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How do you get here today? 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Friday E This as we await new details from the 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,959 Speaker 1: mayor's office about potential guidelines for phase two of reopening 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the nation's capital, and the latest in terms of the 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: protests and the military presence here in Washington, d C. 15 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: Republicans still backing President Trump twenty four hours after the 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: Secretary asper President Trump conversation in the Overlaw. We've got 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: every angle covered. We're also going to check in on 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: geo politics. Eli Lake joins us. The famous Eli Lake 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: is going to join us too, but lots to get 20 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: through following UH tonight, as the city continues onward amidst 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: a week that has been marked by protests, a meek, 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: a week that has been marked by military presence from 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: the National Guard here in the nation's capital. We're going 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: to talk about Republican reactions to this, talking about the 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: twenty implications and the policy implications, and the policy is 26 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: where I want to begin tonight with my colleague Justin 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: Sink Bloomberg, White House reporter Justin Yesterday I spoke with 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: Congressman Denver Riggleman, a Republican from Virginia here on this program. 29 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: But I've also been speaking with members UH in the 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: Republican Party and staffers throughout the past couple of days, 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: and they seem to indicate that they would be willing 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: to get behind some structural policy proposed to help reform 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: UH the police, the police departments around the country. Is 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: there any chatter at Pennsylvania Avenue of any reform that 35 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: President Trump would be able to get behind and Congress 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: and types of reform. Well, it's interesting, for the first 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: few days of these nationwide protests, we really heard the 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: President say, you know, pretty flatly that he thought that 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: this was an isolated incident, that these cops were bad apples, 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: but in no way representative of a broader experience or 41 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: a systematic change that needed to happen UH in police forces, 42 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: and that was a message that was echoed by top aids, 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: including his National security adviser Robert O'Brien up the weekend. 44 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: But in some interviews yesterday, the President for the first 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: time said the police departments need to do better. And 46 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: we heard from UH git Off Press secretary that that 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: they would be open to some sort of changes, but 48 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: we haven't heard is any specificity about what those types 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: of changes are, what's under consideration, what the President would 50 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: be willing to push for, and so it's unclear whether 51 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: this is just kind of a change in rhetoric or 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: if the President is actually willing to to push forward 53 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: with something. I think there's probably a real reluctance within 54 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: the White House because they see UH police departments as 55 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: a key constituency, law enforcement as a key constituency headed 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: into this and are I think reluctant or nervous about 57 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: in any way suggesting that that there could be the 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: need for for broad reform. The other hand of this 59 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: is that the President has really put a focus on 60 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: attracting African American voters in the upcoming election. And this 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: is an issue that clearly resonates in African American community, 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: is among young voters, the people who we have seen 63 00:03:53,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: protesting and demonstrating the aftermath of of this uh killion 64 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. And so I do wonder if the President 65 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: is going to start to look at this and and 66 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: try to figure out, uh, you know, whether as the 67 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: nation kind of works through the George Floyd incident, if 68 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: these broader police reforms are necessary. Well, Republicans, you know, 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: especially Republicans from a political angle, would especially in battleground 70 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: of districts, would would seemingly want to get something that 71 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: they would be able to say that they worked with 72 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: Democrats on, especially for down ballot races. I want to 73 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: continue with politics in a second, but I also want 74 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: to get to the other big development coming out of 75 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: the White House today, and that is reading from the 76 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal, Trump administration officials increasingly expect to spend up 77 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: to one trillion dollars in the next round of economic stimulus. 