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Speaker 1: These One Bills Live presented by Calida Health. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Clida Health. On Joshreed alongside

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Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso. We are filling in for Steve and Chris

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Speaker 1: and Maddie. I mean, we're basically the phill Ins for

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Speaker 1: the phill Ins at this point. Bill's coming off a

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Speaker 1: season preseason opener win over the Colts twenty three to nineteen. Chris,

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Speaker 1: it's just the preseason. But it's nice to have football back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's fitting for you and me to

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Speaker 3: be sitting here today because this Bill's media department, it's

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Speaker 3: pretty top end heavy in terms of talent. If they

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Speaker 3: got Tasker and Maddie and Chris, we're the second teamers

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Speaker 3: we need to show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say you're being generous saying we're second team.

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Speaker 3: We need to show the production team that we can

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Speaker 3: still put on a good show even as the second teamers,

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Speaker 3: just like I think the Bills second and third team

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Speaker 3: did over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: We got to do our one to eleventh basically, that's

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Speaker 1: what you're getting to. Yes, you know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's nice to have football back. It was just a

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Speaker 1: preseason twenty three to nineteen. Bills beat the Colts. A

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Speaker 1: lot of to take away though, you know, in particular,

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Speaker 1: let's start with maybe the quarterback play. You know, it

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Speaker 1: was interesting to see what Matt Barkley was able to

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Speaker 1: do when he got his chance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is kind of a competition that I don't

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Speaker 3: think we thought was kind of materialize the backup quarterback role.

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Speaker 3: The Bills bring in Kyle Allen, who's a buddy of

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, not related to Josh, but has played a

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Speaker 3: little bit more football, started a few games here and

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Speaker 3: there with the Anthers and in Washington. It seems like,

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Speaker 3: at least early on, based on going fourteen to fifteen

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Speaker 3: throwing a couple of touchdowns, that Matt Barkley's kind of

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Speaker 3: pushing late in his career to maybe be the primary

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Speaker 3: backup to Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now with all that being said, you do have to

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Speaker 1: kind of remember that Matt Barkley gets in there in

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Speaker 1: the second half, so he's playing against some really really

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Speaker 1: young players and guys who are a little bit buried

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Speaker 1: on the Colts depth chart.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but at the end of.

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Speaker 1: The day, they bring in Kyle Allen this offseason, and

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Speaker 1: I think we all thought.

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Speaker 4: You know, this is a foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be the backup now, without getting too

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Speaker 1: far out over our skis here after one preseason game.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget case Keenum last year had a terrible

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Speaker 1: first preseason game and still ended up being Josh's backup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the Bills clearly at the quarterback spot. They

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Speaker 3: do really consider quarterback traits, and I think even Matt

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Speaker 3: Barkley would probably say that he doesn't even have the

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Speaker 3: arm or the mobility of a Kyle Allen. But what

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Speaker 3: I always go back to the value in Matt Barkley,

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Speaker 3: and maybe this gets pushed into him being that number two,

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Speaker 3: is that he is so cerebral and he was able

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Speaker 3: to be integral in Josh Allen's development to understand where

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Speaker 3: to throw the football, how to throw with anticipation, to

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Speaker 3: understand things like the leverage of the cornerback and where

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Speaker 3: the coverage dictates.

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Speaker 2: You need to throw the football.

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Speaker 3: I think, of course, he's still going to probably be

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Speaker 3: on this roster in some capacity either way, to be

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Speaker 3: that veteran that can even continue to help Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: But he showed that, you know, Bills fans and the

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Speaker 3: Bills front office, the coaching staff has seen now five

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Speaker 3: six years of Josh Allen's just throwing lasers all.

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Speaker 2: Over the field. You can do it another way at.

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Speaker 3: The quarterback spot and understand almost to be a step

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Matt Barkley looked like a quarterback who has.

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Speaker 4: Been in the system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good call.

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Speaker 4: He looked comfortable.

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Speaker 1: He looked like a guy who knew all the terminology,

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Speaker 1: He looked like here Dorsey's voice wasn't something new. Kyle

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Speaker 3: And I think, you know, obviously year two of Kendorsey,

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Speaker 3: I think there is that familiarity there, and you know,

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Speaker 3: it will probably take Kyle Allen, maybe even until the

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Speaker 4: Is, and he even admitted it at the end of

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Speaker 1: We had a chance to speak to him on that

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Speaker 1: last day and he said, look, the reps are more

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Speaker 1: I think a big part of it is trying to

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Speaker 4: And he said Ken.

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Speaker 1: Dorsey's offense is very, very tricky and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: And a good jumping off point from that is that

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Speaker 3: we're now entering year two of Ken Dorsey, where the

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Speaker 3: bills are saying, hey, look we're going to run more

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Speaker 3: twelve personnel. I think Ken Dorsey is going to try

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Speaker 3: with this offense. So he's doing some new things, installing

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Speaker 3: not as though he's just throwing out the same fifteen

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Speaker 3: So I think it's important for Kyle Allen to get

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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned twelve personnel, so that leads us right

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Speaker 1: to the first round draft pick, Dalton Kincaid. Obviously, no

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think everybody was

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Speaker 1: Cook touchdown run. Look, this is not Lee Smith we're

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Speaker 1: What did you see from Dalton Kincaid preseason game number one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a good way to kind of

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Speaker 3: it's just gonna be getting enough of a linebacker like

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Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen too frequently.

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Speaker 3: But if you're just in the way, you show the

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Speaker 3: receiving tight end of Dalton Kincaid's caliber, with his talent,

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Speaker 3: his explosiveness, his hands. As long as you can do

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Speaker 3: that and you're willing, then I think that's really all

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was really hoping to see him a little

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Speaker 1: And I mean it, we'll see plenty of them, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure week two of the preseason, maybe even week three.

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Speaker 4: Of the preseason.

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Speaker 1: But they came out and ran twelve personnel really early.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know that that says something big picture,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean you were at camp quite a bit,

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Speaker 3: an article about this, that the Bills seemed to be

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Speaker 3: fast tracking Dalton Kinkaid. That at times, especially on this

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Speaker 3: Bills team that has so much talent, you could say, hey,

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Speaker 3: look you're a first rounder, but we have so many

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Speaker 2: To the NFL. That's not the case.

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Speaker 3: That was not the case at Saint John Fisher University

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Speaker 3: with Dalton Kincaid. So I think that's a good point

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Speaker 3: that the first couple snaps, twelve personnel was out there.

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Speaker 3: Is it going to be a run formation? Or are

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Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid and Dawson Knox is gonna run routes. That's

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Speaker 3: why it has been such an efficient personnel packager across

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Speaker 3: a high volume pass catching tight end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure seems like the Bills are making forcing

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, he seems to be digesting it just fine,

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: So here's been my stance on Kinkaid that the one

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Speaker 3: You would have liked to see all the production that

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Speaker 3: he had last season at Utah if he was twenty

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Speaker 3: he turns twenty four in October, I think Dalton Kinkaid

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Speaker 3: they understood, hey, we're drafting this player who played a

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Speaker 3: lot of college football, a lot more than daw than

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Speaker 3: Dawson Knox did at Ole Miss. He had a lot

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Speaker 3: more catches, had a lot more targets. So I think,

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Speaker 3: like you said, drinking out of the water holes at

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Speaker 3: needs to be slowly brought along in terms of.

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Speaker 2: His development as a blocker. And as a receiver.

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Speaker 4: All right, what are we nine almost ten minutes into

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 1: We've talked strictly offense, assuming Sean McDermott's listening to our

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Speaker 1: every word, we probably should talk a little little defense

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Speaker 1: right now. And there was obviously a competition there at

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker at cornerback. Let's start with middle linebacker where

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Speaker 1: it's really a shame that Tureu Bernard's dealing with a

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Speaker 4: To be neck and neck between him and Tyrrel Dotson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it kind of felt like it was setting

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Speaker 3: up for the preseason for those three games to be

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Speaker 3: the ultimate decider of who was going to start Week

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Speaker 3: one against Aaron Rodgers and the Jets on Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 2: We don't really have as much clarity, and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure you would agree that we didn't get any more

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Speaker 3: So yes, it is a shame that Terrel Bernard, who

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've heard Sean say it multiple times.

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Speaker 2: So it's a really good call that there are parallels.

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Speaker 1: Kyer Elam, if you went to training camp and saw

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Speaker 3: with it. That's a really good point because I think

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Speaker 1: He was at Sean McDermott was asked about it Sunday

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that kyer Elam needs to be someone that can

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Speaker 1: Five or six years ago, I would argue that Kaye

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Speaker 4: Hey, first rounder, you gotta see what you have. Just

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Speaker 1: You're You're not a Super Bowl contender necessarily, but where

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Speaker 1: On defense, Let's stay in the secondary, one of the

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Speaker 1: Though I bumped into him along the sideline, he came

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Speaker 4: His life, right for two decades, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: In the NFL.

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Speaker 3: You see all the time that Jordan Poyer and Micah

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Speaker 3: They're not running four to four flat, they're not jumping

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Speaker 3: forty inches. They are positioned so well they understand not

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Speaker 3: only just the system, but what the system can do

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Speaker 3: against different looks. Against three wide receivers against twelve personnel.

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Speaker 3: So I think that knowledge allows them to play a

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Speaker 3: little bit faster. And if that knowledge can kind of

445
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Speaker 3: seep into someone like Tyrell Dotson who doesn't have as

446
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Speaker 3: much experience, that will go a long way into making

447
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Speaker 3: that middle linebacker spot not as much of a liability

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Speaker 3: for the Bills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned a couple of guys who are very

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Speaker 1: vocal on that defense, and von Miller eventually he's gonna

451
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Speaker 1: get back. And there's another guy who has seen it all,

452
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Speaker 1: been there, done that has a tremendous amount of respect

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Speaker 1: inside the locker room, inside that defensive huddle.

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Speaker 4: We got to talk about Damar Hamlin. I mean, what

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Speaker 4: a storyline.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy not only cleared the hurdle in

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Speaker 1: the preseason game, he ran through the hurdle.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was it was. I mean another.

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Speaker 1: Chapter in what is one of the greatest stories in

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Speaker 1: the NFL of all time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just incredible.

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Speaker 1: Sean talked about it after the game, how amazing this

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Speaker 1: whole thing is and the experience of being around it.

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Speaker 1: It just I mean, every time we turn around, it's

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Speaker 1: just that he's just doing something again that puts us

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Speaker 1: all in off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, I mean we were all watching him. Certainly,

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Speaker 3: I was paying close attention to him early on just

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Speaker 3: to see what his demeanor was. And then when that

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Speaker 3: whistle was blown, was he playing as fast as I

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Speaker 3: remember were watching at the University of Pittsburgh when he

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Speaker 3: was a prospect and last season when he got a

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Speaker 3: lot of run because Michael Hyde's injury. He looked just

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Speaker 3: as fast, if not faster than before. Stuck his nose

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Speaker 3: in there, got a couple tackles for loss on a

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Speaker 3: third and short early in the game.

