WEBVTT - Beating The Book: Rufus Peabody 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:11.719 Check it down man, Now down man. It's the Beating 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:16.320 the Book Podcast, Bill Alexander, another edition of the pod 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.639 for your enjoyment during this strange time in all of 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:26.119 our lives, global pandemic. Surreal, man, just completely surreal. But 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.360 a credit to all of the guests who are kind 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.120 enough to come on the show and spend their time 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.520 talking to me, uh, super generous of them, lending all 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.479 of their insights and really giving their history as to 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.360 how they became the guys that they became, and really 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.600 the betters that they became. Each story in its own 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.400 right fascinating, none more so than that of this gentleman 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.560 right here. I've known him for quite some time now, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.080 one of the most successful sports betters I know, if 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:59.600 not the most successful. Rufus Peabody. Great story, interesting story. Uh, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.120 he unplays it. He's modest about it. Uh. But I 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.960 think you'll find it as fascinating as I do, and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:09.480 hopefully it inspires someone out there. Rufus Peabody on today's 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:17.319 Beating the Book Podcast, Enjoy it's a numbers game with 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:24.320 your host, Kill Alexander. You want comunits to believe in analytics, Zenner, 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.280 it is your home for analytics for sports metting analytics 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.919 live actual sports betting information. It's Gil Alexander Terrus except 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.160 Channel two oh four, Visa dot Com, the Visa app 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.000 Foobos laying Game Plus on down the line. Thank you 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.480 for tuning in on this Wednesday. Later on the show, 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.320 coming up, some more college football season win totals, y'all. Yesterday, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.560 Chris Felika, the bear for ESPN, was on here to 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.400 give his thoughts on those that were released by Caesar's. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.720 Also some conference futures. Today, Pete Feutach from College Football 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.320 News will take his dab at what we hope are 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.200 meaningful prop bets for the coming college football season props 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.279 in terms of the futures on conferences, but also season 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:07.760 win totals. So people will be here our number two 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.680 before that, very pumped to have my next guest hang 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:15.120 out with us as I channel my inner my inner 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.480 Bob costas U Roy Firestone here during this global pandemic. Uh. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.000 He is a how can I put this? He will 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.080 He will be modest after I say this, but he's 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.840 certainly one of the two most successful sports bettors that 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.799 I know. He'll immediately say, well, then I don't know 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.640 enough sports bettors. Uh. You may know him, perhaps as 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.800 the co host of the Bet the Process podcast that 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.480 he does with his buddy Jeff ma Uh, it's my 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.840 old friend Rufus Peatbody. Good morning to you, Rufus. How 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.480 you do it? Man Um, I'm doing wal Gil, Good 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.240 morning to you. How are you how San Francisco. Oh, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.639 it's good man Ash. You mentioned him live from San Francisco. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.519 You've been here, You've been h the spot here in 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.560 San Francisco. It's I'm well man. San Francisco got this 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.080 right early. They shut down before any other city did, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.240 and of course got some flak four it. But in 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.160 the end, I think they they have proven to be 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.639 ahead of things, and the stats bear that out. So far, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.800 we have not picked yet. You're in Boston, right, I 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.200 am in Boston, where it's you know, I don't think 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:14.880 they're a head of things here. I went to the 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.280 grocery story this past weekend, and maybe ten to fifteen 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.680 percent of people have masks. But I went for a 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:24.120 walk yesterday and it was close to like people with masks, 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.760 despite the fact that a lot of people were jogging 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.960 or running a rollerblading. So I think it's getting better. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.560 But I don't think a lot of people are taking 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:37.200 that that seriously. In terms of the mask recommendation, well, 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.040 I'm guessing you asked me this yesterday. How many with 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.400 the percentage of folks here anecdotally that I think are 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.880 wearing masks, it's I don't know if it's fifty I 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:49.000 said percent yesterday. It's probably like thirty or to But 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.880 you just mentioned something that to me is kind of 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.760 it induces complacency. When the weather is not good, it 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.760 is very easy to self quarantine. But when it gets 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.040 sunny outside, dude, they're all over Chrissy Field running here, 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.200 people are exercising. And I got the sense yesterday because 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:09.280 I've I've been one of these people who who have 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.760 always you know, looked askance and people who have denied 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.840 this from the beginning that this is happening and as 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.560 serious as it is. But yesterday, it's sort of it 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.840 messes with your brain when it's sunny outside and you're like, huh, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.000 it just doesn't feel virusy out here, right. Our brains 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.400 played tricks on us like that. So I kind of 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.560 get the complacency thing. I'm a little worried about that. 