1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops on today's episode of 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: Reality with the King. 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: I am in the presence of greatness. Ladies, gentlemen, gays 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 2: and days. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: Give it up for the podcast. 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: King the reality icon, the host who does the most 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: nickle intro. Listen, I'm so happy to talk to you. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: I'm happy, I'm happy to be with you. Thanks for 16 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: thanks for having. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Me so a little behind the scenes t So, I'm 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: gonna tell you all how much of a great guy 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: Nick is, because I know people think, oh my god, 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: he's this or that. Listen. In real life, I had 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: a studio book. 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 3: From my guy. An hour ago, no one showed up. 23 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: His publicist and Nick were like, let's just pivot and 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 2: come to our studio. 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: And Nick was like, do you need a ride? I'm like, 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: I can catch an uber or left or the train. 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 2: He's like, come ride with me, dude. So listen all 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: of that talk about what this guy does or doesn't do. 29 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you he is the nicest and 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: thank you so much for pivoting the way you did. 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: I don't understand Nick, why people think you're a bad guy. 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: Get that. You know, I have opinions, you know, and 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: I'm white, I'm straight, so well you know. But yeah, 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: I mean listen, I think, as you know, you know, 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: just like I think the reality TV space is, you 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: have to embrace the discourse. You know. I'm always like 37 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: reminding my team it is not our jobs to be liked. 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: It is our job to like give things people to 39 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: care about. You know. We want people to be engaged 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: in what we're doing. We want them to certainly enjoy 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: being liked, and we want people to agree with us 42 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 3: at times, but it's more important that they care. It's 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: not interesting to just say the popular thing. We're also 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: not trying to say things just to be divisive either, 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 3: you know, We're not. You know, there's I'm a huge 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: sports fan and I find it irritating. There's like a 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 3: gentleman named Skip Bayliss. For those of you who follow 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: sports you would know. But like there's certain people in 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: sports who are just they say things knowing it's going 50 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: to get people riled up, like knowing it's going to 51 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 3: be they don't even believe in what they're saying. And 52 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 3: that's certainly something that we we we don't do that, 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: but we are willing to, like, you know, have an 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: opinion and allow people disagree with it. And I think, 55 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 3: you know, and and and like in Reality TV, you know, 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: it's just like I always kind of equate it to 57 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: sports because we cover Reality V like sports, where like 58 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: I love I love rooting against the Minnesota Vikings as 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: much as I enjoy rooting for my Green Bay Packers, 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: you know. So it's like it's it's fun to like 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: hate on things, as we know as humans, we do 62 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: that all the time. And sports is like an outlet 63 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: for people to like have a you know, hopefully a 64 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: healthy amount of hate. And I think Reality TV for 65 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: its fans offer that same outlet where like we're not 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: just rooting for for Meredith Marx, you know, sometimes we're 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: rooting against Brittany Bateman. Now I'm a Britney Bateman, Stan, 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: but you know what I'm saying, Like we you know, 69 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: we we pick our sides, and so when we are 70 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: giving our commentary about you know, various characters online, that 71 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: often comes with talking our shit for people who are like, 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: you know, don't talk shit about Lisa Barlowe. You know, 73 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 3: they're like, that's my queen. You know what I'm saying. 74 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: And I'm out there being like, well, you know, I 75 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 3: got something you have to say, you know, and that 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: is often met with, you know, feedback. 77 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: Listen. I'm fascinated by you because you are a straight 78 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: white male, you're married, you have a beautiful daughter, River, 79 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: but you understand housewives in a way that I haven't 80 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: heard from a straight guy talk to me about, Like, 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: how are you able to understand the complexities of housewives 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: the way you do a football game. 83 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, thank you. I feel like when 84 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: especially Bravo World, they're very protective of their Bravo celebrities. 85 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: So it's been an initiation to just like when we 86 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: were like, hey, we're you know, we're gonna start talking 87 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: about Bravo, and I think that was met with a 88 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: lot of like oh really, you know, obviously I come 89 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: from the reality TV space being a part of like Batterination, 90 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: and just like I think they're all all realit. TV 91 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: isn't made the same, but there are all there are 92 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 3: a lot of similarities just how really TV is produced 93 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 3: and just kind of those inner working So I definitely 94 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: have a PhD in reality TV in general, and and 95 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 3: I think that's helped just relate to from a TV standpoint. 96 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 3: Ever since I've been a part of Batriination, I've had 97 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: an audience predominantly of women. I have six sisters. I 98 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: as someone who's as a straight male who's dated women, 99 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: have always tried to be someone who is willing to 100 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: learn and with the goal of being like a good partner. 101 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: And I've always just been fascinated with interpersonal relationships in 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 3: general as someone who like you know, has built part 103 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: of our show is just giving like relationship advice to 104 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: all people a lot. Again, with my audience being predominantly women, 105 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: I've learned from them as much as I hope they've 106 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: learned from me. And so again, like I also you 107 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: know not to go you know super deep. I think 108 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 3: you know clearly, we obviously live in a time where 109 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: identity is often talked about, you know, in terms of 110 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: like who we are. But I still I really think 111 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 3: as someone who as a straight white guy who's covered 112 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: really TV and has had an audience of women and 113 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: has learned from them as much as I have that 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: as people, we have way more similarities than we have differences. 