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Speaker 4: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: I loved it too. This was wild. It was jam packed.
Speaker 3: This is maybe the first time that we've done a
Speaker 3: podcast where I'm concerned we might not have enough time
Speaker 3: to get to everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was packed. This episode was wild.
Speaker 4: I mean, I loved it. I freing loved this episode.
Speaker 4: And you know that's hard for me to say because
Speaker 4: Valdemore wrote it and directed it, and so it is
Speaker 4: worth noting that sometimes someone who's truly awful can make
Speaker 4: fantastic things, and this episode is one of them. It's
Speaker 4: a fucking bop man. I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really did too, every second.
Speaker 5: Every second, and I mean talk about starting on a
Speaker 5: high note, opening on Jackson singing our theme song and
Speaker 5: then realizing he's singing with Gavin de Gras.
Speaker 3: I die. My heart exploded and fell onto the floor.
Speaker 3: It was a great setup for how the whole episode
Speaker 3: was was gonna go. There was something a little avant
Speaker 3: garde about everything. The fact that that was a completely
Speaker 3: out of time, out of space moment. Gavin and Jamie
Speaker 3: are never going to meet. That's not a thing that's
Speaker 3: ever gonna happen in the universe of One Tree Hill.
Speaker 3: Gavin's not even like a character on our show. Yes,
Speaker 3: betting it up with my setting it up with that
Speaker 3: combination that was just had nothing to do with any storyline,
Speaker 3: but felt so dropped into the heart of our show immediately.
Speaker 5: It was so sweet.
Speaker 3: And then into Luke and the bar with the cut
Speaker 3: cut cut cut, Yeah, and even Joe the Dog.
Speaker 4: You know, we just celebrated our twentieth anniversary, and of
Speaker 4: all of the retrospectives that were written about our show,
Speaker 4: the one you know that was in like variety was
Speaker 4: the craziest things that happened on One Tree Hill. Like
Speaker 4: everybody else when their show hits a milestone, gets love letters,
Speaker 4: and we get you know, the can you believe they
Speaker 4: did this? And for me, we got made fun of
Speaker 4: so much over the tenure of our show, whether it
Speaker 4: was On The Soup or any other show, or like
Speaker 4: other shows picking on us, we were always the one
Speaker 4: that was picked on, and so at a certain point
Speaker 4: we just started owning it. And I love this surrealist
Speaker 4: scene where to your point, like like Jamie's never gonna
Speaker 4: hang out by himself in the red bedroom record studio
Speaker 4: space and hang out with this like traveling musician. We
Speaker 4: just kind of threw our hands up at this points
Speaker 4: the end of season five and we're like, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna do whatever we like. Bye, and thank god for
Speaker 4: those of you at home that came along for the ride,
Speaker 4: and we're in on the joke, like, thank you guys
Speaker 4: for supporting it, because you know, we felt not necessarily
Speaker 4: supported by the media, but supported by our fans, and
Speaker 4: obviously that has longer staying power.
Speaker 3: Clearly, Yeah, you guys are the best. This is It's
Speaker 3: an amazing ride. I did not know that was Joe
Speaker 3: the Dog. I thought it was a goat.
Speaker 4: What time joy? We lived with that dog in base
Speaker 4: camp for a year.
Speaker 3: I don't know what. I just saw it and my
Speaker 3: brain said, why iSER a goat in a bar? I
Speaker 3: just was like, Hey, it's fitting great, let's keep going.
Speaker 4: That drunk montage was perfect. It was just very funny, perfect,
Speaker 4: how fun for Chad. He was wonderful in this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I his acting kind of went to another level
Speaker 3: this season. I don't know if I know he was
Speaker 3: taking classes in LA I think he went to Larry
Speaker 3: Moss for a while, and I don't know if that
Speaker 3: was before or after whatever, but I remember him talking
Speaker 3: about that, and I just feel like there was something
Speaker 3: showing up, like he was dropped into his body a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot more than I had seen even before. He
Speaker 3: was great in this really still like this is not
Speaker 3: an energy I feel like I'm used to from Lucas anyway.
Speaker 4: It's crazy how similar he is to like Keith in
Speaker 4: this episode, right, except everywhere that Keith zigged, Lucas is
Speaker 4: gonna zag. And Yeah, seeing him in the moment making
Speaker 4: choices was interesting.
Speaker 5: I feel like they also gave him material that like
Speaker 5: felt a little more real and human, like everything Lucas
Speaker 5: has been going through. He's less of an archetype of
Speaker 5: you know, the poet, the hero, and he's a guy.
Speaker 5: He's a guy who's struggling. And I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 5: to your point, Joy, it's like you get to see him,
Speaker 5: You see Chad as an actor having things to bring in,
Speaker 5: and like even the montage that they shot of him
Speaker 5: at the bar, he looks like himself. He doesn't look
Speaker 5: like he's playing another person. Yeah, you know, like he's
Speaker 5: wearing his own hat and his own sunglasses and like
Speaker 5: it's like funny, it feels really.
Speaker 4: Real, own dog, his own dog. Like I don't know,
Speaker 4: people at home might not know who Joe is.
Speaker 3: Ah, Joe good point, epic dog. He was our mascot.
Speaker 3: He was like our trailer mascot.
Speaker 4: Joe was a really good dog, really good dog. And
Speaker 4: I think that's how I met Chad. It was like
Speaker 4: who has a dog run around base camp? Oh it's
Speaker 4: this guy, you know. Yeah, that was his bait when
Speaker 4: he was talking to chicks like, oh if you met
Speaker 4: my dog? I Yeah. There was so much of There
Speaker 4: were so many Easter eggs in this episode, like Joe
Speaker 4: like members of our crew popping up. I just felt
Speaker 4: like it was a yearbook, Like it just feels warm
Speaker 4: and fuzzy, like the end of the school year.
Speaker 3: That's great, it was totally a yearbook. Yes, seeing our
Speaker 3: crew in the scenes with mouth in the end, I
Speaker 3: feel like there were always crew jumping in as extras
Speaker 3: in the hospital scenes, whenever people are walking around.
Speaker 5: It's exactly that we're so used to seeing people passing by,
Speaker 5: But there was something even about like Scott Hardwick and
Speaker 5: Jim Nelson being in the news station like they felt
Speaker 5: like characters. They had things to do, they weren't just
Speaker 5: walking by in the background filling in and it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: everything does feel a little surrealist. Gavin and Jackson and
Speaker 5: all of those people and Joe and all. I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's like we brought some things in because we just
Speaker 5: wanted to.
Speaker 3: I guess it was like the River Court, Nathan Lucas
Speaker 3: and Hayley about, you know, getting more of that best
Speaker 3: friend energy. The rooftop again. Yeah, we saw the water balloons. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the water balloons. I mean, oh my gosh, okay, do
Speaker 3: should we go in order?
Speaker 4: Or let's go in order? Guys. It's so much we're
Speaker 4: never gonna fit it in.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you guys, we haven't even given people
Speaker 5: the synopsis.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, we're keeping to do this. Okay, Sophia,
Speaker 3: you've been out, so you read the synopsis. Okay, okay.
Speaker 5: Episode five eighteen, What Comes After the Blues originally aired
Speaker 5: May nineteenth, two thousand and eight. Angie is heading back
Speaker 5: to her family, which obviously liaves Brooke devastated. Lucas deals
Speaker 5: with the fallout of his actions following his Game night scuffle.
Speaker 5: Haley has a musical breakthrough, and Peyton is reeling from
Speaker 5: the blow of Lucas saying that he hates her. Nathan
Speaker 5: and Jamie their fears together. It's not written into the synopsis,
Speaker 5: but also Mouth and Milly have such good stuff in
Speaker 5: this episode. Mouth struggling with the blowback of being a
Speaker 5: human and Milly being such an incredibly supportive partner. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: and like Dan's waiting on a heart. This is a
Speaker 5: very short synopsis. This feels weird, but there's a lot
Speaker 5: for us to talk about.
Speaker 3: Clearly.
