1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: one of the most sought after executive producers in reality 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Once a 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: week from Reality with the King, we'll sit down with 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: my friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: shows and revisit unforgetable moments that we are still talking 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: and tweeting about. 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Hey, rain Drops. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, we have 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: to talk about breaking news. 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: It's a nanny nine to one one. 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: I can confirm that, yes, every single New Jersey Housewife 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: plus the friends child, Hey Jackie, has been acts to 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: come back to the next season of The Real Housewives. 16 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Of New Jersey. 17 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Now y'all know how I feel about this already, and 18 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: I have more to talk about, but I could not 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: do this episode alone. I am enjoyed by my girl, 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: who I love, love love. Her name is Sarah Gali 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: and she is the host of the very popular and 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: successful podcast called and These Girls, and she knows all 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: things Bravo and more. Please give it up, y'all, rain 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: Drops for my girl, Sarah. 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: Oh my God, The King and the dam again. I 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: could not be happier. A tale of two clophases. We 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: are ready, I mean, Carlos King, I can't tell you 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: a dream come true to be on the people's people's 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 3: couch here in my cough key key to really deep 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: dive everything with you. You are the one. You are 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: the one, so this is a thrill. Thank you so 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: much for having me. 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been anticipating my 34 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: response because I said on Everyone's podcast and cling my 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: own and wherever there was a microphone in a ring 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: light that I needed Melissa gone. I was very honest 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: about it. I've said that I don't want to see 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: a show with Teresa Melissa on at the same time 39 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm done. I said, either you keep Teresa and lose 40 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Melissa and put her on pause for a year, or 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: you keep Melissa and spin off Teresa Louis and the girls. Unfortunately, 42 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: no one listens to me like they never do, and 43 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 2: we see how that ends up for people. 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: But it is. 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: True, Sarah, everybody has been asked back before I give 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: you my deep dive opinion about it, which may surprise 47 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 2: some people or not. 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this, Sarah, Well, I. 49 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: Mean, similar to your thinking. There was a long period 50 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 3: of time where it wasn't even just my opinion, but 51 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 3: absolute expectation that it was seemingly impossible to continue the 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: story on New Jersey with both Tree and Melissa. To me, 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: it became less about and opinions of who you empathize 54 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: with most and more about just pure production logistics. Are 55 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: we going to see a season where the cast is 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: literally split in the worst possible way, where we can't 57 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: see group events or group dynamics, And honestly, now I'm 58 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: okay with it. I feel like they will figure a 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: way out. I honestly don't think that Teresa and Melissa 60 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 3: are the biggest hindrance to filming next season. I think 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: that there's somebody else who's going to have a bigger 62 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: impact in that, Oh, Louie. I think that there's going 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: to be a lot of difficulty with cast members wanting 64 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: to film with Louie. I don't think that it's about 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: Teresa and Melissa, or even Teresa and Joe. I think 66 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: that the last episode of the reunion was very bad 67 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: for Louie, which of course makes me concern for Teresa, 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 3: but like also for the cast moving forward, he threatened 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: everybody in the cast, like every time he took. 70 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: A allegedly, let's talk about this. 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: Literally literally literally potato otana. 72 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: But now listen, all jokes aside. 73 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: What is so interesting about all of this is the 74 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: fact that I have heard from a very reliable source 75 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: that allegedly Margaret Joseph has threatened not to film this 76 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: upcoming season of The Real Housewives in New Jersey if 77 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: Louie is a part of it. The reason being is 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: because as we all saw in the amazing three partment reunion, 79 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 2: that Margaret has alleged that Louie contacted her son at 80 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: his work, and they have the phone records to prove it. 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: And she said that not only did Louie contact her son, 82 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: that he. 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: You say, literally, I say, allegedly. 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: Threatened her son, and she doesn't want any involvement with him. 85 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: So I'm saying you are right in the sense of 86 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: that is what I'm also hearing. 87 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: One thing about The. 88 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: Real Housewives is at the end of the day, it 89 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 2: is about the women and their relationships. 