1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we're back around normally the show with normalist 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird and you can 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: really count on it to be weird. I'm Mary Catherine Ham. 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Marco. It's I'm Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: How are you. I'm all right. We did have some 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: sort of incursion in my downstairs. I got a note 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: under my door while I was recording another podcast before 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: this that said, spider downstairs. Really big? What do we do? 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: The kids are on spring break, so they needed me 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: to help with this, but we're respectful of my recording 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: boundaries and they put it under a box, okay, which 12 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: is like a pretty good solution. Good job, gal. 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Sure. 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not generally afraid of spiders. I in fact, 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: will save them instead of kill them if possible, because 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: I think they're useful in the whole ecosystem. But I 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: am now definitely afraid of the unknown under that box. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. We had a snake in our 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: home in Florida a few months after we moved in, 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: and the fact that, of course that I still live 21 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: here is a testament to how much I love it, 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: I know. But we ran over to the neighbor's house 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: because we literally did not know what we should do. 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: And the guy came over and he put the box 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: on top, and then he slid the flat from another 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: box under it and flipped it over and took it outside. 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: So there's your solution. You need a second box. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling like I might just be very heteronormative 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: and tell my husband to deal with it when he 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 1: comes home, right. 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: Of course, But I'm just saying, if you want to 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 2: suggest to him a second box. 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Steve said. Steve said that he's disappointed in the children 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: because they should be fighting over who gets the kill. 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: We have a designated bug person. It's my middle son. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: He's he wants to catch them and put them outside. 37 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: That or lizard person or frog or any of the 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: other things we've had in the house. But yeah, he's 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: officially in charge. 40 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: My firstborn used to be fearless about this, but she, 41 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: in her twin years, has decided that she's like not 42 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: into that anymore. 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: I hear her. 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Anyway to be continued, Yeah, keep. 45 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: Us posted on how this turns out. So it was 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: a wild, wild weekend. Lots of things happened. The Left 47 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: is in this very violent rhetoric place, and I am 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: hoping that they snapped themselves out of it, but it 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: doesn't seem like that's happening time soon. Tayla Lorenz, who 50 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: was a reporter at the New York Times and then 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,279 Speaker 2: at the Washington Post, gave it a very odd interview 52 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: to CNN where she talked about how amazing Luigi Mengioni is. 53 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: He's the guy, if you don't remember, who killed the 54 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: healthcare executive on the streets of Manhattan in cold blood 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: from behind because he didn't like our health insurance system. 56 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a clip from that, and it's pretty disturbing. 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: This is her talking to a CNN correspondent named Donnio Sullivan, 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: and hear hear her thoughts on what we're all missing 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: about the fandom of Luigi Manngiuni. 60 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching 61 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: their pearls about someone standing a murderer when this is 62 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: the United States of America. As if we don't lionize criminals, 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: as if we don't have you know, we don't stand 64 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: murderers of all sorts, and we give them Netflix shows. 65 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles the 66 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: And you see that in moments like this, And I 68 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: can tell you I saw the biggest audience growth that 69 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: I've ever seen because people were like, Oh, somebody, some 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: journalists is actually speaking to the anger that we feel. 71 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: The women who got her outside course in New York. 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: So you're going to see women especially that feel like, 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: oh my god, right, like here's this man who who's revolutionary, 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart, He's a 75 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: person that seems this like this morally good man, which 76 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: is hard to find. 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just realized women will literally dat an assassin 78 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 2: before they swipe right on me. That's where it's it's 79 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: something for sure, she's sick. I think that is sick. 80 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 2: And it's one thing to be this crazy. It's another 81 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: thing to be this crazy on CNN and have it 82 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: just be this like ha ha ha ha ha moment. 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Well, and I was I was thinking, like, is there 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: some alia ameliorating fact here, Like maybe this guy is 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: a comedian who has a gig at CNN. He's not 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: like this isn't a news show he's a senior correspondent, right. 87 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: He's like not a joke. 