Speaker 4: I mean, this whole episode could have been a whole
Speaker 4: season of a show today, Like normally we do like
Speaker 4: six to eight episodes Now this whole episode could have
Speaker 4: been six to eight episode.
Speaker 3: They just stretched it all out. Yeah. I was obsessed
Speaker 3: with this opening montage, not just chat at the bar drinking,
Speaker 3: but the girl scouts the water balloon, the table with
Speaker 3: the old men playing chess, Milly walking through the street
Speaker 3: with her high heels and the balloons just missing her
Speaker 3: and she just keeps plowing through. It was so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was precision Mantai. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Peyton on the roof girl.
Speaker 4: I had no idea when we were watching the balloons
Speaker 4: that it was Peyton. You did time. I'm thinking it
Speaker 4: was like Shamie or like Luke It. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 4: it was like somebody else.
Speaker 5: I thought he was up there drowning his feelings, taking chops,
Speaker 5: throwing water balloons.
Speaker 3: People, and it was and hates everyone.
Speaker 4: Oh listen, at least she's not self sabotaging anymore. Now,
Speaker 4: she's just community sabotaging, which feels like a healthy evolution.
Speaker 3: But it's like with bubbles like this. Yeah, the most innocent.
Speaker 3: I wrote this on her version of being angry and angsty.
Speaker 3: But it's so innocent. It's the it's the I'm not
Speaker 3: actually trying to hurt anybody. I just am mad and
Speaker 3: this is a safe way for me to take it
Speaker 3: out on everyone, which feels nice after everything we've walked
Speaker 3: through with Peyton over the years and seen her in
Speaker 3: a genuinely dark places.
Speaker 4: It's the true definition of emo. It's like, I'm mad,
Speaker 4: but I'm harmless. I just I remember filming everything but
Speaker 4: the water balloons. You guys, like all the stuff with
Speaker 4: us in the recording studio, I totally remember. I remember
Speaker 4: all the stuff with Chad, like all of that like
Speaker 4: it was yesterday, And somehow the water balloons escaped me.
Speaker 4: And that was one of my favorite parts of this episode.
Speaker 4: They were aggressive throws, were how.
Speaker 3: Are you going to attack a bunch of girl scouts? Honestly,
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: Ess.
Speaker 5: I just thought the whole montage was so so good,
Speaker 5: and the slow mo is used so effectively in this episode,
Speaker 5: like all those sweet little girl scouts getting hit with
Speaker 5: those balloons. And then later if we fast forward when
Speaker 5: when Jamie's in his little water wings, like there's something
Speaker 5: about these these moments happening in slow motion. I don't know,
Speaker 5: I've really really liked it.
Speaker 4: The girl scout uniform is even a call back to
Speaker 4: season one when Tim and Nathan do the Little Girl
Speaker 4: Scout dare Knight Challenge. You know, was that one or two?
Speaker 4: So many little easter eggs, Let's see.
Speaker 3: If we can find them all.
Speaker 4: The fans are gonna know if we miss some, they're
Speaker 4: gonna be like guys.
Speaker 5: Seeing things the whole way the montage went. I loved
Speaker 5: that they let that whole song play out and really
Speaker 5: let us catch up without having to hear anything but music,
Speaker 5: Like even Debin Skills right, the soundtrack in this episode
Speaker 5: was so good. Deben Skills being on the sneak, you
Speaker 5: know you said it. Millie walking through the water ballons unfazed,
Speaker 5: like that gave me When I was thinking it was Lucas,
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, he must have been up there
Speaker 5: for days. Like she just doesn't even care at this point,
Speaker 5: She's used to walking into work to this. And Lisa
Speaker 5: just looks so good in that scene. She has this
Speaker 5: like hilarious confidence about her her her physicality is like
Speaker 5: simultaneously very elegant and very funny. And then you have
Speaker 5: that cut talk about physicality to James, like double dribbling
Speaker 5: two basketballs through the gym, Hillary, are you okay?
Speaker 4: No, sports, I listen, We're gonna get to the sports
Speaker 4: of it all, okay, because that was beyond sports. That
Speaker 4: was like a spiritual experience seeing him dribble two basketballs
Speaker 4: at the same time. What in the hell we had
Speaker 4: like big Wes Anderson energy.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh good call, Yes, yes, loved it.
Speaker 5: Lisa needs to be in a Wes Anderson movie.
Speaker 4: She's just so plucky.
Speaker 5: And then I love that it comes out of the
Speaker 5: music on Jamie looking at Lucas saying I think you
Speaker 5: drink too much, and then.
Speaker 4: The reveal, which is a great call back to him
Speaker 4: saying it to his dad at the beginning of the seasons.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that tick egg.
Speaker 3: It is so good. I think you drink too much.
Speaker 3: And the mohawk. The mohawk is memory so funny.
Speaker 4: What was that about. Did Chad just want to cut
Speaker 4: his hair? Like?
Speaker 3: It must have been right? But I mean at that
Speaker 3: point we were all like having to ask permission for
Speaker 3: every little thing, so I think, yeah, yeah, he probably
Speaker 3: wanted to cut his hair, right.
Speaker 4: I think he looked great. I loved the haircut.
Speaker 3: I never shaved anybody's head before. That was my first,
Speaker 3: really someone's head. Yeah, it was really nervous.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 5: Well and on.
Speaker 4: Camera, you know, one take, baby, one take.
Speaker 3: It was fun though.
Speaker 5: That was a sweet scene between you guys.
Speaker 3: I like the quotes. We have lots of quotes in
Speaker 3: this episode too, and well, I think if we go
Speaker 3: in order, then the first one here is Nathan saying
Speaker 3: the darkness doesn't have any answers. Luke. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: that was that was really nice. It also felt like
Speaker 3: a bit of a callback to season one when we
Speaker 3: were there were all these sort of epic poetic quotes
Speaker 3: throughout this throughout the season, Yeah, and they gradually got
Speaker 3: less and less. Is that we just had more storylines
Speaker 3: and more people to fill. But I liked there's a
Speaker 3: few really good ones in here.
Speaker 4: Well. I felt the ghost of Keith all over this episode,
Speaker 4: and that is absolutely that something something that Keith would
Speaker 4: have said to Lucas, like leaning over the hood of
Speaker 4: a car, right, just the darkness doesn't have any answers.
Speaker 4: And to see Lucas in the very same position that
Speaker 4: Keith was in when he got totally humiliated stood about
Speaker 4: the at the altar, you know, and the chick didn't
Speaker 4: want him back. And now he's making a mess of
Speaker 4: his life and he's drinking like his uncle Keith. And
Speaker 4: you know who's going to pull you out of that hole.
Speaker 4: So I love that it was Nathan. I love that
Speaker 4: Nathan and Haley are the friends. You know that Karen
Speaker 4: was to Keith when he was in that situation. It's
Speaker 4: a nice little generational recall.
Speaker 3: I think you're right about the ghost of Keith be
Speaker 3: all over it, because that is why Dan is so
Speaker 3: insane legitimately, and he's gone insane. He's crossed over into
Speaker 3: total like cloud cuckoo land, and everything that he's saying
Speaker 3: is the way he's talking to this guy, holding up
Speaker 3: a card that the guy can't see. He's like shaking
Speaker 3: his head up and down. He's interacting with this person
Speaker 3: as though they're awake. I mean, Paul really commits to it.
Speaker 3: But it's there's nothing normal about this behavior at all.
Speaker 3: But it's all stemming from the moment that he killed
Speaker 3: his brother, and it's like, oh, could he kill again?
Speaker 3: Is he going to do something else again? He's just
Speaker 3: trying to find redemption, trying to find his way, and
Speaker 3: it's all coming from Keith, from what happened with Keith. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is the umbrella over the episode. I think you're right.
Speaker 5: Well, and it'sn't it interesting if you think about it
Speaker 5: that way? We feel his presence and Dan is really
Speaker 5: driven mad by his absence, and it's such an interesting
Speaker 5: thing how someone can be gone but still so much
Speaker 5: a part of your life.
