Speaker 1: Hey, Romsey, Yes, So what are some of the sillier
Speaker 1: animals he might have on his farm? I don't know
Speaker 1: from like ducks on the land often zeros. Let me
Speaker 1: see giraffes. What sound is a giraffe? Mick m It's
Speaker 1: clear you've never seen. Oh you aren't either. Are you
Speaker 1: going to send the original version of all McDonald for me? Yeah? What? Two?
Speaker 1: What to three for? Oh? My Donald turned off phone
Speaker 1: e E A O. And with that farm he had
Speaker 1: a chicken he a a you with a cluck cluck
Speaker 1: here and a cluck cluck. They've here a cluck, their
Speaker 1: cluck every cluck cluck. Old McDonald had a weird farm.
Speaker 1: My mom was a preschool teacher, so I've heard a
Speaker 1: lot of Old McDonald in my lifetime, and like many
Speaker 1: of you, I know all about the ducks over here
Speaker 1: and the cows over there, and how his animals are
Speaker 1: you know, everywhere. But recently I wanted to know more
Speaker 1: about this farmer and his growing practices. I mean, the
Speaker 1: song says he's old, so he's probably got plenty to
Speaker 1: teach us, right, But despite that, there's not much history
Speaker 1: about the original Mickey d or his farming practices on
Speaker 1: the Internet. And while Old McDonald hasn't changed much over
Speaker 1: the years, the population and growing practices of farmers has.
Speaker 1: In fact, over the last decade, we've seen a trend
Speaker 1: of young millennials ditching their city lives for a simpler,
Speaker 1: more sustainable way of living on small farms of their own.
Speaker 1: According to US Census data, this trend of millennials abandoning
Speaker 1: their desk jobs for working the fields began in two
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, when we saw the number of Gen X
Speaker 1: and Baby Boomer farmers starting to decline and the number
Speaker 1: of farmers from age twenty five to thirty four increased
Speaker 1: by two and millennials are bringing new ideas and approaches
Speaker 1: to growing with them, while focusing on sustainable agriculture, the
Speaker 1: stuff that gives back to the earth rather than depleting it.
Speaker 1: This is so important because traditional agriculture produces a significant
Speaker 1: amount of methane and nitrous oxide. In fact, according to
Speaker 1: the e p A, agriculture and forestry contributed to more
Speaker 1: than ten percent of greenhouse gas emissions in two thousand eighteen.
Speaker 1: What's also troubling is the fact that over farming and
Speaker 1: tilling contribute to land degradation. And desertification. But with this
Speaker 1: new generation of farmers integrating practices like regenerative farming, which
Speaker 1: sustains biodiversity and restores nutrients in the soil, I feel
Speaker 1: hopeful that these little green farms can make really big
Speaker 1: and positive changes to our environment. So let's dig in.
Speaker 1: Hey there, I'm Mongis Articular, co host of Part Time Genius,
Speaker 1: one of the founders of Mental Flaws, and this is
Speaker 1: Humans Growing Stuff, a collaboration from My Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: your Friends and Miracle Grow. Our goal is to make
Speaker 1: this the most human show about plants you'll ever listen to.
Speaker 1: Along the way, we'll share inspiring stories, tips and tricks
Speaker 1: to nurture your plan addiction, and just enough science to
Speaker 1: make you sound like an expert. On this episode, we're
Speaker 1: taking a farming approach to the backyard, and specifically regenerative farming.
Speaker 1: We'll dive into the latest sustainable farming techniques and learn
Speaker 1: how to apply them to our own gardens to make
Speaker 1: our yards a little greener with the Greater Good Mind.
Speaker 1: Chapter twelve gardens our tiniest Farms. For most of my
Speaker 1: interviews on this show, I start by asking our guess
Speaker 1: how they got into gardening. Or plant care. It doesn't
Speaker 1: always make it into the final cut, but I always
Speaker 1: love hearing our guests answer this question. Sometimes it's because
Speaker 1: they watched their parents or grandparents garden. Sometimes it's because
Speaker 1: they threw some popcorn seeds into the ground and we're
Speaker 1: surprised something grew from them and just found wondering at all.
Speaker 1: But one of the most common answers I've heard is
Speaker 1: this pull to nature. That they discovered the stronger connection
Speaker 1: to the earth when they got their hands dirty and
Speaker 1: started growing things, and they just had to keep exploring it.
Speaker 1: But when I heard about the growing number of millennials
Speaker 1: starting small farms, I immediately wanted to learn more about
Speaker 1: who they are and what their motivations for growing seem
Speaker 1: to be. According to the National Young Farmer Coalition, this
Speaker 1: group of young farmers is more diverse than ever, college educated,
Speaker 1: optimistic about the future of farming, and dedicated to more
Speaker 1: sustainable agriculture like regenerative farming. From the articles I've read
Speaker 1: and documentaries I've watched, their motivations aren't so different from
Speaker 1: the friends we've talked to here on the podcast from
Speaker 1: Millennial Farmers. It's about creating a deeper connection to the earth,
Speaker 1: but it's also about changing agriculture for the better in
Speaker 1: a way that gives back. I wanted to learn more
Speaker 1: about life on a small farm and regenerative farming, so
Speaker 1: I called up Hannah Gongola. Within a week of graduating college,
Speaker 1: Hannah became one of the many millennials who decided to
Speaker 1: side step of career in corporate America and buy a farm.
Speaker 1: Since then, she's dedicated her work to reconnecting people with
Speaker 1: their food and using these farming strategies to grow the
Speaker 1: most densely nutritious foods she can. Hey, Hannah, are you there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh great, Well, it is so wonderful to have you
Speaker 1: on our podcast. The work you're doing is so inspiring.
Speaker 1: So so tell me. You get on this farm in
Speaker 1: college and you haven't done this even work before. Was
Speaker 1: it surprising to you? Where were there things that you did?
