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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club, flowing out of the backfields,

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Speaker 1: flooding down the sideline. He is hanging with the boys,

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Speaker 1: presented by Wingstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show. It's Monday. It is not Victory Monday.

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Speaker 1: And we've been trying to figure out how to get

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Speaker 1: Jesse Holly off this show for about a year and

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Speaker 1: a half now, So I just want to extend a

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Speaker 1: thank you to the Jones family for resigning Kelly Moore

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Speaker 1: and get Jesse to check and completely out of this

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Speaker 1: show and not even want to be a part of

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Speaker 1: this show. So thank you Jones family for for Oh,

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Speaker 1: there he is he did show up, he is here.

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Speaker 1: Oh can't get rid of me. Kellen Moore coming back

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Speaker 1: was going to do it for us, Jesse Man, oh Man. Well,

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Speaker 1: as you can see, I am officially on vacation. My shirt,

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Speaker 1: my hat. I don't know if I'm good co but

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Speaker 1: I am going somewhere. So I am I'm officially done.

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Speaker 1: I am done, except not for this show. I want

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Speaker 1: to see you guys two more times this week, So

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Speaker 1: today and then Thursday we'll be on at eleven thirty,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll go to once a week every Thursday

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty with the boys. Fellas. I may not look

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Speaker 1: like it, but I am very sad today. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: could not take care of business. So weird feeling, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is so weird because it's like they it's not

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Speaker 1: like they really deserve to be in the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: we nobody thought they really would be, but yet they

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Speaker 1: had a chance. And so now, I mean the Giants

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Speaker 1: put it on about twelve different silver platters and serve

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Speaker 1: them up opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to just please

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Speaker 1: take this game. We don't want to be in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to watch the night game with anything

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Speaker 1: vested in this Cowboys, please just take this, win this

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Speaker 1: game so we don't have to have anything vested. And

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Speaker 1: they just could not get it done. Fellas, Jesse, were

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Speaker 1: you in morning? Is that why you were late? Or

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Speaker 1: did you just forget we had a show? Are you

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Speaker 1: just done? I was doing my best to get here

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Speaker 1: on time. It's okay, it's all right, it's okay, very vague.

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Speaker 1: We've probably better leave it at yea, yeah, got caught

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Speaker 1: cut caught at the train crossing, coming from the other

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Speaker 1: side of the tracks of the trailer park. We understand,

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Speaker 1: we've all been trailer park. There a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of mud, and so I was trying to get out.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to burn rubber get out of them.

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Speaker 1: The wheel just kept spinning, so they had to had

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Speaker 1: to help me get up about in the trailer park.

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Speaker 1: But I'm here, Burt, burning rubber, all right, at the

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Speaker 1: trailer park. Nate, Nate, you are quiet today? What what? What?

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Speaker 1: What you know? Beloved lifelong cowboy Homer on this show?

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Speaker 1: Why are you so quiet? Or your heartbroken? No? No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I talked to Barry Church before the game,

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Speaker 1: and I was just talking to Kurt and I said, Kurt,

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Speaker 1: the biggest game, at the biggest moment, went to have

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to be in the playoffs. I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Buried Church, and Buried Church was sitting us sweating bullets.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Church, what's wrong? He's say, Nate, the biggest games,

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Speaker 1: the biggest moments, with the opportunity all I can remember

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Speaker 1: is we did at three years in a row, at

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Speaker 1: eight and eight, and we failed every time. And I

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Speaker 1: looked at it and I almost just walked out of

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Speaker 1: the studio because at the biggest moments, at the biggest times,

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Speaker 1: to give yourself an opportunity. Guess what the cowboys did.