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: No, for the intersection of politics and technology. This is 89 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: what he does. Uh. And the idea that this per person, 90 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: Taylor Lorenz, reached the pinnacle of media in this country, yeah, 91 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: is a problem. Like I have to believe that even 92 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: the the edge lords at this point are like, can 93 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: we get somebody, say, or to report on us, because 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: like this is problem attic And again like she's framing 95 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: it like I'm just sort of reporting on a phenomenon. No, 96 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: you're not. You're justifying the phenomenon. And if you're right 97 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: of center, yeah, you would not justify it. 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: It is. 99 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: It's wild to me to watch her do this. There's 100 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: a particularly the part where she says, a man of 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: good morals, ma'am pardon. 102 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: Which is hard to find and you can only find 103 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: it in a in an Assassin. 104 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: There's a Flannery O'Connor short story called a Good Man 106 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: is Hard to Find, and in it, this family is 107 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: on a road trip and runs into a serial killer 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: who's out from his escape from His name is the Misfit, 109 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: and the grandmother on the trip has been trying to 110 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: warn them that they might run into this person and 111 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: when she encounters him and he's about to kill her 112 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: spoiler alert on that very old short story, she says, 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't think you should call yourself the misfit because 114 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: deep down I can see you're a very good man. 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: And it's like girl, No, yeah, no, totally And at 116 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: her whole point that the media doesn't understand Mangione's appeal, 117 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: we completely understand. We all grew up with rich kids 118 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: in Shakavara t shirts. We get it. We understand that 119 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: leftist revolutionaries are very popular with a certain well to 120 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: do set in the American left, and those people pretend 121 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: that they are these revolutionaries too, and they support things 122 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: like killing healthcare executives in the street. The healthcare executive 123 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: was a father, and he had a real life and 124 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: he was a real person. And guess what, killing actually 125 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: didn't change our healthcare system whatsoever. 126 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: No, and the justifying of it and the glorifying of 127 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: it will lead to more crazy people looking around and 128 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: going is that the path for me? Because look, I 129 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: always want to be careful about saying your rhetoric causes violence, 130 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: because I want to protect the speech right. We can 131 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: all have all sorts of speech that's crazy and bad 132 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: and that I think is ill advised and not necessarily 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: lead to violence. But like y'all, yeah, you're explicitly telling 134 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: people on national television that if you do something like this, 135 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: you will have a fan club and be considered exactly handsome, revolutionary, 136 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: a good moral man, and then we'll all joke about it. 137 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: Right. 138 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: It creeps me out. 139 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, And look, we've talked about it in previous episodes, 140 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: but Democrats do say things that Republicans simply would never 141 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: be able to get away with Representative MacIvor saying we 142 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: are at war, or Representative Van holnds we have to 143 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: fight in the streets. And you know, these would be 144 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: three day stories if a Republican said it. And the 145 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 2: key part that I know I've said on the show before, 146 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: but it bears repeating, there would be a chorus of 147 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: people on the right to oppose this. There simply isn't 148 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: that same chorus on the left. Now, I'm willing to 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: be corrected, but has anybody on the left said anything 150 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: about Taylor Lorenz saying this kind of thing? Has anybody 151 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: said this is insane, we shouldn't have it. Has any 152 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: CNN employee said, this is inappropriate to have on our station. 153 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: I will not stand for it. Where are these people? 154 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: Did anyone in the many layers of editing a CNN go, 155 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: are we sure what we're getting out of this interview? 156 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 157 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 1: Nobody did. And this is the thing about coverage of 158 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: political violence, which I've been tracking for years as you have. 159 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: I think it really came to a head after the 160 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: shooting of Gabby Giffords when I watched in real time 161 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: time as the press alchemized this man into a right 162 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: leaning Palin supporter who had been driven specifically by a 163 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: piece of campaign literature with a target shaped shape on it, 164 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: and that this was what had happened. None of that 165 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: was true, and years the New York Times repeated it 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago, in error. And I 167 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: watched that in real time, and I thought, this, this 168 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: feels different. Although it turns out it wasn't that revolutionary, 169 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: because back during the Kennedy assassination, the press largely went 170 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: along with the lie that the right wing stew of 171 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: sentiment in Dallas was actually what got Kennedy killed instead 172 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: of the Kami who had defected and had come to 173 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 1: actually murder him. So it's been happened. It's happened a lot, 174 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: but it is so frustrating to watch them sort of 175 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: delete all lefty violence or turn it into right wing 176 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 1: violence right and then the other side gets completely different standards. 