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: Now we're not sure potentially what that would entail, but uh, 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: it's looking like based upon comments from Senate Majority Leader 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell that the next round is stimulus would happen 81 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: after the July fourth recess, so sometimes at the end 82 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: of July or August in between that window. Is that correct? Yeah, 83 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: And I think what we're hearing from the White House 84 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: is they are responding to the Senate Majority Leader who 85 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: said himself this week that he could envision a package 86 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: around one trillion dollars. Now, the President has thrown out 87 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: lots of different ideas, and some of them would be 88 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: more expensive than a trillion dollars, especially if you add 89 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: them all together. So we always talked about infrastructure reform 90 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: or new a new infrastructure package. He's talked about tax reform, 91 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: and that includes UM going after the payroll tax and 92 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: reducing that so it would be reduced revenues. Uh. He's 93 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: talked about liability, uh, getting rid of of liability issues 94 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: for companies as they open back up through the coronavirus reopening. 95 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I think this might be more 96 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: of an acknowledgement by White House officials that you know, 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is willing to spend up to a trillion dollars. 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: So they're going to tailor their requests and priorities to 99 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: what the Senate Majority leader is willing to do. But 100 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: there's always the possibility of that the President, Donald Trump, 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, goes to pubs. We're going to try to 102 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: do as much as Justin sinks on the line. He's 103 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg White House reporter. We're following multiple fronts tonight. Of course, 104 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: the situation with the protest. Now we've got this one 105 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: trillion dollar economic round that the price tag that McConnell 106 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: has put on this. Uh, it's looking like, folks, that 107 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: will be sometime between July and the August recess. So 108 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: nothing expected between now and July third, ahead of that, 109 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: but I'm still curious to see whether or not one 110 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: they wrap in some type of police reform in that stimulus, 111 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: or two they pass a separate congressional vehicle ahead of 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: the July there. I don't think they know yet, but 113 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you look at what's happened over 114 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, at least from the city's perspective, 115 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: and something would arguably have to get on. Okay. Now, 116 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: another meeting that the President had today is with his 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: with Jared Kushner and the re election team. Are they 118 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: feeling pressure if the poll the national polls had them 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: trailing almost double digits in some key battleground stage justin sinc. Yeah, 120 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think pressure is the exact right word, 121 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: because there's a growing sensor of concern within the Trump 122 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: campaign that the polls are really trending in a bad direction. 123 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: We've heard, you know, the President got everybody together at 124 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: the White House today. It was a bit of a 125 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: pep talk. You know. They're trying to work towards re 126 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: election battle where by traditional metrics, the president should have 127 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: an advantage, but what they're seeing is that his poll 128 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: throughout his pull numbers, throughout the coronavirus crisis, and now 129 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: with these protests scripting, the nation has just continued to decline. 130 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: And the president's re election case was always fairly narrow. 131 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: There there's a certain set of states that they're just 132 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: not going to be competitive for him, and if they're 133 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: seen an erosion, not just in you know, the Rush 134 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Dault states that are a bit of a wall for him, 135 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: but in the states like Iowa and Ohio, Florida, then 136 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: you get into real free fall territory. And so I 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: think the campaign is concerned about that, identifying that, and 138 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: then looking to reverse those trends. The NBA is coming back. 139 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Justin I know that the Sixers are guaranteed the playoffs 140 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: no matter what, So you get excited. You gotta be 141 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: optimistic these days, especially. I am excited. You know, it's 142 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: something to look forward to. But there's a lot of 143 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: important conversations that are being had in the city right now. 144 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: But and I was, I was, I'm blanking on the 145 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: name of the player. But there was one player, not 146 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, that's for sure, not Drew Brees. But there 147 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: was one player who was walking with protesters peacefully and 148 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: then also helping to clean up some of the graffiti. 149 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: I believe it was in Texas. I'm totally blanking on 150 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: the name. All right, Justin Sink, stay safe, my friend. 151 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for all of your incredible reporting. That's Justin Sink. Everybody, 152 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: he is uh, the Sixers fan, just kidding. He's also 153 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg White House reporter. Much more coming up next. 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg TV and 155 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Radio. And you're listening to Bloomberg you're listening 156 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and 157 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: one or five point seven D two Almost Friday, Almost Farriday. 