1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Very pleased to be joined on this episode of the 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Warning Podcast two hundred and thirty seven days until the 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: presidential election by Faz Shakir, who is one of the 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: original founders of Think Progress and is founder and executive 5 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: director of a More Perfect Union. He ran Senator Bernie 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Sanders presidential effort into twenty twenty campaign. How are you. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Welcome, Steve good to hear from you, Faz, Let. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Me ask you about More Perfect Union and the mission ahead, 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: specifically over the remaining thirty four weeks of this campaign 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully transitioning to the next administration. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: You think about the modern media environment. We're trying to 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: build an advocacy journalism organization that speaks for working class 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: people from the perspective of working class people. And I 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: worry about the modern media environment steam where you're having 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: the emergency more and more outlets that speak to small 16 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 3: niches of high income earners. Right, good, good, well natured outlets. 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: But the models are find your substack and speak to 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: twenty thirty fifty thousand people who make a lot of 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: money and sustain an outlet. And what that means is 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: you lose scale, You lose the voices and the impacts 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: of real, regular working people and speaking to them and 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 3: deriving your stories from them. That's my mission in life 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: is to say, hey, let's reverse the way in which 24 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: most outlets tend to get their stories from people of power, 25 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: privilege and wealth. Let's go into regular people's lives. And 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: I think if you look at this next upcoming election, 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: it is those people, I think, who are going to 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: help determine the outcome of You go to Wisconsin and Michigan, 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: Pennsylvanian places like that, and the Bad and Georgia. You're 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: talking about working class people who are wondering, you know, 31 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: does anyone speak or see or hear my concerns? And 32 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: it isn't as if they're asking. I mean, their bar 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: is quite low. Sty is not as if you have 34 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 3: to solve it tomorrow. Just tell me that you see 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 3: it and that you care about it and you're working right, 36 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: And if I think there's an allowance there on their 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: part to say, if you see it, you care, you're 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: working on it, you're gonna fight for me, Okay, you're 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: then then then we can work together. But if you 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: don't even see it, how the hell do I know 41 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 3: that you're on my side? And so one of my jobs, 42 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: and hopefully our jobs are more perfect means to elevate 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: into discourse those conversations that tend to get a lot 44 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: of attention, like did you know a lot of communities 45 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: in America can get clean water? 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: For instance? 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 3: And it's a major thing that affects people's lives, just decent, 48 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: decent clean water. The hospitals shutting down in rural parts 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: of this country, small farmers kind of having a hard 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: time making it. 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: Do we see them? Is the question? And I want 52 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: to make sure we do. 53 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the progressive movement in uh in America. 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: And let's talk about it. 55 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: On a horizon of the next twelve years, not the 56 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: next not the next two hundred and seventy days. And 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: and I'm going to lay out something beyond the beyond 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: the label. But let's look at Mark Zuckerberg is our 59 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: case study. Person's worth many tens of billions of dollars 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: personally of net worth. He's bought most of an island 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. He's building a two hundred and sixty five 62 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: million dollar estate with a underground bunker, has made the 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: money on the power of the algorithm, and now wants 64 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: everybody to wear a mask where they can opt completely 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: out of reality with the computerized images over our head. 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: And so whether it's him, whether it's the small cabal 67 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: of billionaires that decide we are going to build utopia 68 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: in Solano County outside of San Francisco, whether it is 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: the thousand billionaires, the forty percent of the country that 70 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have four hundred dollars of cash available. When you 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: look at the people at the top elon Musk, there's 72 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: a very easy case to make that these people are 73 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: not on your side, not on your side, and they 74 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: live a life apart, in a society apart. What what 75 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: does the progressive movement have to communicate to working class 76 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: America in a new way that reinvigorates the movement. For example, 77 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the tax code in a moment, but 78 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: but let's let's talk about how the progress in language. 79 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: How does the progressive movement reach out right and and 80 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: and begin the building of a new coalition. Is we 81 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: imagine a world post the baby boomer presidential era? 82 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: For decades, Steve, there's been a compact in America that 83 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: as we invested a small businesses, invest in large businesses, 84 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: invested in towns all over America, that workers would benefit 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: from that, that it would be mutually beneficial, and that 86 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: compact is eroded to the point where that compact may 87 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: fully break. We are now at a juncture over the 88 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 3: next ten to fifteen years with the onset of artificial 89 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: intelligence virtual realities that you are referencing, where you can 90 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: see the possibility that large profit makers in large companies, 91 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: the Zuckerbergs and the Musks of the world, could institute 92 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: a new set of businesses that generate profit and have 93 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: very little to know workforces involved in those businesses. And 94 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: I want everyone to think and reflect on what kind 95 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: of future that is and what more importantly it matters 96 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: to humanity. What is the essence of being a human? 