WEBVTT - Apartheid International

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone media, come with me for a moment. Back

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<v Speaker 1>to February of twenty seventeen. It was just weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump had been sworn in as president for his

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<v Speaker 1>first term. There was a lot of uncertainty, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fear. Millions of Americans marched in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 1>To protest his presidency in its first days. There was

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<v Speaker 1>still some hope in those early days that maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't meant most of what he'd said, maybe it was

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<v Speaker 1>campaign bluster, hot air and empty words. Within a week, though,

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<v Speaker 1>he'd signed an executive order banning travel to the United

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<v Speaker 1>States from predominantly Muslim countries, sparking a wave of protests

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<v Speaker 1>at airports and signaling that he intended to follow through

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<v Speaker 1>on his xenophobic, anti immigrant campaign promises. A month into

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<v Speaker 1>his pre tens of thousands of Americans in at least

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<v Speaker 1>fifty cities around the country rallied for a protest on

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<v Speaker 1>President's Day, calling it not my President's Day. But that

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<v Speaker 1>same week, half a world away, a very different march

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<v Speaker 1>was taking place in Zagreb's city center. A few dozen

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<v Speaker 1>men in black uniforms stood in formation, led by Drazen Klemenek,

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the Croatian Fascist Party HSP. They chanted the

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<v Speaker 1>slogans of the Eustasia, the Croatian fascist movement of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties and forties. Alongside the Holocaust carried out by

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi Germany, the Ustasia had undertaken a genocide of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>operating their own concentration camps and slaughtering whole villages of Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>Roma and Serbs. As those marchers assembled in the city

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<v Speaker 1>square and the brass band finished playing, the men took

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<v Speaker 1>an oath of allegiance to their Croatian homeland and and

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<v Speaker 1>to Donald Trump. Most of those marchers had empty hands,

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<v Speaker 1>some held brass instruments, but at the front of the

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<v Speaker 1>column several marchers held flags, the Croatian flag, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>and an American flag to show their support for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>But one man at the very front of the line

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<v Speaker 1>was carrying the flag of the German Ultranationalist Party NPD.

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<v Speaker 1>The march's organizer, Drazen Klemenek, was arrested that day for

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<v Speaker 1>shouting zadom spremni, which is the Croatian equivalent of yelling

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<v Speaker 1>Siegheil in Germany, but when he did get a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to the press, he explained the presence of

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<v Speaker 1>the German NPD flag. The man who'd been carrying it

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<v Speaker 1>was Alexander Nydeline, a representative from NPD, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>there to show his party's support for HSP. But that

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<v Speaker 1>march in February of twenty seventeen wasn't Alexander Nydline's first

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the Balkans. In nineteen ninety three, nyde Line

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<v Speaker 1>enlisted in the Convicts Battalion, a paramilitary unit of the

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<v Speaker 1>Croatian Defense Council made up of prisoners and foreign mercenaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Its leader was later convicted of crimes against humanity for

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<v Speaker 1>his actions during the Bosnian War. Nydeline didn't stay with

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<v Speaker 1>the unit for very long. In the years since, he's

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<v Speaker 1>taken issue with being called a mercenary, arguing that he

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<v Speaker 1>never actually got paid. Because just before Christmas of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three and two other German mercenaries deserted from the

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<v Speaker 1>Convicts Battalion. They took as many guns as they could

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<v Speaker 1>carry and disappeared into the night. A few weeks later,

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<v Speaker 1>those German mercenaries and those stolen guns turned up seven

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles away in South Africa. I'm Molly conger, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is weird little guys. This is a story about

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Stone. I think she may be our first weird

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<v Speaker 1>little guy who happens to be a woman. There was

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Humber, I guess, the voice of Taragram, but she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the central character in that story, just the disembodied

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<v Speaker 1>voice urging young men to kill. Weird little guy is

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<v Speaker 1>a gender neutral term in my mind. I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>avoiding telling the stories of women in the white power movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that, for the most part, the very nature

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<v Speaker 1>of their beliefs kind of prevents women from taking center stage,

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<v Speaker 1>even in their own lives. But this this is a

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<v Speaker 1>story of a woman who has dedicated her life to

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<v Speaker 1>the cause, and in her case, the cause is apartheid.

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<v Speaker 1>Like all my stories, this is really only kind of

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<v Speaker 1>about one weird little guy. And this might be the

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<v Speaker 1>widest net I've ever cast trying to understand one person's life.

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<v Speaker 1>The story covers decades and spans continence. There are bombings

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<v Speaker 1>and shootouts and murders. There's international gun smuggling, mercenaries and

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<v Speaker 1>paramilitaries and war crimes, suessful assassinations and foiled terrorist plots.