158 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 159 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio, and we're talking about all things international 160 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: with our next guest, who has another column out. He's 161 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: been really I would argue, the leading reporter, leading voice 162 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: on this issue, especially from this viewpoint. Of course, I'm 163 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: talking about the one and only Eli Lake Eli's He's 164 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg opinion columnists and his recent column headlined the 165 00:09:53,400 --> 00:10:01,479 Speaker 1: FBI's Russia investigation now looks even worse. Eli y Well. Yesterday, 166 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who was supposed 167 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: to be overseeing the FBI investigation which later became the 168 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: Bob Mueller investigation into the possible collusion or conspiracy between 169 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign and Russia. He acknowledged that all of 170 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: the really egregious problems with the investigation that have been 171 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: exposed by the Justice Department's own Inspector General, as well 172 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: as the independent review of the U S. Attorney Gensen's 173 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: out of St. Louis he acknowledged that a lot of 174 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: this information was kept from him when he was doing 175 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: things like signing the warrant to the eavesdrop on Carter 176 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: page UM, and or the sort of warrant application. And 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: he was never told by the FBI that they had 178 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: based all but closed the investigation into Mike Flynn on 179 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: January four, twenty seventeen. UM. All of this came out 180 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: on this hearing yesterday, and it basically showed that, UM, 181 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: in my view, the FBI kind of went out of 182 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: its way to hide all of the irregularities, errors, missteps, 183 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: shortcuts that it took in this investigation from the main 184 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: person who was responsible for overseeing it. UM. You know again, 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: I think that that really speaks to UM the duplicity 186 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: of the FBI leadership under James Coby and Andrew McCabe 187 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: his deputy. UM. It also shows that Rod Rosenstein was 188 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: a rubber stamp in a lot of ways. I mean, 189 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: in some ways he is supposed to be a backstop. 190 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: He's supposed to be checking the work of the FBI 191 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: when he signs those warrant applications. And I have no 192 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: confident that that's confidence that that Rod Rosenstein did any 193 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: kind of credible job and checking that work. As we 194 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: now know, the UH find some warrant applications for Carter 195 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: page UH was filled with what amounts, in my view, 196 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: to fraud. So Eli Lakes on the line. He's a 197 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: Bloomberg opinion columnists covering national security and foreign policy. In 198 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: his latest column, he notes about the testimony, which we 199 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: haven't even because of all the events. It's like exhausting 200 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: everything going on this week. You know, we haven't even 201 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: really gotten to dig into this, which is why I'm 202 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: so grateful for your time. So yesterday before the Senate 203 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee, former Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. He says 204 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: that all of the irregularities and shortcuts exposed in the 205 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: recent Justin's Department reviews were kept from him when he 206 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: signed the war in applications into Carter Page. Wow, then 207 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: he remember that August. I mean, it's so hard to 208 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: remember all of these footnotes, but in August of two 209 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen, there was the memo which talked about 210 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: really Bob Mueller's investigation. He even says that the memo 211 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: his own memo. This is what Rosenstein testified yesterday before 212 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: the Senate Judiciary Committee. He says that it was flawed. 213 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: So how do you write I truthfully, no opinion here, 214 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: no bias. How did he write a memo and then 215 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: two years, three years later acknowledge that it's flawed? Do 216 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: I have this right? It was very confusing. This is 217 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: the key part of it, the point that rosen Steam 218 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: kept making when he was pressed large entirely by Republicans. 219 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: And it's really in minds you to the discredit of 220 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Democrats that they're not taking this step more seriously because 221 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: it's an issue that really should affect all of us, 222 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: which is the FBI's investigative powers and when they abuse it. 223 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: But let's just leave that aside. What he's saying is 224 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: that what what Lindsay Graham, the Senator Senate chairman of 225 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: that committee, was pointing out was that by the August 226 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: of there was no case against Mike Flynn, Carter Page, 227 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: or any of the Americans who were listed in the 228 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: Scope memo, which was just the class of finde. There 229 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: was no case at all that they were Russian agents 230 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: or had participated in a conspiracy with Russia on the election. 