90 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: Margaret is great. 91 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: For the show. She's a great housewife. I think Margaret's fantastic. 92 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: You got to be very careful when you threaten, allegedly threaten, 93 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: in this case, Margaret threatening not to film if somebody's 94 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 2: a part of it, because you don't want people to 95 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: call your bluff. So if that is true, Sarah, what 96 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: do you think about that? 97 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: Well? 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: Need I think that's an excellent point. I mean, BCC 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: the negotiations for legacy, because if you threatened to walk, 100 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: if you're not going to get what you're paid, Unfortunately, 101 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: even if you, I would argue, deserve it, they might 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 3: well walk. Like are you prepared for what's going to 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: happen if they take you at your word. It's hard 104 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: because I totally agree with what you're saying. I think 105 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: the worst possible thing his wife can do, aside from 106 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: one off moments when it's like spectacular, is to threaten 107 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: not to film. However, how much of that of what 108 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: Marge is saying is a threat versus a reaction? Like 109 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 3: how much of it is her just saying I hate 110 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: this person so I'm not going to film with them, 111 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: versus I am responding to how they behaved at the 112 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: reunion and what we are currently led to believe both 113 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: by Rachel the you know, questioning of what happened with 114 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 3: John Fuda's ex wife to what Louis himself was saying, 115 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: to the fact that he arranged for security to arrive 116 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: for his in Teresa's protection without informing production, Like, there's 117 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: a lot that happened that didn't make sense that Honestly, 118 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: I have a lot of empathy for Teresa about like, 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: I really I want her to be happy. I want 120 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: her to have her happy, happily ever after. But I 121 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: know so many huggers and people who are Team Tree, 122 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: who are like every alarm in my body is going 123 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: off about Louis. So I don't begrudge March for saying that. 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. 125 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: No, A lot of people feel like Louie is dangerous 126 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: in general. A lot of people have alleged that they 127 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: believe Louie is using Teresa. A lot of people have 128 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: been alleging that Louie is taking advantage of Teresa's fame 129 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: to create his own notoriety by being. 130 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Married to her. 131 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: I didn't watch last season of The Real House of Wasson, 132 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: New Jersey. I didn't see a lot of the Louie 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: behavior that a lot of people have saw to warrant 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: their opinions about him. I was very honest that I 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: have definitely communicated with Louie. From what I have experienced 136 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: with Louie, he has been nothing but a great person, 137 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: a great guy, very nice, very chill. 138 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: He loves Teresa. 139 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: That's my experience with Louie, and we all have our 140 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: own experience. So I'm not going to just mix up 141 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: that I haven't seen on the show, because I've been 142 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: very honest. I didn't watch the entire season because of that. Now, 143 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: based on what I saw at the reunion, I definitely 144 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: understand why. 145 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: People feel that way too. 146 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: But I also understand why people are saying, and I 147 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: said this too, Sarah. Okay, Margaret, if he threatened your son, 148 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: that is bad, and Louis should be condemned for that 149 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: one thousand percent, and I will stand by that. What 150 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: I questioned was why wasn't the receipt of the phone 151 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 2: record shown the way the text message with JaQuel Loreta 152 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: was shown as well? Is there some validity to it 153 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: or not? That was my questioning for that. But outside 154 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: of that, now that the entire cast is coming back, 155 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm gonna watch this upcoming season because 156 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: what I feel like is going to happen Sarah is 157 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: Teresa's over Melissa and what I hate from a show 158 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: that I've experienced, and I'm gonna give you guys some examples. 159 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: There is nothing worse than having main casts not speak 160 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: to each other for multiple episodes. I don't know if 161 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: you guys know this season four of the Real Housewives 162 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: of Atlanta, Niini and Kim did not speak for the 163 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: entire season. And at that time in my career, I 164 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 2: was a supervising producer. I was brought up on that 165 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: show as being Niini and Kim's producer. I was the 166 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: closest to Ninie and Kim, and I could not merge 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 2: these two people together. I could not forge a conversation. 