115 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 3: You know, there are certainly differences that you know, we 116 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: all have. And so when it comes to interpersonal relationships 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: and the things that trigger us and how our egos 118 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: play a role in decisions that we make, humans will 119 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 3: human and I think, you know, not trying to I again, 120 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: so to that degree, I've often looked for the ways 121 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: I'm more similar with my audience or with like the 122 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: Bravo house with the Housewives. I've been activated before, I 123 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: have led with my ego. I have felt embarrassed, I 124 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: have felt humiliated. I have been prideful, you know, I, 125 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: you know, in all those things, and like that's ultimately 126 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 3: what we're breaking down with Housewives, and so I think, 127 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 3: I think all of that kind of goes into it. 128 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: And then you know, I also try to bring the 129 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 3: level of perspective that we're as the outsider, you know, 130 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: you know, as the person who like from you know, 131 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: from the male point of view, you know, which again 132 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: is part often criticized and critiqued, but like I also 133 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: think even for my you know, like our critics of 134 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: our show are number ones, you know, we love them 135 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: like without without them, you know, it's hard to have 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: a show, especially the type of show that we have, because, 137 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: like you, people like you know, they want they want 138 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 3: to listen because like I hope, I hope that we're 139 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: creating a community with a common shared interest in like 140 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: housewives and reality TV. And just like as a sports fan, 141 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: I am looking for takes not just to agree with, 142 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: but also to disagree with. I want to like I 143 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 3: want them to like make me think about well that's 144 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 3: an interesting point, or like, you know, just to to 145 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: care about things. I think we live in a world 146 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: where it's it's it's hard to care about things these days, 147 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: or are we're told to care about things that like 148 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: honestly are just so goddamn divisive that like reality TV 149 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: brings it it's like hopefully something that is fun, a 150 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: little messy, a little but ultimately like something that brings 151 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: us together. 152 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: No, I could not agree with you more. And I 153 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: think the reason why your podcast is such a huge 154 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 2: success is because you do have a voice in this 155 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 2: reality landscape. I mean, we always talk about the Housewives fandom, 156 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: but what I have learned Nick, is there is nothing 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: like the Bachelor Nation. 158 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: I think Bravo is its match for sure. 159 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: Who has the craziest fan base Bachelor Nation or Housewives? 160 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: I think I think both. And here's what I mean 161 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: by that is because like as okay, so as someone 162 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: who comes from Batchnation, Yeah, i was the villain on 163 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: my first at least first season, debatable on the second season. 164 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: But I've always been like controversial and this was before 165 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: I ever watched vander Pump or Housewives. And I was 166 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: controversial for interrupting or you know. I was controversial for 167 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: like not being there to make friends, you know, uh 168 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: where Jack's was controversial for fucking a stripper in Vegas 169 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: and gaslighting his friends and multiply and cheating, you know, 170 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 3: getting arrested and cheating on his partner. And so the 171 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: for me, it was like, wait, I started watching Bravo, 172 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: I was like, excuse me, what are they? What is 173 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: going on in this universe? And so just the level 174 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: of like just the things that people are doing and so, 175 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: which is why you could argue that Bravo Nation is 176 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: way more intense because they are they're sweating the small stuff, 177 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: you know, they're freaking out over just absolutely nothing, you know, 178 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: where you're just like, wait, how how is this? How 179 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: are people reacting to this? Because it's you know, it's 180 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 3: network television, it's ABC, Disney and so like they're they're 181 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: not really talk you know, like so and so I 182 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: think that it's it's creating because people. I think people 183 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: just want to they want drama on their lives. We 184 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: all say we don't want drama, and we all we 185 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: all do, and so I think Brava, I mean, I 186 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 3: think batter Nation, It's fan base is often looking for 187 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: things that it's not even there. They're you know, they're 188 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: blowing things out of proportion. They will see a scene 189 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: between two people and and then be so confidently convinced 190 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: that that person's gasoling this other person, where it's like 191 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 3: are you sure? Like are you are we watching the 192 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: same thing? Like maybe, but like you might be jumping 193 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: to conclusions where I think you have Bravo World where 194 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: you're you they in the best possible way, they're you know, 195 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: it's cable. They you know, they have a lot more leeway. 196 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: They're talking about some way more messier topics, and so 197 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: then you have other things that are more mundane, that 198 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: are kind of like swept under the rug. Right. But 199 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: that being said, I think the intensity is probably the 200 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: same both fan bases, you know, like like well, like 201 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: Love Island, right, Like Love Island right now number one, 202 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 3: it's the number one, right. And I was talking to 203 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: a former Bachelor producer and he was like, listen, like 204 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: is you know, because then that's when you have people 205 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: like stalking the talent, right finding old tweets. Look, you know, 206 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: it's like people will like bring up the you know, 207 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: something from like eight years ago. I'm like, where did 208 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 3: they find this stuff? And it would be like someone 209 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 3: who like I went to a party with this person 210 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: and I knew them and they're in the background of 211 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: the photo and they're you know, but like that just 212 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: speaks to how popular that that show is. Because the 213 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 3: larger the fan base there there are, they're crazy online 214 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 3: people everywhere, and so the larger the show, the more 215 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: popular the show, the more intense fan base becomes. And 216 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: so but to that point, I'm just saying, like you 217 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: know blog Bravo has its bloggers, they have their people 218 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 3: on Reddit, they have their people deep diving its cast members. 219 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: Bacher Nation has it as well. And at the height 220 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: of batternation. Yeah, it's just like they you know, they're 221 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 3: they're doing the background checks, you know, like you know, 222 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: to get on the show. You know, all these people 223 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: say they have background checks, and then and then all 224 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: of a sudden, the fans get involved and they're like, no, no, no, 225 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: let's let's will we'll do the background checks and you 226 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: and you really know how popular a show is when 227 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: they're you know, I don't think it's that productive or 228 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: often right, but like when they're when they're deep diving 229 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 3: every little thing about their past and critiquing every little 230 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: thing and making you know, and breaking it down and 231 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: you know, and all those things. But I would say 232 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: equally intense, but just intense in different ways. 233 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: And that's the thing about you, because you have this 234 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: confidence and you are like this tall, attractive man you 235 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: clearly can probably you're married now, but I'm pretty sure 236 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: there's single days. There's never been a woman who was 237 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: like not interested in you. 238 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: Sure does that? 239 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: I mean, he's a tall glass of water Natalie, you 240 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: did well, my girl. With that being said, you're one 241 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: of eleven children growing up in a Catholic household, you're 242 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: the second oldest. Correct, I'm one of ten kids? 243 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: Oh really? 244 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: Yes, no, so I get you. Listen, I'm the middle. 245 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm number five out of ten. You're number two out 246 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: of eleven. I still felt that as a child growing 247 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: up in that big household, you always had to find 248 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: your place and your own identity outside of your siblings. 