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Speaker 1: not into the Bidens, but into John Carey, specifically with

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Speaker 1: Oversight and Accountability Committee Chairman James Comer announced today that

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Speaker 1: from his office specifically seeking information from the Special Presidential

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Speaker 1: Envoy for Climate the Biden administration. Now this letter it

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Speaker 1: comes after James Comber previously requested access to documents related

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Speaker 1: receive any materials from Kerry. This, according to the Committee

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Speaker 1: chairman quote, to date, you referring to Kerry, have failed

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Speaker 1: of climate advocacy. The Committee request documents and information, he

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Speaker 1: As a member of the President's cabinet, you should be

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Speaker 1: the previous Congress. Those requests were denied by Carry, according

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Speaker 1: to James Comer, saying, quote, your office continues to ignore

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Speaker 1: us to know this, and also you're staffing now. As

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Speaker 1: Special Envoy's budget from the last three fiscal years, as

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Speaker 1: The American taxpayers deserve to have this. And John Kerry again,

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Speaker 1: The SPC office is also housed at the State Department,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a terrible outcome. There's a

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Speaker 1: And so that balance can change. You know, I can

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Speaker 1: And she was sentenced to receive a hundred lashes and

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Speaker 1: it was evil, it was indefensible. I spoke out on

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Speaker 1: do it. He would not say her name, Samantha Power,

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Speaker 1: But ultimately there was enough heat and light and attention

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Speaker 1: public attention can be very helpful. There are other times

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Speaker 1: clear from this conversation that I had with Center Tech

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Speaker 1: Cruiz on his podcast verdict that I get the honor

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