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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome again to Thinking Sideways, where once

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Speaker 1: again we have a mystery for you. This week, we're

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Speaker 1: about some stuff because that was a beautiful, beautiful intro

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the supposed curse surrounding players who

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Speaker 1: Supposedly it ruins their careers or does bad things through

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Speaker 1: it's also kind of pop culture mystery. Yeah, kind of is.

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Speaker 1: Give us a little bit. We're an ministries podcast, not

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Speaker 1: So we know what football is, Yeah, we do, we do.

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Speaker 1: We're talking well, we're talking about American football where they

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Speaker 1: because he had been with the Packers forever, yeah, many

428
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Speaker 1: many years. But Farv had been playing this I think

429
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna retire at the end of this season game

430
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Speaker 1: for several years. And so I don't think that the

431
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Speaker 1: guys at Maden NFL really believed him, because a lot

432
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Speaker 1: of people didn't believe him, and they said, we're gonna

433
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Speaker 1: put him on the cover, and uh, then he said

434
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Speaker 1: he retired, and then he came back. And that's the

435
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Speaker 1: one where you like he went with the Jets when

436
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Speaker 1: he came back. That's because he said he was retiring.

437
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: So of course they the Packers say well, we need

438
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, and so they get a different quarterback and

439
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: he says, I'm coming back, and they say, great, We've

440
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: traded you to the New York Jets. I bet I

441
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: really like that because they had to re render the

442
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: longer they put on a whole new cover, So I'm

443
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: really probably pretty sure they were not happy with you.

444
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: I bet there are some very very expensive collectors editions

445
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Speaker 1: that somebody has of him actually in the Green Bay Packers. Yeah,

446
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that probably Garners a couple of

447
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: bucks from collectors to actually release any of the ones

448
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Speaker 1: with the Packers uniform of the cover as far as

449
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: I know, Yeah, they had to do a late release,

450
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: they had to redo it, and they have a second

451
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: release of it because of course the stinking thing comes

452
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: out almost immediately after the end of the the Super

453
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: Bowl because it comes out early in the year. But

454
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: then you know, he says I'm retiring, and they're like, okay, great,

455
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: it's fine. And then he comes back. But now he

456
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: comes back at the end of the year. Yeah, they

457
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: had to fitter redo it. I bet that it's probably

458
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: about half a million football fans out there who want

459
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Speaker 1: to each version of it. Too possible, probably possible. But

460
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: when he comes back, you know, farms, Uh, he doesn't

461
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: exactly have the best year his his season. He has

462
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Speaker 1: a lot of poor performance. He doesn't do as good

463
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: as people thought he was gonna And then there's the

464
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: whole issue of there was a sexual harassment scandal going on,

465
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: so somebody harassing him. Yeah, no, the other way around,

466
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: because that's how that stuff works. Jomp Um. The Jets

467
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: would finish the two thousand Eights even season nine and seven,

468
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: which isn't bad, but they wouldn't get into the playoffs.

469
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: Um and then five would leave there and go play

470
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: with the Minnesota Vikings in two thousand nine and ten

471
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: before he would actually officially officially officially retire due to injuries.

472
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: But it sounds like maybe he should have just retired

473
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Speaker 1: in the first probably well, you know, he made a

474
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: boatload of money from it, but he probably shouldn't have

475
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: done it. Probably could have made a boatload of money

476
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: with just endorsements and you know other stuff. You can

477
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: make money on endorsements. Holy crap, I back. You just

478
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: got to be careful not to get caught like dog

479
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: fighting or running dog fighting or harassing people. Yeah, I

480
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: mean generally being a good human being as much required

481
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: he like Tiger. Remember old Tiger. He had a hundred

482
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: million dollars in commercial contracts and then he got sort

483
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: of Oh my god, yeah, he lost a lot. Honestly,

484
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you even have to be a good person.

485
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: You just have to be I mean, it's not even

486
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: you just have to not be a horrible person, Okay

487
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: or no, you can be as horrible as you want.

