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Speaker 1: What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Up Podcast. Uh, I know we told

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Speaker 1: you we're gonna do a second half preview for this one.

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Speaker 1: Me and James completely forgot we already did that. I

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Speaker 1: think once the Mets hit eighty one eighty two games

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Speaker 1: played in the season, I'm almost ninety nine percent sure

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Speaker 1: we did the second half preview already, so it'd be

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Speaker 1: really redundant and honestly a little bit weird for us

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Speaker 1: to go through and do that all over again. That

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Speaker 1: being said, we're gonna talk about the Mets still, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about David Wright retirement. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a leak that came out. Shout

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Speaker 1: out at LB for a little bit of David Wright leak.

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Speaker 1: We got some media marvel things to go over, and

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Speaker 1: of course we're gonna talk about the Cincinnati Red Series

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Speaker 1: coming up this weekend. Guys, before we do get going

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Speaker 1: we kind of made this a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: audible here last second before we started here, James, where

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Speaker 1: do we want to go? Where do we want to

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Speaker 1: lead off this podcast?

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Speaker 2: I still think in general, like it's nice to take

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Speaker 2: this step back frame again. Two week two and a

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Speaker 2: half weeks ago, we did do like here's with the

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Speaker 2: Mets are halfway point the season. We did that kind

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Speaker 2: of just be different because not a lot of other

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Speaker 2: people were doing halfway stuff because that was the actual

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Speaker 2: halfway point. Is now actually the beginning of the second half.

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Speaker 2: We just had the All Star break. We just watched

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Speaker 2: the home run derby an All Star game. But like

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Speaker 2: this is proverbally we are now actually entering the second

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Speaker 2: half of the season. Like there is a shift. The

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Speaker 2: momentum has stops for every team in the league. We're

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Speaker 2: about to restart all of it. This is the first

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Speaker 2: time in the whole baseball season where you can actually

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Speaker 2: like take a step back, like take a breath, really

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Speaker 2: think about these things. Now that we've gone a few

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Speaker 2: days without the Mets being on television, so think it

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Speaker 2: is still a fair time to kind of take stock

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Speaker 2: of who this team is, where they are, and where

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Speaker 2: we hope they get to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if we look at the standings right now,

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Speaker 1: the Mets are I don't even know how this happens.

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Speaker 1: At the All Star break, how the Mets have played

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Speaker 1: one less game than the Phillies, which kind of.

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Speaker 2: Just right random scheduling that one game makes sense, But

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Speaker 2: some of the teams that have played like four different ments,

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Speaker 1: That's crazy even objectively speaking, Like how are we all

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Speaker 1: rainouts maybe that's the case. But anyway, we are half

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Speaker 1: a game back in the division fifty five and forty two.

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Speaker 1: The Phillies are fifty five and forty one. We are

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Speaker 1: two and a half games up of the last wildcard spots,

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Speaker 1: So technically the Mets are in the playoffs right now

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Speaker 1: look at the run differential plus forty five, Mets, despite

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Speaker 1: The pitching wild is cooled off a little bit, still,

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Speaker 1: fine spot, and especially because the Mets play games at home,

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Speaker 1: especially this upcoming weekend, we know the Mets are even

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Speaker 2: Who could ever say a team doesn't play a real schedule.

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Speaker 2: Every's baseball. Every team plays every team the same amount

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Speaker 1: There's people inside this own fan base that still don't

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Speaker 1: and the Mets have beaten good teams. They played down

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about the top of the show,

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Speaker 1: I feel as if I'm feeling withdraw. I'm like we

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Speaker 1: I've had a full forty eight hours of no baseball.

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Speaker 1: It feels insane.

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Speaker 2: I got nothing to do tomorrow. I think I might

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Speaker 2: it's I think this team is honestly somewhere between where

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Speaker 2: Like there's obviously some holes to plug up. We've gotten

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Speaker 2: that don't expect the Mets to make a huge move,

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what inside of Robert Murray told us

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Speaker 2: if not, definitely listening up some great insights on how

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Speaker 2: But we're probably going to just wind up making lots

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let whoever is playing better win that competition. I agree, like,

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Speaker 1: give these guys their chances. They've had half a season

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Speaker 1: so far. Weirdly, they're all still kind of relatively around

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Speaker 1: each other. Hitting wise. I think Mauricio has really separated

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Speaker 1: He's sitting the ball so damn hard. He's someone who

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Speaker 1: But between Mark Vientos, Brett Batty, Ronnie Maurizio, and even

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Speaker 1: guy who you have to continue to play. And that

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Speaker 1: think and I hope that the Mets do just kind

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Speaker 2: And a lot of things can still change into two

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Speaker 2: Like this this league, this team, this game does move

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to happen right after the All star break,

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Speaker 2: a Friday's game, So I think, yeah, would that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: That's also the time right to get the extra year

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Speaker 2: waiting on that that extension Hector Gome has promised us

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Speaker 2: this point, but with this team's home grown as fuck.

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Speaker 1: Really, with when.

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Speaker 2: Francisco Alparez is in this lineup, that means every single

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Speaker 2: day we will have seven homegrown players in the line up.

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Speaker 2: On most days it will be Nimo Alonzo, McNeil, Fientos,

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Speaker 2: Mauricio for ciscoua Olva's Brett Baby. The only two non

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Speaker 2: homegrown guys are the two superstars Francisco Anddoor and wants though,

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Speaker 2: and that is literally the exact recipe that was outlined

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Speaker 2: Stern and just Steve Cohen, that we've outlined back to

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Speaker 2: you guys, like that's kind of the plan. That's the

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Speaker 2: way to build the most successful team. You bring up

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Speaker 2: So I think that before I'll say it again, two

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Speaker 2: of those guys just have to be dudes. Alvarez, Beati,

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Speaker 2: Mauricio Vanzos, two of those guys have to start pulling

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Speaker 1: I also think too that Albertz's return, along with maybe

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Speaker 1: going to help guys like Tyrone Taylor and Louis Torenz

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Speaker 1: obvious Tyrone cannot be playing every single day defensively, He's phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: it's been a bad offensive season for Tyrone. The ops

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Speaker 1: But at the worst case he's Tyrone Taylor.

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Speaker 2: That's I'm saying, what you have Tyrone Taylor, So you

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Speaker 1: Is he ever coming back?

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard shit. No one said anything there was

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Speaker 1: You probably get sent down. I think that's probably what

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Speaker 2: Sure, But I don't Louise, how many, what kind of

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Speaker 1: Mark Viento's in the Jeremy Rodriguez, I don't know I

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Speaker 2: I think that they're dying to trade again. Like we

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Speaker 1: My bad take is I think they're going to give

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Speaker 1: Blade one more chance through that rotation before they even

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Speaker 1: consider McLain or Sprote, even though I think me and

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Speaker 1: because you should. Those guys give the Mets a better

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised if it's two through their rotation if

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Speaker 1: It's especially because Clay Holmes walks guys and doesn't isn't

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Speaker 1: For sure. I'll be quite upset if the Mets don't

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Speaker 2: second thing that you talk about that David Robertson's only

435
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Speaker 2: willing to pitch for a few teams, because why would

436
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Speaker 2: David Robertson. I think he's forty now thirty nine forty.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, down there their late thirties, early forty.

438
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to go to spring training if

439
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Speaker 2: I'm forty and I'm David Robinson, I don't want to

440
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,120
Speaker 2: even risk signing for a team that might suck, because

441
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Speaker 2: then like a situation that's saying the Mets traded him

442
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,560
Speaker 2: a few years ago, that might be a saburtations in

443
00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 2: his mouth too, or it might be like sorry, honestly,

444
00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 2: like we suck, it's all we're going too good. Who

445
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Speaker 2: end up sucking and wanted to get you to a

446
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Speaker 2: playoff push. I don't even want to risk not being

447
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,040
Speaker 2: on a playoff push in the city I actually want

448
00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,919
Speaker 2: to live. And if I'm David Robinson, so if he

449
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,159
Speaker 2: just wants in Miami, as I'm saying, if he just

450
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Speaker 2: wants to pitch twenty innings at the end of the

451
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Speaker 2: year with the contender of his choosing for a few

452
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,439
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars, like that's what's what's the problem with that?

453
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Speaker 2: That's like, that's not a bad situation for him. I

454
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,080
Speaker 2: also just a guy that old who hasn't pitched all season.

455
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Speaker 2: I don't know which David Robertson I'm expecting to get

456
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Speaker 2: at this point the season, Like, I don't know if

457
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Speaker 2: you can really count on again for the year old

458
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Speaker 2: David Robertson who hasn't pitched competitively in almost a calendar

459
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Speaker 2: year to walk into the back end of a bullpen

460
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Speaker 2: and be like an actual troop set up guy.

