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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Norri

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Speaker 1: with you. Mark Carpenter with US anthropologist explorer Arthur. A

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Speaker 1: couple of his books are on his website mark acarpenter

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Speaker 1: dot com. He has worked on Mayan archeological excavations on

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Speaker 1: the Yucatan Peninsula. He has analyzed prehistoric Mexico. He spent

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Speaker 1: years living alongside various Native American tribes and Polynesians and

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Speaker 1: North America and Hawaii studying their ancient traditions. And his

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Speaker 1: expertise is of human origin paradigms, and he is considered

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Speaker 1: a rogue cultural scholar, accusing the scientific establishment of conspiracy

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Speaker 1: to distort human history. Mark, we're going to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: but welcome to the program. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. I really appreciate it looking forward to this.

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Speaker 1: How did you get involved in anthropology and archaeology. Well,

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Speaker 1: it went back to my childhood. Like a lot of

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Speaker 1: eighties kids, I thought Indiana Jones was a very cool character.

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Speaker 1: And my father and his family had some rural land

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Speaker 1: out in Ohio, the Ohio River Valley, and there were

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Speaker 1: burial mounds out there. Not on our land per se,

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Speaker 1: but you know, when we used to drive through, I

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Speaker 1: was fascinated by these burial mounds. And my father didn't

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Speaker 1: really have a satisfactory explanation. So that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: it all began. Fascinated ever since, haven't you. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was hooked. I had to know. I had to know.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Smithsonian. Tell us about that. Is

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Speaker 1: it kind of like a depository of all the old

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Speaker 1: relics or what is that place? Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: It masquerades as this beacon of education. That's what we've

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Speaker 1: always been taught that it is. And that's that's easy

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Speaker 1: to believe because that's what we wanted. We wanted to

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Speaker 1: be that, and it should be. Um, you know, a

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Speaker 1: society like ours should have that. Um. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the reality. The reality is institutions like the Smithsonian, particularly

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Speaker 1: the Smithsonian, we're founded, um, you know, buy elites, the

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Speaker 1: secret society, frat boy types, and they were building a nation.

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Speaker 1: They were building a nation, and um, what it really became,

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Speaker 1: or what it really is, is a beacon of their

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Speaker 1: version of human history that they want us to learn

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Speaker 1: and and right and think about it. They collect the

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Speaker 1: they collect the artifacts and the remains, and the and

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Speaker 1: the arts, and the culture, and and and the relics

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Speaker 1: and everything. And they may draw their own conclusions behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors, But as far as they're concerned, it's it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a mechanism by which the few control the many. Um.

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Speaker 1: They like this divide of information and knowledge. They think

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Speaker 1: of it as their uh, their aristotle, uh aristocrat, thank you,

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Speaker 1: their aristocratic privilege. Is what I was trying to say, Well,

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Speaker 1: what wasn't What was it, Mark that got you to

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Speaker 1: start thinking this way? You're not alone in this, by

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Speaker 1: the way, But what was it that got you to

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Speaker 1: think this way? My paradigm was lost in in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Um I was. I was head first in to be

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Speaker 1: a PhD. And uh, I was prepared to spend my

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Speaker 1: life toiling in the jungles of Mexico to understand the

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Speaker 1: Maya and their disappearance or they're alleged disappearance. And how

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Speaker 1: I just it was like the dissolution disillusioned tale of

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Speaker 1: a film. I found myself. My naivete was just shattered.

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Speaker 1: I found that this was a rigid orthodoxy and you

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Speaker 1: And um I was obsessed. I still am with Pocoll

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Speaker 1: and the Red Queen at the ancient mayansight known as

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Speaker 1: Plank and what I found there was a cover up.

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Speaker 1: Those remains are missing, the DNA from Pocal and the

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Speaker 1: Red Queen. And for anyone who's not familiar or Pocall

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Speaker 1: King tut of of Mayan archaeology. These are rock stars

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Speaker 1: of the Mayan archaeological world. Most important find in the

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Speaker 1: history of my min archaeology too, Christine Rulers tombs discovered

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Speaker 1: in burial chambers within pyramids. Well, why do start the

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Speaker 1: information about them? That is? That is such a such

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Speaker 1: a priceless question. Why uh? To understand that question, we

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Speaker 1: really have to go back to what we were talking

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Speaker 1: about before the founding of institutions like the Smithsonian, and

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Speaker 1: we need to understand how these institutions operate. Who controls

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Speaker 1: them the money, of course, and in this case we've

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Speaker 1: Anthropology and History. They're essentially the Mexican Smithsonian. They were

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Speaker 1: National Geographic and you NESCo. These are all tentacles of

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Speaker 1: why distort this, Well, because because it impacts the human

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Speaker 1: history narrative, which they did, which they want us to

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Speaker 1: You can trace back to John D. Rockefeller. He essentially

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Speaker 1: known for this quote, I want I don't want thinkers,

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Speaker 1: I want workers. So if you really want to boil

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Speaker 1: designed to enslave the public. What would they want us

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Speaker 1: to believe? Mark, Oh, well, they liked their social Darwinis

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Speaker 1: The point being that if humans believe, the public believes

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Speaker 1: materialism then consumerism, Well they like that just fine, and

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Speaker 1: of people. Hence why I am here on this program.

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Speaker 1: Do they not want us to believe in God? Mark?

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Speaker 1: They don't. They don't want us to believe in God.

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Speaker 1: M They pretend like religious freedom is the important to

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Speaker 1: their religious beliefs. Well, those their deity and their beliefs

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Speaker 1: then are the supreme authority in their hearts and mind. However,

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Speaker 1: if they are reduced to animals, you know, worker bees

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Speaker 1: their god. Why would they care mark what we believe? Mmm?

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Speaker 1: Because they care about their delusional empires um power. Is

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Speaker 1: We started this program talking about the Kennewick Man. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain a little bit more about him and why

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Speaker 1: you believe there could be a little controversy here? Yes, so,

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Speaker 1: Kennewick Man. The reason I wanted to begin with this

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Speaker 1: around the early twentieth century, late nineteenth early twentieth century

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Speaker 1: discoveries of abnormally large skeleton giants giants on Earth in

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Speaker 1: Man is the proverbial smoking gun that proves definitively here

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Speaker 1: and now a Smithsonian conspiracy to distort human history by

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Speaker 1: as we speak? The Kennewick Man's remains as we speak,

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Speaker 1: the detail those The replica's skull and skeleton is quite

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Speaker 1: that common in that time period nine thousand years ago? Well,

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Speaker 1: in ancient tradition in relation to narratives regarding these hybridized

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Speaker 1: human beings, angelic beings if you like, watchers, many names

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Speaker 1: for them, and the daughter ran yes, thank you. And

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Speaker 1: they interbred with mortals humans and they created these gigantic,

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Speaker 1: invasive hybrids, and they were lawless and evil and cannibalistic.

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Speaker 1: How tall would Ken A. Wick Man be if we

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Speaker 1: were able to get to that skeleton? In your opinion, well,

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Speaker 1: I could speculate. Now I can't prove this, but what

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Speaker 1: is interesting about the photo of the skeleton is that

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Speaker 1: the entire photo taken on a black surface. The bones

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Speaker 1: are deliberately laid on a See. They did that on purpose,

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Speaker 1: because now you have no reference scale reference. That's right,

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Speaker 1: there's really no telling that thing to be huge. I suspect,

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Speaker 1: and this is pure speculation, but I would guess that

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Speaker 1: he was probably well over seven feet I would say

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Speaker 1: he's between seven and eight feet tall. Listen to more

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