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<v Speaker 1>Their trials and prison breaks, and crimes left unpunished, some

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<v Speaker 1>with extradition petitions left pending for decades with no hope

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<v Speaker 1>of justice. There are some familiar landmarks, names of people

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<v Speaker 1>and organizations I recognize, like David Duke and the Ku

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<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan and the Turner Diaries. But there are people

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<v Speaker 1>in groups in this story that were new to me,

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<v Speaker 1>characters we haven't met yet and may see again in

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<v Speaker 1>future episodes exploring these fascist friendships across borders. But at

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<v Speaker 1>its core, this is a story about Monica Stone. She

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<v Speaker 1>isn't in all the parts of the story playing out

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<v Speaker 1>all around her, but the context matters more than ever,

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<v Speaker 1>because this week we're going to dig into a weighty idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the fascist international. I haven't forgotten where we started. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you have. That's understandable. I left you hanging there for

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<v Speaker 1>a week while I recovered from a stomach virus. But

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks ago we were talking about white genocide. The

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<v Speaker 1>story began in Sacramento in twenty twelve. A group of

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<v Speaker 1>neo Nazi skinheads was rallying at the state capitol in

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<v Speaker 1>California to raise awareness of the plight of the white

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<v Speaker 1>South African farmer in that episode, I picked apart this myth,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that white farmers are being slaughtered every day

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<v Speaker 1>in a post apartheid South Africa, that white South Africans

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<v Speaker 1>are in danger of being completely wiped out by a

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<v Speaker 1>white genocide. That idea has been quite popular among white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacists around the world for some time. Norwegian mass murderer

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<v Speaker 1>Anders Bravik devoted a few pages of his fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>page manifesto to it. When Dylan Rufe murdered nine people

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<v Speaker 1>at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>his Facebook profile photo showed him at the camera in

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<v Speaker 1>a black jacket with two patches on the breast, the

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<v Speaker 1>flag of Rhodesia and the flag of apartheid South Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>I come across the idea pretty often in my work.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of my weird little guys are obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a fully segregated society and the state

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<v Speaker 1>violence against black people that comes with it. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the idea lived. It lived on stormfront and on

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<v Speaker 1>four Chan, and in manifestos and on Nazi podcasts. Those

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<v Speaker 1>rallies in twenty twelve were pretty unique. The public display

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<v Speaker 1>of the apartheid era South African flag at an American

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<v Speaker 1>political rally was unusual. It was unusual enough that it

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<v Speaker 1>was mentioned in news stories three years later when the

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<v Speaker 1>flag appeared again on Dylan Rufe's jacket. But like so

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<v Speaker 1>many once fringe ideas, it's part of the mainstream political discourse. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't rechread all of that. We talked about it

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<v Speaker 1>in the last episode, but now the President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States is repeating the talking points from the flyers

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<v Speaker 1>those skinheads printed out in twenty twelve, And I originally

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<v Speaker 1>set out to just talk about those rallies as a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of standalone story, this strange incident that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have happened in total isolation. As far as I've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to find, the group behind it had never put

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<v Speaker 1>on a public event before, and aside from a poorly

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<v Speaker 1>attended follow up in DC later that same year, they

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<v Speaker 1>never did again. The website has been offline for years,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's hardly any mention of the group at all anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of white supremacist groups are short lived, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really unusual, and this group, the South Africa Project,

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty obviously just two people running a side project

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<v Speaker 1>out of an Air Nations po box. But I can't

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<v Speaker 1>let anything go, so I started to dig, and it

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<v Speaker 1>became clear very quickly that there was a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more going on here than I thought. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve, when those rallies took place, both the

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<v Speaker 1>SPLC and the ADL had stories on their website explaining

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<v Speaker 1>that those events had been organized by American neo Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>Both groups zeroed in on Morris Goulette, a longtime Arian

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<v Speaker 1>Nations member and the man who'd given comments to the

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<v Speaker 1>press as the organization's spokesman. Both outlets identified several local

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<v Speaker 1>organizers of those assorted rallies. The Golden State Skinheads hosted

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<v Speaker 1>in Sacramento. Billy Roper headlined the rally in Arkansas. Rallies

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<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee and Pennsylvania were hosted by members of Folksfront

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<v Speaker 1>and so on. But in one single line in a

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<v Speaker 1>blog post that isn't even on the ADL's website anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>the events are attributed to a woman named Monica Stone

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<v Speaker 1>in this passing mention crediting Stone with the idea for

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<v Speaker 1>the rallies. The post notes that she was a South

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<v Speaker 1>African immigrant and a longtime member of the Christian Defense League.

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<v Speaker 1>The CDL was a Christian identity group that grew out

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<v Speaker 1>of the same milieu as the Aryan Nations in the sixties,

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<v Speaker 1>but it never really achieved the same level of influence.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's all there is. Monica and Louisiana. Monica from

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa, Monica speaking at the Aryan Nations World Congress

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<v Speaker 1>about the need for international solidarity between American neo Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>and africanter nationalists. But Google gives you exactly nothing about

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<v Speaker 1>this woman before or after this brief moment in time

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve. This point, I'm locked in. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to know more about this woman. How did she end

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<v Speaker 1>up in Mandeville, Louisiana, a town of just ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>people that I've only heard of because it's where David

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<v Speaker 1>Duke lives. So I started with the information that I

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<v Speaker 1>have a name, hopefully it's her real name, a city,

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<v Speaker 1>and some potential known associates. If her longtime membership in

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<v Speaker 1>the Christian Defense League is the only notable fact about her,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that means she was a very important member of

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<v Speaker 1>the group, And lucky for me, it turns out she

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<v Speaker 1>was the organization has or had, I guess, since it's defunct.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as I can tell, been run by a

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<v Speaker 1>man named Robert K. Warner since the seventies, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he took over, he moved its headquarters from California to

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana to be closer to his friend David Duke, and

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<v Speaker 1>in addition into the Christian Defense League, Warner also ran

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian identity church called the New Christian Crusade Church.