488
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: Just don't talk. I mean, yeah, there's that. Well, let's

489
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: keep going. We're almost through my list here, mad and

490
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: NFL ten. This is Troy Paula Malou of the Pittsburgh

491
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: Steelers and Larry Fitzgerald of the Arizona Cardinals would both

492
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: be featured on the cover that year, and they died

493
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: in a car wrect together. No they didn't. They absconded

494
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: with millions of dollars. To know they didn't together. That's

495
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: the first year that two players were actually on the cover,

496
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: and it's actually one of the more interesting because it

497
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: shows the pair of them actually running towards each other

498
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: like they're gonna have some big tackle, explosive hits situation.

499
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: But of course that's not what they're gonna do. But

500
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: the point is people went, oh, my god, the curses

501
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: gonna get both of them. Oh hell well. Paula Malouf,

502
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: for his part, would strain his MCL at the start

503
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: of the season and miss a couple of four games,

504
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: which it's it's it's a ligament in your knee. He

505
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: would then strain his PCL, which is a different ligament

506
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: in your knee, and he would only play I think

507
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: he played five games that year. In the Steelers wouldn't

508
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: have a very good season. They would be nine of

509
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: seven and they wouldn't get into the playoffs. Fitzgerald, for

510
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: his part, he had a fantastic year. He scored a

511
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: career high thirteen touchdowns and the Cardinals would win the

512
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: NFC West Division. They time. I can totally see a

513
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: new refinement to the curse now, which is that the

514
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: guy on the left hand side still the guy on

515
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: the right hand side actually actually gets a boost. He well,

516
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: that the only year that they did two players. Yeah,

517
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: I haven't, I don't. I didn't see anything from there

518
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: that said there were two on the cover at the

519
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: same time. They always featured one prominently and that's it.

520
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: So he was to do one because they have that

521
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: endorsement thing. They have to pick is part of that

522
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: endorsement thing. Yeah, how it works. Let's skip forward in

523
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: time because so far we've been sequential, sequentially, sequentially, jumping

524
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Speaker 1: one year at a time. But we're gonna skip a

525
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: couple of years forward. We're gonna go to mad and

526
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: NFL third team, which is Calvin Johnson of the Detroit Lions.

527
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: The year that he was nominated for or from, Johnson

528
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: broke records in the NFL for receiving yardage. Uh he was.

529
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Speaker 1: Actually he broke the record that Jerry Rice from the

530
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine years had had. And Rice, I

531
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: mean Rice created that record or hit the point where

532
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: he camera record and I want to say the mid nineties,

533
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: I mean it had stood for a long time. Was

534
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: not but Jerry Rice, he played it was many many,

535
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: many years. I think Rice was actually one of the

536
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Speaker 1: players they featured in the pre game or halftime presentation

537
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: of the latest Super Bowl. And that guy he you

538
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: tell he's aging, but he's still really put together. The

539
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: last time I looked, he looked great for his age

540
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: espersonally for him played ball that long. But anyway, Johnson

541
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: Um Johnson does all these great things. But once he's

542
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: featured on the cover, this team has a terrible year there,

543
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: four and twelve of that year, even though they've been

544
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: in the playoffs this season before. So terrible performance as

545
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: a franchise overall. And then we're gonna jump ahead to

546
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Madden NFL. No, it was one of This is the

547
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: one that drives me bonkers that they named it that,

548
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: But they released it in twenty thirteen, and this is

549
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: the version that was on PlayStation four and Xbox one.

550
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: It's Adrian Peterson of the Minnesota Vikings. Peterson again in

551
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: two twelve. He had had or it had had an

552
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: amazing season in twenty twelve, but then he has foot

553
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: injuries and he only manages to play about twelve over

554
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: fourteen games. Right in uh, he had he had a

555
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: great twenty twelve sucks. Yeah, that was after after Madden

556
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: had come out, after the cover had come out. The

557
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: Vikings would have a five ten and one season, so

558
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: five wins, ten losses, one draw, which I didn't even

559
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: know you could get a draw in football, So that's weird.

560
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: That means I'm guessing that it was overtime, overtime, overtime,

561
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: and the the ref set listen, I gotta go home.