97 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: That's really I feel like we're at that question because 98 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: if you are now being asked to stay home, to 99 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: do nothing, to get maybe a check, and not have 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: any work in your life, right as that the theory 101 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: is that I happen to believe strongly that work means 102 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 3: something to people. It brings dignity and respect and a 103 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: sense of meaning and a purpose and a mission. And 104 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 3: if you start to erode that, as has been eroding 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: for forty years. You see the degradation of human existence 106 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 3: right there. And I think we're at this point whereas 107 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: people make dessert determinations about the future of workforce and 108 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: the future of profit making anities, you've got a position 109 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: in this economy where, because we all know the wealth 110 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: and income and equality has widened hugely, but people don't 111 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: always remember and associate with that, is the power dynamic 112 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: has also changed in that way. And therefore the people 113 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 3: who might make decisions over the next thirty forty fifty 114 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: years of human exists since are really so far and 115 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: away different and apart from working class people. And I 116 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: worry greatly about that, and it's going to require solidarity efforts. 117 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 3: One of the reasons I care deeply about unions is 118 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: we got to put power back in the hands of 119 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: regular people who say no. If we're going to talk 120 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: about the future of trucks in America driverless trucks, We're 121 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: going to talk about the future of robots and warehouses, 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: if we're going to talk about the future of electric vehicles, I, 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: as a worker, somebody who finds meaning and purpose in life, 124 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: want to say in this conversation and want to talk 125 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: about the needs for me to live a life of respect, 126 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: of decency, of dignity, that that matters. At the end 127 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: of the day, your profits are not the only thing 128 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: that matters in this damn world. We got to think 129 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: about the condition of the human. 130 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this that I think it's important 131 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: to visualize this. People talk about it, people make on 132 00:07:53,400 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: the comment section of my platforms. Imagining victory. We're gonna 133 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: have a lot of rhetoric in this campaign talking about 134 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: this is the most important election of our lifetime. I 135 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: believe that is the case. Once again, we have found 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: our way to a higher face card than the last one, 137 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: which was which was fairly existential in my view. But 138 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about that. We're going to imagine 139 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: what happens if Trump wins. People will talk about it 140 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: will be the end of democracy. But in reality, democracy 141 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: doesn't extinguish like a light being turned off on a switch. 142 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: I think I read recently in this maybe off of 143 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: It there's ninety four thousand elected elected bodies in the 144 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: United States at a governmental level with statutory authority of 145 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: some type, and so extremely complex society. But imagining it 146 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: he wins, we're gonna be in a period of extreme 147 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: revanchism with a collection of unqualified, dangerous weirdos, some of 148 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: the most corrupt people that will have ever served in government, 149 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and a sense of profound entitlement that comes from victory 150 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: that we can do anything flush with power before they 151 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: before they get ground down. The most dangerous thing that 152 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: Trump talks about that any of the people around him 153 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: talk about doing, in my view, is the idea of 154 00:09:54,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: sending National Guard from red states in to bluestates federalized 155 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: as some sort of quasi Trumpian occupying force in the 156 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: name of emergency. Uh, that doesn't actually exist to me, right, 157 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: That is that is that is a that is a 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: that is real that that could happen, and it will 159 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: be very very very dangerous, very dangerous for the society. 160 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: But but how do you see him coming back into 161 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: power as somebody who would be deeply involved in the 162 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: in the opposition. Do you personally have fear of of 163 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: being targeted, being being persecuted, you know, in any of this, 164 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: for being being outspoken, being investigated, being prosecuted, having having 165 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: family members harassed? Does you know your skin coller way 166 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: into that at at all? Your ethnic background, I mean, 167 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: how do you think about all. 168 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: That certainly in the sixteen campaign it did feel like 169 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: because of his vitriol and language on Mostlim Americans, it was, 170 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: you know, it felt personal right that it was almost 171 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: you could see me would just be a slap across 172 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: the face because he didn't. It didn't feel as if 173 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: you respected them. I care about America. I care about 174 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: this country. I want it to succeed. And I don't 175 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: know what he's got in store for a next election. 