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<v Speaker 1>Corporate filings for the church show Robert K. Warner as

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<v Speaker 1>an officer of the organization, which I expected, but in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven he filed an amendment adding someone named Monica

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<v Speaker 1>Huggett as the church's chief financial officer, and he changed

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<v Speaker 1>the address on file to a residential address in Mandeville, Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>Property records for Saint Tammany Parish show that a mortgage

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<v Speaker 1>was taken out at that address by James Stone in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety two, but after he died, the property was

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<v Speaker 1>sold by his widow, and on the documents for the sale,

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<v Speaker 1>she's listed as Monica hugget Stone. And that's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of concrete paper trail I love to see. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt at all here that the Monica Stone behind those

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve rallies is the Monica Huggot who married James

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<v Speaker 1>Stone in two thousand and lived in Mandeville, Louisiana, two

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<v Speaker 1>miles away from David Duke. So now I have a

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<v Speaker 1>new name, Monica Huggot, and this is where I ran

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<v Speaker 1>into trouble. Almost immediately, everything is in Afrikaans. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>the English language material about someone named Monica Huggot is

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<v Speaker 1>about the renowned British conductor and baroque violinist. But that

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<v Speaker 1>is an entirely different person who I am almost one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent sure has never helped an Italian terrorist build

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<v Speaker 1>a bomb. Violinists have to be very careful with their hands,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But they were a handful of extremely tantalizing

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<v Speaker 1>clues that convinced me to power through the agony of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to translate blurry old PDFs. One of the first

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<v Speaker 1>English Langua sources I found referring to a South African

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<v Speaker 1>named Monica Huggett is the final report of the South

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<v Speaker 1>African Truth and Reconciliation Commission. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission

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<v Speaker 1>was authorized by President Nelson Mandela in nineteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>and it was chaired by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. The body's

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<v Speaker 1>goal was exactly what it says in the name, to

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<v Speaker 1>find the truth about what happened under apartheid and try

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<v Speaker 1>to find a way to move forward as a nation.

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<v Speaker 1>The TRC had three central tasks to discover the causes

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<v Speaker 1>in nature of human rights violations in South Africa between

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty and nineteen ninety four, to identify victims with

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<v Speaker 1>a goal of paying reparations, and to allow amnesty for

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<v Speaker 1>those who fully disclosed their involvement in politically motivated human

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<v Speaker 1>rights violations. This wasn't a tribunal, this was a restorative

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<v Speaker 1>justice process. They hoped to be able to provide amnesty

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<v Speaker 1>to people who were honest. Over the course of three years,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commission heard testimony from over twenty thousand people, both

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<v Speaker 1>victims and perpetrators. Monica Hugget did not, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell, ever, testify before the Commission, but her

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<v Speaker 1>name is in there. Specifically, it appears in Volume two,

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<v Speaker 1>the seven hundred page portion of the report dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>quote the Commission of gross violations of Human Rights, and

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<v Speaker 1>more specifically, it's in Chapter seven Political Violence in the

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<v Speaker 1>era of negotiations and transition. Under the subheading links with

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<v Speaker 1>international right wing groups, the report reads, the first link

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<v Speaker 1>between ultra right terrorism and foreign agencies came to light

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty two when mister Fabio Mariello, mister Massimobulo

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<v Speaker 1>and mister Uni Genio's office, all white foreign expatriates known

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<v Speaker 1>as the White Commando, were convicted of the nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>nine bombing of the offices of prominent academic doctor Jan Lombard.

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<v Speaker 1>Originally mister KuPS Vermullen and Miss Monica Hugget, a foreign

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<v Speaker 1>right winger, were arrested with them, but Huggitt turned state

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<v Speaker 1>witness and Vermullin was released after a few days. Hugget's

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<v Speaker 1>name was subsequently linked to the shootout in March nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety four between the South African police and three German

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<v Speaker 1>right wingers in the Donkerhook area. One German right winger,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Stephen Rayes, was arrested, mister Thomas Kuons was shot dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and a third, mister Horst Cleans, later arrested. A fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Alexander Ndline, was later charged in the Cullen and

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<v Speaker 1>Magistrates Court for illegal possession of a firearm. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can see why I was willing to invest

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<v Speaker 1>the effort to find out more about this, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a thing to find under the first

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<v Speaker 1>rock you turn over Italian terrorists bombing university offices in

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<v Speaker 1>Pretoria nineteen seventy nine, German mercenaries getting into a deadly

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<v Speaker 1>shootout with the police in nineteen ninety four, And there

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<v Speaker 1>she is right at the center of two separate acts

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<v Speaker 1>of pro apartheid terrorism fifteen years apart. Now there are

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<v Speaker 1>some problems here. First of all, her name is spelled wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>only a little wrong. It's missing one of the teas.

