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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you

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Speaker 2: a Charlotte? Hi?

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Speaker 1: Hi?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm great? How are you? You know?

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Speaker 3: Pretty good?

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Speaker 2: I mean hanging in there, rolling with it, you know,

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Speaker 2: looking back.

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Speaker 3: It's super interesting.

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Speaker 2: And this is partly what I was thinking about with

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Speaker 2: your book as well, because obviously, I mean, we're here

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Speaker 2: to talk about the show.

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Speaker 3: We will talk about the show.

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Speaker 2: But I love that people that I grew up with

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Speaker 2: watching like yourself and also have gotten to meet over

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Speaker 2: the years and admired, are now writing about their lives

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Speaker 2: in such an interesting way of like all the changes

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Speaker 2: that have happened culturally, and how you've kind of been

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Speaker 2: right there for a lot of it. And I think

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Speaker 2: it's such a gift. And how was the experience of

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Speaker 2: looking back, you know?

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Speaker 1: It was? It was a really interesting experience. I have

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Speaker 1: kept journals for the past, like fifty years, smart and

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's just drawings on the pages. Sometimes it's things

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Speaker 1: that I glue in there, you know, souvenirs, ticket stubs

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Speaker 1: and leaves and whatever. But then it really guided me

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Speaker 1: for the book because I came across the journals and

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Speaker 1: I started reading, going wow, you know, I really have

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Speaker 1: had a lot of adventures, and whenever I tell my

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Speaker 1: adventure stories, people always say, you got to write a book.

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Speaker 1: So I started writing the book, and I quickly discovered

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Speaker 1: that some chapters I really didn't want to write about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, those are the chapters I think that

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Speaker 1: my publishers were most interested. Of course, you know, I

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Speaker 1: love the daring do adventures and all of that, but

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Speaker 1: they're like, no, to know, people will relate because people

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Speaker 1: go through divorces and people go through all of that,

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Speaker 1: and it has to be relatable. And if you're going

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Speaker 1: to give the fun adventures and some of the stuff

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Speaker 1: that modeling has afforded me, you know, you also have

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Speaker 1: to say it's not always only the good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Life is a series of moments, and if you're going

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Speaker 1: to write a book, you kind of have to give

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Speaker 1: the good and the bad, you know, the beautiful, the ugly,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, worts and all.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, this is life, this is like and

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Speaker 2: it's life, whether you might be one of the most

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think that's also just such a really fascinating and

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Speaker 2: powerful thing.

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Speaker 3: But I also feel.

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Speaker 2: What I take from it is that you know, you

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Speaker 2: have been through so much and yet you still do

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Speaker 2: have this kind of beautiful, hopeful, you know, love of

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Speaker 2: adventure and openness, and that's what I admire so much.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's a gift.

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Speaker 1: That's something that that I admire in your character.

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Speaker 3: It's very related, really, it really is.

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Speaker 2: I don't even really have to ask you if you're

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Speaker 2: Charlotte because I kind of think I know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, my daughters, my daughters and

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Speaker 1: I have this on twenty four to seven. I know.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like comfort food, you know, a world

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Speaker 1: so crazy. Yeah, we can put on an episode of

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Speaker 1: Sex in the City and the music wakes up and

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Speaker 1: then it's like being with all friends. Yeah, it really

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Speaker 1: is something that we really enjoy together. And we're always saying,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think I'm, I think I'm This

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Speaker 1: summer that you know, just does it shake your mind? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: staying you know, I think I've been a little bit

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Speaker 1: of everybody. Oh you know. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well we'll get to maybe more of that later

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Speaker 2: as we go through the episode. That's an interesting answer,

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Speaker 2: Chris Dad would not would have one. I would have

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Speaker 2: anticipated you saying, very interesting, Okay, I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it. I feel like too.