168 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: It damaged that season. Neie and Kim not speaking made 169 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: Season four of The Atlanta Housewives, in my opinion, one 170 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: of the worst seasons of Atlanta because you have these 171 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: two big stars whose friendship we loved, did not even 172 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: say a hello to each other. With Melissa and Teresa 173 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 2: coming back, Sarah, Teresa, She's not going to talk to Melissa. 174 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: No one can force her to do. It is going 175 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: to be a very word season. And I'm going to 176 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: say this, and y'all may be mad at me, I 177 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: think it's very shortsighted to bring everybody back, because I 178 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: think we're all yearning for something different, and. 179 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: Yet it feels like there would be a piece missing, honestly, 180 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: potentially if Teresa or Melissa were gone. And I know 181 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 3: that doesn't make any sense. And I was one of 182 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 3: the maybe few who really appreciated this season. I know 183 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people were exhausted and over it, and 184 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: I completely understand it, and I wonder, honestly, how much 185 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: of my interest in it, like I was really all in, 186 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: how much of my interest in it was because I 187 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: assumed this was the last season with Teresa and Melissa. 188 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: I watched the finale, the wedding special, the three part reunion, 189 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: because I said, I want to be a part of 190 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 2: history where I get to see how Melissa and Teresa's 191 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: friendship ends. And I was, I'm going to be very 192 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: honest with you all. I was satisfied with the ending 193 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: of the story. I thought Melissa had her best reunion ever, 194 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: and I thought it was nice to see the ending 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: chapter of this story. 196 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: And I also think this conversation is incredibly important because 197 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 3: so often there the standum on social certainly really truly 198 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: becomes like its own individual archetype, and there is this 199 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 3: idea because it feels like a reality that tree huggers 200 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: and Gorgita crunches as we are known, which was named 201 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: by our friend Evan Real of page six. And I 202 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 3: say that noting that there have been times with Teresa 203 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: during Strippergate, during those Tucker seasons where it was difficult 204 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: for me to watch her because I thought, you know, 205 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: the thing with Teresa is her capacity to really understand 206 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 3: on an emotional perspective another person's experience or opinion has 207 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: been very complicated for her, just in my humble opinion. 208 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: That being said, I can disagree with Teresa's behavior and 209 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: absolutely still want the best for her. And I can 210 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: disagree with Teresa's behavior and also say that the original 211 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 3: sin needs to be resolved between Teresa and Melissa and 212 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: joining the show, which is not to say that they 213 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: had a great relationship. It's not to say that this 214 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: was entirely subterfuge, although obviously you would have a lot 215 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: more to say about that, literally, not allegedly. But with 216 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: that being said, I think that there is some nuance 217 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: here of steps that could be taken so that Teresa 218 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 3: feels heard, and I don't know if the same can 219 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: be said for Melissa. I don't know that Teresa has 220 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: that capacity. I think the olive branch always has to 221 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: be extended to her first. But some of that might 222 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: be because of the original sin, because of Teresa feeling 223 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 3: like she was misled and manipulated in how her brother 224 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: and sister in law joined the show. I have the 225 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: capacity personally to find a lot of nuance in Gray 226 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: in this, but I also think Melissa at the union 227 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: was like a fucking superstar egot level performance. I thought 228 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 3: she was on fire. It was like giving go girl, 229 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: give us nothing, which I was into. 230 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: Okay, now, Sarah, I have to ask, are you telling 231 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 2: me that you are looking forward to seeing the same 232 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: CAZ next season. 233 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: I am telling you that based on Melissa's performance, it 234 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 3: would make no sense for her to leave at this point, 235 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: and if they don't want to cut Tree and have 236 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: her be on a spinoff, because I think Louie has 237 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: an impact in that and I think he lost a 238 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: lot of people by his behavior at the reunion, which 239 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: didn't make sense. And I do just have to circle 240 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: back on one little thing you said, which was a 241 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 3: question about Marge not having a screenshot that feels comparable 242 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: to like the actual phone record. The important thing there 243 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: to me is that Teresa and Louie both acknowledged that 244 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: it was his phone number, which is why the little 245 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: action after of like Teresa being like, oh my god, 246 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 3: someone's calling me right after texting on her phone being like, look, 247 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: this is an example of how someone could call from 248 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: someone else. It's like, I don't think that Teresa and 249 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: Louie were questioning that somehow magically someone called from Louie's 250 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 3: phone number, So I think that's important, Like, if they're 251 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: not questioning the fact that that happened, we should believe 252 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: them in that sense. It's just a matter of Louie 253 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: taking responsibility for it. 254 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: If he did it, condemn him. 255 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: And I mean that, And I'm going on a record 256 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: saying that nobody should threaten someone's child. 