231 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: Now we know that because of all of the stuff 232 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: that's been declassified and has come out and inspect your 233 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: general reports really in the last six months. And so 234 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: the question to Rosens, would would you agree that by 235 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: the time you wrote that memo which said the scope 236 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: of this investigation is you've got to investigate these four 237 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: people to find out if they were you know, working, 238 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, with the Russians in some way, you know, 239 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: in a conspiracy. That there was no there there there 240 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: was no reason at that point to investigate. The investigation 241 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: that had been going on had not yielded anything, And 242 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: he said he generally and now agreed with that statement. 243 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: To me, that's a huge like, that's a huge reveal. 244 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: So you now have the former Deputytorney General saying that 245 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: by the time he basically authorizes the Muller king. He 246 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: also acknowledged that the Muller team had helped him developed 247 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: the scope, so the peepe the investigators were going to 248 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: basically their internal oversight and saying, this is the things 249 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: we need to look into. And he wasn't kicking the tires. 250 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: That's bad for Rosenstein, but it's really bad, really really 251 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: bad for the FBI. Why is the FBI keeping investigations open? 252 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: We could have saved a lot of time, uh in 253 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of just you know, political energy 254 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: spent in Washington. We were both here, Kevin, you know 255 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: this that we couldn't stop talking about the idea that 256 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe President Trump was a trader, maybe he was a spy. 257 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe Mike Win was a spy for Russia. 258 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: We don't know. The FBI is looking into it. Um. 259 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: By that time, the FBI knew there was nothing to 260 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: any of this. And yet after August it continues for 261 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: nearly two more years, and for two more years, almost 262 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: everybody is under the impression, I'm gonna reserve judgment until 263 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: we find out what Mueller has to say. And we 264 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: kept getting tidbits that made it seem like, oh, the 265 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: walls are closing in, The walls are closing in. That 266 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: was a fraud. The FBI knew by August there was 267 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: no there there, And now you have Rob Rosenstein acknowledging 268 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: that in sworn testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. That's 269 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: a big deal and I think more people should pay 270 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: attention to it. It's remarkable. It's remarkable. And otherwise than 271 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: thank you, Eli like that's Eli Like he's a Bloomberg 272 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: opinion columnists. UH, and he covers national security and foreign 273 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: policy and another universe that would have been the lead 274 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: story this week, but we don't live in that universe. UH. 275 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we talk more about geo politics, UH 276 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: and policy. I'm Kevin SILEI. Download boomberg s On podcast 277 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: on applei Tunes, a Bloomberg dot Com, or by downloading 278 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find me on 279 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. You're listening 280 00:16:53,280 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg one. This is Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surreley 281 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f M 282 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: HD two. I'm Kevin CURRELLI, Chief Washington correspondent to Bloomberg 283 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: Television and from Bloomberg Radio. Jack Gingston's on the line, 284 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: former Republican Georgia congressman Trump campaign. Jack. I haven't talked 285 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: to you. I believe since all this that I want 286 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: to say stuff I wanted to say another since all 287 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: of the past couple of months. How you been, how's 288 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: the family? They're doing great? And I've missed you. It 289 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: is bizarre, though, when you think about the year. It 290 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: is eight Smiths coronavirus and now the rioting. I'm kind 291 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: of afraid to see what's going to happen next week. 292 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, I was talking about this with a friend 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: when I was on one of my many walks. You know, 294 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: I go on a lot of walks. Jack, I gotta 295 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: take my walks to take my break, to break up 296 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: the day. And I bumped into a friend and I 297 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and we were talking. And here in the district they 298 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: just lifted the first round of restrictions on Friday. When 299 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: I tell you, Jack Kingston, that Friday feels like another 300 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: life ago compared to what life has been like inside 301 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: of the nation's capital in the last five days. I 302 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: couldn't even believe it's only been last Friday that stuff 303 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: has been lifted because of everything else going on. But 304 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: how are things? Where are you staying? Where have you 305 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: been quarantining? I guess you're in Georgia. I guess you 306 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: guys have reopened right. Well, I have been in Georgia 307 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: and South Carolina for the last ten days. I'm back 308 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: in Virginia now. But what what was interesting? I went 309 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 1: to two parties not a faith mask inside. One was 310 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: in Charleston, South Carolina. The other one was on Tybee Island, Georgia. 