Speaker 4: Dan's dealing with like the telltale heart right now, like
Speaker 4: he is losing his marvels. And I I was watching
Speaker 4: this episode when Dan is all like, come on, pastor,
Speaker 4: just die and also die and then it would be
Speaker 4: cool if you would die. It's just this like emotional
Speaker 4: rollercoaster that Dan's doing, And all I could think is,
Speaker 4: I bet Sarah Paulson would do a really good job
Speaker 4: playing Dan Scott. Like in my head, I was like,
Speaker 4: who else can do this? Betch stuff? I just want
Speaker 4: to see other actors get to do that like crazy thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so up and down, and you're right,
Speaker 4: Paul committed, which was a lesson he taught us all
Speaker 4: the time. Ye like, don't have asset, get in there
Speaker 4: and make it real.
Speaker 3: Well, you have to when you're it's sodiculous. Why is
Speaker 3: a hospital allowing number two on the heart transplant list
Speaker 3: to be alone in the room with number one.
Speaker 4: Dude, it's a conflict of interest, Sophia, What are the
Speaker 4: real rules in a hospital? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Go yeah. By the way, none of any of this
Speaker 5: is based in any semblance of reality. Also, you would
Speaker 5: never know who else was on the list, Like it's
Speaker 5: such a violation of someone's Hippa writes, you can't. It's
Speaker 5: so crazy to be like, oh, yeah, well that guys
Speaker 5: want ahead of you, like they.
Speaker 4: Would never you should trip him. Yeah, yeah, it's insanity.
Speaker 4: I really like it. I mean they straight up handed
Speaker 4: that man a pillow there, like, yeah, do you want
Speaker 4: to make the reverend more comfortable? Good on that actor
Speaker 4: for keeping a straight face.
Speaker 3: I really wanted him to open his eyes. I kept
Speaker 3: wanting him to just open his eyes.
Speaker 4: If he could just open one eye just a little,
Speaker 4: like side for dan, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Like excuse me, hello?
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then where's the reverend's real congregation and real family.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine them coming in being like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He's a reverend of what the hell kind of a
Speaker 3: congregation and family? They don't They never show up. No
Speaker 3: one shows up.
Speaker 5: Also, all I could think was that that the woman
Speaker 5: playing the nurse who.
Speaker 3: Was acting with Paul.
Speaker 5: I was like, guys, come on, nurses know everything that's
Speaker 5: going down at the hospital. There is no way this
Speaker 5: woman would be like, oh, you want to adjust his head,
Speaker 5: here's a pillow, like please.
Speaker 4: Well, we had Brooke and baby Angie set up for
Speaker 4: a dream day at the beach and by the way,
Speaker 4: you love either way can bless for spectaculars.
Speaker 5: I can see the discomfort on my face when I
Speaker 5: have to walk out, just being like, I gotta do
Speaker 5: this scene with a baby in my underwear.
Speaker 4: They were like, you know how we can get Sophia naked,
Speaker 4: give her a baby, make it seem wholesome.
Speaker 5: She's taking a baby to the beach.
Speaker 4: Here we go, who takes a baby that has like
Speaker 4: a wound from heart surgery to the beach or there's
Speaker 4: like saying sand under.
Speaker 5: So stupid.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 4: We're trying to avoid infection. Let's take her to the beach.
Speaker 3: The like pure.
Speaker 5: Humor of them just being like we don't know what
Speaker 5: to do with her. We're gonna make her say she's
Speaker 5: gonna ask Lucas to give her a baby.
Speaker 3: Then we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Realize that didn't go well and pretend we never said it.
Speaker 5: Then then we're gonna make it very clear that she's
Speaker 5: trying to help Peyton get Lucas back. But it's the
Speaker 5: end of the season and it'll be way more dramatic
Speaker 5: if people wonder if he's calling one of three women
Speaker 5: instead of one to two.
Speaker 3: So let's throw a books name.
Speaker 5: Back in the ring, Like like j W come early
Speaker 5: in the episode and you're like, who whatever it is?
Speaker 3: Luke?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 3: Is it Lindsay?
Speaker 4: Is it Peyton?
Speaker 3: Is it Brooke?
Speaker 4: I went what what?
Speaker 3: Brook's not involved in any of this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, every time they try to involve no, nobody likes it,
Speaker 5: and then we stop. And then every time there's something
Speaker 5: where they think they need more drama, I'm in and
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is this.
Speaker 3: We're in, We're out, We're in, We're out. It's I
Speaker 3: have whiplash. Yes, yes, I know Brook's not going to
Speaker 3: Vegas to get married to Lucas, but I wouldn't put
Speaker 3: it past him in that moment to call call her
Speaker 3: be like you know what, Look, it's just not working
Speaker 3: out for either of us anywhere. Why don't we just
Speaker 3: get together.
Speaker 4: Let's just go guys, we all made those packs. We
Speaker 4: all made those packs when I was writing my book,
Speaker 4: I went through all my old journals, right, and I
Speaker 4: found a contract that I had with some dude where
Speaker 4: if we weren't married by the time we were like
Speaker 4: thirty or thirty five, we stated that we were going
Speaker 4: to marry each other. And my signature's on this thing
Speaker 4: and some dude's signatures on this thing, and for the
Speaker 4: life of me, I don't know who it is. I
Speaker 4: cannot discipher the same. But that's something that like that
Speaker 4: we would do with our guy friends. Is be like,
Speaker 4: is it from that movie that Julia Roberts movie, My
Speaker 4: best Friend's Wedding? Yes, y'all. I need somebody to come
Speaker 4: read this signature and tell me who it was, because
Speaker 4: I'm sorry it didn't work out.
Speaker 3: What a testament to the things that we think are
Speaker 3: so certain and solid, oh when we're young, I mean
Speaker 3: probably things we even think now, and then you know,
Speaker 3: look through years in the future. Like I feel like
Speaker 3: every generation or so, every few decades you got to
Speaker 3: like reassess because you really do well.
Speaker 5: And the reality is there are all sorts of things
Speaker 5: you can think are true today and in a year
Speaker 5: you don't know.
Speaker 3: You just don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like I've Brooke and Lucas are totally the people
Speaker 4: to have that kind of arrangement.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, because Lucas and Haley could
Speaker 3: never I think they would just be grossed out. But
Speaker 3: definitely Lucas and Brook.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like those two in like in the
Speaker 5: ways that they're both a little emo, would just be like, listen,
Speaker 5: we have these weird lives and nothing we seem to
Speaker 5: want to work out is working out, and maybe there's
Speaker 5: a reason everybody keeps asking us if we're into each other.
Speaker 3: Should we try again?
Speaker 5: Like I think they would just get so practically tired
Speaker 5: that they might be game. I just always find it
Speaker 5: so funny when I see it's like I can see
Speaker 5: the writers going, we got to drum up some more drama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you had tons of drama in this episode.
Speaker 3: I mean, and in the last few you've been a
Speaker 3: big bucket of emotions and again a fabulous interaction with
Speaker 3: doctor Cutie and when the silence sets in again hello,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, here it comes.
Speaker 5: When the silence sets in, Brook, I was like, he's
Speaker 5: gonna say call me and and he was like, be
Speaker 5: proud of what you did for this baby.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the.
Speaker 3: What's probably gonna get me? Give me your number?
Speaker 4: We are boo hissed that one. We're like, Chris, Chris Ethan.
Speaker 3: Come on, this is the moment where you ask her out?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I really, I'm so confused as to why
Speaker 3: he didn't come back because that was his last episode.
Speaker 3: I just don't get it. Do you remember anything about this? Well,
Speaker 3: I'm unsure, but I do know.
Speaker 5: The in the times where we spill the tea. I
Speaker 5: do know that this was really getting us into the
Speaker 5: era where Voldemort really didn't like there being guys around
Speaker 5: because there were, you know, girls on our show who
Speaker 5: were single who he was trying to make moves on,
Speaker 5: and he didn't want them to have options.
Speaker 4: So, oh my god, yeah, slim pickens because guess what,
Speaker 4: I was single by this episode. By this episode, my
Speaker 4: hair's different, my makeups different, because for the first time
Speaker 4: in the entire history of One Tree Hill, Hillary Burton
Speaker 4: was single and I was ready to mingle and.