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Speaker 2: He played well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's technically kind of fighting for a roster spot.

479
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Speaker 3: He probably should make the team as that key depth

480
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Speaker 3: safety because he played so much last season. But I

481
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Speaker 3: don't think the Bills were just gonna hand it to him.

482
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Speaker 3: He was impressive in the opener and just to not

483
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Speaker 3: only get over the physical hurdle, but the mental hurdle

484
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Speaker 3: to throw his weight around again after what happened to him.

485
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Speaker 3: Absolutely tremendous, phenomenal story just from that first preseason game

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Speaker 3: for DeMar Hamlin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're looking at the video for those of

488
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Speaker 1: you watching at home, he's dancing pregame, having a good time.

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Speaker 4: He makes a tackle on fourth and short.

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Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, it was fourth and short to force

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Speaker 1: a turnover on downs. I mean, what the light was

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Speaker 1: on and just momentum play, you know, just to not

493
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Speaker 1: only was it a big tackle, it was a tackle

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Speaker 1: on you know, fourth and short, makes the stop, turnover

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Speaker 1: on downs, comes back out the next series, makes two more.

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Speaker 4: Tackles, and you went, Okay, if.

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Speaker 1: There was a small percentage chance that he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: make the roster, to me, he raced all doubt in

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Speaker 1: that first preseason game. Physically, he looks great and seems

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Speaker 1: to Emotionally, I'm sure there's some emotion stuff that is

501
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Speaker 1: never gonna go away, but man, he harnessed it, used

502
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Speaker 1: it in a good way. I just it was it

503
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Speaker 1: was fun to watch him out there flying around. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, now you're looking at the backups to player

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Speaker 1: and hide being Taylor Rap and Tamar Hamlin. Last year,

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Speaker 1: when the injuries hit that secondary, that the safety spot,

507
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Speaker 1: there was a pretty sizable drop off.

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Speaker 4: Not the case this year.

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Speaker 1: Hoping that they don't get to that spot, but the

510
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Speaker 1: drop off won't.

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Speaker 4: Be that big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've kind of realized that the Bills

513
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Speaker 3: at corner and in the secondary, and a lot of

514
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Speaker 3: the safety slot corner positions are almost interchangeable. We feel

515
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Speaker 3: like Taylor Rep's gonna probably be playing the slot occasionally,

516
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Speaker 3: Tarren Johnson moves around. It's gone from a position of

517
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Speaker 3: weakness two years ago that we all knew. Hey, the

518
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Speaker 3: Bills have to pick a corner in the first round.

519
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Speaker 3: Who do they have Tradevius White's hurt. It's just Dane Jackson,

520
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Speaker 3: so they pick kyer Elam. Like you mentioned, both of

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Speaker 3: those safeties go down early in the season and it

522
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Speaker 3: was really just Hamlin and Jaquan Johnson and not a

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Speaker 3: lot of depth behind them. Now, I think those are

524
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Speaker 3: two of the strongest units on the Bills team. And

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Speaker 3: in today's NFL, which everyone's throwing the football around the yard,

526
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Speaker 3: you're in the AFC, You're facing all these awesome quarterbacks

527
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Speaker 3: this season. It's important to not just have the stars,

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Speaker 3: to not just have the A players in Hide and Poyer,

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Speaker 3: but to have the key depth. And I think Hamlin

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Speaker 3: is a very good depth safety who can be at

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Speaker 3: the free safety spot or play closer to the line

532
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Speaker 3: of scrimmage and attack like he always did as a prospect,

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Speaker 3: and before his injury last season, it was awesome to

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Speaker 3: see him playing at that same mouth per hour.

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Speaker 4: Again, we walked our way all the way around the

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Speaker 4: back end.

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Speaker 1: So let's put a ball on it with the last

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Speaker 1: guy that we haven't talked about. And to me, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned they don't need stars. Tradavious White is a star

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Speaker 1: when he's healthy, does he and it seems to be

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Speaker 1: that he is completely healthy if he returns to that

542
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Speaker 1: shut down cornerback spot. All prolab Yeah, we could be

543
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Speaker 1: talking about one of the top two secondaries in the NFL,

544
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Speaker 1: top three secondaries in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about all the continuity and that

547
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Speaker 3: certainly matters with all the communication. We see a lot

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Speaker 3: of times big plays in today's NFL, and every team's

549
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Speaker 3: trying to hit that explosive play. It's oh, the corner

550
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Speaker 3: was in the wrong spot, the safety came down. That's

551
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Speaker 3: not gonna happen with the Bills and individually in twenty nineteen,

552
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Speaker 3: when Tredevius White was an All Pro, he was playing

553
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Speaker 3: great man coverage at LSU. He played a lot of

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Speaker 3: offman and zone and he was playing that at an

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Speaker 3: elite level for Sean McDermott, and I think the fact

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Speaker 3: last year that it took him a full year to

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Speaker 3: come back from that ACL injury Thanksgiving to Thanksgiving, that's

558
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Speaker 3: a little bit longer than most players, especially at a

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Speaker 3: relatively young age come back. I think we can talk

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Speaker 3: about the mental side for him that he probably took

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Speaker 3: him even until into December and into the playoffs to

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Speaker 3: really feel like himself then the season ended, having that

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Speaker 3: entire offseason to be able to just practice, not be

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Speaker 3: rehabbing his knee, I think there's a good chance that

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Speaker 3: we see very close to that all pro caliber Tredevius

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Speaker 3: White this season.

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Speaker 1: Two quick stories about Tradevius White from training camp that

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Speaker 1: made me in the back of my mind go, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's back.

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Speaker 4: Number one was.

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Speaker 1: The first day, maybe the second day of training camp.

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Speaker 1: There's a deep ball thrown and it's it's overthrown. The

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Speaker 1: receiver in trays out of the play, but he makes

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Speaker 1: a dive on the play and he's lying face down

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Speaker 1: on the ground about thirty yards down from the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage and he starts smacking the ground with his palm,

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Speaker 1: and my immediate reaction was, oh boy, what happened here.

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Speaker 1: He then sits up to his knees and then flips

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Speaker 1: immediately onto the toes of his feet, and I went, okay,

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Speaker 1: well that answers the physical part of things. I thought, you,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that if you're not one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: sure with your knee and your legs and everything. The

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Speaker 1: other thing was when True Davious White is healthy and

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Speaker 1: in a good spot, he's fun and he's fun to

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Speaker 1: be around, and he's funny and he's playful. There was

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Speaker 1: a day when we lost power at Saint John Fisher,

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Speaker 1: so the DJs couldn't play music, and Trdavius came over

588
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Speaker 1: and I just happened to be standing on the track

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Speaker 1: in between True Davious and one of the DJs. Booth

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Speaker 1: is set up for the music. There's no music playing.

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Speaker 1: Trudavius came over and yelled, Hey, where where's my music?

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Speaker 1: I need to dance, And everybody laughed, and he said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know the DJs we lost power.

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Speaker 4: They won't they won't.

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Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, this is gonna be boring, like

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Speaker 1: a college practice.

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Speaker 4: And then he smiled and he goes, now I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: have to hear.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Reid reporting all day during practice, and I said,

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Speaker 1: this is a good This is a good sign.

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Speaker 2: He's in a better mental state than we was last year.

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Speaker 4: All Right, we're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on One Bill's Live, will continue to break

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Speaker 1: down the Bill's preseason opening win over the Colts.

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Speaker 4: Stick around, we'll be right back. Welcome back to One

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Speaker 4: Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Josh Reid alongside Chris Trapasso, sitting in for Brownie and

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Speaker 1: Tasker and Maddie on this beautiful summer afternoon here in

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Speaker 1: Western New York breaking down the Bills Colts preseason opener.

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Speaker 1: A nice win twenty three to nineteen for the Bills

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Speaker 1: to kind of kick things off.

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Speaker 4: Even though it is the regular season. A win is

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Speaker 4: a win, and you take it where you can get it.

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Speaker 1: One of the position groups that we haven't talked about yet,

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Speaker 1: but we've kind of talked about a lot this preseason.

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Speaker 1: Good to kind of go back and look at what

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Speaker 1: they did in the preseason opener is the defensive line,

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Speaker 1: and that is a group that is very, very deep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my biggest takeaway.

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Speaker 3: My most impressed development, I think from the Bills in

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Speaker 3: this preseason game was not only just the first team

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Speaker 3: unit that I thought Tim Settle played maybe his best

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Speaker 3: football in a Bill's uniform in this preseason game, but

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Speaker 3: then the second in the third team units, and a

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00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: lot of those guys aren't gonna play a ton. But

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Speaker 3: I always go back to that Divisional round loss to

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Speaker 3: the Bengals. A practice squad defensive lineman started that game.

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Speaker 3: Dawan Jones was the late scratch. I've talked about it

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Speaker 3: all offseason, so it is important not only just because

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Speaker 3: of injuries, but also because Sean McDermott rotates his defensive

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Speaker 3: line more than any other coach in the league. And

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming now that he's calling the plays, he's gonna

633
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Speaker 3: want to go eight, nine, even ten guys deep to

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Speaker 3: keep players fresh in the fourth quarter of games and

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Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter of the season and into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: So I thought it was a downright dominant performance from

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Speaker 3: guys like Poona Ford, who's a newcomer. I thought Cameron

638
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: Klein played well, Boogie Basham had two pressures. It was

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00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: just a good development I think for a Sean McDermott

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00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: led defense, because they want to be It sounds like

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00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: an old school adage, but I think It's true they

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00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: want to dominate upfront, and there have been times over

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. I think back to twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty where some teams were able to run the football

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Speaker 3: pretty well against the Bills, that Chiefs game here.

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Speaker 2: In Orchard Park, where they ran for like two hundred yards.

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Speaker 3: The Bills want to be good upfront, defensive line and

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Speaker 3: then Leonard Floyd and Von Miller. I think it's important

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Speaker 3: for this to be the strength of the defense along

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Speaker 3: with the secondary, to be really good upfront, and they

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Speaker 3: were against the.

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Speaker 4: Colts, and make no mistake, they should be good up front.

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Speaker 2: They first rounders everywhere.

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Speaker 1: They have a ton of assets that they have pumped

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Speaker 1: in to that defensive front. You mentioned Boogie Basham three

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Speaker 1: tackles won for a lost sack, QB hit. He is

657
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Speaker 1: a player speaking of you know, higher round draft picks.

658
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: He is a player who just for whatever reason, it

659
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: hasn't clicked all the way yet.

660
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: It was good to.

661
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: See him make some plays because quite frankly, he needs

662
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: to make some plays.

663
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have Von Miller not back yet. I

664
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: know he's chomping at the bit to get back. Whether

665
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: the Bills let him play Week one well, we'll see.

