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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iheartrating.

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Speaker 2: Things sort of fell into place for me where I

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Speaker 2: got these chances that a lot of people don't even get.

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Speaker 2: So it dawned on me a little bit, I was

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Speaker 2: saying earlier with the art gallery, I was like, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, I got to shift back to this tennis

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Speaker 2: because I was fortunate and I want to give other kids.

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Speaker 2: My ultimate dream would be a kid from Harlem to

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Speaker 2: win the US Open. That came from my academy. So

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Speaker 2: that goal to try to, you know, give as many

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Speaker 2: you know, lifelong mission at this point.

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Speaker 3: Hi, folks, this is Paul Anka and my name is

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Speaker 3: Skip Bronson. We've been friends for decades and we've decided

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Speaker 3: to let you in on our late night phone calls

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Speaker 3: by starting a new podcast and.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet some

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Speaker 1: real good friends.

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Speaker 3: Of us, your leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even as sitting

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Speaker 1: president or too.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we asked the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, tell it like it is and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Hey skipped you're on the course. Did you tell me

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Speaker 1: you're playing with Mike today?

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Speaker 3: I played golf with them yesterday. He hasn't been playing

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Speaker 3: golf that long, but this won't shock you. He's gotten

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Speaker 3: really good in a short period of time. Because people

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Speaker 3: take up the game of golf late in life or

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Speaker 3: later in life, it's really hard to be good, even

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Speaker 3: professional athletes, believe it or not. But he's really taken

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Speaker 3: to it. He loves to play golf. But the other

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Speaker 3: thing that he really loves is music. Man, oh man,

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Speaker 3: does he love music? And he really I no want

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, I've kind of been

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Speaker 1: or maybe he'll open the door. I don't know. But

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Connors, I knew. I know those two guys were

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Speaker 1: the record that I produced for Jimmy Connors. Can imagine

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Speaker 1: him on guitar and Jimmy singing. Would have been so cool.

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Speaker 1: But I'll get into it if I see a door.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it because I'm I admire the

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Speaker 1: guy for what he's done with his life. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of those guys make that evolution into where

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Speaker 1: as a broadcaster. He knows his sport and he's hisself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he spoke at Stanford, his alma mater.

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Speaker 3: He gave a commencement address and he spoke about pivoting

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Speaker 3: and you know, look what a pivot this is. The

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Speaker 4: I mean, what an incredible moved at us has been.

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Speaker 1: And I love that he can be be himself. He's

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Speaker 1: How you doing, How you doing with your bourbon and

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Speaker 1: your bourbon business?

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Speaker 4: Good? Good? You know, we have a new guy running

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Speaker 3: And you know, the product is great. The product speaks

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Speaker 3: of it. It's like one hundred and thirteen proof right now.

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Speaker 3: Just knock you over feature too much of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm the last guy you're going to ask because you

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Speaker 3: That's speaking about your friend Michael Boublay, who we had

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Speaker 1: A bottle of his bourbon. I got mine too, one bottle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Michael's great and he's doing well with it up

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Speaker 4: Well, Johnny Mack is about showing up. He shows up.

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Speaker 3: Also, you know, he has a foundation where he's done

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Speaker 1: To do that the same piano pilt piano players, we

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Speaker 1: Well, in other words, if I'm singing Roboto and I'm

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Speaker 1: the telemusician if they weren't playing with you, and Dean

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Speaker 3: And also you're an art collector and he's an art collector,

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Speaker 3: and that's another another dimension of John McEnroe.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he has an art gallery in New York.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Warhol ever did, and it did Warhol over.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see that.

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Speaker 3: Steve Wind's house. That's very cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I give it to Steve. He did eight and

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Speaker 4: If you have an extra one to have.

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Speaker 1: A wall for, well, I've got one for you. I'm

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Speaker 1: to send it over there. Got some prints made, but

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Speaker 1: it's coming, my boy. So it should be exciting, should

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Speaker 1: be exciting tomorrow. I'm looking forward to it a lot.

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Speaker 1: And I love sharing my friends with you and your

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Speaker 1: with Gail King, and I think that the world needs

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Speaker 1: to evaluate friendship. And the next thing is all these

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Speaker 1: and let them enjoy what those of that have been

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Speaker 4: I can help you help.

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Speaker 1: So can you help me? I can help you help?

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Speaker 4: All right, Well i'll talk I'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, My Darling. Sleep warm, as I always say, sleepwarm,

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Speaker 3: Here's the man. There's one there we go.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, buddy, Hey, great, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you. You know, we crossed paths

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Speaker 1: an interesting life and career. But you remember the Alan

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Speaker 2: You know, we do a terrible job marketing our sport.

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Speaker 1: Well remember you know, grown up around it all my

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Speaker 1: and I've got an eighteen year old son, and he

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Speaker 1: My buddy Skip Curly feathers over there.

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Speaker 1: How did you guys become friends? I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: to go out for me at least to go on

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00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: a tennis court and try to, you know, play my best.

435
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: So I couldn't, you know, if i'd an eight o'clock match,

436
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm over in Europe, I couldn't. All right,

437
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to play guitar from twelve to three and

438
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: then I'll practice. I sort of had to put it

439
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: aside for a long period of time. I wasn't able

440
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 2: to play that much. I was able to meet a

441
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 2: lot of the you know, these great you know people,

442
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 2: a couple of people you've mentioned, whether it was this,

443
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting there with my Robert playing He's like,

444
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 2: oh man, I love what you did. I'm like, Zeppelin

445
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: was my favorite band growing up, and you know, I

446
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: didn't realize these English rock guys loved you know a

447
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 2: lot of them like tennis and Wimbledon was as big

448
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 2: as it was, so I was like, oh my god,

449
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 2: this is amazing. So over the years, it's been a

450
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,399
Speaker 2: long road. Of course, it's been forty plus years. I

451
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 2: probably be improved more than I ever had when the

452
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 2: pandemic hick, because that's when I really started, you know,

453
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: playing a lot more. And so after thirty years of

454
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: being together, I think, I mean, I don't maybe I

455
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 2: can be quoted on this, possibly that Patty and I

456
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: finally was like, hey, maybe we should do a couple

457
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: of shows together. It only took thirty years.

458
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 1: Paul sot who touched you the most, if any.

