.

1625
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 5: And so if you disempower the agencies, consolidate some of them,

1626
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 5: Like I wouldn't fully get rid of the Department of Education,

1627
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 5: which has been a goal of the conservative movement for many,

1628
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 5: many years, but dramatically shrink it down. I think that

1629
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 5: would give teachers unions less power. It certainly would give

1630
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 5: teachers unions less power, but it would empower them more

1631
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,560
Speaker 5: on the local level. So anyway, all that is to say,

1632
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 5: the conflation is a real problem for the right because

1633
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 5: there are obviously consensus points between people like you and

1634
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 5: me on the national security deep state. Those are not

1635
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 5: consensus points at all on the broader executive power question.

1636
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: And there's an interesting unchallenged assumption in the New York

1637
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 3: Times video where they can saying that these you know,

1638
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: these government people are doing this good work for you.

1639
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 3: Trump wants them to work for him. Yeah, But the

1640
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: unchallenged assumption there is that the president doesn't work for

1641
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:20,440
Speaker 3: the people like you. Actually don't you want the bureaucrats

1642
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 3: to work for the president? Now for the New York Times,

1643
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 3: they don't if the president is Trump. And during you know,

1644
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, you had all of these cases of of

1645
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 3: bureaucrats and I cheered them on undermining Trump and like

1646
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: pursuing because that's that's a political struggle. But you know,

1647
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 3: you'd have these social media accounts that would like go

1648
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: rogue against the Trump the Trump administration. But if you

1649
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 3: think about it from a shoe on the other foot perspective,

1650
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 3: Let's say a Bernie Sanders, you know, Pregaza gets elected

1651
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: president and he has an agenda, radical agenda that he

1652
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 3: wants to accomplish, and a bunch of the bureaucrats don't

1653
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 3: like his agenda and work to sabotage it. I would

1654
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 3: be outraged. Mm hmm, Like, I know, I didn't elect you.

1655
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 3: I elected Bernie to implement this agenda, implement his agenda.

1656
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 4: Yes, so I get like so.

1657
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 3: The Times has an interesting kind of contradiction there that

1658
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 3: they need to work out.

1659
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 5: Yeah. Their quote is when we hear deep state, instead

1660
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 5: of recoiling, we should rally. We should think about the

1661
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 5: workers otherwise known as our public servants, that every day

1662
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 5: superheroes who wake up ready to dedicate their careers and

1663
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 5: their lives to serving us. These are the Americans we employee.

1664
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: Even though their work is often invisible, it makes their

1665
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 5: lives better. But if Donald Trump is re elected in

1666
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 5: an act scheduled, if that could change, he would have

1667
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 5: the power to evsterate the so called deep state and

1668
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 5: replace our public servants with people who work for him,

1669
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 5: not us. Of course, from the perspective of like the

1670
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:47,799
Speaker 5: real left, yes, the revolving door at the EPA between

1671
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 5: Exon Mobile is a very real thing.

1672
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 3: Do they really work for us or do they work

1673
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: for Exon Mobile their future employees? Now, like some of

1674
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 3: these agencies are you know, doing great work like that,

1675
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: like the FTC.

1676
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 4: That we mentioned.

1677
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: But if I had one criticism editorially kind of stylistically

1678
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 3: of the Times video, it mocks the entire idea, and

1679
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 3: so it's you're never going like it was. It was

1680
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 3: clearly intended for people that already agree with them, yeah,

1681
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 3: to like buck up their their take rather and like look,

1682
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 3: look how you know ridiculous these people are that don't

1683
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 3: understand that.

1684
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 4: You know, NASA does great work and they it's great work.

1685
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 3: And the late Department of Labor, you know, that's the

1686
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 3: other one they mentioned, Department of Labor rescuing thirteen year

1687
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 3: olds from working in slaughterhouse.

1688
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 5: It's like, although it's not doing a great job of

1689
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 5: that either.

1690
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 3: Which means that we need to fund them more, not

1691
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 3: do more, not do less.

1692
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 5: It means we need to cut down the revolving door

1693
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 5: problem of industry lobbying. The Department of Labor rind closed doors.

1694
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 3: But it's it's there's there's no persuasion attempt in the

1695
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 3: video at all.

1696
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 4: It just it just mocks the entire notion.

1697
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 3: And so which, okay, you know that's that's their editorial

1698
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 3: choice if they don't want to try to persuade, and

1699
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,000
Speaker 3: maybe The Times is just given up on trying to

1700
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 3: reach an alternative audience that doesn't already agree with them.

1701
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 3: But that would be a shame because of how you know,

1702
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,840
Speaker 3: hegimonic they are at least over mainstream media.