177 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: I'm very worried about this. I mean, the fact that 178 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: Trump has had two assassination attempts, active assassination attempts on 179 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: his life. I just can't see that this gets better 180 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: an attimp soon because of this kind of Again, you 181 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: can't blame rhetoric, but like you said, if you're celebrating 182 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 2: this murderer so openly as handsome and revolutionary and famous 183 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: and a morally good man, you are going to create copycats. 184 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: It sure makes it look attractive. Yes. And speaking of 185 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: political violence, just this week, we have two more examples, 186 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: one really bad. In Harrisburg, PA. A man scaled an 187 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: iron security fence in the middle of the night, eluded police, 188 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: and broke into the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion, where he set 189 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: a fire that left significant damage and forced Governor Josh Shapiro, 190 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: his family, and guests to evacuate the building. Authority said Sunday. 191 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: The man captured later that day will face charges of 192 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: attempted murdered, terrorism, aggravated arson, and aggravated assault, authorities said. 193 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: Shapiro said he his wife, has four children, two dogs, 194 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: and another family had celebrated the Jewish holiday and Passover 195 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: at the residence on Saturday and were awakened by state 196 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: troopers pounding on their doors at about two am Sunday. 197 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: They fled, firefighters took care of it. No one was injured. 198 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: We have a little bit of Shapiro, who is the 199 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: popular Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, talking about this incident. 200 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 5: Don't know the person's specific motive yet, but we do 201 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 5: know a few truths. First, this type of violence is 202 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: not okay. This kind of violence is becoming far too 203 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 5: common in our society, and I don't give a damn 204 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 5: if it's coming from one particular side or the other, 205 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 5: directed it one particular party or another, or one particular 206 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 5: person or another. It is not okay, and it has 207 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 5: to stop. We have to be better than this. We 208 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 5: have a responsibility to all be better. 209 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: I get that it's a very tough moment for him, 210 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: and I don't want to criticize anything, but he is 211 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: a very mild mannered man, and not okay is really 212 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: just the bottom of it. It has to be more 213 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: than just not okay. I wish he had said that 214 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: we have to hold this kind of violence, not just 215 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: this kind of violence, but all political violence really accountable 216 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: under the law, and that these people need to be 217 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and we 218 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: have to treat it much more seriously than we're treating it. 219 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: To his credit, he has been consistent and had a 220 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: good statement immediately after the butler attempted assassination of Donald Trump, 221 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: and he was much better than other Democrats on his 222 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: rhetoric about that, which I very much appreciated at the time. 223 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm so glad his family's safe. The damage looks very bad. 224 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: What we know about the perpetrator is is Cody Allan 225 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: Balmer thirty eight. His mother says that he is bipolar 226 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: and schizophrenic and off his meds. Obviously, the timing with 227 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: passover seems suspicious to be an interesting part of this. 228 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: His social media shows general dislike of politicians Biden and 229 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Trump came in for criticisms on his social media and 230 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: basic and an actual quote is like everyone sucks. But 231 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: he specifically clearly had animus toward Shapiro and we'll find 232 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: out more about that. But again, there's this sort of 233 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: idea floating around on X today that's like, oh, the 234 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: conservatives are so mad when Tesla's are set on fire, 235 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: but they have nothing to say. Now that's not true. 236 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 2: Yeahly, my whole timeline is. 237 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Uniformly yeah, people saying this unacceptable. We cannot have it right, I. 238 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: Would say more passionately than Governor Shapiro. 