249 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: And it's not sort of coincidental that you and I 250 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: coming from big families, we sort of carved our own path. 251 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: I was talking to you earlier about this on the 252 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: drive here. I am so impressed with you because there's 253 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: a lot of bachelors who's done a season infamous times 254 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 2: you never hear from them again. And I think there's 255 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: something about you and I growing up in big families 256 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: to where when shit got tough, you had your siblings 257 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: humbling you and you. 258 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: Have to figure shit out. 259 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: And do you credit your childhood with the way you've 260 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: been able to even surpass your predecessors on Bachelor? 261 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: And you're very humble. 262 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: But I said this to you earlier, Nick, you have 263 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 2: really built this media empire. 264 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I called it a media boutique. Yea, 265 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: I hope to We're growing, you know, I'm very proud 266 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: of how we've grown. You know, we just moved into 267 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: a brand new office space and a brand new studio, 268 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: which is very exciting for us. And the first office 269 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: space that like we rented was like I had. It 270 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: was like me and tular employees, and I was like, 271 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: I don't even know if we need this, but like sure, 272 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: you know, trying to like act the part. So it's 273 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: very exciting to like to grow. But like obviously we're 274 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: still very small and boutiquey. But yeah, I definitely think 275 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: my family upbringing played a role. Right Like we were. 276 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: My parents were very blue collar. I had amazing parents 277 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: in an amazing childhood, but like out of necessity, I saw 278 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 3: I always saw them worry about money. And I again, 279 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: I had a very privileged and great childhood relative to 280 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: like you know, the I guess so many people. But 281 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: like again, I always saw my parents worry about money. Uh. 282 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 3: They gave us everything we needed, but everything we wanted 283 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: we had to earn, you know, and so rip. But 284 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: our neighbor who recently just passed, like my first job 285 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: was in my I have a great my mom has 286 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: an amazing work ethic. I get my work ethic from 287 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: my mom. But my first job was being like seven 288 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: eight years old and our neighbors were tearing out their 289 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 3: old floor and I was just like with like a 290 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: thing like screw being the floor for like two bucks 291 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: an hour or like the next day at church, I 292 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: couldn't move my hands. But that was, you know, and 293 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: I remember they were like, you know, you can stop. 294 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: But like, you know, I've always had that, you know again, 295 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: like I wanted things, my parents couldn't afford it, and 296 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 3: so you know, the ability to earn was something that 297 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: like it allowed me to do things. So I think 298 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: maybe that was instilled in me early on, and then 299 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: like I guess like just you know, I've I've carried 300 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: that forward and you know, I do have you know, 301 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: I've been asked a lot recently in terms of like 302 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 3: what what I thinks has separated me from my peers 303 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: and allowed us, you know, me and my team to 304 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 3: have the success that we've had. But I think a 305 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 3: lot of people would would would roll their eyes about 306 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: people calling me humble. I have an immense amount of 307 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: confidence in myself, that is for sure, and that's not bad. Yeah, 308 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: and but yeah, I mean I've given feedback to my peers, 309 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: various peers at time that wasn't i know, wasn't received 310 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: very well about like, don't be a reality TV diva. 311 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: Understand the difference between the access you have and the 312 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 3: credibility you have. And I've always said, like being on 313 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: reality TV as a reality TV star gives you almost 314 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: unlimited access in this in this town, which is infinitely invaluable. 315 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if that makes sense, but it's super valuable. 316 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 3: But it gives you no credibility. 317 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 318 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. 319 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 3: You're a circus act to some people, but you're still 320 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: getting in rooms. And if you're getting in rooms with people, 321 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 3: you have a chance to build your own credibility because 322 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 3: like you're starting at the bottom, you know, like you know, 323 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 3: they have low expectations of you. They think you're probably 324 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: dumb and don't have the same whatever work ethic, but 325 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 3: whatever you do show them. Uh. And then if you 326 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: have humility and if you talk about if you ask 327 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: for help rather than for or you've asked for advice 328 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: or for help in terms of like guidance, but not 329 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: necessarily like a favor, or you don't come in with 330 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 3: an expectation of, Hey, I'm the lead of this show 331 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: and I'm a big deal in what acting jobs do 332 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 3: you have for me? I'm from the Midwest, and so 333 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: when I went on The Bachelor, even as like the villain, 334 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: everyone in my circle in the Midwest was like, you've 335 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: made it. You know, you were it. We're gonna you're 336 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: you're gonna be on this billboard, You're gonna be getting this, 337 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: and you're gonna be getting that. Because to them it 338 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: was like it was a huge deal. You know, for 339 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: three years, I was on ABC every Monday night, you know, 340 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: for various things. But it it you don't have any credibility. 341 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of I think a lot 342 00:19:54,840 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: of people you know burn bridges and and and there's 343 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 3: a like sense of entitlement I think for some people. 344 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: And and I also like tried and failed at a 345 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: lot of things. You know, between coming off of Dancing 346 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: with Stars Dancing with the Stars, which is I think 347 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: you know you have you know, the Bachelor kind of trajectory. 348 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, you transition, get you hope, you 349 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: get dancing with the stars, and then it's kind of 350 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: like then things get real slow, real fast. And like 351 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 3: I said, I, you know, I there was a period 352 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: of time where I was on ABC every Monday night 353 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: for two plus years, which you you kind of take 354 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: for granted at the time, and then all of a sudden, 355 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: you're just you're done. You know. Then you might get 356 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 3: an opportunity here, a stunt cast there, and and things 357 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: like that, but things slow down real fast, and I 358 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: you know, I had to figure it out, and I've 359 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 3: you know, I did a lot of I did try to. 360 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: I tried and failed at a lot of things, and 361 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: I finally, yeah, I found my thing in podcasting. And 362 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: I've I was lucky enough to you know, I was 363 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 3: I was thirty three when I when I got on TV, 364 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: so I had the benefit of having a decade long 365 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: career in corporate America. And I just was like, so 366 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: I knew what I was giving up in the sense 367 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: that like, I didn't move to La to like party, 368 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: and I didn't move to La to like I came 369 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: here