Speaker 1: You have this romantic vision of farming and then and
Speaker 1: then suddenly you have to work a different way. So
Speaker 1: I grew up in a small town in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm surrounded by you know, mountains and
Speaker 1: wildlife all the time. But I grew up in the
Speaker 1: center of a small town, so we had, you know,
Speaker 1: we could walk everywhere, but I didn't grow up knowing
Speaker 1: how to use any kind of like tools, like like
Speaker 1: a lawnmower. So first day they were going through all
Speaker 1: the tools we would be using, like string trimmers, lawnmowers,
Speaker 1: just like basic things. And they were going through this
Speaker 1: this weed eater and they were like, yeah, so you
Speaker 1: just like started just like a mower. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: everyone good, and then they're like yeah, yeah, And then
Speaker 1: I raised my hand. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to run a lawnmower. You clearly fell in love
Speaker 1: with farming, Like what what about that experience did you
Speaker 1: really enjoy? There's something about going out in a field
Speaker 1: just in the morning and it being so quiet and
Speaker 1: you can just hear birds chirping. It's not hot, it's
Speaker 1: not cold. It's just pleasant. And you go and you
Speaker 1: just harvest a bunch of squash, or you just go
Speaker 1: sit and you just handweed, or you know, whatever it
Speaker 1: is you're doing, if it's fixing, irrigation or something you
Speaker 1: don't really enjoy doing, and it's just kind of like
Speaker 1: the solitude of being out in the space alone. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's spiritual almost. Yeah, it sounds really beautiful. I
Speaker 1: think what's so remarkable about you is that you're a
Speaker 1: first generation farmer. Was that at all daunting? Like like,
Speaker 1: what what do your parents think of this? Um? So,
Speaker 1: I like to say I'm a first generation farmer by choice.
Speaker 1: Someone someone wasn't like threatening me saying like you have
Speaker 1: to go into agriculture because I mean people don't choose
Speaker 1: agriculture to like make money. That's definitely not something you do.
Speaker 1: My parents are just kind of I guess, on board
Speaker 1: with anything if I'm like this is what I'm or
Speaker 1: if I'm changing a little bit of a direction, or
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm starting this new product. There like okay,
Speaker 1: is it proud of me? They're proud of me? Of
Speaker 1: course yeah. And I mean it's gorgeous, right, like the
Speaker 1: property you have, your your Instagram, the work you do
Speaker 1: is is really really cool. But I am curious, like
Speaker 1: what was the learning curve like for you to to
Speaker 1: be a farmer, because it feels like you're you're doing
Speaker 1: this on your own? Do you do you have friends?
Speaker 1: You have resources? How how do you pick up things
Speaker 1: along the way? I learned every single day. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say that I've learned, Like there's there's
Speaker 1: no completion of learning something, especially in this in this field.
Speaker 1: Every season you learn, you know, a new trick to
Speaker 1: something else. I learned about raising animals and little tweaks
Speaker 1: to make them healthier or stronger. But I have a
Speaker 1: great community of women behind me. So there I want
Speaker 1: to say, I have a group of twelve women that
Speaker 1: I have We have kind of a message board. For example,
Speaker 1: the other day one of my calves um had pink
Speaker 1: I and I've never dealt with that, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, guys, like, I need your help. What do
Speaker 1: I do? Immediately everyone chimed in and like sent me
Speaker 1: what product to get there? Like you could do this,
Speaker 1: Like you could do an herbal remedy like this, that
Speaker 1: and the other thing. And so I don't know what
Speaker 1: I would do without them. And they're the kindest people
Speaker 1: I've ever met. They're the strongest women I've ever met.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. And and so tell us about regenerative farming
Speaker 1: and and why you've chosen to pursue those practices on
Speaker 1: your farm. There are a lot of reasons behind the
Speaker 1: kind of regenerative movement. One is soil erosion, building healthy soil,
Speaker 1: and I think that is a major one for me,
Speaker 1: so natural natural sunlight, being in the ground. I'm grown
Speaker 1: in soil because you get so many nutrients, most of
Speaker 1: them from the soil. And so if it's if it's
Speaker 1: not grown on soil, what's what's the point. And so
Speaker 1: the first step is to make sure you have healthy soil,
Speaker 1: and most places don't. Through you know, conventional agriculture, tilling
Speaker 1: is is huge, and so and so digging um which
Speaker 1: destroys soil and the soil health and the microbes in
Speaker 1: the soil and pretty much all the nutrients and everything
Speaker 1: that that creates a healthy system. And so through permaculture
Speaker 1: practices and and no till, no dig, I hope to
Speaker 1: someday produce the most nutrient dense food that you can
Speaker 1: get in this area. That's really cool. And and and
Speaker 1: so explain what um prima culture is for for a second,
Speaker 1: Perma culture is permanent culture. So trees, shrubs, anything that's
Speaker 1: gonna continue to come back or never leave year after year,
Speaker 1: corn and wheat they're absolutely not prima culture. And most
Speaker 1: most cash crops aren't because you dig them up when
Speaker 1: they're done and then usually the way they're disposed of
Speaker 1: is there may be made into feed, and then that
Speaker 1: that kind of leads into a whole another realm of
Speaker 1: things that people disagree with, but they should be you know,
Speaker 1: left on the ground for for composting or you know,
Speaker 1: green manure just a way to give the soil a
Speaker 1: little break um and have a natural pasture um which
Speaker 1: then you can graze, of course, but but it needs
Speaker 1: it needs time to heal, and it doesn't get that time.
Speaker 1: And so so what is the um this process of
Speaker 1: regenerating the soil, like like like what what exactly um
Speaker 1: does that mean for for our listeners. So the way
Speaker 1: I'm doing it, there are several several, probably tons of
Speaker 1: different approaches to it. The way I'm doing it is
Speaker 1: I'm cover cropping. Cover cropping is essentially planting or in
Speaker 1: this case, scattering different varieties of seeds that have deep
Speaker 1: root systems. They'll bring up essential nutrients to the top.
