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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: It's Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 1: I really thought you were going for things instead of

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Speaker 1: stuff there, and I thought you were going to change

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Speaker 1: the show kind of because that's what gets said to

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Speaker 1: me half the time is a most show title, and

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Speaker 1: I thought you were going to do it for your

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Speaker 1: own show. I got really excited.

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Speaker 2: No, Actually, what's funny is earlier, when I was workshopping

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Speaker 2: how I was going to do a terrible jingle to

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Speaker 2: start the episode, I was like, man, things is a

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Speaker 2: more poetic or a more sing song y word and

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Speaker 2: stuff like things would actually work better there. But that's

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Speaker 2: not the name of the show. There's a different show

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Speaker 2: called Cool People Who Did Cool Things, and it's a

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Speaker 2: terrible show run by nightmare people. It's the inversion of

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Speaker 2: this show. But this is Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Murder Kiljoy and with me today as

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Speaker 2: my guest is doctor cave Hoda, who is host of

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Speaker 2: House of Pod, which is a podcast of medical advice

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Speaker 2: from your doctor that you can take as actual medical

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Speaker 2: advice instead of going to the doctor.

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Speaker 3: Is that accurate? Lies? The wrong? But lies? I see

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Speaker 3: what you did? That mean? Mean lies? Hurtful, hurtful untruths.

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Speaker 3: It's all pretty much accurate. It is a medical type show.

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Speaker 3: It's like medically adjacent, not too far into the weeds.

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Speaker 3: I tend to not try to not give medical advice

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Speaker 3: that much, but we talk about medical things quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: See see whenever we have like someone on the show

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Speaker 1: who's like one of my friends, I asked Margaret to

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Speaker 1: roast them slightly for just for me, for.

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Speaker 2: Me, it's true as well as a discussion that happened

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Speaker 2: before you came on.

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Speaker 3: I deserve it, I deserve it, I need it, keep

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Speaker 3: me in my place. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I was like, please humble my dear friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because doctors don't work hard enough. They need to

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Speaker 2: be Yeah, clearly. Also on the call is our producer Sophie. Sophie,

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Speaker 2: Hi happy. I guess we did one New Year episode,

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Speaker 2: but this is the first New Year actual episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice to see Sophie. Happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you so much. We're in the

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Speaker 1: Year of the wood Dragon. Did you know.

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Speaker 3: Didn't live in the woods.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Both are cool. But we talked about a zodiac thing

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Speaker 3: or is this the Chinese.

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Speaker 1: Chinese New Year thing? I only know this because I

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Speaker 1: will have a niece born this year and anything that

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Speaker 1: I can find out about this specific year.

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Speaker 3: But it's not just a regular dragon. It's a wood dragon.

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Speaker 3: Said wood dragon, huh, but with interpretations are exciting. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Year of the wood Dragon, which was also uh. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what that means now I want to know

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Speaker 1: symbolizes spring and is about expansion and getting stronger, which

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Speaker 1: is really cool because I'm gonna have a niece this

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Speaker 1: year and I would like her.

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Speaker 3: I'm strong kind of need some of that energy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: look at that wood dragon energy going on twenty.

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Speaker 2: Twenty in order to find water during the hipocalypse, and well,

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Speaker 2: this is cool.

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Speaker 1: This one Google search that I found it says that

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Speaker 1: this year will be refreshing and there will be renewal

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Speaker 1: and growth and it will be alluring with the dynamic

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Speaker 1: and energy of the dragon.

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Speaker 3: I'm just more lies, more lies. This is a show

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Speaker 3: of lies.

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Speaker 1: You're on the wrong podcast.

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Speaker 3: This one will cool and.

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Speaker 2: We're we're this one's and actually actually this time, like

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Speaker 2: often it's like, well, I mean nothing ends well, but

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Speaker 2: that's true for all life. Yeah, so have you ever

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Speaker 2: heard of medicine?

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Speaker 3: God? It does it sounds familiar. It sounds Oh no,

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Speaker 3: I do it. Yes, I do know it. You're one

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Speaker 3: of the other doctors. You're one of a medical doctors. No,

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Speaker 3: I have heard of medicine. This is good. We're off

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Speaker 2: I have as an episode about medicine. Well, before I

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Speaker 2: tell you anything about medicine, because you don't know anything

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Speaker 2: about medicine. First, I'm going to tell you that this

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Speaker 2: episode was edited by Daniel, So everyone needs to say,

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Speaker 2: hi Danel before we move on. Hi Danel, Hi Danel,

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Speaker 2: Hi Danel. Our theme music was written for us by Unwomany. Okay, So,

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Speaker 2: now that we've established the concept of medicine, what about

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Speaker 3: You ever heard of that?

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Speaker 3: I have, I have worked with it, I have received it.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, Okay, because this episode is about that. This week

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Speaker 2: we're going to tell a story about what is presented

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Speaker 2: as the world's first paramedics. Anytime anyone says the world's

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Speaker 2: first anything, I just instinctively don't believe it. But sure,

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Speaker 2: but very much the modern concept of paramedics absolutely very cool,

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Speaker 2: and how they were black men in Pittsburgh a shockingly

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Speaker 2: recent time ago. You ever heard of Freedom House and

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Speaker 2: the ambulance service there? I have not, I don't think

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Speaker 2: so I'm excited. I was like, I was like, oh, man,

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Speaker 2: I have no idea how common I know the story

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Speaker 3: I'm a blank slate. Draw upon me at your will. Okay.

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Speaker 2: If you were to guess when modern paramedics came around,

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Speaker 2: what decade would you guess?