to work, you know, I was just trying to 370 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: pivot my career and so with that said, you know 371 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: I I you know, I always you know, coming from Corford, America, 372 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: you have this kind of Monday through Friday mindset. Uh 373 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 3: even like and there are a lot of days I 374 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: just had nothing, nothing to do, you know, I was like, 375 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: what do I do today? And you have this very 376 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: like anxious feeling of being unproductive, and so there are 377 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: still days I was like, I guess I'll I don't know, 378 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: but I would go to the coffee shop and go 379 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: to coffee, and like when I was in sales and 380 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: i'd work from home. I tried to stay busy and 381 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: be productive. And whether it was networking or whether I 382 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 3: was taking improv classes or things like that, I just 383 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 3: I tried to figure it out. And I think I 384 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: just kind of I had that mindset that this is 385 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: a job, rather than a mindset of like how how 386 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: more famous I can be because I don't, I don't 387 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 3: even like I I'd rather just have money and power 388 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: and like you can take the fame. 389 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: You don't like being famous. 390 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: I'm aware of its advantages and I certainly appreciate the 391 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: things that come with it, but it's a headache. I mean, Ben, 392 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: I think Ben Affleck was recently interviewed, and I forget 393 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: where about something like this. The money's great, access is great, 394 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: you know, but the the what does fame really gets you? 395 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: It's a headache, you know, Like other than like you're 396 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: filling your ego of importance and things like that, it's 397 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: there's it brings unnecessary attention. And I at the stage 398 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 3: of my life where I am trying to make my 399 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 3: world smaller and my my you know, my family, my 400 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: immediate family, my wife, my daughter, We're trying to grow 401 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: our family obviously, my extended family, my siblings, my friends. 402 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 3: Like I only care about that. I'm I'm almost completely offline, 403 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 3: you know. I'm lucky enough to have people post for me. 404 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm eighty five percent offline, you know, but 405 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 3: like sports and stuff, but like, yeah, I'm just tunnel vision. 406 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: Like creatively, I don't. I used to like look at 407 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: charts and I used to look at numbers. I'm lucky 408 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 3: enough to have people do that for me. I'm only 409 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 3: thinking about the future. I don't like I you know, 410 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: if someone if if we're heading the wrong direction from 411 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: a show standpoint, I have people to like let me know. 412 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 3: But for the most part, I'm only focused on like 413 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 3: making the next show, growing the show, and like again, 414 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 3: like I'm very focused on like where my energy is going, 415 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 3: you know, And so our energy is not intangible. It 416 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: is not like what you think about matter, if you're 417 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 3: thinking about whatever, I don't know, Like as fun as 418 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 3: this is to think about housewives, like, you know, I'm 419 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 3: lucky enough that I can think about housewives and it's 420 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: a part of my business, you know, But if I am, 421 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: if I am thinking about, for example, a criticism I 422 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 3: might receive from a fan or an audience member, that 423 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 3: ultimately is just criticism, right maybe not you not you know, 424 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 3: I didn't do anything wrong other than like said something 425 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: that upsets someone, and and they have the right to 426 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: feel the way they feel. It serves me. It doesn't 427 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: serve me to dwell on that, to focus on that, 428 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: to get people to like me. That's not my responsibility. 429 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: It is not my job. It's I have to take 430 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 3: care of my people. I have employees to you know, 431 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: try to mentor or and be a good boss to them, 432 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: and family members to be a good family member and 433 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,479 Speaker 3: friends and be a good friends. Like I am not 434 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: trying to be likable to my audience. 435 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I want to get back to, like 436 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: you said, you were once considered this villain, this controversial 437 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 2: figure when you enter the Bachelor landscape. I did an 438 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: interview with Tiffany Pollard, who goes by New York and 439 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 2: she's known for the flavor of Love, and I did 440 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: an interview with her, and she said, I knew going 441 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: in that I played up this character because it benefited me, 442 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: and that's how it was able getty spin offs and 443 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: be iconic and being a house of villains as of today. 444 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: Was it methodical for you entering that space or did 445 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: you unfortunately get on some people call the villain edit, Yeah, 446 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: and you kind of just lean into it. 447 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: It was definitely not methodical, and I certainly didn't lean 448 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: into it because like, as much as like I just said, 449 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: it's not my job to be liked, I want to 450 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: be liked. I'd prefer to be liked. I've never enjoyed 451 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 3: being the villain. And because like, because the way Bachelor 452 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: Nation is, like I always say, like one thing I 453 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 3: learned about that show is like it taught you that 454 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: you're you can feel in love and not be in love. 455 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: It's a manufactured world that manufactures feelings, but the feelings 456 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: I felt in that moment were very real. And with 457 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 3: that being said, it is I think it is emotionally 458 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 3: hard for that universe because, like, from what I understand 459 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 3: about like the different like the say Bravo World, in 460 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: Bachelor World, Bachelor is the most one of the most authentic. 461 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: It is incredibly stage, but it's in no way scripted, 462 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: you know, in my stage, I mean, you know, it's 463 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: a it's a stage atmosphere. Love is blind, you know, pods, 464 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 3: that's a state, that's a controlled atmosphere. You know, so 465 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: like they are. It's a literal science experiment of like 466 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: these are the parameters in which you're falling in love, 467 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: but like the conversations you want to have, like that's up, 468 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: that's up to you. And so if you're in that 469 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 3: environment and you are feeling these intense feelings, it sucks 470 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: to be made the villain for something that feels authentic 471 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: to you and you're leading with your heart and you're 472 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: and you're doing and then have that be portrayed in 473 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: a way that you were like, well that's first of all, 474 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: that's not what happened. Second of all, like it sucks 475 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: to have something that was so emotionally like meaningful to 476 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: you be be you know, critiqued and torn apart rather 477 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 3: than being like, hey, I'm just playing a character and 478 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: like you know, and things like that. But I never 479 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 3: cared enough to have it change me trying to be 480 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: authentic because I just learned early on that like, they're 481 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: gonna do what they want to do, and by day, 482 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 3: I mean the networks, the people in the editing room, 483 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 3: like they are they can you know, I still think 484 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: more people in reality TV are made to look better 485 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: than they are made to look worse, but no one 486 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: acknowledges that, as we talked about on my show the 487 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: other day. But every once in a while, someone gets 488 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 3: a bad beat, someone takes it on the chin. You know, 489 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 3: sometimes you are portraying in a way that feels unfair 490 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: and there's nothing you can do about it, but the 491 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: most thing you can do. And I think and that's 492 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 3: why Bravo, like any reality TV star, if you have 493 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: the benefit of being on multiple seasons, like if it's 494 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: a one off, you know, there's only so much. You know, 495 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: sometimes you take it on the chain and there's not 496 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: much you can do, right, But if you're a housewife. 