666
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: I would be surprised you're bringing Leonard Florida is a

667
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: veteran insurance, is kind of that pass rush specialist. You

668
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: like the ascension of Gregory Russo. But to have someone

669
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: like if Boogie Basham could just be that number four

670
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: defensive end that can chip in for five, six, seven sacks,

671
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: forty to fifty pressures, that would be gigantic for this defense.

672
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: That's why they picked him in this round a few

673
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: years ago. So for him, for Ed Oliver with that

674
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: newly minted contract, making some plays. Again, Tim Settle, I

675
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: thought even Eli Anku, who's kind of been that practice

676
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: squad depth nose tackle. We know Jordan Phillips is there,

677
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: but to have that space eater that can make some

678
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: plays against the run.

679
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: All these guys fit into.

680
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: Their own specific roles on this defensive line that again

681
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: is super deep. But to your point, yes, Boogie Basham,

682
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: either him or aj Epanessa taking that step. I think

683
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: this can go from a very good pass rush to

684
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: an elite pass rush if the Bills get that number

685
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: four edge rusher being a more consistent player this season.

686
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: Go back over to the offensive side of the ball

687
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: and Isabella's He is an interesting story everybody that they

688
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: just brought in at the very very end of training camp,

689
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: so you know there's gonna be some growing pains. They're

690
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: trying to learn exactly what they're trying to do on offense.

691
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: But he's a guy who can possibly contribute on special

692
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: teams as well.

693
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he's won where the Nahim Heinz

694
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: injury opens the little door for him, it cracks it

695
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: opened a little. I think you're probably right off air.

696
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: You're telling me that you probably think he's still a

697
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: long shot to make the roster, and that's probably true.

698
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: Now if he has.

699
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: Two straight preseason games where he returns a couple of punts, well,

700
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: has a couple of catches in the slot, I think

701
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: the Bills could maybe try to find one of those

702
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: final roster spots for him because he can be the returner.

703
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: And he obviously came into the NFL kind of like

704
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: Boogie Bashram as a second round pick who's underperformed early

705
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: in his career. I remember watching him at UMass and thinking, okay,

706
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 3: like is this kind of going into it? Is this

707
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: a Cole Beasley type player? He's not that he ran

708
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 3: in the low four threes.

709
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: He is a track guy with a lot of speed.

710
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: If he can prove to be consistent with his hands

711
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: and like you said, learn the offense, learn his rout

712
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: tree on what he needs to do in the slot.

713
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: I think he can be kind of a fun niche

714
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: player on an offense that has a lot of different

715
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: targets for Josh Allen to throw the football.

716
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

717
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean has brought in just about every time of

718
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: chess piece that you could possibly bring it right trying

719
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: to integrate into this offense. And now you know, it's

720
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: just a matter of Ken Dorsey figuring out how the

721
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle fit together.

722
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

723
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: And what's interesting about what you just said there is

724
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: that if you look at the bills, like bottom of

725
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: the roster receivers who actually played well, Tyrrel Shavers, Keishawn Johnson,

726
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: Desmond Patman, marcel Aateman, those three, they're all bigger. They're

727
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: all six to one and up. I think Keishawn Johnson

728
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: is the smallest, but the rest of them are six

729
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 3: to four and up. Andy Isabella is kind of unique

730
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: in that depth row and that he's you know, five nine,

731
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty five pounds.

732
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: He can kind of be kind of.

733
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: Stand alone in that group playing in the second half

734
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 3: of games where a lot of those other receivers are

735
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: playing on the outside, you're throwing them fades into the

736
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: end zone. Andy Isabella can be that between the numbers

737
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: type kind of chain mover as a slot player. And

738
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 3: again I remember watching him. He is a really fast

739
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: type guy, not necessarily super quick. He's like aster than

740
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: he is quick. It's usually like the other way around,

741
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: but running in the low four to three is coming

742
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: out of UMass. The Bills kind of have something unique

743
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: with him amongst you know, the bottom of the roster

744
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: guys that are a really big and tower like kind

745
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: of towering pass catching targets.

746
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: Every time I think I know what I think if

747
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: that makes sense about the slot position, the number three

748
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver position, the next day I go, oh, that's

749
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I don't I think something different now.

750
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 4: It just it seems to be.

751
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: One practice, a certain player plays really well, then they

752
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: come back to the pack and somebody else plays a

753
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: little better. And there's several names that we can talk

754
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: about here. I just haven't seen anybody completely go and

755
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: take that.

756
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: Job as the number three wide.

757
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: No, definitely not. I think that's a good point that

758
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: this Bill's team. We talked about it in the first

759
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 3: segment that Ken Dorsey going into year two obviously wants

760
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: to improve like every offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator do

761
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: going into that second season, but that the Bills might

762
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 3: look different philosophically, more twelve personnel. That's been the buzzword

763
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: or the buzz football terminology phrase all off season. The

764
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: Bills might not need to look like the twenty twenty Bills,

765
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: where it was John Brown, Stefon Diggs and Cole Beasley.

766
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 3: They ran a lot of eleven personnel, that's three wide receivers.

767
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: Cole Beasley wasn't all pro. They peppered him the football

768
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: underneath when they weren't throwing it to Diggs like you

769
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: have Dawson Knox, You draft Dalton Kincaid in the first round.

770
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: You mentioned it, James Cook will probably get a fair

771
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: share of targets. Is kind of this multi diverse weapon

772
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 3: to line up outside and run routes. So you're right,

773
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 3: there hasn't really been a Deanty Hardy or a Khalil

774
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: Shakir or even Trent Sherfield who has grabbed hold of

775
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: that number three roll. But I'm wondering, at this point

776
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 3: we have two more preseason games to kind of sort

777
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: this out, if the Bills wide receiver three, that slot

778
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 3: position that has become so popular in Say's NFL, might

779
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: just not be a prominent role on this offense.

780
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I think that that's that is exactly

781
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: the case.

782
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: I think we're you know, we're we're at the time

783
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: of year right now where we're looking for different storylines,

784
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: and wide receiver three, if you will, is one that

785
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: comes up because you know who the number one guy is,

786
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: and you have to know who the number two guy is,

787
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: So who's the number three guy? You know, the number

788
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: three guy quite frankly, isn't a wide receiver or I know.

789
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: The kin Kaid is he a receiver tight end?

790
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: And then there's Knocks and there's Cook and it's just

791
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of bodies that are gonna get targets

792
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: before that number three receiver.

793
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like from that point, going back to twenty twenty,

794
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: which to me was the best and most efficient Bills

795
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 3: offense that we've seen since the Jim Kelly era for

796
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: as good as defon Diggs was in that first season.

797
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: The Bills I think were so good that year because

798
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: they really were able.

799
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 2: To disperse the football that it was.

800
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: You even got some Gabe Davis as a rookie that

801
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: season down the field, you had John Brown, you had

802
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: Dawson Knox early in his career. They threw the ball

803
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: to the running backs. I think, for as much as

804
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: it's to kind of align Josh Allen with Stefan Diggs,

805
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: is this elite quarterback and wide receiver duo, the Bills

806
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: weren't as good last year when that was really the offense.

807
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: It was all just funneled through Stefan Diggs. So to

808
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: your point, I do think the Bills want Josh Allen

809
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 3: to truly spread the football around, and like you mentioned,

810
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: they've given him every type of size, every type of

811
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 3: you know, skilled position player to allow Josh Allen to

812
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: be that point guard and not just focus on Stefan

813
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: Diggs to keep defenses.

814
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: Honest, they've even done that to a point. In the backfield.

815
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, you've got James Cook, Damian Harris, Latavious, three

816
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: different types, three really different types. I mean, it's all

817
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of different pieces, and you wonder how much

818
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: that we're gonna see is gonna be game plan specific,

819
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, certain guys against certain teams, or maybe a

820
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: better matchup. Maybe maybe week one it's Cook, in week

821
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: two it's it's it's Harris.

822
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we could really see that, like inter

823
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: of matchups in game where maybe you know, early on

824
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: in the game you're facing a defense that has two

825
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: really fast and athletic linebackers, and James Cook is more

826
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: apt to bounce it outside early on, has some tough sledding,

827
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: isn't able to hit the corner and turn it. Then

828
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: you turn to Murray or Harris, who are a little

829
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: bit better between the tackles, have more weight on their frame.

830
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: That's where they've been good in the NFL. So you're

831
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: right in that not only at the receiver spot and

832
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: tight end, you have two different types in Knox and

833
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: Kincaid in the backfield, they can really be matchup specific,

834
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: and I think that's important throughout this pretty challenging season.

835
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: But then once you get into the playoffs, you're going

836
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: to just face a lot of different teams and maybe

837
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 3: the wildcard team has a completely different defensive dynamic as

838
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 3: the division round team or the AFC title team. So

839
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 3: to have a lot of different options as opposed to being, hey,

840
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: here's what we're going to do every week. I think

841
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 3: that's a better way to operate your offense more optimally.

842
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

843
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: Watching, if you're watching at home, you can see some

844
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: of these Cook runs there, and he has just got

845
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: a different skip to him.

846
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

847
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: Then what they've had in the backfield. Take nothing away

848
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: from Devin Singletary. He was a very solid contributor while

849
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: he was here. But James just gives you a different

850
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: level of burst.

851
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: I mean you can see it when he gets out

852
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 4: in the open field. It's a home run waiting to happen.

853
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he ran actually faster than his brother

854
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: Delvin Cook coming into the combine and into his draft.

855
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 3: I think because the Bills understand that Josh Allen is

856
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: obviously the focal point of the offense, they're gonna throw

857
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: it like six hundred times a season.

858
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: I think we've seen that.

859
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean wants, Hey, if we're not gonna run it

860
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: twenty or even twenty five times a game, if we

861
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 3: are getting a lot of light boxes, let's try to

862
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: hit a home run. That Devin Singletary to me, is

863
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: one of the most laterally elusive side to side running

864
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: backs in the NFL.

865
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: He was great at that.

866
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: If there was a linebacker in space, could you him

867
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,479
Speaker 3: left or right fall forward for four yards? James Cook

868
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: can subtly cut to the left, hit the accelerators and

869
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: hit it for thirty yards. That's where Devin Singletary, I

870
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: think think wasn't able to produce for the Bills offense,

871
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: so they want to get as efficient as possible when

872
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: they decide to take the ball out of Josh Allen's hands,

873
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: which seems like a bad idea in most cases, you

874
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: want to be able to hit that home run. A

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Speaker 3: lot of teams are focusing on that. I think the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins are doing that, and that's what James Cook brings

877
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: to you, that electricity once he has the ball in

878
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Speaker 3: his hand.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: Taking the ball at Josh Allen's hands probably never really

881
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: a great idea, but it was interesting though. Talking to

882
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Damien Harris, you know, another person in that running back room,

883
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: a new guy, a new addition. One of the things

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Speaker 1: he brought up was how important he felt it was

885
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Speaker 1: for the running backs to take some of the burden

886
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: off of Josh Allen's shoulders because he knows that Josh

887
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: is expected not only to be the guy who's throwing

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00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: the ball forty times fifty times a game, but also

889
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: is expected to run it, in particular on.