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Speaker 2: It's It's one of those things for me where I

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, and I hadn't seen the

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't really watch them on HBO at the

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Speaker 2: and enjoying everyone else saying, you know, but this is

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Speaker 2: because so many people are now seeing it from Netflix

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Speaker 1: Just said, people watching it with their kids.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which you know, yeah, mind boggling, mind boggling, Like

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Speaker 2: But I love to hear the different generations and their

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Speaker 2: which plot points or stories or themes still resonate. It's

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Speaker 2: super fascinating, but it is such a it's very kind

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Speaker 2: And there's parts of this particular episode, and I should

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Speaker 2: tell everyone we are rewatching the episode. It is two

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Speaker 2: is The Man, the Myth the Viagra, a very mysterious

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Speaker 2: and loaded title, and it is directed by Victoria Hawkberg

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Speaker 2: and written by Michael Patrick King. And this one would

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Speaker 2: the last one that we watched was The Chicken Dance,

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Speaker 2: them both simultaneously. And sometimes I find that I remember

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Speaker 2: one plot more than the other plot, you know, because

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Speaker 2: up all night and you know, semi delirious. So let

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Speaker 2: me ask you too, I'd love to hear like when

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Speaker 2: have been. You know, ninety seven is the pilot ninety eight?

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Speaker 2: Where were you were you watching? What were your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, also I just have to mention, you know

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Speaker 1: the scene where mister Big sings, Yes, so I love that.

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Speaker 1: I just love that scene. But I think that that

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Speaker 2: That's a good one. It is one of those things

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Speaker 3: But I think that, in particular.

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Speaker 1: Really do do the singing, and I bet he really

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Speaker 2: Regular yes, yes, yes, yes, which is incredible.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so where you were in New York.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, Sailor was born in ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, amazing, amazing, that's what you were doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so ninety seven, I was actually just fresh out

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Speaker 2: Was yeah, right, A lot going on, A lot going

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: And when do you ever remember did you already have

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Speaker 2: I understand, totally, totally, totally. I'm just wondering, like, were

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Speaker 2: So you're relatively recent interesting, So you have met all

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Speaker 3: Like that for me, I remember.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then it wouldn't have you know, been an issue.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. Do you still follow Candace Bushnel? Candace who

441
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: you know, Origina And she lives out out of the

442
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: beach too, And I had her on and she had

443
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: so many facts and figures about you know, she's still

444
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: carry obviously like doing her work right, So she had

445
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: numbers she could tell you, like, you know, women over

446
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: fifty or this amount of dating and women over sixty.

447
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: And then she wrote this whole article about being on

448
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: Riah and being you know, is she's.

449
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Speaker 1: Dating in the Hampton's.

450
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Speaker 3: Yes, it was so good but also so terrifying.

451
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it was fascinating because the men, you know,

452
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: like there's kind of this really extreme dichotomy between the

453
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: men who are the same age and the women who

454
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: are the same age. And the women look fantastic, Yeah,

455
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: yet the men who are that age. Don't want those women?

456
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what are we going to do?

457
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's very I'm not on any

458
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: kind of dating app like that. But my daughter's Sailor.

459
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: She's so mischievous. She created she wanted to see what

460
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: kind of guys and she put like for like an

461
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: hour something. She put me up there with a name,

462
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: and she said, Mom, you're right not to go on

463
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: it because the same guys that you know said yes

464
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: to me, saying yes to you like it was no.

465
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I love this experiment.

466
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, smart Sailor, that is a really fascinating, fascinating

467
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: little experiment. I'm kind of scared and awed by the

468
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: whole situation that that has kind of evolved in the

469
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: dating world, and I don't I don't understand it, but

470
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: I would like to understand it better.

471
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: But not for me just in general. I think, like

472
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: culturally it's really fascinating.

473
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: But I have incredibly beautiful friends who are on there,

474
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: and they're over fifty and nobody and these are incredible

475
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: women who own their own houses.

476
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: And have these incredible careers and travel the.

477
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: World and like, to me, all the things that I

478
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: ever wanted to be you know, everything, Like their kids

479
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: are grown, they're you know, they have accomplished so much,

480
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: yet the men their age are absolutely not looking for them.

481
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, how can we still be at this place?

482
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I think that what I find that what men like

483
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: to do is sort of be able to find somebody

484
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: that's very oh, that'll be impressed by every little thing

485
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: that they do, like, oh really, oh, you're taking me

486
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: to that restaurant.