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<v Speaker 1>But Alexander Nydelin's name is spelled so incorrectly that you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find this by searching for his name. The report

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<v Speaker 1>calls him Alexander Niedneloin, which as far as I can tell,

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<v Speaker 1>is not anyone's name or a real German name at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And the bombing of Professor Lombard's offices at the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Pretoria happened in nineteen eighty, not nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It also describes Monica Huggett as a quote foreign right winger,

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<v Speaker 1>which really threw me off at first. I've heard her talk.

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<v Speaker 1>She sounds South African, and she's even said in multiple

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<v Speaker 1>interviews that she was born and raised there. The confusion

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<v Speaker 1>in the report maybe because she had publicly identified herself

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<v Speaker 1>as a member of the American ku Klux Klan, and

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<v Speaker 1>that may have been interpreted as her being American, And

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<v Speaker 1>by the time the Commission was starting their work, she

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<v Speaker 1>had left South Africa and was living in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>They never actually had a chance to speak to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm willing to cut them some slack on the details here.

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<v Speaker 1>They were close enough for government work, as my dad

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<v Speaker 1>used to say, and they had a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But as my subsequent research shows, beyond a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow of it out, Monica Huggett was born and raised

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<v Speaker 1>South African. But keep those four Germans in the back

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<v Speaker 1>of your mind for now. We'll see them again. Alexander Nydeline,

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<v Speaker 1>you've already met the German NPD member swearing allegiance to

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump at a Croatian Nazi rally in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>According to blurry old scans of arrest warrants from nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three, Stephen Rays and Thomas Kunst were the other

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<v Speaker 1>two German mercenaries he deserted with just before Christmas that year,

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<v Speaker 1>and just as an aside, I am admittedly not at

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<v Speaker 1>all an expert on the Bosnian War, so it took

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<v Speaker 1>me a minute to parse the letterhead on the warrants.

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<v Speaker 1>They were issued by the non existent country of the

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<v Speaker 1>Croatian Republic of Hertzeg Bosnia, which explains why Nydelein had

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<v Speaker 1>no problem re entering Croatia after fleeing as a fugitive

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<v Speaker 1>all those years ago, and the fourth man forced Glens

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<v Speaker 1>he still wanted for murder in Namibia. Early on in

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<v Speaker 1>my search for more information about this mysterious woman at

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<v Speaker 1>the center of these two terror plots carried out by

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<v Speaker 1>foreign neo Nazis, I found a master's thesis submitted by

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<v Speaker 1>Mada Visser to the University of Pretoria in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in Afrikaans but translated. The title is the Ideological

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<v Speaker 1>Foundations and Development of the White Fascist Movements in South

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<v Speaker 1>Africa nineteen forty five to nineteen ninety five. After some

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<v Speaker 1>truly agonizing trial and error trying to find a way

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<v Speaker 1>to translate a three hundred page PDF without paying for something.

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<v Speaker 1>The thesis was immensely useful, but every clue just raised

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<v Speaker 1>more questions, and I was running into dead end after

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<v Speaker 1>dead end trying to track down the primary sources in

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<v Speaker 1>the footnotes. I can find a lot of things, but

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<v Speaker 1>digitize archives of forty year old newspapers published in another

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<v Speaker 1>language in another country that might not even still exist

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<v Speaker 1>at all. For all I know, I came up empty,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was on the verge of total ners was

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<v Speaker 1>collapse at the idea that there is information out there

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<v Speaker 1>that is just not available to me. When I had

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<v Speaker 1>another idea and I found an unlikely ally the Central

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<v Speaker 1>Intelligence Agency, That's right. A special shout out this week

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the CIA, more specifically the Foreign Broadcast Information Service,

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<v Speaker 1>which was operated by the CIA until it was renamed

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<v Speaker 1>the Open Source Center in two thousand and five. Originally

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<v Speaker 1>called the Foreign Broadcast Monitoring Service, it was authorized in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty one by President Roosevelt, and its original purpose

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<v Speaker 1>was to record, translate, transcribe, and analyze propaganda radio programs

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<v Speaker 1>produced by the Access Powers during the war. Over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>its mission grew to include peacetime operations, and they eventually

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<v Speaker 1>added television and print media into the mix, collecting and

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<v Speaker 1>translating news from around the world and disseminating reports for

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<v Speaker 1>use by intelligence agencies and diplomatic and military organizations. It's

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<v Speaker 1>basically just an international news aggregator for government employees. And look,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe all those old South African newspapers do exist somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I found one. Not the one I was looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>not one with real journalists and investigative reporting like I'd hoped. No,