459
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: Probably my late great friend Vitas Gariliitis. Oh really yeah,

460
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: he played piano and guitar as a kid. So he

461
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: started giving me a few lessons. So that's actually where

462
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: I was taught, probably the best and the most I

463
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: had other you know people I remember, you know, Bill

464
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 2: Wyman was trying to teach me the one four five scale,

465
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the hell is the one

466
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: four five blue scale? So he tried. And then Eddie

467
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: Van Hale and Lake Great, one of my all time

468
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 2: favorite guitar players ever, great guy. We were friends and

469
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 2: he'd come over to my you know, I got over

470
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: to his house or vice versa, and he's like, all right,

471
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: let's try to play guitar. And he played the lick

472
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: that on his first round and there is a song

473
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: called Ain't Talking about Love is? You know? And I go,

474
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: how do you play that lick? And first he goes,

475
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: I had to play something. There was only two chords,

476
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: that's what he says. So I'm like okay, and so

477
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 2: he tries to teach me the lick and I'm like, dude, dun, dun, dun,

478
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, trying to learn this lick way too slow.

479
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: Fors like, let's just go have some, you know, scarf

480
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: a drink, and he just like five minutes. He was like,

481
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: that's it. It's hopeless. So I've had guys try to

482
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: do it better. Guys, I've sort of I guess maybe

483
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 2: I choked under pressure a little bit there.

484
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: Of course Eric Clapton too, right, didn't Eric Clapton?

485
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: Didn't you know? I was around Eric and I love Eric,

486
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: but he never actually taught me how to play. I

487
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: did have an experience once in London where I was

488
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: tried decided I love David Bowie, so I was like

489
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: trying to learn Suffragette City one of his big songs.

490
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, I'm at this hotel at Wimbledon.

491
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: There's a knock on my door. I opened the door.

492
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: It's David Bowie. He's staying right above me, and he

493
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: comes down. He goes, hey, John, I heard you were

494
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 2: staying a right, would you like to come up for

495
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: a drink? And I'm like, hell, yeah, you know, of course,

496
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: I'll be right there. He goes, don't bring the guitar.

497
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: You heard me bring some balls in a racket, right,

498
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: That's cool, That's very cool.

499
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: I think the luckiest perk, I'm sure, paul you could

500
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: speak to this is the chance that you get to

501
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: meet entertainers and other lines of work, whether it's you know,

502
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: the actor you met them all. I'm sure actors, are

503
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: you know, musicians or other athletes. I mean, you know artists.

504
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: I love art, so it's absolutely you know that's been

505
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: for me. I'm like, oh my god, this is you

506
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: know what a dream for a kid from Queens.

507
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: That's so fascinating to me. I've been collecting art since

508
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: the sixties. Paula Cooper Leo Castelli. I don't know if

509
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: that rings a bell with you.

510
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 2: I know, both those dealers. Yeah, I mean I.

511
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: Knew they were helping me buying Frank Stella, Ellsworth Killer.

512
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 1: I got so into it. For years I had this

513
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: collection and it just opened my world up to experience

514
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: and go down there be with them, know them, you

515
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: were with Andy Warhol. I know, how did all of

516
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: that come about for you that you get into it again?

517
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: It was Vitas Garilitis, my buddy who took me to

518
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: Soho in the seventies and introduced me to a bunch

519
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: of artists. And when I started to come into money,

520
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 2: I you know, it was like, what do you do

521
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: with you get make some money? This is incredible And basically, first,

522
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: you know, buy a car and buy an apartment, you know,

523
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my god, and then you have

524
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: these walls. And I always loved art and I also

525
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: felt a kinship in a way with artists because they

526
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: were out there on their own, like you know, on

527
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: an island, like a tennis player. So it really was

528
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: something I could relate to that the guts it took

529
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: to you know, go out there and lay it on

530
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: the line in essence. You know. The other people I

531
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: related to were like stand up comedians, the people that

532
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 2: were willing to go out, you know, you might lay

533
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: an egg, you know, and so I had a respect

534
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: for that. So that just felt like it was some

535
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: an avenue I want to explore. You know. I never

536
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: really looked at sort of the stock market really, you know,

537
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: my dad managed me and put some money in there,

538
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like I was looking what's maybe I

539
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 2: should have what was my apple stock or this that

540
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: or the other thing. But I always loved art, not

541
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 2: only to collect it, but you know, out of just

542
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: sort of that understanding of what it took.

543
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: And you had a gallery. We had a gallery for

544
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: a while in New York City.

545
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: I still have a gallery. Actually I owed one like

546
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: about thirty years ago. I decided I was going to

547
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 2: try to help artists, and I'd have an opening and

548
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: three hundred people would show up, and you know, one

549
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: hundred people were like artists that were like, hey, great show,

550
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: can you see my work? And I'm like, what that?

551
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: You know, So it was like it was tough to

552
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: sort of get over the hump, you know. Well, you

553
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: mentioned two names that are sort of legendary in the

554
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: art world. Art dealers to get people to come and say, hey,

555
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: I want to get represented by John McEnroe at the

556
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: John Mcanoe Gallery, And I was like, whoa, this is

557
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: like way too much you know, work time and effort

558
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 2: and work for for a while and so then I

559
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: was like, God, these these this art things even they're

560
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: it's even these artists are even worse than tennis players,

561
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: you know, young players. So I decided that I shifted

562
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: years after about five years around two thousand, that if

563
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: you know, if I was going to do something for

564
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 2: kids and put this time in, I was going to

565
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: go back to the sport and try to eventually, like

566
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 2: I have a tennis academy, and to try to you know,

567
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: bring the sport back up to the level I believed

568
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: it was when you know, I was playing. Not that

569
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: it was me necessary, but it was a great time

570
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: for tennis. That's sort of been my life goal since then. It's,

571
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, try to get that cool factor back, get

572
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: more opportunities for kids they can't afford to play it,

573
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: which is about ninety nine percent of the you know population.

574
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: So that's you know, I still have the art gallery.

575
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: I still love to you know, buy and collect a bit,

576
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 2: but I'm not as involved like twenty four to seven

577
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: the way you need to be if you really want to,

578
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: you know, succeed big at something.

579
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: And the prices are crazy today. Quite a few years ago,

580
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, they went through the roof. I mean I was,

581
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: you know with Stella and all those guys. The buyer

582
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: started coming from everywhere. Someone in London became the biggest

583
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: buyer of Stella. But when you and I were buying

584
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: years ago, it was easier. You know, I get a

585
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: royalty check for seventy grand and I'd buy Stella. You

586
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: couldn't do that. After a while, it just got crazy.

587
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Do you buy anything now?

