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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jale Lollie. He is Matt Williams and Matt. It's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful Wednesday here in Pittsburgh after well a couple

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Speaker 1: of really crappy days, and it's a maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: nice day in Pittsburgh because well, Omar Kahn pulled off

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Speaker 1: a little fleecing of the Los Angeles Rams on Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love it, we don't. I mean, the trade is

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Speaker 1: not completed yet. For the trade being for Allen Robinson.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Alan Robinson guy, but for what

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Speaker 1: they gave up for him, which was essentially nothing, right,

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Speaker 1: all right? You know I thought about it this way, Matt,

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Speaker 1: if Alan Robinson had been a free agent this year,

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Speaker 1: even coming off the year that he had last season,

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Speaker 1: with the injuries and everything, I think people around the

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Speaker 1: league would look at that a little differently. You know,

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget that the Rams just paid him money

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Speaker 1: last year, like big money.

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Speaker 2: Big money, right. I think that's a big aspect of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, one year ago, and nobody was killing the

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Speaker 2: Rams for it.

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Speaker 3: First of all, a.

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Speaker 2: Week from now drafted a Eve right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: So we are coming down on it, and got a

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Speaker 2: lot to talk about between now and then. Thank you, Omar,

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Speaker 2: everything got cheery. Why draft, as you said in town,

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Speaker 2: after making a trade for a Penn State guy that

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Speaker 2: has a great track record, and I even hesitate to

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Speaker 2: use the word trade, what'd you give up?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: You five million in cap space for a very established

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Speaker 2: wide receiver that I think fits in well and in

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Speaker 2: a way compared to what the Ravens did with Odell,

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Speaker 2: who was drafted this.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And Nodell might be way better this year, who knows,

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Speaker 2: Robinson might be shot. But the fact of what you

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Speaker 2: risked for, you know, comparables is night and day.

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt. I mean, you move back what twelve

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Speaker 1: picks in the seventh round? You take on five million

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Speaker 1: dollars in salar cup. The Ravens paid Odell Beckham, they're

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Speaker 1: paying it, Gonna pay him fifteen to eighteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: this year guaranteed too, guaranteed. Yeah, like if he.

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Speaker 2: Can't be the worst player there and say goodbye and

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Speaker 2: it doesn't cost you anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean I look at this as just

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Speaker 1: taking a risk on a player. Again, if it works out,

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Speaker 1: it does, And I think his fit Matt with the

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Speaker 1: Steelers is interesting. This is where I think it gets

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Speaker 1: because I think if you look at him as a

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Speaker 1: Miles Boykin type replacement without the special teams aspect of it,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take him. You're gonna put him in the

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Speaker 1: slot he being Robinson because they've shown they want their

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Speaker 1: slot receiver to block. That was one of the big

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Speaker 1: you know, Chase Claypool got better at it. I always

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Speaker 1: thought he'd be better than he was, but I thought, yeah, again,

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Speaker 1: I thought he would be better than he was at it.

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Speaker 1: He showed that it you know, notre Dame. He just

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Speaker 1: didn't seem to have that aspect of it. Eleanor Robinson

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Speaker 2: Oh, he's always like top of Pro Football focused wide

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Speaker 2: receiver blocking lists. I mean, year after year after year.

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Speaker 2: He takes pride in it. He's big, he's physical. So

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Speaker 2: I have to say this, like you and I talk

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Speaker 2: fantasy a lot during the year, and going into this season,

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Speaker 2: Robinson goes from the Bears Justin Field's rookie year to

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Speaker 2: the Rams and signs a nice contract, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: and none of us batter than I. No one was like, boy,

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Speaker 2: the Rams are stupid forgiving Robinson that much money. He

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Speaker 2: was worth it, he had a great track record. He

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Speaker 2: was twenty eight years old at that time. And I

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Speaker 2: looked at him at his last year at the Bears

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Speaker 2: and thought, this, poor guy. This offense is so dysfunctional,

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Speaker 2: and their line is horrific, and Fields as a rookie

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Speaker 2: is clueless, not even his fault. That staff is unbelievably predictable.

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Speaker 2: I did some research. He ran curls and slants like

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of his routes. Robinson, the whole world knew

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Speaker 3: Offense to watch.

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Speaker 2: And so going back to fantasy, I drafted Alan Robinson

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Speaker 2: everywhere going into this draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were huge on Alan Robinson last year, Love Love.