257 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't care if they're eighth, eighteen or eighty eight. 258 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: They did not sign on to do the show, and 259 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: I think that's something that is gross and I'm never 260 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: going to waiver from that. So I want the world 261 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: to know if Louis did that, it's gross, and if 262 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: Margaret is saying because he did it, allegedly. 263 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: And that she doesn't want to film. 264 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: Look, I will say this, nobody wants to feel like 265 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: you're giving them an ultimatum. It's not going to end 266 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: well for you. People don't like ultimatums. It doesn't end 267 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: well for you. The other thing that's not ending well 268 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: in terms for me, Sarah, is the fact that Jersey 269 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: to Me was one of the best franchises in the world. 270 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm disturbed, quite honestly, because it's okay to get rid 271 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: of Lisa Rena. 272 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: It's okay to put her on pause. 273 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 2: It's okay to put Derenda on Pauls. It's okay to 274 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: put Tamra on Pauls. It's okay to put kenyam Moore 275 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: on Pauls. These women who are iconic and deliver. Why 276 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: is it okay for these other women who are iconic 277 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: If you agree to be put on palls and you 278 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: mean to tell me we can't at least say let's see, 279 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: let's just see what a season could be like without 280 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: one of them. 281 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: And I hear you, But I think the difference there, 282 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: certainly in those samples, which I think are important, is 283 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 3: that when you look at Dirinda's last season when you 284 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: look at Rena's last season, if you look at Kenya's 285 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: last season, if you look at Nini's last season, there 286 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: is a common denominator, which is not even the relationships 287 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: with other people, but a certain element of like over 288 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: it darkness, especially with Dorinda, who truly couldn't acknowledge misbehavior 289 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: because within the storytelling of that season it was directly 290 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: connected to her drinking, which she refused to acknowledge. With Renna, 291 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: she was just doing too fucking much and it was 292 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: almost unwatchable. And with Tamra, it felt like she had 293 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: reached over the very very top of whatever boiling a 294 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: point would have occurred where it's like, this isn't driving 295 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: us forward. And it's not to say these aren't spectacular housewives, 296 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: it's just to say that it felt like they needed 297 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: to ease or be put on pause. And Andy said, 298 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: Derenda's the only one who really was or let go 299 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 3: with Renna and Tamra, who who honestly is a superstar 300 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: for fucking acknowledging it and being like, yeah, I was 301 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 3: fired and now I'm back, but I was fired. I 302 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: think with Melissa, it's it's a question of relationship and circumstance, 303 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: which isn't to say that's not an issue, but it's 304 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: to me not about her actual behavior. It's not that 305 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: she's in a state of denial or a state where 306 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: it's like, there's no coming back from this right now 307 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: because you're doing too much. I personally don't see that. 308 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 3: It doesn't take away from the like, how the fuck 309 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: are we moving forward if these two people literally are 310 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: dead to each other. I don't have an answer for that. 311 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 3: But I did think that the Lewis stuff, aside the 312 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 3: reunion was still really fascinating and obviously really sad, and 313 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: I don't it's it's a question mark. Maybe there's some 314 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: idea or maybe there's an understanding with Teresa and Maliss 315 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: where it's like we'ren't neither of us want to say 316 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: no to the fame, to the celebrity, into the paycheck, 317 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 3: and so they're just gonna have to figure something out. 318 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: Outside of Kenya. I didn't feel like Kenya's last season 319 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: she jumped the shark. But I do agree with you 320 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: about Tamra, Lisa, Morenda and Derenda about their last seasons 321 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: before they would put on palls, it was sort of 322 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: jumped the shark ish. It was sort of like they 323 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: became a caricature of themselves, a little bit breaking the 324 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: fourth wall and feel like I'm the star and behaving 325 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: that way. With that being said, do you think Teresa 326 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: should be put on pause? 