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Speaker 3: Okay, decade? I would have boy, Okay, if I'm being

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Speaker 3: I probably would have thought the sixties. That's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, absolutely, nineteen sixty eight, yeah, swine with doctors

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Speaker 2: modern paramedics. I would have guessed like the thirteen hundreds

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Speaker 3: Like the ideas you said decades to me, I know

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Speaker 3: and thirty eight BC or something like that. But I've

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Speaker 3: I that's when I was like, wait a minute, I

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Speaker 2: Okay, no, they see that makes sense because in my mind,

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, you know which decade you'd be talking about,

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Speaker 2: the eighteen fifties, the eighteen sixties, the eighteen seventies. But

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Speaker 2: that was because when I first started doing the show,

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Speaker 3: And all right, So.

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Speaker 2: These folks Freedom House they went on after forming nineteen

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Speaker 2: world's first modern emergency medical service for about seven years

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Speaker 2: before classic nemesis of the pod systemic racism brings them down.

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Speaker 2: But along the way, they basically invented modern emergency medical services,

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Speaker 2: which spread across the country and the world. So they succeeded.

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Speaker 2: They won, They did that.

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Speaker 3: They did, but I've never heard of them, unfortunately, and

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Speaker 3: I feel really bad. Well, and that's the thing. It's like,

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Speaker 3: until only a couple of years ago, this story was

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Speaker 3: not very told or known, and then even now you know,

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Speaker 3: like I, like I said, I had no idea about

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Speaker 3: any of this, But I'm also not in the medical field.

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Speaker 3: But I think that most people in the medical field

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Speaker 3: also don't know this. I think you're right. Most people

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Speaker 3: in medical field don't even know about Tuskegee at this point,

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Speaker 3: much less this, which is I mean, I don't have

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Speaker 2: Don't know about the Tuskegee medical experiments.

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Speaker 3: Did you just look that up?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I made that up? Okay, I was going to say

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Speaker 3: that was amazing for that quick.

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Speaker 2: So Freedom House the opposite of the Tuskegee Medical Experiences, which,

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Speaker 2: if this is a very different style of show, we

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Speaker 2: would cover. But we will not be covering on this

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Speaker 2: with guns, in which case I'll absolutely cover it one day.

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Speaker 2: Freedom House is a couple dozen black men, many of

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Speaker 2: them without high school degrees, many of them with felony records,

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Speaker 2: some of them with no place to live, pretty much

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Speaker 2: none of them with any medical experience, who saved just

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Speaker 2: uncountable millions of lives by the standards they set, as

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Speaker 2: well as the like hundreds and thousands of lives that

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Speaker 2: they saved directly and personally on the street. And while

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Speaker 2: people haven't heard of them. I'm not a big medical knower.

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Speaker 2: I'm more of a like squeamish as hell type. In

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Speaker 2: order to go to first aid trainings, I disassociate and

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Speaker 3: You have like fugue power that's like a mutant power

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Speaker 3: you can like tap into like that other person and

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Speaker 3: It's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Like I remember one time, I like was in a

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Speaker 2: So I just completely disassociated, remembered what I know about

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Speaker 3: And that's fine. It's like ninety eight percent of practicing medicine. Man,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that honestly makes sense. So as squeamish as I am,

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Speaker 2: I have heard of a ton of their innovations, and

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Speaker 2: I suspect you have heard and or used many of them.

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Speaker 2: But before we talk about their innovations.

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Speaker 1: Oh kay, is it time? Is it time for your

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Speaker 3: It's time for context.

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Speaker 1: Yes, nothing makes Magpie happier besides rendraw being like, I'm

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Speaker 1: first I'm going to give you forty minutes of context.

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Speaker 3: Yeah wait, real quick, Margaret, can I can? I? Can

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Speaker 3: I call you Magpie too? Or is that absolutely okay?

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Speaker 3: Magpie is just short for Margaret.

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Speaker 1: I like that's great, Okay, sorry, well she's such a Magpie.

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Speaker 2: Actually got the name Margaret in reverse. I was collecting

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Speaker 2: random shiny objects and my friends started calling me Magpie.

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Speaker 2: well usually they were in stores, okay, not independent stores,

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Speaker 2: So okay, so the history of emergency medical care or

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Speaker 3: the next level. Yeah.

436
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: In the US, in the eighteen sixties, we had the

437
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: First American Civil War. I'm just trying to future prove

438
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 2: my episode here, and this abolitionist surgeon named Henry Bowditch

439
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, our ambulances suck, like really bad because

440
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: both sides were fielding sort of the least reliable people

441
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: as ambulance drivers. It was absolutely the job for like

442
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: the drunks and stuff like that, and they didn't pay

443
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: much attention to it. Yeah, right, like, anyway, whatever it did,

444
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: that guy's too drunk to fight, put them drive something. Yeah, exactly,

445
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: what could go wrong? Yeah, And so people are just

446
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 2: dying on the battlefield left and right. All the shooting

447
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: at each other didn't help. So Bodich was like, well

448
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 2: what the fuck in Congress was like all right, fine,

449
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: and they made the first organized ambulance system in the US,

450
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: which later became civilian ambulance services. Though it started off

451
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: less is someone's going to show up and do medicine

452
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 2: and more a guy shows up and drives you to

453
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: the hospital. New York City, they stepped it up, and

454
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: they actually almost invented the paramedic. They like came real close.

455
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: They had a whole system that involved telegraphs and runners

456
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: and a horse drawn carriage with oil lanterns on all sides.

457
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 2: And then they didn't have a siren, so they had

458
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 2: a foot pedal gong to out of the crowds as

459
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: they rode through the streets, which is aesthetic as fuck.

460
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: I really like this idea. Modern sirens are probably more effective,

461
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: but I like the gong. They also sometimes added medical services.

462
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: Sometimes they even would throw a doctor into the mix,

463
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: and this started spreading across the country. Some ambulance services

464
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: were run by funeral homes or drug stores. Others were

465
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: run by police or fire departments, but the have emergency

466
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 2: medical care right here on the street. Part fell apart,

467
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: didn't and did not generalize. So most ambulance services are

468
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: someone shows up and takes you away, and it's whoever

469
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: happens to have a vehicle big enough to throw a

470
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: person in, like a hearse. World War One full of

471
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: ambulances because the machine gun was invented and it was bad. Yeah, modernized,

472
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: I left it. I should not laugh at that.