461
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Speaker 1: Can I can I throw a name at you for

462
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Speaker 1: a reliever? I think I've done it before, but maybe

463
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Speaker 1: just in a different context now. Is Kyle Finigan have

464
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Speaker 1: any interest in the national's got to be moving on

465
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Speaker 1: from him? Is he someone who you would trust to

466
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Speaker 1: pitch a seventh or eighth inning for the Mets in

467
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Speaker 1: big games?

468
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Speaker 2: By any chance, I would Finigans. Again, Finnigin's a good reliever.

469
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Speaker 2: He's not a great reliever, but he's a reliever that

470
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Speaker 2: you're just not getting that many strikeouts from Kyle Finnigan,

471
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I feel like Kyle

472
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Speaker 2: Finnigan's a like I think Kyle Finnigan's is the opposite

473
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Speaker 2: kind of relieve that David Stearns chops. For Kyle Finnigan,

474
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Speaker 2: you're buying formed, previous saves rather than like future performance.

475
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Speaker 2: But again maybe, and there's something about it also, like, Yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: if I'm going to get like an experienced reliever that's

477
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Speaker 2: not great, I'd rather good one that's actually battle tested.

478
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,840
Speaker 2: Like as many years as Calvinigans pitched and close to

479
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 2: this national team, they've never been good. So it's like

480
00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 2: there actually hasn't ever been any pressure any of the

481
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Speaker 2: huge moments, like I think the big moment into the field,

482
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Speaker 2: like I don't know. Like we're still getting to the

483
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Speaker 2: spot where we don't know who is selling. And that's

484
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Speaker 2: the most fascinating part of this trade deadline. There are

485
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Speaker 2: so many teams that are trapped in the middle. We

486
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Speaker 2: don't know what they're going to do. Like the Red

487
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 2: Sox were a seller. Now they just ripped off a

488
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Speaker 2: ten game win streak. The Orioles are like olmost ten

489
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Speaker 2: games over five hundred since the beginning of June. Like,

490
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Speaker 2: I think they're going to sell, but I just think

491
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Speaker 2: they want pieces for next year. The Twins suck stay

492
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Speaker 2: but they're too good to sell, I think because because

493
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Speaker 2: you only really have to win eighty five games to

494
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Speaker 2: reach the playoffs the American League. If the Guardians want

495
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Speaker 2: to sell off some of the pieces in their bullpen,

496
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Speaker 2: I think that'd be super interesting. But we're not getting

497
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Speaker 2: Class A. And then after that it's like you're getting

498
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Speaker 2: guys with some team controls. Well know how much you're

499
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Speaker 2: paying for relief for a team control, Like maybe you

500
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Speaker 2: can sneak your way into this. Just say, I don't

501
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Speaker 2: even know who are going to get. Like Kate Smith's

502
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Speaker 2: one of the best leaders in baseball. To him, Hunter

503
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 2: Gadis also my best leaders in base But both those

504
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 2: guys one year service time and you're not close to

505
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Speaker 2: getting them, Like you could get Jacob Junas who's playing

506
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Speaker 2: on like a couple of million dollar deal, but I

507
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Speaker 2: don't even think he's been that effective, Like.

508
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Speaker 1: The how much better is he than like just giving

509
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Speaker 1: Oastcar Braselba on the keys for like the seventh inning

510
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Speaker 1: or something like that.

511
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like it's very hard to find

512
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Speaker 2: the obvious answer for bullpen before we have obvious sellers

513
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Speaker 2: like the Diamondbacks of the one team that teams are

514
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 2: really interesting. Yeah, hopefully these teams sells a lot of talent.

515
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Speaker 2: None of the talents in their fucking bullpen besides Kevin Ginkel.

516
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Speaker 1: How were do you think they were when Aujdeo Suarez

517
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Speaker 1: got hit in the hand last night?

518
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 2: I like there was like ten different fan base that

519
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 2: went fuck the second that second he got plunked by

520
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 2: Shane Smith in the All Star Game. But it's just

521
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Speaker 2: there's something. It's this market is so weird and again

522
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Speaker 2: so obviously going to be us going for relievers. I

523
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Speaker 2: trust that Davis starts working those phones and you know what,

524
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Speaker 2: you had great made a great trade to Peter Bendix

525
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: last year. I'm sure that's a place that we go first,

526
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: that Marlin's bullpen actually has tons of interesting guys. Iron

527
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Speaker 2: my hands on, Anthony Bender Ronnie Henriquez, those are two.

528
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Speaker 2: I'll put this war that those are two great relievers.

529
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Speaker 2: I really did Jamesiano say of greatness? Those are two

530
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Speaker 2: awesome relievers. And then, I mean, Luke Bacher is not horrible.

531
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Speaker 2: Calf Lake mcpatcher I thought was Luke Backer.

532
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Speaker 1: Now Lake Backer. He was a football player that became

533
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Speaker 1: a baseball player, which is even crazier because he's thirty

534
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Speaker 1: and he has no service time at all, so that

535
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Speaker 1: like he he is the Wasscar bros Oban of this

536
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Speaker 1: year if I've ever seen one, a thirty year old

537
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Speaker 1: who's kind of just getting started and he'll never get

538
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Speaker 1: to decide what team he plays for or how much

539
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Speaker 1: money he makes.

540
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Speaker 2: Somehow, Ronnie Henriquez has zero minor league options but only

541
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Speaker 2: a tenth of a year of service time. What doesn't

542
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Speaker 2: make any sense.

543
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been in professional baseball, been professional baseball

544
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Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen.

545
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Speaker 2: Now he just got good. He's weird. And again those

546
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Speaker 2: are two good. Those are fucking good relievers. I think

547
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Speaker 2: that that's where you start to shop. But it's just

548
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Speaker 2: nothing is really obvious right now, which is good. That's

549
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Speaker 2: not obvious to us because we're not in charge of

550
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Speaker 2: the New York Mets. No, that's super good. So I

551
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Speaker 2: I'm very confident David Stearns is finding actively identifying these

552
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 2: relievers to gets. I think that is going to really

553
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: determine this entire randomout conversation. What happened to the Mets

554
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: in the second half. How many relievers can you add

555
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: to this bullpen at the trade deadline, and whether or

556
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Speaker 2: not you get one of these minor league pitchers to

557
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Speaker 2: become like a real sixth starter for us down the stretch.

558
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Speaker 1: Last thing I mentioned before, oh go go Well, I was.

559
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Speaker 2: Gonna tell us the time is still running out to

560
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Speaker 2: get these guys up because you have to get their

561
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Speaker 2: feet wet sooner rather than later, because I don't want

562
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Speaker 2: they can't debut in September in Philadelphia.

563
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Speaker 1: You can't.

564
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Speaker 2: That can't happen. You have to pitch in August against

565
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Speaker 2: the Nationals to pitch in September in Philadelphia, Like you

566
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: have to work your way up to these roles, So

567
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Speaker 2: I really do hope that that's something that is in consideration.

568
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Speaker 2: If it's in consideration at all, maybe they're just not

569
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Speaker 2: expecting them to pitch the season.

570
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because right now, looking at this bullpen, it's Edwin Diaz, Reid,

571
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Speaker 1: Garrett and broz Ubon I think are not going anywhere.

572
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Speaker 1: I think those are three guys that are a part

573
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Speaker 1: of this bullpen to the end of the year, barring

574
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Speaker 1: anything crazy. Right, And then, like, I don't think Standing's

575
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Speaker 1: job is guaranteed by any means.

576
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Speaker 2: Right, Definitely, death definitely not guaranteed.

577
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Speaker 1: Davinski's working his way into it. He might pitch some beginnings,

578
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Speaker 1: he might be a guy that rises into pitching some

579
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Speaker 1: bigger innings. But he's by no means guaranteed. Either he

580
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: is a bad week, he's gone.

581
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Speaker 2: He's the Mayton. He's not gone, but he's a four

582
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: himself some time now. But he's the Mayton. He's a

583
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Speaker 2: guy who I hope gets us there, but I don't

584
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Speaker 2: expect us him to be a guy to be with

585
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Speaker 2: us when we are there.