588
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: You know something that I mean, I don't want to

589
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: get into numbers, but if you spend ten thousand dollars

590
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 2: on something which meant something then but it wasn't make

591
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: or break that same artist now is two hundred and fifty,

592
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: just as you know, starts crazy. And you know, a

593
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: lot of this is like it's a guessing. You know,

594
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: it's a lot more people have got into it, but

595
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: it's just like another commodity or you know, like they're

596
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: investing in the stock market. So it's changed a lot,

597
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: and so you have to know, Like to me, it's

598
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: like it's like Wall Street. You have to know the

599
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: right people. To me, there's like ten people running you know,

600
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: the art business, and the same as Wall Street. I

601
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: don't know about music, but in our sport it's the same.

602
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: You know, Wimbledon, you four majors, few other people, they're

603
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: running the whole thing. It's crazy. What's Johnny Mack's commissioner?

604
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: Come on, skip?

605
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of play guitar? Have you ever

606
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: played for you?

607
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: Oh?

608
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: I have to tell you. You know every well not everybody.

609
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: We've gone to Cabo Christmas to New Year's with Larry,

610
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: David and Ashley and Patty and John Eaton myself and

611
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: Jeff Schaeffer and his wife as well. And at night

612
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: John takes the guitar out and Patty sings they performed

613
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 3: for us, and I always do John. I always give

614
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: John a hard time about this because Patty every once

615
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: in a while will say these words, follow this singer,

616
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: follow the singer. She says to John's.

617
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Important, got to do that?

618
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: What You're dead?

619
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: But glad she no, She's just she's just the greatest

620
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: and she's a great sport. And you know I was

621
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: listening earlier when John was you know, sort of kidding

622
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: about relationships. This is one couple that genuinely love each other.

623
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I mean, I've got so many friends. You know,

624
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: you'll be on the golf course, the phone all light up.

625
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: Their wife is on the phone, go oh god, it's

626
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: my wife. You know, John's happy when he hears from

627
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: Patty and vice versa, and it's really great. They're just

628
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: they're just terrific together when you and when you're with them,

629
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, over at their home and you know they're entertaining,

630
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: all the kids are there, and it's you know, it's

631
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: it's just a great family and a lot of a

632
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: lot of fun and a lot of great experiences that

633
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: we've had together. But I was going to just mention

634
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 3: something we were talking earlier.

635
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Let me say something real quick, because about five years ago,

636
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: Patty was like, because you know, I'd like to play

637
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: and stuff, She'd be like, God, do you have to

638
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: play the guitar today? You know, could you take like

639
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: a day off? And you know, not really if I

640
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: can avoid it. And then finally she goes, all right,

641
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You can play guitar as long

642
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: as you don't sing.

643
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: I've got a few friends like that.

644
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: And then when you play acoustic guitar, it feels like

645
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: you need to sing a little bit, you know. Even

646
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: though that's why Patty's in New York right now, I'm gonna,

647
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, see her in a couple of days, but

648
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: this is the perfect time for me to belt it

649
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: out on the acoustic. Later, after you get off, I

650
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: can sing my you know, horrible song all I want.

651
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Do you ever write, John, Do you ever write something?

652
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: You know? I did? I did write in the beginning.

653
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: I wrote some original stuff, and then I recorded some stuff.

654
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: And so luckily I put in this contract that i'd

655
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: signed with people that you can't release it unless I

656
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 2: approve it, you know, because I had people in the

657
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: eighties we'll get some great musicians and you know, we'll

658
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: bring everyone in. And I was like, well, I don't

659
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: know about that. I, you know, really not a very

660
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: good guitar player. And I got better. I thought, okay,

661
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, I because I did want that camaraderie, you know, tennis.

662
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: For all those years, I was on my own most

663
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: almost all the time, and so the idea of playing

664
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: in a band appeal to me. The problem was, I

665
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: realized quick I remember I used to rehearse with these

666
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: young bucks that I thought, you know, they're gonna bring

667
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: a lot of energy. This is gonna be great. I'd say, look,

668
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: rehearsals at twelve because I got to pick my kids

669
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: up at school at three. You know, no one got

670
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: there at twelve. The first guy shows up at twelve fifteen,

671
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: twelve thirty, the second guy show up at like one.

672
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: The third guy would call a gay. We're still jamming,

673
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's one fifteen and I got to

674
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: stop at three, and you're asking me for jamming. So

675
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: then I'm like, maybe this kind of thing was better

676
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: after all, you know.

677
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: You know, Jackie Shaeffer, Jeff's wife, was saying to me,

678
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: what you know, when they were playing together and singing

679
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: and everything. I mean, she said, this is for real.

680
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: I can't get over this. They really love to do this.

681
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: I said, listen, you know the term garage band. At

682
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: his home in Malibu, they literally go into the garage

683
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: that's there, like you have a studio at home. Paul,

684
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: he has a garage at his home and they're out

685
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: there and they're banging out songs, and it's just.

686
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: I have to just correct skip a little bit. I

687
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: love to do that.

688
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: Okay, do you know much music? Great music was made

689
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in garages. Let's go back to Motown when I recorded Detroit,

690
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: and that'll start in the sixties. Some of the best

691
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: stuff came out of a garage, and a lot of

692
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: the stuff today's Skip and John is done in bedrooms.

693
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Just sit around with the computer and do whatever you want.

694
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: It's different, that's part. I can't figure that out. You know,

695
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: that whole computer, that's like way beyond me. That's why

696
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just seems crazy. You can put

697
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: everything together and you don't even need other people. I

698
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: guess if you're a depth at a computer technology, where'd

699
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: you write My Way? By the way, just out of

700
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: curiosity or garage?

701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: I elevated from a garage. I lived in a garage

702
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: and I wrote Diana. I was in a basement and

703
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: that was a different time, no technology. But My Way

704
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: was written at midnight thunderstorm, motivated by Sinatra. The prior

705
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: week I was down in Florida with him and he

706
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: was retiring. He wasn't in a good mood. He was

707
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: breaking up with his twenty one year old wife, then

708
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Mia Farrell, So he wasn't in the best of shape.

709
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, it was midnight at home at a piano

710
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: in my apartment. Finished it in five hours, called him

711
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: at Caesar's Palace and I said, I've got something for you,

712
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: which I didn't have the balls to do years prior

713
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: to that, and I flew out. I gave it to him,

714
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: but two months later he played it to me over

715
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: the phone. But that was just done around a piano.