473
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 3: No, No, I mean it's fine.

474
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: It's like, well, nothing makes people need the hospital like

475
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: a machine gun matched with tactics that have not accepted

476
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: the machine gun as part of war.

477
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: Right.

478
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: We mostly talked about World War two, but my god,

479
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: World War One, it's a nightmare.

480
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Some soldiers were specialized as medics and got ten weeks

482
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 2: training and then they all came home. And you had

483
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: this brief, beautiful renaissance of emergency medical care in the US,

484
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 2: and it didn't last. Hospitals became overwhelmed. Over the next

485
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: couple decades, the medical system in general was like pushed

486
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: to its limit. No more medical services for ambulances. So

487
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: it's cops and firefighters and funeral homes are running the

488
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: medical services again, or rather, the ambulance services, and some

489
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 2: of them weren't happy about it. Some of them were like,

490
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, whatever, it's fine, it's like money and

491
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: we don't care, right, And that was kind of the

492
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: attitude of most ambulance services. And I don't know if

493
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: you knew this, but cops in the US don't have

494
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: a great track record when it comes to race reals.

495
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 3: This is weird. Yeah, we're talking about list way long ago.

496
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 3: Oh ken, this stuff this past. I'm learning so much, Jesus.

497
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 2: Imagine if you have a heart attack and a fucking

498
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: hears and morticians show up to take you to the

499
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: hospital or and that can't be good for your morale, right.

500
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of stay alive in crisis

501
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: is based on like faith and hope and like caring

502
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: and belief, you know. Or imagine having a heart attack

503
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: and then a cop who hassled you last week shows

504
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: up with a gun. Also you have all of these

505
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: Like it was literally like when cops would show up,

506
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: they would be like, if it's a white, clean shaven man,

507
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 2: it's a heart attack. If it's not a white man,

508
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: or they're not clean shaven, they're drunk drunk, you know,

509
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: And so all these people would just die of heart

510
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 2: attacks because they'd be like, didn't shave in three days,

511
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: or happen to be born not white. So, despite the

512
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: lies about progress being a linear thing, in nineteen fifties America,

513
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: your standard of care from an ambulance was hey, the

514
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: fuck lower than eighteen nineties New York City. In nineteen

515
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: sixty six, the National Research Council put out a paper

516
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: called Accidental Death and Disability, The Neglected Disease of Modern Society,

517
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: and it was kind of a call to arms about

518
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 2: how bad should have gotten in the US. It claimed

519
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: that a US soldier shot on the battlefield in Vietnam

520
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: had better chances of survival than the same American in

521
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: a car accident on the highway of California. Wow, And

522
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: people were like, that doesn't seem so right. Yeah, And

523
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 2: it's because the soldier has other soldiers who are there

524
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: and performing medical care. Okay, that's the medical context. We

525
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: figured that part out. Now we're going to talk about

526
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: the neighborhood it happened in in Pittsburgh. It's called the

527
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: Hill District. And it means I can tie in the

528
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 2: Haitian Revolution because that is now on y'all's bingo card everyone.

529
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: The Haitian Revolution now shows up in everything that is

530
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: American related. I haven't even done an episode about the

531
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: Haitian Revolution yet.

532
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I have a question talk that that's tuberculosis

533
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: come up in this episode twice.

534
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 3: This is the bingo. Okay, it's basically the free space. Honestly,

535
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: TV is a major player in history. It makes sense.

536
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally, and just more than I had expected.

537
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: It's like, it's just not something that was like part

538
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: of my world growing up.

539
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 1: You know.

540
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: It's the inverse quicksand. I grew up being told quicksand

541
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: was a problem. Yeah, you know, it's everywhere. Yeah, turns

542
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: out as TB, especially in history and or the non

543
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: developed world and or underserved communities.

544
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: I actually spent time storing in my brain enough space

545
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: to learn how to get out of quicksand if I

546
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: ever fell into quicksand, Like that was actually something I

547
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: like read about, and I was like, Okay, I am

548
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: prepared if this happens like that that space could be

549
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: taken up with like the Creb cycle or some important

550
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 3: scientific fact. But instead that's what that's what's in there

551
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, and who knows. You know, we're all

552
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: going to be eating cake. There's some word here eating

553
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: your hat. Yeah, eating crow, eating crow, that's right, not

554
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: hats or cake much more. Anyway.

555
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: That's also something that Margaret does all the time. She

556
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: know things she thinks she knows, like a slogan or something,

557
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: or it does not.

558
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: I thought you were saying she eats crows. I was like,

559
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: that's interesting. I mean that I could.

560
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: See, yeah, we could all be eating crows. As I'm

561
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: a Corvids, I believe in the supremacy of magpies among

562
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: the corvids.

563
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: Anyway.

564
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: So, the Hill District in Pittsburgh is the oldest black

565
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: community in Pittsburgh and it was founded by free black

566
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: folks a long ass time ago, by free black soldiers

567
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: in the Revolutionary Army, like literally since before the US

568
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: was the US. The Hill District was founded in eighteen

569
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: oh four. Haiti was like, well, they had actually decided

570
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: this a while ago, but they succeeded four. They were like,

571
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: what if instead of being a slave country, we kick

572
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: out or kill all of our oppressors instead, And so

573
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: they did that, and this sets the US to trembling

574
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: in its boots. I don't know if both countries have boots,

575
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: but if they do, us absolutely trembling. Florida might be

576
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: the boot, and so they might have been trembling in that,

577
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: which would particularly make sense because it was owned by Spain.

578
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: Anyway. Yeah, oh that's true. That one is absolutely okay.