586
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Speaker 1: And then we have the three and this is again

587
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Speaker 1: part of the clob of chaos here where it's like

588
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 1: Richard Lovelady, Alex Correo and Brandon Waddell. And as much

589
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Speaker 1: as we like Carreo stuff, we kind of just are

590
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Speaker 1: still don't really know what's going on there. And Waddell

591
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Speaker 1: and love Lady, I don't think those are really capable

592
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Speaker 1: guys to be getting out on this team big moments

593
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Speaker 1: in the down the stretch. That being said, we do

594
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Speaker 1: have a lefty reliever coming back relatively soon as well

595
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Speaker 1: with Brooks Raley, and if he has the velos that

596
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Speaker 1: we've been seeing, a guy who can get back to

597
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Speaker 1: being that like load of mid nineties range. Brooks really

598
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: was so fucking good for this team a couple of

599
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: years ago before the injury. If he can come back

600
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Speaker 1: and be any sort of effective, that will change how

601
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Speaker 1: this bullpen looks a ton as well.

602
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Speaker 2: Yes, and after the six games and six days coming

603
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: out of the break, we basically have an off day

604
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Speaker 2: every single week for like five straight weeks. We have

605
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: three straight Thursdays off. We have a few monthdays off,

606
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Speaker 2: like until we get to later on in August and

607
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: we have that it's the four game series against the

608
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Speaker 2: Braves the Phillies. Until we get down to there, we

609
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: have three games series at home against the Braves, and

610
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Speaker 2: then then we have another off day after that. Actually,

611
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: so we do most of the white through August, we

612
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: have off days, so there is some time to figure

613
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Speaker 2: this out somewhat where we will have some rest built

614
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Speaker 2: into schedule. Don't exactly need a six star there, but

615
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Speaker 2: there's there's some room to work with.

616
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Speaker 1: We also forgot that Budo has been out for like

617
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Speaker 1: a week plus two with me.

618
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Speaker 2: Once he's going, he's going to be activated. I think

619
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Speaker 2: because he made some rehab. I think he pitched the

620
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Speaker 2: complex like this week. I think he's ready to come

621
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Speaker 2: back the seconds possible.

622
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Speaker 1: And he did look great though in his most recent outing,

623
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Speaker 1: So that's also massive for this bullpen. Is getting that

624
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Speaker 1: guy back Brooks Reli would be huge. I don't think

625
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Speaker 1: aj Minter is pitching again this year, but if for

626
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Speaker 1: some reason he were to come back late in the season,

627
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Speaker 1: that'd be great. Like the Mets definitely have had some

628
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Speaker 1: injuries to this bullpen, so I trust David Stearns to

629
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Speaker 1: make the decisions. But I will say, and that James

630
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: said too, I do think Mets fans are going to

631
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: be super, super super disappointed with what this deadline looks

632
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: like sadly.

633
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: There's almost no chance that we have the like the

634
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 2: big splash deadline, and we're going to watch the Phillies

635
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: probably get like Griffin Jacks or a manual class. Yeah, like,

636
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: we're gonna see the Phillies get probably the biggest impact

637
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 2: reliever that moves the deadline.

638
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 1: And they might also got Jared Duran.

639
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: I think that's the way to tie the bowens. The

640
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: conversation is that while we are very confident in this

641
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: Mets team, the Phillies are fucking sick.

642
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: Well they're going for it. I'm not gonna say they're

643
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: fucking sick. I'm not going there.

644
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: They are sick. They're a sick team. They're an awesome,

645
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: awesome team.

646
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: They have to get off your fucking Philly high horse. Here,

647
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: hold the phone a second. Their bullpen is legitimate, fucking garbage.

648
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Speaker 1: To figure it out. Maybe I don't know.

649
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Speaker 2: Dobrowski is a lunatic. He doesn't go into trade deadlines

650
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Speaker 2: ready to lose. Like he goes to trade deadlines ready

651
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Speaker 2: to do with every cat.

652
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Speaker 1: And while you say that their offensive is still kind

653
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Speaker 1: of weird, it is kind of weird. En it's schworeber Harper,

654
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Speaker 1: Trey Turner, otherwise they're getting They're getting nothing from any

655
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Speaker 1: of those other players, nothing at all.

656
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Speaker 2: So Balm also has like a seven fifty ops for

657
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Speaker 2: two and a half months trade. Turner has gone cold

658
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Speaker 2: since he had a really hot May, like Bryson Stott has.

659
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Speaker 1: What That's what I'm saying, Pat, I think I think

660
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: they're now they're starting pitching. You see, they're starting pitching,

661
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Speaker 1: and it's by far the best I'll get, hands down,

662
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Speaker 1: it's the best, far.

663
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Speaker 2: The best in baseball, I think exactly. I think one

664
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Speaker 2: through five they are.

665
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Speaker 1: They are, absolutely, but we know modern baseball, you still

666
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: got four more innings sometimes in these games.

667
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we can't again go ahead to

668
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Speaker 2: head possibly with this team beat them in the playoffs years.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that in terms of winning

670
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Speaker 2: a division, they're much better shoety to do it. We

671
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Speaker 2: need more things to break right for us to win division.

672
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Speaker 2: They need to break right for them to win division.

673
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Speaker 2: This is also with assuming that they do make these

674
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Speaker 2: big trades. If they don't make any trades, that's part

675
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: of my assumption. If that doesn't happen, this this assumption,

676
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: all this stuff changes, But I'm assuming that davidsk he does.

677
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Speaker 2: That's what he does. He makes big trades.

678
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: He's this is this is the classic year where he

679
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: tears down the Phillies farm system that he has built

680
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: up and goes for the big guys. Yeah, but Fornue

681
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: and they're gonna trade Alec Bohm for au Haaneo Suarez.

682
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Speaker 1: I do want that out there. That's gonna be what happens.

683
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Speaker 1: Alec Bohm plays first base for the Diamondbacks, they trade

684
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: Josh Naylor to the Mariners. Just watch it all happen.

685
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Speaker 2: All happen.

686
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're trading Bom.

687
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Speaker 2: You think they're trading Boone.

688
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Speaker 1: He sucks, He's terrible.

689
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I don' want I don't want

690
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Speaker 2: them to trade Bohm. I like them having Alec Oh.

691
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Speaker 1: I love them having Alec Bohm too. He's a complete

692
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: liability in the field and at the plate. He's gonna

693
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Speaker 1: hit a single every once in a while. So like,

694
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Speaker 1: I love playing him. But I think there are some

695
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Speaker 1: teams out there that will believe in I think the

696
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Speaker 1: dime Backs like, I'll take three years of Alc Boum

697
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: over thirty games of au Haaneo Suarez the rest of

698
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Speaker 1: the way, which is.

699
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Speaker 2: Totally fine, But I just don't get mad Mets fans

700
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Speaker 2: if we don't have a big treade dead look, because I'd.

701
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Speaker 1: Be shocked if we do, it's gonna happen, you know.

702
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Speaker 2: Actually, fuck you, I I get mad. Whatever you want.

703
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't do whatever you want, whatever you want. Yeah,

704
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: we're not gonna tell you how to get mad. That

705
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: being said, we will be annoying, and we will tell

706
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Speaker 1: you that we told you so, so just be aware.

707
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Speaker 2: That part of it will be true. And then I

708
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Speaker 2: want to do a quick media marvel before we do

709
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Speaker 2: I guess a double media marvel before we do the

710
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Speaker 2: preview the Red Series start talking Aboutdavid Wright a little bit.

711
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Speaker 2: That will be our transition once we get to the

712
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Speaker 2: back end of the segment. But shout out our guys

713
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: over foul Territory. Some great content this week in Atlanta

714
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: at the All Star Game. Just a parade of players, renouncers,

715
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: star like just stars around the game. One interview stuck

716
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Speaker 2: with me in particularly though, And I'm very happy that

717
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Speaker 2: they posted this clip and it's gone moderately viral because

718
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: it deserved to do so. John Smalltz everybody's favorite ambassador

719
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Speaker 2: of Major League Baseball Baseball. He just the guy loves

720
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: the modern game so much. You just really can't get

721
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: enough of the game that he's paid to cover and

722
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: the game that made him that he was amazing at,

723
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: that made the man he is. So I'm gonna pipe

724
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Speaker 2: in the clip right now, you guys listen with John

725
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: small said about the state of pitching and just pictures

726
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Speaker 2: in modern baseball.

727
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Speaker 3: Mark my words. When I'll give it three years, when

728
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Speaker 3: the generational three year pitchers, the great guys that we

729
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: know are gonna call it career here in the next

730
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: three years, You're never gonna see him again, the Verlanders,

731
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: the Kershaws, Adam Wainwright just retired. You're never gonna see

732
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: Charlie Morton, You're never gonna see Zach Wheeler. Like that,

733
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: to me, should be the narrative that organizations are going. Man,

734
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: we gotta find a way to reverse this narrative because

735
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: that commodity is getting shorter and shorter and shorter, and

736
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to replace it more more and more.