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Speaker 1: And you know what typical cowboy fashion, they got all

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Speaker 1: of us to buy into. They got us to buy in,

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Speaker 1: then we got let down again. Kurt, what are your thoughts? Well,

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Speaker 1: I said, it's disappointing. I mean, like you put it perfectly,

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Speaker 1: they got and they sucked us back in. You know,

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Speaker 1: it just over and over again. It comes out of

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Speaker 1: the final game and they can't come through. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I was more disappointed than I

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Speaker 1: They didn't make the playoffs even if Jesse, Jesse, what

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Speaker 1: do you think about this? Tell me as a football player,

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Speaker 1: if a team on third down, it's old for a

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Speaker 1: seven in a whole game, shouldn't they lose if you

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Speaker 1: Just yea ahead, man, Well, I just was gonna come.

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Speaker 1: You had that tweet during the game about the defense

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Speaker 1: was trying to play two over the top or two

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Speaker 1: You know, we we had been asking them to be

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah. You know you saw the team come

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Speaker 1: super tough and super physical and super you know everything.

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Speaker 1: Everything was so over the top and yes, you you you.

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Speaker 1: You don't change your game in a ninth inning, right,

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Speaker 1: you like you you when I when I mean be physical,

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Speaker 1: there's a level of being physical at the point of attack, right.

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Speaker 1: I can be physical at the point of attack. I

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Speaker 1: physical at making a tackle. But when you try to

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Speaker 1: over a million views on the Jalen Smith whatever that whatever,

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Speaker 1: that wwe thing that he did when he got into

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Speaker 1: the little pushing shoving back with the off Yeah, then

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Speaker 1: especially on defense, I was just like, who are these

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Speaker 1: be fighters, You guys want to be tough guys. This

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Speaker 1: And this has not been who you've been all year long.

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Speaker 1: It just was. It was It was out a character,

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Speaker 1: why you think this was a hey, let's playing on

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Speaker 1: the body. Somebody spoke up and then deliver the right speech.

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Speaker 1: That's all that was. I'm saying, Jesse, you've been in

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Speaker 1: you say, Jesse, you you're good at six hundred, You're

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Speaker 1: not good at a thousand. I was good at seven fifty,

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Speaker 1: You got to realize that as a player, and all

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Speaker 1: And nobody until at the half I guess Coach McCarthy

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Speaker 1: making adjustments, but there's only like like, at some point

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Speaker 1: knowledge for the game. Now, you can't coach someone's Uh,

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Speaker 1: you can't coach someone's attitude or amp level, or hype level,

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Speaker 1: or smart level or stupidity level. You can't coach those things, right. Uh,

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Speaker 1: damn man. I can't I can't coach every aspect of

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Dallars record when they score less than

426
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Speaker 1: thirty points. They're oh and fifteen, the only NFL team

427
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Speaker 1: without a record, and now they're owing sixteen. Every other

428
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: every other team in the NFL has at least two

429
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: wins when they score a fewer than thirty points. So

430
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are oh and sixteen when they score less

431
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: than thirty points. I mean they're o and yes sixteen

432
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: when they score less than thirty points. Since two thousand

433
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: and nine, this team, this this team has been and

434
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: probably will be going forward, will always be a team

435
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: that is built to have to score points to win.

436
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: Nate and go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. We're not

437
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna fire you man, go ahead on that. Uh that

438
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: that that that's built to win that way. And when

439
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: you don't and you don't have a defense that's going

440
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: to be able to step up when it consider and

441
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: basis and see that's why we and I think Nate

442
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: was the one who coined it the last a couple

443
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, that don't don't don't bite the cheese,

444
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: and don't fall for the fool's goal. That's what happened

445
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: the last three games leading up to the Giants. We

446
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: we we it was fool's goal. And then we're getting

447
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: we got into the game and all of a sudden,

448
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: now we couldn't block anybody, we couldn't run, we couldn't

449
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: score points. And I know that you don't have your

450
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: q your QB. I get it, I understand it, but

451
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: you have to understand what you are as a unit

452
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe Mike and Nolan and Kellen don't quite

453
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: fully understand what they have with this team. I mean,

454
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you had them all year long. Uh, but this this

455
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: is a team who it's so frustrated because we see

456
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: the names, and we look at the rosters and we

457
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: compare names to other rosters, and the difference is ours

458
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: don't equate to w's not significant enough W. And that's

459
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: the frustrating part is when you look around the league

460
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: and you're saying, man, this guy is as good as

461
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: this guy, but this guy on the other team that

462
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: may not be as good as a guy that's really

463
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: good on our team helped them equate to victories. Now,

464
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean. We don't have enough

465
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: show to list the number of things. Is it coaching?