562
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: I left the oven on like I gotta go But

563
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: during that season he would have a lot of horrible

564
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: personal things go on, maybe not all of it, which

565
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: he was innocent in. His two year old son would

566
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: be assaulted by the son's mother's boyfriend and that boy

567
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: would die not too long after that from the injuries.

568
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: And then, uh September twelve of two thousand and fourteen,

569
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson would be indicted in mont Gramman County, Texas

570
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: for reckless injury of his four year old son. He

571
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: was hitting him with a piece of wood like you know,

572
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Billie Club style. And there are a lot of players

573
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL who have some aggression, is serious aggression

574
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: there would know he Actually, I don't think there's nearly

575
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: as much Sterward's. I it's it's symptomatic of a lot

576
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: of other things which we that is not But he

577
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: would he would then be charged put under investigation of

578
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: abuse of yet another son. So at that point he

579
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: had three boys. Uh, the only one of them died. Yes, thankfully,

580
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: the Vikings would drop him after the sixteen season. I

581
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: was looking him up. I think that he played again.

582
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: I think he got a contract somewhere else, and I

583
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: believe he played last year. But I'm not a d

584
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: percent positive who he played four But you know, I

585
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: mean he's he's with all the legal stuff. His career

586
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: just kind of way right down into the tubes if

587
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: nobody really wants to be associated with. No, it's really

588
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: not good for a franchise to have a child beater

589
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: accused child beater. So you can just see like all

590
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: these guy eyes where we started from, you know, eight

591
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: years on, and then we've gone through a dozen of

592
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: these guys and the just horrible luck and performance and

593
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: personal stuff like it is just not going good for

594
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: any of them. Yes, exactly, it's John Madden's fault or

595
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: maybe e a sports I don't know. Yeah, every but

596
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: everybody seems to have had negative impacts from being featured

597
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: on this game, except John Madden himself, because that guy

598
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: seems to have just prospered everywhere. So that having been said,

599
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: that's our story and we should probably get into the theories. Yeah,

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00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: but first let's talk to our man on the sidelines,

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00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: who's gonna give us a word from our sponsor. They

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00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,640
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606
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,640
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607
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,960
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608
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,280
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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,920
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647
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Speaker 1: Wayne buying toilet cleaner at the store, did you, Edward

648
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: back from the replay. Yeah, So the first theory that

649
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: we have is the curses real of the money I

650
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: mean yeah, no, I mean sports people are of the

651
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: people who are superstitious in the world. I think sports

652
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: people are maybe the most No, no, no, sailors are

653
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: the worst. The sports fans are I don't know. I

654
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: mean ship people let women on board. Now they've overcome

655
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: certain superstitions. It just seems like perfect to call them

656
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: boat people. It's a derogatory turma. Actually, it's a microaggression,

657
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: devine actually. But the curses are real. You've heard of

658
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: the curse of the Billy goat, right, is just Billy

659
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: go gruff? Now Billy go rough? Okay, what are you

660
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: talking about? Uh? Yeah, I got the curse of the

661
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: Billy Goat. It was a real deal that afflicted the

662
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: Chicago Cubs for every one years. Oh, this is like

663
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: the curse of the Bambino of those sports curses. Yeah.

664
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: One of their fans, this guy who wanted the Billy

665
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: goat tavern his name was. His name was like Billy Sianna.

666
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Billy Sianna, I think. And he had at a pet

667
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: goat that he would take to the Cubs games. And

668
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: he was ejected from the fourth game of the World

669
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: Series and on his way out the door, he basically said,

670
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: the Cubs will not win again. That was his curse,

671
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: and his goat were leaving out the door, and so

672
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: the Cubs. In short, it was word. The Cubs did

673
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: not win again for seventy one years. It took him

674
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: along and a lot of fans actually, and they did

675
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff to try to lift the curse,

676
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, and it did nothing work. And finally something

677
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: happened in finally and they want he probably died or something.