737
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no generational pitchure is I'm gonna be I'm gonna

738
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Speaker 1: be annoying and be Devil's advocate for a second. Is

739
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: there a chance he means there's no generational pitchers because

740
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: we know that Kershaw, Insurzer, and Verlander are Locke first

741
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: bout Hall of famers. Could that have been what he

742
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: meant or do you think that he actually means that, like, Oh,

743
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: we're never gonna see guys like this ever again, because

744
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: that's factually wrong. That is objectively wrong right now.

745
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Two sides of the same coin of what you're saying.

746
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: I think that it's kind of like the broken clocks

747
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: being right twice a day.

748
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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is true.

749
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Speaker 2: I don't know if for ever going to see pictures

750
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Speaker 2: again like verst Up I should say, I say Versha

751
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: and Kershaw and Shurezer, because those are three of the

752
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: most accomplished pictures in the history of baseball, like they

753
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: really are legitimately, Like you could talk about errors, you

754
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: could talk about generations, you could talk about complete game

755
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 2: shut outs, like back in my day they said throw

756
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: a nine every single start. No, like those three guys

757
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: that we got to watch through like us growing up,

758
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: whereas those are special dudes like I was watching last

759
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: week two weeks ago, Claint Gercier got the three thousand striker,

760
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: like I got emotional. I don't even I don't even

761
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: like the Dodgers. I don't hate the Dodgers. I don't

762
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: even like playing Gershaw. But like I remember some great

763
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: nights of watching those ten o'clock games with with my

764
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: buddies in college, like catching a Kershaw, start listening to Vincekeully,

765
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: like that's real, shiit, Like Max Sures there was the man.

766
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: Ferlander is the man, like that was Those those are

767
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: special pictures, so grim's not even in their categories though,

768
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: because I think something that Smalls was, like what he

769
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: was getting at is an old baseball ash that like

770
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: and I talked to my dad about this all the

771
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: time that in baseball the lord used to come from

772
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: your volume. Volume used to be the thing that was

773
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: like the coolest thing about like what the player did

774
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: in their careers. Peter Roach, the accumulation of stats, like

775
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: being out there for twenty fucking years and being good

776
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: for eighteen of them. I think that part of baseball

777
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: is gone, Yes, I do. Like we were just in

778
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: a spot right now where we know too much. We

779
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: know that appreciation, we know that young players are more

780
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: productive and better values than old players. Like Foolish Baseball

781
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: great video a few weeks ago, there's no more old

782
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: players because the teams just know that the old players

783
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: are much too expensive for the production they deliver. That's

784
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: that's true.

785
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: Jady Martinez played in nineteen seventy. Jady Martinez would be

786
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: hitting DH for whatever team he's playing for. I know

787
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: they didn't have the DH clean up. Yeah, and hitting

788
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: clean up until the day that he chooses he no

789
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: longer wants to play baseball, And I think that's part

790
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: of it that did That did bring more magical moments

791
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: and magical kinds of seasons from guys that we know

792
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: care about, like watching respect.

793
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: And all that, but dead. When Smalt continued the diatribe

794
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: and he started talking about Charlie Moore and Adam Wayne

795
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Wright is when I started to take offense with his cass,

796
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: saying they were going to be no more generational pitches.

797
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: Now what John Smalt is talking about, it's just simply

798
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: old guys. Yeah, and again we just were talking about

799
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: that Foolish Baseball video, but old guys who are good

800
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: and that's Adam Ain right from Adam wayn right, for

801
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: most of his career was just quite a good pitcher. Yeah,

802
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 2: Charlie Moore and didn't even get good so he was

803
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: thirty four years old. Like, I think that's part of

804
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: the John smols wants to see more forty year olds

805
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 2: pitching because he was very good for year old playing baseball.

806
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: That is part of this. But to say that we're

807
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: not seeing more generational players is fucking ridiculous. Pitchers, That

808
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: is such an insane comment because we have one happening

809
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: right now. Paul Skeens has said the best start to

810
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 2: a career basically any pitcher ever history baseball, twenty three

811
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: years old, started the All Star Game twice. Caree era

812
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: is under one to over two hundred and fifty innx pitch. Like,

813
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: that's as generational startup a career as it gets. I

814
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: understand we can't project twenty years of Paul Skeans' career,

815
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: but like, why why tear down the players of the

816
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Speaker 2: game that you cover, John.

817
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Smaltz, Yeah, I mean even think about some of the

818
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: older guys that are around right now. And this this

819
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: is gonna really sound insane, but like I feel like

820
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: we got to start talking about Zach Wheeler in these

821
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: conversations as well. Hate to be glazed in Philly here,

822
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: but we're going on what like nine years, eight years

823
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: in a row of Zach Wheeler being one of the best,

824
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: if not the best, pitcher in Major League Baseball. He

825
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: throws two hundred innings every single year since he had

826
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: those injuries early on in his career. Similarly to Max

827
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Scherzer and these other guys, he blossomed at like twenty seven,

828
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old. Sureser took a long time to

829
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: figure it out. I feel like Zach Wheeler as much

830
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: as I hate the fucking Phillies so much, and Brody

831
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: van Wagenen will always have a special place in hell

832
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Speaker 1: whenever that happens. Like fucking can't believe he didn't sign

833
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: Zack Wheeler, but like he's kind of fucking unbelievable. He's

834
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: ridiculously good. Looking at him as a pitcher is like, sure,

835
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: he's not Verlander Kershaw. I totally understand that now, but

836
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: many players ever had been Yeah, that's why they're like

837
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: some of the greatest to ever do it. But I

838
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: don't think that the word generational gets used properly. I

839
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: think sometimes we throw it around too much. I think

840
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I think sometimes we coven it too much, like Zach

841
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: Wheeler looking back talking to our kids about baseball. You

842
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: can't mention the twenty late twenty tens to twenty twenties

843
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: without being like Zach Wheeler was like the most dominant

844
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: pitcher in the game.

845
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: We'll get there's two parts of it, and that's why Again,

846
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: the way I started this conversation is that Wheeler will

847
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: never have the volume that those guys had. Yes, like,

848
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: Wheeler's not going to sniff three hundred wins. Wheel Wheeler

849
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: actually does have an outside the most outside shot for

850
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: three thousand strikeouts, but he'd have to do like a

851
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: Shurezer thirty five to forty one kind of run.

852
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: And we also heard that he said what his Phillies

853
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: contracts up in twenty twenty eight, that he's retiring. He's

854
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: like a made enough money, which and.

855
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: We also know a lot about when Zach Wheeler chose

856
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: to go to the Phillies and seven Mets. He didn't

857
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: want to move and he lived in Jersey and then

858
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: him his wife didn't want to go anywhere. So he

859
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: was like, he's the only teams that even will sign

860
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: for it. So even less competition that Mets actually had

861
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: to deal with to re sign a guy who became

862
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Speaker 2: a quasi generational pitcher. He wanted something else crazy about ZACHQ. Wheeler.

863
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: I do at the time recording this right now Wednesday,

864
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: July sixteenth, nine to twenty two PM, Zach wheel and

865
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: Jacob de Grum have the exact same number of strikeouts

866
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 2: in their career. That's crazy, one seven hundred and seventy nine.

867
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: And that's something else crazy about Zack wheel Dak Wheeler

868
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: is like a year and a half younger than Clinton Kurdshaw.

869
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: What is that Clinton Crish from thirty seve years old?

870
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: Zack Wheeler thirty five?

871
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: Who that was like a heat check right there. That

872
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe Hill.

873
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: Chris Sale is one year older named Zack Wheeler, and

874
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler's older than Garrett cole.

875
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: Hum.

876
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: But there's a chance that very easily, and again very

877
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: easily based on the way that these guys have pitched

878
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: recently and again knocking out what that Cairo call can

879
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: come back from his injury to Tommy John's tough thing

880
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: at that age, the way the Chris Sales pitched for

881
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: the last two years, the way Garrett Coles pitched for

882
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: the last two years, the way Jack mcgrawn's pitching right now,

883
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: the way Zaquiller's pitched for the last five years. Those

884
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: guys can become the next iteration of these generational pitchers

885
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 2: that are the old timers in the game after them.

886
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: That's where I agree with small set does get a

887
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: little bit dicey. Nick Poveda is in the top thirty

888
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: right now an active pitcher strikeouts like, that's not that's crazy.

889
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: The next year, Wade Miley's twenty fourth in active pitcher strikeouts.

890
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: Right now, Michael Walker is twenty second. Rich Hill somehow

891
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: is twentieth. Kyle Gibson has the seventeenth most strikecouts by

892
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: an active pitcher in Major.