466
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: Is it? Players? It is it? Ownership? Is it we

467
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 1: don't trust me? We can go an entire week trying

468
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: to break this whole thing down. Bottom line is it's

469
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: it's sad, it's frustrating. It's unfortunate that a team built

470
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 1: like this it can't produce victories, especially in the moments

471
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Speaker 1: when it mattered. This game was was literally put The

472
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: Giants really had nothing to play for and I truly believe,

473
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: I truly believe if we would have given them a

474
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: reason to quit, they probably would have shut it down.

475
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: They probably would to shut it down because they're not

476
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: playing for and you know they're playing for something, but

477
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: they're not playing for something. We kind of knew how

478
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: that Washington game was gonna end. We knew that that

479
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: that was gonna end bad for whoever was playing in

480
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: that in the early morning game. But we went out

481
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: there and they gave us. They literally gave us opportunity

482
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: after opportunity after opportunity, and we looked we were like

483
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: it was like winning the game was like you know,

484
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: like hey, I like like, I don't want to catch

485
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: COVID now, I don't want to win this game. It

486
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: was like no, no, no, no, don't think you don't

487
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: don't you stay away three states, stay six feet away,

488
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: don't don't come near me, don't be around me, socially

489
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: distanced from me because they were, I mean, even down

490
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: to the last second where the kid makes his own

491
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: self fumble. They just don't have it, man, This team

492
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: just does it. This, this franchise, this organization just doesn't happen.

493
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: And I don't know what has to happen or who

494
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 1: would have to happen with to change it. But it's

495
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: a frustrating thing, man, I tell you it's right here. Man.

496
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: I remember one year, man, we needed cornerbacks, and I'm

497
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: talking with jim and we needed cornerbacks. We needed defensive players,

498
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: and Jimmy dedicated this whole offseason to get to getting

499
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: those players. I was telling Kurt before we got on

500
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: the air. You know, even even the Green Bay Packers's

501
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: greatest Aaron Rodgers is they saw like, we're not going

502
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: anywhere past the second round if our defense can't get

503
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: us a turnover every nine and then if our defense

504
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: can't get off the field sometime. And as we played

505
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 1: better and better teams, you go back, you look at

506
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: the Giants. They played ball, they played Baltimore, they played

507
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, and they played another team and they lost

508
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: those games against higher competition. And you know, yeah, and

509
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: we sitting him playing this that and this that and

510
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: this that, and they're not very good, but we're trying

511
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: to build momentum, you know. And I'm serious, a great, great, great,

512
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: but yesterday this New York team defensively kind of played

513
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: at that level of what they've been playing against and

514
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: it showed up. Versus our offensive line, it showed up.

515
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: And so I just feel like you're right here at

516
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: one day, one time. Sooner or later, that's got to change.

517
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: When you said fifteen and two thirty or more points,

518
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: thirty or thirty or less points, and you have not

519
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: had a defense that has been efficient enough to give

520
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: you two or three wins over that period of time.

521
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: And that's and when it hits you the most. It's

522
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: when you're getting ready to go to the playoffs when

523
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: everybody takes up a level. So I'm with y'all. This

524
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: is a different league, but at some point in time,

525
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: you have to have a defense that can get you

526
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: that ball at the proper time. Are you have to

527
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,239
Speaker 1: have a like Eleve Blake martinezs who just played I'm

528
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: just who played just soundball, don't miss tackles and be

529
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: lined up in the right place. That's what the Kansas

530
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: City Chiefs defense does. They're they're not super great. They

531
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: got one or two studs over there, but they line

532
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: up in the proper place, does the right thing, and

533
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: they stay in their land. They don't go into the

534
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: thousand miles an dollarly, they don't go over to Europe

535
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: and get on that fast freeway over there. They stay

536
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: at You get what I'm saying, I'm gonna give you.