678
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: Billy Sianis died in seventy The goat died. Yeah, yeah,

679
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: the goat probably forever for the Goats lineage, finally died Yeah,

680
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. Maybe the last maybe the last

681
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: original fan who was present when it was cast. Maybe

682
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: he finally died, Maybe that was the final straw could

683
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: All I know is I played football in high school

684
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: and I played with a guy who had a lucky undershirt.

685
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Which was fine. He'd wear it in practice, he'd wear

686
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: it two games, you know, it was it was his

687
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: lucky shirt. But the problem, of course, was he hadn't

688
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: wash the lucky shirt. Yeah, so stuck but smelled bad.

689
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: That was part of this strategy. People didn't want to

690
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: tack That would be a good way to do it.

691
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: And you know, the thing about about curses is that

692
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: it to be real and affect people, all that's required

693
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: is people believing in them. And while a number of

694
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: the players and the mad and NFL Curse have come

695
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: out and said they don't believe in the curse, well

696
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: clear they don't. And then you know, but then there's

697
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: been some of the ones that have dodged. What's his

698
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: name that's on that was just won the Super Bowl

699
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: again and um then this last year, I can't remember, yea,

700
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: na it was something else. Brady, It's Brady Brady. Yah,

701
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: that guy Okay, that guy is on the latest cover

702
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: and people were freaked out. But Brady was like that stupid,

703
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that, and it apparently worked for him.

704
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: Yeah he did so far. So far, We'll see what

705
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: happens next season. Three year lag time that well, it's

706
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: there's three years it can take. It can affect you,

707
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: but it affects you right away. It's not as if

708
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: it waits till the third year to strike. But what

709
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: I do find funny is the people who have dodged it.

710
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: They said, I don't believe in the curse, and then

711
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: they went about some pretty you know, they went to

712
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: get out from under it, uh, notably from the San

713
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Diego Chargers. There's the They're running back Ladinian Tomlinson, who

714
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: this guy was selected to be on the cover in

715
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and when it was announced that

716
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: they were gonna not they wanted him to be on

717
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: the cover, the San Diego fans went nuts, and not

718
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: in a good way, and the nuts in a bad

719
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: way because they did not want that to happen, and

720
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: they were terrified of what it would do to him,

721
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: to such a degree that they created a website calls

722
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: Save lt from Madden dot Com, which, by the way,

723
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: is on the way back machine. I was spinning through it.

724
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's I mean, it's a two thousand seven website.

725
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: It's something. Actually, it probably is pretty flashy. No, it's

726
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: not flashy. It's very static, but it's it's not that great,

727
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: but it's very funny. Did these guys take themselves totally seriously?

728
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Was there a bit of tongue in cheek about the

729
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: whole time? I did not get that impression. They seriously

730
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: believe that this was pretty real and they did not

731
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: want their favorite player on it. And for his own part,

732
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: Tomlinson would eventually turn down the offer of being on

733
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: the cover, but he would say it was because of

734
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: contract and negotiation issues and basically they weren't offering him

735
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: enough money, which I call convenient reasoning. Well, if it's

736
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: going to end your career you now, you might as

737
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: well get top dollar for it. But you know, the

738
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: thing is, is that another way that this curse might

739
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: actually be real? Is Joe alluded or brought this up

740
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: a little bit in the beginning of the story. Is

741
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: the fans and the fans behavior and the way they're

742
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: going about things and that is specifically by confirmation bias,

743
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: because initially e A was making the selections of who

744
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: would go on the cover, which you kind of makes sense. Vote.

745
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: Now they let the fans vote, so believe it or not.

746
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: As shocking as this is, people go on there and

747
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: they nominate for the however players they don't like that

748
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: guy on that other team that you hate so much

749
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: so that those guys can suffer the effects of the curse,

750
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: and they downvote their favorite players to help spare them

751
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: from the curse. Well, I mean another way, I guess

752
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: we could say this is real, or maybe it's confirmation

753
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: by us. Maybe it's fake. There's a there's a whole

754
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: heck of a lot of personal drama and injuries that

755
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: happened in the NFL, all by themselves without Yeah, so

756
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, if if we're saying and then three years

757
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 1: later he broke his knee and it was the curse,

758
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I tell you the curse. Sorry, it's not a great

759
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: departure from that. Yeah, but yeah it is. It is

760
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: not unheard of people to get injured in the NFL.