176 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure you know some of the concerns. They make 177 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 3: sense to me, and I try not to live in 178 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: that space because I want to. 179 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: Engineer a different outcome. And that's what drives. 180 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: Me really is to say, you know, I got we 181 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: got work to do to get a different outcome. I 182 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of the psyche of Trump, Steve 183 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: he and I know that he cares so much about 184 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: feeling like he's gotta behind. 185 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: Him, and that's what makes the populous. 186 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: That's the thing that to some degree I have like 187 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: more appreciation for is like someone's trying to build it 188 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: on the left, that you speak to real people, people 189 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: care about you, as we all know that, it means 190 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 3: the intensity could be high, but maybe the breath of 191 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: that may not be a majority of Americans, which is 192 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: why I'm surprised to learn that the vast majority Americans 193 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 3: are not on his side when people turn out the 194 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: vote voting boost. 195 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: But he has high intensity, and I think the. 196 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: Question is, like, you know, those I am pledging for 197 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: myself regardless of what the environment is. I'm going to 198 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: be an engaged citizens you know, Like I know that 199 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 3: what happened from twenty sixteen twenty seventeen onwards was a 200 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: starting with a women's march and engaged citizenry of like 201 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: people power that that actually had effect during his four 202 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 3: years as president when he had to deal with the 203 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: fact that there are large numbers of people out there 204 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: agitating against him and against his direction. The second, I mean, 205 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 3: I think what what people like him like and want 206 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 3: to see is that strong man has come into power 207 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: and we're going to just essentially beat down the opposition, 208 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: kind of make you sit at home, sit on your 209 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: ass and not do anything about this. And sometimes for 210 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: a lot of strongmen, that's their conception of what American 211 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: people want, that Hey, you put me in the power, 212 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 3: I'm just going to wheel and deal here, and I'm 213 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: doing it without any pushback. Because that I'm coming in 214 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 3: to solve your problems and do it in a certain way, 215 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: and our job is to just be a constant public president. 216 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: I think it matters when you're thinking about a populace 217 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: on the right that him, you remember from the inauguration onwards, 218 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 3: right the psyche that he had to deal with the 219 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 3: people agitating constantly in a public way against him. Really, 220 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: I think did have an effect on his presiency would 221 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: again and I think that that's where my head will 222 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,599 Speaker 3: be at is how do we continue to have an engaged, 223 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: active citia scream mobilization not just of like protests, but 224 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 3: like of a direction of a country, so that that 225 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: that engage citizenry is not only kind of nationally telling 226 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: a story through its volume of people turning out, but 227 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 3: also army governors and local elected officials, people with authority 228 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 3: and power in different respects in American life, to have 229 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 3: the courage judges to stand up and be tough and courageous. 230 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: I felt during the Trump presidency a lot of judges 231 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: found backbone and actually stood up to them because then 232 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: you had there's a lot of people out outside my courtroom. 233 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people watching this, and I gotta 234 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: I gotta follow my conscience again. It's those moments where 235 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, we're not gonna let you forget your conscious. 236 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: Dear people in power, if Trump don't have a conscious, 237 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: find but there's a lot of you who do. And 238 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: that's our job to Pressure's Defense secretary or pressure of 239 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: whoever it might be, to say, oh, we're watching. 240 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: When you look ahead, who excites you inside the Democratic Party, 241 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: inside the progressive movement, next generation of leaders and candidates 242 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: that are that are that are coming down the coming 243 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: down the pike. 244 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: I'm waiting to be excited, Steve, But let's put it 245 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: that way. I want to be excited, So I'm hoping 246 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: I'm leaving myself open to be excited. I mean, there's 247 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: obviously people with different approaches, and one of the things 248 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: we're going to see is what kinds of approaches to 249 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: politics are going to win out over period of time. 250 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: I think you and I are in this conversation where 251 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: I'm oriented around core a working class politics and economic 252 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: justice fights, and that's where I want to see people 253 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 3: lean as a top priority, and I get that certain 254 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: people are in different places. We're going to have this 255 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 3: debate out in a democratic way. There's interesting to see 256 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: some of these governors right a lot of different places, uh, 257 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 3: you know, from the Shapiro in Pennsylvania, West Moore and Maryland. 