537
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give y'all a little bit of hope, But

538
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna give you a little bit of realism too.

539
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I hope it's gonna get some old. Look. I fully

540
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: believe if you would have had had your your starting

541
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: quarterback and your starting offensive line this season, you would

542
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: have dominated this division. All right. So I have hope

543
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball because I think,

544
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: but that's the foot that's football, that's the NFL. You're

545
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna get injuries, You're gonna get guys hurt. You gotta

546
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: here's what you gotta do. You gotta take care of

547
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: your quarterback. In the off season, we saw the ship.

548
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: Let me say that we weren't. We weren't the only

549
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: team in the division that lost players. The Eagles spent

550
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: most of them, just a lot of their guys. I

551
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: agree with, I agree, I agree. Everybody can say that

552
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: if we had, if Carson Wish was playing like he

553
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: played two years ago, they would probably dominate this division.

554
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: If Saint chron Barkley and other guys didn't and other

555
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: guys didn't get hurt for the Giants maybe they played.

556
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's a great it's it's a great

557
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: conversation to have. I don't want to steal your thunder

558
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: and still your hope that you're trying to give out

559
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: the people you already did. I mean, okay, I'm sorry.

560
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't talk. I don't talk very often on the show.

561
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: What I do, I just you know, in the whole

562
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Jesse Doug like like the like the turd that they

563
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: laid yesterday and just covered me up. Like he didn't

564
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: even wait on Nate to cover me. He just he

565
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: dug it, cover me up. No, I agree with you.

566
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: That is the nature of the NFL. Everybody deals with injuries.

567
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: But I if your your offensive line was serviceable, right

568
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: you your you got. You gotta take care of your

569
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: quarterback this offseason. Number one. You can see what this

570
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: team does without a quarterback. You're gonna beat the teams.

571
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna struggle with the teams that you should easily beat,

572
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: which is what they did. They struggled. They won the games,

573
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: but they didn't dominate anybody like they should have. You

574
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: get your offensive lineback Okay, you're good on offense, but

575
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: you have got to address like Nate, echo into what

576
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Nate says every single year this off season, you have

577
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: got to address the defense. You have got to get

578
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: quality defensive players in here. You can't go take flyers

579
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: on Taco Charlton's and guys that might work out. You're

580
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, You're Bruce Carters. You got to get some

581
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: guys in here that are gonna help you, either through

582
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: free agency or you have to draft to build this defense.

583
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: Because what's gonna happen to you is what happened this year.

584
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: You might get in the playoffs. You might limp in

585
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs at eight and eight or you know, nine

586
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and seven or ten and six, But you know what,

587
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: as soon as you get in the playoffs, you're gonna

588
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: get out class because you can't slow anybody down on

589
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball. Now, the defense started

590
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: playing better at the end of the year. They're getting turnovers.

591
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: The young guys are starting to play, they're starting to

592
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: figure out who they are. But like Nate said, you

593
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: gotta get some playmakers. You gotta get some solid key

594
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: pieces on the defense to even have a chance to

595
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: get out of the first round of the playoffs. I'm

596
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: with you, Jesse Man. You can't the formula that you've

597
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: had in place the last ten, twelve, fifteen years, all

598
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: these you got big name guys, but you don't have

599
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: a cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. You've

600
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: gotta fix that and out. I'm with you. I don't

601
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: know how you fix it other than going You got

602
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: your offense where you want on it? Great, we got it.

603
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: We can score thirty points if all the starting pieces

604
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: are there every game. You gotta be able to slow

605
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: somebody down the other side of the ball. Go fix it.