311 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: One was with the one was actually Mark Sanford's former 312 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: governor and congressman sixtieth birthday, so a lot of people 313 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: there were over sixty five years old. Um and by 314 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: the way, that was thirteen days ago. Nobody has uh 315 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: developed anything, so we're just about out of the danger zone. 316 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: But um, you know, we went to restaurants, went a 317 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: grocery shop, and when you go out in public, some 318 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: people are wearing masks, some people are not. I think 319 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: everybody is keeping a respectful distance. But I would say 320 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: that these parties that I went to there were handshaken 321 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: and hugging, and um, things were very normal. And I 322 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: think that Virginia is probably being too overly cautious unless 323 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: you're rioting and then anything goes. But I think that 324 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: these states probably should accelerate the reopening, and certainly the 325 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: business community is demand mean that, um, we do have 326 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: this bizarre staphrony of the stock market um doing very 327 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: well right now, and yet at the same time business 328 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: is still not being allowed to open and many unable 329 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: to open because of the what's going on in the streets. 330 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: Very very tricky time. I'd say that that's what okay, 331 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: So I want to start with what I want to 332 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: start with with what's going on, But first I want 333 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: to get your reaction. I mean, when you see that 334 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: video of George Floyd, it's it's there's no it's racist. 335 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other way to look at it. 336 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: I assume you agree, yeah, And I don't think there 337 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: is a debate about that. That's um, I think that 338 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: is not of American would agree that that's outrageous behavior 339 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: and we all condone it. And um, the fact that 340 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: they're going after all four officers is the right thing 341 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: to do because three of them basically stood there. So 342 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any debate about that. But there 343 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: there should be a debate about the three police officers 344 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: who have been injured by rioters. One of them, who 345 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: was an African American, was shot in cold blood and killed. UM. 346 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Last night in New York. One was stabbed, two were shot. UM. 347 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I think there should be a little more recognition of 348 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: the good work that the police officers do. It's it's right. 349 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: And i'd say this respectfully, you know, if we're gonna 350 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: have high tolerance for the demonstration, and and and quickly 351 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: we would all point out that it is a smaller group, 352 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: that is the rioters and the looters. But um, you know, 353 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: at the same time, I think we should acknowledge that 354 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: it is still a small group of police officers who 355 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: are abusive. Overall, police officers are very good people, are 356 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: very earnest, They want to do what's best for their community. 357 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: They want to be embedded in the community. Um. And 358 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: yet here's the city of Los Angeles who wants to 359 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: defund the police department. I think something like a hundred 360 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. And I don't quite see how 361 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: how it's productive to broad brush all police officers is bad. 362 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: And as you know, we have a member of Congress 363 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: who has joined to defund the police growing coalition. UM. 364 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: I think that's certainly something that that we can put 365 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: on the table and debate. But I just don't think 366 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: I want to. I want to jump in here. Jack 367 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: Kingson's on the line. He's a former Republican Georgia congressman. Okay, 368 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: how do we stamp out racism in the police community. 369 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is about embedding it. 370 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, police officers are like the rest of America. 371 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: There there's good apples and bad apples out there. But um, 372 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: it's not systemic, it's our institutionalized. You know, when I 373 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: are in first grade, i went on all white public 374 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: schools because my counterparts in the black community, we're not 375 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: allowed to go to that school. It did integrate as 376 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: I was a student. But that's institutional when there is 377 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: a policy of racism. We do not have a policy 378 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: of racism. I want to ask the same question. I 379 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: want to ask the same question because yesterday, because because 380 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: this is important, you are one of the most conservative 381 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: members in conservative ideology. We had Denver Rigaman on yesterday, 382 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: and