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Speaker 2: I quickly learned to hate him from a fantasy perspective

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Speaker 2: because he is a killer. I mean, I'm drafting in

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Speaker 2: doing nothing. He had a horrendous fantasy season, but really,

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Speaker 2: and I'm in a way making excuses for him, but

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Speaker 2: more of it is just me digging into what has

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Speaker 2: him all my fantasy team and treating him like any

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Speaker 2: other receiver in the league, because the stilo straded for

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Speaker 2: him this past year with the Rams couldn't have been

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Speaker 2: even more miserable than his last year with the Bears.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they had four quarterbacks. I think they started

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Speaker 2: the same offensive line twice through the course of the year.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Cup gets hurt. I mean, he didn't look good.

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Speaker 2: Nothing looked good. But I can't say I blame anybody.

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Speaker 2: And even when Stafford was healthy, he was one of

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Speaker 2: the worst quarterbacks in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was struggling with that arm issue.

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Speaker 1: With that, I believe it was a partially torn ligament

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Speaker 1: was all Cooper Cupp or nothing for them.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And so the area of the field where Robinson has

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Speaker 1: been at his best, which is those mid range passes

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Speaker 1: that ten to nineteen yards, which by the way, is

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Speaker 1: where the Steelers have been lacking in red zone. In

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Speaker 1: red zone, Stafford just wasn't throwing those consistently.

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Speaker 3: No, that used to be his specialty in breaking route.

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Speaker 3: Stafford drills it in there, you know.

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Speaker 2: To cup or whomever. Oh, he wasn't really capable. The

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Speaker 2: That was as miserable of offense as it was in

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Speaker 3: Robinson didn't help, you know.

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Speaker 1: But you know I heard Sean McVay a genius, right, right,

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Speaker 1: Go hire Sean mcvay's coordinators. Go hire Sean mcvay's guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Like it was bad, I mean really bad.

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Speaker 2: And the situation he was in the last two years

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Speaker 2: and the year before that he put up twelve hundred

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think some of the thing that people

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Speaker 1: who are killing the Steelers, and there's there's some, not many,

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Speaker 1: but there's some. Why would you want Alan Robinson? They

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Speaker 1: in to be their number one or even their number two. No,

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Speaker 1: but I got in as their number three. At best,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he may be horrible.

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Speaker 2: He might be the guy we saw two years ago

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Speaker 2: that was a really good player and like a Pro

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Speaker 2: two years is tough, but his style of play age

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Speaker 2: as well, and he's playing more and more slot as.

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Speaker 3: He gets older. He does block.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, A big worry for me as

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Speaker 2: much as who's the slot going to be is what

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Speaker 2: happens if Pickens or Deontae gets hurt. You know, I

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Speaker 2: think Robinson, we'll see what he looks like, would be

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Speaker 2: And I think as I'm penciling him in as a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think you know the plan here.

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Speaker 1: They don't know what they have in Calvin Austin at

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Speaker 1: this point. You can't. You don't know what you have

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Speaker 1: in Anthony Miller. He hasn't played consistently over the last

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Speaker 1: couple of seasons. So this is a CYA type move where, okay,

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Speaker 1: we got a guy here. Now if if Calvin Austin,

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Speaker 1: if Calvin Austin lights the world on fire, fantastic, Yeah great,

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Speaker 1: But if he doesn't, you've now got a fallback option.

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Speaker 1: At the very least, you know, when you go to

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Speaker 1: not saying you're going to have Alan Robinson out there

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Speaker 1: every time, but you're gonna want him out there quite

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Speaker 1: a bit when you're doing that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, him and Pickens will block you.

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Speaker 1: Right, They're gonna get that. And that's the other part

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Speaker 1: of this. Matt. I think his because of his style

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Speaker 1: of play over the course of his career. A combat

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think this was a move for Pickens as well, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: and has done it successfully in the league for a

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Speaker 1: long while, for a long time. Talk to him, get

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what Robinson or you know, is

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Speaker 2: like as a person. I've never heard anything bad. But

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Speaker 2: I do think having a veteran in that room is

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about Austin. You're excited about Austin at camp,

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Speaker 1: Seventy different things like my first It's it's almost like

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Speaker 1: when you when they were counting on san Quez Golsen,

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Speaker 1: those two you know those three years and he just

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Speaker 1: kept getting hurt, and he kept getting hurt. No fun, No,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't no fault of his own. He was a

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Speaker 1: second round draft pick. They had high hopes for him,

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Speaker 1: And he just hasn't done it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to be in those shoes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: and anything Austin gives you now is gravy. And he

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Speaker 2: may be really, really good, you know, and that's tremendous.

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Speaker 2: And I do think Miller. I think Miller is at

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Speaker 2: least unknown. I mean, he's been in the league long

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Speaker 2: enough that he's a slot. He's fine.