239 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: In some cases. Maybe we also have this story out 240 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin that what I wanted to note, which could 241 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: you could miss because generally these are not covered as 242 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: extensively as threats to democratic politicians, which is part of 243 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: the issue. A wisconsintine killed his parents to obtain the 244 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: financial means and autonomy necessary to assassinate President Donald Trump, authorities, 245 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: alleged in a recently released Federal affid David the FBI 246 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: the David Shed's light new light on the case against 247 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: Nikita Kisup, seventeen, accused of killing his mother, Tatiana thirty 248 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: five and stepfather Donald Mayor, fifty one, whose bodies were 249 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: found in the family's Waukesha home in February. Because it 250 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: faces two counts of first degree murder, two counts of 251 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: hiding a corpse, and theft among other charges in their deaths. 252 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: So that's three brewing or attempted assassination right on Trump, 253 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: plus the one by the Iranians. It's bad, feel good, guys, No, it. 254 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: Doesn't, because murders bad should be the bottom rung of 255 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: the ladder of our agreement. It should be something that 256 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: we're all on board with. This idea that I just 257 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: feel like is becoming more prevalent that you could just 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: kill whoever you disagree with is not good. Not good. 259 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Well, and like I said, you know, being careful to 260 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: draw the lines between rhetoric and acts. We do have 261 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: this like ladder that has been constructed that says, well, 262 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: your words are violence, and therefore my retaliation to those words, 263 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: to my bodily safety can be violence. That's what you 264 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: see as the justification on every college campus when all 265 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: of this turns bad, they go, well, like you were 266 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: endangering me with your words, that's right, right, yeah, and 267 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: that just creates a real bad cycle. 268 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 269 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: I would love some even handed like yelling at the 270 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: people doing this, even handed reporting on it, yes, or 271 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: even handed. 272 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, even handed, don't do this kind of thing from Democrats. 273 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: I keep saying that the Democratic politicians have been just 274 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: inadequate on putting this kind of violent rhetoric down. And 275 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: again I don't see from the left this kind of 276 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: self policing that we would absolutely see on the right. 277 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: They have to do it. We can't do it for them, 278 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: They have to do it for themselves, and. 279 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: We should note. I don't know if I noted on 280 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: this podcast that the attempted assassin of Brett Kavanaugh was 281 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: putt it guilty last week. Again, not a huge story, 282 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: but his attempt came in the wake of all of 283 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: the rhetoric post Dobb's decision being leaked, and his motive 284 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: was specifically because of the Dobs decision. Luckily he did 285 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: not make it to Kavanaugh's house. But like it's a 286 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: it's a bad scene out there, and you've got a 287 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: guy like Schumer who's the head of the party saying 288 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: these these specific Supreme Court members should reap the whirlwind 289 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: of their decisions. 290 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: That's right, that's just it's an unacceptable way to speak. 291 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: And Taylor standing it also she. 292 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: Uses the phrase standing on CNN when nobody listening knows 293 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: what she's talking about, and it's like slang from a 294 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: long time ago at this point. 295 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: So I actually I love that. I was thinking the 296 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: exact same thing is She's like, she's she's trying to 297 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: look like a young commentator, but she's using this word 298 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: that is quite outdated at this point for the for 299 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: the youngs at any rate. 300 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's again. I want to see people opposing it. 301 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: If I haven't seen, and you have, and you've seen 302 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 2: leftists coming out against Taylor Lorenz, please send it in. Yes, 303 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: let us know, you know, normally the pod at gmail 304 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: dot com. Let us know and we will correct it. 305 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: But so far, I haven't seen any of that. Man, 306 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally. We talked about Donald 307 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: Trump inviting Bill Maher to the White House and it 308 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: was set up by Kid Rock. I said, Chris Rock 309 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: the last time, not Chris Rock. Kid Rock makes a 310 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: lot more sense. He made it happen and he had 311 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 2: them sit down, and Mayor Bill Maher on his show 312 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: this weekend, talked about how much he enjoyed meeting Donald Trump. 313 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: People didn't like that. That is something his some people, 314 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: some members of his audience did not enjoy. 315 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: Do we have that, Yeah, we have one minute of 316 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: him chatting a little bit about what he found in 317 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: his meeting with Donald. 