716
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: You know, we had things we work with one little

717
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: tape machine John back then, and it's evolved into crazy world.

718
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: When I wrote with Drake, for instance, I had the

719
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: last hit with Michael Jackson. It don't matter to me,

720
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: and Drake came to my home and we sat there.

721
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I said, well, what do you play? He says, I

722
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: don't we do it on a computer. I said, well,

723
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: you take what I've written and you go home and

724
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: you call me when you've finished it, and we'll see

725
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: whether we're going to put it out. It's a whole

726
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: new business today. And Patty, she's smart, she's well versed

727
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: at what's going on today. It's all technology, it's all streaming.

728
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: It's a different world, totally different.

729
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: It's so different, so different. Tennis is a lot different also,

730
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: I mean it's a totally different game as well than

731
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: what I played back with Wood. I started with, would

732
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: this is like a totally different thing? Now?

733
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I experienced all of that. I mean obviously

734
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: with what's going on today, and look, you're obviously if

735
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: not the greatest player of all time. How do you

736
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: feel about the sport now? Where do you see these

737
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: young players coming from? What's with the game today?

738
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game is evolve into something that I would

739
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: have not expected in terms of this actual speed and

740
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 2: the style, you know, where everyone's more or less staying

741
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: back and we used to be more aggressive and becoming

742
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: in net So that's surprising. I think we were ahead

743
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: of the curb. We started the very beginning. You know

744
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: that there was equal prize money because you know, for

745
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: men and women, which I think is a good thing

746
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: for our sport that we you know, people, I think

747
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: other sports will end up modeling themselves. After you saw

748
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 2: the NCAA women's basketball outrated the men's. It was tough

749
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: when I was young, you know, and the guys on

750
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: the tour like equal prize money, you crazy, you know,

751
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: But later on I saw the advantage. And also I

752
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: had four girls and two boys, and you know Billy

753
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: Jean King with Title nine, what that meant to so

754
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: many young girls that they felt like they were given

755
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 2: the chance. So I think in that sense it's headed

756
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: to a good place. Problem is is is you know,

757
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: I again marketing a cool factor, getting and most importantly

758
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: getting the young kids that can't afford the play. You know,

759
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: in most cases they're playing football or basketball an opportunity

760
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: to play tennis. So that's you know what I've been

761
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: trying to do for years at my tennis academy in

762
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: New York, you know, fundraise and try to give as

763
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: many opportunities as possible to change young kids' lives.

764
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: The Saudis have sort of taken over golf. You know,

765
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 3: we'd live golf. It's made such a huge impact on

766
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: the sport. Do you think that the Saudis will take

767
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: a look at tennis as well the same way they

768
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: did with golf.

769
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, they already have, and they already are. They've already

770
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, a big event, they're throwing like a billion

771
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: dollars into it. I don't think it's as much as

772
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: golf yet, but they've already taken over some sponsorships, rankings,

773
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: you know, so they're there, their brand's going to be

774
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: out there. I personally don't agree with it. I don't

775
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: think that we needed to go there. It's just obvious

776
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: to me. It's obviously about the money. But you know,

777
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: that's what's been happening more and more in society. So

778
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: I think it's hypocritical for people to criticize golfer tennis

779
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: when every time Dickon Harry and business deals with the

780
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 2: Saudi's and government stew So they shouldn't be singling our

781
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: sports out and saying how dare they do that? I

782
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 2: do think, you know, it would have been better not

783
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: to do it. Yet, I suppose there's a time and

784
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 2: a place for anything. You keep your options open. But uh,

785
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. You know, money talks more than ever,

786
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: the richer getting richer. It's a crazy world out there.

787
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: Nothing's changed. What do you see pickleball today?

788
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 2: Is it as far as pickleball? Pickleball blows Paul as

789
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. But you know, my kids like

790
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: to play. Yeah, I'm not my kids, my friends, you know,

791
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: like to play. It's it's it's obviously for me in

792
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: a way, I'm sixty five. Now, it's a lot you know, smaller,

793
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: coord easier to do. It's a plastic ball. You ever

794
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: played with football? And you know New York City? I mean,

795
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: come on, is that baseball or arena football where they

796
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: play instead of the NFL. I mean, it's that's the

797
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: way I look at it. To me, you have look

798
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: a pyramid. The tennis is the king of the sports,

799
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: and you have now pidell is coming in and pickleball

800
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: and squash was you know, it's gonna take over. Racketball

801
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: was gonna take over boloney, is what I think. But

802
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: you know, people get out there and if it gives

803
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: them a little you know, motivation to work out, God

804
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: bless him. I mean, doctor's a thrill. People are getting.

805
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: Hurt left and right right.

806
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: I just saw I happen to be watching, you know,

807
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: some golf and I saw, you know, one of the

808
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: fittest older guys ever, Bernard Langer Tory's Achilles playing pickleball

809
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. And this guy prides himself on, you know,

810
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: being mister fitness for you know, his whole life and

811
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: he and he is, But something happened there, So it'll

812
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens with it. But hopefully

813
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: both can. You know, I don't want it to like,

814
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: you know, not work. It's I don't have enough for

815
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: strong enough feeling either way, but I hopefully will help

816
00:39:53,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: create some more interest in racket sports, particularly tennis.

817
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: Paul Yes, get when John talks about the fact that,

818
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, he's sixty five now, and it talks about injuries.

819
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: So one day John came over to my house to

820
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 3: watch the Super Bowl, and when he came in the door,

821
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: he was sort of limping a bit, and I looked

822
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: at his knee, and his knee was the size of

823
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: a large grapefruit. I couldn't believe the size of this thing.

824
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: So I have a game ready ice machine at home

825
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 3: really compresses and gets the cold right into the joint.

826
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 3: So I said, you want to try this? He said sure,

827
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 3: so wrapped up his leg. So while we were sitting there,

828
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: I said, you've had surgery on this knee, right? No,

829
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 3: you never had surge around this name. No, you've had

830
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: how many surgeries have you had? None? What an athlete

831
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: all your life in a sport with all that cutting,

832
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: not a knee surgery, Not a neck surger, not a

833
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 3: shoulder surgery. Now I'm obviously a better athlete because I've

834
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 3: had two shoulder surgeries, three knee surgeries and next surgery,

835
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: so I must be a better athlete. But he all

836
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: kidding aside the fact that he's been able to escape

837
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: that amazing. I think the only three great current athletes

838
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: that haven't had you know, orthpeedic surgery or John Lebron

839
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: James and Serena Williams. But you know, any other athlete,

840
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 3: most every other athlete has had surgery at one form

841
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: or another. It's rather remarkable.