893
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: League makes me sick to my stomach.

894
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: The next generation of pitchers, we don't really have this

895
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: in between generation. Then you kind of hope that guys

896
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: like Schooble grows up to be like this level and

897
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: maybe sen then Skeen's ten years downline with no idea

898
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: what happens in his career. But to say there's none

899
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: when you have multiple other guys in the league right now,

900
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: like if Chris Sales has three more seasons like he's

901
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: had the last two. That's another guy's going to get

902
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: through three thousand strikeouts. That's another Hall of Famer. Mcgarret

903
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: Cole comes back, goes for four more years. Again, that's

904
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: another guy who's a clearer Hall of Famer. If it's

905
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: just four more years after the surgery. Similar to the

906
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: late thirties that we just saw, these shares of verlanda

907
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: Kershall have not even kershaw Kershelline thirty seven, kreshell Stone's

908
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: mid thirties, Verlander and Schurzer like that's still there. And

909
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: it just comes back to the fact that for some

910
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: reason John Smaltz wants to just degrade the game that

911
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: he loves every single chance.

912
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: He gets, and he played in the greatest era of

913
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: all time. Nobody was cheating, nobody was breaking the rules.

914
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: Everybody played even the right way. James the Upfires specifically,

915
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: would give those Braves pitchers two and a half feet

916
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: off the plate. How could you not love, how could

917
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: you not be romantic about baseball when you get everything

918
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: that you could ever want.

919
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: Something amazing about Smalls. I won't give him credit. I

920
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: thought that when we went to the swing off at

921
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: the end of the All Star Game. He was going

922
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: to be raa. Yeah, he was having a great time.

923
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: He liked as much that he was calling it history,

924
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: which I think was a bridge too far.

925
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: It was crazy.

926
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: He was calling it clutch that college robers thinking badd

927
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: he practice home runs, which he was a bridge too far.

928
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: But I was I was actually proud that John Smaltz

929
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: was having fun watching.

930
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: That he's allowed to think. I think he almost thinks

931
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 1: he can't have fun because he had so much fun

932
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: while he was playing that he just has to like,

933
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: look at what the game is now. But disgusting. I

934
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: hate this shit.

935
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: But again, that was the funny that he pulled Charlie

936
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: Mooreton and Adam Way right, that's that discussion. He had

937
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: fun and something that was objectively the most fun Major

938
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: League Baseball moments we've had in like ten years.

939
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: Oh the All Star Game. That was an awesome All

940
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: Star game, and it also I think was the most

941
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: viewed since twenty seventeen. Seven point two million people tuned in,

942
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: which is kind of awesome for baseball. That's a big

943
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: number right there. The game was awesome. Unfortunately, fucking Dave

944
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: Roberts and Robert Suarez and the Padres relievers were hip

945
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: the cap to the Padres relievers for continuing the notion

946
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: that Dave Roberts has no idea how to handle the

947
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: bullpen because they all came in and all immediately shipped

948
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: down their leg and blew this game. And then Edwin

949
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: Diaz technically got the blown save because Robert Suarez gave

950
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: up the back to back doubles and Edwin Das basically

951
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: got two soft hip balls but one run score, so

952
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: he gets the blown save takes the MVP away from Pete.

953
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: That was the worst thing about this entire thing.

954
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 2: I will fully the tip the CAF to Dave Roberts

955
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: for using all of the Padres over words relievers in

956
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: All Star Game.

957
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: It was it was awesome from both sides. The Padres

958
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: are like, we're gonna fucking stink it up. You don't

959
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: know how to handle the bullpen, and Dave Roberts is like, well,

960
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep using you, so figured it out. He

961
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: went to Randy Rodriguez used all the National League West

962
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: guys immediately.

963
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: And he made them all look bad too. Again Robins

964
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: made himself look bad, but it was it was a

965
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: fun moment that that the swing off was really cool, especially,

966
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: I think it was nice to have that after the

967
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: home run Derby left everyone with the weird taste in

968
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: their mouth because cal Rowley got to advance on like

969
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: a three quarters of an inch. I don't know if

970
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: Hawkeye can actually track to the tenth to the billionth

971
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: of the billionth of a foot. Truthfully, yeah, I thought

972
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: that should have been a swing off as well. I

973
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: don't know why we all of a sudden made.

974
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: It that rule. I also will say that that wasn't

975
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: that left the worst taste in my mouth about the

976
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: home run Derby. The way that it's filmed and the

977
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: way that it's handled, especially on the ESPN main broadcast,

978
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: is such a travesty to the event. And truthfully, like

979
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: the stack cast broadcast was infinitely better. They had camera

980
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: angles where you could actually see the balls being hit.

981
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: They were talking about the guys hitting, they were commenting

982
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: shout Kevin Brown, Jessica Mendoza and Mike meg Petriello our guy.

983
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: Like they were actually talking about what's going on. I

984
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: can't hear Eduardo Perez the gravel in his mouth. I

985
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. I'm like, come on, man,

986
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: like talk about anything going on challenge, please call Ravage

987
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: refuses to stay on topic, You're getting interviews with guys

988
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: that don't really even speak English. It was like so

989
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: bizarre to me. I was being run on ESPN and

990
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: their secondary channel just had an infinitely better broadcast. Also,

991
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: with the rules, why are we making it forty pitches

992
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: and not forty swings? I think the rules should be

993
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: forty swings. It's about the guys at the plate right

994
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: when you make it forty pitches, that's an unbelievable amount

995
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: of pressure on these guys that are throwing VP, and

996
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: the competition is not about who can throw the best VP.

997
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: The competition should be about the Major League Baseball players

998
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: who can hit the most home runs.

999
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: I was talking to my buddy Luke because we both

1000
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: placed responsible wager and you as well in Junior Camanaro

1001
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: to win, which was crushing the way the whole thing ended,

1002
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 2: But we basically got to the point logically where it made.

1003
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: This bet is more about the pitcher than the hither

1004
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: because you have to be able to consistently throw good pitches.

1005
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: I don't like everyone gave jasts and a lot of

1006
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: shit for his three home runs. This picture was terrible.

1007
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: This guy was throwing fucking cutters, was getting junk. He's

1008
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: getting balls at his knees again, Like that's kind of

1009
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: what this comes down to year after year. I think

1010
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 2: the last year that Pete lost, like he was also

1011
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: getting junk, like because I wasn't Dave Josson anymore. But

1012
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: that's it's weird what.

1013
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Cal Raley's dad was fucking locked in every single one. Listen,

1014
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: Dad's always throwing the best BP. Sam mccamonaro's guy. Yeah,

1015
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: oh he was locked in too. Yeah, it wasn't that.

1016
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: Cal Raley literally hit seventeen homers or fifteen homers of

1017
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven pitches, which is an insane rate, just to

1018
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: say out loud, people in the three point contest don't

1019
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: do that when they're shooting open threes like caw Raley

1020
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: put on unbelievable performance. I know how he got there

1021
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: was a little bit you know, smudged because of the

1022
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: weird technicality that he made it through on. But that

1023
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: was also still a great event in spite of everything

1024
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: ESPN did to make it terrible.

1025
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: Such a fun event. But it is funny that this

1026
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: is like the biggest slam dunk event in sports where

1027
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: it's like, also, every single sport really struggles with their

1028
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: All Star Week because it's hard to it's hard to

1029
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: kind of figure out, like what you do with this stuff.

1030
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: It's like football is impossible, literally impossible. Basketball should be easy,

1031
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: but the players just have stopped trying at all and

1032
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: they do nothing now, and then they've kind of bogged down.

1033
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: The skills challenge and all of the sudden Saturday night

1034
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: events used to be so much fun.

1035
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, hocking dunk contest sucks now. I can't believe it.

1036
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: And honestly, I'll tell you this, the three point contest,

1037
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: it fucking sucks. We're watching got NBA players shoot open

1038
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: threes and counting them to see who can make the most.

1039
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I think that's so insanely boring and everything that's wrong

1040
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: with the NBA three point to ruin this great game.

1041
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: I feel like the NBA was watching the swing off

1042
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: in the All Star Game last night, like they shoot

1043
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: one on one competition. Yeah, like, who's gonna play hard? Well,

1044
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: I I guess not, but you have to do something

1045
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,959
Speaker 2: incentivized with cash. I don't know these mantually baseball players

1046
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: do get money to go to the All Star Game.

1047
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if the NBA.

1048
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: Players do too. They just make seventy million dollars. Now,

1049
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: every single one of this doesn't really mad.

1050
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: You could also, like hockey, you could tell me to

1051
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: do anything for their All Star festivities, and I believe you.