497 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: If you've been a recurring character like I was for 498 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 3: a period of time on Bachelor, if you can be authentic, 499 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: you know people, you will find your fan base, you 500 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: will find your lane. There will be people who say, 501 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: you know what, I resonate with that person, I fuck 502 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 3: with him or her. And you know, Ashley ian Connetti 503 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 3: for Bachtriination, seems like she's gonna be a new housewife 504 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: from Rhode Island, Okay, But like she is someone who 505 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 3: like her first appearance on Bachelor, she was she had 506 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 3: a big personality and she was goofy and a little eccentric, 507 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: and she was met with because of Batterination, which is 508 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: like they like their very prim and proper polite. You 509 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: know that those are all the fan favorites season one. 510 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: It's just like the unproblematic king or queens who are 511 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 3: just like gentlemen and ladies and whatever. And Ashley was Ashley, 512 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 3: and she got a lot of criticism season one, but 513 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: she kept coming back and she was always the same Ashley, 514 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 3: and so that was like, now I can trust that person, 515 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: you know. And I think when when you see housewives 516 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: be consistent with who they are, you know, we you'll 517 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: it's not about Yeah you have, you'll have your critics. 518 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: But it's like, and so many people, I will say 519 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 3: in batter Nation, and I've said this to a handful 520 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: of alumni, they make the mistake of expecting to be 521 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: universally loved, you know, because a lot of them will 522 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: go on our first season and be the overwhelming fan favorites. 523 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 3: But like, and you can get you can that can 524 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 3: happen in a one off situation. You know, for a 525 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: one season you could be the fan favorite and it's 526 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: hard to find criticism. But people are the people don't 527 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: That gets boring. So when you go back, people are 528 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: gonna be like, all right, what can we hate? You know, 529 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 3: And it's just like and I think some people can 530 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: handle that. And I think that's you know, to go 531 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: on reality TV and expect to be universally loved is 532 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 3: a little arrogant, you know, because because reality TV it's 533 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 3: it's we are. The reason why it's so fun to 534 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: watch is because we're all. It's it's like it's the 535 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: Sex and the City. I'm Miranda, you know kind of thing. 536 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: You're you're finding you're who am I? And who are 537 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 3: the people who I am? 538 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: Not? 539 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: You know, and you want to protect the people you 540 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: connect with, and you want to you know, kind of 541 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 3: criticize the people you don't because sometimes the people you're 542 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: watching on reality, like the people who hate me, you know, 543 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 3: they don't know me, but I guarantee I remind them 544 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 3: of someone they dated or fuck them over, and not 545 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 3: that you know, not that I am that person, but 546 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: they only have to see one moment of from something 547 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: they see on TV or something they heard on my 548 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: show to be like to be triggered, to be activated 549 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: and be like, I don't know why it is about 550 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: his face, but I fuck you. I do not fuck 551 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: with him, you know. And it's not me. It's just 552 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 3: someone that they can that I remind them of, you know. 553 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: And so I've learned to accept that and not try 554 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: to fight it. 555 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, no, I think it's the fact that you embrace 556 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: it all and listen, you're humble to me in the 557 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: sense of and this is coming from a producer who's 558 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: done Housewives since two thousand and eight, so that's like 559 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: going on, you know, more than seventeen years. And when 560 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: former housewives are off the show and they try to 561 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: dibble and dabble in other things, I always say to them, 562 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: but you have to be consistent if you want to 563 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: do something outside of that show. The viol Files is 564 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 2: a humongous fucking hit. Dude, It's a huge podcast. It's no, no, no, 565 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: it's huge. And the reason why I want to give 566 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: you credit for the success of that nick is because 567 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 2: I know so many reality starts with potential, but their 568 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: lack of consistency derails them from ever being seen outside 569 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: of anything than their previous effort. Your consistency of this 570 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: podcast has made it arguably, you know, a top ten 571 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: of podcasts that people love. You are able to get 572 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: all the guests you want. I'm sure no one tells 573 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: you no for real, but talk to me about the 574 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 2: fact that the life after reality television is hard and 575 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: you can fall in terms of being infamous. 576 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 3: But dude, you were. 577 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: Able to really be consistent, and I really want you 578 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: to talk about the fact that it's not like somebody 579 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 2: give you a podcasts and all of a sudden it's 580 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: a hit. Like I was on hit show and he 581 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: has a team. 582 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 3: You have a team. 583 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: This is a real business. This is a real fucking business, 584 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 2: and it's all because you were able to reach your 585 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 2: sales background being one of a loving children. You were 586 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: able to say I got this opportunity. Other things failed, 587 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: but at least I did it. But talk to me 588 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 2: about the consistency. That really afforded you to say, like, dude, 589 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: you have a fucking hit mainstream podcast as a former 590 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: reality star. 591 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 3: Thanks again for the compliment. I always say, like shavings 592 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: make a pile. I learned that in my corporate days, 593 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 3: but I really believe in it. Right. It's like you 594 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: and you always have to play the long game. And 595 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: that's something I think a lot of people in the 596 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: reality TV space don't do or or understand. It's like, 597 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 3: you know, you can't live and die by every success 598 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: or failure. When you're high, you gotta like you gotta 599 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: humble yourself and know it won't last. When you're low, 600 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 3: you also have to like pick yourself up and know 601 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: it won't last, and just again be be consistent. I 602 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: also just like love what I do and I love 603 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: it and I always like, you know, the confidence is 604 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: like I've always liked. When I started the show, there 605 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 3: was always a part of me that was like I 606 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: deserve to be this, you know, like I not that 607 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 3: I deserve, but this show deserves to be talked about 