Speaker 3: You looked beautiful, you were glowing your hair.
Speaker 4: And I looked around and I was like, wow, the
Speaker 4: playing field seems slimmer.
Speaker 3: Sickens, babe. Yeah, but then why even hire him? In
Speaker 3: the first place, Like, why bring him in just to
Speaker 3: tease us and then give us no follow through?
Speaker 4: Well maybe he thought we would hate him and we didn't.
Speaker 3: Everybody liked him, and he went, oh, he's got to go. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry that that happened, because I really wish Brooke
Speaker 3: had been able to have that story.
Speaker 5: Brooks should have dated a hot doctor. Honestly, it would
Speaker 5: have been nice for her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely an adult that like gave her good advice,
Speaker 4: like when when the silence sets in the You've done
Speaker 4: a lovely thing, Broke, So.
Speaker 3: If they relied on you a lot for a lot
Speaker 3: of the comedy, just in the show in general, I think, Broke,
Speaker 3: bron you know so much levity. Did you enjoy doing
Speaker 3: this like Arc where it was pretty much all drama
Speaker 3: all the time, or did it feel like was it
Speaker 3: exhausting and you missed you? I think in giggily, I
Speaker 3: mean I do.
Speaker 5: I love doing the sort of comedic relief as Brooke.
Speaker 5: I always really enjoyed that. That was how you know
Speaker 5: she was pitched to me. I think what I enjoyed
Speaker 5: about this was her having a storyline that didn't revolve
Speaker 5: around a man. Just felt nice, you know, It was
Speaker 5: hard on some days, as it always is working with
Speaker 5: the baby, and then at other times it was sort
Speaker 5: of great. It was like, you know, we were so
Speaker 5: used to doing like sixteen seventeen hour days, and you
Speaker 5: can't work hours like that with a baby, so like
Speaker 5: I had some free time for the first time in
Speaker 5: five years.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I have to go home when
Speaker 3: the baby goes home bye. Like I kind of loved
Speaker 3: that practically, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, I didn't mind it. What really
Speaker 5: makes me feel cringey. And I remember it was like
Speaker 5: how hard they wanted me to push being broken when
Speaker 5: I have to give the baby back, and like they
Speaker 5: wanted me sobbing in that airport, and I was like,
Speaker 5: this feels really over the top. Like, guys, I get
Speaker 5: that she's attached, but I've had this baby for what
Speaker 5: like three weeks or something.
Speaker 4: Like they wanted you to go full nanny carey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was the thing.
Speaker 5: I was like, this feels like we're getting into like
Speaker 5: nanny carey territory, like single white female car like territory.
Speaker 4: Like the hand that rocks the cradle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or if you've had a kid that you're fostering
Speaker 3: and it's been like a year, you know, yes, of
Speaker 3: that worse, yes, but three, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It just felt so extreme, and so I remember like
Speaker 5: as soon as I saw it happening, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Supposed to like boo, just boo.
Speaker 5: And sob and then turn around and see Lucas like
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 3: God, I hated it then and I hate watching it
Speaker 3: now because I just I don't know. I didn't I
Speaker 3: didn't feel like it was right.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't mind it. I liked it. I mean,
Speaker 4: I thought you did a really sincere job of being upset.
Speaker 4: Kind of in the same way like remember when we
Speaker 4: were kids and we would leave summer camp and that
Speaker 4: last day of camp, we'd cry so hard because we're like,
Speaker 4: we're never gonna see these people again. So it wasn't
Speaker 4: like the world was ending, but it was just like
Speaker 4: I loved this bubble. This bubble was so nice. Brooke
Speaker 4: just got to be in a baby bubble. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It worked for me because it felt to me like
Speaker 3: it wasn't so much about specifically Angie, as Brooke had
Speaker 3: found something to pour herself into that was not her work.
Speaker 3: It wasn't her ability to accomplish something nobody was relying
Speaker 3: on her for her brains or business acumen or creativity.
Speaker 3: It was like just her presence, her actual physical presence
Speaker 3: was so meaningful. And to have the one thing that
Speaker 3: to have that taken away, the thing that's giving you,
Speaker 3: it's like telling you you're valuable just because you exist
Speaker 3: in your presence is here, and when that goes away, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's like, well great, what do I do now? What
Speaker 3: am I supposed to go back to? I have to
Speaker 3: now keep performing all these things in order just to
Speaker 3: be loved and have value. So it hit me because
Speaker 3: it didn't seem like it was melodorm I'm so glad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, isn't it funny though, Like it's so helpful
Speaker 5: to be able to hear how people experience something that
Speaker 5: they're watching, because yeah, I have a sense memory of
Speaker 5: like being directed in a way by someone who obviously
Speaker 5: I didn't like, in a way that felt over the top,
Speaker 5: and I was like, well, I don't know about this,
Speaker 5: and I don't know about this.
Speaker 3: It feels iggy, and you're like, no, it totally works.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, great, it works. I don't think it
Speaker 3: worked because of the reason he was directing you right, right, right.
Speaker 3: I think what was happening was exactly what you thought
Speaker 3: was happening, But I just I think it came across
Speaker 3: as better than planned.
Speaker 5: Lad.
Speaker 3: Yes, Glas, that was good stuff. And I did like
Speaker 3: seeing Lucas show up at the airport and being there
Speaker 3: for her. I did too, So interesting And you know
Speaker 3: what I thought.
Speaker 5: Was really interesting. It hit me in that scene, you know,
Speaker 5: Lucas being there for Brooke in this way, and when
Speaker 5: they get back to her house, I was confused about,
Speaker 5: like why he picked her up at the airport but
Speaker 5: then disappeared but then came back. But whatever, it worked
Speaker 5: in the order that it needed to. But the fact
Speaker 5: that he he talks to her about her vulnerability and
Speaker 5: why it's special really echoed for me what Haley was
Speaker 5: doing for Lucas in this episode. Because you say him
Speaker 5: and you say, stop hiding your heart.
Speaker 3: It's my next quote on the list, stop hiding your heart,
Speaker 3: saying I circled it, and you.
Speaker 5: Say be you know, you're telling him to be honest
Speaker 5: about his feelings, to stop making a mess. And I
Speaker 5: really like that in a way, he takes the advice
Speaker 5: that you give to him and then he offers it
Speaker 5: to Brook and tells her that her vulnerability is something
Speaker 5: that he's grateful to witness, and he thanks her for
Speaker 5: letting him be a part of it. I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 5: everyone really is showing up for their friends well in
Speaker 5: this episode.
Speaker 4: I mean I thought it was a little wordy, but
Speaker 4: he's telling her. Yeah, I thought, hold on, I wrote
Speaker 4: this down. You know that I did.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was because they were trying to do that
Speaker 3: on purpose, because they knew what the ending they were
Speaker 3: going to tell. Yeah the audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, they were teasing. They were definitely
Speaker 4: like teasing a cliffhanger. But I when he's like Brook,
Speaker 4: that's the only way I see you, and it's why
Speaker 4: you're so beautiful, it was like, oh, oh, tell me more.
Speaker 4: I didn't hate it. If he ends up calling Brooke,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at it. I think that there's a
Speaker 4: real basis for a partnership there. Maybe not so much
Speaker 4: like romance, but partnership, which is probably a bigger factor
Speaker 4: in a long term relationship, Like can we can we
Speaker 4: pick each other up? Can we make each other safe?
Speaker 4: And Luke, for whatever reason, wants to make Brook feel
Speaker 4: very safe. Yeah, if I can jump in and say
Speaker 4: though that I hillary Burton, the actor was feeling some
Speaker 4: very real like jealousy that Luke was getting to comfort
Speaker 4: Brook and Peyton was like Peyton a fucking mural somewhere.
Speaker 4: I was just like, what, whoa where is Peyton? Because
Speaker 4: that's her?
Speaker 3: Yeah, where is she called Luke? Why do you think
Speaker 3: she called Luke?
Speaker 4: She no, she probably called both of them.
Speaker 3: But I was just like, well, because Luke and Brooke
Speaker 3: were both saying goodbye to the girl that they love,
Speaker 3: and I know.