1052
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: I have no idea, and.

1053
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: It's probably awesome. And you know what they didn't do.

1054
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: They didn't do it this year. And they did the

1055
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: Four Nations and that was so believable. That was sick.

1056
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: But basebally, you can never get pitch. It's actually pitch

1057
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: full throttle in this situation like that in season like,

1058
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: I know there's something. And the home run Derby again,

1059
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: I still I'll watch the Homer Derby ever single year.

1060
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: I still fucking loved the home run Derby. It's awesome.

1061
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: Growing up though that was appointment television. Maybe this is

1062
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: just functional growing up. Maybe the home run Derby is

1063
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: just less interesting at twenty nine years old than was

1064
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: at thirteen years old. That would make a lot of sense.

1065
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: I was also explaining this whole concept to our jag

1066
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: about all the All Stars coming together for like a

1067
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: week long event, and she was like, what are you

1068
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: talking about? Because this happened in England, like people people

1069
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: would like laugh at your face and like, oh, all

1070
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: the best players come together for a week take off,

1071
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: Like are you fucking joking on.

1072
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: The same team they play against each other.

1073
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like, don't they hate each other? I was like, yeah,

1074
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: but not really. She's like stupid. But so that was

1075
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: That was one another media marvel just for like everything

1076
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: with All Star weekend, even though I think objectively it

1077
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: was done well well, it.

1078
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: Was great and again that All Star Game was one

1079
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: of the most entertaining All Star games I've ever watched.

1080
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: All Star Game was very fun. Maybe there is something

1081
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: to having some slightly worse pitchers in the All Star

1082
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Game so you could actually get some more out of

1083
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: the hitters just thinking guys blindly, like a lot of

1084
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: times the hitters, especially about the time you get to

1085
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: the seven day, then you're like, oh, Jesus is no

1086
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: like Stephen Votzik and at bat right now is Jose Lacy.

1087
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know what's going to happen. So

1088
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: it was nice that the backup hitters on both teams

1089
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: were quite good. And then the pitchers also, like some

1090
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: of these relievers kind of left a bit like Casey

1091
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 2: mys in the Austin game, like we could hit Casey Mice,

1092
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: like we're going to hit Casey Mees right now, like

1093
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Adrian Marhone, like we can hit any Adrian Homoors. But

1094
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: one of the best relievers in basing.

1095
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: Shout out David Peterson. Great inning. Peterson got Aaron Josh had.

1096
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: The ground ball of for Cisco Indor that was caught

1097
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: by Pilanzo and Jacob Mezowski. He threw one hundred two

1098
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: miles now with an nine with a ninety eight mile

1099
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: and hour slider. That's the whole reason he was there,

1100
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: and that was worth it. That was worth it alone.

1101
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: It's the entertainment business, all right. Last media marvel before

1102
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: we go into this Red Series preview and the Draft

1103
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: Kings Player Spotlight. MLB might have leaked something pretty big

1104
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: going on in the Mets world. It took us about

1105
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: forty minutes to get into it, but that's how this

1106
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: podcast works. Seems like David Wright might be handing off

1107
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: the Captain's patch to Francisco Lindor this weekend. That video

1108
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: that got leaked and taken down instantly sure makes me

1109
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: think that Francisco Indor is gonna be named captain on Saturday.

1110
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1111
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: This is classic Mets media, Mets marketing, just wanting to

1112
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: instead of like quietly naming a player captain and spring

1113
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: training like most other teams do, and that most other

1114
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 2: teams have always done, They're gonna make a huge spectacle

1115
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: about it, fill the ballpark. Have how he rose in

1116
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: a suit and high with a microphone talking to David

1117
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Wright as he like master of ceremonies, Master of ceremonies.

1118
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: How he rose the best at that in the biz,

1119
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: handing off the captaincy in the middle of the season

1120
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: to Francisco Lindor after he has after David Wright's not

1121
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: been the team for ten years. But again, like, if

1122
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: that's how it goes, I think that's a great way

1123
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: to do it. I think it's well deserved. I think

1124
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: it shows the fact that this Mets organization is very

1125
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: tightly knit. That that I think that there was probably

1126
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: some pause for David Wright to kind of really be

1127
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: involved with this team, this organization again, and after being

1128
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: forced to retire at such a young age from the injuries,

1129
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: the spinal synosis, everything that went out with David right

1130
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: towards the end of his career. I'm really excited to

1131
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: watch the documentary in SNY because apparently it shows the

1132
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: depth of what he was dealing with that we've never

1133
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: really been exposed to before as fans. So that is

1134
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: a cool moment. That being said, it's just so Mets

1135
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: to do it like this.

1136
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially for it to then get leaked mymlb's

1137
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: even funnier. I definitely would have preferred Door like Lindor captain.

1138
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: Not the issue here. The issue is middle of the season,

1139
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: like I would have just thought at the beating of

1140
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,479
Speaker 1: spring training next year, like Francisco Lindor is the captain,

1141
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of like how Jalen Jumpson got it for the

1142
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: next year or this year. But I mean, maybe maybe

1143
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: plans will change. Maybe maybe we're reading into this too much.

1144
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: Maybe this was part of the marketing to make you

1145
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: think that this is gonna happen. Maybe this is so

1146
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: meta that we can't even see it. They're playing us

1147
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: right in front of our own eyes. But it does

1148
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: sure feel like he's gonna be named captain on Saturday,

1149
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: or at least they'll be like the passing off the

1150
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: torch next you think they announced that next season he

1151
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: becomes captain.

1152
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: You have to wait another six months to actually be

1153
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: the captain of this team. But again, it would have

1154
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: made perfect sense for him to just get the spring

1155
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: training and be like Francisco Indoor.

1156
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: Is the captain.

1157
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 2: Also, I don't really care that much about the captain

1158
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: discussion because I know he's already theoretically the captain. All

1159
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: the other players consider him the captain. That's the only

1160
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: real thing that makes you a captain. Wearing a seat

1161
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: does not make you a captain. Being recognized and known

1162
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: as the captain is what makes you a captain. Like,

1163
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: that's kind of the whole point of this whole thing.

1164
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: So I'm blessed if we have him on this team

1165
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 2: that he is our captain. We get he gets to beer,

1166
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: we get to have him as our captain. And if

1167
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: this is the way they do it again, this is

1168
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: this is this is the met way. So it's cool

1169
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: they're doing it that way. I'm going to be there

1170
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: on Saturday. I'm very excited for this event. You're going

1171
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: to be there as well? I think I'm assuming.

1172
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be there.

1173
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, train episode maybe we got three episodes this week,

1174
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: fifty fifty. We'll see, We'll see fifty. But I just

1175
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be a packed house. Give me a

1176
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: four o'clock game, like that's that's what we want for

1177
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: the train episodes.

1178
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I just I hate bringing my bag there. I love

1179
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: coming to the Mets game with no equipment nothing.

1180
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: I just get to sit stuff in their pockets.

1181
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Have my beer when I when I'm ready to leave,

1182
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I just walk out. I don't have to be like,

1183
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: do I have this? Do I have that?

1184
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: That's true. I'm a big bad guy, like I'd bring

1185
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: a bag everywhere I go. But I'm I'm excited for this.

1186
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Just a great segue into the DraftKings player spotlight being

1187
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: Francisco Lindor. If the Mets want you, continue to play

1188
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: good baseball, and you can kind of track the Mets

1189
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: record this season to Francisco Lindor's success. When he's at

1190
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: the top of the order and he's hitting and he's

1191
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: playing well and hopefully now he's a little bit more

1192
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: healed from that broken pinky toe. If he's played well,

1193
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: the Mets are gonna win baseball games. It's literally that simple.

1194
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: You can track it for his career as being in

1195
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: New York Met. When he plays good baseball, the Mets win,

1196
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: And with Jan Soda behind him and brand Neimo and

1197
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,439
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo have all been hitting the ball really, really

1198
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: well this season, getting Lindor going like he was to

1199
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: start the season, which is a rare thing for us

1200
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: to say as Mets fans, it could really make the

1201
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: second half feel something special.

1202
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: And it was cool to see him in the All

1203
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: Star Game and officitivities this week. He looked like he

1204
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 2: really relished that chance. He was there with the whole family.

1205
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: He'd pay a lot a couple of grew next defensive

1206
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: plays in the game. And we know how much of

1207
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: a showman for Cisco Lindoor is, We know how clutch

1208
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: Francisco Inndoor is. If this is actually a day that

1209
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: winds up being in his honor, piggybacking off David right

1210
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: on Saturday, I know he's going to do something big

1211
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: in that game. I'm looking bar Cisco Indoor two total

1212
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: bases and looking for Cisco Indoor maybe for a home run.