608 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 3: with the biggest shows out there before it ever was. 609 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 3: I just I always acted like it should and I 610 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 3: still act like that. People definitely say no to us 611 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: for various reasons, but like, you know, it's funny when 612 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 3: my publicist is here with us, and if you heard 613 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 3: my manager, I'm always bitching, like I act like this 614 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 3: show as failing every day. Yeah, I asked my wife, 615 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: like it's I am in a constant stay of panic 616 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 3: about how this show is doing. And that's something I 617 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 3: personally have to work on a little bit. But there, 618 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 3: you know, and that is like just like managing my 619 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 3: mental health and having that balance. But and I think 620 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 3: that comes from like being one of eleven, that scarcity mindset, 621 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: you know of like just like you know, and I'll 622 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 3: go away, you know, like and but yeah, and I'm 623 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 3: you know, my I'm always like my wife and I 624 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 3: talk about that a lot, where it's just like we 625 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 3: are very grateful of where we're at in our lives, 626 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 3: but there's a recognition that it's it's not guaranteed in 627 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: the future, and so like we want to keep working hard. 628 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, like listen, I'm lucky enough to 629 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 3: do this for a living and so it's kind of like, well, 630 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 3: let's see what we can build it, you know, And yeah, 631 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 3: and I'm doing things I never imagined I would do, 632 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: you know, And yeah, I don't know. It's just like 633 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,439 Speaker 3: it's it's a lot of fun and and it's it's 634 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: cool to see and like more importantly, like now, it's 635 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: just like at first, I was just trying to you know, 636 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 3: you know, when you first start making money in this space, 637 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 3: it's because I can get social like Instagram or whatever 638 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 3: and things like that. And I was just like in 639 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 3: times of change, but like you know, seven six, seven years, 640 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: eight years ago, I was like this, this is, this 641 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 3: is I'm not this is not going to be available 642 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 3: for me in a while. You know. I didn't realize 643 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 3: the influencer market would take off the way it did. 644 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 3: But either way, I was always focused on assuming that 645 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 3: my ability to make money off of Instagram was going 646 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 3: to go away. And I certainly didn't want to rely 647 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: on having to go in front of the camera as 648 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: a reality TV starter survive. I was, you know, I 649 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 3: didn't want to rely on that. So I was just 650 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 3: always trying to figure out could I make something for 651 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 3: myself in this space? Of entertainment that I could it 652 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 3: could be my own. And so that was step one. 653 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: It was just like I was trying not to have 654 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: to go back to my old job. That was the 655 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 3: only goal, Like build something that's sustainable so that you 656 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 3: don't have to call up some people and be like, hey, man, 657 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 3: like can I come back? You know? And and then 658 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 3: once I accomplished that goal, it was more like, well, 659 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 3: how big can it go? And now now I get 660 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 3: to take care of my family and you know, and 661 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: my parents and do some amazing things that I never 662 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 3: would have imagined doing. And and now I've had. I 663 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 3: have everything I possibly want, and now I'm just trying 664 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 3: to maintain. 665 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: Who's the one guess you want on your show, your 666 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 2: dream guest? 667 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 3: Well, if I say in reality, there's reality TV and 668 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 3: there's non reality. Okay, So I've always said Lana del 669 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 3: Rey in terms of I know she's a big fan 670 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 3: of reality TV. If I her to be incredibly fascinating, 671 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 3: I love her music, Harry Styles would I would be 672 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 3: a big fan. I've always been a big fan of 673 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds, and I've met him a few times, and 674 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 3: I hope to have him on in the reality space. 675 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 3: I really want I really honestly want Heather bro No, 676 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: I've had Heather out de bro On, so I would 677 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 3: have loved Heather Solake. Yeah. Oh only because well, when 678 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 3: I Heather was supposed to come on, what happened. Heather's afraid. 679 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 3: I Also, I think Heather's mad at me because I've 680 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 3: had Monicon. They're they're fickle over there. When I first 681 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 3: met Heather. When I first met Heather, it was at 682 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 3: the time it was at the Variety like forty most 683 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 3: powerful women in in in really TV and I I 684 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 3: hadn't watched it like yet, and Heather approaches me and 685 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 3: she's like, Nick, I need come on your show. I 686 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 3: was like, great, my wife's like that it's fucking and 687 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, you know. And then I quickly was 688 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 3: like oh I quickly and then and that's when I 689 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: started watching quickly immediately became a fan of Salt, like 690 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 3: it's so good. And then Heather kind of chickened out. 691 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, I've learned how like you 692 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 3: know when yeah, uh is she chickened out? Whatever I 693 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 3: want to say it, I think she checked out. They 694 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 3: do yeah, And and and since then she's been kind 695 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 3: of just punting. And then we've had Monica on a 696 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: couple of times, and listen, I don't know what's going 697 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 3: on with that. I've met Monica. You know, I'm not 698 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 3: saying she's my ride and or die of any means, 699 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: and I'm not telling her my deepest, darkest secrets. But like, 700 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 3: I don't think she seems alright to me. Ye, she's 701 00:39:55,080 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 3: been pretty real and authentic, and I mean compared to 702 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 3: I don't anyway, so, but I think there's a lot 703 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: of sensitivity there. But I think I'm a huge fan 704 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 3: of Heather as a housewife, and I think her I 705 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 3: don't think she realizes her own potential, and I think 706 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 3: she's probably one of the smartest of that group. And 707 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 3: maybe this is all part of her calculation, But I 708 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: think whenever she's ready to step up and be Queen Bee, 709 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 3: she could be, you know, but right now she is 710 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 3: She's just still willing to follow Lisa Barlow or Jenshaw 711 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 3: even though Jen's in prison. And I think when Gina 712 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 3: uh was like is it last season, talked about Heather 713 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 3: was always like the girl in high school who wanted 714 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,799 Speaker 3: to be friends with like the popular girls. Like I 715 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 3: was like, Oh my god, that makes so much sense. 716 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 3: And I just think, you know, like he there's a 717 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 3: really strong woman, and I find her to just I 718 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 3: think she's funny and I think she's got a lot there. 719 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 3: But I would love to have a conversation with her 720 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 3: about her, like her, how she moves and and why 721 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 3: she moves the way she does. So I think that 722 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 3: would be a really fascinating conversation. So I hope, Heather, 723 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,359 Speaker 3: if you're out there, I mean she's I've I've I've 724 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 3: sent her a handful of texts. 725 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: Does she respond to them? 726 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 3: She sometimes does, you know, sometimes she says she's not 727 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 3: doing any press right now. Nick, you are so likable. 