579
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: So the place that all the black people lived in

580
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh got called Little Haiti. This is not because they

581
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: were Haitian. This is because they were black and people

582
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: were afraid of them. This wasn't even necessarily former enslaved people.

583
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: This was free whatever. Anyway, during the nineteen tens or so, Italians,

584
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Irish and Eastern European Jews moved there too, basically all

585
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: the undesirable white people, and the black population kept growing

586
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: there as well. They did not get displaced by this

587
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: influx of sort of ethnic whites, and soon it became

588
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: the center of culture in Pittsburgh, basically because it was

589
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: the seen of jazz. Unfortunately, slumlords owned almost all of it,

590
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: so the place was not well kept, and the tuberculosis

591
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: rates were three times the city's average. There's there's number one, Sophie.

592
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: I think it's two. I think there's two references. That's

593
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: number one.

594
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna take a drink just for no reason.

595
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: All.

596
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the nineteen fifties, the US went through this

597
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: shit called urban renewal, which was where they gutted black

598
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: and other minority neighborhoods across the country, Like, I mean,

599
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: gentrification sucks, but this is like it where they're also

600
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: just like it's like wrecking ball gentrification. And the Hill

601
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: District was no exception. The Hill District was right on

602
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: the edge of downtown, so it was perfect to just

603
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: like bock up, and they just fucked it up. As

604
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: James Baldwin put it in nineteen sixty three, urban renewal

605
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: means Negro removal. All the city planners were like, what

606
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: if we just cleared everyone out and leveled the whole place,

607
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: and then they called it the renaissance. You know, conditions

608
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: were so bad that a lot of the black leaders

609
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: in the community were actually okay with this because they

610
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: were being promised by the city that new housing would

611
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: get built and that there would be affordable housing and

612
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: you know, more units of housing and better jobs and

613
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: all this shit that like they were going to be

614
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: lifted up as well. That didn't happen. Spoiler alert, weird.

615
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: Thousands of buildings were destroyed, old churches, jazz clubs, homes,

616
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: a stop on the underground railroad, all just wrecking bald.

617
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: Eight thousand residents were displaced, two thirds of them were black,

618
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: and the city didn't follow through on the fifteen thousand

619
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: housing units they promised, so shit just got so much worse.

620
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: It went from a bad slum to a bad slum

621
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: that was worse than the previous version of the bad

622
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: slum since it suffered under systemic racism. It's not a

623
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: surprise that the Hill was the center point of riots

624
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: after Martin Luther King Junior was assassinated in nineteen sixty

625
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: eight and four thousand National Guardsmen showed up. They didn't

626
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: show up to stop the rioting in the black neighborhood.

627
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: They showed up to encircle the hill and make sure

628
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: that none of the rioters left the black neighborhood. And

629
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: that part stood out to me because whenever black communities

630
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: get really mad about murder, pearl clutching racists are all like,

631
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: why do black people burn their own neighborhoods down, and like, well,

632
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: in this context, it's because the National Guardsmen literally physically

633
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: prevented them from going anywhere.

634
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: Anyway.

635
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: That's the neighborhood, the Hill. Now the organization's background, I know,

636
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: I'm just like really excited this.

637
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: Whole all right.

638
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: So there's this a guy named Jim McCoy and he's

639
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: living on the Hill. He'd been born in Houston. He

640
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: moved to Pittsburgh alone, and he worked most of his

641
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: life in steel mills as a bricklayer, and he was

642
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: a black labor activist. He was elected president of his

643
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: local steel workers' union, but then he quit labor, both

644
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: like labor union work and then also just like literally

645
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: working labor jobs in order to work full time as

646
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: a civil rights activist with the NAACP. He got arrested

647
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: for civil rights shit all the time. He basically just

648
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: did all this stuff. It's a really fucking cool guy.

649
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: He was also an entrepreneur who believed in the power

650
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: of black owned businesses, and so we set up a

651
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 2: place called Freedom House Enterprises, which existed to help grow

652
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: black owned businesses. Basically it ran like job training and

653
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: mostly in landscaping and domestic work and like kind of

654
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: lower entry but still skilled labor jobs. In order to

655
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: fund for it, he also did this other project that

656
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: helped alleviate the food desert, which is that he brought

657
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: the grocery store to people and he ran a food

658
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: store van where he drove around in a van, and

659
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: not just him, there was a whole house, a whole

660
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: bunch of people did this. We only have one guy's name.

661
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: That's the way the history works.

662
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: It sucks.

663
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: They drove around and sold free and they sold the

664
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: kind of food that people couldn't get in the area.

665
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: And I think it's cool as shit.

666
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 3: And they got even Yeah, I'm imagining there's a story

667
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: in there too where they tried to shut him down

668
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: for doing that, like he doesn't have a license to

669
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: do that, he can't he gave to go around distributing

670
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 3: food out like that.

671
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that that did happen, except also

672
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of a like everyone was

673
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: so afraid of the hill that there was also this.

674
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, just leave him alone, just stay

675
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 3: out of there.

676
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, either one would have would have worked. But

677
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: what you shouldn't stay out of are these sweet deals

678
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: and or podcasts that have paid money that feeds my

679
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: dog and me and my dog and me so many

680
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: people and dogs.

681
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: I want to get into these podcasts, these commercials and

682
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: just moment devol, let's get into it. It's gonna be

683
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: so good.

684
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: Here they are.

685
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: And we're back.

686
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: And if you had cooler zone media, you'd be missing

687
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: out right now because you didn't get to hear those ads. Okay,

688
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: now the final piece of context.

689
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Aw man, that means you're going to be less happy

690
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: the rest of the recording.

691
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: I've never seen anyone enjoy context this much, and I

692
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: love that she loves it this much.

693
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: She loves context so good because it changes everything about

694
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: like it's what gives it the flavor anyway.

695
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: She's just a context girly. What can you what can

696
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: you cox?