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<v Speaker 1>the only paper I could find a large catalog of

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<v Speaker 1>digitized archives for was a paper called De Transfiller. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an African or nationalist newspaper. That paper once unsuccessfully

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<v Speaker 1>tried to sue another South African newspaper for calling them

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi propaganda, but it was such overt Nazi propaganda that

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<v Speaker 1>the judge dismissed the suit and ruled that the editor

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<v Speaker 1>of the Transfaller quote did make his newspaper a tool

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<v Speaker 1>of the Nazis in South Africa and he knew it

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. So the Transvaaler wasn't exactly the resource I

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping to find, But eventually I gave up trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find old South African newspapers and something that was

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<v Speaker 1>much easier to find were the unclassified daily reports from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sub Saharan office of the Foreign Broadcast Intelligence Service.

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<v Speaker 1>So just this once, I guess I will give a

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<v Speaker 1>reluctant nod to the CIA. So now I have some

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<v Speaker 1>contemporaneous reporting that has been translated into English by someone

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>who's presumably a professional and not a robot, and the

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:59.639
<v Speaker 1>pieces are starting to come together. I can start to

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<v Speaker 1>see the picture here. This bombing campaign in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>is starting to come into focus. In August of nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>a newspaper editor in Pretoria received a letter on letter

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<v Speaker 1>head bearing a symbol remarkably similar to the cross emblem

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<v Speaker 1>used by the American Ku Klux Klan. A group calling

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<v Speaker 1>themselves the Vitt Commando or the White Commandos claimed responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>for the bombing of Professor Jon Lombard's office at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Pretoria, and the group threatened further attacks, writing

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<v Speaker 1>that people and organizations working toward integration would be warned

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<v Speaker 1>first and then eliminated. The Vit Commando had formed just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months earlier in May or June of nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>Sources vary. Monica Huggett would later testify that she joined

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<v Speaker 1>the newly formed vit Commando after meeting Massimo Bolo at

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting in Pretoria in June of nineteen eighty, as

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<v Speaker 1>described in the memoirs of Ray Hill, a man who

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<v Speaker 1>ended his lengthy career as a fascist organizer by playing

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<v Speaker 1>informant for the anti fascist magazine Searchlight. The meeting was

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<v Speaker 1>a summit for leaders of the British fascist group National Front,

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<v Speaker 1>the africaner nationalist group AWB, the far right South African

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<v Speaker 1>Political Party HNP, and an Italian fascist group called Unido.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though her involvement with vit Commando is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I can put her on paper involved in

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorist organization, it was obviously not her first introduction

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea. She had to have been deeply involved

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<v Speaker 1>with at least one of those fascist groups to have

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<v Speaker 1>even been in the room where Massimo Bolo invited her

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<v Speaker 1>to join his terrorist cell, and the group got started

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<v Speaker 1>right away. Just two months after forming the group, the

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<v Speaker 1>bombing of Lombard's office was already their third big public display.

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<v Speaker 1>They'd started a fire at a drive in theater and

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<v Speaker 1>fire bombed the Johannesburg headquarters of the Institute for Race

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Relations in December. They claimed responsibility for the bombing of

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<v Speaker 1>Professor F. A. Merritz's office at the University of South Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would carry out at least four more bombings

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>before members started getting arrested. The first four arrests came

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<v Speaker 1>in early February of nineteen eighty one a government employee

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<v Speaker 1>in Pretoria named W. G. Van Dyck, the director of

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<v Speaker 1>the South African National Front, Alan Fotheringham, an Italian fascist

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:34.359
<v Speaker 1>named Massimo Bolo, and as the newspaper put it at

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the time, mister Bolo's girlfriend, Miss m. Huggett of Kempton Park.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's the only source I could find alleging a

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>romantic relationship between the pair. It never comes up again,

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:53.439
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. And in the weeks that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>police would arrest even more alleged members of the VIT

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<v Speaker 1>Commando Fabio Miriello, an Italian born African citizen who'd emigrated

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>four years earlier, kuz Vermulin, the leader of the World

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Apartheid Movement, and an Italian immigrant named Eugenio Zoppis and

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>his wife Laura Zenenga. Those are all the names I

0:28:13.920 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 1>could find in most of my sources. I found a

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 1>few more names in an unlikely place. Documents released by

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the Italian government as part of their investigation into the

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Bologna massacre, a nineteen eighty bombing of a train station

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in Italy willie you to have been the work of

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:36.680
<v Speaker 1>fascist terrorists, do list several additional names of Italians who

0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>were in South Africa at the time and believed to

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>have been involved with the VIT Commando. But there's no

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>mention of those extra Italians in the South African or

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>English language press, as far as I can find. As

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, there's no mention of almost any

0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>of those people. Ever. Again, only Mariello, Bolo and Zoppis

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>actually faced charges. Marieloni Bolo were charged with sabotage the

0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 1>bombings and possession of a massive cache of weapons that

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>had been stolen from the South African Defense Force, including

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 1>fifty kilos of plastic explosives, sixty seven hand grenades, a

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>couple of land mines, eight rifles, four pistols, a machine gun,

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and five thousand rounds of ammunition. When Bolo and Mariello

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 1>went to trial later that year, Monica Hugget testified against them.