327 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought I thought that. I always 328 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: assumed that there were two housewives. I think, and I 329 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: could probably still argue this that have for reasons relating 330 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 3: to seniority or just having a foundational role in a 331 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: franchise would not to me be let go in any 332 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 3: way in the mere future. And I would say that 333 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,479 Speaker 3: for Kyle and Teresa that I just think, say what 334 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: you want about Kyle. She's not an alpha. She's a 335 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: very strong and she is at the foundation of the 336 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I think Kyle's in 337 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: my top five. But regardless of that, I think that 338 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: she's foundational. Teresa's not in my top five. I can 339 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: acknowledge she's really fucking important for the history of housewives, 340 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 3: and I can also say that she deserves I think 341 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: she deserves to stay on the show. Like you can 342 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: respect someone's history and power and the gifts they've given 343 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 3: to housewives and also say I don't know that there's 344 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: a future for them moving forward. I wouldn't say that 345 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 3: about Teresa, but I do think as someone who is 346 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 3: appreciative for Teresa that at a certain point it can 347 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 3: be difficult to watch her refuse to like listen and 348 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: have capacity for someone else's opinion if it is in 349 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: direct contrast to her own. That can be tough. That's 350 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: also maybe what makes her a good housewife is like 351 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: the refusal to acknowledge that that's still going to be 352 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 3: tough for me. But but you know, I don't think 353 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 3: that Teresa or Melissa should necessarily lose their job. As 354 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: in watching the reunion in its entirety, I really. 355 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: Don't stay tuned. 356 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: We look into this conversation right after these quick ass 357 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: This show is sponsored by Better Help. 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That's rocketmoney dot com slash r 395 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 2: w t K. This is Reality with the King, and 396 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Sarah, 397 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: I have to ask you this, speaking of networks and 398 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: executives not lacking aultimatums, do you think by Teresa telling Melissa, well, 399 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 2: I'm glad this the last time I'm going to see you, 400 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 2: and Melissa's like, where are you going? She said, Oh, 401 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere, honey, you are She said, oh really, 402 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: I am kind of intimating that one of us has 403 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: to go. And Teresa even went as far as saying, well, 404 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 2: you know, people are saying the show can move forward 405 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: with the two of us, and Andy sort of made 406 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: a face. 407 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: Right. 408 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: Do you think that statement made the network think, even 409 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 2: if we were thinking about maybe putting Melissa on pause, 410 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: we can't make it seem like Teresa have the power 411 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: to initiate it. 412 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 3: I don't think that ultimately any decision about Melissa's future 413 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 3: would have been decided by that moment alone. I think 414 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: that moment became illustrative for people because it was Melissa 415 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: had a very quick, smart ass response, and because it 416 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 3: was a moment that exemplified a lot about this date 417 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: of their current relationship. That's why people latched onto it. 418 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: But I absolutely don't think for a single moment that 419 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: that was the reason that Melissa's back. Similar by the 420 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: way to me to Carol saying to Andy, you're scared 421 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 3: of her to Bethany, like that was an iconic moment 422 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: that was illustrative. That moment is specific in and of itself, 423 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 3: because I do think it pissed off Andy, but I 424 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 3: don't think that's why Carol wasn't has back, like something 425 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: could become an example and not be the reason. And 426 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: this is to me kind of what that was illustrative 427 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 3: of the relationship, but not a directional to anybody in 428 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 3: a position of power casting. 429 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: Her Otherwise, Teresa looks at Melissa as if she was 430 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: the judge who sentenced her to camp. Teresa never loved 431 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: Melissa ever, and the way Teresa looks at Melissa. I 432 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: don't think the constant notion of saying hey, it is 433 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 2: about the check. I think think it works season three, 434 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. 435 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: And I just think Teresa at the point now where 436 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: it's like I was a professional, I did my job. 437 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: I did everything you guys asked me to do. I'm 438 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: telling you physically, physically, I can't even look her direction. 439 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,239 Speaker 2: So if you force them in a scene together and 440 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 2: you forced Teresa talk to her, You're going to see 441 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: like and that's my concern Sarah watching, it will feel 442 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 2: like you guys are forcing these women to converse and 443 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel natural. 