697
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

698
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: It's partly because like I didn't care about history when

699
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: I was younger, because everything was just these disassociated facts.

700
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were most of what we were taught

701
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: in schools was lieser.

702
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, you're like a contextista. It's great. Yeah, yeah, yay.

703
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 3: The man who developed CPR. He ever heard of Peter Saffer? Yes,

704
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: I have heard the name.

705
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, he's cool as shit, and so I'm gonna

706
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 2: tell you about him.

707
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

708
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: The guy who invented CPR, was also the doctor behind

709
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: Freedom House's ambulance service, in the world's first paramedics, and

710
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of other shit, and he had a fucking

711
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: wild life. He didn't get a choice in having a

712
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: wild life because he was born in nineteen twenty four

713
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: in Austria, and unless you died as a child, if

714
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: you were born in nineteen twenty four in Austria, you

715
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: did not have a boring life. He also probably didn't

716
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: have a good life. He was born in Austria. He

717
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: was also born with faint Jewish ancestry. His mother's grandmother

718
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: was Jewish, which is so bonus, not good fun times.

719
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: His father was a doctor who was fired when he

720
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 2: refused to join the Nazi party, and his mother was

721
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: also a doctor and she was fired because she had

722
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: that Jewish grandmother. And both of his parents were avowed Pacifists,

723
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: and he grew up in a very political household. When

724
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 2: he was thirteen, he was conscripted into the Hitler Youth,

725
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: which is like, we could just leave it there and

726
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: be awful. You could be like, oh, yeah, the founder's

727
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: CPR was a Nazi. He immediately quit, and since he

728
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: was of mixed heritage. They let him quit because he

729
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: was like not whatever.

730
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: Any he said, you guys don't want me come on, yeah,

731
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: exactly school, this guy Franz takes my spot. I'm out

732
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: of here this Yeah, he could go die a fine.

733
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he's into that stuff. Look at him. Yeah.

734
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: After high school, the Nazis were like, great, you finished

735
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: high school, Go dig ditches. And so he did that

736
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: for a while and they were like, great, now we're

737
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: conscripting you into the Nazi army. And he immediately got

738
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: a medical release due to exima and he like broke

739
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: out in a case bad enough to hospitalize him. Like

740
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: if you read just the like Cliff's Notes version of

741
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: his life, it's just kind of like and then he

742
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: like got out due to exema and I'm like, huh,

743
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: but he like almost he got real sick.

744
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: It's interesting. I'm wondering the story behind that. I'm wondering.

745
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: I'm wondering it was like there's certain types of exma

746
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 3: that you can get from exposure to things that give

747
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 3: you allergies, like nickel or something. So I'm wondering if

748
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: there was.

749
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 2: Coat got real wet in a rainstorm. I don't know

750
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: anything about medicine.

751
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: Well it might have been lined with something. I was

752
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: assuming this person did this to themselves, like cover themselves

753
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: material the Yeah, I like that.

754
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: Margaret was just like, yes, Orr not a doctor.

755
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am your doctor though, not you, but the listener.

756
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: I am the listener's doctor. And if you want to

757
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: not be in the Nazis, you can well okay. So

758
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: so he gets sent to the hospital because of his exema,

759
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: and then his parents basically pull strings with all of this.

760
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: All their friends were all doctors, right, and so they

761
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: kind of juggle him around to keep him out of

762
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: joining the Nazi army and having to go die on

763
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: the Eastern Front, which is absolutely what it would have

764
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: happened if he had like eighty percent of his class

765
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: died on the Eastern Front, oh you know, of his

766
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: high school graduating class. And so they were like, oh, yeah, no,

767
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: he totally still has EXIMA. Send him over there, and

768
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: they would just like juggle him around to keep him

769
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: away from the Nazi doctors. And then there was a

770
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: surprise inspection at the hospital and he absolutely didn't have

771
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: XHM anymore. So he went and smeared his skin with

772
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: toxic ointment used to test four tuberculosis. No, yep, and

773
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 2: he gave himself a mystery skin rash.

774
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm definitely drinking like a organic kurbamonte.

775
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, but it's still fun. Okay, I basically

776
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: don't drink.

777
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: So one day we should do an episode that actually

778
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: we do as a drinking cake with all of the things.

779
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: I've never been more excited. That's really brilliant.

780
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be like when we need a special reward

781
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: for if we'd run a fundraiser or something.

782
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say we could. We could, like

783
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: we could like twitch stream it and raise some money

784
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: for a yeah. Yeah.

785
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

786
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: So he gives himself this nasty again. It's like if

787
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: you read the Cliffsnes version, he's like, yeah, he put

788
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: an annointment on him that gave him a weird rash.

789
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: And then like the other the more in depth thing

790
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: is like he almost died. He almost killed himself by

791
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: putting toxin all over his body. And so they show

792
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: up and they're like, here's this like scrawny guy who's

793
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: sick as hell. He is not a good soldier. So

794
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: they give him permanent medical leave and he gets work

795
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: as an orderly at a hospital he's treating, and then

796
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: eventually he starts working and he goes to medical school.

797
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 2: He's treating victims of Allied bombing raids, and with the

798
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: help of some officials, he manages to hide his lineage

799
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: on his med squapplic So nineteen forty three, starts med

800
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: school and he keeps working in the hospital, and then

801
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: there's this like fun story. All of the history is

802
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: absolutely like, I'm sure he also treated Nazis, you know,

803
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: that's the like all of the versions of this guy

804
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: was coolest shit, and so all of the versions like

805
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: he treated victims of the Allied bombing raids, and I'm like,

806
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure, Yeah, he treated all kinds of people. And

807
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to come at him for that. I

808
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: just like hate when history kind of try to sugarcoat it.

809
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but is his job, Like I mean, I wouldn't

810
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: want to, but if that's my job, that if I

811
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: made it, I had it. There's a whole oath I

812
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: took to help people, you know, I mean, like that's

813
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: what he has to do.