this is important because where you stand, or where 383 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: you're willing to work with democrats, or where you're willing 384 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: to work with moderates or to put support there is 385 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: where where policy gets shifted. So again I'm not how 386 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: do we stamp out racism in the police community. Is 387 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: there a way to set up a better system to 388 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: look at the comments and the records of individuals serving 389 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: in the police force who have who have a history 390 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: of this. Is there a way that we can do that? 391 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: You know, I almost think you should have somewhat of 392 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: a one strike and you're out that if you are, um, 393 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: somebody who practices racial behavior, then you're out. And the 394 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: reason why it's so important for police as we have 395 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: found that police officers who are closer to the community, 396 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: inbedded in the community, not just kind of air dropped 397 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: to take care of problems, but ones who are on 398 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: the beat that you see every day. They've got to 399 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: work with everybody, every race, every nationality that's out there, 400 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: and you cannot have somebody there who is playing favorite. 401 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: So those bad apples have to be plucked, they have 402 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: to be run out, they have to be fired. And 403 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would debate that. I do think 404 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: that there is a question. I don't know how prevalent 405 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: it is of the unions always go into bat for 406 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: members and so are the police unions part of the solution, 407 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Yes they can be, but they can also be part 408 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: of the p if they're going to defend any police 409 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: officer with any kind of behavior anytime. So I so 410 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: at the top of what you said is that's that's 411 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: the common ground, right, there is a one strike in 412 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: your policy. That's the common ground. That's where Democrats agree, 413 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 1: that's where Republicans agree. Now it's up to the elected 414 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: officials to get in a room and figure this out. 415 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: Jack Kinson's on the line. He's a former Republican Georgia congressman. 416 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: H very tapped into Trump World. Uh, President Trump, I 417 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: mean he summoned campaign aids earlier today at the White House. 418 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Biden has a double digit lead in in some battleground states. 419 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: How does the President turn this around? If you were 420 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: advising President Trump and his re election campaign, what would 421 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: you say they need to do. I think you've got 422 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: to You've got to go back on the offensive. Um, 423 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: we've got to get this economy moving again. I think 424 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: the President can use the bully pulpit to um encourage 425 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: states like George in South Carolina who are having very 426 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: good results by reopening and taking that message nationwide that hey, 427 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: they're doing it in Georgia, and here's what they've learned 428 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: that goes right, here's what they've learned that goes wrong, 429 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: and take that message to some of these states like 430 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: Alexandria of Virginia. M Alexander of Virginia. I walk around 431 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: the streets and the playgrounds have little ropes around him, 432 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: as if kids playing on swings are gonna be a big, 433 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: big problem. Um. I think, frankly it's it's shameful the 434 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: way the mayors and some of these towns are just 435 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: treating it. I think, like many many tyrants, UM businesses 436 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: can't operate in that kind of atmosphere. You know, just 437 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: think about this. The playground has a rope around it 438 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: so kids can't play, but two blocks away, restaurants are 439 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: serving people out on the street and they actually have 440 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: tables and chairs out there. So I think getting the 441 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: economy going again is very very important for the president. 442 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, he had a great 443 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: um uh, a great deal of five part and support 444 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: in two thousand and nineteen, d passed the first step 445 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: at I think going back to that kind of thing, 446 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: how can you expand that because it had a lot 447 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: of African American support and and talking about that and 448 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: sitting down with the people um in some of these cities. 449 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: Jack Forgotta Joe, Thank you so much, my friend Jack 450 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: Kingston for former Republican Georgia congressman. More. Next, This is Bloomberg. 