761
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: But that I mean, that's in a way that it

762
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: is technically real, right, but maybe not as real and

763
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: I think that's that's probably a great lead in for

764
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,919
Speaker 1: the other theory, because this is one of those day

765
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: or nay kind of stories. Well, you know, listen, I

766
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: don't think Choopy could put on a set of pads

767
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: and actually run up and down the field because he's

768
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: a little guy and those fans are kind of heavy.

769
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: But he's actually just he's just gonna let a little

770
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: air out of the football. So most farther, I don't

771
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: think that was Chupy No, No, it was probably somebody else.

772
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: So well, let's move on to this whole curse thing

773
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: is fake. So I think I talked about Yeah, I did.

774
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: I know, I talked about confirmation bias just a couple

775
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: of seconds ago. But there's another really good reason this

776
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: could be fake, and that is what is known as

777
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: regression to the mean. And regression to the mean is

778
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: a very fancy way of saying that things that are

779
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: outside of the norm, that are abnormal there, you know,

780
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: there's a spike tend to very quickly come back with

781
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: the normal expected track of things. So if there's a

782
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: runner who in a race suddenly runs ten seconds faster

783
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: in the dash than he normally did, and by the way,

784
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: it's Hussein Bolt suddenly and in the next race he

785
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: runs to his normal run. Well, that's regression to mean

786
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: his normal pace. That means things. It's what must goes

787
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: up must come back down, essentially. And usually these people

788
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: are at the peaks of their careers when they're picked,

789
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, exactly, So they're at the peak, which means

790
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: that they they just had a really really, really really

791
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: good season and we're going to feature them for it,

792
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: and then they're going to go back to normal and

793
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: it's going to appear that they are failing because they

794
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal run and now they are going back

795
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: to their normal performance levels. In football, as we said,

796
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: is such a difficult beat them up meat grinder of

797
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: a game that to push yourself that hard. I mean,

798
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: guys that run amazing yardagin throw these amazing number of

799
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: recepted passes, received passes, completely received passes. Nonetheless, they are

800
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: pushing it and they're pushing themselves physically, and they are

801
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: getting the hell beat out of it. I would I

802
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: would say also there is a certain amount of luck involved.

803
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of skill involved, but there's

804
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: a certain amount of luck involved in completing that pass

805
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: or you know, and it's not it's not just down

806
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: to wow, he threw it really well. It's also he

807
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: caught that really well. So it depends. It depends on

808
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: the other players. And that's the thing is it's conceivable

809
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: you could actually have the following it. You're great year

810
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: in the following year. Actually you're every bit is good,

811
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: but the other guys screwing up, you know, and and

812
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: and so you just like, yeah, yeah, or the other

813
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: team that you faced last year was having a bad year.

814
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: Now they're having an okay year. Suddenly you're a great

815
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: performance because it's being balanced. Yeah, Or maybe last year

816
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: you were making you're the quarterback and you're making these

817
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: kind of crappy throwers, but the guys at the other

818
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: end were talented enough they could correct and still catch

819
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: your crappy throng. And they those guys got traded off,

820
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: and now, you know, and so you're still a crappy thrower. Yeah,

821
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: there's and we thought they were the quarterback, but according

822
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: to Joe, they're the thrower. Yeah. I kind of like that.

823
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: I did the better name. Well, that's what you do,

824
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: and you're throwing the ball and the quarterback you're gonna

825
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Okay, Okay, I like it because I mean,

826
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not the quarterback, you can pass

827
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: the ball, but you can't really. So there was I know,

828
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: I sent in you guys this article. There was a

829
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: great article by I G. N where they looked at

830
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: the Madden Curse and what they did is they used

831
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: stats to try and figure out if indeed it was

832
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: a real thing. And what they did is they compared

833
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: the guys that were on the covers and their performance

834
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: prior and after that two players who were nominated as

835
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: m v P or guys that were considered top ten