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.640 For a second. Spot, No I agree. I wanted to 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.080 get a sandwich at my favorite sandwich shop, which is 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.479 actually still open somehow, because it's like a deli. It's 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.839 I guess essential you can get. It's all take out anyway. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.599 So I was walking back. It was this beautiful spring 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.280 day and I almost sat down and ate it outside, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:47.360 and I was like, wait, what am I doing. I'm 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.200 not supposed to sit down at a park bench. Yeah, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.320 that's right. It's Gill Alexander Rufus Peabody, our guest today 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.520 here on a numbers game at Vista, these sports betting network. Um, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.800 so listen, we buried the headline for those who didn't 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.320 hear you on the show. A couple of weeks ago, 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:06.080 you actually tested positive for COVID nights seeing the growth 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:10.200 virus um. You said at the time that you had 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.120 a very mild form of it. You were feeling okay. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.640 Are you clear? You and your fiance, I should say, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.800 you both sort of clear of any symptoms at this point. Yeah, 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:20.840 I've been clear. It feels like it was a month 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:22.960 ago that I had the symptoms, So it's been a 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.760 long time. We've both been clear symptoms for a while. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.839 She has to she she works in the medical profession. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.400 She's a doctor, so she has to test positive or 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.160 test negative twice before she can go back to work. So, um, 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.160 she's I think you can go get tested today. Uh, 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.040 they're not retesting me. I've been cleared to resume being 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.960 I guess, resume going to the grocery store. That's basically 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.840 what's good saying doing these days. I was clear to 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:51.279 do that, I guess two weeks ago. So they I'm 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.920 presumed to be negative at this point. Well, we're all 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.000 glad to hear that. Um, Seriously, when I was a 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.640 worried about you there, even though I know you said 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.880 it was mild, but once you hear someone positive, you always, 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:06.080 uh worry for obvious reasons. Uh kill you avoided You 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.080 avoided slow this year, which proved to be a pretty 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.680 good decision, probably given the fact that I just gave 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.520 it to everybody there. Yeah, and you would have given 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:16.800 it to me, I'm sure as well. No, for sure, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.000 I hope everybody else. I know you mentioned Spanky a 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:20.960 couple of weeks ago, who's a better that we all know. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.760 I hope he's doing better. I had asked him to 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.520 come on the show, and he really wasn't feeling up 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.440 to it at the time. He said he wanted to 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:30.000 come on when he felt a lot better. Uh, he was, 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.920 he was geek to do so, but he just wasn't 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.000 feeling well. So I think he's I think he's doing better. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.360 I don't know if you've talked to him at all. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.600 You know, I've talked to him a little bit, and 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.960 I think he is doing better. So good, that's good. Okay, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.320 that's good. All right. UM. So, obviously the reason you're 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.160 here is, and maybe it's not so obvious, is that 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.640 I like to You know, Alan Boston came on the 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.080 show a few weeks back. I was able to talk 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.880 to him for two hours, talked to Bob Stole at length. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.560 Dr Bob about his handicapping process, how he became the 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.760 better that he became. Bill Krackenburger did that in a 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.160 couple of subsequent weeks when he was on his regular 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.040 portion of this show. You are one of the more 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.720 fascinating cases. And I know you probably don't feel that 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.600 about yourself, um, but I have. I have always felt 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.760 that way about you, and I think most do. Because 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.960 you are not typical. You do realize that right like 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.680 your brain is not the average brain. Gil is there an? 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.480 Is there a typical sports better? I don't think that. Well. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.200 I think the whole point is everybody is kind of quirky, 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.480 in nuanced in ways and things differently, and that's why, 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.280 that's why it's a beautiful, beautiful thing. Yes, that's a 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.240 that's a very clever way of trying to, uh put 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.400 a false equivalency into what you into your brain versus others. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.560 But I understand what you're saying. Certainly, it's a it's 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:47.480 an interesting cross section of humanity. I get it. But 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.440 what I'm getting out with you is your your background 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.640 is not typical. Let's let's go back, way back. We'll 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.160 get to the part that's not typical. I guess it 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.080 started ultimpically. You grew up I know this much about you, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.239 Like myself, you were of that generation, or I should 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.960 say those two three decades growing up in the DC 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.040 area where you were a redskin. You were a Redskin 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.400 fan and an Orioles fan because we were too young 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.000 for the Senators um and too old for the Nationals 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.960 kind of thing. So I know you grew up a 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.600 sports fan like that. What did your parents do? What 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.200 do they do, by the way. So my my parents 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.000 met at architecture school. Actually, my dad is an architect. 