1213
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 2: I think that's something good's going to happen for Ciscal

1214
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: Indoor in that game on Saturday, with the whole all

1215
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: the smoke around the.

1216
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: Captaincy, Well, you gotta make a pick, So which which

1217
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: one are you gonna pick? You can't pick both, you

1218
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: gotta pick one, all right?

1219
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: Well again responsibly, I would sprinkle a home run and

1220
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: I would make the regular bet on the two total basis.

1221
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: Classic James, always sitting on the fence, never never picks

1222
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: one side. He gave two picks. We gotta give one pick,

1223
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: all right? What am I going to do for my

1224
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: pick this weekend? I mean we're going up against the

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00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: reds man. Elie de la Cruz is probably gonna attempt

1226
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: to steal a base, I think at some point. But

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00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: also let's go Mets, so I don't want that. Maybe

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: would the fun pick be maybe understolen bases in a

1229
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: game for Ellie?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, cause stealing I think that'd be fun pick,

1231
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: just like we got Bobby Wit last weekend. We did

1232
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Speaker 2: get Bobby Wit.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, let's go. Let's let's say hot letuis tread

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Speaker 1: All right, let's preview that Red series, James. I know

1252
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: we don't have pitching matchups on our side just yet.

1253
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: One should we take a blind guess? Do we want

1254
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: to see who? Do we think starts Friday, Saturday, Sunday?

1255
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: Just for fun.

1256
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: It's actually a great question, because I was thinking about

1257
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: that before we started, and I actually have no idea.

1258
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: I was.

1259
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: I would assume that it was going to be David

1260
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Peuson coming out of the break. He's been the most

1261
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: steady and consistent pitcher. But I think after throwing actually

1262
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: an ending on Tuesday, I don't think he's gonna start

1263
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: Friday anymore.

1264
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: Truthfully, yeah he might not. I could see it being

1265
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: used as though a bullpen. You do throw that bullpen

1266
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: a couple days before you make your start, so maybe

1267
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: that's them looking at it as a bullpen. I don't

1268
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: think the Mets would have let David Peterson pitch if

1269
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: they felt like it was going to mess up their

1270
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: skin as well.

1271
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: True, but I still think that might just give him

1272
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: a day, because that's usually with the Mets do in

1273
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: these situations.

1274
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: But I do you think, uh, Frankie fastballs get Friday night.

1275
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: That's what I was getting there. I think Friday night

1276
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: might be. It might be Frankie fastballs night, Frankie five innings.

1277
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 2: I think that'll be how we start the second half.

1278
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: And I think that's that's a funny way for the

1279
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: Mets to start the second half. And then I think

1280
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: we would see Peterson Saturday and then Kodi Sunday. It

1281
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: would be my guest and then you save Clay Holmes

1282
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 2: and Manaia.

1283
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: Who do we see on the Red side who's going

1284
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: for them?

1285
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: So as the Reds have announced Friday night will be

1286
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 2: Nicolodolo lefty. Saturday for the David Right day four to ten,

1287
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I think the Mets are telling people be in their

1288
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: seats three fifteen or three o'clock for how it rose

1289
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: the Master's ceremonies.

1290
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: That one.

1291
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: It should be a hot day too. Make sure you

1292
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: guys are hydrated against the ballpark. Make sure you got

1293
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: your son's screen ready to go for that because I

1294
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: remember remember the Keith Nanda's day, that was the hottest

1295
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 2: thing I've ever been in my life. Like I think,

1296
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: I think there was actually people who were like passing

1297
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: out from exhaustion to the state.

1298
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: Especially because the seats are green, they just absorb all

1299
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: the heat. So you got a hot seat. It's gonna

1300
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: be major, major swamp past day.

1301
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: And then Sunday another lefty, Andrew Rabbit, who's had a

1302
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: tremendous season so far, was just actually on the All

1303
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: Star team. So we're going to see some of the

1304
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: Mets weaknesses right away coming out of the gate. We

1305
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: need to hit two good lefty pitchers, I would I

1306
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: would actually say con servaively two of like the fifteen

1307
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: best twenty best left seas in league.

1308
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: Going right now, Yeah, Mets have never hit Nickelodolo. I

1309
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: know we've heard from Trevor May that he talked about

1310
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: how the Mets hitters in the past when they faced Nickelodola,

1311
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: or like, this is the hardest pitcher to see the

1312
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: ball on. We don't see him well, So that doesn't

1313
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: make me feel particularly great about Friday night. Andrew Abbott

1314
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: is more crafty than he is stuff if I know

1315
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: that right, kind of. I don't know.

1316
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 2: Lodola was always more stuffed than crafty, but now he's

1317
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: gotten better. He's gotten more crafty, Like he's just got

1318
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: much better mixing up his fastball and his change up

1319
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: and his curve ball is just he's he's got such

1320
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: a low arm slot. He's like a true lefty stared

1321
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 2: the arm or a kind of just acts like a slider.

1322
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: But the intent that the intention of that picture's curveball.

1323
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: Abbot is probably the number one pitcher in baseball that

1324
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 2: I have a blind spot on. I just can't figure

1325
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: it out. I don't know why he's good. I don't

1326
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: really know how he's good. Like he has a fourteen

1327
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: fastball that it's totally fine. He gets good for the

1328
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 2: like decent adequate vertical action on that and it comes

1329
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: in ninety two miles an hour, Like Andre rabbits me

1330
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: profiles as a guy that should give up so many

1331
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: fly balls pitching a place at Great America Ballpark and

1332
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: just sit with a four point five ra But he

1333
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: his era is barely over to his whip is right

1334
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: at one through ninety endings this year, Like, I really

1335
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: just can't ignore him anymore. He doesn't really give up

1336
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: much hard contact despite everything being in the air. It's

1337
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: something that Hunter Green was really good at last year.

1338
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: So maybe the Reds have just figured out pop ups

1339
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: better than every other team. I don't know how.

1340
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1341
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem sustainable to me. But Abbott is you're

1342
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: gonna see a lot of fastballs. I feel right down

1343
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: the middle the mess say there's not going to score

1344
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: up and you're going to be pissed off watching his

1345
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: Scott pitch.

1346
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I not looking forward to that one. I don't

1347
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: know this. This team's interesting. Their bullpen has been pretty good,

1348
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: considering that was something that you would question going into

1349
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: the season. As well. As soon as they got rid

1350
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: of Alexis Diaz, they kind of started pitching well out

1351
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: of the bullpen. Rip the split edwin Alexis Jersey, though

1352
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: we're not going to see that one anymore.

1353
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 2: Well he's on the Dodgers. What we might see it

1354
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: at some point. But this Reds team also comes into

1355
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: the break relatively hot, mostly because they played the Rockies

1356
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: and the Martins heading agast the breaks they won. They

1357
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: won their last five. I mean, the Mardins are fine,

1358
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: better than the Rockies by a lot, but they won

1359
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: for their last five games heading into the break, including

1360
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 2: two games they were losing or at least tied late

1361
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: against the Rockies. They almost actually got swept by the Rockies.

1362
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: They wind up winning two a three games in that series.

1363
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 2: Our buddy Samuel was really kicking kicking dirt about how

1364
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: bad the Reds are playing and going to the break.

1365
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: But this is a team allowed to play for right now.

1366
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,879
Speaker 2: They're fourth in the ENDO Central, but they're not out

1367
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: of it in the NL wildcard race. They have a

1368
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 2: good team. They only have about two more years to compete.

1369
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: While they actually have Elie de la Cruz under contract

1370
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: because like all the other owners that cry, poor Bob

1371
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Castelani is the number one, uh number one person who's

1372
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: responsible for that, and he's not gonna I'd be shocked

1373
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: beside Eli to an extension.

1374
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: And just don't think they're gonna spend four hundred plus

1375
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: million dollars on Ali de la Cruz, which to what

1376
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: his price is gonna be.

1377
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: No, because they also still if they get Hunter Green back,

1378
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: we're missing Hunter Green and Chase Burns this weekend. Hunter

1379
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: Green's out. We're Chase burn is not going to start

1380
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: one of the first three games out of the break,

1381
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: two electric starting pitchers with Abt and Lodoldo as far

1382
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: as a one through four with team control, Like that's

1383
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 2: as good as it's going to get out there, Like

1384
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: you should be able to put a winning team on

1385
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: the field with those guys as your foundation. But they

1386
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: have refused to spend money as they always do. And

1387
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: it's really just Ellie, a couple other homegrown guys, a

1388
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: couple other like guys on this team who they've got

1389
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: to hope and to find landing in a bottle. But

1390
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 2: it's a real, real chaos lineup that does, I think,

1391
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: trift his way into beating like the fifteenth best line

1392
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: up in baseball, which is getting good enough to win

1393
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: with that rotation.