451 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg 452 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f M HD two. 453 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Boomberg Television and 454 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. Switching gears now to foreign policy. Uh, 455 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: you've got Defense Secretary Esper still making the rounds. He 456 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: had a press conference yesterday, says that he disagrees essentially 457 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: with how President Trump conducted the Lafayette Square park walk 458 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: um to St. John's Church. Then he has this meeting 459 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: with the President behind closed doors. Then the White House 460 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: comes out and says he's still got a job. Mattis 461 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: comes out in a scathing, scathing rebuke of President Trump's 462 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: actions this week in the Atlantic, and that's his former 463 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: Defense secretary, And uh, you know what I mean. But 464 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: that said, I mean, Republicans are still standing by the 465 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: president at this point. So I mean I I The 466 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: reason I say all of this as before we introduced 467 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: our next guest is I think you even heard it 468 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: with the conversation that I have with Jack Kingston, is 469 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: that the reality of what folks living in cities are 470 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: experiencing this week is not what other individuals in suburbs 471 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: or other more rural communities have experienced this week. Necessarily, 472 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: they are experiencing what is going on in the cities 473 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: through the prism of social media channels and through cable 474 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: news channels, whichever uh category they fall into. UM. And 475 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: I just I think it bears repeating because I I 476 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: here in Washington, we have had such a different experience 477 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: than other people in the country, UM, with curfews, with 478 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: the military vehicles that you know, and and and really 479 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: I think only New York in l A and Chicago, 480 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: uh could and other cities could could relate to that. 481 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: John gods is on the line. He's a former chief 482 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: speech writer at the Pentagon. He's the author of White 483 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: House Warriors, How the National Security Council transformed the American 484 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Way of War. John, thank you for joining us. I 485 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: think you're in Philly right I'm sitting in West Philadelphia 486 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: right now my home. Did you have the chief steak, 487 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: the jaggahood disorder and anapasta for for dinner? We're going 488 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: to pick it up on the way home. So pasta 489 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: be months, I haven't left the district, all right, Johnny, Okay, 490 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: what do you make of you know, Madness esper Trump? 491 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: What's been going on? You know, it's a it's an unprecedented, 492 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: unprecedented moment. And Donald Trump's presidency so far, um, he 493 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: has I think generally speaking, he has pushed and pushed 494 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: and pushed on the military um and he has he 495 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: has really come close to violating they're sort of a 496 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: political norms on time and time again, whether it's you know, 497 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: interfering and um some of the sort of um misbehaving 498 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: with the sort of war crimes, or whether it's you know, 499 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: trying to give troops talks to troops that are very 500 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: partisan and very political, or signing the you know, Muslim 501 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: travel band at the at the Pentagon. You know, he's 502 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: he's he has crossed the line time and time again, 503 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: and the military has sort of taken it. And what 504 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I think we saw this week is the first time 505 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: in the Trump administration where the Pentagon basically said enough, 506 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: both those sitting in the Pentagon right now and the 507 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: e ring, whether it's as for the Defense Secretary or 508 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: or or Chairman Millie, who came out with a pretty 509 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: strong memo reaffirming the troops and the and the military's 510 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: commitment to the Constitution. And then you know, retired folks, 511 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, Admiral Mike Mullen who was a 512 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: joint chairman, a Joint Chiefs Chairman, UM previously or or 513 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: secretary and General Madness. And so it's an unpresident moment. 514 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: And really it's an unprecedent moment in a very long 515 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: time in Washington where you've seen the military say no 516 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: so directly to the president. And so it's well, we'll 517 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: see what happens. But it's certainly one that I think, um, 518 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: nobody would have predicted a week ago. Uh, And certainly 519 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: it has real implications, not just for the next six months, 520 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: but really what will come after the election. That said, Johnnes, 521 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: also a faction of Americans who are watching this on 522 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: the news and they see images of a small group 523 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: of looters and rioters. Their solution would be sent in 524 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: the cops. And if the cops don't work, sent in 525 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: the military. So what what is I guess, how do 526 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: those individuals that you just named, um, how do they 527 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: communicate with that person out in America? Well, I think 528 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: it's important to remember that the military is probably one 529 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: of the most Uh. It's it's not great in terms 530 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: of its gender balance, but it is really reflective of 531 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: both the urban and rural divide in America. Right. It 532 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: does have plenty of folks from Red states and plenty 533 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: of state folks from blue cities right who serve in 534 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: the Army, the Marines, the Navy, and the and the 535 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: Air Force, And so I do think um that and 536 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: the military is one of the few institutions in the 537 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: country that has sort of world globe worldwide and sort 538 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: of national and sort of cut to cross almost all 539 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: the divides that sort of exists in the United States 540 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: in terms of trust confidence in those sorts of things. 