Speaker 1: And so I'll cover crop the entire pasture and then
Speaker 1: I'll graze it. And then I'll plant tons of trees
Speaker 1: and so I'll harvest and then what I'll do is
Speaker 1: I'll chop them down and let them totally compost on
Speaker 1: the ground, um, rather than dig them up and uproot
Speaker 1: their their healthy soil. That's really cool. So one of
Speaker 1: the things we were wondering about is like climate change
Speaker 1: feels so overwhelming and kind of hopeless, and you know,
Speaker 1: it must feel good to be a part of that
Speaker 1: positive change that you see, Like do you feel that,
Speaker 1: like in in the processes and things that you're doing
Speaker 1: on your farm? So I I don't yet. So sometimes
Speaker 1: people people ask me, they're like they're like, wow, like
Speaker 1: what you're doing is is awesome, Like this is so cool,
Speaker 1: And it doesn't feel like I've accomplished anything yet anyway,
Speaker 1: And so I feel like the only way I can
Speaker 1: can make any kind of change is just by doing
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm doing. And when my little my little
Speaker 1: farm make any difference in the climate, like maybe a small,
Speaker 1: tiny minute percentage, but hopefully its more encourages and and
Speaker 1: kind of educates and in a way that's different than
Speaker 1: than what we see in in kind of like mainstream agriculture. Um.
Speaker 1: I saw it that you have an Etsy shop, and
Speaker 1: I love the Coffee than Cows t shirt, which I'm
Speaker 1: really tempted by. Though I'm nervous because I feel like
Speaker 1: I might have to get cows next. But I'm curious.
Speaker 1: You know, you have so many sweet videos of all
Speaker 1: your animals. What do they bring to your farm? For you?
Speaker 1: It's just when you look out at the field and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, that's a that's a nice that's a
Speaker 1: nice pasture. You know, the grass is green. You might
Speaker 1: see a bird or a bee, you know, fly away,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, it's not a stagnant piece of
Speaker 1: land anymore slant, just green grass. It's like there's life
Speaker 1: seeing them graze and seeing them as happy cows and
Speaker 1: happy chickens, and you know those are those are my animals,
Speaker 1: and they're happy and and they're just grazing on on
Speaker 1: my land. And I mean it's joyous. Oh man. I
Speaker 1: just I sit outside and I just in the morning
Speaker 1: sometimes and drink coffee, and I watched them just just
Speaker 1: lay lay down. That is a good feeling. That's a
Speaker 1: very good feeling. So do you see regenerative farming and
Speaker 1: eco conscious practices as the future of agriculture and and
Speaker 1: does that give you a sense of hope? Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think the way farms are so mostly conventional farms
Speaker 1: even beef farming, it all gets a bad rep and
Speaker 1: it's because the management of it and in the practices.
Speaker 1: So when beef is poorly grazed, that affects the climate.
Speaker 1: Beef and cattle, they're they're not bad that they're just
Speaker 1: not supporting the climate that we need. And I think
Speaker 1: if we get those practices under control, people can still,
Speaker 1: you know, continue to to eat beef the way they want,
Speaker 1: and they could actually be a positive change for climate change. Overall,
Speaker 1: it will create healthier soil, it'll create healthier food, and
Speaker 1: it will create healthier people. Um. And so it's it's
Speaker 1: all one system. Everything affects everything, So I think it
Speaker 1: should be treated as such. And I hope other people
Speaker 1: see it like that too. Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: with greater awareness there'll be more appreciation for it. Right
Speaker 1: do you think do you think you have to be
Speaker 1: an optimist to be a farmer. That's a very good question.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I never met my fellow farmer friends
Speaker 1: before they were farmers. I don't know what their upbringing
Speaker 1: was like. I don't know them pre farm Before I
Speaker 1: was I would say that I was an optimist. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it helped for sure, because you
Speaker 1: can see the light at the end even when it's
Speaker 1: really dark. I don't know, that's a that's a great question.
Speaker 1: What do you think I think I think you do.
Speaker 1: I think you need to believe that your patients will
Speaker 1: bear out. And and I think you have to believe
Speaker 1: in the earth and and the seeds you're planning and
Speaker 1: and expect that things at the end of the day
Speaker 1: will will go right. Even if they go hey, why
Speaker 1: a little bit, You're still going to have a bounty,
Speaker 1: you know, if not this year, next year, And and
Speaker 1: I think it is an optimistic practice. I think you're right. Well, Hannah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on the program and
Speaker 1: talking about your farm. It's it's really inspirational and and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to order one of these T shirts.
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely get one of those T shirts. Humans growing
Speaker 1: stuff will be right back after a short break. So
Speaker 1: here's a little tangent. When I was a freshman in
Speaker 1: high school, I made the Quiz Bowl team, and I
Speaker 1: was so excited because I got to go on TV.
Speaker 1: And when I did, the questions were so hard. There
Speaker 1: was a spotlight and cameras. I mean, I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be good at trivia, and you know, the host
Speaker 1: kept asking things and I didn't know one of them.
Speaker 1: And finally he asked this question, what national student club
Speaker 1: goes by the initials f F A. And in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this is my shot. Right, here's what I
Speaker 1: actually know, the future farmers of America. After a whole
Speaker 1: night under the spotlight and not knowing answers to things,
Speaker 1: I was gearing up to confidently press the buzzer. But
Speaker 1: did I buzz in in time? No, I was so nervous.
Speaker 1: I didn't buzz in and I didn't answer one question
Speaker 1: the whole night, and it was a total disaster. But
Speaker 1: this week I was reading about farmers and I stumbled
Speaker 1: into some facts about the future Farmers of America and
Speaker 1: it made me smile wide. In Delaware, where I grew up,
Speaker 1: it's actually a pretty active club in the southern part
Speaker 1: of the state, and in their efforts to promote sustainable practices,
Speaker 1: they host an environmental and natural resources career development event
Speaker 1: every year, and using demonstrations on water testing, soil and
Speaker 1: environmental analysis, they're actually teaching the next generation of farmers
Speaker 1: how to better grow while caring for the earth, which
Speaker 1: I realized is exactly what Hannah's doing too. After my
Speaker 1: call with Hannah, I felt so inspired that I decided
Speaker 1: to call up another farmed garden expert, Jamie Brennan, to
Speaker 1: hear how to take these ideas and implement them into
Speaker 1: our own backyards. Jamie runs Gold Feather Gardens, which is Boise,
Speaker 1: Idaho's first kitchen garden, coaching and consulting business, and when
Speaker 1: the pandemic began, Jamie traded in her full time job
Speaker 1: as a travel writer and poured herself into gardening. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't long until Jamie found herself learning from farmers
Speaker 1: and then sharing what she learned with her clients who
Speaker 1: wanted to create their own kitchen gardens. Just like Jamie's
Speaker 1: goals are strongly rooted in connecting people to their own
Speaker 1: food source and by doing so, deepening their connections to
Speaker 1: the earth. Hey, Jamie, are you there? Hey man Gosh,
Speaker 1: I am here. Well, I'm excited to chat with you
Speaker 1: because I learned all about Gold Feather Gardens, and I
Speaker 1: think your service is so wonderful because you're just there
Speaker 1: to help at any stage. I am curious what is
Speaker 1: the difference between a sort of typical garden and a
Speaker 1: sustainable one, especially for someone who's growing in their own home.