1394
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: The way I've described the Reds this season and coming

1395
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: into it was that this lineup, besides Ellie, is filled

1396
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: with guys that are all ninety to one hundred and

1397
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: ten WRC plus guys. When they're hot, they're the one

1398
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: ten WRC plus guys. When they're cold, they're the ninety

1399
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you look at with this team,

1400
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: Like Spencer Steer ninety three ops plus right now, Matt

1401
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: McLean has been playing poorly, but he's a good baseball player.

1402
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: He's at seventy three.

1403
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: But then you have fifteen homes and fifteen steels.

1404
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you have Ellie at one thirty. You have

1405
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: Austin Hayes who's been smoking the ball recently, but he

1406
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: really does do a lot of his damage against and

1407
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: he's just pulling the baseball in that ballpark. It's smart.

1408
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:02,959
Speaker 3: TJ.

1409
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: Friedle good ballplayer, one eleven ops plus like these are.

1410
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of where these guys hover. So if we

1411
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: get the hot Reds, they're gonna score a lot of rugs.

1412
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: These guys can get on base, they run well. They're

1413
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: an athletic team. If we get the Cold Reds, you're

1414
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of like the Santiago Espiinal type

1415
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: players where you're like, oh, you're hitting second right now?

1416
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: Why is that?

1417
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: I's gonna say this. Tarry Francone is the manager and

1418
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: he plays baseball the old school.

1419
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Why goode wins?

1420
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: Want to get Frido some shine like the one in

1421
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 2: a million player who was undrafted and made it to

1422
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: the major leagues, like not even the five round COVID drafts.

1423
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Do you know the story about why he's why he

1424
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: went undrafted?

1425
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1426
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: So TJ. Friedel, I think didn't enter the draft. He

1427
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he was eligible, so he didn't get drafted.

1428
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: And then I believe the Reds came to him were like, like,

1429
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: you can play in the in professional baseball. Do you

1430
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: want to He's like, wait, really, yeah, I'm in And

1431
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: then they signed him and he was good, Like he

1432
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: was not an unheralded player. He just was not really

1433
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: aware of what was going.

1434
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: On all time grinder as well. And then yeah, I

1435
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: was talking about some like kind of post type weird timing.

1436
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: Guys like Gavin Lux on this team. He's having a

1437
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 2: decent season. They tried to play him in left field though,

1438
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 2: and he's a bit of a catastrophe out there.

1439
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: It's crazy to me how these guys who have played

1440
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: baseball their entire life can't catch fly balls.

1441
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: I think major league fly ball is not the easiest.

1442
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: And also, Gavin Ux was like a shortstop the whole

1443
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: time he was coming up and then moved to second,

1444
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: Like it does make some sense, Like I don't know,

1445
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: let's put you a short stop next offtball game. You

1446
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: won't be amazing. You'll be good, but like you won't

1447
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: you know.

1448
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to use your favorite line, yeah you're not

1449
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: Gavin LUCKX dude, no shit has a good point.

1450
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: But Spencer Steeer is a guy who came into the

1451
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: year of the shoulder injury really sucked in the first

1452
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: two months of the year. Has gotten how over the

1453
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: last two months. Tyler Stevenson is a good hitting catcher,

1454
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: solid right there. Well, Benson just gets blazing hot and

1455
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: ice colds at the moment. Know this, you don't know

1456
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: when he either going to happen.

1457
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: And Ja freely.

1458
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: Same way Jake Freley just kind of grinds his way through,

1459
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: and it's just like a fine, a fine ball player.

1460
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: The big Cziple too his whole career, and then the

1461
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: Weelvi Marte just back from injury, is heating up. Was

1462
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 2: hitting really well before he got hurt. He's just absolutely

1463
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: so full of physical potential. I feel like he just

1464
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: has to wind up being good player.

1465
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a He got called juice in last year, right,

1466
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: that was his thing?

1467
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: Was that two years ago? Last year it did get

1468
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: happen though.

1469
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I had a few Noelvie Marte cards,

1470
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: so that one really hurts me. Shout out, there's a

1471
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: very niche shout out here before we ended the episode.

1472
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: Shout out my boy Chang who used to call him

1473
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: no Velly Marte, big mar Mariners fan. No Velly was

1474
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: what he called them.

1475
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 2: And then uh, also they still have gram Ashcraft. They've

1476
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: converted full time to being a leaver this year. So

1477
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: that's it's an annoying at bad. You don't know if

1478
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: it's gonna throw you a strike, but that color's coming

1479
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: at you. You just said ninety seven miles an hour. It's

1480
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 2: it's definitely a scary pitch to face.

1481
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: What was the favorite story of yours that nobody wanted

1482
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 1: to play catch with him because he throws too hard?

1483
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: I forgot who told me this, and I might heard

1484
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: the Brays embarrassed Mino Sarras or maybe one of the

1485
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: stories I got from Dave, but not like back in

1486
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: day hanging out, but like, no one wants to ever

1487
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: have a catch with gramm Ashcraft because every time he

1488
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: just threw the ball one, it came in too hard

1489
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: and too he just didn't know where the fucking was going.

1490
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: So it was like it was knowing no one would

1491
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: play Catric Graham ash Craft the lower miners. And then

1492
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: otherwise it's both plants like shockingly okay, like Sam mall

1493
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: so weird. Emilia Pagans had an amazing resurgence as soon

1494
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: as the Prince suit of the legend. I know, I know,

1495
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: David Starian is kicking dirt. He can't be on this team.

1496
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: Taylor Rogers is still good, your boy, Tony Santalon, like

1497
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 2: Scott Barlos like got something going on. Like it's just

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a really strange fine team where if

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Speaker 2: you just injected fifty million dollars worth of players into it,

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Speaker 2: they'd be they'd be a blatant playoff team, like right

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Speaker 2: up there, right now with the Brewers and the top.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what they kind of sound like,

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Speaker 1: kind of sounds like the Guardians of the National League

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Speaker 1: or the other Ohio team. A shocker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Guardians are actually consistently more good than

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Speaker 2: the Reds are.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, the same thing. It's like fifty more

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Speaker 1: million dollars and you guys probably could win a World

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Speaker 1: Series one day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just literally fifty million more dollars. Just funny, say,

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Speaker 2: just fifty million dollars been the parlimce that Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: That's nothing at all. And then a few other quick

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Speaker 2: shoutout shout out with Brock Carlos from the Softball League said,

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Speaker 2: what's up? Shout out?

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Speaker 1: I think who?

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Speaker 2: I mean? Why? Someone came between Williamsburg on Wednesday said

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Speaker 2: love the podcast, Paul or I think it's good you remembered.

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Speaker 2: I'm really sorry. I mean I remember, I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: know who you are, but I'm sorry. I think it's Paul.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's Paul. If what a personal interaction

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Speaker 2: you had with this guy, I said, what was up?

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Speaker 2: I pap him up? Don't know what he is. He

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Speaker 2: was wearing a cool shirt that was a shastating and

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Speaker 2: giveaway like fifteen years ago, which was a get go

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Speaker 2: and mister met like that was a cool shirt. So

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Speaker 2: I remember, I'm just not a good names guy.

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Speaker 1: How many shoutouts? I give a shout out to Chang

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Speaker 1: A couple of shit shout out Chang, shout out Frankie Peppers.

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Speaker 1: I miss you, Bud, can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear from Frankie. At the end

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Speaker 2: of his reds here it's Frankie. If you're in the

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Speaker 2: building on Saturday, say what's up to the fellas.

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Speaker 1: Also apologies to Frankie Peppers. He was not a lumineous concert.

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Speaker 1: He was at a K pop concert. Instead, he's a

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Speaker 1: K pop show.

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Speaker 2: And again our condoles is against still with Frankie for

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Speaker 2: the first cat so I bet best of the Peppers family.

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Speaker 1: Of course, some our rearts to the Peppers. That being said,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the episode, drop alke on the

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Speaker 1: video if you watched it, subscribe to the YouTube channel

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01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: if you're watching over there. If you're listening to his

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast Spotify, Google drops the Ring, drops the review,

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Speaker 1: download and subscribe. You can follow James on social media

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Speaker 1: at James I'm Traffick, work with the See Thank you

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: guys for listening, Thank you for watching. We'll catch you

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Speaker 1: all on the next episode. After the Red series peace.

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Speaker 2: Out because I guess it's con mettes. Shout out David Right.