836
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: players that season. What the stats showed is that the

837
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: m v P s had a sharper decline in performance

838
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: the season after they were named MVP than the guys

839
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: that were considered to be Madden Curse sufferers. So there was,

840
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: as we talked about, that whole regression to the mean

841
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: that seemed to be more pronounced. And they also looked

842
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: at things because we talked about the injuries and missing

843
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: games and that kind of stuff. They looked at, Okay, well,

844
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: m VPS, Madden Curse guys, and top ten players, what

845
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: is the average number of games missed than the following season,

846
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: and it turns out the the Madden cover players were

847
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: actually missing fewer games than the other two test groups,

848
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: so it really, yeah, no, not at all. So it

849
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: does seem to be this every you're picked when you're

850
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: at your peak, and it's just it's so hard to

851
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: maintain that level of performance that everybody says you're there's

852
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Speaker 1: something causing that, some extraneous force that's causing you to

853
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: not play as well, when in reality you're just kind

854
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: of human. Yeah, you're normal human beings, exactly right. You're

855
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: a year older, yeah, and yeah, and professional sports a

856
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: years a year and age is a huge deal, and

857
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: it can be all those injuries pile up to the

858
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Speaker 1: years that are in their mid to late thirties and

859
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: mid forties. You don't see a whole lot of those

860
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: dudes in it all. And there's a good reason for it,

861
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: because it it's a young man's game and it beats

862
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: him up and spits them out. And you know, the

863
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: funny thing is about the Madden curses, it's not the

864
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: only cursed out there for the NFL. So there there

865
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: was for a long time, there was the Sports Illustrated

866
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: cover that and it's not the swimsuit issue. Yeah, there's

867
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Speaker 1: the Campbell Soup curse because they were doing they used

868
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Speaker 1: to put players on the labels and then for a

869
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: while it was Campbell Chunky Sup. They have them advertised,

870
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: they would have them in commercials. Yeah, and they have

871
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: their moms on and stuff. They were really funny. But

872
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: these guys also seemed to perform poorly after that, So

873
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: it appears that it's the same thing. When you're at

874
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Speaker 1: the top, they pick you, and then once they pick you,

875
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Speaker 1: you go back to normal, which is why I'm glad

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00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: that we've never get picked up on television, because then

877
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Speaker 1: we would just would just vall apart all yeah next

878
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: week one. That's why we turned down The cover of

879
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: People magazine is yeah, the World's Sexiest podcast. People Magazine?

880
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: Is that that magazine that just got some people. It's

881
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: the Guy down the Street. That is a zine that

882
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Speaker 1: the Take down the Road makes. That's the one about

883
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Speaker 1: the British royal family and a few movie stars. Okay, well,

884
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad to know that. Okay, okay, um. So personally,

885
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I am of the opinion that while it seems compelling

886
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: on the outside and fun and easy on the outside.

887
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: I really think the whole thing it's just it's not

888
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: it is just just stat I think this is an

889
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: excellent example of causing or correlation does not equal causation exactly,

890
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: or maybe it's the other way around, whichever one it is.

891
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: That you know, just because the stats reflect something doesn't

892
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: mean that that it is the cause of those stats,

893
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: right when, especially in the short term, and you don't

894
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: look at the greater everything else all at once. Yeah,

895
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: on board of that idea, Joe, every but so yeah

896
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: and welve that I think that we have saw this. Okay,

897
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 1: football players, stop obsessing about it. Go ahead and vote

898
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: for your favorite player to be on that to be

899
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: on the because he'll make some money. It won't destroy

900
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: his career hopefully probably the illicit dog fighting or you know,

901
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: yeah that don't don't do that. That will probably no

902
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Speaker 1: dog fighting, no house boats with lots of ladies that

903
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: are in various states of undress. Don't do that, guys,

904
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: that's bad. Just be like a decent human. Yeah, try that,

905
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: Try it out for a while. Seeah, it works works

906
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: out better for you. Okay, Well that is going to

907
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Speaker 1: be the end of this particular episode. This episode as

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928
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Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, I

929
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931
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961
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964
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966
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