Speaker 4: That's a good one.
Speaker 3: That's what was happening, So it was good that they
Speaker 3: were together. But she didn't call Peyton.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say that, thank god. Though they actually
Speaker 5: addressed it, even though it was quick, because he says,
Speaker 5: where's Peyton? And then I have to admit that I
Speaker 5: didn't tell you that Angie was actually leaving today, and
Speaker 5: so that's why he calls me on like hiding this
Speaker 5: stuff from people.
Speaker 4: That's all he's doing this episode is be like this
Speaker 4: Peyton here, because he does, right, where is she? I'm
Speaker 4: trying to duck her? She's being aware.
Speaker 3: Though painting that mural though, Okay, what did it actually say?
Speaker 3: Do you know what the quote is? Because I kept
Speaker 3: trying to read it and I couldn't catch it.
Speaker 5: It's the end of Lucas's book. It's the whole thing
Speaker 5: about how like love remade.
Speaker 4: Him and made me like young again, made me whole again.
Speaker 4: And it's a picture of the comets.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I've really missed that.
Speaker 5: And he says what it looks like at least is
Speaker 5: that in his writing of that final paragraph, he says
Speaker 5: I will always love you, like in it at some point,
Speaker 5: because you can see that kind of at the bottom
Speaker 5: of the comet. And then she does the like return
Speaker 5: return on the computer screen thing and says, I will
Speaker 5: always love you Peyton. So yeah, she like gave him
Speaker 5: his book back.
Speaker 3: Really made me miss the river court me to a
Speaker 3: shot of Chad's standing in the middle of the quote.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean the big aerial shot.
Speaker 3: There's so many epic artistic shots and moments in this episode,
Speaker 3: even Mouth and Millie leaning up against the wall of
Speaker 3: the news station. The way the camera moved past it
Speaker 3: just felt like really elevated, interesting to look at.
Speaker 4: Our camera department showed up so many crane shots in
Speaker 4: this episode. Oh yeah, from the very beginning, that shot
Speaker 4: of main Street where it like comes down onto the street. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the river court shots, the shots in the airport. We
Speaker 4: worked that crane this.
Speaker 3: Episode, and the and the end with the car accident.
Speaker 4: H we'll get there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well and think about it too. You know, it's
Speaker 5: it's five eighteen, but it's the season finale because the
Speaker 5: season was truncated because of the strike, so there was
Speaker 5: budget left over. Like, we had a full eight days
Speaker 5: of a techno crane on this episode, and that's not
Speaker 5: something we normally had.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 5: To have a crane every day. Yeah, Like that's why
Speaker 5: all these shots are so amazing.
Speaker 3: So you could take an episode that normally for us
Speaker 3: would just be in town, you go to all your
Speaker 3: regular locations, and you could turn it into something that
Speaker 3: was so much more. You could take more time with
Speaker 3: the shots. Yeah, it makes it look more like a movie.
Speaker 4: I want to crane on everything, me too. Joy. I
Speaker 4: sidebarred before we got to the talk with Haley and
Speaker 4: Lucas on the roof because I really loved that scene.
Speaker 4: I thought you and he had You and him had
Speaker 4: so much this episode that was funny, like you telling
Speaker 4: him to fix the ferret on his head. I love
Speaker 4: the gold Stars cold, but then you guys have this
Speaker 4: moment where you're reminiscing about the water balloon fight you
Speaker 4: had on top of Karen's cafe, and you say to
Speaker 4: him that we're not kids anymore. And this is my
Speaker 4: favorite part of One Tree Hill is how southern it is.
Speaker 4: Where our characters are twenty two years old. They are
Speaker 4: stressed about being married and having kids, like there is
Speaker 4: no Tom left. That is the most southern thing about
Speaker 4: our show. And Hayley's just like Clockstick and Luke, we're
Speaker 4: not kids anymore.
Speaker 3: We're gonna die soon. Luke, You're better get your together.
Speaker 4: Pull it together.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 5: It's like our brains won't be done developing for four
Speaker 5: more years, but we are old and we should be responsible.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, it's so good.
Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, stop hiding your heart.
Speaker 3: Stop hiding your heart. It's so nice. Good one too.
Speaker 3: All of the garbage and pain is just garbage and pain,
Speaker 3: and love is better and don't underestimate love. And I
Speaker 3: remember reading that and really feeling connected to that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a really real moment there. I also like I like.
Speaker 5: Her saying that to a writer in particular. You know,
Speaker 5: garbage and pain isn't poetic, because there really is this
Speaker 5: notion for artists, you know, like the tortured artist. I
Speaker 5: remember years ago a friend of mine that I was
Speaker 5: working with to get sober and he was really struggling.
Speaker 5: He was convinced that if he did, he wouldn't be
Speaker 5: as good an actor. And yeah, like that's this lie
Speaker 5: that you know that that somehow your mess is what
Speaker 5: makes you interesting. And it was really special for me
Speaker 5: as a friend to be able to like witness the
Speaker 5: unpacking of that. And I love that Haley kind of
Speaker 5: calls Lucas on it and is like enough, like, no
Speaker 5: more of this tortured artist nonsense, show up for what's
Speaker 5: good in your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, love is better. Love is interesting. Yeah, m.
Speaker 5: Well, and it's and it's not some myth that keeps
Speaker 5: you sick or keeps you small.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I think Haley talks the talk in this episode but
Speaker 4: also really walks the walk, like there's that There are
Speaker 4: multiple moments in this episodisode where you see her just
Speaker 4: taking in her own life, taking in her family, taking
Speaker 4: in being in the recording studio, and she just clicking.
Speaker 4: And it's one thing when the person giving you advice
Speaker 4: is just like saying all the right things, but it's
Speaker 4: another thing when you're witnessing them live it and call
Speaker 4: it into action. And so seeing Haley, who has been
Speaker 4: through some hellacious I don't know it just that felt
Speaker 4: so real. You know, it feels nice to appreciate goodness
Speaker 4: in the moment, because I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: fall into I know I certainly have fallen into the
Speaker 4: habit of recognizing it after the fact and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: that was lovely. That's my experience in this podcast, Like
Speaker 4: the filming of it didn't feel good. I would wake
Speaker 4: up every day with like a pit in my stomach.
Speaker 4: And it's so nice to go back and look at
Speaker 4: it and be like, there are parts of that that
Speaker 4: were awesome.
Speaker 3: That was nice.
Speaker 4: It was nice, And so to see Haley appreciate it
Speaker 4: in the moment, that's such an important life skill that
Speaker 4: now I get to practice. Yeah, Haley and.
Speaker 3: Nathan seemed to be doing a lot of that in
Speaker 3: this episode, like they're really I was just gonna say, yeah,
Speaker 3: like walking through the compilation of the things that they've
Speaker 3: been through in their life and just being able to
Speaker 3: use those as ways to help other people or like
Speaker 3: learn watching Nathan Learn. I have a whole thing about
Speaker 3: Nate Learning here. Yeah, but I just real quick, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm still chewing on what you did. The last thing
Speaker 3: you said, Sophia, you said, it's not a myth that
Speaker 3: keeps you small? Could you just elaborate on that, because
Speaker 3: I didn't understand what you meant, but it was interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like the mythology of the tortured artist, the
Speaker 5: mythology of pain being good for you. You know this idea.
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of people sharing this quote from
Speaker 5: a therapist recently that was like, I don't like what
Speaker 5: doesn't kill you makes you stronger. I disagree, Like trauma
Speaker 5: that you've survived hasn't made you strong. You're strong because
Speaker 5: you survived it. You didn't deserve to go through the trauma,
Speaker 5: and you shouldn't be required to go through trauma to grow.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's so these ideas for me, I'm really fascinated by
Speaker 5: these myths that we need to stop believing in, like
Speaker 5: that being tortured makes you a better artist or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I love that Haley is essentially saying to Lucas,
Speaker 5: like the myth the garbage and pain being poetic, that's
Speaker 5: a myth. Love is better. Yeah, like love, garbage and
Speaker 5: pain actually just keep you small. They keep you afraid,
Speaker 5: they keep you hurting. And if you can, if you
Speaker 5: can do the work to unpack your stuff, you know,
Speaker 5: whatever your stuff is, and like take your own trash out,
Speaker 5: I think you can get out of whatever cycle you've
Speaker 5: been in that keeps you small or makes you small.