258 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: You got you know, Jamie Prestper is interesting. In Illinois, 259 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 3: you got a new sum of course, Christian Windberg. I 260 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: I then you've got members of Congress. I've always been 261 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 3: a you know, eager follower of Congressman Kazu Cortes and 262 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: seeing how she figures out her own politics and that 263 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: in the years to come in what she wants the 264 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: national audience to know about her be interesting for me 265 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: to watch if somebody she came from a working class background, 266 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: like those types of people. 267 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: And then I'm actually interested. 268 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Steve, like I'm I'm interested in the 269 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: people outside of Like one of the most interesting figures 270 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: to me right now this modern age as a progressive 271 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: is Seawan fain Seawan Fainne is the head of the 272 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: United Workers, the first democratically elected head of the United 273 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: Auto Workers. For a long time, it was a it 274 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: was a it was elected non non elections, it was 275 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: picked by closed door rooms. And now here's a person 276 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: of the people. And you could see that as possible, 277 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: let us let us workers on strike. Right, his union 278 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: on strike for many many months and got out and 279 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: one and one got outcomes that have improved the lives 280 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: not only have people in Michigan to Michigan and in Wisconsin, 281 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, but he's also working on if you look 282 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: at the southern organizing Alabama, Tennessee, maybe South Carolina, the 283 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: future of those states could look very different. 284 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: So top line, you look at the race, we know 285 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: who the nomin He's our third party candidate, Robert Kennedy, 286 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: talking about Aaron Rodgers as his vice president. Maybe Jesse Ventura. 287 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: He's in the mid teams. He's been as high as 288 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty six percent. Let's just say his kind 289 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: of his kind of chip in the in the campaign. 290 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Let's call it twenty percent. How do you see this 291 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: thing playing playing out over the next over the next 292 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: couple over the next couple of months. 293 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 3: Well, you started with the main worry that I have 294 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: for this race. So you're on the same thing that 295 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm on. And the first question we have to ask 296 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: Steve is is he going to be on the ballot? 297 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: You know, that's just a practical matter. Can he collect 298 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: the signatures, get them certified and verified, and appear in 299 00:17:54,880 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 3: particularly critical states that you know well right talking about Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wiscon, Invata, Georgia. 300 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: By some indications that there's a couple of things going 301 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 3: on here. One is he's focused on trying to get 302 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 3: into these states and it's actually not him personally. This 303 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: is one of the interesting dynamics about this. Is not 304 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: RFK for his own campaign. It's an outside superpack, an 305 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 3: outside superPAC that both did the Super Bowl ad as 306 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: you well know that, they also are now getting out 307 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: there and collecting the signatures to get him onto the 308 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 3: ballot in key battleground states. 309 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: So what does that tell you? Who is this superpa? 310 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: Who's behind the super PACs? 311 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: A pretty fun amount of questions, and it turns out 312 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: that there's a number of conservative donors who happen to 313 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: be more aligned with Donald Trump. We are behind this effort. 314 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 3: And I think for if you just analyze the game 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: dynamics of this, they see it as beneficial to Trump 316 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: if he can get onto the ballot in some of 317 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: these battleground states, he peels off and up votes thank you, 318 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 3: And I would probably agree that Trump has a ceiling 319 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: and a cap on how much support is out there 320 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: for him in a lot of places. 321 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: So all he's trying to do. 322 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: Is tear down that Biden number and have them either 323 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 3: stay home, peel them off third party candidates, dissuade that 324 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: whatever he needs to do to just drag votes away 325 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: from Joe Biden. So that that's a quick quick take 326 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: on it. But wonder where you're at. 327 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: Does it does it matter to you at all when 328 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: you when you observe this situation about his name that 329 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, you think about it, right, it's like Martin 330 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: Luther King the third right, Like imagine him going off 331 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: the rails, right, I mean, it's like you're talking about 332 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: you're talking about a name in American politics that for 333 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: a lot of Americans. 334 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not. 335 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's you know, we beyond John Kennedy 336 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: Junior Robert Kennedy Juniors is a big name and there's 337 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: a big difference between between the two men. I mean, 338 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: how do you how do you engage him, because. 339 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: How do you engage him stretchy publicly? 340 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: How would you think about it? 341 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: To get to the thing that I think you're putting 342 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: your finger on. If you look at a lot of 343 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: public approval pulse right now, RFK is outperforming basically most 344 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: near all politicians in America, and he's got a very 345 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 3: high favorability, very low disapproval, which suggests that to your point, 346 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: people know a name. That's why if you look at 347 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: that Super Bowl ad, for instance, run by the super Pack, 348 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: it did not mention any substance of any kind. It 349 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: really just reminded you that he's got a name. It 350 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: would be like the Bush family or something. Here's another 351 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: person that you've known well from a lineage. And so 352 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: what you have to deal with is fill in the blanks. 