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>In exchange, she wasn't charged, she admitted that she had

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>procured the bomb making manual for Bolo books that she'd

0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>ordered from her clan contacts in the United States. I

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>was a little surprised to see a familiar title here.

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>One of the books she had sent to her from

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>America was called The poor Man's James Bond, which is

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the same bomb making book that Dennis Mahon bought for

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the ATF informant that he was in love with after

0:29:55.320 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>she expressed an interest in bomb making. What a Small World.

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Huggett also testified that she'd accompanied Bulow to Professor Lombard's

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>office to scout out the best location to place the bomb.

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>She explained that Bulow's residence had become unsuitable as a

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>workspace after too many of his friends moved in, so

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>she rented a property under her own name that he

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>could use to work on his bombs. On the stand,

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Huggitt explained that she's a political activist. She's a member

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>of the American ku Klux Klan and the Vit Commando.

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Never intended to endanger any human lives now, for what

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it's worth not to give this woman the benefit of

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the doubt. But despite the repeated threats to follow up

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>with more violence, to take up arms, to commit actual

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.240
<v Speaker 1>acts of violence against human beings. No one was ever

0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>actually injured by a vit commando bomb. They went off

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>in empty offices. I think she may have been telling

0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the truth. They were warnings. Huggett told the court that

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<v Speaker 1>their goal was to wake people up to the dangers

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of integration, to send a warning that more violence was

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:15.600
<v Speaker 1>inevitable if this creeping, incremental progressive reform that people were

0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about were to actually happen. She swore the group

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>had no intention of actually hurting anyone or trying to

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>overthrow the government. By the end of nineteen eighty one,

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Mussimobolo had been sentenced to fifty two years, though forty

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>two of those years would run concurrent with other portions

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of the sentence, leaving him with just ten years to

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>actually serve, and Fabio Miriello was given nineteen years, but

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 1>same deal. It was effectively just five, but Bolo didn't

0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>even serve those ten. He was released without any explanation

0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>that I can find, after just four years in nineteen

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>eighty five, and immediately deported back to Italy. I'm not

0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>entirely sure what became of Muriello, but Myightivisser's thesis says

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>he was known to have reconnected with Monica Huggett after

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>his release, and the pair both got involved with the

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:12.040
<v Speaker 1>South African branch of the American Neo Nazi religion, the

0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Church of the Creator. As for Eugenio Zuppis, the young

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Italian immigrant was charged only with the theft of the weapons.

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>He'd been the one to actually steal them from the

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>South African Defense Force, and he was also sentenced to

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 1>five years, and he appealed that sentence to the court.

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>So the following year, his lawyer was urging a judge

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 1>to consider the mitigating factors. He's so young. He's just

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty three years old, and he was a brand new

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>immigrant at the time, and he didn't speak any English.

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>He'd been manipulated by the much older Fabio Muriello. His

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>lawyer went as far as to say that Eugenio Zuppas

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>had joined the VIT Commando entirely by accident, and he

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 1>had no idea of the true nature of the organization

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>until after he was arrested. The article about the dismissal

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>of his appeal only lays out what his attorney said,

0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not clear from the reporting I can find if

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>anyone contradicted those statements in court, because you might have guessed,

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:21.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's not true. I mentioned earlier that the most

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>complete list of names of those Italian fascists who were

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:26.960
<v Speaker 1>arrested in South Africa in connection to the vict Commando

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 1>bombings was buried somewhere in two thousand pages of documents

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:35.600
<v Speaker 1>released by the Italian government related to the Bologna massacre.

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>In August of nineteen eighty, the same month that the

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Vit Commando bombing started in South Africa, eighty five people

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 1>were killed when a bomb went off inside the Bologna

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Central train station in Italy. It is, to some extent

0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of a mystery still. There were a number of

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>trials spanning over a decade, and several members of an

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Italian and fascist group were convicted, but the group itself

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 1>never accepted responsibility for the bombing. It is perhaps in

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 1>some ways akin to the Oklahoma City bombing. Legally we

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 1>found the guy who did it, but there are a

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of questions we're never going to get answers to,

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and there are a lot of weird paths you could

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>let your mind go down trying to find them, so

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>without losing my sanity or dragging you into the incomprehensible depths.