1703
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 5: Well, Brian, you have a great story that you reported

1704
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 5: out over at the Intercept Intercept about Honduras.

1705
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 4: Fun.

1706
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 3: This is a fun one.

1707
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 5: Tell us what the hell is going on?

1708
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 4: So we can put this put this one up on

1709
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 4: the screen here.

1710
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 3: So the story went up last night over at the

1711
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 3: Intercept and it's a complicated, but not that complicated story.

1712
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 3: So if you're just listening, the headline on this one

1713
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 3: is Honduras ratchets up battle with crypto libertarian investors rejects

1714
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 3: World Bank court. The subheadline after the Honduran president repealed

1715
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:59,280
Speaker 3: a law granting unfettered authority to outside investors. Crypto keistadors

1716
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 3: took to this to a World Bank arbitration court. I'm

1717
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 3: pleased with myself for crypto keystadors love it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's I think that's a good one.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the initial irony that this that these

1720
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 3: are crypto libertarians who are using the basically one of

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01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 3: the great biggest examples of a globalist institution, which would

1722
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 3: be the World Bank. Like they're supposed to hate the

1723
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: World Bank. Instead they're using the World Bank.

1724
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 5: Ron Paul raged against the World Bank for.

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01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 3: Years and now and now these crypto bros are trying

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01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 3: to use the World Bank to force Hondoras to do

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Speaker 3: fill in the blank. I'll explain what they're doing here.

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01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 3: So for this you have to back up to two

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01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. You could start. So Manuel Zelia, as

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01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 3: the president at the time of Honduras, is left leaning

1731
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 3: president who starts to try to reform the constitution or

1732
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:56,719
Speaker 3: try to challenge the limits on running for another term.

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01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 3: The military overthrows him in a coup which was supported

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01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 3: by the United States. It does not appear that it

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01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:05,040
Speaker 3: was orchestrated by the United States.

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01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll learn more.

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01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 3: There are a lot of ties between the coup lotters

1738
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 3: and the United States officials. Regardless, Hillary Clinton a State

1739
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 3: department like immediately is pleased by the coup and supports

1740
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 3: kind of a new person taking power. After Zelaya is ousted,

1741
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 3: there are then, you know, kind of bogus rough elections

1742
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 3: that are held that see portfolio. Lobo Sosa, right wing,

1743
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 3: right wing president take power in Honduras. He immediately moves

1744
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 3: to undo all of the worker protections and the land

1745
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,879
Speaker 3: reform and the other kind of left wing social policy

1746
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 3: that Zalaya was putting into place. At the same time,

1747
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 3: the head of the National Congress, Juan Orlando Ornandez, puts

1748
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 3: forward legislation that will carve out up to a third

1749
01:34:55,200 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 3: of Honduras for these radical liber this radical libertarian idea,

1750
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 3: which is that you can just have this like this

1751
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,679
Speaker 3: American corporation. You can have this territory and it's called

1752
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 3: a z and you can create your own laws. You

1753
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 3: will be a sovereign government. You can you can create

1754
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: a city, you can you can pretend that you are

1755
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 3: an actual government and that we will honor you as

1756
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:26,480
Speaker 3: a government. And they do all sorts of like insane

1757
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 3: things like based on the amount of property you own,

1758
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 3: is how many votes you get in the election. It's

1759
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 3: like it's like how libertarian, you know, you can get

1760
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 3: rid of pedophilia laws like it's like a libertarian kind

1761
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 3: of fever dream. They take bitcoin as like, you know,

1762
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: as kind of legal tender in these areas.

1763
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 5: Did you watch Anakapolco by the way, in Hi. It

1764
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 5: was a great documentary about an attempt that basically do this.

1765
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 3: And so they're trying to do this all over the world,

1766
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 3: but Honduras is one place that they picked on and

1767
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 3: it did not end well, by the way, I'm surprised then. Well,

1768
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 3: and so the Supreme Court of Honduras at the time says,

1769
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 3: you can't do this, this is this is unconstitutional. Hernandez,

1770
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 3: as the President of Congress, sacks a bunch of Supreme

1771
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:18,559
Speaker 3: Court justices, puts in new Supreme Court justices and amends

1772
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 3: a constitution and says and the new justices are like, actually, oh,

1773
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 3: this is this is totally fine.

1774
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 4: You can do this.

1775
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 3: Hernandez then takes power after Lobo Sosa implements these these

1776
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 3: z laws.

1777
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 4: Why are we talking about Hernandez?