Speaker 5: You can you can choose like the bigger and the
Speaker 5: better life. I mean, I like when you were talking
Speaker 5: about it earlier, Joy, like every couple of decades or
Speaker 5: maybe every couple of years, you got to reassess, Like,
Speaker 5: that's certainly a journey that I'm on in the moment.
Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, not something I particularly want
Speaker 5: to talk about in detail, But the theme of this
Speaker 5: season for me truly is like, oh no, no, I
Speaker 5: will not stay in any circumstance that makes me small. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I just won't.
Speaker 3: How do you balance that with like because and I
Speaker 3: remember thinking this actually when Haley was saying this quote too,
Speaker 3: because yes, I went with it the direction that you're
Speaker 3: talking about with the artists believing these myths about being tortured,
Speaker 3: and that made really interesting. But I think that like
Speaker 3: don't we have to. We have to go through hard
Speaker 3: things in order to grow, Like, how can you grow
Speaker 3: if you if you're never encounter something that challenges your
Speaker 3: character or to figure out a lot of times we
Speaker 3: don't even know what we're capable over who we are
Speaker 3: until we're faced with it, Like what are you going
Speaker 3: to do in this moment? And you have to make
Speaker 3: a decision and the decision is determinate, determining factor into
Speaker 3: the development of your character.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think challenge is so important. But I
Speaker 5: think that the danger is when we romanticize our suffering
Speaker 5: and say it's what made us good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, no, for sure, but like acknowledging, because
Speaker 3: we've all been through so much in our lives, and
Speaker 3: like acknowledging. Man, when I think about the things that
Speaker 3: I've been through, I don't wish that on anyone. I
Speaker 3: don't wish that I went through it. But I also
Speaker 3: I'm grateful for it because of the things that I've
Speaker 3: learned and how how it's how it's changed me and
Speaker 3: my being able to grow past those things.
Speaker 4: You would have been a good person without them, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you would have been a good person without them. I
Speaker 4: don't know it shoots and Ladders man's true. I think.
Speaker 4: I think the shoots and ladders aspect where the notion
Speaker 4: is that you have to backslide five spaces in order
Speaker 4: to move forward and be in like your real position
Speaker 4: in life for a better position, yeah, or a better position,
Speaker 4: you know. In parenting, there's a lot of like, well,
Speaker 4: it toughened me up, so I'm going to toughen my
Speaker 4: kids up the same way so that they come up
Speaker 4: with the same morals that I do. I am very
Speaker 4: very lenient and very very loving with my children because
Speaker 4: they don't have to deal with the same shit that
Speaker 4: I did, and they make better decisions than I did.
Speaker 4: They make decisions that come from a place of love
Speaker 4: instead of a place of fear and defensiveness. And so
Speaker 4: the idea that you must go through trauma to come
Speaker 4: out as a good person is a part of the
Speaker 4: hero's journey. It's a part of a tale that's as
Speaker 4: old as Ulysses right, and it's bullshit, it's misogyny. It's
Speaker 4: a man's story that going to war is the thing
Speaker 4: that makes you a full person. You can sit in
Speaker 4: a beautiful space surrounded by flowers and be domistic and
Speaker 4: believe in the beauty of the world and still come
Speaker 4: out a perfectly nice person, a perfectly kind hearted person.
Speaker 4: And I love that Haley wants Lucas to come into
Speaker 4: the light, you know, like to choose you more joy. God,
Speaker 4: that's it. It's like you can still be a full
Speaker 4: bodied person that is worthy of things and still has
Speaker 4: a big imagination without having to wallow in, you know,
Speaker 4: the underworld.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think I think what's important is, look,
Speaker 5: when you've been through hardship, when you have suffered, when
Speaker 5: you have experienced things as we all have, that you
Speaker 5: wouldn't wish on anyone else. Yes, you need to. You
Speaker 5: need to make something of it, you know. It's why
Speaker 5: the phrase exists. You got to make you know, you
Speaker 5: have lemons, make lemonade.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to figure out how to make something
Speaker 5: of it and find a gratitude for it and understand
Speaker 5: as part of your story, because otherwise it might kill you.
Speaker 5: But I would just prefer that people not have to suffer,
Speaker 5: you know, like I don't. I don't buy into this
Speaker 5: mythology that it's our suffering that makes us interesting. I
Speaker 5: think it's unfortunate that we live in a world that
Speaker 5: is so desensitized to human suffering. And I think, you know,
Speaker 5: for me, like my entire life's mission is to create
Speaker 5: more community so that people show up and defend their neighbors,
Speaker 5: and that we show up and we build a more
Speaker 5: equitable society. Like I'm not interested in everyone should suffer
Speaker 5: because it makes you interesting.
Speaker 3: Like I don't think so interesting now, you know, but
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I do think in the realm of being human, when
Speaker 5: you've been through something, you have to figure out what
Speaker 5: it might stand to teach you so that you can exist.
Speaker 5: And it's really it's really special in this episode to
Speaker 5: have Haley and Nathan on these parallel journeys and they're
Speaker 5: talking about it as a couple, but they're also using
Speaker 5: what they've been through to go and encourage their people
Speaker 5: to grow. And what I love so much is that
Speaker 5: Haley's doing so much of it with Lucas and Peyton,
Speaker 5: and that Nathan is doing it with Jamie and doesn't
Speaker 5: realize he needs someone to do it.
Speaker 3: For him, which Quentin is kind of doing. Yeah this space.
Speaker 5: And Quentin's pushing him, He's pushing him, He's pushing him,
Speaker 5: and Nathan doesn't react well to it, and it's not
Speaker 5: until his own son basically says without saying, Daddy, you
Speaker 5: and I are going through the same thing. We're both
Speaker 5: scared that he goes, oh, I'm telling my son not
Speaker 5: to be scared, and I'm scared and I'm actually the
Speaker 5: one denying it and he's watching, so maybe he's learning
Speaker 5: to be scared for me, and like, oh, it just
Speaker 5: it killed me.
Speaker 3: That whole thing. Trifecta is like three Jamie, Nathan, and
Speaker 3: Quenton all in the sittle circle of learning right now
Speaker 3: what they're being to each other and how they're sort
Speaker 3: of i mean passing the proverbial ball to each other
Speaker 3: of maturity and innocence and growth and fear, and it's
Speaker 3: it's so interesting to me.
Speaker 4: Jackson is right like the same size, the same kind
Speaker 4: of like maturity as my daughter right now. And there's
Speaker 4: so many faces that he makes where I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: I saw that face yesterday, you know. And there's something
Speaker 4: about like the kids are always copying us, right, Like
Speaker 4: your child is just always copying you. So if your
Speaker 4: kid's doing something you don't like, it's because you do it.
Speaker 4: And we've talked about that in adults joy, but you know,
Speaker 4: I have a girlfriend that's like, I don't know why
Speaker 4: might doesn't get along with other girls, And I'm like,
Speaker 4: but have you met you? You know, if your kids
Speaker 4: struggling with something, it's because they've watched you struggle with
Speaker 4: it and they're emulating it. And I love that a
Speaker 4: kid can be going through something that's a microcosm of
Speaker 4: the adult problems. But because they're not paying taxes and
Speaker 4: they don't have work on top of it, and they
Speaker 4: don't have like all these external factors, it makes the
Speaker 4: issue super boiled down and really easy to diagnose, so
Speaker 4: that it then opens up all these doors for the
Speaker 4: grown ups, like, oh, all I have to do is
Speaker 4: put my floaties on.
Speaker 3: Okay, great, You're like Rocky Balboa.