318 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: Trump moving Israel's embassy to Jerusalem. Loved it. The border 319 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 4: did need to be controlled. I'm glad the cops are 320 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: getting them a rale back DEI had gone too far. 321 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: Biological men shouldn't be playing women's sports. Europe should pay 322 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: for their defense. And of course it makes sense that 323 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 4: Arab countries should take in Arab refugees, like the million 324 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 4: Syrians who wound up in Germany. When Saudi Arabia took none. 325 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: He said to me, you're right, they took none. I said, well, 326 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: you should remind your boyfriend in Saudi Arabia that the 327 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 4: next time you see him. 328 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 3: He left. 329 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 4: I never felt I had to walk on eggshells around him, 330 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: And honestly, I voted for Clinton and Obama, but I 331 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 4: would never feel comfortable talking to them the way I 332 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 4: was able to talk with Donald Trump. That's just how 333 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: it went down. 334 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to say I completely agree that Donald 335 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: Trump is himself and that is the thing that makes 336 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: so many people drawn to him. All the issues and 337 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: stuff are kind of a side note to the fact 338 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: that he makes people feel like they're talking to a 339 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: real person and not a political minded caricature, which a 340 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: lot of these politicians are. They don't let down their guard. 341 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: It's what makes him so appealing. And so I completely 342 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: understand what Bimar's talking about. Trump is super charming, super personable, 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 2: but again beyond all that, he is real and that 344 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 2: is a drop well. 345 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: And he notes our notes throughout this, like he did 346 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: a twelve minute description of it, which is worth watching. 347 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: The whole thing. That he brought a list of insults 348 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: that Trump had doled out to him specifically to sign, 349 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: and then he holds up the list of insults and 350 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: Trump has signed it for him, as Trump of course 351 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: would do right right, He brought up several agreements with him, 352 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: joked about several things with him, and felt comfortable doing that. 353 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: His takeaway was like, I wish that this guy, who 354 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: doesn't seem as agitated as the guy I see in 355 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: public or in negotiations with other countries, would be around 356 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: more often. Like this guy's affable, this guy is willing 357 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: to listen to other viewpoints. And I think this is 358 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: what Democrats missed about Trump from the very beginning. Yeah, 359 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: if they had normalized Trump in twenty seventeen, and gone 360 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: into the Oval office and talked to him. Yeah, things 361 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: they wanted done, like he would have done many of 362 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: those things because he, in many ways is a New 363 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: York City, big city nineteen nineties. Democrats Still, yeah, they 364 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't take that chance. 365 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: No, they didn't because they could not. They did not 366 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 2: want to be seen as finding common ground with Donald Trump, 367 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 2: which is what Bill Maher is taking a risk here 368 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: doing that himself, although he is kind of known as 369 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: to be a little contrarian and a little different. But 370 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 2: Democrats did not allow themselves to get wins on the 371 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: board because that would mean that they were friends with 372 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and you just couldn't have that. And an 373 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: example that I use over and over again is Kim 374 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: Kardashian understood that lesson. She yes to the White House, 375 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: she posed for pictures, she got what she wanted, and 376 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Democrats couldn't figure out a way to do that. 377 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: You know who also did is Van Jones on the 378 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: First Steps Act, which was a major criminal justice reform 379 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: that he wanted implemented and that he knew Trump was convincible. 380 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: Like this is if you meet with the man, you 381 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: get more chances. He's actually not super ideological as for 382 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: you and me is sometimes right right, But they never 383 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: did that. Interestingly, another Democrat took a chance on doing 384 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: that this week. That democrat is twenty twenty eight hopeful 385 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: and up and comer in the Democratic Party Governor of Michigan, 386 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer. 387 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: Well, gretch Oh, Gretchen. 388 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: She came to the White House to talk about tariffs 389 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: because from her point of view, as a Democrat from Michigan, 390 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: where auto workers would like to have more jobs in Michigan, 391 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: this message is one that fits with her pitch. So 392 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: she comes to talk about this narrow issue meet with 393 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: the President. She thought, I believe that she was getting 394 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: a one on one, and she got a little bit 395 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: of that. But then she got invited to the Oval Office. 