814
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: And he also almost killed himself to not join the

815
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: Nazi army. Yeah, I mean he did his bit. Yeah,

816
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: So when the Red army approached Vienna. The SS tried

817
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: to like take over the hospital to use it for

818
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: a base, but the staff blocked them. They were like, no,

819
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: we'll treat your sick, but we're not fucking letting you

820
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: take over the hospital. They tipped over a bus to

821
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: not let the Nazis in, right, And then when they

822
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: were getting around anyway, one doctor it was actually this

823
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: guy's mentor whatever the big name is, the guy who

824
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm excuse mentor was.

825
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 3: It Cohen Hoven? By a chance, that's a guy I

826
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: know that worked with Okay, no, no, I don't. I don't.

827
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: I didn't write down. He puts on a general's uniform

828
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: that he has a Nazi general's uniform, probably because a

829
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 3: Nazi general died in the hospital, right, good thing to have.

830
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he just like goes down and is like, hello,

831
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: I am a Nazi general, I am more general, and

832
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: you can't be here. You must go away, and they

833
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: were like, we love authority, and they like turned around

834
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: and left.

835
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 3: You know, that is awesome. I hope that's true because

836
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: that is an amazing story. Now I actually believe that one.

837
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: It seems like most of the like wild bravery World

838
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: War II stories pan out, you know, like most of

839
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: them seem to have happened. People did wild shit in

840
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: that's all too, that's so awesome.

841
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: On his twenty first birthday in nineteen forty five, the

842
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Red Army liberated Vienna and he was like fucking stoked.

843
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 2: He finished med school in nineteen forty eight. He got

844
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: the fuck out of Europe. It was less that it

845
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: is like, I mean, there's probably a lot of bad

846
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: memories there for him too, but he didn't like the

847
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: European method of medical stuff, which was very bureaucratic and

848
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: formal and like do things the old way instead of

849
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: the new way. He is absolutely a like I got

850
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: to do things my way kind of guy. So first

851
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: he goes Connecticut Continuous Studies and he's like funding it

852
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: by installing TV antennas on rooftops. But by nineteen fifty

853
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: he's like, you know who I miss I missed the

854
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 2: girl I was dating when I lived in Vienna. So

855
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: two years later he goes back. They haven't like stayed together,

856
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: but they start corresponding again. He goes back and he

857
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: proposes to this woman Eva.

858
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: Wait, is he a cool wife guy from history?

859
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: He is, yes, and you know what's wild. He's a

860
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: workaholic doctor wife. Guy in history.

861
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: Never heard of such a thing. Nonsense. It was like,

862
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: you guys are more lies from this podcast's doing.

863
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's kind of like that.

864
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally turns out you can do it all. Sure.

865
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: Allegedly he's like, well, you go to the US with me,

866
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: and she's like, I will go to the moon with you.

867
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: And they were married for fifty two years until his death.

868
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: They go to Peru for a while to like do

869
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: medicine there, or he's doing medicine, and I actually don't

870
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 2: know her job, but she does come up a lot

871
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: in this story as being specifically directly supportive of the

872
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: kind of not just his medical work, but the like

873
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: making the medical world better work. She's a big part

874
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: of helping that. By nineteen fifty four, they moved to Baltimore,

875
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: the Greatest city in America. That's their slogan, but I

876
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: also is it. Yeah, sometimes it's like on their park benches.

877
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: It used to be the city that reads. Unfortunately, city

878
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: slogans are usually the thing that are aspirational but not true.

879
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 2: But it's mostly an episode about Pittsburgh, but Baltimore doesn't

880
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: get enough love. And it's the closest thing I have

881
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: to a home city. So it's the greatest city in America.

882
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: In Baltimore, he invented CPR. CPR is invented in Baltimore

883
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: by an anti fascist Austrian immigrant, and I think that's

884
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: coolest shit, that's really cool. He didn't invent it alone.

885
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: He worked with teams the entire time, and they built

886
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: on existing ideas, both emergency breathing and physical massacressions of

887
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: the heart. Yeah, compressions of the heart from outside the

888
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: body were things that had been discussed in previous literature

889
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: from like eighty plus years prior and weren't in practice

890
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: and like weren't being used. And he was like, no,

891
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: this is what we're going to fucking do. He wrote

892
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: a book called The ABC's of Resuscitation, which I can

893
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 2: only assume from the title as a children's book.

894
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: And that's something. Sorry, you're probably got to mention it now.

895
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: There's a reason we have you as a doctor on

896
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: this fucking.

897
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: You know, they talk about ABC's. That's something that if

898
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 3: it's the same thing airway breathing circulation, it's just the

899
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: thought process of people to go through during this during CPR,

900
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: that's almost certainly what it is. Yeah, but I'm just like,

901
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: I'm pretty impressed at actually if that is the case,

902
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: If this is something that was developed in like what nineteen.

903
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 2: Sixties, nineteen fifties right now, nineteen fifties right now. Yeah,

904
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: and it's still like lasts to this day. It's pretty cool,

905
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 2: you know, if that's if that is, And I'm sure

906
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: it is, because I it would be an awesome kids book,

907
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: but it's probably not just that. So yeah, yeah, I

908
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: put in the kid's book as a joke, but yeah, no,

909
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: I did almost certainly because it was like the manual

910
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: for a very long time.

911
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really cool. I didn't know that.

912
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: The way that he and his team studied CPR, he

913
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: says he later in life, was like would be illegal later.

914
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: The way they did it is that they sedated and

915
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: then paralyzed volunteers and then tried different methods to keep

916
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: them breathing. Oh and to be fair, they had like

917
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: emergency breathing apparatus, like machines that would do the breathing.

918
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: I don't know the right word here.

919
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: Ventilators.