444 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: And that's my concern for the show moving forward. 445 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 3: I think you're spot on. I think that is, honestly 446 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: a little bit of an AHA moment, what you said 447 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: about Teresa looking at Melissa and seeing honestly the face 448 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: of the judge who sentenced her. I think that there 449 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: is something very spiritually to be said about that, and 450 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: I think that's concerning. I don't know how much of 451 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: that has to do with Melissa's behavior. I think a 452 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 3: lot of that starts with Teresa. The fact that at 453 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: this point one hundred years later, we are still litigating 454 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 3: who sent Teresa to camp when the answer is so 455 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 3: fucking obvious that I think Andy was in a place 456 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: of shock. When it's like Joe, who Teresa even said, 457 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: wasn't trying to hurt me, but maybe he was out to, 458 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: you know, screw with juicy Joe. Joe Gorga did not 459 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: send her to jail. Her husband did. Her husband betrayed her, 460 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 3: her husband deceived her. So when we start to conflate 461 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 3: what happened with the Gorgas joining the show and who 462 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: is responsible for some of the biggest heartbreak of her life, 463 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: losing time with her parents, losing her marriage, having to 464 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 3: survive as a single parent and provide for her kids 465 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 3: and payback taxes and everything else that is not on 466 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: Joe Borga. So when we get into a conversation of 467 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: you didn't film with me, I only you know, let 468 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: you come to the prison when the contracts were signed 469 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: for the spinoff and you didn't film with me, and 470 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 3: putting food for the kids on the table. I get 471 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: some of Teresa's upset there, but it feels like there's 472 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 3: a lot of misplaced anger and rage. And I say 473 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: that noting that, as you just said really eloquently and correctly. 474 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 3: I think when it comes to having faith, Theresa never 475 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 3: had faith in Melissa like she did in Jacqueline, like 476 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: she did in Caroline, like she maybe did in Daniel 477 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: Stop for three seconds, Like, you can't lose the faith 478 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 3: if you never had it, which doesn't mean that another 479 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: person's behavior can't hurt you. But the stakes were much 480 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 3: higher for her friends because she really did consider them family. 481 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: So like your spot on there and the thing that 482 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 3: I talked about on Andy's Girls, which is a pot 483 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 3: all about the psychology behind the housewives, is how I 484 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: don't think this is in any way realistic, and I 485 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 3: don't know what it would actually do long term, but 486 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 3: I think short term, if there was a conversation but 487 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: and this is imaginary, this isn't gonna I under I 488 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: acknowledged this like exists in my head, this is my 489 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: own spirit arsenal. But if it was possible to have 490 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 3: not Louis there, but Teresa in a room with Teresa 491 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 3: and Melissa, or Teresa and Melissa and Joe, maybe just 492 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 3: Teresa and Melissa and have a conversation where maybe Melissa says, listen, 493 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: we were in a shitty dynamic as sisters in law 494 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 3: before I'm not going to get into it. We can 495 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: have a conversation about whether I went behind your back 496 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 3: to join Housewives. That's the original sin. What I can 497 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 3: acknowledge is, regardless of who facebooked whom first, I understood 498 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,959 Speaker 3: that me joining the show would fuck with you. I 499 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: think we could move forward a little bit, and to me, 500 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 3: as a Gorgiana Crunch, that's not me thinking that Melissa 501 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: is the devil. That's me thinking that these are two 502 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: people who are already in a toxic dynamic as sisters 503 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: in law, and Melissa understood that joining the show is 504 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: going to upset her sister in law, and she did 505 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: it anyway. I don't think that makes Melissa the devil. 506 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: I think that makes Melissa someone who sees an opportunity. 507 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: But until they get to that point and figure out 508 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: a way to meet in the middle with the original sin, 509 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 3: how Melissa joined the show, I don't know that we 510 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: can get anywhere else. 511 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing I agree with you, I said. 512 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: I said, if Melissa would have said, look bitch, I did, 513 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: if we were friends, I'm sorry, let's move on. I've 514 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: been but guess what, honey, I've been on the shop 515 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: for ten years, kiss my ass. 516 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: I would have been like, yes, m low, now. 517 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Go perform with go perform with Shakira at the super Bowl. 518 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 2: Bitch like work, But I got it, so by in 519 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 2: closing of that particular section, I agree with you one 520 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: hundred percent, Sarah. 521 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: But this the gag. 522 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: I don't care to hear y'all talk about that shit anymore. 