Speaker 1: For me, a sustainable garden is all about the plants
Speaker 1: and seeds that you put in your garden. When you
Speaker 1: really start to look into who's growing plants for your
Speaker 1: environment or who's growing seed especially, you untapped this whole
Speaker 1: potential for your garden in terms of you know, not
Speaker 1: only it's genetic diversity, but also it's ability to adapt
Speaker 1: to the environment that you're in. We're really ucky we
Speaker 1: have this wonderful seed co op invoice you called Snake
Speaker 1: River Seed that's just globally known for the wonderful work
Speaker 1: that they're doing to bring back heirloom varieties to support
Speaker 1: local farmers growing seeds. You'd be surprised how many local
Speaker 1: farms don't just sell at the farmer's market. They grow
Speaker 1: food for seed, which is a huge income for them.
Speaker 1: That's a lot more sustainable than you know, selling at
Speaker 1: the farmer's market, which can depend on the weather. That's fascinating. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: seeds hold this incredible memory of where they're grown, and
Speaker 1: so if you start saving those seeds, they become adapted
Speaker 1: to the environment and as our climate changes as we
Speaker 1: have hotter summers, things like that those seeds are just
Speaker 1: going to do better in your garden because they remember
Speaker 1: that growing season, um, and how they were able to
Speaker 1: survive it. That's incredible. It's like genetics or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So, so tell me what are some of
Speaker 1: the most challenging things about making that shift to these
Speaker 1: organic practices and is it hard for someone to sort
Speaker 1: of like change their mindset about these things. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: would say the biggest challenge is probably convenience. Um. I
Speaker 1: find that for most of my clients they have been
Speaker 1: sourcing where they're sourcing just out of convenience, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it is just lack
Speaker 1: of knowledge. And so for me, I think growing your
Speaker 1: own food is something that's like super personal. All it
Speaker 1: takes is like a pot of soil and a seed.
Speaker 1: It can start super small, and so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just teach people how to do that, and then
Speaker 1: as they grow, they will get more and more invested
Speaker 1: in that local food community because that's how I started.
Speaker 1: It's a slippery slope in my opinion. Once you see
Speaker 1: how hard it is to grow good spinach or grow
Speaker 1: a tomato, Um, it's one of those things you just
Speaker 1: have more appreciation for the people who put that food
Speaker 1: on your plate. In my opinion, No, I think that's true.
Speaker 1: So you know, we were talking about these small spaces
Speaker 1: and you said something about, like, I think seventy five
Speaker 1: square feet outside of your home, what you do with
Speaker 1: that amount of space, you can do so much. So
Speaker 1: I have a kind of a standardized planting plan that
Speaker 1: I give my clients, and it starts at fifty square
Speaker 1: feet UM. If you're new to gardening and you really
Speaker 1: want to grow just a little of your own food,
Speaker 1: I think fifty square feet is a great place to start.
Speaker 1: So in my fifty square feet right now, we are
Speaker 1: growing spinach, salad mix, onions. I just bought some cabbage, broccoli, kale,
Speaker 1: Swiss shard, and I'm basically growing just i don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe fifty to a hundred pounds of food in that space.
Speaker 1: So just a ton of yield um in just a
Speaker 1: really small space. So it's a way more active garden um.
Speaker 1: But I also like to build it as sort of
Speaker 1: more low maintenance because the more you plant, the less
Speaker 1: weeds you get, less pest pressure that you get because
Speaker 1: you're constantly in your garden tending to it um So
Speaker 1: I say, basically, budget about a minute and a half
Speaker 1: per square foot in your garden. So if you have
Speaker 1: a one minute to two minutes in your garden per
Speaker 1: day at fifty square feet, that's like an hour a
Speaker 1: week hour and a half maybe of tending. So it
Speaker 1: really doesn't have to be uh that much time. It's
Speaker 1: just kind of getting out there for fifteen minutes a
Speaker 1: day and just checking on things is really how you
Speaker 1: take care of that amount of plants. I love that
Speaker 1: you have a formula for the amount of time it
Speaker 1: will take you, you you know, like, because I I feel like,
Speaker 1: in addition to being intimidated by what to grow and
Speaker 1: all this knowledge, there's this unknown in terms of time commitment, right,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to get into this hobby, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea what it will take. Or I want
Speaker 1: food on my table, but I don't know what it'll take.
Speaker 1: That that's really incredible and I've never seen that anywhere.
Speaker 1: So what are some of the benefits of these sustainable
Speaker 1: practices in the garden. The reason that I grow in
Speaker 1: the most sustainable way possible. I don't really use plastic.
Speaker 1: I try to use wood or metal, things that can
Speaker 1: be recycled or go back to the earth. Is because
Speaker 1: that I think that tending a garden and building a
Speaker 1: garden is kind of a way that we can recreate nature.
Speaker 1: I like to think of it in those terms of,
Speaker 1: if we can create more gardens, we can create people
Speaker 1: who are fostering the sense of local food and basically
Speaker 1: creating this self sustaining environment, then we can rely less
Speaker 1: on big farms, We can rely less on those things
Speaker 1: that otherwise we purchased to make us happy, kind of
Speaker 1: fostering this really healthy lifestyle. For me, the garden is
Speaker 1: a holistic experience in terms of it touches my whole life.