1778
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 3: Lobo Sosa, his his brother Tony Hernandez, who's a congressman,

1779
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: was a well known narco trafficker, like one like who

1780
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 3: prosecutors federal US federal prosecutors later said was moving monumental

1781
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 3: amounts of cocaine now and and also that he was

1782
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 3: funding the campaigns of the past two presidents, his brother

1783
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 3: and the one before him. Now, remember that Zealia was

1784
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 3: overthrown in two thousand and nine ostensibly because he was

1785
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: trying to extend to a second term. Well, lo and behold,

1786
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the new Supreme Court that Hernanda's

1787
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,639
Speaker 3: put into place doesn't have problems with new terms anymore.

1788
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,799
Speaker 3: And so in twenty seventeen, he runs for re election,

1789
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 3: funded by narco traffickers, again through incredibly irregularity. It's just ridiculous,

1790
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 3: ridiculously fraudulent election. He claims victory, and the Trump administration

1791
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 3: quickly recognizes him and says, this is our man. You

1792
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 3: know we Hernan Hernanda's president going to continue to be

1793
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 3: This is while America knows that he's deeply tied at

1794
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 3: the hip with drug traffickers. So he finally leaves office

1795
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, and by then he's lost usefulness

1796
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 3: to the United States. So, along with his brother, the

1797
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 3: president is himself arrested and indicted and earlier this month,

1798
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,639
Speaker 3: convicted of being a co trafficker. So the Hernandez brothers

1799
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 3: are currently sitting in American prisons. Meanwhile, Shiamura Castro, who

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01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 3: is the wife of Zelia, wins in the twenty twenty

1801
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 3: one presidential election legitimately on kind of a left wing

1802
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 3: platform that she's going to fight back against this narco corruption.

1803
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 3: She's going to roll back these kind of right wing policies,

1804
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 3: and she's going to bring in Zelia's agenda of the

1805
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:31,639
Speaker 3: land reform of worker rights, and she promises that she's

1806
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,760
Speaker 3: going to kick these crypto bros out of the country,

1807
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 3: that this is obscene. We're not turning our country over

1808
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 3: to these guys. So she very quickly passes through the

1809
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 3: National Congress a repeal of these laws. If there was

1810
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:51,520
Speaker 3: sovereignty and democracy in Honduras, if that's what we respected,

1811
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 3: that would be the end of it. Be like, hey, yeah,

1812
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 3: your coup government handed over a bunch of the country

1813
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 3: to you. But now your coup government is in prison,

1814
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 3: a federal prison in the US. So you lose, you

1815
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 3: pack up and go home. No, of course that's not

1816
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 3: how it goes. So the crypto crowd sue goes to

1817
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 3: the World Bank, which has en up you know, through

1818
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 3: the Central American Free Trade Agreement, had set up this

1819
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 3: obscure court that is that is part of this this

1820
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 3: theme that developed over the last few decades called basically

1821
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 3: investor settlement dispute resolutions, so that you take the you

1822
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 3: take a sovereignty out of the question, and you have

1823
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 3: like the World Bank or the WTO or some other

1824
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 3: global financial institution sets up an arbitration court, and if

1825
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 3: a corporation has a problem with a government, they take

1826
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 3: it to that court rather than rather than having to

1827
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 3: go through you know, Honduran courts. The idea being that

1828
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 3: these governments are so corrupt they can't be trusted. But

1829
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 3: the actual idea being that the corporations can corrupt the

1830
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,800
Speaker 3: global financial institutions and win and win judgments there that

1831
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 3: they can then get an American court to enforce and

1832
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 3: then they can start seizing Honduran property all over the world.

1833
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: So the response from Shiamora Castro was, you know what

1834
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 3: we're at, We're leaving this World Bank court. We're not

1835
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,719
Speaker 3: playing this game. We're out of here.

1836
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,240
Speaker 4: And so she did that. Last week.

1837
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 3: I spoke to the Commissioner that she is appointed to

1838
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 3: oppose these these crypto bros. He said that the World

1839
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 3: Bank Court has acceded to its request to leave. I

1840
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 3: reached out to the crypto folks for comment. Uh, they said,

1841
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 3: it's unconstitutional. She can't just walk away from this court.

1842
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 3: The Honduran government tell me, know, like, that's not at

1843
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:44,559
Speaker 3: all what the policy is. You know, it takes Congress

1844
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 3: to reach a treaty, but you can walk away from

1845
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,920
Speaker 3: this court, like the treaty allows a mechanism for you

1846
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 3: to walk away.

1847
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 4: What I think will still happen is they'll continue this case.