541 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: And so my hunch is that when the United States, 542 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: when people whether they're in cities or or suburbs or excurbs, 543 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: see the United States military being deployed somewlays, they know 544 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: it's a serious thing, um, And they know it's a 545 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: serious decision to send people into harm's way uh and 546 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: to send people uh into a situation. So my hunch 547 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: is that even if they sort of support Donald Trump, 548 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna believe that you that the leaders of the U. 549 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: S Military, whether it's Jimatics or Secretary Asper, are going 550 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: to have the best interests of the personnel and the 551 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: and the troops in mind. And so my hunch is 552 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: that this is one of the few groups that could 553 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: probably actually speak to both of those sides and possibly 554 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: speak sense to both of them. What was the last 555 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: time this happened? Not to put you on the spot 556 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: with history lesson, but but seriously, when I mean, you know, 557 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: you saw some of this pushback um in over Libya, 558 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: right You saw General Gates and the military sort of 559 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: leaking saying they weren't gonna we weren't interested in Barack 560 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: Obama's intervention in Libya in two thousand, two thousand eleven. 561 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: You saw some of this um in the surge debate, 562 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: right um between the um you know, George W. Bush's 563 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: decision to send thirty thousandditional troops to but that's you know, 564 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: I would have to kind of go back. So the 565 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: last time that sort of troops were sent in was 566 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: ninety nine, early nineties for the l A riots. And 567 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: I'd have to look because I don't know if anybody 568 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 1: really pushed back that aggressively. But you know, it's a 569 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: different country, man, It's thirty years ago. Uh, And obviously 570 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: civil rights. I think there were times where you know, 571 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: the troops were seen as a necessary instrument to sort 572 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: of a search change and to sort of cool things down. Um. 573 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: But I think the problem is, and this is a 574 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: genuine like public relations problem for the White House, which is, 575 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, any policy that is 576 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: well intentioned and serious was undercut by what happened on 577 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: Monday night in Latviaette Square, right at the end of 578 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: the day. Do I think that if that hadn't gotten 579 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: as violent and as chaotic and as televised as it was, 580 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 1: Do I think Asper Mattis Millie would be saying what 581 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: they're saying today. I don't think so. I think that 582 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: there would be concerns. I think that they would be 583 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: filed under all the concerns that have happened during the 584 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: Trump administration. The fact that this that public relations, that 585 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: photo op went sideways and so embarrassingly so for the 586 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: members of the Defense Department is why I think that 587 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: they are acting because at the end of the day, 588 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 1: they do give the president a great deal of latitude, uh, 589 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: and the president has a great deal of latitude on 590 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: deploying armed forces. What happened on Friday, on Monday night 591 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: was a public relations catastrophe. Um. And the military takes 592 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: very seriously its reputation. And you know, the military, most 593 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: of the people in the military remember what the post 594 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: Vietnam years were like when they were accused of, you know, 595 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: being killers and and sort of spit upon in public. 596 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: They never want to go back to those days again. 597 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: And so the military takes that probably more seriously than 598 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: than anybody else in Washington does. And that incident on 599 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: Monday night undercut what would have maybe been a acceptable policy. Wow. 600 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: John John's former chief speech writer at the Pentagon. He's 601 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: the author of White House Warriors, How the National Security 602 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: Council transformed the American way of War. Appreciate your time, 603 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: Appreciate you joining us from West Philadelphia. Kevin Currelli, Chief 604 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: Washington Course pot for Bloomberg Television for Blueberg Radio, Thanks 605 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: for listening to Bluebird