728 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 2: I don't understand why people don't like you. You give 729 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 2: me Ryan Reynolds, by the way, it's no surprise that 730 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 2: you want him. You're like Ryan Reynolds esque to me. 731 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 3: I would refer to as the Walmart Ryan Reynolds on 732 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 3: my Bachelor season, which, honestly, I'll take it's. 733 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: I. 734 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 3: I told him that when I first met him, and 735 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 3: he reminded me that Walmart is an American brand with 736 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 3: some great deals. I love it. 737 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of great deals, listen, dude, you made a 738 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 2: deal with God. When you met your wife Natalie. I 739 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 2: was able to meet her when I was on your podcast, 740 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: and she is so sweet, so beautiful. I love the 741 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 2: fact that she slid in your d MS, which I'm like, 742 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 2: score for you. But I want to ask you this 743 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,759 Speaker 2: because listen, I'm sure she wasn't the first to do that. 744 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 2: When that happened, where you sort of like like, what 745 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 2: made you respond to it? 746 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 3: Well, may respond to it? I mean I mean that listens. 747 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 3: Instagram's a visual platform. You know, you know what I mean. 748 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 3: But once once we met in person, wait, wait, wait, 749 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 3: do you remember what she said to you? Yeah, she 750 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 3: said you're unreal. 751 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the lifetime spoop of the Bachelor's show unreal. 752 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 3: No, I don't think. I don't. I don't know. I 753 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 3: don't think it was a pun, but you know it 754 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 3: could have been. And you said, I don't, I don't 755 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 3: remember specifically. I went and found a picture of her 756 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 3: that she posted and replied to that with like a 757 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 3: question of some kind. She was like walking on the beach, 758 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 3: obviously in a bathing suit, and it was like, you know, 759 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 3: like the short it's something about walking on water, and 760 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 3: I like, are you Jesus or something or something stupid. 761 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 3: It you know, when you're in the moment, it sounds charming, 762 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 3: but yeah, I'm listen, I'm I'm you know, I'm lucky 763 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 3: in so many ways to have now as my partner. 764 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 3: And I say partner not to be politically correct, but 765 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 3: I say it because she's truly my partner. And that's 766 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 3: something I definitely learned from my parents as as like 767 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 3: they've always operated as a team even when raising their kids. 768 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 3: Like for us, they were a united front, and we 769 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 3: we were very much a team, whether it's parenting our daughter, 770 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 3: holding each other accountable in our relationship. You know, I 771 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 3: mean it sounds corny, but like she is. We spend 772 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 3: all our time together. She's my best friend in that 773 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 3: sense of like she's the person I run ideas by, 774 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 3: you know, and she has she's got, I think, an 775 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 3: incredible taste and a keen eye. And then also like 776 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 3: she's one of the she's incredibly funny, and I think, 777 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 3: you know when we you know, this show was three 778 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 3: or some years in existence when I met her, and 779 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 3: she was a surgical tech had she had her own thing, 780 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 3: and at the time when I met her, I very 781 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 3: much like loved that she had her own thing, and 782 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 3: she was passionate about her own thing. And then like, 783 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 3: you know, when we like went public and you know, 784 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,439 Speaker 3: she you know, it was like eventually when you're gonna 785 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 3: have a girlfriend on the show, and then you know, 786 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: it's like, you know, I took a while. We took 787 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 3: a while, and it happened, and then I was like, 788 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 3: she's funny. You know, she's like she was kind of 789 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 3: a natural. And then it wasn't. I don't remember like 790 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 3: being like a I don't remember like having like a 791 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 3: very specific thought about like or a pitch, but it 792 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 3: kind of happened organically, and I was like, yeah, you know, 793 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,480 Speaker 3: like I've always been a male host with an audience 794 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 3: of women. We've always had women voices on this show. 795 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 3: Most of our guests are predominantly women. But I was like, she, 796 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 3: you know, I always felt like she was like I 797 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 3: think I when I as more she came on, I 798 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 3: felt like, you know, you really you're kind of the 799 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 3: missing piece of this show in a sense. And we 800 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 3: started doing the going deeper episodes, and again, I think 801 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 3: I've put a lot of effort as an interviewer and 802 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 3: as a host understanding who my audiences understanding that as 803 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 3: a straight white male, I have to be self aware 804 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 3: about the topics we cover and the questions I ask 805 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 3: and things like that. And I I think I do 806 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 3: a good job of handling those topics and having the 807 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 3: appropriate amount of empathy. But having my wife by my 808 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 3: side as a woman who has her own lived experiences 809 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 3: and in adversity she's had to overcome. Yeah, I mean 810 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 3: it rounds out, you know, some of those conversations in 811 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 3: the best possible way. And again, I think she's hilarious 812 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 3: and she's a lot of fun and and yeah, to me, 813 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,720 Speaker 3: I I always say like she's the star of of 814 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 3: of the show. She's the star of our relationship. I 815 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 3: work really hard and I know enough to be dangerous, 816 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 3: but like she is effortless in her talents and she's 817 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 3: she's like she's a great partner both in life and 818 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 3: on the show. Know I mean, there're a Kleenex. 819 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,240 Speaker 2: So that was so kind. 820 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 3: Oh it's all true. 821 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean, it's the it's the fact that 822 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 2: you're able to emote in that way because you know, 823 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 2: it's it's it's nice to hear a husband speak of 824 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: his wife in that way. So I find that to be. 825 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,399 Speaker 3: I think it's well, thank you, and uh, I think 826 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 3: it's really important. As someone who like talks about relationships, 827 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,359 Speaker 3: I think it's really important for couples to protect their 828 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 3: relationship to I mean, I I'll have blown out like now, 829 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 3: and I will be out with other people and couples 830 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 3: where it's like the way they will bicker in front 831 00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 3: of us or other people, you know, like I always 832 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 3: you know, we now like that we work hard on 833 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 3: our relationship and like every relationship, you know, like we 834 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 3: work through issues and we work through things. But we 835 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 3: very much when I'm great, like, we protect our relationship, 836 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,040 Speaker 3: you know, and so we you know, we do couples therapy, 837 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960 Speaker 3: we work through you know. And so I think it's important, 838 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 3: especially for men to speak kindly publicly about their partners 839 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 3: and advocate for their partners. And again, nothing I'm saying 840 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 3: is nothing I don't believe about my wife. But I 841 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 3: think it's very you know, it's just like you just 842 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 3: see so many couples out there, like you know, you're like, 843 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 3: oh my god, Chad. Yeah, it's just you see it 844 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 3: in some of the BRAVA celebrities where it's just the 845 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 3: way they throw their partners under the bus. It's like, 846 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 3: oh my god, like like you know, it's just like, hey, 847 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,080 Speaker 3: you're willing to take the bullet for me today. You know, 848 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 3: it's like, oh my god. You know, but yeah, and 849 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 3: you know, I think you know, and you know, for 850 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 3: all the it's the couples I think in reality TV 851 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 3: who have been able to work. You know, I think 852 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 3: probably the common threat is they've prioritized their relationships over 853 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 3: their brand with their audience and play the long game 854 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 3: and haven't sold anyone out for their own personal benefit. 