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Suffice it to say, Eugenio'suppus was not an innocent, confused

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>young man when he stole a small arsenal of weapons

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 1>for the vit Commando in nineteen eighty. In nineteen seventy six,

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>he was one of fifteen members of an Italian fascist

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.919
<v Speaker 1>group who armed with clubs and chains, beat a young

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>communist organizer to death in a small town outside of Rome. And,

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 1>contrary to his lawyer's claims that he had by pure coincidence,

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.439
<v Speaker 1>met and befriended a fellow Italian right after he moved

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>to South Africa, only to be manipulated by this new

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>friend into committee crimes. There is actually evidence that Zoppas

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>had been sent to South Africa specifically to meet with

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Fabio Mariello. In the months before Zappas arrived in South Africa,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a member of Italy's Black Order wrote Mariello that he

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 1>was sending six members down very soon, with more to follow.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty four, the newspaper of the Italian Communist

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Party listed Zappas among the names of seventy six fascist

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 1>fugitives believed to have fled the country. Diplomatic records show

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the Italian government was requesting his extradition from Paraguay by

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty six, and I don't know what happened to

0:35:46.480 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>him after that. In what is becoming a constant refrain,

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I do want to stress that I'm not an expert

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in South African history. I'm not a scholar of the

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>apartheid era. I'm not a historian. Every week I have

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to gain some new specialized knowledge to try to give

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 1>context to the story I'm trying to tell. And there's

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 1>only so much one person can sort out in a

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 1>couple of days. So bear with me, because I do

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>want to try to give some context here. This bit

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>commando bombing campaign in nineteen eighty didn't come out of nowhere.

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>When Monica Hugget testified against the men she'd helped carry

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>out those attacks, she said their goal had been to

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>demonstrate that many white South Africans were opposed to the

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 1>path of gradual concessions being made by the National Party,

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>and I was confused by that. It will be another

0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years before apartheid ended, and the National Party loved apartheid.

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:05.160
<v Speaker 1>What is she talking about? Apartheid is inherently violent. It

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>is a form of violence in and of itself. There

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>is no peaceful or kind way to run an apartheid state.

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>There is no nonviolent ethno state, and that's obvious. But

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the kinds of violence and the visibility of that violence

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>change from year to year. I don't mean to say

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 1>that things like the forced removal of Black Africans from

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>their homes and their lands are not violence. It is

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:39.800
<v Speaker 1>every action carried out in service of implementing and maintaining

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>apartheid was an act of violence. But some years were

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>bloodier than others. And while the political movement to end

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>apartheid ebbed and flowed, two people have always and will

0:37:54.960 --> 0:38:02.240
<v Speaker 1>always resist injustice. But in nineteen when those bombs went off,

0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 1>there was a growing awareness on all sides of the

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:10.760
<v Speaker 1>issue that something was going to have to change. Whether

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>they liked it or not, The country was about to

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 1>experience some of the most violent years of apartheid. For

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>those committed to maintaining the status quo and holding on

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:27.080
<v Speaker 1>to political power, that would mean making some targeted compromises

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and more importantly, doubling down on state repression. The Soweto

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 1>uprising had made apartheid a PR problem. I think for

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>most people, dead school children is more than a PR problem,

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>but for the National Party, that's what it was. In

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, thousands of students walked out of class

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in protest of a nineteen seventy four law requiring the

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>use of Afrikaans in school. Students sang and held sign

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:02.759
<v Speaker 1>as they marched, and they planned to rally at a

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>nearby stadium. Words spread to other nearby schools and students

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:11.560
<v Speaker 1>poured out into the streets to join the march, and

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 1>when they heard the police had blocked their intended route,

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the march organizers urged calm, telling the crowd,

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>brothers and sisters, I appeal to you, keep calm and cool.

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We have just received a report that the police are coming.

0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Don't taunt them, don't do anything to them. Be cool

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>and calm. We are not fighting. And when they encountered

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the police for the first time, for a moment it

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>seemed cooler heads had prevailed on all sides, but the

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>police weren't actually retreating. They were waiting for reinforcements, and

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>just half an hour later, the first tear gas canister

0:39:55.520 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>was fired into the crowd of children, and some of

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 1>them ran, but most of them stayed facing the police, unmoving.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 1>According to several accounts, I found the children were singing

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 1>when the first shot was fired. The police opened fire

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>with live rounds on the crowd of children. One of

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the first children to die that day was a twelve

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 1>year old boy named Hector Peterson. The photo of his tiny,

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 1>limp body in the arms of an older boy, with

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Hector's sister running beside him, was seen around the world.

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Black South African photojournalist sam and Zeema had captured the

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>true face of apartheid, and people were horrified. The violence

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>spread like wildfire, and the worst of it lasted for

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>three days. There was an explosion of internal resistance. White

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>university students marched against the killings, Black workers went on strike.

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Riots broke out in black townships all over the country.

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Buildings burned, and when the dust had settled, hundreds were dead.

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 1>The small reforms introduced in the late seventies had nothing

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>to do with the National Party softening its stance on apartheid,

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>but the apartheid regime saw some advantage to reducing international

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>criticism and disrupting black resistance. Amidst these tepid reforms, divisions grew.

0:41:46.880 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Some white South Africans, who had seen those pictures of

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:54.759
<v Speaker 1>children's corpses, now saw apartheid as what it was, a

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>true evil. Others were repulsed by the violence, but seemed

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 1>satisfied with the gestures toward reform. People like Monica Huggett,

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>were worried that these promised reforms, things like repealing the

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>ban on interracial relationships, would set the country on a

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>road to hell. In her testimony the trial for Mariello

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and Bolo, she laid the blame on her Italian accomplices,

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>but made no apologies for her own motivation, saying, on

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the stand, I was opposed to integration. I still am.