353 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: There are obviously some people out there who know them 354 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 3: for a VAX's position or you know, some outland issues 355 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: that they disagree with, but by far the vast majority 356 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: of people have no idea who he is and only 357 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 3: knows his name. And the question, the challenge for Biden 358 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 3: Biden allies Byen campaign is how much do you try 359 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: to educate people about the areas with which you think 360 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: he's out of step with the mainstream of America. 361 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: And it could work. 362 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: Against you, right because he's got low identity, But as 363 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: you do more to help him than Obviously, you could 364 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: find that he starts to solidify a six, eight, ten 365 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: percent whatever that number is and key states, and you 366 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: don't want that happening either. To your point, what we're 367 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 3: hoping is that over a period of time, for those 368 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 3: of us support Joe Biden, that that the RFK number 369 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 3: goes down downtown. He's more like Gary Johnson for those 370 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: of us remember Gary Johnson's third party candidacy. He's it 371 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: starts maybe at nine or ten, it starts to come 372 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: down down down to the point where it's not really 373 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: the major factor in the race. Or it could be 374 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: like Ross Paro for those of us remember Ross bar 375 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 3: where you keep a number that ends up becoming meaningful 376 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: and significant to the race. And I think it's a 377 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 3: tough question. See I don't you've got to do at 378 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: some point some education around him if he's going to 379 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 3: stay on the be on the ballot, stay on the 380 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: ballot and being critical places. People need to know who 381 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 3: he is, what concerns people should have about him. Not 382 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 3: only that if you're throwing your vote in a certain direction, 383 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: if you cast it for him, that that I think 384 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 3: people will intuitively get. Truly, the question is what does 385 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 3: he stand for. Is he aligned with your value set? 386 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: Is he not? 387 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: And I don't think the vast majority of Americans people 388 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: know the answer to that question. 389 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the biggest challenges for 390 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: what Joe Biden is. 391 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: He's making a case of continued progress in a direction 392 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: that is unfulfilled. And to the extent that there's dissatisfaction 393 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: about it, you're saying, that's because my job is. 394 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: Not yet done here. 395 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: Let's let's let's keep this ball rolling and convincing people 396 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 3: that the ball is rolling in the right direction with 397 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: his hand firmly on the steering wheel, in which he 398 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: knows exactly where he is heading. And so I hope 399 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: that you know over the few months ahead, he's makes that. 400 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 3: My own view of Joe Biden's big strongest case, one 401 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: of the reasons I'm a full supporter of him, is 402 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: that his great project is the unrigging of America's economy, 403 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: that the unrigging of America's economy is what he's after 404 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 3: making it work for working people. And on that I 405 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: just see it. We go down a whole set of 406 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: issues where I would probably be a little bit bolder 407 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 3: than he is, and He's making tactical judgments about where 408 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 3: votes lie and what he thinks he can get across 409 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: the finish line, and where judges can agree with him. 410 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 3: He's making these tactical decisions, but he's moving and sees 411 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: the same thing I feel like I see in a 412 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: lot of people see is that this this unrigging of 413 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 3: America's economy is fundamental. 414 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: When you look ahead in this in this campaign, next 415 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: big event is the vice presidential pick by Trump. I 416 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: bet my left arm that it's it will be a 417 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: It'll be one of the Lady Maga stars governors or whatnot, 418 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: almost for sure. And then after that we're going to 419 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: come into the conventions and we have a we have 420 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: a Democratic convention in Chicago. I go and we have 421 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: a Democratic Convention in Chicago while war is going on 422 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: between Israel and Iranian proxies in Hamas, where the casualty 423 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: count according to the Guys of Health Ministry is north 424 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: of thirty thousand, with more close quarter combat underway. If 425 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: you look back politically, right, and you know you just 426 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: said on October eighth, as a matter of politics, that 427 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: is going to take one hundred days, right, or you 428 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: know one hundred and twenty days for bb net and 429 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: Yahoo and for the president to be an open political 430 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: and policy warfare right across global global media. Right the 431 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: party divide. I'm not I'm not sure, you know. I'm 432 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: not sure a lot of people would have said, yeah, 433 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: that's that's going to happen. But here we are. When 434 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: I look ahead, I see two grave dangers. 435 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: For Biden. 