Speaker 1: And so and I don't know if you've seen that movie,
Speaker 1: um Kiss the Ground, that new documentary that Woody Harrelson produced,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, so if you like the Biggest
Speaker 1: Little Farm, watch that movie again. I cried the entire
Speaker 1: way through it. Um. I think that really speaks to
Speaker 1: how we, as human beings who may or may not
Speaker 1: have caused climate change depending on who you ask, can
Speaker 1: really take control of this situation with our purchases and
Speaker 1: with our practices. So bringing that sustainable mindset into the
Speaker 1: garden is it gives us that comfort of control. You know,
Speaker 1: you feel like there's nothing you can do to conserve
Speaker 1: the planet on your own. You feel a little bit
Speaker 1: overwhelmed by the problem. And for me, my solution to
Speaker 1: overwhelm is to take an action, and an action that
Speaker 1: every single person can take is to start a garden
Speaker 1: and use sustainable methods to do it. I like that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we had this other farmer that we talked
Speaker 1: to previously named Hannah um earlier on this episode, and
Speaker 1: she was talking about cover cropping on the farm. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about what that looks
Speaker 1: like in a backyard? Sure? So, I have a saying
Speaker 1: that bare soil is bad soil. Um So that's why
Speaker 1: I overplant in all of my beds in the garden.
Speaker 1: I think, especially the way that I plant, I am
Speaker 1: always looking for new places to plant a seed and
Speaker 1: basically just kind of thin things out as you grow.
Speaker 1: The other aspect of cover crops is their nutrition that
Speaker 1: they add to the soil. Um So mustard is a
Speaker 1: huge cover crop. Peas are a huge cover crop. Those
Speaker 1: families contribute to the soil. There are basically three types
Speaker 1: of feeders. When it comes to vegetables, there's heavy feeders,
Speaker 1: light feeders, and then there's plants that actually add nutrition
Speaker 1: to the soil. And those are two that do that
Speaker 1: and they taste great. So it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that if you think about cover cropping in those ways
Speaker 1: of Okay, it's a new season, my soil needs some nutrition.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put down some compost, but I'm gonna basically
Speaker 1: plant my peas on this trellis where my tomatoes are
Speaker 1: going to grow this summer. And so when I plant
Speaker 1: those tomatoes, they're just going to be in this super
Speaker 1: rich space. So planting that and then instead of pulling
Speaker 1: the whole plant out, snippet at the rootline, um, so
Speaker 1: that those at the soil level. Snippet at the soil level,
Speaker 1: so that all those roots will kind of die back
Speaker 1: and contribute to the soil in terms of their nutrition.
Speaker 1: You know. Hannah the farmer also talked about the benefits
Speaker 1: of having livestock uh and what it does for the soil. Obviously,
Speaker 1: cows aren't something that are easy to keep in the
Speaker 1: backyard in Brooklyn, but what kind of smaller livestock can
Speaker 1: be bringing to our homes instead. So we got chickens
Speaker 1: this year, which have been such a joy. They're like
Speaker 1: little dogs. Um. Some of them are not so nice,
Speaker 1: and some of them I want to bring into the house.
Speaker 1: I was so surprised at how low maintenance they are
Speaker 1: as long as they have kind of like a protected
Speaker 1: area and food and water. Um, they are super happy.
Speaker 1: Quiet and clean. Ducks are another good option. Rabbits are
Speaker 1: awesome as well. Um. Rabbits knee very little space. They'll
Speaker 1: eat all of your garden scraps, and their manure is
Speaker 1: you can put it right into your garden without composting it.
Speaker 1: It's super safe. And the pet that nobody talks about,
Speaker 1: but that is my personal favorite is worms. I have
Speaker 1: a worm bin in our garage. You can have a
Speaker 1: worm bin anywhere in an apartment, a kitchen, if you
Speaker 1: have a garage. They're great if you do them right,
Speaker 1: they don't smell. They you just have to feed them
Speaker 1: once a week, once every two weeks with whatever compost
Speaker 1: is in your compost bin. Um, and they give you
Speaker 1: worm castings which you can put right into your garden,
Speaker 1: which most farmers referred to as black gold. It is
Speaker 1: seriously the best thing you can put in your garden.
Speaker 1: To make it grow. And I am someone who buys
Speaker 1: a ton of organic produce and I hate throwing it away.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to feed it to my chickens
Speaker 1: because I paid good money for that stuff, and so
Speaker 1: to turn it into something that I can use again
Speaker 1: for me is just a no brainer. And yeah, like
Speaker 1: I said, a workman, you can put it literally anywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my kid Ruby had worms as their class pet and
Speaker 1: had fives, and they're like, we have more class pets
Speaker 1: than anyone else. The teacher bought every kid in the class.
Speaker 1: Teacher that said, asked me about my worms. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: informing is a huge thing. And those little guys are
Speaker 1: just workhorses. They do incredible work. So you know you've
Speaker 1: gotten more and more into gardening into this world. Do
Speaker 1: you feel like your relationship with the earth has changed
Speaker 1: since you started? Yes? Absolutely. I I listened to a
Speaker 1: lot of oprah Um and she talks a lot about
Speaker 1: people relating to plants in this way of like we
Speaker 1: are we started as seeds and we grew into plants,
Speaker 1: and like we will one day go back to seed
Speaker 1: and this like cycle sort of starts all over again.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, especially in this time where
Speaker 1: we're lacking a lot of hope for the future. I
Speaker 1: think it's so refreshing and motivating to go outside and
Speaker 1: see this cycle constantly repeating itself. Of these plants have
Speaker 1: this incredible resilience and our earth has this incredible resilience
Speaker 1: that if we, you know, tend to it just mindfully,
Speaker 1: we can really help it get back to its natural
Speaker 1: state just by planting a seed and so thinking about
Speaker 1: seeds as they germinate, there this really tender young thing
Speaker 1: like newborn babies, and then they grow into these super
Speaker 1: strong plants that experience stress, they experienced weather and pests,
Speaker 1: and they have to really fight for their lives. And
Speaker 1: then they create this wonderful fruit, this wonderful edible thing
Speaker 1: for us to eat, and then they produce seeds and
Speaker 1: they do it all over again. And so I think
Speaker 1: for me, watching that life cycle has just been as
Speaker 1: helped me really get through, I guess, the darkest days
Speaker 1: of this year, and it just gives me so much
Speaker 1: hope for our planet and for um the future so much. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think I think bearing witness
Speaker 1: to that process and and contributing to it too is
Speaker 1: is just sort of a remarkable thing we can all do.