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00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 4: Those high stress carries. You know whether it's fourth and short,

891
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: you know, third and short.

892
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: You know. So Damien Harris was like, look, it's important

893
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: for the run backs to take some of the pressure

894
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: off of Josh Allen. I really think if and it's

895
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Speaker 1: a big if because Damien Harris has struggled with injuries

896
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Speaker 1: since he got in the league. If he can stay healthy, Chris,

897
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: I think that. I think he can have.

898
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Speaker 2: A big year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and his big season was when he had I

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Speaker 3: think over ten touchdowns with the Patriots of two year.

901
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Fifteen.

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00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy. That is a crazy number. I saw that

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00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: the first time.

904
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Speaker 4: I went it's just staying that's not right. That can't

905
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Speaker 4: be correct.

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Speaker 1: I've checked three websites and I went, hit fifteen touchdown.

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00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

908
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: I think if he stays healthy, he can get close

909
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: to double digits. Again, based on how well the Bills

910
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Speaker 3: moved the football inside the twenties and for how much

911
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: they don't want Josh Allen to take all that punishment

912
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: in season, I think he could reach double digits again.

913
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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, we're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on One Bill's Live, we'll continue to look

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Speaker 1: back at the Bills preseason opener and they're win against

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Speaker 1: the Colts. Stick around, One Bill's Live will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bills Live. Josh Reed, Chris Trepasso

918
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: hanging out with you this afternoon. Talked a lot about

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00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: the Bills coming off of the preseason opener, went over

920
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: the Colts. One of the other things that stood out

921
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Speaker 1: was on the Colt side of the ball. You know,

922
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: they drafted Anthony Richardson in the first round. This is

923
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: this is a franchise who deserves to finally catch a

924
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: break at quarterback.

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00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: I mean they've only had.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Andrews, I know, so they've had like

927
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: a couple of down years, so they deserve for Anthony

928
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: Richardson to be a star, right obviously joking, but I

929
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: thought he did some really nice things in his in

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00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: his first NFL action.

931
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the interception is gonna on paper, but

932
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: if to go back to watch that play and like

933
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 3: you saw it live, like it was a busted play.

934
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: The receiver wasn't looking. He went to throw it, had

935
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: to pause, probably shouldn't have thrown the football, but was

936
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 3: trying to make a play. Like you mentioned, I thought

937
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 3: after that there was a good throw over the middle.

938
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Speaker 3: The throw to Alec Pierce that Saran Neil broke up

939
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: was perfectly dropped into the buck in the front right pylon.

940
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Speaker 3: So for someone that was supposed to have these, you know,

941
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: major accuracy issues, and he certainly had a low completion percentage.

942
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: The accuracy rate was not great at Florida, only thirteen

943
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 3: career starts. I thought after the interception to come out,

944
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: he did not look like deer in headlights after that

945
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: saw him run the football at six four two forty

946
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Speaker 3: four with mid four four speed. You saw that a

947
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 3: little bit as well. So I think despite the interception,

948
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson actually looked pretty comfortable in that preseason debut.

949
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all the stuff that we heard entering the

950
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: draft was a lot of the stuff we heard about

951
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Right, Yes, very similar.

952
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 4: Accuracy accuracy stuff.

953
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: Man, He's built like Josh, he plays a little bit

954
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Speaker 1: like Josh.

955
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Speaker 4: And I mean it's what the AFC needs.

956
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Is another stud quarterback at this point, right, I mean,

957
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: as if there's not, you know, every single week that

958
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: the Bills take the field against an AFC team, they're

959
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: gonna be facing one of these great quarterbacks.

960
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Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson though I thought looked good.

961
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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, if you're the Colts and you're smart,

962
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: which there's plenty of reason to wonder about that, but

963
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: if they're smart, quite frankly, they should follow the Bills

964
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: blueprint and go, how do we get this guy a

965
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: legit number one wide receiver to help him? Granted that

966
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: chance is coming gone this year, but in year two

967
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: that should be priority number one.

968
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I really think the Bills have kind of

969
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: set the blueprint for that that for the longest time,

970
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: it kind of felt like you draft your quarterback, then

971
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: the next year you draft your receiver in the first round.

972
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 3: The Bills did it with EJ. Manuel, then they drafted

973
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Speaker 3: Sammy Watkins. They had Robert Woods in that same EJ.

974
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 3: Manuel draft class. I think Brandon Bean set the modern

975
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: day blueprint, not that you have to do it this way,

976
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: but by adding some veterans around your young white, your

977
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 3: young quarterback, and John Brown and Cole Beasley I think

978
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: they were integral, and then of course Defon Diggs just

979
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: be aggressive in doing that so your quarterbacks and your

980
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: receivers are not learning on the fly together to have

981
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: a stable force at wide receiver, multiple guys that have

982
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: been there and done that. I think that was something

983
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: that teams really weren't doing that. Brandon Bean was kind

984
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: of zigging when everyone else was zagging, and it was

985
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: very critical to Josh Allen's development to have those veteran

986
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Speaker 3: guys come in to kind of help his maturation process.

987
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: Another big storyline around the NFL this offseason has been

988
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: the running back position and getting paid. Basically, Jonathan Taylor

989
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: not happy the Colts running back, and that impacts the

990
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: Colts and most people who do fantasy football.

991
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: Yours truly and you as well. Yeah, but it's supposedly

992
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor.

993
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: He's expected back this week and they need him not

994
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: only for you know, in particular for Anthony Richardson, they

995
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: need him because it helps his learning curve.

996
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

997
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: It's just that running backs today don't have a lot

998
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: of leverage that if he sits out, he doesn't get

999
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 3: paid this season. So that's why a lot of these

1000
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: holdouts don't last very long. And that's why you know,

1001
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: two weeks ago Jonathan Taylor was ready to set out,

1002
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 3: and now he's returning.

1003
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: But you're right to have an elite.

1004
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: Young talent like Jonathan Taylor would put Anthony Richardson in

1005
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: a position where he doesn't have to throw the football

1006
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: forty times again.

1007
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,919
Speaker 2: They can lean on him.

1008
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: So hopefully, for the cold's sake, that gets settled sooner

1009
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: rather than later.

1010
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: I'm just not sure if it will.

1011
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 4: All right.

1012
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break. Coming up on One

1013
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: Bill's Live. We're gonna dig deep into some film. Greg Cosell,

1014
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: the senior producer at NFL Films.

1015
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: He's gonna join us. Stick around, we'll be right back.

1016
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Speaker 4: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida health Well.

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00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: Going back to One Bills Live, Josh Reed, Christopasso hanging

1018
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: out with you this afternoon, filling in for Steve and

1019
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: Chris and Maddie who are enjoying this beautiful afternoon in

1020
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: Western New York, breaking down the Bill's preseason opener against

1021
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: the Colts, the twenty three.

1022
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Speaker 4: To nineteen win.

1023
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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Greg Cosell, the senior producer at

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00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: NFL films. Greg's been breaking down all that film for us. Greg,

1025
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for hanging out with us. You know,

1026
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: in general, let's just start in general. What was something

1027
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: that kind of jumped out to you when you went

1028
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: back and watched some of that film.

1029
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I'm gonna true confession here. I didn't

1030
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Speaker 5: watch every single play, Josh, on both sides of the ball.

1031
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 5: I hope that's okay. You know, preseason is preseason, you know,

1032
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 5: and I know a lot of coaches and I know that,

1033
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 5: you know, they don't really do much in preseason as

1034
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 5: far as tactics and strategy, So you know, I didn't.

1035
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Speaker 5: You know, I looked at specific players, and I was

1036
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 5: interested to see guys that I had seen, you know,

1037
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 5: younger guys that I had seen in college. And I'm

1038
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 5: always curious when I watch younger guys, Josh, to see

1039
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: if they look the same when they get into an

1040
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: NFL game, Because if they look the same, you know,

1041
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 5: if they look relatively the same in the way in

1042
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: which they play and move, I always feel that's a

1043
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 5: good signed because that means they're they're seeing things and

1044
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: they're playing with the same speed that they did in college.

1045
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: And you know that's that's just something I always take

1046
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Speaker 5: note of. Now you can always, you know, see that

1047
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Speaker 5: with quarterbacks as well. Obviously we're not, you know, breaking

1048
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 5: down a quarterback here, but with quarterbacks, you know, guys

1049
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: that start to move really fast or play fast, you

1050
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 5: can tell they're not seeing things. But you can notice

1051
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 5: that as well with defensive players, you know, particularly linebackers.

1052
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 5: So you know, those are the kinds of things I

1053
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: kind of look for.

1054
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: All Right, that's a perfect segue because I want to

1055
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: ask you about a young player who I really liked

1056
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: during the pre draft process that plays defense. The Bills

1057
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Speaker 3: aren't really sold on their number two, their middle linebacker.

1058
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 3: Let's call it Dorian Williams from Tulane, the third round pick.

1059
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: What did you see he led the team in tackles

1060
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: first off? What did you think of him coming out

1061
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 3: of Tulane? And what did you see in this preseason

1062
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 3: debut for him?

1063
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's funny, Chris. I know you do a

1064
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Speaker 5: lot of college work as well, and I really like

1065
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 5: Dorian Williams coming out of college. I thought that he

1066
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 5: you know, he's a bit undersized in an ideal world.

1067
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 5: He waited to less than two thirty. But he ran well.

1068
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 5: He has great arm lanes. I mean, he fit the

1069
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 5: profile to me of kind of that scrape and flow

1070
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 5: run and hit backer. He's got really good play speed.

1071
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 5: He's got inside out sidelines to sideline range. He plays fast,

1072
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 5: and I thought he did that in this game. I

1073
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Speaker 5: thought he looked relatively the same. I don't know if

1074
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 5: you remember. I know you remember the player. I don't

1075
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 5: know if you remember him coming out Chris, But when

1076
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 5: I watched his tape at Tulane, the player he reminded

1077
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Speaker 5: me of to some degree was Kwan Alexander coming out

1078
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 5: of LSU. Yep, Yeah, and Kwant Alexander was about the

1079
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: same size and he stepped right in as a starting

1080
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 5: linebacker for the Tampa Bay Bucks. That's who drafted him.

1081
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 5: I think they drafted him maybe fourth round or so,

1082
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 5: if memory serves me correctly, and I think even his

1083
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 5: second or third year in the league he was among

1084
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 5: the league leaders and tackles. But to me, in this game, Williams,

1085
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 5: you know, looking at the preseason game, I thought he

1086
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 5: looked like he did in college.

1087
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 4: He's an energy player.