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:30.000 He runs a small residential design firm, which now he 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.520 does out of the basement of our childhood my childhood house. UM. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:40.000 And my mother Actually my mom worked at a boarding school, UM, 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.559 doing administrative stuff that was in Alexander, Virginia I grew up, 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.319 but she was home most of the time. She started 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.760 working there after I went to college, so she was 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:54.160 she was very active parent and drove me to sporting 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:59.959 events and all those types of things, and was Actually 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.800 I was born to Mrs Surprisingly Surprisingly I don't have 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.520 an accent, right, Um, Natchez, Mississippi, and I lived there 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.240 for five years before before my family moved to the 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:13.760 DC area. So and and two siblings, one sister, one 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:18.760 brother if I'm correct, Okay, and but we're all very different, 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.560 but they're they're both like really really awesome and really talented. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.120 I've met your brother, and I know your sister is 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.360 very talented, so I would I would concur with both 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.400 of that, Um, both of those comments. But you are 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.360 in your own right obviously very talented as well. And 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.280 I'm not blowing smoke here because folks you know who 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.000 lends it to this show are probably familiar with you 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.040 by this point again that the podcast that Rufus co 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:47.000 host is called bet the Process wherever podcast aren't distributed. Um, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:53.000 so here's the thing about you. You're super smart. Let 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:54.280 me just tell you what Roxy. Do you know what 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:58.120 Roxy says about you? Roxy Roxburrow, who's the legendary founder 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.120 of Las Vegas Sports Consultants, who I was just to 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.440 damming with last night from from Thailand. And he didn't 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.080 say this last night, but I know that he says 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.600 this of you. Do you do you have any guesses 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.040 as to what he says about you? What is? What 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.800 is stock line is? I don't know, he says. He says, 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:16.319 I always learned something from Rufus. I never forgot the 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.800 same way about Roxy. Yeah, I think we all do 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.920 about Roxy. Um, but when did you know? I guess 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.960 when you're a kid and you're a sports fan, like 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.000 like all of us were sports fans when we were kids. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.640 That is very typical. But when when did you know 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:34.400 that you were sort of thinking on a level that 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.680 other kids might not have been. Did that start young 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.920 for you or was that something that happened only when 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:42.800 you got to college age. Um, you know, I think 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.040 it happened. I mean, I don't think I'm thinking on 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:46.960 a level that's different from other people. I think that 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:49.120 there's a lot of people thinking, well, no, I mean 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.560 to me, I think that if I tried to do 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.600 what I do and and sort of typical finance markets, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.640 I would not be nearly as successful because part of 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:00.120 it is the fact that I just love sports and 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.040 and have always loved the number of side of sports, 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.280 and it just gives me ideas. I always I'm like, well, 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.400 I wonder if this has an effect. It just basically 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.760 think theories to test, which I remember, like charting people 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.920 this this is not to things the typical kid does, 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.480 but I remember watching Orioles games and charting pitches for 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.160 this is back in like the nineties, charting pitches for 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.440 um reading baseball prospectives cover to cover, back when it 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:29.360 was called UM yeah, yeah, I remember when Richard Hidalgo, 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.360 When Richard Hidalgo, remember that guy was on the side. Yes, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:38.440 I do know PD guy, but I reference in my 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.240 spare time, I like worked on a project basically trying 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.640 to prove that walk rate was way undervalued and important Um, 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.000 I guess this is before a little bit before moneyball, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.400 I guess, but I'm around that this time when you're 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:54.880 trying to figure this out. Um, this was let's see, actually, no, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.319 this was early two thousands. I was probably this is 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.760 the end of high school, beginning of college. Probably they're there, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.360 but the Richard at nine years old? Yeah, no, but 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.680 but I was, so we would so when I, I 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.240 guess in kindergarten and first grade, I went to this 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.840 private school and my parents we had a car. We'd 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.600 have a car pool to work, and my dad would stop, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.439 um and pick up a newspaper from the newsstand every 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.520 day and I would look at the sports section, read 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.480 the baseball box scores, and so that was that was 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.959 like my daily routine. And I love and I like. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.800 My mom was like, I don't know how you understood 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.240 what those numbers meant, but you somehow like found meeting 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.599 in them. So I think I've always been into the 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.840 number side of sports, and so that's kind of driven 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.480 driven me to to where I am now. But that 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.160 that's very interesting what you said though, that if you 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.280 were in financial markets, you wouldn't be nearly successful. So 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.520 what you know, what follows obviously then is I guess 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:50.360 what you're saying, And I think it's true sports, that 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.199 the coverage of sports in this country in many ways 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.040 is so primitive and and even to this day, is primitive, 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:02.160 right in terms of what we focus on. Right, it's 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.319 the notion of third down conversion, where just throwing out 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.719 one off the top of my head, the notion that 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:11.000 that is some catch all stat that is meaningful without 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.839 giving an indication it is a third and two is 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.400 a third and eleven, right, just like one quick example. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:21.040 It's just a very simplified thing that's out there in 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.160 the mainstream media. And I guess what you're saying is 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.800 that's what allows you to be successful. So much of 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:33.480 that is that it is just so basic across the board. Well, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.280 that and the fact that I feel like I have 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.640 intuitions for sports that I just don't have for general 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.760 business stuff because that's sports has been what I've been 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.719 exposed to and and what I think about. Whereas and now, 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.920 like you know, obviously, I'm spending a little more time 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.360 in finance related stuff now and I talked to other 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.120 people that are that I think are way smarter than me, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.920 who have these intuitions, and man, these guys so smart, like, oh, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.920 that makes so much sense. But but I can't, Like, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.240 I don't think that myself. Are you betting anything with 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.560 the stock market on a daily basis during the pandemic? 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.960 It is betting. I'm not doing any day trading exactly. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.000 But I'm an investor in the stock market. I have 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.960 for a while. Um the amount I invest in ebbed 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.960 and float, I guess so I have made the occasional 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.080 mistake of trying to time it a little bit, and 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.200 I did. I did sell a lot of stocks back 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.480 in late February when I thought this is gonna be 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.160 a lot worse than everybody thought. And so I'm trying 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:33.880 to figure out and I put a little bit of 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.760 money back in a few weeks ago when when the 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.040 Dow was under twenty. But but now I'm like, I 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.640 should have sold more and bought more. So there's still 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.360 there's that. But I'm trying to figure out what to position. 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.200 I mean, I'm mostly a buy and hold guy, passive investor, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.640 you know van Guard index funds, they have lowest fees, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.720 tracked the market, but occasionally I will do some gambling occasionally, 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.440 and I've done yeah, I've done some. I've done some 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.680 gambling during during this. I mean, you got where else 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.800 is the gambling? I don't know yet. By the way, um, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.360 I think I mentioned to this this to you a 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.480 couple of weeks ago when you were on But I 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:17.400 got an update Bookmaker now on an individual uh Maddens 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:23.880 simulation about a hundred thousand dollars in handle. So I 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.560 think it's a fascinating stat because, on the one hand, 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.479 the reaction of many will be oh my god, degenerates, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.280 it's ridiculous, and there's a little part of my reaction 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.280 that's that as well. But then you do have the 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.720 thought right afterwards, is that any less predictable than the 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.520 actual NFL is free flapping? I haven't watched it, so 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.200 I don't know. Maybe their patterns, Maybe there's there's ways 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.880 for betters to get edge edges. I don't I haven't 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.360 had enough interest yet to sit down and find out. 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.520 But I find that fascinating that just from an evolutionary standpoint, 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:56.800 if you ever doubted that betting was in our DNA, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.680 or if betting was at its worst an addiction, there 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.000 is or there is your proof right there, or maybe 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.840 there actually is an angle to it. Well, to me, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.280 it just it just says how big their handle must 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.880 be regularly. You know how they're doing this to keep 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.840 keep the lights on, I guess, but you know you 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.080 don't see numbers like you do for New Jersey, Nevada, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.720 for the off shore world. So you you're a we're 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.520 talking to Rufus Peabody, by the way, um on the 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:30.360 show today, and um, you got to high school. I 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.560 I assume you were a successful student because the shows 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.120 are not the shows, but the universities that you can 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:42.240 apply to. We're probably the entire set of universities you 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:47.720 end up at Yale. Um tell everybody what your thesis 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.880 ended up being there. Well, Gil, before