842
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: That's a wild stat.

843
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: Well little luck, little luck, you know, and also being

844
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: taught well the movement, you know, to sort of be

845
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: above the court, like Federer a little bit. But Federer

846
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: end up having you know, he had problems with That's

847
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: why he was forced to retire. He had like two

848
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: three knee surgeries. I've tore him my minist twice. But

849
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: I chose having some shots and rehabbing as opposed to

850
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 2: a surgery. So I've been lucky that the body's held

851
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 2: up for the and held up when I was play.

852
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: I am, for the most part, I ever had like

853
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: serious injuries. I'm gonna knock on wood now because my

854
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: friends are gonna go play Bicker Baltimorerow and I'll be

855
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: like brenarn Langers.

856
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, two days after the Super Bowl he got

857
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: on a plane and fluted to buy and played tennis.

858
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 3: So go figure, right, But you know, I think part

859
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: of it is your discipline. You're one of the most

860
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: disciplined friends I have, and your routine is rather extraordinary

861
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: as well. I mean, obviously you're fit, but you know,

862
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: one of his favorite things, Paul, after we play golf,

863
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: he'll go home to Malibu, gets in the sauna and

864
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: then jumps in the ocean. That's his version of a

865
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: cold plunge, and he goes in the ocean. But he

866
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: just does these things on a regular basis. He's really just.

867
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: I love the ocean. I mean, I've had a I

868
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: live in two of the greatest places in the world

869
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: to me. In New York City, I grew up in

870
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: the city, but I was dreamed of making in Manhattan

871
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: and live there. I've been been there for forty forty

872
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: five years, and out in Malibu, I've had a home

873
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: for almost that long, and I just it's great to

874
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 2: have that option I'm lucky, you know, to be able

875
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: to go some crazy energy and then be able to

876
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: kick it back a little bit. But I feel like

877
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: I almost have to work out, you know, just at

878
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: some degree. It keeps me sane. And sauna is a

879
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: you know, a semi shortcut, but it's still you know,

880
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: especially when the Corona thing hit and where everyone was,

881
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: you know, stay in your house. I'm like, what, you

882
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: can't even leave your house? I mean, the air was

883
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: better in in La than it had been for eighty years,

884
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: and meanwhile they're telling us not to go outside, can't

885
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: go on the beach. What the beach? The water is

886
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: cleaner than it's been since you know, eighteen forty three.

887
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: So it was great, but it and then they were like, hey,

888
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: a sauna could help with the virus. So, you know,

889
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: me and my buddy who was in Rage against the Machine,

890
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: the Great Band, you know, we'd go in every day

891
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: because we like, it's sauna is going to kill the

892
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: corona virus. You know, what the hell did we know?

893
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: What the hell do we still know?

894
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: How do you stay fit?

895
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: John?

896
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: Don't you?

897
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: At ninety four?

898
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: I'm a health nut, you know, I do a variety

899
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: of things you know, I'm as I've gotten older, are

900
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: doing a little bit more lifting type stuff to say,

901
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, get some strength cardio wise. I still try

902
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 2: to get out and you know, tennis court when I

903
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: can three days a week, you know, every other day

904
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: or something occasionally a little more. I used to love.

905
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: I haven't done it much recent. Mountain biking. I love

906
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: to go mountain bike, so that would keep me going.

907
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: And so those those are the you know, a stationary bike,

908
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: which gets boring. You know, we do a lot of

909
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: sitting as a society obviously all the time. So I'm

910
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: trying to do more stuff, you know where we stand

911
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: up a little bit. But you look great, Paul. I

912
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: got to say, man, Skip, I don't I'm not sure

913
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: about Skip, but you look really good.

914
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: Ninety eight years old Joan ninety eight years old, ninety

915
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: eight years old, Joe, what's your what's your eating house?

916
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: Because I'm a big medical nut and I'm careful what

917
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: goes in my body. But you look fantastic. You state,

918
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: then how do you eat?

919
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a lot of it is a metabolism.

920
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: I mean I watch what I eat, but I can

921
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: eat anything I can, you know, I like to have

922
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: a couple of drinks. I can eat any food. It

923
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. Just things seem to, for whatever reason,

924
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: run through pretty quick. But you know, if I was

925
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: doing something where I needed the body to feel better,

926
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: I'd be more focused on, you know, trying to eat

927
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: the right thing. But I also love the occasion. You know,

928
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: pizza is my favorite junk food without a doubt. I love,

929
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: you know, a good nice cold beer every now and then.

930
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: Shot at tequila can't kill you, right, So you know,

931
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: I think part of it drogged of reeve. You need

932
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of that, just you know, I got to,

933
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, I feel like at this stage, I want to,

934
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: you know, enjoy like what Hopefully there's going to be

935
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: some good amount of time left. But what about you?

936
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 2: What's your what do you you just said you watch

937
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: what you eat? How how far do you take that?

938
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: I take it pretty far. I don't do any sugar,

939
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: I do any white bread. I don't drink any alcohol.

940
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm a bore. But I have an exciting side to

941
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: me which we won't go into. And I eat, you know,

942
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: very little meat. I get up in the morning. There's

943
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: certain juices I take. I do you know, I try

944
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: to keep my voice. It's all I got. It's all

945
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: in here, you know, yours is up in here and

946
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: your physical and if you don't take care of it.

947
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: I watched, you know, coming up with the rat pack

948
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: and the Mafia crowd and all of that stuff. Who

949
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: are great, you know. I love being around them, but

950
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: you learned a lot of things not to do. But

951
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: you have to take care of it. And there's certain

952
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: things that you can't eat. I'm not a smoker, never

953
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: gonna smoke. I'll do a cigar now and then, but

954
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm very, very careful. Especially when I'm going to start

955
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: a concert tour. I get into a real certain kind

956
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: of a zone. Otherwise you just can't get up there

957
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: and sing. You just can't do it. That's why I

958
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: see so many guys today just quitting at an early

959
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: age or getting banged up vocally. It's really important.

960
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: For you, man. I saw the Eagles last night, and they,

961
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're all like, you know, very you know,

962
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: aware of that for you know, don especially Henley for

963
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: his vook.

964
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: So I think gayzof stays on top of him too.

965
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do it, don't do that.