487
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: I love your imitation. That's great and perfect.

488
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: And I do think I think there are a lot

489
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: of elements of this that are still true and that

490
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: would have been true when we originally were making the show,

491
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 2: you know, so like that's one of the things that

492
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: I also think is interesting about Samantha with that man.

493
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: That guy is so charming, you know, like as an actor,

494
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: he's so like his energy is so alive and interesting

495
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: that I can completely see why Samantha in that scene

496
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: would think like, oh, yes, maybe because obviously we know

497
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: her to be going out with younger men largely right,

498
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: or her own age or whatever like whomever. Right, But

499
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: he's got like a very vivacious kind of you know,

500
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: energetics and fun and funny and all the things. And

501
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: then he's giving her all the diamonds at dinner, which

502
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: is like kind of bizarre.

503
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 3: Do you remember this? There are his like very face.

504
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 2: A dining room with the napkin and yes, the unrolling

505
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: of the napkins. It's a lot, man, it's a lot.

506
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been like through something like this in

507
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: your life. I have never experienced something like that.

508
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: For those who tuned in late, it's not mine a job.

509
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: It looks like yours.

510
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: It suits you, It suits you beautifully. It's beautiful. The

511
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: thing that I would think about with their scene though,

512
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: when they do, because you are kind of led to

513
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: believe like this might work, you know. I mean, I

514
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: also think it's a little interesting that Samantha would even

515
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: want to be married to anyone for ten years. Like

516
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: they talk about, oh, he's not going to last that long.

517
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: He even says to herself, like, you know, I'm probably

518
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: not gonna be around ten, ten, fifteen years.

519
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't.

520
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: I've never heard Samantha ever say that she wanted to

521
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: get married, right, but it seems interesting that she's open

522
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: to it. And then when they do finally, after all

523
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: the diamonds go to the bedroom. I believe that the

524
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: voiceover from Carrie is something to the effect of, you know,

525
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: when he touched her, it was like a younger man.

526
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: When he kissed her, it was like a younger man.

527
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: All of the.

528
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: Parts were working like a younger man.

529
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: So you're really feeling like it's great, right, yes, and

530
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 2: then he walks away, which is so sad.

531
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: I think though, because she asked to dim the lights.

532
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she maybe suspected that that might be the case.

533
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: You're so right, because she was like, let's turn off

534
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: those lights.

535
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: You're so right, Yes, yes, I like.

536
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: It better, something to the effect of it's sexier.

537
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: I think she says it's sexier. Yes, that's so true.

538
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: That's so true.

539
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: But then it's so.

540
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: Interesting to me that like it is very it's a

541
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: very superficial thing really, which is what you're saying that

542
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: everything feels great. Rate Like, if it feels great and

543
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: you enjoy him, isn't that enough.

544
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one thing. It made me run

545
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: to the mirror.

546
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure you look amazing. Oh my god, I don't know.

547
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Can I see that?

548
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 3: You're adorable? You're adorable? Listen.

549
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: I think that the standards that women are held to

550
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: in terms of working out. We're fed this At least

551
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm fed this continual thing about my

552
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 2: bone density and keeping my muscle mass.

553
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, we have to keep it going.

554
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

555
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: Think we have the luxury of being like I'll just

556
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: let it do whatever it's going to do back there.

557
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: Right now, it's her.

558
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Own well being. And you know they say that that

559
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: the key is not to have to live to be

560
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty, but to be healthy. Yeah, every

561
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: day until the day you just you know, fall asleep

562
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: and don't wake up peace.

563
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's the dream, right. Yeah, it's all about health.

564
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: Like vigorous and healthy right to the end.

565
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely active.

566
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: You have to be active and keep it going, keep

567
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: it moving, get out there in the world, all of

568
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: those things for your brain as well.

569
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: I know.

570
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: It's super interesting.

571
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: I think how we talk about aging now as opposed

572
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: to when we were younger. I think it's coming along,

573
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: but I do think between the sexes there is still

574
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: this kind of massive gap.

575
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: Yes,