920
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had ventilators like right there, you know, so

921
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: it was like, you try this for thirty seconds and

922
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work, you like run and put them

923
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: back on the thing or whatever. Also, the thing that

924
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 2: kind of when I first read this is like, god,

925
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: damn it. You know, the thirty two volunteers they were paid.

926
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: They were paid one hundred and fifty bucks each. And

927
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: they were all doctors, nurses, and med students. So it

928
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: wasn't lay people like it wasn't like poor people off

929
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: the street getting paid to be almost killed medically.

930
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: You know all these old experiments they used to be

931
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 3: done on like med students. I was just reading about

932
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: this one study where they wanted to like see what

933
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: amount of blood can be or GI systems, an old

934
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: old study like before it shows up in your poop

935
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: as like dark tari stuff. And so what do you do.

936
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 3: You just get a bunch of medical students and you

937
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: just make them drink blood, just drink blood, and they're like, oh,

938
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: they come back to this much. Yeah right, I took

939
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 3: this much blood until the poop turned colors. Medical students

940
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 3: had to be put through everything back in the day

941
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: was terrible.

942
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, but then they like grow up to become

943
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: doctors who then test things on themselves. Like, yes, I

944
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: was talking to my physician's assistant friend of mine as

945
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: I was researching this episode, and I was telling him

946
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: I was really excited about this stuff. And I was

947
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: like telling him at this part and he was like, yeah,

948
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean the way they tested anesthesia was that doctors

949
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 2: would like look at their watch and then take a

950
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: bunch of drugs and see you look at their watch.

951
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: When they woke up again. You know.

952
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: That was this guy. He also was an anesthesiologist who

953
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: did a lot of the work around testing and different

954
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: anesthesia drugs, and he would just do it on himself.

955
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: I suspect you often did it in more controlled environments

956
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: where like there was other people around, you know, right right,

957
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: But in these CPR experiments, basically he was comparing to

958
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: a previous way. Instead of emergency breathing, people were doing

959
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: this thing where they like lift you by the arms,

960
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: like from behind, and they're like, oh it like and

961
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: he was like, that seems like bullshit. I bet that

962
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And so they tested it and they were like,

963
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: that doesn't work at all, and then emergency breathing does

964
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: work at all. And specifically he proved that lay people

965
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: could be taught, like in a matter of minutes, how

966
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: to do rescue breathing enough to save people's lives. And

967
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: so some of the first experiments involved ten year old

968
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: boy scouts and also Eva. His wife came in was like,

969
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: all right, it seems important to you. I'll come do

970
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: this stuff.

971
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: Help you knock out these kids.

972
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, the kids aren't. The kids aren't going under.

973
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: The kids are doing the emergency breathing. Oh good, okay,

974
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: And so they're showing that this like seventy pound kid

975
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: can emergency breathe for like a three hundred pound man,

976
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: you know, and it worked. Rescue breathing is an incredibly

977
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: effective method of continuing to have oxygen cheer brain. And

978
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: he filmed the experiments and toward the country to show

979
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: people in nineteen fifty seven, and doctors around the world

980
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: were like this fucking rules. Doctors in the US were like,

981
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 2: you can't teach lay people how to do medical stuff.

982
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 2: They'll hurt people. And also it's icky that you must

983
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: kiss the person.

984
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: That remained a problem.

985
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. He had to finally came up with some fucking

986
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: whole device that was like, you can use this instead.

987
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't serve a medical purpose. It's less effective than

988
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: just putting your mouth on someone.

989
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're probably gonna mention this. But in nineteen

990
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 3: ninety seven, I think they actually changed the recommendations so

991
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: you didn't have to do for you do there's a

992
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 3: certain amount of compressions to air that you would give.

993
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: And then at some point the guidelines here at least

994
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: were like, well, O could just do the compressions, that's

995
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: the important thing. Do the compressions. The airway thing isn't

996
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: as important. And a big part of it was like

997
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 3: because of concern of spreading stuff and infectious stuff. Yeah, no, no,

998
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, but you're right. You have those

999
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: devices that some people will carry with them, which is

1000
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: like the kinds like a mouth condom basically.

1001
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And he helped develop those and then like

1002
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: didn't get any of the money from him or something.

1003
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: That part I didn't write in the script because I

1004
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: didn't pay enough attention, so don't quote me on that.

1005
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: Eventually people accepted CPR because it was very effective at

1006
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 2: saving lives. At least. Peter was just a fucking cool guy.

1007
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: He was like a weird side not even a sidecaracters actually

1008
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: pretty central of this story. But he didn't come out

1009
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: of World War Two a political He was an avowed

1010
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: world citizen and an anti nuclear weapons activist and an

1011
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: anti war activist. He basically was like, there should be

1012
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: like one federation that you know, everyone in the world

1013
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: has allegiance to instead of fucking countries or whatever. He

1014
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: was a tireless activist for single payer national healthcare system.

1015
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: He was like, that's the only way that we are

1016
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 2: going to save lives in America. When he turned seventy,

1017
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 2: well after the rest of this story, his friends framed

1018
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: a set of Peter's Laws for the Navigation of Life,

1019
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: which was all the idioms he kept saying, and it

1020
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: kind of just shows who he is really well, and

1021
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 2: they're obsessively productive guy mottos including if anything can go wrong,

1022
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: fix it. When given a choice, take both, start at

1023
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: the top and work your way up. If it's worth doing,

1024
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: it's got to be done now, and it's up to

1025
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: us to save the world.

1026
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: It was like the first grindset influencer I know.

1027
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: And it's funny because like doctors are put I'm sure

1028
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: you've never heard of this. Doctors are put under a

1029
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: specific thing to like become martyrs to their job. You know,

1030
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 2: like I've heard that, yeah, and it's kind of a problem,

1031
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: and this guy absolutely embodies the worst of that.

1032
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. This is back when people like doctors a little

1033
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: oh shit, a little bit. Yeah, yeah, all right.