Speaker 4: When Nathan yelled I'm not afraid or I'm not scared,
Speaker 4: I'm not scared whatever, so good, and it's such a
Speaker 4: little boy temper tantrum.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but that kind of goes back to what
Speaker 3: you were just saying, too so about kid because for
Speaker 3: Jamie and what Hillary, what you're saying about keeping everything
Speaker 3: boiled down, what they you know, kids don't understand their
Speaker 3: version of their things, but that's that's their version of
Speaker 3: suffering like a kid being you know, having to deal
Speaker 3: with whatever it is that the fear is, or even
Speaker 3: a parent putting a restriction on a child and saying, no,
Speaker 3: you cannot just run out into the street, and the
Speaker 3: kids like, but I really want to, and then they'll
Speaker 3: throw a fit. But it's for their safety, but they
Speaker 3: just can't understand that, So they're suffering is relative, you
Speaker 3: know to a child they really feel like they're suffering
Speaker 3: because they can't go get the candy out of the
Speaker 3: jar before dinner, or because they're being grounded because they
Speaker 3: haven't learned how to structure to be responsible in certain
Speaker 3: ways or whatever. Do you know what I'm saying? Like
Speaker 3: the suffering is kind of relative, and we think like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm suffering, I shouldn't have to suffer, And yet our
Speaker 3: version of suffering may be also relative compared to another someone.
Speaker 4: No, but Nathan's suffering that he's frustrated and he's a
Speaker 4: little bit embarrassed that it's not coming back to him,
Speaker 4: and he's go this high school kid who is pushing
Speaker 4: him and making him look like a dips in front
Speaker 4: of his own son. Like Holy, that is suffering to
Speaker 4: Nathan Scott, right.
Speaker 3: Yea, and Quinton's dealing with his own version of what's
Speaker 3: going on in his world and just trying to still
Speaker 3: stay alive and stay passionate about the game that he
Speaker 3: loves and stay relevant in the game that he loves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Haley's suffering in this episode is waking up with
Speaker 4: a rabbit in her bed because you know, those old
Speaker 4: shits poop everywhere.
Speaker 3: That was the look on my face, like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to clean this up, right, But
Speaker 3: I did love that. I love them all. Jumping in
Speaker 3: the pool. I remember really loving doing that scene. It
Speaker 3: was one of those this episode. Every day of this
Speaker 3: episode felt like one of those days at work where
Speaker 3: I was going through lots of my own personal suffering
Speaker 3: and it was an escape to be able to come
Speaker 3: to work and just have fun and play with family
Speaker 3: that was like all really nice people and everybody was
Speaker 3: treating each other well and we were just having a ball.
Speaker 3: I loved shooting this episode, and I remember jumping in
Speaker 3: that pool and just being like, play, I just get
Speaker 3: to play and be a kid, which I felt like
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to do in my real life at
Speaker 3: that time. It was fun. It was really fun. Doing
Speaker 3: this stuff.
Speaker 4: It did feel like there was like a fun thing.
Speaker 4: Every day you were either jumping in the pool or
Speaker 4: throwing water balloons, are getting to do a night shoot
Speaker 4: at the river Court, which was always real special, you know,
Speaker 4: taken over the airport. Yeah, I know. Every night was
Speaker 4: a different slumber party.
Speaker 3: The last thing we really haven't hit here unless there's
Speaker 3: something else you guys wanted to say. Was it was
Speaker 3: Mouth and Millie. Oh yeah, and Lindsay saving the day
Speaker 3: at the station. Oh yeah, Lindsay, right of course.
Speaker 4: Well, the Mouth and Millie of it all.
Speaker 5: I loved it, that huge mic trup, just him being
Speaker 5: able to get in there and do what he's really
Speaker 5: good at, calling all those cues through the mic, and
Speaker 5: it was just so funny and just loved that they
Speaker 5: made the sportscaster end on and and I'm say your name.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, it's perfect. It's just
Speaker 3: a really moment.
Speaker 5: For Mouth and like, you know, the music is swelling
Speaker 5: and we're all like, yeah, he did it, and then
Speaker 5: you get that moment of hilarious comic relief. It was perfect.
Speaker 3: And you knew they were going to offer him his job.
Speaker 3: They were like they were going to let him jump
Speaker 3: in and the fact that he says I quit and
Speaker 3: he gets that great epic exit from that news station
Speaker 3: that just treated him so badly. Yeah, oh that felt good.
Speaker 4: All of that was over that bonnie Vere song. And I,
Speaker 4: I mean, Jeff and I danced to Bonniever at our wedding.
Speaker 4: That was the first thing that he gave me when
Speaker 4: we started dating is that album. And I was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 4: you like, you're like moody, You're in. And it was
Speaker 4: so epic and so swelling because we go from like
Speaker 4: everybody's pieces are coming together, you know, Haley has that
Speaker 4: really touching moment with Lucas. Lucas goes and he talks
Speaker 4: to Brook. Lindsey leaves like it makes this crazy phone call,
Speaker 4: and then when mouth.
Speaker 3: Just absolutely kills it.
Speaker 4: It just feels like our kids are all finding their stride,
Speaker 4: you know. It feels like they're all slowly tiptoeing back
Speaker 4: onto the path, and it feels nice. It feels like
Speaker 4: redemptive for this end of the season, bit only only
Speaker 4: to have the most epic exclamation point in the history
Speaker 4: of our show.
Speaker 5: I am not okay, you guys, We've Regina George Dan Scott.
Speaker 3: That was wild.
Speaker 4: Everything is going so good for everyone.
Speaker 3: Even Dan. He's making he's making strides on. He's trying.
Speaker 3: He didn't have to murder that man, but that man died.
Speaker 3: Like now he's number one. He's so happy, trying to
Speaker 3: give give something back to the gods.
Speaker 4: What's your name and number? I'm Dan Scott and I'm
Speaker 4: number one one. Yeah you are baby?
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 4: Guys, it hit him so that car hit him so hard.
Speaker 4: We have to post the reaction video of us because
Speaker 4: we fell out out. We were done.
Speaker 3: I was not prepared. I was I just wasn't prepared.
Speaker 3: I felt like it was going to happen. You know,
Speaker 3: anytime somebody backs up into a street, you kind of
Speaker 3: get a feeling something's gonna happen. Holy, that was really intense.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't remember they hit the dummy, right
Speaker 3: the dummy was what they actually hit or was it
Speaker 3: like a No, it looked like they hit a person.
Speaker 4: How did they do that? Our crew kicked so much
Speaker 4: ass on this episode. They were like, oh, you want
Speaker 4: us to do a stunt? Too cool?
Speaker 3: Watch this. We should have one of the stunt guys
Speaker 3: or a couple of them come talk with John Cople
Speaker 3: walk through some of the stuff. Ye, yes, yeah, we
Speaker 3: should have John com talk through some of the stunts
Speaker 3: with us.
Speaker 4: Sometime because John doubled for Paul stuff because they both
Speaker 4: had dark hair.
Speaker 3: And for James as well. Yeah, but this one, yeah,
Speaker 3: when they hit the uh, they hit the street, Paul
Speaker 3: hit the street, and it was for sure a dummy
Speaker 3: like falling, like rolling off of the car. And you
Speaker 3: could see the bad diet job on the mannequin.
Speaker 4: Like the arm was all like.
Speaker 3: Direction.
Speaker 4: There's no joints or bones of that arm, No stuffed panty.
Speaker 5: No, of course you get the like you get the
Speaker 5: dummy falling. And then they cut and you know, they
Speaker 5: put Paul in for the last little like shake and
Speaker 5: then the freakin' beeper starts going off.
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, come on, it's perfect. He's gonna
Speaker 3: get a new heart and a new arm and a leg.
Speaker 4: And is it bad that that beeper just reminds me
Speaker 4: of like outback steakhouse, Like remember the sound of it,
Speaker 4: the table's ready. Sometimes you just need a bloomin onion.
Speaker 4: I get it. I just I loved it because you've
Speaker 4: got all this like feel good sentimental going on with
Speaker 4: the kids, and they're like, what's the most feel good
Speaker 4: thing we can do with Dan Scott? And we're gonna
Speaker 4: hit him with an accurate Chevy Malibu. Oh yeah, nail god.
Speaker 4: I loved it all right, Cliffhanger, Who's Luca's gonna pick?