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Speaker 3: You can win get excuse.

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Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, you could win games with with Anthony Miller.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember back to last year a training

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Speaker 1: camp met. You know, we're we're watching those practices and

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Speaker 1: they were using Anthony Miller as a gunner and things

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Speaker 1: of that nature. And I thought he looked pretty good

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he gives you some of that that

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Speaker 1: special teams flexibility. They got some other guys that do

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Speaker 1: that as well. That's the one thing, the one issue

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Speaker 1: that you have with Robinson. He's not going to run

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Speaker 1: down on special teams for you. I wouldn't think Calvin

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Speaker 1: Austin isn't going to run down on special teams for you.

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Speaker 3: Right, You're a little short on special teamers now.

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Speaker 1: So those last two wide assuming he keeps six, those

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Speaker 1: last two wide receivers have to play special teams.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and certainly the last one that dresses on game

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Speaker 2: day does, which makes me think Boykin still could come back.

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Speaker 1: He could, he could, but maybe you keep a guy

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Speaker 1: like a Cody White. You know, people might look at

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Speaker 1: all this. Somebody listed all the Steelers, the receivers the

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Speaker 3: He might be more than an afterthought.

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Speaker 1: Because of his special team's ability gets some active on

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Speaker 3: Be around, and I don't think they'll draft one. Now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe things fall perfectly and you still get

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Speaker 2: rare for a rookie draftable wide receiver to have any

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Speaker 2: He's not going to be your gunner too.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, I disagree with you a little bit

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Speaker 1: This is like every other move that they've made when we,

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Speaker 1: this offseason, where Okay, we you know, these guys might

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Speaker 1: We're good. We got you know, we got guys at

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Speaker 2: If Mingo or Tillman's there in the third round, you

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Speaker 2: jump on them. Yea, Yeah, you might have reached for

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Speaker 2: him in the second, you know, a two days ago,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what this entire offseason has been about.

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Speaker 1: By setting themselves up in the drafting. Kevin always, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Right absolutely have to have in this draft.

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Speaker 2: And the difference is and I'm not saying Omar is

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Speaker 2: but he has cap space at his disposal, and the.

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Speaker 1: Ability helps a lot. Yeah, it's so.

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Speaker 2: Huge, you know, the Rams really are just unloading cap

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Speaker 2: you know, the last two years haven't been pretty, but

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Speaker 2: and he might be more than that. He may catch

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's a contested catch guy. He's he's

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Speaker 3: Yep, he beats up man coverage.

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Speaker 2: He's really good versus man coverage over the middle in

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it was Larry Fitzgerald, like it's.

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Speaker 2: But I mean he and Christian Hackenberg at Penn State,

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Speaker 2: And then he comes and gets drafted the same year

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Speaker 1: Well not only all of a sudden Stafford shows up

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Speaker 3: And then they played four different quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I said, he didn't even deal with those guys, And.

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Speaker 1: I think that was them just shutting him down, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, it's week eleven. We're terrible, right about Bryce

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Speaker 2: Perkins and John Wolford. Cops heard if Aaron Donald probably

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Speaker 1: You know, Like it was, they shut down a lot

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Speaker 1: It's it's all very interesting, though. I just you know,

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Speaker 2: I still am on the island that I think one

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Speaker 3: Other than that, it almost.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you there, but that does people don't

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Speaker 1: They want to know who the first pick is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like this is what they need. This is going to

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Speaker 1: in terms of and I think they I think that's

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Speaker 1: how they're looking at this, Matt, and that's why they've

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Speaker 1: this and said, all right, we're seventeen. The top three

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Speaker 1: but they might all be gone too. You know, if

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Speaker 1: it's an edge rusher, if it's quarterback, we're not taking

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Speaker 1: taking are. But they've made it so that they can

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Speaker 1: do a lot of different things with that pick.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I mean, I'm an outsider, I'm not in

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Speaker 3: Gonna get Kenny at twenty.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm feeling good about it, or I remember

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Speaker 2: not Trent Edwards, Troy Edwards, Tory Edwards. If they didn't

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Speaker 2: you mentioned this is your draft. You know, there's been

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Speaker 2: many of them where if they don't get this guy,

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Speaker 3: In this draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's guys i'd love to see at seventeen, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll be there. And I do think

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I think that's the way they've kind

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Speaker 1: I don't see them trading up again unless.

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Speaker 3: For Jalen Carter. But other than that, I have no interest.

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Speaker 1: Unless it's Jalen Carter, I'm not interested.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just think that that's just the reality of it. Hey,

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