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:36.240
<v Speaker 1>The week Mariello and Bulo were convicted, American newspapers carried

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a four sentence wire story about the trial, noting that

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>it was South Africa's first ever prosecution of white terrorists.

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 1>How South Africa was entering its bloodiest decade of political violence.

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Someone had finally gone to jail for pro apartheid terror.

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.839
<v Speaker 1>But it's significant that they were only willing to prosecute

0:42:55.840 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 1>those Italian men. There's hardly any mention at all South

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>African woman who served as the point of contact for

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>these foreign terrorists. Many of the stories in South African

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>outlets stress heavily that the group was foreign in origin,

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>that its members were foreigners, that they didn't even speak Afrikaans,

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>that they had no connection to any South African political organizations.

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 1>But that assertion is complicated a little bit by an

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>anecdote from ray Hill's memoirs. On the first day of

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the trial, as Below and Miriello entered the courtroom, a

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 1>man in the gallery stood and applauded for them. Natman

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rudolph was a former police officer, and at the

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>time of the trial in nineteen eighty one, he was

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a sitting member of the Pretorias City Council and a

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 1>member of the far right party HNP. He would eventually

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:56.879
<v Speaker 1>leave party politics behind and form a white supremacist group

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 1>called the Order Bora Folk or the Order of the

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Boer People. He borrowed the name from the plot of

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the Turner Diaries. After Miriello and Bolo were convicted, the

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>VIC Commando ceased to exist. It was just one of

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:20.320
<v Speaker 1>countless short lived right wing organizations in a shifting political landscape.

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Groups formed and splintered and disappeared all the time. Sometimes

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>there was even doubt about the actual existence of some

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>group claiming credit for one attack or another, and a

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of groups had significantly overlapping membership. But the end

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of the vict Commendo was not the end of Monica

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Huggett's involvement in pro apartheid violence, not by a long shot. Now,

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>in my timeline of events, I lose track of Monica

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>after nineteen eighty one. I can't say what she was

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>up to for most of the eighties, but by the

0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 1>time I find her again in the record, she's a

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>high ranking member of the africaner nationalist neo Nazi organization

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>called the Africaner Veristanspavaging the Africaner Resistance Movement in English,

0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 1>or just AWB for short. It was founded in nineteen

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:18.359
<v Speaker 1>seventy three by Eugene terre Blanche, and the AWB wasn't

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 1>happy with apartheid. No, it wouldn't do at all. Apartheid

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was too left wing, it was too liberal, and there

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was too much risk to bore identity for them to

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:37.600
<v Speaker 1>be living in proximity to black Africans, even under apartheid conditions.

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 1>They're secessionists, and they believe the only solution to the

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>problem is a pure white ethno state, a folkstot or

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the white South African. It's a little bit baffling that

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 1>she was able to resume her activities retaining a fairly

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 1>high level of prestige and responsibility, particularly when it came

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to her international contact after she, you know, turned state's

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>witness against Maryellow and Bolo. Surely everyone knew she'd sold

0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>them out to save herself, but maybe her colleagues didn't

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:16.400
<v Speaker 1>see it that way. Maybe she was important enough that

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>they were willing to make that sacrifice to keep her

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 1>on the outside doing whatever it was she was doing.

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:27.320
<v Speaker 1>I had hope to get through the end of the

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighties in this episode, but I think we have

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:34.240
<v Speaker 1>to leave it here. In the mid eighties, our Italian

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>mercenaries were in the wind after serving just a handful

0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of years buying bars. I can't find Monica no matter

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>how hard I squint at old TV news b roll

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>of South African Nazi rallies. But I think she's there somewhere.

0:46:49.840 --> 0:46:53.720
<v Speaker 1>And next week, before we rejoined Monica in her own story,

0:46:54.680 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 1>we'll pick up in nineteen eighty nine with one of

0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 1>our German mercenaries. Five years before shooting out with the

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.720
<v Speaker 1>cops just days before the nineteen ninety four South African election,

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Horst Glen's was trying to prevent a different African nation

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 1>from holding its first democratic, multi racial elections. He failed

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>both times, but in nineteen eighty nine Klen's in his

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 1>South African Nazi terror Celle, took two lives in a

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 1>failed attempt to prevent Namibian independence. Weird Little Guys is

0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio. Its research

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.840
<v Speaker 1>written and recorded by me Molly Conker. Our executive producers

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>are Sophie Lichterman and Robert Evans. The show is edited

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The theme music was

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.879
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0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.800
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0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and I almost certainly won't answer it. It's nothing personal.

0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:06.839
<v Speaker 1>You can exchange conspiracy theories about the show with other

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<v Speaker 1>listeners on the Weird Little Guys subredd end. Just don't

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<v Speaker 1>post anything that's going to make you one of my

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<v Speaker 1>room guys.