1088
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 5: You know, he plays I would say he plays physically,

1089
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 5: but he's not necessary strong, Like he'll look to take

1090
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 5: on blocks in the run game, but he's not necessarily

1091
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: going to stack in shed in the ideal way you'd

1092
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 5: want him to. And obviously he got handled by Quintin

1093
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 5: Nelson on one run play. You saw that in college

1094
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 5: at times, but you saw him also match up man

1095
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,919
Speaker 5: to man on the tight end. You saw him green

1096
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 5: dog and a man coverage concept. You know, he just

1097
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 5: to me, he's a high energy, hind motor player, and

1098
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 5: I think those guys bring an attitude to a defense.

1099
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 4: Greg's let's stick with the rookies.

1100
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: I was in Indianapolis for the scouting Combine had a

1101
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: chance to speak with Osirus Torrance. The more I read

1102
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: about him, Yeah, the more I watched him, the more

1103
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: I liked him.

1104
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: The more then I loved him. Then the Bills call

1105
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 4: his name on draft Day, and I'm like, this kid.

1106
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: I really like this guy so much so that Greg

1107
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: at one point at times, I'm telling myself there's got

1108
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: to be something to really dislike about him. I'm like,

1109
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: I need to find something that I don't like. But

1110
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: it's hard for me because I've liked what I saw

1111
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: it training camp, and I specifically watched him through the game.

1112
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 4: I tried to watch him play in and play out.

1113
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 4: I liked what I saw.

1114
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna but I am going to give it to

1115
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: you because this is what you do.

1116
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 4: What did you see from Osirius Steam?

1117
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 5: Yes, well, let me ask you guys this. You would

1118
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 5: know this better than I. He played with the first team.

1119
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 5: Has he been doing that through training camp?

1120
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: He has been rotating in and out with Ryan Bates,

1121
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: but it has trended a lot more toward Ossirus as

1122
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: camp went on.

1123
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, well again, another guy who when he came out

1124
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 5: of Florida, and obviously he transferred from Louisiana where he

1125
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 5: was a three year starter, so he was a four

1126
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 5: year college starter. And I thought that his tape was

1127
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 5: not a mystery when you watched it in college. I

1128
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 5: thought he was a power player, a physical player. But

1129
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 5: the thing that really struck me watching him against the

1130
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 5: Colts defense in this preseason game is I actually thought

1131
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 5: he looked a little more athletic, and I was really

1132
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 5: impressed with that. I thought he did a really good

1133
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: job in one on one pass protection showed. I thought

1134
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 5: he showed really good balance and body control. He recovered

1135
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 5: well when he initially for a moment, looked like he

1136
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 5: might not get beat. Josh, you probably saw this if

1137
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 5: you watch every snap.

1138
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 3: You know.

1139
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 5: I think he continues to need work on his initial

1140
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 5: hand placement in pass pro. I'm sure Aaron Kromer and

1141
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 5: staff are working with him on that. But you know

1142
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: what really impressed me in the run game was his

1143
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 5: ability to post and combo block at the first level

1144
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: and then show second level mobility and balance to strike

1145
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 5: on the move. So I thought he looked a little

1146
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 5: lighter on his feet and a little more athletic in

1147
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 5: this game, in a preseason game than he did throughout

1148
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 5: his college career, where I thought he was essentially kind

1149
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 5: of a power player.

1150
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: All right, moving from rookies to veterans and it's a

1151
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 3: relatively newer player on this Bills team. In the last segment,

1152
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 3: Josh and I were talking about how that slot role

1153
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: for the Bills, there's no one that's really come up

1154
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: and grab that position. Kind of a long shot to

1155
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 3: be in that role at this point. But Andy Isabella

1156
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: returned a couple of kicks man some plays. I remember

1157
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 3: watching him at UMass. I'm sure you did too, that

1158
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 3: he was that spiker player when in the second round

1159
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 3: he was you know, in draft Twitter, he was a

1160
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 3: pretty popular name.

1161
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 2: I want to it's kind of a two pronged question.

1162
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: What do you think or what do you remember watching

1163
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: that you think went wrong in Arizona for him?

1164
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: Was it just injuries? Was it a bad scheme fit?

1165
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 3: And what did you see from him with the three

1166
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 3: catches in the preseason opener.

1167
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 6: For the game?

1168
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 5: Yes, Chris, that's a great question. I don't know the

1169
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 5: answer to what goes wrong with a player on a

1170
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 5: given team, because you're one hundred percent right. He was

1171
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 5: a second round pick, okay, and he's a small school guy,

1172
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 5: and again, not a great program necessarily, certainly the last

1173
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 5: couple of years they've fallen on hard times. As you

1174
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 5: guys know. He ran a four to three one forty.

1175
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 5: He ran a great short shuttle at the Combine in

1176
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. He put up huge numbers, even I think

1177
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 5: his last year. I remember the tape against Georgia, he

1178
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 5: put up ridiculous numbers. You know, when people start to think, wow,

1179
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 5: because that's Georgia. This guy's going to come in the

1180
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 5: league and he's got a real chance. So I don't

1181
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 5: know what happened. But he's obviously small, but he's really quick.

1182
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 5: He's got great state straight line speed. I mean, the

1183
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 5: thirty yarder he caught in this game was a classic

1184
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 5: way you would probably see him being used. I think

1185
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 5: it was an empty set. He was number three to

1186
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 5: trips and he ran well we often call a jerk route,

1187
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 5: and he beat a linebacker and then he just ran

1188
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 5: away from him. You know, that's kind of the way

1189
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 5: in which you would see him being used in the NFL.

1190
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 5: But he can run straight line. He's got great straight

1191
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 5: line speeds, so you know, maybe this is an opportunity

1192
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 5: for him. Who knows, you know, you never know when

1193
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: someone goes to a new team. But he's been with

1194
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 5: a couple of teams and it just hasn't worked. Now,

1195
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 5: I don't know the kid. You know, maybe you guys

1196
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 5: have had a chance to talk to him. I don't know,

1197
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 5: But you know, the reason it doesn't work somewhere is

1198
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 5: always a hard question to answer because there's so many variables.

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Speaker 1: Great co Sel joining us right now, the senior producer

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00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: of NFL Films, helping us break down some film from

1201
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: the Bills preseason opener, the win against the Colts, twenty

1202
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: three to nineteen, Greg, there's a couple position battles going

1203
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: on here here in Buffalo. One of them is at

1204
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: the second cornerback spot across the line from from Tradavious White.

1205
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 4: Kier Elam is a former first round draft.

1206
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: Picks and athletically he sure looks the part, but he

1207
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: just hasn't been able to snatch that job.

1208
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: What have you seen from him? And what did you

1209
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 4: see in the preseason.

1210
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 6: Game as Colts and Joshu on percent right, I mean

1211
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 6: when you look at the size, the length, and movement,

1212
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 6: the speed, everything about Elim says that he should be

1213
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 6: a quality NFL corner.

1214
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 5: You know, he's played boundary corner. That's what he played

1215
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 5: in college. That's what he played in this game in

1216
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 5: the preseason.

1217
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1218
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 5: To me, at this point in his career and he's

1219
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: going into a second season, obviously he's much better in

1220
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 5: press man. I think he's most comfortable playing that. I

1221
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 5: think that you know, in cover two, we can play

1222
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 5: cover two because you can get up and press and

1223
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 5: cover two as well and physically disrupt the release. I

1224
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 5: think that when it comes to playing off coverage, whether

1225
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 5: it's Cover four or Cover three, my sense is he's

1226
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 5: still not quite as comfortable. You know, that's probably coaching,

1227
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 5: that's probably repetition, But Josh, you're right. I mean, he

1228
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: just looks the part, and you're hoping that the development

1229
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 5: continues because you know, if he could again I hate

1230
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 5: to sound cliche, but if you could reach what his

1231
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 5: physical traits appear to be, he could be really a

1232
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 5: quality corner. But I'm not there every day, so I

1233
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 5: don't know what you know, what goes on. I don't

1234
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 5: know you know what they're working with him on. But

1235
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 5: he's certainly more comfortable as a press player right now

1236
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 5: than he is playing.

1237
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: Off all right, Staying on defense, One last question for me,

1238
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: one last player from this preseason game, Boogie Basham.

1239
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: We talked about him earlier.

1240
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 3: If he could become that, you know, in year three,

1241
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: that number four edge rusher on this team and be productive,

1242
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: it would be huge for this defense, would have a

1243
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: big ripple effect.

1244
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: Again, I'm gonna go back to the draft question.

1245
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 3: What did you think about him at wake Forest inside

1246
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: outside rusher and from this game what did you see

1247
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: from him? Do you think he's trending in the right

1248
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: direction or maybe not?

1249
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, Chris, he's an interesting guy. I remember watching him

1250
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 5: at Wake and even watching him at Wake, I thought,

1251
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if he's an edge player. Yeah, you know,

1252
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 5: I thought that he might be better served as being,

1253
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 5: you know, an interior player. I mean, I know he

1254
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 5: had a sack in this game he beat the rookie Freeland,

1255
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 5: a player I didn't particularly like on tape. I don't

1256
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 5: know you thought, but but I don't think even when

1257
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: you watch that sack, you know, the one thing that

1258
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 5: he doesn't really have is he doesn't really have bend

1259
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 5: in flexibility. He can't really flatten his pass for his

1260
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 5: rush path. You know, he's not that guy. So, you know,

1261
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 5: I always questioned in my own mind, just watch him

1262
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 5: in college and watching him through his early development with

1263
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 5: the Bills, whether he really has the traits to become

1264
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 5: an effective edge rusher in their scheme. You know, so

1265
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 5: I keep saying to myself, you know, would he be

1266
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 5: better off in a nickel front? You know, and they

1267
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 5: play a ton of nickels, you guys know, that's almost

1268
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 5: their base defense. We'll see if that continues now that

1269
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 5: Seawan is in charge. But can he develop into a

1270
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 5: quality inside pass rusher nickel fronts that's that's the way

1271
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 5: I see him. You know, I don't know how they

1272
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 5: see him. Maybe they're trying to find out whether he

1273
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 5: can truly play on the edge through this preseason. Obviously,

1274
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 5: if he can, it would be great for the Bills.

1275
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 5: I guess that's a wait and see in a work

1276
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 5: in progress.

1277
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Speaker 1: I got one last one for you, Greg, and then

1278
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go. Nam Hines gets injured, and

1279
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: maybe that secured a roster spot for Latavius Murray, because yeah,

1280
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: Latavia's I think when he came to camp, you know,

1281
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: and this is obviously my mistake, I thought there can't

1282
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of tread left on the tires. But

1283
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: he has looked like twenty six year old Latavius Murray.

1284
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: He has built different.

1285
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: Did you watch some tape on the Bills running backs,

1286
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: and in particular Latavious.

1287
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: I've seen him since college, Josh, and you know, he's

1288
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 5: one of those guys every year. It seems like he's

1289
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 5: with a different team now every year. But early in

1290
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 5: his career he was a featured back for the Raiders

1291
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 5: for a couple of years, gained over a thousand yards.