Speaker 1: So what do you think makes you passionate or keeps
Speaker 1: you passionate about sharing your knowledge with? Um? Not just
Speaker 1: your customers, but with people. I mean, I am someone
Speaker 1: I have discovered who really values authenticity and connection. UM.
Speaker 1: I really have this endless hope for people. UM. I'm
Speaker 1: a natural optimist, and so I do believe that everyone
Speaker 1: is doing their best. UM. And so when I start
Speaker 1: to talk about gardening, I swear I like blackout because
Speaker 1: I just I am so inspired, honestly in what we
Speaker 1: can create with our gardens gardens I am. Before I
Speaker 1: was a gardener, I was a writer. I was a journalist.
Speaker 1: I traveled, I worked with people and food in so
Speaker 1: many different ways. When I got into journalism, I always
Speaker 1: said I had a passion for people with passion. And
Speaker 1: I swear you have never met people with more passion
Speaker 1: than gardeners. And so I would say that's probably my
Speaker 1: motivation is just being inspired by all these people creating things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's easy to be evangelical about something like this, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking you're so passionate about It's funny you
Speaker 1: were talking talking about optimism because um, Hannah the farmer
Speaker 1: and I were talking about whether you had to be
Speaker 1: an optimist to be a farmer, and I do think
Speaker 1: there's something some certain amount of hopefulness and optimism. You
Speaker 1: need to put a seed in the ground and believe
Speaker 1: it will grow, you know. I I think there's something
Speaker 1: to that, and I think that ritual keeps you optimistic totally.
Speaker 1: And I think you're remembering to be kind to yourself
Speaker 1: when things don't grower when things die. That's really just
Speaker 1: part of our lives, is this kind of failure rate
Speaker 1: and being okay with failure. I think that that's something
Speaker 1: that I have learned a lot in the garden that
Speaker 1: I did not learn in school and did not learn
Speaker 1: in my family. It is okay to fail because you
Speaker 1: can plant another seed, and you can take another step
Speaker 1: and take another action because you have now learned you
Speaker 1: know what works or doesn't work. Yeah, Jamie, this has
Speaker 1: been so wonderful and so nice to chat with you,
Speaker 1: and I love all the tips and I hope people
Speaker 1: will go check out your side because of what you're
Speaker 1: doing is really wonderful. Thank you so much. I feel
Speaker 1: really grateful to have this opportunity and just be in
Speaker 1: this place, so thank you so much. I am now
Speaker 1: convinced that there's nothing cooler than owning small livestock. And
Speaker 1: should I be online at three a m. In the
Speaker 1: morning looking at how much baby Highland cows cost and
Speaker 1: trying to convince my friends to go have these with me?
Speaker 1: Probably doably not, But I'm dreaming big about a calf
Speaker 1: in the big city. Could I take it on the subway?
Speaker 1: Could I try to institute a bring your cow to
Speaker 1: work day or pitch it as some sort of therapy animal.
Speaker 1: After too many hours, I've decided to downgrade my goals
Speaker 1: to ornamental chickens instead. And what sort of track suit
Speaker 1: I might buy for one, because I actually found a
Speaker 1: designer who makes track suits for chickens online. But other
Speaker 1: than my obvious interest in having a pet I can
Speaker 1: dress and walk around with, chickens actually have real value
Speaker 1: in the backyard. They produce good manure that is an
Speaker 1: excellent soil amendment once composted, and they're definitely photogenic. Just
Speaker 1: ask Cody of the Instagram account Cody's chick Instagram. Cody
Speaker 1: is a member of the f A and has nearly
Speaker 1: seventy chickens. He's documented on Instagram to a very eager crowd.
Speaker 1: If you're down the chicken hole like me, check out
Speaker 1: the hashtag chickens of Instagram. You really won't be disappointed.
Speaker 1: It's incredible the amount of optimism and hope that Jamie
Speaker 1: and Hannah both have for growing as a relationship they've
Speaker 1: forged with Earth. It actually reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: Brooke Burke, the TV host and founder of the fitness
Speaker 1: app Brooke Brooke Body. Brooke is probably one of the
Speaker 1: most positive people I've met, and she's an avid home gardener.
Speaker 1: I wanted to share with her some of the lessons
Speaker 1: I learned from Hannah and Jamie, but I also wanted
Speaker 1: to find out how she's approaching sustainability in her own
Speaker 1: backyard and home. Hey, Brooke, are you there? I'm here. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so great to have you on the show. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny, I think, if you have this incredible host
Speaker 1: and dancer and personality and this fitness expert, but it's
Speaker 1: only recently that I got to peek into your gardening
Speaker 1: uh journey online and and see some of your gardens,
Speaker 1: and so I was curious, how long have you been
Speaker 1: into well? First of all, I have to say, since
Speaker 1: you had a look inside, I'm surprised that we're still
Speaker 1: doing the show together, because you know, it's a hot mess.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I this whole year has been such
Speaker 1: a conscious shift, and I feel like everyone is spending
Speaker 1: more time at home. But you know, I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: bit of a home chef, and I have four kids,
Speaker 1: and I love to be outside, and so I do
Speaker 1: so much. I spent so much time in my kitchen
Speaker 1: that I wanted to create sort of a sustainable, you know,
Speaker 1: project in my own backyard that I could plant with
Speaker 1: my children and pick from. And I love spending time
Speaker 1: at the farmer's market, and I go to all these
Speaker 1: like bouge expensive organic grocery stores and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? Let me just take advantage of the
Speaker 1: land and create what I have at home. And I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I had no idea how difficult this
Speaker 1: was going to be. I'm not proud of how my
Speaker 1: garden looks. I'm proud that I have it, but I
Speaker 1: am by no means a gardener. So I'm actually here
Speaker 1: to learn and to and to do better, you know,
Speaker 1: to get better at it. So you know, you talked
Speaker 1: about ardening with your kids, which I really like, and
Speaker 1: I'm curious what are the things that they've gotten excited
Speaker 1: about in your garden. I think it's an opportunity for
Speaker 1: us just to do something together as a family and
Speaker 1: to have that project. I don't know that they get
Speaker 1: the meaning of it like I do, but I think
Speaker 1: they take the memories with them and it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of going out there and doing something simple and natural.