966
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: Mac Paul Paul performs. Now he's eighty two years old,

967
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: he's still touring and I can tell you he's his

968
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: show right now. The energy that he puts out is

969
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: really no different than when I first saw him forty

970
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: years ago. I don't know how he does it, but

971
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: he does it. So whatever he's doing is certainly working

972
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: for him.

973
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I'd love to check it out.

974
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: But speaking of endurance, my son John wanted me to

975
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: tell you that we've never mentioned this too. And you know,

976
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm originally from Hartford and in July of nineteen age

977
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 3: eighty seven, you played that famous Davis Cup match in

978
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: Hartford against Boris Becker. Are you ready for this, Paul,

979
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 3: six hours and twenty minutes one tennis match, six hours

980
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: and twenty minutes. And the irony of it is it

981
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 3: was one minut It less than the longest match ever

982
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: played in the history. But six hours and twenty minutes

983
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: they played tennis. And I won't I won't talk about

984
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 3: who won the match because of our guests, but.

985
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was up two sets to one, and

986
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: in those days, they took a ten minute break between

987
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: the third and fourth set, and I get into the

988
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: locker room and I lay on this training table and

989
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: I go to the trainerman. You gotta you gotta give

990
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: me a little rub here, because I'm getting a little

991
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: bit like my I'm losing and I this only happened

992
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: twice in my entire career and in my entire life.

993
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: After he massaged me a little bit, try to loosen

994
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: me up, I got off off the table. I started

995
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: a walk and I looked back at the table and

996
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: I saw my body there. I it was like I

997
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 2: walked out of my body and I had absolutely nothing.

998
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, that last bit was like it was painful

999
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: because I couldn't bring it. And that happened to me

1000
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: in the finals of the US Open against Evonne Lendel.

1001
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 2: One time we've played, you know my day. We played

1002
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: the semifinals and finals Saturday and Sunday. Well, it's hard

1003
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: to recover if you played a five setter and ninety

1004
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: degree weather and then have to come back the next day.

1005
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 2: Can what how physically you know it can be in

1006
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: the recovery. And I was playing Lendel and I was up.

1007
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: I actually got a good start and I was up

1008
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: five too, and I got up out of my chair

1009
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: and I started walking out and I looked back and

1010
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I have just walked out

1011
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: of my body and I'm still sitting on the changeover.

1012
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 2: Not a good feeling, let me just say that. And

1013
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: so that ended up being like a turning point in

1014
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: a way. You know, if I had won that match,

1015
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: I still would have been number one that year. So

1016
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: it was that was that was a depressing moment. But

1017
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 2: fortunately it only happened twice. But it's a bad feeling.

1018
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: And how about depressing? How about how Boris has wound

1019
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: up that's sex.

1020
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's and quite an unfortunate chain of events.

1021
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: But the good news is that he got out pretty

1022
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 2: quick and he seems to be back on his feet.

1023
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: David Zaslov, who skip mentioned, kept him employed with the

1024
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: Eurosport because they owned he owns everything, but that was

1025
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: one of the things. And so that was, you know,

1026
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: a lifeline in a way. And he's trying to get

1027
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: back into coaching, but it's really aged him. You know,

1028
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 2: he's had there's the guy who's had ten twelve surgeries

1029
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: at least his body's falling apart. But you know, a

1030
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: lot of that to me would be a connection between

1031
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: the mind and body. And the strain he was, you know,

1032
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 2: putting himself under. I always be like, Bars, you all right, man?

1033
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: Is everything cool? You know, because he's the guy that

1034
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 2: I would consider if I had have picked ten tennis

1035
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: players over the years of my top you know buddies,

1036
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: he'd be one of those. So to see that fall

1037
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: was rough. You know. I remember when I was at

1038
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: Wimbledon and he was in jail and I said, I

1039
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 2: don't know if you're listening, Bars. When I started BBCD

1040
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: because I worked for BBC, but I love you man,

1041
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: And because I couldn't go see him, I was going

1042
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: to go see him, but they you know, he couldn't.

1043
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: He only see one visit or a month or something.

1044
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: He wanted to see his his wife or his kid

1045
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: or something. And so I heard that he saw that,

1046
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: which was you know, made me feel good and and

1047
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: hopefully kept him going. And then he's hopefully he's going

1048
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: to get back on track. But he made some pretty

1049
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: dumb ass moves.

1050
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very, very sad.

1051
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1052
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: Paul mack Is is revered by the other tennis players,

1053
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: I think partly certainly because of he's demonstrated what you

1054
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: can do after tennis when you look at his his

1055
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: career as a broadcaster. They look at that and they think, wow,

1056
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: that's that's something to aspire to. But you know, you

1057
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: think about what he's accomplished in that, and you know

1058
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 3: that when we were playing golf on on his actually

1059
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: on his sixtieth birthday, we're playing golf together and his

1060
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: phone was raining the whole time we were out there

1061
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: with all the other you know, tennis greats calling him up,

1062
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: all the legends calling him checking in, wishing him happy birthday.

1063
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: You know, he's got such a great relationship. But the

1064
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 3: other thing that he's done is, and I don't want

1065
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 3: to embarrass him, but he gives back where a lot

1066
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: of these athletes don't. He's got this foundation. Maybe you

1067
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: could just talk about that, John, what you've done with

1068
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 3: your foundation, which I think is pretty cool.

1069
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you bringing it up. I mean I

1070
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 2: was given a lot, you know, I guess I don't

1071
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: know if you ever read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell,

1072
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: but things sort of fell into place for me where

1073
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: I got these chances that a lot of people don't

1074
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: even get. So it dawned on me a little bit.

1075
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier with the art gallery, I was like,

1076
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I got to shift back to this

1077
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: tennis because I was fortunate and I want to give

1078
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 2: other kids. My ultimate dream would be a kid from

1079
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: Harlem to win the US Open. That came from my academy.

1080
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: So that goal to try to you know, give as

1081
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: many kids as possible a chance has sort of become

1082
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: my you know, lifelong mission at this point. And so

1083
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: I think there's you know, there's a there's a real

1084
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: satisfaction because it keeps me close to it. The commentary

1085
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: that you mentioned, you know, play I played on the

1086
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: seniors tour for twenty five years. I played close to

1087
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: sixty and it feels like it's nonsensical not to do it,

1088
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: to be perfectly honest, And I think there's payback. I mean,

1089
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: who would have thought, like last year, that I'm you know,

1090
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: a dropout. I was a college dropout at Stamford, and

1091
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: I became the first athlete in one hundred and twenty

1092
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: years to you know, make the commencement speech at Stamford.