1292
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 5: Then he's gone throughout the league and every year it

1293
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 5: seems like he gets one hundred and forty one hundred

1294
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: and fifty carries. Is kind of a number two back,

1295
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 5: and he seems to average, you know, four point seven

1296
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 5: four point eight yards are a rush. He's long. You know,

1297
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 5: he's one of those guys that, even when it doesn't

1298
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 5: seem to be blocked really well, it seems like he

1299
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 5: gets four yards just because he's so long and he

1300
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 5: falls forward. And there's nothing to suggest at this point

1301
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 5: that that won't happen. I mean, unless everybody gets injured

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Speaker 5: and he's the guy. He's not going to get two

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Speaker 5: hundred and thirty carries. He's going to be a complimentary piece,

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Speaker 5: and he's done that over the last four or five

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Speaker 5: years at a pretty high level in this league. And

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously the Bills losing Singletary, you know, I

1307
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 5: don't know if they're going to make any adjustments in

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Speaker 5: how they play offense. But you know, to me, they're

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Speaker 5: not a feature back offense in the sense that one

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Speaker 5: guy is going to get two hundred and eighty carries.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna play that way because I

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Speaker 5: don't think they have that guy. And I love James

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Speaker 5: Cook but he's not that guy.

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Speaker 1: Greg co Sell, senior producer of NFL Film, is one

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Speaker 1: of the best in the business. Greg, thanks a lot

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Speaker 1: for breaking down some of that film for us and

1317
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: giving us some of your thoughts on what you saw

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Speaker 1: in the Bills preseason opener.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Greg, appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: It was it was interesting here and talk about some

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Speaker 1: of those guys. I do want to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Latavius Murray real quick before we hit the brake,

1324
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Speaker 1: because he is a guy that I kind of thought

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Speaker 1: he's a.

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Speaker 4: Long shot to make this roster. You know, naim Hinz

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Speaker 4: goes down.

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Speaker 1: I know that they were going to play a much

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Speaker 1: different role, you know, in the offense and special teams

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: and stuff. But jam Hines goes down, and I think

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: Latavious Murray is the guy that probably saw his chances

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Speaker 1: at making the roster oh increase significantly for sure.

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Speaker 3: And what I think, like what I took from Greg,

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Speaker 3: the point that I think was the best part of

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Speaker 3: it was that he hasn't He's thirty three years old,

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Speaker 3: Latavius Murray, he hasn't had over two hundred carries since

1337
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. So you look at the age and say,

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01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 3: oh man, he's you know, has too much tried on

1339
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 3: the tires. But really he hasn't really gotten that much

1340
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 3: work over the last four or five years. And just

1341
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,479
Speaker 3: like Greg said, he's been between one hundred and twenty

1342
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 3: and one hundred and seventy carries, which is not very much.

1343
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 3: So his body hasn't taken the normal beating of a

1344
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: thirty three year old running back. And you're right. The

1345
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 3: two days that I was at camp, I was like,

1346
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: who's that tight end number twenty eight? I was like, Oh,

1347
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: that's Latavius Murray, like six to two till thirty. And he

1348
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: came into the NFL out of UCF as like this

1349
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: physical freakly he kind of looked like Adrian Peterson coming

1350
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 3: into the league. He's that taller back chiseled, so to

1351
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 3: come in with that level of athleticism not take a beating.

1352
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 3: I think he's probably one of the more explosive and

1353
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 3: still capable thirty three year old running backs that you're

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01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: going to see in the NFL today.

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Speaker 1: Listening to Utah, listening to Greg talk, one of the

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Speaker 1: things that is the common denominator seems to be consistency

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01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: and guess who loves consistency.

1358
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Speaker 4: Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, you give him a player that's consistent

1360
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: and talented, he'll like that's that's his prototype right there.

1361
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I wasn't sure how much tread

1362
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: was left on the tires, but he sure looks like

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Speaker 1: he's got some gas left in it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Going back to an earlier point that you mentioned that

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01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: when Damien Harris spoke at camp that he understands that

1367
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 3: he the rest of the running back room, they're there

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01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 3: to take some of the load off of Josh Allen,

1369
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Speaker 3: and you mentioned those critical situations where he doesn't have

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Speaker 3: to keep the ball on third and short or in

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Speaker 3: the red zone. I fit this into the last time

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Speaker 3: I was on, but I want to say it now.

1373
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Speaker 3: I found that during from twenty twenty until twenty twenty two,

1374
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Speaker 3: Latavius Murray inside the red zone has the highest yards

1375
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Speaker 3: per carry inside the red zone in the NFL, and

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Speaker 3: number two is Damien Harris. So that might be too elementary.

1377
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's you know, the analytics department is looking for

1378
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 3: more than just that. But I found that very interesting

1379
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: that there have been times you watch the Chiefs or

1380
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 3: doing all these crazy things in the red zone. You know,

1381
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes two of his touchdowns in the Super Bowl

1382
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 3: were just schemed, open, easy plays. A lot of Bills

1383
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 3: fans were like, Hey, why can't the Bills do that?

1384
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 3: It seems so hard in those tight quarters. With Latavius

1385
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 3: Murray at his size and his productivity in the red

1386
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 3: zone and Damien Harris, I think that will do exactly

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Speaker 3: what you mentioned. Harris talked about taking some of the

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Speaker 3: pressure off of Ken Dorsey and Josh Allen in those

1389
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Speaker 3: tight quarters inside the twenty and inside the ten.

1390
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and to connect a dot dalton Kin kid.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the areas that I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of us see him being very productive is deep down

1393
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: in that red zone because he's that big target. Now

1394
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: we're talking the difference between the past game and the

1395
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: run game, but I mean that's an area where you're

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01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: taking pressure off of Josh Allen and Ken Dorsey as

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean think about this.

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Speaker 3: You're in the red zone, you're the Bills this year,

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01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: you're on the five yard line. You come out in

1401
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 3: twelve personnel. You know, Dawson Knox has been a big

1402
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,479
Speaker 3: time touchdown producer for as much as he can drop

1403
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 3: some passes, he's not gonna be a thousand yard tight end.

1404
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 3: He's had a bunch of touchdowns early in his career,

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01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 3: So Josh likes looking his way. You mentioned Kinkaid. He

1406
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: can separate, he's a big body. You have Stefan Diggs,

1407
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 3: and then you have Latavius Murray, who's proven over the

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01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 3: last three years to be as efficient picking up yardage

1409
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: as any other back in the league, and Damien Harris.

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: Suddenly the defense is like, I don't know who we

1411
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: need to focus on. So I think that will make

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 3: things easier running that supposed twelve personnel that they're going

1413
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 3: to run more of and just having different targets for

1414
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, or maybe he just hands the football off

1415
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 3: and he doesn't have to dive forward and take a shot.

1416
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 2: I know he likes the shots, gonna like them, but

1417
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't think.

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 4: They have a quarterback built like a tight end.

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01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think Sean mcdermind or Brandon Bean

1420
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 3: liked those shots as much. But just if you visualize that,

1421
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: it just gives Josh Allen and Ken Dorsey just much

1422
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: more of an open playbook inside the red zone. To

1423
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 3: convert these really efficient drives into points.

1424
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 4: All right, let's take a quick break.

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: Coming up on One Bill's Live, will continue to take

1426
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: a look back at the preseason opener. The win against

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Speaker 1: the Colts twenty three to nineteen was the final from

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Speaker 1: that one. Stick around One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right back. Welcome back to One Bills Live.

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01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: Josh Reed, Chris Capasso sitting in for Chris and Steve

1431
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: and Maddie hanging out this afternoon coming off a preseason

1432
01:07:55,920 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: win against the Colts. We're gonna hit the tweet sheet

1433
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: presented by Corgan Moving Systems. Let's see what we got here.

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: Let's start off with Ed. He says, lots of offensive weapons.

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 4: For the Bills.

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01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: How's the touches gonna be divvied up this season? That

1437
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: is a good question by Ed, And I mean I

1438
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: think the easy answers to start at the top.

1439
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,440
Speaker 4: Digs a lot, yeah.

1440
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: Davis a little bit less than Diggs, and then it

1441
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: becomes okay, is it far fetched to think that Kincaid

1442
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: is gonna challenge Knocks for more targets? Because I think

1443
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: that's where you could start to get all right, I

1444
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: mean this is the first round draft pick, and I

1445
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: think it'll be close.

1446
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1447
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 3: No, I think with with Digs and Davis, you probably

1448
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: have about two hundred and fifty targets between them.

1449
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: I mean Diggs has been well above one hundred. I think, yeah,

1450
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: let's do.

1451
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 4: It this way.

1452
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the targets that they lost last year. Okay, Okay,

1453
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: who gets the right McKenzie.

1454
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 2: There's not a lot. There's not I mean Colby's late

1455
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 2: in the season, Johnny.

1456
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to your point, Devin Devin Singletary caught

1457
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 3: some passes out of the backfield, but it's not like.

1458
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: They totally revamped the entire unit.

1459
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: And to have that two hundred and fifty to almost

1460
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 3: three hundred between Diggs and Davis, you have to just

1461
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 3: kind of start there and subtract that from about six

1462
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 3: hundred passes. That's right where Josh Allen and like the

1463
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 3: elite passers normally are. But to your question, I don't

1464
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 3: think it's out of the realm at all that Dalon

1465
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: kinkaid out volumes. Let's say Dawson Knox, and I think

1466
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: Knox is that trusted guy and he'll start as that

1467
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 3: inside the red zone for Josh Allen. He makes those

1468
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: circus catches look easy in terms of just being that

1469
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 3: possession guy who can get open. And I've kind of

1470
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 3: hinted at this, like lean into that Cole Beasley chain

1471
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 3: mover role from the slot that could be Daln kin Kaid.

1472
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Speaker 3: Sixty catches for a rookie tight end, that's the benchmark.

1473
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 3: There's been like five in the last like twenty or

1474
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 3: thirty years who have gone over sixty catches, two of

1475
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 3: which have been over the last two years, Kyle Hits

1476
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: and Pat Fryarmouth. I don't think it's crazy to see

1477
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: Dalton Kinkaid be at that fifty five to sixty five

1478
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 3: or even seventy catch plateau.

1479
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: But to D's question, I think.

1480
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 3: It will really be dispersed after clearly having the number

1481
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: one be Stefan Diggs.

1482
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the next question. This one's

1483
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: from Faith. Go Barkley.

1484
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: Go.

1485
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 4: Also, Isabella greater than sign Shakir. Let's start with Barkley.

1486
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: We talked about the backup quarterbacks off the top of

1487
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: the show, but that's an hour and thirty minutes ago.

1488
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 4: Now, Matt Barkley look comfortable.

1489
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: He looked like a guy who's been in this system

1490
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: and and he moved the offense really well in the

1491
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: second half.