436 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: The first is this issue inside the Democratic Party that 437 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: just blows apart the convention and creates this patina of 438 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: chaos against the strong man candidate. And then the second 439 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: issue is the immigration issue. And we think of immigration, 440 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: we think of failed states Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Syria. We 441 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: tend to think of them. On the other side of 442 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: the world, we have a failed state that's devolved into 443 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: abject and aren't anarchy that apparently is controlled by someone 444 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: who is burning his political enemies alive and feeding them 445 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: to stray dogs named named Barbecue. And this island has 446 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: eleven million people on it. It's eight hundred miles from 447 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: it's eight hundred miles from Florida. So you had immigration 448 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: on the Mexican borders already a a fraught issue, a 449 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: worrisome issue, just politically for Biden, this will become a 450 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: new crisis, layering on top of that the poorest black 451 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: people in the world by some dimensions where and absolutely 452 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: in the western hemisphere, making for making for South Florida. 453 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: But before we talk about what to do, are there 454 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: other issues that you look at beyond those two that 455 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: you just kind of falling category of oh boy, volatile, unpredictable, 456 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: who knows what's going to happen. Situation could worsen right 457 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: that war could escalate one hundred different permutations of it. 458 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Any other issues where do you disagree that those are 459 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: the key danger issues for him as you look at it. 460 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: Right now, I mean, right right now, as we speak, 461 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 3: it's easy to find those ones as the major ones. 462 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: I tend to think that as campaigns go on, you 463 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: and I know, you know, you get a crisis that 464 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: exists out of nowhere. Right now, there's a slow moving, 465 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 3: slow rolling crisis of you know, pharmacies across America shutting 466 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 3: down because of a cyber attack on United Health slash 467 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: optim and it's causing a lot of damage to a 468 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 3: lot of people's lives, and there's all a political discourse 469 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 3: about it. But I think of you know, you live 470 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 3: through a period in two thousand and seven, two thousand 471 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: and eight when you know, at the latter stages of 472 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: that we remember, you know, there's here's a financial crisis 473 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: that hits and it changed the dynamic. I don't think 474 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: it is not crazy to me to think that the 475 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 3: way in which corporate America has so much dominance over 476 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: America side that something like a cyber attack on United 477 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: Health or something along those lines. Boeing, Right, if you 478 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 3: get into that, some massive kind of issue arises in 479 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 3: which people turn to government to say, hey, help us 480 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 3: solve for this. Give me, give me a trajector, give 481 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: me a firm hand on the steering wheel, and tell 482 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: me how we solve for this problem. 483 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: And so I can imagine that could happen. But besides that, see. 484 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: I'm with you. 485 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you talked about Boeing. Let's talk 486 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: about the politics issue. You talk about somebody who has been, 487 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: you know, really labeled in the national media, rising store 488 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: in democratic firmament. Mayor Pete now Transportation Secretary Pete looking 489 00:28:52,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: at it, cold, calculatingly, cynicallyoetically. Boy, if I was Mayor Pete, 490 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: I'd want to be out of that job like yesterday. Yesterday, Right, 491 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: you have a big crash, right, the amount of accident 492 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: stead have been closed, catastrophes narrowly avoided, near missus nearly 493 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: averted on an antiquated system. Right for a lot of 494 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: finger pointing where there's been no investments made, you know 495 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: where where we're doing it out of the nineteen seventies 496 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: and the AI age. 497 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: But behind the scenes, team mayor p now secretary has 498 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 3: really sunk his teeth into this job in a way 499 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: that I think most people maybe I'm not seen or 500 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: he's had to deal with as you mentioned, airline crisis. 501 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 3: In the heat of it, we had literally do you 502 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 3: remember a meltdowns Southwest than a pull during the height 503 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: of it, post pandemic, literally on Christmas Day shutdown of 504 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 3: airplanes was crazy. 505 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: You had rail. 506 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: Disasters the East punctuated by to eat Palace, and as 507 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: you say, you got Boeing and each turn to his credit. 508 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 3: You know, I think we would all acknowledge he came 509 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: into this job without a ton of transportation experience, and 510 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: all you can hope and assume and want for somebody 511 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: is get in there, figure it out and care about 512 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 3: it and do some stuff to help people, and he 513 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: has changed the trajectory of the Transportation Department in a 514 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 3: big way. Right now, Boeing is on a ninety day 515 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: window where they have to report to the FA on 516 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: any safety protocols that they are now doing to ensure, 517 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 3: you know, the safety of the public. DJ is initiated 518 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: a criminal investigation into Boeing and for Mayor P Secretary P. 519 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: If the idea is like what accountability measures, it's a 520 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 3: tough one, right because now you're dealing you're thinking about immigration, Gaza, 521 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: now Boweing. These are fundamentally positive. You got to show 522 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: me if you've got to convince me, you got to 523 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: show me some actions and moves. And quite frankly, Steve 524 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: when you even when you iron them out, as I 525 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: would argue, he did on a lot of like the 526 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: airline kerfuffles you had, you know, air prices going down, 527 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: smoother air for generally, but we're still on the cusp 528 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: because we've got a broken system, too few air traffic controllers, 529 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: whole variety of problems. But he's on the case and 530 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: he's ironing out and won't get the credit when you 531 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: start to iron some of these things out. And so 532 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: this question for those of us who do politics is 533 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 3: to say, what, how are you both trying to solve 534 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 3: for the policy but communicating something to the public about 535 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: what your value system is and what you're trying to 536 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: do here and on that s where I would urge. 537 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: You know, this heavy amount of people want corporate accountability. 538 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: You screw up Boeing. I want to see some damn 539 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: accountability for you, and he's got the opportunity, So I 540 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: would flip it back on new Steve was like if 541 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 3: he came forward with a pretty strong account corporate accountability 542 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: effort against Boeing, it would turn a lot of people's hands. 543 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: I think that this is such a vital aspect of 544 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: this next chapter of American life and a badly needed 545 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: renewed accountability politics, a responsibility politics, call it a second 546 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: coming of the progressive error movement, or or whatever you 547 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: want to do. 548 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: But what you just said. 549 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: Is foundational and runs through all of these issues. And 550 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: again it's basic economics and incentives. If you can make 551 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: more money by cutting out a step, smoothing out of process, 552 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: ending a procedure in a rule, which is what Boeing 553 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: has done fundamentally right then that company is going to 554 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: do it over and over again. And the question is 555 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: is who's on your side? And you know, and I 556 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: say this all the time, Trump, what Trump is is 557 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: humanity's most gifted philosopher, a fuck youism, right, he is 558 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: a he is it's world champion. Right, you have a 559 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: You have a lot of people who look at powerful 560 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: winterests and want to give him, give him an f you. 561 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: It's well deserved, and Trump is their vessel. 562 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 3: But that's an empty cally. I did this analysis a 563 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: little while back, and a lot of people don't know 564 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 3: this about Trump. To your point, like because we know 565 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: his polity, he never really follows. 566 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: Through on the things he said. He said, He just 567 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: says a lot of things. 568 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: Right. But if you go back, there are really many 569 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 3: large corporations in America who haven't been on the receiving 570 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 3: end of a Donald Trump diatribe. Like we could go 571 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 3: through Boeing, Coca Cola, you know, you go through Dabisco, 572 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 3: you go through someone the large corporations of Eric Kelloggs, whatever. 573 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: At some point in time, Donald Trump has attacked them. 574 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 3: And when you look at a lot of the working 575 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: class people who are on the fence you say, there's 576 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: a there's a president of the United States attacking my 577 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: boss and and and trying to change something, right, Like, 578 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 3: that's a dynamic that I think does work for it 579 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 3: just happens to be that doesn't like you'll attack big 580 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 3: pharma as we know, and then not care you through 581 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: to actually. 582 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 2: Doing anything about it. Right here comes Joe Biden. 583 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 3: Do this is the irony of Joe Biden. Right, So 584 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: you got the carry through on a lot of these things, 585 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 3: often understated so that they're not animated for the public, 586 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: and people don't really know that he's taken on big 587 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 3: farm in a big way. And then Trump carries the 588 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 3: politics of it. So what you're actually asking is Donald, 589 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: you know for Joe Biden is to say some of 590 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 3: these things that you've been in, like the heat of 591 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: battle against major credit card companies, against major pharmaceutical companies, 592 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: against big banks, they are pistol with you. 593 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: Chamber of Commerce hates. 594 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: The stuff that's going on against Joe Biden, but we're 595 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: not getting the political benefit because he's not out there 596 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 3: saying I'm taking these guys off and I welcome their hatred. 597 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: And it's part of because of the way that Joe 598 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 3: Biden does as politics right, tends to be a genial, amenable, 599 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: find the middle, common ground understated. I'm not going to 600 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 3: do heated rhetoric, but I think it does leave on 601 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 3: the table sometimes the animation of what you're actually doing 602 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: and why. 603 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: It matters the person the year right in America, domestically, 604 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: he was Sean Fain. I mean he had he had 605 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: more impact on more people's pocket books, uh and wallets 606 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: than than any other American directly, and he did it 607 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: with DUTs and convection, wouldn't wage. People watched his time 608 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: make progress and he he people he wanted to fight, 609 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: picked the fight and won the fight, and love. 610 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: That strategic about that fight. He was going, knew what 611 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 3: levers to pull, had the administered, got the administration on 612 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 3: his side, reopened the factory in Belvidere, Illinois. I mean 613 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: amazing things that happened. And as a result of his work, 614 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 3: Boeing really there's a Boeing union right now that's negotiating 615 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 3: a contract. Their first offer was forty percent wage increase. 