1093
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: You know, it was like, well, hopefully I'm doing something right,

1094
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 2: you know, So I'm going to keep pursuing that I

1095
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: was involved in you know, other charitable things, but I've

1096
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: sort of honed in on this one at this stage

1097
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: because that's what you know, that's the reason I'm talking

1098
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: to you guys, And hopefully when all is said and done,

1099
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 2: this you know, I'm a believer that you don't have to,

1100
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: you know, leave your family at twelve and move to

1101
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: voluntaries in Florida and you know, live and train there

1102
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: and be away from your brothers and sisters. That you

1103
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: could live, god forbid, like a normal life. Well if

1104
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: you call living in New York City normal, but go

1105
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: to school and play other sports and go to college,

1106
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm trying to give them some values

1107
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: as well. It's his life.

1108
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: Skills, reinventing yourself, you know.

1109
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: I think that what I take pride in is that

1110
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: I was willing to try some things that ended up

1111
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: not working out. You could say I failed that I

1112
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: don't look at it necessarily as a failure. I mean

1113
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 2: I had a talk show, I had a game show

1114
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: at the art gallery, you know, and all those things

1115
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: led me back to a place where I could still

1116
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 2: be part of the sport and do it in a

1117
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 2: different way. Commentary was interesting because I remember telling people

1118
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: I go, don't ever ask me about being a commentator

1119
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 2: or you know, playing senior centers, because that's the last

1120
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: thing I want to do. It's like, you know, dude,

1121
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: that's lame, man. But it gave me an opportunity for

1122
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: people to see me in a different way. I think,

1123
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't show the type of personality that

1124
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: Skip sees so often on the golf course. Maybe maybe

1125
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm a little funnier that I don't take myself too seriously,

1126
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 2: And that was when I wasn't showing that too good

1127
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: while I was playing so on as a commentator, I

1128
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: was able to show some different sides in my personality

1129
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: while also hopefully explaining to people what's going on in

1130
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: the tennis court. You know that I knew what was

1131
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: going on there. So that turned out to be a

1132
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: blessing for me, you know, and you know it's in

1133
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: my blood playing tennis. So the opportunity to you still

1134
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: love performing, You go out there, you love it. You

1135
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: don't need to do it, but I got to do

1136
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: that for a long time, you know, my body, And finally,

1137
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: at like sixty, it's like, okay, mister McEnroe, come this way,

1138
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: because you're never going to play another singles match as

1139
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: long as it live. Okay, thank you, you know, because

1140
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: it's hard to say no to that in ay, especially

1141
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: when they're you know, paying you more mine than he

1142
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: deserved the gat. So for the most part, I've you know,

1143
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: I think that the time, having kids, going through a

1144
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, divorce, having a second chance, a second marriage

1145
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: has been successful. All these life lessons have helped me

1146
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: get to a better place. Actually, I believe where I

1147
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in a way more fulfilled than I've

1148
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: ever been.

1149
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: You know, John and I when people say what kept

1150
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: you going and how did you keep that energy and

1151
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: being positive? I said, you know, a lot of it's revenge.

1152
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: They look at me and I remember you said in

1153
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: the past that anger can be used in positive ways.

1154
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: Do you feel that it's made you a better player

1155
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 1: or worse player? That it was not a factor at all?

1156
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, it made me a better player most of the time.

1157
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: When I was younger. I think when I had kids,

1158
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: I felt more like, why am I doing this? Because

1159
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 2: I don't need to be doing this. I'm evolving, hopefully

1160
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 2: as a person and changing. But it felt like it

1161
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: was almost like a cigarette smoker that couldn't quit, and

1162
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 2: then people sort of expected it, you know. So I mean,

1163
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: I said, you cannot be serious once in a fifteen

1164
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: year career, and there's not a day that goes by

1165
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: that someone doesn't say that to me. And I'd go

1166
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: on the Seniors Tour, for example. I played twenty five

1167
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 2: years on that tour more or less, and I could

1168
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 2: hit a great what I thought was a great shot,

1169
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: and people would, you know, polight applause, And then if

1170
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: I yell you can't be serious, and you know, they yeah,

1171
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: you know, they all look crazy, and I'm like, and

1172
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: then I got to the point I'd say it kiddingly,

1173
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: but it's half true. I didn't get paid unless I

1174
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: said it. It's like, what, this is pathetic, but it's

1175
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 2: also awesome them at the same time. Maybe that's the

1176
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: way life is sometimes.

1177
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: You know John Highton son Ethan, he's been playing tennis

1178
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: a long time, won trophies, and one day came he said,

1179
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: data want to go pro. And you know from legacy

1180
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: and you know a few of the guys I know,

1181
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: they said, don't let him do it. It's the most

1182
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: toughest life to send a kid out and become a

1183
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: pro what's your feeling on that? And he's kind of

1184
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: backed off.

1185
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 2: Now, Well, you know, this is a this is an

1186
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: issue that is obviously been around the sports and other

1187
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: entertainment thing your line of work, I think entertainment in general,

1188
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: maybe all walks of life. You know that you feel

1189
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: like the mental health aspect, I mean, bord quit never

1190
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: played a major after twenty five. I mean, do you

1191
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: think that had anything to do with a lot of

1192
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: these things that were going on. It wasn't just like

1193
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: he quit. There was a lot of other things that

1194
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: I won't get into, will take too long, But you know,

1195
00:58:54,800 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: Naomi Osaka came and you know she could handle it

1196
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: in certain ways that fear of failure gets so overwhelming,

1197
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, for a lot of Nick Curios is a

1198
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: great example to me, one of the most talented guys

1199
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: that's been in our sport in ten fifteen years, and

1200
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: half the time it feels like he can't even try.

1201
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: Why is that? You know, so you you admire guys

1202
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: like Nadal that can go out and bring it and

1203
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, like every shot. Jimmy Connors was like that.

1204
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: We we butted heads and we didn't like each other

1205
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, but I sure respected what

1206
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: he brought to the court, and that's how Nadal is now.

1207
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: And so I look in Naomia Soaka. She obviously had

1208
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: some issues. I said. My attempt at a joke was,

1209
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 2: I it's tough making seventy million a year. I mean,

1210
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how you can handle.

1211
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 3: That's Jesus nice, that's rough.