1034
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: But his favorite motto and if I ever open a

1035
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: medical I will never open a medical services place, but

1036
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: if I do, emblazoned above the door is going to

1037
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: be this motto. Death is not the enemy, but occasionally

1038
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 2: needs help with timing.

1039
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: I like that.

1040
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. A young surgeon is going to get

1041
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 3: that tattooed on their chest now, I you know what

1042
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 3: good it rules because I love accepting death, will also

1043
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: postponing it as much as possible.

1044
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that, Like to me is like, that's

1045
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: the secret of life as far as I'm concerned, is

1046
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: to not be afraid of dying and like not being

1047
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: a rush right right, very's in He also so he

1048
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: works just to kind of finish off a bit of

1049
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: his life rather than his work. We'll talk more about

1050
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: his work with the ambulances later. He worked eighty hour weeks,

1051
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: like his entire life. He still found time to play

1052
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: the piano, and he and his wife Eva entered and

1053
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: won waltzing contest together a year after year until eventually

1054
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: they were tired to let other people win.

1055
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's so rad.

1056
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 2: I know.

1057
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 3: It's such a doctor mentality. We're going to be the best,

1058
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: even at this faultzing thing.

1059
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think she's into it. I think that

1060
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: she's on his level about this. He found the perfect partner, Yeah, exactly.

1061
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: And you know, they both tried other things. They both

1062
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: were apart f two years and they're like, that's dumb.

1063
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1064
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 2: And they would like host like monthly salons where he

1065
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: would like like all of his like kind of rich

1066
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: doctor friends would come over and he would like play

1067
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: piano for everyone every month at his house and stuff.

1068
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: He was like he was doing bougie right as basically

1069
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 2: as best second.

1070
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1071
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, cool guy, cool stuff.

1072
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty one, he left Baltimore for the also

1073
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: cool city Pittsburgh, and by nineteen sixty six he was

1074
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: working on his next big, great world changing millions of

1075
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: life saving thing, emergency medical services, which we'll talk about

1076
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 2: on Wednesday.

1077
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: Oh man, that's my clo Wednesday. Yeah, you gotta wait

1078
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 3: till Wednesday because we record these live. No, no, no,

1079
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 3: you only have to wait like that. Can I come

1080
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 3: back wearing the same exact clothing? Would that be okay? Yeah? Totally? Yeah, okay, good?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, before we leave and come back, tell

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Speaker 2: us about House of Pod or anything else. Do you

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Speaker 2: feel like plugging?

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Speaker 3: I will plug the House of Pod first. That is

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00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: my podcast. If you like this sort of topic. I

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00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: do sometimes cover historical stuff, but largely we cover things

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00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: either that at some intersection of public health and politics

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00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: or pop culture, and sometimes we do historical stuff as

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Speaker 3: well in medicine. So if this is kind of your vibe,

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Speaker 3: you might enjoy it. Margaret, I'm going to have to

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Speaker 3: have you on at this point. It's not just because

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00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: you're great and because you'd be an amazing guest, but

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00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: also it's the Persian thing. If you don't now take

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00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: my invitation, then there's great offense, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: it'll be uncomfortable for Sophie, who has to deal with

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Speaker 3: both of us.

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Speaker 2: But am I supposed to pretend to reject it and

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Speaker 2: then accept it or do I accept it right away?

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Speaker 3: No? No, that's a very good question. Boy. You understand

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Speaker 3: the taut oaf very well. Now, if we were at

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Speaker 3: a like arguing over like who's paying the bill at

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Speaker 3: a restaurant? Right, then you have to like pretend to

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00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: fight me on that one. You have to let me

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Speaker 3: win this one. You have to say yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: and then put it off as long as you want. Okay,

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Speaker 3: then yes, yes, yes, that sounds great. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 3: find us anywhere.

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Speaker 2: That you get podcasts awesome. I didn't get the pun

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Speaker 2: of the podcast until I was doing the Oh, well,

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Speaker 2: there's this old there's this old book called The House

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Speaker 2: of God. It was written in like nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 3: Shoot, I should now. I had the author on the

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Speaker 3: show a couple of times, and basically it was like

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Speaker 3: the first the first book in American history. It's considered

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Speaker 3: a great book, considered one of like one of the

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 3: best novels American novels of all time that really showed

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Speaker 3: medicine in a realistic light. It's a pretty problematic book

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Speaker 3: in some ways now, but there's some parts of it

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00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: that are Yeah, but there's some parts of it that

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Speaker 3: really hold up still. And that's just sort of where

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Speaker 3: the pun for the name House of House of Pod

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Speaker 3: came from. It's not a religious show, which sometimes I

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Speaker 3: get some very disappointed listeners checking it out for the

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Speaker 3: first time. We are not a religious show, not in

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Speaker 3: the way you'd want it to be at least. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if that's what you're looking for, but you like it,

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Speaker 3: I think probably maybe, I don't know. Three do it.

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Speaker 2: People should go listen to it, and they should also

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Speaker 2: listen to whatever Sophie wants to plug.

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Speaker 1: I want to plug Hood Politics season three, which is

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Speaker 1: out now. We got a whole another year of Hood Politics.

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Speaker 1: Prop is really diving in deep and it's an election year,

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Speaker 1: so check that out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been listening to Hood Politics a lot lately.

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Speaker 3: That's a good show. Whole new art we got a

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Speaker 3: whole new artwork.

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Speaker 1: It's looking good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna plug that. I have a substack, and

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Speaker 2: if you want to know more about the things I do,

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Speaker 2: I occasionally give updates on substack, but I also just

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00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 2: write an essay every week and you can hear my

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Speaker 2: thoughts on things.

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Speaker 3: By googling ardor Killjoy substack. I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 3: you the url. You're an adult and you can type it.

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Speaker 2: In See everyone on Wednesday.

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