1492
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just to kind of this is low

1493
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 3: hanging fruit. But if Patrick Mahomes goes down, if Josh

1494
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: Allen goes down, like any team with an elite quarterback,

1495
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 3: is going to be a precipitous drop off with what

1496
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 3: your offense can do. And Josh Allen does a lot

1497
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 3: of things that he can, you know, pick up as

1498
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 3: if it's covered perfectly, if it's not the right call

1499
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: with his arm, with his athleticism. But I really think

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01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 3: and that number two quarterback role, and like you said,

1501
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 3: we talked about this at the jump, understanding not only

1502
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 3: just can door see what he likes to do, but

1503
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: these new wrinkles that he's throwing into the offense. I

1504
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 3: think what we saw from the preseason game, Matt Barkley

1505
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: has a leg up on Kyle Allen where if he

1506
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 3: did need to start for a game or two, and

1507
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 3: it was close last season for Josh Allen.

1508
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 2: I mean that Vikings game.

1509
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: We all thought going into the game that Josh Allen

1510
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 3: was not gonna play. Matt Barkley might be the one where,

1511
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 3: of course he's not extending plays he's not throwing at

1512
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: fifty yards on a line, but just operating the offense

1513
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 3: and being that game manager on a team that has

1514
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: an elite defense, you could maybe steal a win or

1515
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 3: two and that could be the difference in hosting a

1516
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 3: playoff game or having to go on the road in

1517
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 3: the second round.

1518
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: And Matt Barkley was in good spirits, as you can imagine.

1519
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: Following the game. We're set up getting ready to go

1520
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 1: live in our postgame show following following the game, and

1521
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: he comes. We're set up in the tunnel because he

1522
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: was gonna storm him again and he comes walking down

1523
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: the tunnel and we kind of waved, and he smiled

1524
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: and laughed, and he had one of his kids in

1525
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: his arms, and he's with all all the kids and

1526
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: his wife and he looks over and he goes, now

1527
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: back to my regular job, my day job, and he

1528
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: has and he's smiling, laughing, as you can imagine, Matt

1529
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 1: Barkley in good spirits. As for the Andy Isabella Khalil Shakir, look,

1530
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: they've got they've got a lot invested in Khalil Shakir.

1531
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 4: I mean a lot more than they do.

1532
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: And Andy Isabella so Khalil Shakira made a couple of

1533
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: really nice catches. I know that he had the drop,

1534
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: But he's a guy that Sean McDermott was asked about

1535
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: him in training camp, and that was a guy that

1536
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 1: Sean said that he really.

1537
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 4: Likes his consistency.

1538
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: And as long as he's got Sean's vote of confidence

1539
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's that's gonna go

1540
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: a long way.

1541
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 2: All right, Here's what I'll say on this.

1542
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 3: I think Shakir I've been a big fan of his

1543
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 3: since he was coming out of a boys state. Last year,

1544
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,440
Speaker 3: I thought the Bills got a steal in the fifth round.

1545
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 2: From everything that you just mentioned, I think that matters.

1546
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: The Bills are going to give him those opportunities with

1547
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: the ones and with the two sprinkled in, and I

1548
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 3: think over the next two weeks in the preseason, we

1549
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: will see him play a little better than he did

1550
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 3: in the preseason opener to not have a drop. Those

1551
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 3: two catches were very good, you know, away from his frame.

1552
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 3: But what I will say if I'm wrong on that,

1553
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 3: and if Shakir isn't getting open, not getting targets dropping

1554
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: the football, which I know he made a lot of

1555
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 3: great catches in camp, but also had some drops. If

1556
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:37,719
Speaker 3: Andy Isabella simultaneously continues to be that kind of spark

1557
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 3: plug even with the twos and the threes, the Bills

1558
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: at this point, like you mentioned at the like at

1559
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 3: the outside of the show, they're trying to win a

1560
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 3: super Bowl. They're not necessarily trying to play Kate someone

1561
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: because he was a fifth round pick and Andy Isabella

1562
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 3: was just brought in. We saw that last year that

1563
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: Christian Benford started over Kyrie Elam.

1564
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: They're gonna play the best player.

1565
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 3: So I really think, like we've kind of talked about

1566
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 3: in this show, the next two weeks, that wide receiver three,

1567
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 3: which is not a normal wide receiver three job is

1568
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 3: still up for grabs and that will be determined over

1569
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: these next two preseason games.

1570
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: All Right, The question we asked was what was your

1571
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: biggest takeaways from the Bills?

1572
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 4: When are the Colts?

1573
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: Here's another tweet, this one from David Middle, linebacker was invisible.

1574
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit in the break,

1575
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: so you're gonna like this topic. I would seriously consider

1576
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: having Milana Poyer or Hide call the defense and roll

1577
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,560
Speaker 1: with Dorian Williams and Matt Mulano.

1578
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 4: All right, we talked about that. Go ahead and fill

1579
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 4: in the listeners and viewers on some of your thoughts

1580
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 4: on this all.

1581
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 3: Right now, I'll start by saying this, Sean McDermott and

1582
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 3: his coaching staff know the system, no football schemes and

1583
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 3: job responsibilities for all the players much better.

1584
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 4: Than I do.

1585
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 3: In watching that game, I kind of had a moment

1586
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 3: where Matt or I think it was aj Klin was

1587
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: playing in the middle. Dorian Williams is clearly on the outside.

1588
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: He's close to almost being a slot defender. The run

1589
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 3: play came right at Dorian Williams as an outside player.

1590
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 3: He had to take on a block from Quenton Nelson.

1591
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: Like Greg mentioned, he didn't really take it on very well,

1592
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 3: was kind of pushed out of the play. That is

1593
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: a middle linebacker duty, and I feel like in today's

1594
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 3: NFL there's not much of a differentiation between middle linebacker

1595
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: and outside linebacker. Matt Milano has to take on block

1596
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 3: sometimes as well. I wouldn't hate to see Dorian Williams

1597
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 3: and Matt Milano on the field together to give the

1598
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 3: Bills as much speed as possible at that linebacker spot.

1599
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: Now I know McDermott was very adamant in camp. You

1600
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 3: heard him say this during his press conference that they

1601
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: were going to start Dorian Williams at the weak side

1602
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: spot outside because he doesn't really know all the responsibilities

1603
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: going from a very simple defense at Tulane. I saw

1604
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 3: a lot of quote unquote middle linebacker talent and skill

1605
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 3: from Dorian Williams in college. And I think with only

1606
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 3: two linebackers, technically no one's in the middle right and

1607
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: a lot of times teams are gonna run at that

1608
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 3: outside player with guards pulling to the second level. So

1609
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: I was a big fan of dorri and Williams, just

1610
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 3: like Greg was. I would like to see and maybe

1611
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 3: we won't because the Bills are trying to figure out

1612
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 3: who that middle linebacker will be. I think he can

1613
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 3: ultimately play technically an inside position next to Matt Malonel

1614
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: because they're kind of interchangeable. It's positionless football, you know,

1615
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 3: kind of spoke to that off air two. It's on

1616
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 3: offense we're seeing it, and on defense it's at the

1617
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 3: second level. There's not as many stringent positions as there

1618
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 3: used to be.

1619
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen it a lot on offense, and I

1620
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: feel like it's just trickled over to the defensive side

1621
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: of the ball, where it's all about getting the best

1622
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: possible match up with your unit versus the other team.

1623
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: All Right, The next one from the tweet sheet is

1624
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: from Connor.

1625
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 4: The wide receiver room has depth.

1626
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: There's yeah, no question about that. Shavers and Isabella were

1627
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: great and I think they can keep it up. Both

1628
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: of them can potentially work their way onto the roster.

1629
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 1: Shakiir's drop was definitely a flag. Made some great catches,

1630
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: but dropped an easy one that would have kept a

1631
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: drive going. I mean, Shavers is interesting. I think going

1632
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 1: a little bit beyond that, we already talked about Isabelle

1633
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: a little bit. Justin Shorter is somebody who haven't talked

1634
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: about a lot, but he is another He brings it

1635
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: like Isabella has a different skills set than some of

1636
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: these other guys.

1637
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he is the perfect Gabe Davis insurance.

1638
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 3: Whether that means just for this season, whether you know,

1639
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis gets injured, whether it's you know, the Bills

1640
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 3: aren't liking his production, or it's into the future where

1641
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,520
Speaker 3: if say, if Gabe Davis praises himself out of Buffalo

1642
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: Justin Shorter and Gabe Davis were almost used identically in college.

1643
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 3: They were boundary receivers who got down the field, got

1644
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: a lot of targets on post routes, on verticals. I

1645
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,799
Speaker 3: think Justin Shorter came into the league with better hands

1646
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 3: than Gabe Davis. He's a little bit bigger, so yeah,

1647
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: he definitely brings a different dimension. To kind of wrap

1648
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 3: up another question that we got about what was your

1649
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 3: biggest takeaway? It was first a defensive line, how well

1650
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 3: it played, and then the difficult decisions that I think

1651
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 3: Brandon Bean's gonna have at receiver, the back end of

1652
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 3: the roster with those big targets who all played very

1653
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 3: well in the preseason open.

1654
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1655
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, receiver is interesting because unlike offensive line and defensive line,

1656
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: where they seem to be pretty deep, and we've seen

1657
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: Brandon flip some of some of those guys who we

1658
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: would normally cut for draft capital, I don't think there's

1659
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: enough talent and the depth at wide receiver.

1660
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 4: They've got pieces there, and it's gonna be a.

1661
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: Good competition who takes that last wide receiver spot, who

1662
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: ends up on the practice squad. I don't know that

1663
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: anybody's talented enough though to trade for draft captain.

1664
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean, I don't think anyone like Desmond

1665
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 3: Patman or Marcel Ateman are going to draw, you know,

1666
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 3: a fifth or a sixth round pick.

1667
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: What is interesting, though, you mentioned the practice squad.

1668
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: It's now expanded out to sixteen players, and we saw

1669
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 3: last season during COVID. But we saw last season that

1670
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 3: it's important to be able to have those guys come

1671
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 3: up in a pinch if someone gets injured in practice

1672
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: or if an injury lingers a little bit longer late

1673
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: into the week. The Bills have such a weird schedule

1674
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: this year with a bunch of Thursday night and Saturday

1675
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 3: night games primetime games, that if you need someone like

1676
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 3: Tyrrell Shavers to come in and be able to hit

1677
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 3: the ground running, that's really important. Teams have leaned on

1678
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 3: the practice squad, I think since COVID a lot more

1679
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 3: than they used to. So even if a Desmond Patman

1680
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 3: or Marcel Aateman don't make the team, it feels like

1681
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 3: the Bills are gonna want to keep at least a

1682
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 3: few of those in stash them on the practice squad.

1683
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 4: All right, let's keep chugging down the line here. Next up, Steve.

1684
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,879
Speaker 1: We'll assume it wasn't Tasker, but this one, this tweets

1685
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: from Steve from the tweet sheet. The Bernard injury could

1686
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: not have come at a worse time, and Dorian Williams

1687
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: shining makes me second guess the Bills decision to keep

1688
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: him out of their going backer. I don't believe, man,

1689
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: the best eleven players are going to be on the

1690
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: field on defense.