1848
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 3: It might even win an arbitration ruling, you know, you know,

1849
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 3: in absentia, and then they'll start and force seeing this

1850
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 3: judgment against Honduran assets all over the world, exacerbating the

1851
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 3: problem for you know, the economic problems for Honduras. The

1852
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 3: crypto dudes are suing for eleven billion dollars.

1853
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,599
Speaker 4: I think that you can google this, but.

1854
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 3: Honduran National Government's annual budget is something like seven billion.

1855
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 3: The GDP of Honduras is like thirty billion. The context,

1856
01:41:24,680 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 3: of course, is that this has led to a surge

1857
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 3: in migrants coming to the northern border as the narco

1858
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 3: traffickers took control. In the wake of this kind of

1859
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 3: US supported coup an attempt to like turn it into

1860
01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 3: some libertarian paradise.

1861
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 5: This is such an incredible story. The narcos, by the way,

1862
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 5: that have been tried in court by the US, part

1863
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 5: of their defense has been that they were on really

1864
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 5: friendly terms with the US government. It's one of the

1865
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 5: paragraphs the US had no evident problem with that free

1866
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 5: willing narco state. Well, Hernandez was an off and remained useful.

1867
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 5: Yet once Castro took power in a backlash of the

1868
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 5: US field corruption, the U United States suddenly rediscovered its

1869
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 5: respect for the rule of law and the sanctity of

1870
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 5: contracts with US investors. Unfortunately, probably going to see something

1871
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,799
Speaker 5: similar play out in Haiti in the days and weeks

1872
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:20,920
Speaker 5: to come. This is a very interesting story in the

1873
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 5: ongoing saga of the marriage between crypto and Power's similar

1874
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 5: to kind of how the Internet started in not even

1875
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 5: how the Internet started, but how the Internet kind of

1876
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,160
Speaker 5: took off in the nineties and the aughts, as you know,

1877
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 5: the sort of jungle the wild wild West in a

1878
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 5: great way, A lot of Americans saw this as like

1879
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 5: the frontier, and then quickly it was captured by powerful interests.

1880
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 5: Silicon Valley used to see themselves as the cowboys, and

1881
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 5: some of them still do, like Jeff Bezos and his

1882
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 5: dumb cowboy hat. But you have seen the marriage between

1883
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 5: people like Elon Musk. As we were talking about earlier,

1884
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 5: talked about how the New York Times is the mouthpiece

1885
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 5: of the state. Elon Musk is tied at the hit

1886
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 5: to the.

1887
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 3: State requires an authoritarian government. It turns out, so now

1888
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 3: crypto and again unaccountable.

1889
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 5: Well, Paul was right about the World Bank, by the way,

1890
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 5: I think we've talked about that before. But the marriage

1891
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 5: of crypto and power, the marriage of crypto in the

1892
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 5: World Bank, that's it seems to be a pretty interesting

1893
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 5: statement on the direction of crypto.

1894
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 3: It sure is. And I can wrap by saying that,

1895
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 3: like the going and going to comment for this company Prospera,

1896
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 3: which is the one that is suing for eleven billion dollars,

1897
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 3: was one of the more interesting.

1898
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 4: Kind of exchanges I've had.

1899
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 3: So I reached out to the communications department for the

1900
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,640
Speaker 3: company and they wrote back.

1901
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 4: And then I can send these to producers. We can

1902
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 4: put them up.

1903
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 3: They wrote back and said, you'll be hearing from the

1904
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:46,640
Speaker 3: office of the Technical Secretary. And I'm like, oh, so

1905
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 3: they're really going with soul, we're a government thing. And

1906
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 3: so then I hear from Jorge Colleendres and his signature

1907
01:43:54,760 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 3: says Technical Secretary, Republic of Honduras. But then under it

1908
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 3: it says the Republic of Honduras. Yeah, Republic of Honduras.

1909
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:07,799
Speaker 3: Then underneath there's his manager General Service Provider. Like this

1910
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 3: this this interesting blend of public and private. And he says,

1911
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, dear Ryan, attached to will find my office's

1912
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 3: statement on the unconstitutional withdrawal from ic SID by the

1913
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:27,360
Speaker 3: Honduran government, and then attaches this this letter which has

1914
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,280
Speaker 3: may we can, I can, I'll give this producers too.