Speaker 1: And it's really hard, like you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: hard with their generation. You know, it's a very digital world.
Speaker 1: I celebrated, I respect it, but I also try to
Speaker 1: maintain it for them. And also this year of the
Speaker 1: digital classroom, my kids have missed an entire year. I've
Speaker 1: had a daughter graduate from high school on a zoom.
Speaker 1: I have a daughter graduating from college on a zoom
Speaker 1: where you like click a button are graduated. It's like
Speaker 1: what really? So it brings us back to a simplicity
Speaker 1: I think of real life, and that's a really hard
Speaker 1: thing to teach. So what's new in the garden and
Speaker 1: what are you excited about now that it is spring? Um?
Speaker 1: Sadly nothing, because I'm getting ready to plant. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking in to you know, proper soil, which I really
Speaker 1: don't know the science behind that, and again it's going
Speaker 1: to be one big experiment. And you've also got roses, right,
Speaker 1: I saw a photo of like, like a beautiful rose garden.
Speaker 1: What do you love about that? And and are they perfumed? Like,
Speaker 1: like do you does it smell amazing to walk through
Speaker 1: that area? It does? I mean, one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things to do is to pick garden roses, even though
Speaker 1: sometimes they look funny, and every season develops, you know,
Speaker 1: a new look. I love the color, I love the fragrance.
Speaker 1: And an impossibly romantic little background story, you know, in
Speaker 1: my ex husband David and I built the home that
Speaker 1: I'm still in, he had a jeep that he was
Speaker 1: his sixteen year old childhood jeep and he saved this
Speaker 1: jeep for decades, and when it came time to start
Speaker 1: landscaping our property, he traded the jeep in for I
Speaker 1: think it was like three hundred rose bushes. And I
Speaker 1: love that idea of gift giving to right, Like, there's
Speaker 1: something really really lovely and special about giving something from
Speaker 1: your backyard. So, you know, in addition to the story
Speaker 1: of trading in the jeep for the roses being something
Speaker 1: that's really romantic. There's also something strangely like ecological or
Speaker 1: sustainable about that idea, right, trading in a car for plants.
Speaker 1: I think so so, so tell me a little bit
Speaker 1: about I love that you've moved these classes outside and
Speaker 1: and that you feel this like real connection to the
Speaker 1: earth and the land. And I'm curious, like does that
Speaker 1: relationship feel more tangible than it did before? And and
Speaker 1: uh and do your do the people in your classes
Speaker 1: feel that connection as well? I? I think so. Opening
Speaker 1: up my backyard was something that I never really thought
Speaker 1: about doing. And I never thought about the possibility of
Speaker 1: laying in my backyard with people like on the grass,
Speaker 1: Like who would want to do that? I really thought
Speaker 1: that who would want to come to a fitness class
Speaker 1: and lay on the grass? You know? You want a
Speaker 1: sound system your studio, That's how I've been teaching for years.
Speaker 1: You want that visual experience. And I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: I don't know when I want to go back to
Speaker 1: a classroom ever again. And I know we're going to
Speaker 1: get back to type of normal whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1: But I have seen people outside in my backyard cry
Speaker 1: release fall asleep, stay longer. You know, there's usually you're
Speaker 1: rushing out of a class and new classes coming in.
Speaker 1: That's why I end with my sound bowls and with meditation,
Speaker 1: because it gives people an opportunity to just stop and
Speaker 1: check out of their head spice headspace rather and tap
Speaker 1: into their body space and just lay there and look
Speaker 1: at things that they haven't paid attention to. I really
Speaker 1: appreciated that. Yeah, so we we've talked a lot about food,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned that you visit local farmers markets. So
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's safe to say that eating organic is
Speaker 1: important to you. But why has that been important and
Speaker 1: and would you say it's been a driving force behind
Speaker 1: your own gardening practices? Well, I think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: I also love the experience of farmers markets because I'm
Speaker 1: supporting our local farmers. But there's also certain things that
Speaker 1: you just you're just not going to find in a
Speaker 1: grocery store, like I learned when I go to the
Speaker 1: farmer's market, because you're going to discover something or some
Speaker 1: what's think funny or a different flavor. So but it's
Speaker 1: such a great experience and I discover things. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I we used to live in when I lived in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: three blocks from the farmers market, and and we would
Speaker 1: walk there every Sunday morning, and you know, the whole
Speaker 1: community would come out. But but you'd come home with
Speaker 1: this like bounty of strange vegetables, and there's excitement around
Speaker 1: like what to do with them? Right, It's like it's
Speaker 1: like being back from a candy shop or something right,
Speaker 1: and everyone's you know, evangelizing about like how excited they
Speaker 1: are about this new this new fruit, or this new
Speaker 1: vegetable or this thing you've got to try or you know,
Speaker 1: And and I love that. I love that. I mean
Speaker 1: the visual. I'm very visual. So for me, if I
Speaker 1: come home with all these beautiful things, first of all,
Speaker 1: it makes me want to cook. It makes me want
Speaker 1: to eat healthier, It makes me want to experiment with salads.