606
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: Go fix it now, Go ahead, Jesse people on that.

607
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: You know what, man, shadow that what I'll tell you what, man,

608
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: this is what. This is the bad thing about this

609
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys team, and I want your input on this.

610
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: Is as good as we can be on offense, is

611
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: well equally as bad on defense. I'm just over exaggerated.

612
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: Are we just that? Do we have a one key

613
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: player that can just turn this around out there in

614
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: free agency? In the draft? Is you get what I'm saying?

615
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times, like Green Bay, when he

616
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: got two guys, two outside guys, and he changed their faith.

617
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: Are we that close? Are that far away in y'all estimate?

618
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: That's a that's my worries. I'm not sure this is

619
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 1: a quick fix. You know, you're gonna have to start

620
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: building and you've got some pieces maybe you know, you've

621
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: got Randy Gregory, Marcus Lawrence, maybe Trevon Diggs got some

622
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: pieces there, but you know you need to You've got

623
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot of rebuilding to do in that area too.

624
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know. But but again this but because

625
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: of the offense, you really just need an average defense.

626
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: You just you gotta do better than awful, you know.

627
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: But Kurt, Kurt, you're putting you know. You know what

628
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: worries me with that, Kurt is the guys that you

629
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: that you that you have to keep around or that

630
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: are probably going to be here next year. A lot

631
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: of them are guys that you need to start over.

632
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: What you need to get those guys out of here?

633
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: That that's my big concerns. There are some guys on

634
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: this team. I'm not gonna name names because I have

635
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: to deal with these guys. There are guys on offense

636
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: and defense that you need to get out of here.

637
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: You need to get them out of here, and you

638
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: need to start over at those positions. And I'm afraid

639
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: to change. We talk about the culture all the time

640
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm afraid that those guys that you

641
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: need to get out of here and start over and

642
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: get fresh guys in here and start building this thing

643
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: with a new coach, a new coaching staff, or guys

644
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: you're going to keep around for whatever reason, this reason

645
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: or that reason. And that's what I'm worried about, is

646
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: because if you don't, if you don't churn this thing

647
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 1: and go, this is the year we gotta make a change.

648
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: Or guess what the next fifteen years is gonna be

649
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: like the last fifteen because of the culture and the

650
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: guys you have leading this team on both sides of

651
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: the ball. It's not going to change. Because the new

652
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: young guys that you got on this team that are

653
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: balling out right now, you're Donovan Wilson's, you're CJ's, your

654
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: your digs, guess what you gave them? Fall in line.

655
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: They're gonna fall in line just like everybody else that's

656
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: come in here, and it's and it's they're gonna wind up.

657
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Head button guys, They're gonna wind up pushing guys off

658
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the pile because because you don't have people that stand

659
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: up after the game when they're when they're on the

660
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, these ball losses don't bother them. Somebody stand

661
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: up and tell you, shut the hell up. We just

662
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: got kicked out of the playoffs. Shut up and be

663
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: quiet on the bus ride, in the plane ride home

664
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: like this is not fun. Change it? No, no, go

665
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: ahead on. I mean, how you how your piece? Brother?

666
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Me I was the biggest clown.

667
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: Me and Kevin GOLDI just compete who gonna be the

668
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: biggest clown on the team. But when that whistle blew

669
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: and you look in Troy am Charles Hayley, Michael Irving,

670
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: when you looked in their faces, you get all the

671
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: all the prankster, all the jokes to all that just

672
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: seeped out of my body. Because it wasn't gonna be

673
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: nowhere in the world. I'm gonna explain to them during

674
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: the game, not after a game, doing a game, whyhead buddy,

675
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: that guy. It wasn't gonna be no explanation. You know,

676
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: it's got to be so much pressure on you as

677
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: a player to perform for yourself and for your teammates

678
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: that you cannot think of anything else. That's why I

679
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: think I had a game man early in my career.