1212
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: So and then Simone biles that gymnasts had the same thing,

1213
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: and you know, but the problem with that is, and

1214
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: I think it's good that, especially with the pandemic where

1215
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: people were freaking out and that affected a lot of people,

1216
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: keeping them in more than the actual as it turned out,

1217
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: the you know, the virus in itself is you know, now,

1218
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: every time I see Naomi Osaka, and I think other

1219
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 2: people they you look at her even more carefully. Is

1220
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: she okay? And she looked good about competing how she feels?

1221
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: You know, you're all looking at that. And I don't

1222
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: think that she wants people to look at her that way.

1223
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 2: But I respect what she tried to do. I hope

1224
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 2: it works out. But this has been going on in

1225
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: sports for you know, ever since sports started, especially when

1226
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: money came into it.

1227
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, John a question you brought her up. I wasn't

1228
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 1: going to Jimmy, Jimmy our boy, Jimmy who butt it heads?

1229
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear the record I recorded and did

1230
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: with Howard Cosell on the television?

1231
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: Yes? You?

1232
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: Did you hear the duet?

1233
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 4: We did?

1234
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: Yes? I did.

1235
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: If I knew you were playing guitar.

1236
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: I said, sick to his day, you should ask me

1237
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 2: to play guitar with you.

1238
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I wanted you to come in.

1239
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know you played back then, I would have

1240
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: asked you that I didn't.

1241
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1242
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 3: Don't worry, you know, and he didn't.

1243
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: Quit his day job either. I said, oh man, this

1244
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: is going to be an undertaking. That was a funny.

1245
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: That was one of the toughest things I ever had

1246
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: to do.

1247
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: Well for your second toughest is if you decide to,

1248
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: you know, write me a tune now.

1249
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 3: And we'll you know, I take a chats with you, all.

1250
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: Right, John mcinn open for Paul Anka and he's got

1251
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: a new new album. Actually I haven't put out any

1252
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: album yet. That was when I was telling you about

1253
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 2: the album. I wouldn't let him release it, and I

1254
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: remember I had, uh I did all these songs and

1255
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, the vocals are not quite

1256
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: up to par here. And at one point, this guy

1257
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: Eddie Kramer, who was the engineer for Hendrisy's records. He

1258
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: was around New York and I knew people he knew.

1259
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: He came in and so we listened to these songs

1260
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: he was engineering them, and then I go, Eddie, you

1261
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: got to fix those vocals. And he's like, that's not

1262
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: what I do, Mike, you know, And I'm like, what

1263
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: do you mean, That's not what you do. That's what

1264
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: they tell like you came for. I was like, yeah,

1265
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 2: you're out of here, forget it. So I never you know,

1266
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: if I can get Patty to sing, that'd be. Actually

1267
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: my goal was because all my girls are good singers.

1268
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: I have four, four girls, and Patty, I mean, they

1269
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 2: seem just natural, so might My goal was always to

1270
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 2: be the Partridge family, you know, together, and we're gonna

1271
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: do it. So it's not looking good.

1272
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: Though, So John, if I took in the studio we

1273
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: messed around, would you bless it? If we had something good?

1274
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: Can you sing? I mean, you know, with otto, I.

1275
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: Stay in tune, let's put it that way. But I'm

1276
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: not a very good singer. I wish I could tell

1277
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: you I'm good. I do gigs. I just played at

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Speaker 2: Indian Wells. At the event, Patty sang a couple with me.

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Speaker 2: I sing some, but that's only because I couldn't get

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Speaker 2: the sing. My goal was always to be like Carlos Intana,

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Speaker 2: you know, to be the guitar player, sort of the

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Speaker 2: pseudo leader, but not be the singer. I like to

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Speaker 2: sing like backup vocals. I'm not a you know I'm in.

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: I like to a decent backup vocalist.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to hear your stuff. I'd just be

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Speaker 1: curious we would have gotten No, you wouldn't, No, you wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I'll be the judge of that. Listen, I got Warren

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Speaker 1: Buffett to sing, and I'll leave it at that.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I thought I got Jimmy Buffett to sing on

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Speaker 2: the tap. Oh what Warren Buffett? Okay, maybe I have

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Speaker 2: a chance that I might be as good as Warren possible.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you you without hearing you you

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Speaker 1: probably are, but I love to hear your work.

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Speaker 3: I'll wrap it up this way. This is a guy

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Speaker 3: who can do whatever he sets his mind to and

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Speaker 3: I mean that, and I mean that sincerely. He is

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Speaker 3: just you know, when he spoke at Stanford, he talked

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Speaker 3: to the kids about pivoting. I mean, he knows how

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Speaker 3: to pivot, he knows how to do He's just multi dimensional.

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Speaker 3: This is a guy that you know, known as being

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the great tennis players of all time,

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Speaker 3: turns around becomes one of the great broadcasters in the

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Speaker 3: sport of all time. And you know we talked about

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Speaker 3: earlier about his art collecting and his music is foundation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there are other guys that we

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Speaker 3: know we won't name names. You know, they sort of

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Speaker 3: rest on their laurels, right, they reach a certain level

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Speaker 3: of accomplishment and then that's it. Hey, I had a

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Speaker 3: good run, I got plenty of money. Now see you later.

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Speaker 3: Not this guy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks a lot of ski I love you man, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you saying.

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Speaker 3: I love I love you too so much, and we

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Speaker 3: really appreciate you taking the time. He's got it. Oh,

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Speaker 3: it was a lot of fun with your crazy schedule

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01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: running here, running there, and you're always on your way

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Speaker 3: to the airport, going one place or another. And Paul

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Speaker 3: and I appreciate it absolutely Paul.

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Speaker 2: Great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, John. I really appreciate you coming on

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Speaker 1: and being a good friend of my buddy Curly Feathers there.

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Speaker 1: He talks about you all the time.

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Speaker 2: I remember that, Curly Feathers. I like that.

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Speaker 1: But be well, John, I hope to see us somewhere

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Speaker 1: around the music trailer, somewhere in life and proud of

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Speaker 1: what you've accomplished.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think the challenges that you've had in front of you,

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Speaker 1: they're all behind you now. And you've got a good family,

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Speaker 1: which is where it's at today. That's number one. All

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Speaker 1: this other bullshit, Okay Man, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Seem m.

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Speaker 2: I'm about.

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Speaker 1: Our Away with Paul, Anka and Skip Bronson is a

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Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 3: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtog, with supervising producer

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Speaker 3: and editor Marcy Depina.

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Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson, mixed

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Speaker 1: and mastered by the wonderful Mary Do.

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