616 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: You know why because they watched Sean face right, Like, 617 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people he's had down ticket effects 618 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 3: here where a lot of people watched the way in 619 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 3: which he did business, and it gave them courage to say, yeah, 620 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: let's let's let's change the ballgame. Instead of going into 621 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 3: negotiation for a five percent increase six seven percent increase 622 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 3: that we historically have done, let's fight for a different 623 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: trajectory like Sean Paytons to do. And you know, I 624 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 3: agree with you. He's had a huge impact in the 625 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 3: economy in a healthy way. 626 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 2: I would argue, obviously, absolutely, no question. 627 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: I do think that one of the things, one of 628 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: the points you raise that's an important one, and I 629 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: think about this is that we have a minor leagues 630 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: and politics for the presidency that says that there's room 631 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: for senators and governors. Uh, And consideration can be given 632 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: to one or two strange characters per party right that 633 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: run from outside the system. It may make for good 634 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: fodder on the debate stage. But I just saw on 635 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: a CBS Warning interview that's Steph Curry, who's written a 636 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: children's book, deeply involved in literacy issues in Oakland. Has 637 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: asked a question about politics. He says, yeah, I'd consider 638 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: it if I can make a difference. And at the 639 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: end of the day, you know if I was to 640 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: to disqualify any group by group, right, I guess like 641 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to make me do it, 642 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: I'll disqualify the US senators. None of you people, none 643 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: of you people can ever run again, right for for president? Right, 644 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: and but we'll and and we'll make up for it 645 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 1: outside the system. But there's a there's a lot of 646 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: people doing a lot of things with a lot of conviction, 647 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: who have vision, who have knowledge, who have broad experience 648 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: in life, been all over the world, seen a lot 649 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: of things who just don't happen to have been elected senator, governor, 650 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 1: who we might not want to uh grow away any 651 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: possibility of drawing on their wisdom to lead the country 652 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 1: out of the the marass it finds itself. 653 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 3: You and I have led presidential campaigns, you know, I 654 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 3: tend to think the modern presidential campaign requires a few 655 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 3: elements now more so than ever before. You really have 656 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 3: to be a charismatic individual. The demands of you to 657 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 3: be a nationwide spokesperson is just so pressure filled in 658 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 3: a major way unlike even before. Right, and in that way, 659 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 3: to be on TikTok, to be on like whatever form 660 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 3: formats I do, I want to pay formats here, but 661 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 3: you know, like whatever formats, you've got to be able 662 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 3: to be present and out there a lot. And I think, 663 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, I tend to think you've got to be 664 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 3: a populace. 665 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 2: You got to be of. 666 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 3: Some kind where you generate enthusiasts. It's gonna get harder 667 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 3: and harder to be a candidate who's like, I'm a 668 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,760 Speaker 3: competent governor, you know, not very charismatic. I do things 669 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 3: and you know, try to manage and but don't have 670 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: an intensity of support. I kind of think that that 671 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 3: might be a hard road to hope for the future. 672 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want that, because I do. I 673 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 3: want competent people. Let's say an adybush Year good example 674 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 3: at Kentucky govern good kind of want in the red 675 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 3: interesting case to make. But in order for some people 676 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 3: like that to succeed, my own thinking is you're going 677 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 3: to have to find a way to generate intensity and conviction, 678 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 3: particularly competitive primaries. Right And you think of an AOC 679 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 3: like I think she could generate right that for those reasons. 680 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: But that modern presidency, the modern presidential campaign is changing 681 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 3: under our feet, you know, And those are the qualities 682 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 3: that I would highlight. 683 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: We're going to see some really young candidates in this 684 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: next election cycle in their thirties, late thirties, early forties 685 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 1: that nobody's yet heard of. As we move into twenty 686 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: twenty eight, it's going to be a lot of change 687 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: in the years ahead in the country. We are coming 688 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: to the end of an era now, doubt about it, 689 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 1: and you're going to be one of the people who's 690 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: shaping the next one. So it's great to be able 691 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: to spend some time with you today. Thank you very much. 692 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 2: This is a pleasures team. 693 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: That's my pleasure. Thank you for listening to my political commentary. 694 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,240 Speaker 1: If you like what you heard today, please also consider 695 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: subscribing to The Warning Daily newsletter on substack.