1915
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 3: It's got it's got seals on it. It's got like

1916
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:38,160
Speaker 3: government signature, is it like it really like is saying

1917
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 3: that it is a government And they say in the

1918
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the statement. A Prospera ZED is

1919
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 3: a local government and special economic zone of the Republic

1920
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 3: of Honduras. It is governed by the Technical Secretary, a

1921
01:44:49,439 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 3: Honduran citizen by birth, appointed by the Government of Honduras

1922
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 3: and empowered by Article three twenty nine of the Honduran

1923
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 3: Constitution and the Zeed Organic Law to oversee the implementation

1924
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:04,360
Speaker 3: of new policies and rules designed to foster economic development,

1925
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 3: facilitate job creation, attract national and foreign direct investment, and

1926
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 3: safeguard the fundamental rights of the workers and residents of

1927
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 3: this special jurisdiction. So like they're all in on the

1928
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 3: idea that like they are an actual government that has

1929
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 3: been created by the Honduran government, and that the Honduran

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Speaker 3: government cannot undo the creation of that government.

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Speaker 5: You know what special Economic Zone sounds like to me

1932
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Speaker 5: is like United Fruit owning the railroads. It's just it's

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Speaker 5: the echoes are really really strong here. And then you

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Speaker 5: have the United States suddenly rediscovering the rule of law

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Speaker 5: because they want to protect corporate interests if that's what

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Speaker 5: ends up happening, and it's echoes of the past are

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Speaker 5: very strong in this case Special Economic Zone.

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Speaker 3: What's funny, though, is then I also got a second reply.

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Speaker 4: So the.

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Speaker 3: Comms folks sent me off to the government, local government,

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Speaker 3: but then somebody else from the corporation also as I

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Speaker 3: sent it to a big channel, somebody else got it,

1943
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Speaker 3: and they're like, I'm busy, I can't respond now, but

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Speaker 3: and sent like a five hundred word response which was

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Speaker 3: basically saying Honduras is basically in league with like Cuba

1946
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Speaker 3: and Venezuela and we're fighting for fighting for freedom.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so we got yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's also just all of these echoes of

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Speaker 5: the past in this case study, where it's like, I

1950
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Speaker 5: don't want to sneer at people, whether they're in America

1951
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Speaker 5: or Honduras or you know, people who really love Bukele

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Speaker 5: who had a failed crypto experiment. But it's there are

1953
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Speaker 5: good reasons that people sort of and they probably would

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Speaker 5: find common ground with the two of us on a

1955
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Speaker 5: lot of issues, Like hardcore libertarians that really believe in

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Speaker 5: the vision of crypto and the mission of crypto. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to come across as sneering about that. And

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Speaker 5: similar in the past. I mean there are people who.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is controversial stuff within the crypto world,

1960
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Speaker 3: Like a lot of crypto people are like this is

1961
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Speaker 3: this is crazy, Like you try to do your floating

1962
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Speaker 3: cities and realize that that wasn't going to work, so

1963
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Speaker 3: now you're just going to like third world countries and

1964
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Speaker 3: trying to just take territory there. Yep.

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Speaker 5: And a lot of really great visions get derailed by

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Speaker 5: billionaires derailed by billionaires and captured by their interests, and

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Speaker 5: they end up ruining people with good intentions lives in

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Speaker 5: the process.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I just sent back the emails perfect.

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Speaker 5: So if you're watching this, you probably saw them. I

1971
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Speaker 5: haven't seen them yet. I look for it. I'll have

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Speaker 5: to watch to see the emails, f Ryan. This has

1973
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Speaker 5: been another fun edition of Counterpoints.

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Speaker 4: Always always a good time here.

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Speaker 5: We got to talk about Honduras. We got to watch

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Speaker 5: the State Department.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a hearing this afternoon or this morning

1978
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Speaker 3: that I'm headed to now where the Assistant Secretary donlu

1979
01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 3: is going to be solo testifying at the house. He's

1980
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Speaker 3: the State Department official who basically nudged Imran Khan out

1981
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Speaker 3: of power yes back in twenty twenty two, so it'll

1982
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Speaker 3: be interesting to see if he gets questions about that

1983
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Speaker 3: or the US is response to the brazenly stolen election

1984
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Speaker 3: of February eighth.

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Speaker 5: And just a reminder to everybody that if this is

1986
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Speaker 5: going your spam or prevent it from going to your

1987
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1988
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1989
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1990
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1991
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1993
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Speaker 5: get the whole show right to your inbox. And I

1994
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Speaker 5: will say, Ryan, I think we can officially tease that

1995
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Speaker 5: we're getting really close to Friday show.

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Speaker 3: But only if you guys do a couple more subscriptions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, flood flood us with subscriptions.

1998
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Speaker 4: Today and then we'll do a Friday show.

1999
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Speaker 5: Then we'll take them to Crystal and Sager and say, look,

2000
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Speaker 5: the people are calling clamoring for Counterpoints.

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Speaker 3: Friday, but not yet.

2002
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Speaker 4: So for now, we'll see you next Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Sounds good to see you guys next Wednesday.