680
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: Why I got hyped. I got actually hyped. I went

681
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Speaker 1: out there and got a couple of whole independalence, a

682
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Speaker 1: couple off sides, you know. I mean they were racing

683
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Speaker 1: to me at halftime, Coach Johnson, Troy Egg but they

684
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: were racing to getting me to cuss me out, like

685
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Brother? Get control of yourself because

686
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: they knew I was hyped and they had never seen

687
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: me like that before. So I came back out, I

688
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: settled down. Unfortunately won the game. But you got to

689
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Speaker 1: know who he is as a player. And a lot

690
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: of these guys are immulating guys that have gotten paid,

691
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Speaker 1: who think they're gonna get paid, and they have no

692
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: no responsibility to themselves or to the coaching staff or

693
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: to the players. You know. And maybe I'm saying it wrong,

694
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: and maybe Jesse can be a little more eloquent and

695
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: how he said, but you gotta have some responsibility in

696
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: you in your clubhouse? Is that what I'm supposed to

697
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: come in and say something? I no, no, no, I

698
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Speaker 1: know we gotta take a break, so I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go into my soletto. Queen, we gotta take a

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Speaker 1: break and tell let's come back. Yeah, let's take it.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a break. We gotta We'll have a few

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00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: minutes when we come back. Sorry, sorry for all you listening.

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00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: We just we're ventning. This is the last week we

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Speaker 1: get to vent, so we're just getting it all out now,

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. We're here from Jesse on Hey

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Speaker 1: And I am off my soapbox. I am sorry. It

748
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: just bothers me. It bothers me. I want this team

749
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: to do good and I and I play it off

750
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: on this show. But it bothers me when when you know,

751
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: it just seems like some people don't care. That's it,

752
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: and you know, and it just came out. So I apologize,

753
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: not really, I don't apologize. Go ahead, brother Jesse I

754
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: want to hear from jesse Man. Jesse Man, I mean, Nate,

755
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: you you you hit it on the head man, and

756
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: especially when you talk about first of all, one of

757
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: the reasons why they got to go and get Dack signed,

758
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: Like he is the life and the heartbeat of this

759
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: football team, and it looks different when he's there. Not

760
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: this is played, but just the lead ship and overall leadership,

761
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: but specifically his side of the football. And then you

762
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: look on the defensive side of you're saying, where do

763
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: we get where do we get our our beat from? Who?

764
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: Who is our drum major, who is who is leading

765
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: this band? What person are we getting our sound from?

766
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: As far as players, you know, when you look at

767
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: good teams, they say attitude reflects leadership, and you know

768
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: the guys on either side of the ball is that

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00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: when they speak, you listen when they talk, You adhere

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Speaker 1: to the message. When they say something, it's it's done.

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00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I think there's so many

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Speaker 1: different voices. And again it's hard when when did they

773
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: respect a guy like Sean Lee. Yeah they do, but

774
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: they don't because they know, like Sean Lee, you know,

775
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: you're the old man. You don't relate to me, you

776
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: don't understand us. You you're the thirty five, You're the

777
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: thirty five year old in the locker room, thirty whatever

778
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: you are you're the old guy, and so you say, well,

779
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: well is it Tank? Well, I don't know if he

780
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a leader in the locker room.

781
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: We think he is. I know that he comes out

782
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: and he says great stuff. But how many people are

783
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: across the board, not just his guys up front, his

784
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: capadres up front as hot boys up front, But what

785
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: are the guys in the back end saying? Are they

786
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: are they beating to a different drum? And so you're

787
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: you're kind of always looking around and saying, where do

788
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: we get where do where do we get this from?