855 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 2: No, and I love that. I mean, listen, you two 856 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 2: are now holes of eight Netflix dating series launching in 857 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,359 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, Age of Attraction, which is such a 858 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,439 Speaker 2: great vehicle for the two of you because you guys 859 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 2: have an eighteen year age gap. So what better holes 860 00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,880 Speaker 2: to really showcase that age is nothing but a number 861 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 2: when it comes to fighting love. I want to talk 862 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,320 Speaker 2: about before I let you go, just about that show 863 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 2: and how it sort of relates to your relationship because 864 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 2: there was an eighteen year age people thinks like, all, 865 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:57,720 Speaker 2: that's so interesting. 866 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 3: It's a show that focuses on age less dating, and 867 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 3: I think the word age gap has over the you 868 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 3: know kind of has this like negative connotation. I'm really 869 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 3: excited for people to see it. We've heard you know, 870 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 3: obviously we're there for filming it, but you don't know 871 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 3: what you film and how it gets packaged. We've seen 872 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 3: a little bit of it, and the feedback has been 873 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 3: really exciting, and I think there's a lot of people 874 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,280 Speaker 3: involved in this project are very excited for its potential. 875 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 3: But you know, well, I guess we'll see. I think, 876 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 3: more importantly, I think it's meant to be aspirational and 877 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 3: inspirational because we now live in a time where I 878 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,160 Speaker 3: think we've never been more lonely, you know, and all 879 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 3: the single people out there, if you're listening, you're all 880 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 3: nodding your heads about how difficult dating is. It is. 881 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 3: Everyone feels like there's no good options out there. Obviously, 882 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 3: dating apps have stopped really being our friends in terms 883 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 3: of actually caring about us matching with people. And and 884 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 3: I think this is a this is a show that's 885 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,240 Speaker 3: going to focus on compatibility, uh, and showing that there 886 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:10,320 Speaker 3: are if you are willing to open up your mind, Uh, 887 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 3: there are people you can be incredibly compatible with that 888 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 3: you might not initially think of, you know, off the 889 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 3: bat and then obviously, you know, age plays a role 890 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 3: in that. And so it's a show that's going to 891 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 3: focus on love and and connections and and it's gonna 892 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 3: hopefully inspire people who are struggling finding those connections that 893 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 3: there are people out there. And whether it's age or 894 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 3: we have so many self limiting beliefs when it comes 895 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 3: to dating, or we we decide who our types are, 896 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,399 Speaker 3: or we have these superficial lists in our head of 897 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,319 Speaker 3: what they need to be. And that's often perpetuated by 898 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 3: like dating apps, right, because like it's like you know six', 899 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 3: two you know, finance you, know things like. That but 900 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,359 Speaker 3: it's it's compatible ability THAT i think what's what makes 901 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,799 Speaker 3: people really fall in love and stand the test of. 902 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 3: Time you, know my wife AND i we have an 903 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 3: age difference in our, relationship but without, question easily she's 904 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 3: the Person i've been most compatible. With she's the person 905 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 3: that is the first Relationship i've ever had where we didn't. 906 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,839 Speaker 3: Compete we actually we were each other's. Cheerleaders we, Love 907 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,399 Speaker 3: we spend all our time. Together we like a lot 908 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 3: of the SAME tv shows and. Movies we like a 909 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 3: lot of the same. Foods you, know everything is not 910 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 3: a negotiation with. Us i've been in relationships where you think, like, 911 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 3: well love will conquer all and every day is LIKE 912 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,719 Speaker 3: i don't want to eat, that and she's, like why 913 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 3: DON'T i eat? That you, know and you're like every you, 914 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 3: know and like, that that just gets. Exhausting like relationships 915 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 3: are hard, enough and so like finding people that you 916 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 3: are compatible, with that you have the same similar, interests 917 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 3: that you share the same. Things you, know we might 918 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 3: have an age difference in our, relationship BUT i quickly 919 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,240 Speaker 3: learned that WHEN i Met, noally she she was excited 920 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 3: about like having a, family and AND i was, like, oh, 921 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 3: well so AM, i you, know and and and that worked, 922 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,719 Speaker 3: out you, know and and so you, know she she 923 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 3: had a very different child THAN i, had and but you, 924 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 3: know in a childhood that like she she was doing 925 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 3: a lot of the same things in her late teens 926 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,880 Speaker 3: and early twenties THAT i was doing in my you, 927 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 3: know early, thirties you. Know and so at the time 928 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 3: when we, met we were both ready to enter a 929 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,279 Speaker 3: stage of life that was. Compatible AND i think it's 930 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 3: this is a show that was going to focus on 931 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,879 Speaker 3: looking for the people you're most compatible with and not 932 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 3: getting bogged down by you, know what society might think 933 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,279 Speaker 3: or what your friends might. Think but if you truly 934 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 3: can find someone that you enjoy spending time, with that 935 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 3: makes you feel, good, uh and that you you, know 936 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 3: fall in love, with AND i think there's a lot 937 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 3: of hope AND i AND i AND i AND i 938 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 3: think that's What age Of attraction is going to bring. 939 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 3: People so what's next to? 940 00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 2: YOU i feel like you've done a lot Of it's, 941 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 2: like what's next For? 942 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 3: NICK i just want to enjoy WHAT i? Have you, know, 943 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,320 Speaker 3: OBVIOUSLY i MEAN i will always try to grow envy 944 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,840 Speaker 3: media in The Viole, files for. SURE i am trying 945 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 3: to enjoy WHAT i. Have objectively, Speaking i've surpassed all 946 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 3: my wildest, dreams both professionally and. Personally we certainly hope 947 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 3: to grow our. Family so a lot of just more 948 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 3: of WHAT i, have but also but also working out 949 00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:37,840 Speaker 3: enjoying it because that's A i'm not good at. That. Yeah, Good, 950 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 3: well look where can people feel? 951 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,719 Speaker 2: Like everyone knows where to find? You but where can 952 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,360 Speaker 2: people find? 953 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,040 Speaker 1: You support? 954 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 2: You the podcast? 955 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,040 Speaker 3: YOU i know you have many REALITY tv fans who 956 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,360 Speaker 3: passionately listen to your. Show so, yeah if you haven't 957 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,560 Speaker 3: if you're not already subscribed to The Vole files or 958 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,960 Speaker 3: we haven't checked us, out do. 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