Speaker 1: So makes me want to make a colorful food. And
Speaker 1: that's a really simple visual that I wrote a blog
Speaker 1: about it a long time ago and her mom about
Speaker 1: eating the colors of the rainbow. You know, I did
Speaker 1: this recipe of what I call it junk salad, and
Speaker 1: it's literally like taking all the leftovers and everything that
Speaker 1: you have that you're not going to waste, and make
Speaker 1: a colorful and crunchy from nuts to seeds to different
Speaker 1: vegetables and salads and different types of lettuce. And it's
Speaker 1: really fun. And I feel like this was a year
Speaker 1: of being aware of how much we waste figuring out
Speaker 1: how to be creative and and make I mean, I
Speaker 1: make these delicious we calm junk salads, and everybody loves them.
Speaker 1: This year we did realize how much we waste, not
Speaker 1: just because because of the pressures of the pandemic, but
Speaker 1: also um composting stopped in New York, like the city
Speaker 1: stopped composting, and so you suddenly realize how much more
Speaker 1: trash you were throwing out without um, you know, with
Speaker 1: all the food scraps in there. And and I was curious,
Speaker 1: do you compost in in your gardener your yard? I
Speaker 1: don't because I I but I'm going to this year,
Speaker 1: and I really am going to do a little research
Speaker 1: progress project with my family because you know, even recycling
Speaker 1: takes time and discipline and it's super important. So I'm
Speaker 1: in the process of doing all that and just learning. Rather,
Speaker 1: I'm in the process of learning how it can be better.
Speaker 1: And you know, at that whole that whole process Yeah.
Speaker 1: We had um Thurston on the show and he was
Speaker 1: saying that his mornings, he you know, metadates and journals
Speaker 1: and then he gets a cup of coffee and goes
Speaker 1: out and spins this cylinder he's got for compost and
Speaker 1: it's just and then checks on his garden in the
Speaker 1: mornings and there's something it's it's funny because you think
Speaker 1: a compost and there's nothing romantic about it. And then
Speaker 1: the way he described it was like it's like a ritual.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in you know, we've been talking a lot
Speaker 1: on the show about how about how the world needs
Speaker 1: more empathy and whether or not caring for plants can
Speaker 1: make us better humans, and I was wondering your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. Well, I think so. I I think it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not not everybody can really really understand it.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes my friends come over there like, how
Speaker 1: can your indoor plants are so amazing? I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I always play music in the house. It's not like
Speaker 1: I'm walking around talking to my plants, but I might.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love them, you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: dust the leaves on my on my fig trees in
Speaker 1: my house because I know they need to breathe, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: I see how they change shape because I know that
Speaker 1: they're moving towards the light. So I think that experiences
Speaker 1: is really important. And you know what if you neglect
Speaker 1: your plants, yeah they're gonna die. Yeah they're gonna die.
Speaker 1: But like bring that back to the center, right, So
Speaker 1: are we like if we don't take care of our body.
Speaker 1: And not to be more abid, but you don't take
Speaker 1: care of your health, you don't get outside and you know,
Speaker 1: get some fresh air or get some vitamin D. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you live somewhere where you don't have that that
Speaker 1: often find something that feels good. Movement, rhythm, breath, those
Speaker 1: are the things that change you, you know. And and
Speaker 1: so I think we we need to take advantage and
Speaker 1: kind of lean into that. You know, it's it's really important.
Speaker 1: I love that, you know, Brook, It's been such a
Speaker 1: pleasure talking to you. And I know that we're talking
Speaker 1: about time being precious, but thank you so much for
Speaker 1: spending time with us. Well, I appreciate it. And I'm
Speaker 1: going to make you proud of me when you see
Speaker 1: the new garden, the new garden that's about to take place.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this season. That sounds wonderful. We're
Speaker 1: looking forward to checking it out. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this time. If Old McDonald was rewritten today,
Speaker 1: it would be less old McDonald and more millennial McDonald.
Speaker 1: And if the women I spoke to on this episode
Speaker 1: or any indication, we also wouldn't be so quick to
Speaker 1: gender farmer McDonald as mail either. I'm a little too
Speaker 1: old to be a millennial myself, but I do like
Speaker 1: how this generation has broadly tackled the world. As Malcolm
Speaker 1: Harris's book Kids These Days described it, they faced a
Speaker 1: hostile job market, soaring tuitions and declines and wages, but
Speaker 1: growing up connected and tapped into technology has imbued millennials
Speaker 1: with a different sense of purpose and as a Goldman
Speaker 1: Sachs survey showed their self starters. They care more about
Speaker 1: exercise and wellness, They smoke less than previous generations. They
Speaker 1: help spawn the sharing economy, valuing experiences over possessions, and
Speaker 1: they're focused on solutions to community and global issues. And
Speaker 1: while there's a whole lot of work to be done
Speaker 1: to repair things like climate change, I have to admit
Speaker 1: I find comfort in hearing about these movements of sustainable growers,
Speaker 1: people like Hannah and Jamie, people who see the plants
Speaker 1: we care for as our direct connection to Mother Nature
Speaker 1: and a way to give back and make our footprints
Speaker 1: just a little smaller. If millennials can make an entire
Speaker 1: industry think more sustainably, imagine the model they're setting for
Speaker 1: the next generations. When I hear about things like tree
Speaker 1: planting campaigns reaching its goal to plant twenty million trees,
Speaker 1: and and that ecosystem restoration camps are popping up around
Speaker 1: the world with volunteers showing up to get her hands
Speaker 1: dirty for a cleaner earth, I wonder what will Ruby
Speaker 1: and Henry's generation do to build off this momentum. Will
Speaker 1: they create their own organic kitchen gardens with the chicken
Speaker 1: coop and compost bins out back? Will they figure out
Speaker 1: new ways to farm and protect our earth? Or maybe
Speaker 1: they'll rewrite the song completely? What two? What to for
Speaker 1: Young McDonald is sustainable firm. Yeah, yeah, you and on
Speaker 1: that phone he had organic milk, yeah, yeio, with healthy
Speaker 1: soil here at happy cows there here yep, they're yeah everywhere, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Young McDonald had a sustainable form. Let's say the Earth.
Speaker 1: I oh, that's a today's episode. Don't forget no matter
Speaker 1: what season it is or where you're at in your
Speaker 1: gardening journey, there's some incredible resources waiting for you on
Speaker 1: the Miracle Grow website. Next time on our show, we're
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