523 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: I'm over it, like I want to move on from it. 524 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: So I guess we'll just have to see, Sarah. 525 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: Can I just say one little ps, of course, which 526 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: is circling back a little to something that I have 527 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 3: acknowledged once or twice, But I do just want to say, 528 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: and this be too cynical of me, but I also 529 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 3: think it's obvious and very realistic. The best case scenario 530 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: for Teresa right now is for Joe and Melissa to 531 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 3: return to the show, because if Joe and Melissa were 532 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: not on the show and Teresa was, all of the 533 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 3: attention next season would shift to being on Louie because 534 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: there is so many questions. There are so many questions 535 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 3: about them about him. He did not behave well at 536 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: the reunion, and people are genuinely concerned. I don't think 537 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: Teresa or Louie, regardless of whether or not there's any 538 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: merit to that, I don't think they would want that 539 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: to happen. So to have Joe and Melissa on might 540 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 3: still include Louie conversation, but it wouldn't be all hands 541 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: on deck eighteen different arsenals looking directly at him. And 542 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: I know that's a difficult pill to swallow, but so 543 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: is Louie. 544 00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: So I mean consider it vitamin g like how not 545 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: viden bit Gorgita crunch. 546 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: Oh, Sarah, you are a so look again, And guys, 547 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 2: I want to say this on the record, so listen up. 548 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: Quite the music, quite everything. 549 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: Do don do, dun do dun If next season is good, 550 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: I'll be the first bitch to acknowledge it, admit it, 551 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: and would eat some humble pie because I'm. 552 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: Always going to be honest. 553 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: I am telling you, guys, I am going to watch 554 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: the first episode. That's the best I can promise you. 555 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: Rain Drops, Carlos King the first is promising on my 556 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: national platform that I will watch the first episode of 557 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: the upcoming season of The Real House, Washing New Jersey 558 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: and Baby. 559 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: If you guys don't hook me into something. 560 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: New and fresh, then I'm out. 561 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: I was out after two episodes last season. 562 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: So I'm a man of my word, and if I'm wrong, 563 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: I will come back on this podcast. Make me some 564 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: plant based humble pie, and eat that motherfucker in front 565 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: of everybody. 566 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: Okay, we love. 567 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: A gluten freek craft. 568 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: It would be crunchy lack of orgita. Now, Sarah, before 569 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: I let you go, my love. The Real Housewives of 570 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: New York City reboot premiered recently. We're going to recap 571 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: that much later this season. But you just so happened 572 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: to have gone to the premiere, the rid carpet premiere 573 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: that featured the new cast, Andy Cohen, some other Bravo celebrities, 574 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: I believe. Can you tell us what happened at this 575 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 2: rick carpet invite only premiere party. 576 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 3: So I was fortunate enough to attend the premiere party, 577 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: which was last night at the Rainbow Room here in 578 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: New York City, extremely bougie affair. It was like a 579 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: lot of fun. All of us got a absolutely slashed, 580 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 3: like full on turtle time with shamps. Andy was mingling 581 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: with the crowd throughout the night. The cast was mingling. 582 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 3: I did use my go girl, give us nothing in 583 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 3: conversation with Jenna Lyons, who I was like, you're the 584 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 3: reason I wore schambre and a pencil skirt when I 585 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 3: interviewed Kristin Tapan and she said, you know, this season, 586 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a little bit of a dud. 587 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: And I said, no, Jenna, we want that, Like, go girl, 588 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: give us nothing. I literally said that to her in 589 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: a group of people. I was like, yes, Queen. 590 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 2: Like, don't deliver, Like, let's see what. 591 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: That energy is like, Like, we don't always need an alpha, 592 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: we need someone maybe to be a little tapped out. 593 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's an under promise. 594 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure. But unfortunately word has gotten out 595 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: of a little unfortunate occurrence, which is that one of 596 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 3: the cast members fell ill on the red carpet. Jessel 597 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 3: had flown I guess all night from Australia and hadn't 598 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 3: slept and was very tired, and unfortunately was sick on 599 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: the red carpet and in the bathroom. Because I think 600 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 3: her body like it wasn't being drunk, over served or anything. 