Speaker 4: Lindsay making the phone call? Here's my analysis. Lindsay called
Speaker 4: him when she knew that he had a game. She
Speaker 4: is admitting that she lied to him that she was
Speaker 4: seeing someone. She is admitting that she does have feelings
Speaker 4: for him and has just put him in this purgatory
Speaker 4: for no good reason. And so I think that he
Speaker 4: definitely should not pick her because she's been kind of toxic.
Speaker 3: It's my take.
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't have anything to do with how how you
Speaker 5: might feel for Peyton Sawyer.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is Peyton has made it very clear,
Speaker 4: very clear, of the three girls, she's the only one
Speaker 4: who actually wants him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she chooses him. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's Haley's whole thing. Path of least resistance.
Speaker 4: Go to the light, go towards love, make it easy,
Speaker 4: go to the love, go with the love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what's your honorable mention?
Speaker 5: So honestly, I think my honorable mention is Lisa Goldstein
Speaker 5: walking through these hauling water balloons.
Speaker 3: So no one's ever looked cooler. What a great moment, right,
Speaker 3: that is such a great nineties rom com moment. I
Speaker 3: loved every minute. Yeah, yeah that was great.
Speaker 4: What's yours?
Speaker 3: What's yours? I'm running? I mean, like the car hit,
Speaker 3: like the way that she was hit in that car.
Speaker 3: I just feel like, I feel like Paul committed so
Speaker 3: hard to this episode. Again he always They just knew
Speaker 3: they could give him the craziest material and he would
Speaker 3: come through. Yeah, so yeah, that's gonna be.
Speaker 4: It for me. Loved it all right.
Speaker 3: Fan question, Yeah, Ashley wants to know what is your
Speaker 3: pit and peak of season five? Pit and peak? Pits,
Speaker 3: Nanny Carey, the pits, I mean for the character anyway, peak,
Speaker 3: I guess right now, Like the last episode, Haley seems
Speaker 3: to be in a good place. She seems to be
Speaker 3: like getting over her anger with Dan. She seems to
Speaker 3: be ready to help all her friends. She's doing her
Speaker 3: music again. Yeah, it seems like she's on the upswing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great song this sub I loved
Speaker 4: that song. I loved it when you would sing it.
Speaker 3: It's a good song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the beginning of it is so pretty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a good one. I didn't write that one,
Speaker 3: but it was a good song. I didn't write that,
Speaker 3: but I guess it was a good song. But it
Speaker 3: was okay, But it was.
Speaker 4: Fantastic because we come out of the dance, got car
Speaker 4: hit and it's like Haley holding onto the headphones. Yeah,
Speaker 4: everyone's doing great.
Speaker 3: Everyone else is so happy.
Speaker 4: Ah.
Speaker 5: I think for me, like peak of this season really
Speaker 5: just the homecoming of all of us.
Speaker 3: I loved, like, I love.
Speaker 5: You know, despite the fact that we didn't really get
Speaker 5: to see each other in this episode. Like I love
Speaker 5: Brook and Peyton be in roommates because you know, we're
Speaker 5: all doing that's so advanced for twenty two year olds.
Speaker 5: I kind of love that these two twenty two year
Speaker 5: old girls live in a house together.
Speaker 4: M h.
Speaker 5: I think my honestly, my pit of season five is
Speaker 5: the stupid haircut.
Speaker 4: I hate growing out by this episode. You have been
Speaker 4: so mad this whole time and it looks so cute.
Speaker 3: Guys, I just really hate it. So yeah, those are mine?
Speaker 3: What do you what do you got?
Speaker 4: My pit for season five? Can Max the record store guy,
Speaker 4: what a loser? And then my peak for season five
Speaker 4: is Peyton being really clear about who she's into, but
Speaker 4: also like totally fine to just go work. Like I
Speaker 4: loved her being on the phone with Mia, just like
Speaker 4: who's this guy that you're talking to? Like, I love
Speaker 4: the foreshadowing going on in this episode, but like Peyton
Speaker 4: just putting her head down, getting her work done, not
Speaker 4: chasing that dude around, but like being really honest with
Speaker 4: anyone that asks her what her deal is. I I
Speaker 4: love it. It's less cry It's like, even though she
Speaker 4: tears up, it's not such pity party as like when
Speaker 4: she was younger and it was like nobody likes me,
Speaker 4: everybody leaves.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of emotional maturity. It's nice. Yeah, her
Speaker 3: way is punishing people is not throwing water balloons at.
Speaker 4: Them instead of God bless ah.
Speaker 3: I don't know, we weeping in the graveyard.
Speaker 4: In the graveyard. Well, I can't wait to come back
Speaker 4: for season six. I just remember the summer between season
Speaker 4: five and scene six as being my summer of debauchery,
Speaker 4: and so I love this era. I can't wait to
Speaker 4: come back, can't wait.
Speaker 3: I'm ready excited too.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I went home while we were filming this
Speaker 4: episode and just like made out with the dude that
Speaker 4: was Homecoming King the year before I graduated, and was
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, going home does feel cool. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: brooke Davis, my hometown. I love it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 3: I did that when I was when I was though. Yes,
Speaker 3: I went back and like found my seventh grade boyfriend
Speaker 3: and was like, camere you this again, just for a while.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: We learned so much this year. All right, should we
Speaker 4: spend one final season five wheel Let's do it season?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Who is most likely to forget their best friend's birthday?
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys know that we record these things
Speaker 4: well before they air. So today is actually Lee Norris's birthday.
Speaker 4: Have we all set him a message? We're gonna do
Speaker 4: it right now? Everybody texts Lee on three ready one
Speaker 4: two three.
Speaker 5: Aday, buddy.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think who forgets birthdays? I do you do?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't you know what. You guys are easy
Speaker 3: for me because it's the dyscalcula. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: maybe just because I've known you for so long and
Speaker 3: we've been around each other every year for birthdays most
Speaker 3: I mean for a long time anyway. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: think because life is so transient and we're always traveling,
Speaker 3: that if I'm not with you consistently during your birthday,
Speaker 3: the date will start to get mas muddy. Or if
Speaker 3: I remember the date, I don't know what day of
Speaker 3: the week it is that I'm in. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: then I will forget. I never know what the actual
Speaker 3: date is today. I don't I have no idea what
Speaker 3: today's date is.
Speaker 5: If I don't open my calendar app, I don't have
Speaker 5: any idea what's going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I only know from like Facebook or other
Speaker 4: people telling me, like I, you know, I'm stressed.
Speaker 3: Because the robots have taken over all of our Like
Speaker 3: we used to know everybody's phone number by heart, and
Speaker 3: now we don't. Is this a byproduct of that?
Speaker 4: Dude? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But if we don't sell it rate the birthday, does
Speaker 4: it actually happen? Right? Like? Do we get to just
Speaker 4: stay I'm perfectly.
Speaker 3: Fat I've been doing. Just don't celebrate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just sit right here at the sage forever? Yeah,
Speaker 4: which character? Which character doesn't remember? Well?
Speaker 5: You want to know what's funny is I was going
Speaker 5: to be like that feels like a very Victoria Davis
Speaker 5: thing to do to never know when it's anyone's birthday
Speaker 5: because she doesn't care. But then my thought was, does
Speaker 5: Victoria even have friends? So I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, I feel like Victoria would know everyone's birthday but
Speaker 3: purposely never say anything to.
Speaker 4: Them, Like she definitely doesn't remember Brook's birthday. Remember the
Speaker 4: sad birthday brookat where she was all by herself with
Speaker 4: little copcake.
Speaker 3: That's all alone.
Speaker 4: Hated it? All right, you guys. Next episode? What do
Speaker 4: we got?
Speaker 3: Season six, Episode one? Touch me? I'm going to scream
Speaker 3: Part one? Ooh got our short titles give me anxiety?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean to quote eb Scott in this episode.
Speaker 4: It's not porn, it's erotica. Gotta love Devin skills. All right,
Speaker 4: you guys, this is a really fun one. Here we go,
Speaker 4: Season six, Gideot.
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