789
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Speaker 1: Where do we get our our our passion from? I

790
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: look at teams like you know, when you when you

791
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: talking about the Ravens, when you had a guy like

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Speaker 1: ray Lewis. Now, I'm I'm not saying that you have

793
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Speaker 1: to have a guy who's a Hall of famer, But

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00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: when you had a guy like that, when he spoke,

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Speaker 1: everybody in the room listened and it was I'm not

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Speaker 1: telling something that to tell you what I'm telling something's

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00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: going to help us all and how to help us all?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that there's players who I personally

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Speaker 1: know who would say about the legendary film sessions that

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Speaker 1: Ray Lewis or that ed Ree would put on because

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00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: they were saying, like, listen, here's what we gotta be

802
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: fellas this on us. We either got to improve, we

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00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: got to hold this thing down. And so they would

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00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: take the time out. And I know this year is

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00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: different in a way, but I don't see guys on

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Speaker 1: this team doing that. I don't see guys to being

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00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: able to speak up on the matter. And it really

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00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: be it really drive home to every single guy on

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00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. And that's that's where we're at.

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00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: And so now you're trying to you're trying to set

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Speaker 1: a temperature for a side of the ball, and you

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00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: got all these different gauges and none of them are

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00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: connecting at the same time that you you you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys, and you know, you talk about

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Speaker 1: the brands and all that kind of stuff. This team

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00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: has to find a way to get football players football players,

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00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: like that's legit football players. Because you have a lot

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00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: of guys who love football and love the game, but

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00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: you also have a lot of guys who love what

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00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: the game gives them, who love what football brings them.

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Speaker 1: And when you have too many of those who just

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Speaker 1: love what football brings them and not a love guys

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Speaker 1: who love the game of football. That's when you start

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Speaker 1: having this off kilter type situation going on, and you

825
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: have historically bad sides of the ball, or you have

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Speaker 1: a position group that is not performing to the level

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Speaker 1: you needed to perform to. I think this team has

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00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who don't love football, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys, and not all of them. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying all of them, but there's a lot of guys,

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Speaker 1: and there's enough key eyes who play a large majority

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Speaker 1: of snaps who love what the game gives them. And

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Speaker 1: when you have that, you'll never have success. I don't

834
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Speaker 1: care how hard you try, I don't care how You'll

835
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: never have success when you have a group of men

836
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: on your team that are significant contributors to offense or

837
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: to defense or to special teams, when they love what

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00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: football brings and gives and they don't love the game.

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Speaker 1: Because those guys are not gonna give it up for you.

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00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Those guys are not gonna put the time in for you.

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00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Those guys are not gonna sacrifice for you. They'll do

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00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, they'll do just enough, but that that

843
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: that just enough will get you to the game, it

844
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: won't win you the football game. And this is why

845
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: you've seen what you've seen from this football team this year.

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00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Too many guys love what the game gives them, not

847
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Speaker 1: a guy. Not enough guys love the game of football. Yep.

848
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Speaker 1: It's like the guy in the gym that wants to

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Speaker 1: tank top that says beast mode, but he wants to

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Speaker 1: go walk on the treadmill for twenty minutes and leave

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Speaker 1: and hit the shower. Yeah, you want, you want the shirt.

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Speaker 1: You want to put it on Instagram, you want to

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Speaker 1: put it on social media, but you don't want to

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Speaker 1: put in the work to get the body that that

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Speaker 1: that that you advertising. So and I with you. Jesse, Nate,

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Speaker 1: Kurt Jesse. Yes, we could do this. We could do

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Speaker 1: this for three hours today. Man. We Luckily we got

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Speaker 1: another show on Thursday. Tune in to cross Talk tonight

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Speaker 1: where our special alumni guests. Tonight will be the the

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Speaker 1: the World ran on Nate Newton, Big Sexy will be

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Speaker 1: We'll be walking a treadmill between the bits. Three out

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Speaker 1: of eight Problem two Tonight, seven o'clock, Dallas, Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: all of our social channels, one of Jesse love you guys,

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Speaker 1: Man Kurt good stuff, Nate, great stuff, Chris Bean. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for keeping us on the air. Sorry we're late. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back Thursday eleven thirty. See you then bye bye see.

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