we get to that, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.120 my high school experience was. I mean, I I was 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.080 lucky that my parents pushed me academically because I was 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.520 someone that, like my sister, would do extra credit in 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.440 a class that she already had a hundred in And 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.200 I wasn't that person. I was someone that I did 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.520 the bare minimum um to get the grade I needed 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.760 to get. And so I knew that to me, like 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.720 getting into a good college was like sort of the 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.480 what I was supposed to do, and the challenge, and 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.639 I knew that I had to get end up with 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:17.960 a's at the end of the year and all the 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.720 courses in my transcript. But but you didn't have to 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.800 get in a every quarter to do that. In fact, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.040 the way it worked, if you got an A went 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.000 into the systems of four point oh and a V 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.919 plus went in is at three point five. And so 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.240 if you got um in grades were determined by we 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.720 had four quarters in the final exam, so one fifth 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.439 for each of those five segments, and so one A 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.639 and four B plus is averaged out to an A. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.439 And so I would look if if that's what I had, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:43.840 I would look just as good as the guy that 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.280 got a hundred on every test and was the star 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.000 of the class. So basically I was I was the 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.919 guy that flew under the radar here, and and I 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.920 was like, I worked as hard as I needed to 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.399 to sort of get the low A. That was what 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.439 my goal was. And I didn't sort of say it 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:04.360 that way, but like I definitely I didn't put in Yeah, 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.200 I mean I did my German homework for second period, 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.240 for I did my German homework in calculus class and 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.480 as well as working on running a bracket contest from 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.479 the back of the class in the funny story. Actually 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:23.560 the calculus teacher, Mr Nickley until I remember when I 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.560 asked him for a letter of recommendation when I was 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.560 applying to college. He said, I assume you don't want 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.800 me to talk about the fact you're running bracket You're 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.520 running bracket contests from the back of the class. I 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.120 was like, you were that kid. You were that kid 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.440 as well? What's what school? Was this? Rufus? Just so 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:43.560 just like I'm familiar TC Williams High School TC Williams. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.960 Wasn't TC Williams featured in the Denzel Washington movie as well? 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.919 Was that TC Williams? It was Remember the Titans. Remember 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.280 the Titans are claim to fame. Although our so our 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.040 football team when I was there was not nearly successful. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.840 I think we won maybe four games in four years, 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:06.399 and I still remember we were losing I think to 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:12.320 nothing it senior year at homecoming at halftime, um, oh man, 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.800 not good. I wasn't there, though I was. I was 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.200 a runner. I ran across country and so I didn't 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.919 I didn't have to go to any of the games. Luckily, Oh, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.679 I could see you running cross country you have that 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.320 cross country bill? What was the uh so TC Williams 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.960 had that grading system? I had no idea. I think 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.520 I still do they still have that system? I'm sure. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.080 I mean, I don't know. It's been many years. But 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.119 but the way the way it works, right because because 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.919 a's are on a range. But when I found this out, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.080 I mean it was it was a game changer. But 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:46.920 three be goes in as a three point oh though, 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.520 so if you have one B, it's like it's it's 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:51.479 a little harder. See, I needed I needed to make 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.480 sure I got at least b pluses. See this changes everything. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.400 Where was perhaps you weren't as smart as I gave 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.760 you credit for her exactly. See, I was that I 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.879 was not the superstars to in the class, and I 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.720 managed to be like, you know, well rounded. That was 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.960 the thing everybody was, you know, you know, that was 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.959 what I everydu was talking about to get into good 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.640 college and to be well round, to do all these extracurriculars. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.040 I just kept busy in general. Like I I refereed. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.120 I refereed youth soccer games as a weekend job. I 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.240 umpired youth baseball. I was, I was in the band, 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.239 I you know, like I did all these things just 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:28.119 because you know, I kept myself busy and I enjoyed 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.000 all the sports stuff. I played every you know, I've 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.680 played sports every season as well as I did UM 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.119 stats for the basketball team my senior year. I ran 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.919 their statistics UM department. I guess I don't even know 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.280 what you call it. So so somehow my senior year 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.359 I ended up as well as running into a track, 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.400 and I ended up with four senior letters and four 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.840