396 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: And when she was invited to the Oval Office, it 397 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: wasn't just to sit down in the Oval Office. Yeah, 398 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: which it's unclear how much she knew about what this 399 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: was going to look like. So she walks into the 400 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: Oval Office in her signature look by the way, which 401 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: is a questionable hoodie with a blazer over it. That's 402 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: like her thing, and I think she was wearing it there. Anyway, 403 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: she comes in, he starts signing executive orders because he 404 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: does that all the time. He's got the press in 405 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: the room, he's doing his rolling commentary as he always does, 406 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: and Gretchen Whitmer finds herself in the room thinking, oh, no, 407 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: Democrats and liberals are going to hate that. I'm here, 408 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: and here I am in this situation where he's, you know, 409 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: making criticisms. I don't necessarily agree with executive orders. I 410 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: don't agree with And she did the worst thing possible, Carol, 411 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: and that. 412 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 2: Was so embarrassing. She covered go ahead, yeah, yeah, which. 413 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: Is her face with her binders right in the Oval 414 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: office while a New York Times photographer was taking her photo. 415 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: She can't see them, they can't see her. 416 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: She tried to like shrink into the doorway and pretend 417 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: that she's not there, and look, I don't know. Yeah, 418 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's career wasn't ended the fires and the response 419 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: to them in California, so she may escape this. But 420 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: that was one of the most instantaneously instantaneous downgrades of 421 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: an up and coming politician I've ever seen. 422 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild. It just it was so unmature. 423 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: It was it made no sense. What did she think 424 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: was going to happen. They weren't going to take that 425 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 2: picture of her. They're like, oh, well, we can't see 426 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: her face, so we won't run these pictures. Instead, everybody 427 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: ran pictures of her covering her face with her binder. 428 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: It was just humiliating. I don't know how she recovers 429 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: from that. I don't think she's got a shot in 430 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: the next presidential election. I think that she is She 431 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: is that person. She's that person who thinks that she 432 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: can cover her face with the binder. And I just 433 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: don't see her being appealing to people. I don't like 434 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: avenuesom at all. I think that he's snaky in a 435 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 2: lot of ways, but he appeals to people, and he's 436 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 2: person in a way that she just isn't. And I 437 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: don't know, I just don't. I don't see a future 438 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: for her. 439 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: I think she's overestimated, Like I've never gotten it totally, 440 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: and I don't understand the appeal. And I've always thought, like, 441 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: why aren't people mad at her for letting her husband 442 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: go get his boat out of storage while everyone else 443 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: was told that they had to stay home during. 444 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: Cod not allowing selling seeds. 445 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: Classic So I think she's overestimated and I think this 446 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: shows that my gut was maybe right on that, because 447 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: I liken this to if you fall in the middle 448 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: school hallway, right, like, everybody's going to point and laugh 449 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: at you, because it's middle school, and like, if everyone's 450 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: already pointing and laughing, well, yeah, the worst thing you 451 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: can do is like, I'm just gonna pretend no one 452 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: can see me. The actual, the actual thing to do 453 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: is to own it and stand up and do a 454 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: dramatic bow right back at your Yeah, who laughed at yourself? 455 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: And like, if she had just leaned in, this would 456 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: have looked so much better and she would have gotten 457 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: something out of it, probably from Trump exactly. 458 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 2: He would enjoy that. Look, this is the advice I 459 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: give my kids to laugh at yourself, and then people 460 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: will have a harder time laughing at you. So yeah, 461 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: well yeah, take that advice, miss Whitmer. 462 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: She's now a meme. 463 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right 464 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: back with normally. Our last topic is there was a 465 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: piece in the Atlantic by Elizabeth Brunneck about a pro 466 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: natalism conference and how the right wing is very interested 467 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: in getting people to procreate because our population is decreasing 468 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: and our birth rate is low and all of that. 469 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: But the key part of that story I saw this 470 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 2: on X and I just want to read a little 471 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 2: bit from this piece is why liberals can't say that 472 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: this is a problem. So quote. Liberals are reluctant to 473 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: wade into these matters. Talking about families may imply a 474 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: critique of other people's choices. Alice Evans, senior lecturer in 475 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: International Development in King's College, London, recently told me me 476 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: being grunnick, Some may believe, mistakenly, in my opinion, that 477 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: conceding that having children is good and ought to be 478 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 2: encouraged requires conceding that not having children is bad and 479 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 2: ought to be punished a kind of discrimination. And others 480 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 2: may be repelled by the growing association between the subject 481 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: the birth rates, and the political right, forming a kind 482 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: of feedback loop in which liberals avoid the topic because 483 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 2: it seems like a right wing fixation, thereby strength and 484 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: the existing association further. Whatever the source of liberal and 485 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: attention yielding to the far right, the notion that humanity 486 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: or ought to persist on this earth strikes me as absurd. Yeah, 487 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: uh huh. While they catch themselves in this kind of thing, 488 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: all the time, they end up having to say absurd 489 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: things because the right says that this and we have 490 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: to impose it. So it's interesting that having children is 491 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: good is something that the left can't say because it 492 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: implies and not having children is bad, which of course 493 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: it doesn't, but that's how they see the world. 494 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Bernick is right, the idea that perpetuating 495 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: the species is inherently good and infect largely the reason 496 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: we're here. Guys. If you can't say that, how do 497 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: you speak to normal people? And that's that's the well 498 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: we have senced themselves in to this weird academic world 499 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: that does not have a lot of relation to regular people. 500 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: And that's why when you see Donald Trump and you're like, well, 501 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: that guy's weird. Why do these people think that the 502 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: normy vote should be for him? And it's because you 503 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: guys made yourselves weird or right? Yeah, And to your 504 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: point earlier, he he seems like himself. He's not fenced 505 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: in by a bunch of requirements on his speech, right, 506 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: he doesn't listen to other people sometimes to his detriment, 507 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: on how he should talk about issues. And these guys 508 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: have just really handicapped themselves right, And the thing is that. 509 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: They only have some language they can use describe why 510 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: this is happening. They obviously can't say that, like you know, 511 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: the right says what women working outside the home has 512 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: been has led to some of this because there's nobody 513 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: home with the kids and it's harder and you have 514 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: to hire somebody and. 515 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: All of that. 516 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: They can't say any of that, so and they can't 517 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: even entertain that. So they end up arguing that you 518 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: need more federal funding for this kind of thing, But 519 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: that just proves shows that it's not the case in 520 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: so many places where there is more spending. Yeah, look 521 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: at Europe, look at Canada, and you have all the 522 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: things that the left says will lead to birth rate exploding, 523 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: but it hasn't happened. So I think if the left 524 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: gave themselves permission to sometimes somewhat agree with the right, 525 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: which again, you don't need this on the right, you 526 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 2: have this all the time. You have like no, I 527 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: agree with my leftist friend on one, two, and three, 528 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: and that's okay, But your leftist friend can never agree 529 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: with you on anything. That's a problem, and that's a 530 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: problem for them. 531 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: Mostly well, and I think also there's a couple of 532 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: things here. We have icky facts that they cannot acknowledge 533 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: because they then feel like they're coded right if they 534 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: acknowledge the icky facts. But the exactly is that you 535 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 1: need a bunch of children to perpetuate exactly the kind 536 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: of social spending that they want to do. You can't 537 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: do that without people. I know that they think the 538 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: government can create resources, but actually people have to create 539 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: resources and then you can appropriate them from those people. 540 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: And then the other thing is that they never consider 541 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: and I think Brunick has spoken to this before. Liberal women, 542 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: liberal single women are some of the most unhappy in 543 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: every survey that there is of American of the American voter, 544 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: an American adult, And some of that I think is 545 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: just because their ideological strictures don't allow them to say, 546 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: maybe this path is good for me, right, Like it's 547 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: embarrassing for them to want that. It wasn't embarrassing for 548 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: us to want that because our peers think it's great 549 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: and fine. Yeah, right, And I think you get yourself 550 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: stuck not thinking about it and then getting to a 551 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: point in your life where you're like a little late 552 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: to the game, and it gets very stressful and hard, 553 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: and then you're then you're at the pro natalist conference 554 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: where no one can speak about children. That's right. 555 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: You know it's okay to say I want my husband 556 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 2: to come deal with a spider in the box downstairs. 557 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's it, okay, I'm not ashamed. 558 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally. 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