601 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: I think she just had a little tummy situation. Or 602 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 3: what else. And I just was like, oh my god, 603 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 3: and this is your introduction to the press, and like 604 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 3: such a big night in your life. And she really 605 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: was sick. I'm gesticulating with my hands a little bit, 606 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 3: like on the red carpet and they had to direct 607 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: people around it while they were cleaning up. I felt 608 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 3: so badly for her, and I said to a friend 609 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 3: who works at Bravo, I was like, take my electrolytes, 610 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 3: because I always have emergency gatory zero. I was like, 611 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: I have different flavors and she wants great if she 612 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: wants cherry, like I'm for our girl, Like make sure 613 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: she is allectually. Yeah, poor poor jos. I think she 614 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 3: left early understandably. 615 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, what the cast? Nice? 616 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to spend time with Brynn, who's essentially 617 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 3: America's sweetheart. Every the entirety of this used to be 618 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: gay Twitter but is now gay threads. Every single person 619 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 3: I know is obsessed with Brinn and her tabline. 620 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: What is it? 621 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 3: If you make me mad, I'll date your dad? Are 622 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 3: you kidding me? That's beyond iconic she was. And also 623 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 3: they all looked so hot, like they were dressed to 624 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: dress sparkles everywhere, I mean, and I spent a while 625 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 3: talking to Tony Danza, who was. 626 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: There Diaz on TV Daddy from just like that, you 627 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: mean to tell me Shay das Dad Tony Danza. 628 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 3: Tony Danza was there, Like why am I here? Tony 629 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: Danza was there? Wait, You're gonna die. Carlos has literally 630 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: bent over with you, saying, Carlos, You're gonna die. Do 631 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 3: you know who else was there? This is like so random, 632 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 3: but I was delighted. Eve Plum, who played Jam on 633 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 3: the original Brady Bunch, was there in like a triple 634 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: strand of pearls and like a bouclet, like little jacket 635 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 3: or something. It might not a bit bouclet, but it 636 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 3: was like tweet or something. 637 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I tell me, Jam from the Brady Brunch 638 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: was actually at the premiere of the reboot of New 639 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 2: York City Housewives. 640 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: I was like, so lovely to meet you. Great American 641 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 3: history and like how do we find ourselves here? Like 642 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 3: how how did this happen? And I think she was 643 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 3: with someone or so, I don't even remember, but it 644 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: was it was wonderful and just like that, I mean, 645 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 3: so many cameos from it has to be an indicator 646 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 3: of a good season band television history. There who's the boss, 647 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 3: Marsha Marshall. 648 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 2: Marsha Okay, I brought out all school versus news school, 649 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: all school new school, That's what was happening. So well, girl, listen, 650 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 2: I have to invite you back to recap one of 651 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: the episodes of the reboot of the Real Housewives of 652 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 2: New York City, just to see if we think is 653 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 2: living up to the standard of its predecessor. But before 654 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: I let you go, please let the world know, my 655 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 2: sweet pea, where I can find you, follow you and 656 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 2: support your amazing, very successful podcast. 657 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 3: Well, first off, Carlos King, you are a recent co 658 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 3: host on Andy's Girls, and it was a literal bucket 659 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 3: list moment for me because all for alcoholics know that 660 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 3: you have an important place in history. You're a part 661 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,879 Speaker 3: of the cannon, and you're also incredibly generous and supportive 662 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: as you know a podcaster in this universe. So I 663 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 3: can't thank you enough for having me on. I absolutely 664 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,399 Speaker 3: feeled over the invitation and truly there is no one 665 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 3: I would rather deep dive with. And also, Pis, I 666 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 3: have so many questions for you about Atlanta, So I would. 667 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: We got to do nothing of that. 668 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 2: I mean, I. 669 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 3: Really truly have about forty five questions for you about 670 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 3: the future and your experience and your thoughts. So anyway, 671 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 3: all this to say, a total thrill to be in 672 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 3: the presence of the King and listeners Raindrops can listen 673 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 3: to Andy Scrolls, a semi weekly podcast deep diving all 674 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 3: about the psychology behind the Housewives, which we consider a 675 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 3: mix of c Span and ion Leaf Fix My Life 676 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,760 Speaker 3: whereever you listen to your favorite podcast, and I also 677 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,280 Speaker 3: do a segment called Taking It Personally where I apply 678 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 3: that idea of talking psychology and connection through TV to 679 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 3: non Gravo TV, which you can listen to once a 680 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 3: week on the same feed and follow me on Instagram 681 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 3: at Dame Gali. 682 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. 683 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 2: New episodes drop every Tuesday, Share, comment, follow, and subscribe 684 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: to Reality with the King. 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