1691
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 4: Well, we talked about the dor Williams. Let's focus on

1692
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 4: Terrell Bernard here.

1693
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: He was having a good camp, right, He was having a.

1694
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 4: Good camp, and I mean.

1695
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: By all accounts, I mean it was really neck and

1696
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: neck between him and Tyrrell Dotson for that starting job

1697
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: at middle linebacker. I don't think. And we were able

1698
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: to ask Sean about, you know, leaving camp. You know,

1699
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: actually I asked him, I said, hey, coming into camp,

1700
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: you weren't exactly sure where you were at a lot

1701
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: of these different starting spots. Leaving camp, where are you

1702
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: are you in a good spot? And he was like

1703
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: yes and no. He said, I wish somebody would have

1704
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: came up and just ripped the off or away from everybody,

1705
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: but it just never happened. One guy would have a

1706
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: good day, then the other guy would have a better day.

1707
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 4: That kind of thing.

1708
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: And he was speaking in generalities, not just the middle

1709
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: linebacker spot, but applying it to middle linebacker Treu Bernard,

1710
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: like this injury could not have come at a worst time,

1711
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 1: and this is basing it on Dorian Williams, and that

1712
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: could have come at a worse time for terreu Bernard.

1713
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 4: Now we don't know how bad.

1714
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: It is, but it's a hamstring, Chris, and that's never good.

1715
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, never good, especially for someone like Bernard, who is

1716
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: this springy, kind of quick twitch linebacker that is going

1717
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: to base a lot of his game and the strength

1718
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 3: of his game is that change of direction ability and

1719
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 3: that explosion. So if your hammy's not one hundred percent,

1720
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: you're not going to be as confident changing directions, and

1721
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: that's again the key to his game and how well

1722
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 3: he moves in space.

1723
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 4: From Jack moving down.

1724
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: The tweet sheet really liked Andy Isabella.

1725
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 4: It happens every year. He's like the cult hero for right.

1726
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: It happens every year there's a preseason hero. I mean,

1727
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: do you remember the Christian Wade train. Oh yeah, there

1728
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: was cruising down Orchard Park I mean there every year

1729
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: there seems to be a guy who just gets hot,

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01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: makes a couple of splash plays, and all of a sudden, he's.

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Speaker 4: The guy that you can't win a championship without.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, from Jacket says, really liked Andy Isabella.

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01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: He looked fast, agile, and showed the ability to get open.

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Speaker 4: He could be a nice addition to the receiving corps.

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Speaker 1: I think Barkley showed he can still be a capable

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Speaker 1: back up.

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Speaker 3: One other thing, I feel like we've talked as much

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01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 3: about Andy Isabella as humanly possible in this show. But

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01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 3: I mean he did play well. The one other area

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01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 3: that I don't think we have touched on. The only

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01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: area is that, Okay, he made three catches or he

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01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 3: had three catches for forty two yards, did return some kicks.

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01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: The one area that he could make this team just

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01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 3: be the returner. So it's not someone like Deonty Hardy, yeah,

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 3: or you know, even Mike go take that off their plate,

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01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 3: where let's say Deantay Hardy. They paid him a fair

1747
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 3: amount of money for what the Bills were shelling out

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01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 3: in free agency to be a receiver.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they liked the returnability.

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01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 3: But suddenly you don't have someone returning a kick then

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01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 3: having to line up on first down. That could be

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01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 3: where Andy Isabella if he, you know, hits a couple

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01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 3: longer kick returns or punt returns, how he can kind

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01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: of carve out a role for himself that could have

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01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: a ripple effect on the rest of the team.

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01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 4: Would like to thank Andy Isabella's family for all these

1757
01:22:55,720 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 4: tweets and yes, all this material. This one. The next

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01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 4: one is from Capose.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna say that right, Maybe I will,

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01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe I won't. Travon Howard's play to deny a two

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01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: point conversion towards the end of the game was awesome. Yeah,

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01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: and Sean McDermott talked about that yesterday, I believe it

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: wasn't in his press conference in his meeting with the media.

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01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 1: That was a really good play and it just it

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01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: got that sideline hype.

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01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: One of my not to get too far.

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01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: Off topic, but one of my favorite things about preseason

1768
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 1: is watching the starters and the stars on the sideline

1769
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: support the guys who are truly battling for a roster spot.

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01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about late in the game, the

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01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: starters and the Stars and the Josh Allens and the

1772
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: Deonna Dawkins and the Steph Diggs and Gabe.

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01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 4: They could Admitch and those.

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01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Guys could all be checked out right and just be

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01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: hanging out on the sideline and not caring. But you

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01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: see Poyer and Hide and all these guys, they get

1777
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: so fired up when these plays get it made. It's

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01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: just when you're sitting up in the press box and

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01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 1: you're looking down at this isline, you see it just yeah,

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01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it really is a cool, cool moment, and they

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01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: were I think that speaks to the Bills culture, which

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01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: we've heard it's like a buzzword, but I really think

1783
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: the culture is a little bit different here than most

1784
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: other teams, and it matters, and just that they were

1785
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: genuinely happy and it was a big play in the game.

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01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 1: If you were just looking at it as hey, like,

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: we don't care that it's a preseason game.

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01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: We're trying to win.

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01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 3: The Bills needed that stop to not make it be

1790
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: a two point game. The one thing on Travon Howard,

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01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 3: I'll say, and I'm always going to kind of go

1792
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 3: back to this at TCU, he was a super springing

1793
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 3: almost a Terrell Bernard, smaller linebacker, and he had the

1794
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 3: interception in the NFC Title Game to send the Rams

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01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl two years ago. Now, he was

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01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 3: a bottom of the roster player, but they had a

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01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 3: bunch of injuries. He was on the field in crunch

1798
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: time and helped send the Rams to that Super Bowl

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01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: two years ago. That doesn't mean that he's necessarily going

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01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 3: to make the team and be a starter or anything

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 3: like that. But this guy has played in some key

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 3: games and as that you know, those instincts that you

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01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 3: want along with the athleticism to make some plays in

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01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 3: the NFL.

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 1: All right, one last one, then we're gonna hit the

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01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: brake from Bill's News Consolidated.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I'm gonna like this one.

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01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh, Cyrus Torres deserves to get a second start at

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01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: right guard this week.

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01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 4: It's look, we've talked about it already.

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01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: I thought Osyrus played really well, held his own, did

1812
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: more than hold his own.

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01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 4: And I was I was watching for the misstep. I

1814
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 4: was waiting for it. I was, and I just I

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01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 4: haven't seen it.

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01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I think he's been really good all preseason, going back

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01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: through training camp. Ryan Bates when he got in the game,

1818
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:40,759
Speaker 1: it was not at right guard.

1819
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 4: It was at center for Mitch Morris.

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01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: Ryan Bates is a very capable right guard. Ryan Bates's

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01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: biggest strength though, is that he can play up and

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01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: down that offensive line and his versatility, and ironically it

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01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: might keep him from a starting job now well, Osiris

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: Towns also has to out play him for sure.

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01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's kind of the best case

1826
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 3: scenario for the Bills. He draft us Osiris Horns in

1827
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 3: the second round. If he wins the job, which they

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01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,639
Speaker 3: probably want him to do, you're not cutting the guy

1829
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 3: that he beat.

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01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: That.

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01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 3: Ryan Bates is going to be a very important piece.

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01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,719
Speaker 3: He played tackle at Penn State. He's played a little

1833
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 3: tackle early in his career with the Bills, but guard

1834
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 3: and center. To have that swing guy we know with

1835
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 3: the you know John Feliciano's you know a few years ago,

1836
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: the Bills really value that. The one thing I'll say

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01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,560
Speaker 3: specifically about Osiris Horns in what I watch of him

1838
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 3: early on, and I think Greg Cosel spoke to this,

1839
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 3: his arms got a little outside, maybe could have got

1840
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 3: was close to being called for a hold, looked a

1841
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 3: little out of sorts. Later in the game, he played

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01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 3: the whole first half, Like you mentioned, I thought he

1843
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 3: got a little more comfortable. So to that question, you

1844
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 3: want to see if in the second start he begins

1845
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 3: where he left off, where he was really dominating in

1846
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 3: the run game and in pass protection after he got

1847
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,759
Speaker 3: his feet under him for those first couple drives.

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01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Ryan Bates gets a lot of credit from his team

1849
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: about how smart he is. And I mean you can

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01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 1: imagine with all the different responsibilities up and down an

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: offensive line, especially center, where you were where you are

1852
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: the guy you know along with Josh Allen, like you

1853
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: have to be in lockstep. He gets Royn Bates gets

1854
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for how intelligent he is and

1855
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: being able to absorb that playbook and all the different

1856
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: spots and being able to just kind of be tossed

1857
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: out there in the fire to any of those places

1858
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: positions and keep kind of the train rolling down the tracks.

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01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna know.

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01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,799
Speaker 1: A lot this next preseason game based on who starts

1861
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: at right guard. Yeah sure, right, I mean if Osyrius

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01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 1: starts again, I mean, wouldn't you think that it's his job?

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01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 3: I mean, like, with only three preseason games, I don't

1864
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 3: know how you would start Ocirius Torrens again and then

1865
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 3: start Ryan Bates in the third one and then let

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01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 3: him play like you're giving Ocirius Torrens a chance to

1867
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,839
Speaker 3: finally grasp and it feels like he's very close to doing.

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01:27:58,680 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 4: That good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for all the tweets out there from the listeners

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Speaker 1: and the viewers.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Coming up on One Bills Live, We're gonna continue to

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01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: look back at the Bills preseason win over the Colts.

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Speaker 4: Stick around, we will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bills Live presented by Callid to Health,

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01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: Josh Reed, Christoph Passo. Bills win the preseason opener against

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01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: the Colts. Next up a road trip to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: We did not see Josh Allen in the opener. Sean

1879
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: McDermott has said that he will. He is planning on

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01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: playing him at some point in the preseason.

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01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 4: Could this be the week? Yeah?

1882
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 3: I think it makes the most sense to not have

1883
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: it be so close to that Monday night opener against

1884
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,560
Speaker 3: the Jets. You want to just see Josh Allen and

1885
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 3: Diggs on the field together. I don't think he needs

1886
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,439
Speaker 3: to play two or three snap or series just get

1887
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 3: the ball out of his hands in a hurry. No

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01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: run plays and let's see osirus. Torrens in a huddle

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01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 3: with Josh Allen.

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01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, Cyrus. Kind of hearing the cadence.

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01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Even it's small things like that, it will be interesting,

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01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Josh Allen Diggs. You know Tarren Johnson didn't get any

1893
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: snaps either. He was healthy, but he was a scratch

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01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 4: All right. For Chris Trapasso, I'm Josh Reed.

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