1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: dot Com. On the Giants part of the Giants Podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Giantshuttle Podcast. John Smoke 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 1: with you. It's all brought to you by psc and 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: G Energy Efficiency For game time and anytime. Visit PSEG 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: dot COM's Last Giants for discounts, rebates and old energy 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: assessments from NFL Network. The one and only Rehet Lewis. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: You can see him with coverage for the Super Bowl 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: all week. I get my Red Lewis fix on the move. 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: The six podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Buckey Brooks does 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: a great job on everything NFL and the draft. Red, 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you, man. How you doing, dude, John, 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing great, man. This is my favorite time year. Truly. 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: This surpasses Christmas time, The surpasses Thanksgiving. It's like the 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: convergence of all the things that I love. Super Bowl 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Draft season in full swing as we just closed out 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: All Star Game season. Really on the draft process combine 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: coming up, It's like do you get the best of 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: both worlds here? Man? I'm fired up? Yeah? And and 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: Red Haad the call of the Shrine game. Will we'll 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: certainly talk about that with him too. But let's work backward. 22 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Let's start with the thing that most of the NFL 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: world is focusing on, not the nerds like us who 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: are worried about the draft in February and talk about 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl a little bit. Uh boy, you know, 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: if this is to me, if this comes down to 27 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: a battle of the trenches, I think the Eagles have 28 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: the advantage. But if the Chiefs can figure out a 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: way to make some explosive plays and if Mahomes is 30 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: a little bit healthier, I think they got a pretty 31 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: good shot. Yeah. That's that's what worries mean, right, is 32 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: the the idea that you're talking about an Eagles team 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: with the deepest defensive front in the league. And not 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: just depth, I mean, it's talent right across the board. 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not just the guys that we've 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: come to know over the last decade like Fletcher Cox 37 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: and you know, like Brandon Graham, guys the Giants fans 38 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: have known and you know, sectionately hated to to a 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: certain extent there in the NFC East, But you know, 40 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: the Josh Sweats of the world you know, Hassan Reddick 41 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: one of the best free agent acquisitions we saw this year. Um, 42 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, almost so much so that like most people 43 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: probably couldn't even tell you who the who the Eagles 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: linebackers are because those defensive line end up making so 45 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: many plays then obviously with the way they're connected to 46 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: the back end and Darius Slay and James Bradberry, Like 47 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: if this, if Patrick Mahomes is not at full strength, 48 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: and you know this offensive line for Kansas City gets 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: overpowered in a way that we know the Eagles defensive 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: front is capable of. Like that worries me a little 51 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: bit if I'm a Chiefs fan. Yeah, And look, if 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: if I'm the Eagles defensive coordinator in this game, I 53 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: am jamming Kelsey off the line. I'm putting extra guys 54 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: to him. And you know what, I think one of 55 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: these Chiefs receivers is going to have to have a 56 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: bit of a coming out party here, Rhett, if they're 57 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: gonna win this game, because look, the Eagles have a 58 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: great defense, they have a good coordinator. I can't imagine 59 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna let Travis Kelsey have like thirteen for one 60 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: thirty in this game. I can't imagine they're gonna let 61 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: that happen. Well, we've seen that story many times, right, 62 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: And even when it's not like four, even when he's 63 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: held like four catches, usually three of them go for touchdowns. 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: That that's just that, that's it. It's like you either 65 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: get the volume with Kelsey and you keep him out 66 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: of the end zone or then he does both. Um. 67 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, if Travis Kelsey is a game wrecord and 68 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: if he is an impossible cover for the Eagles in 69 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: this game, then yeah, it's gonna be a long day 70 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: and we may get a you know, a thirty eight 71 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: thirty five type of game. Sign me up for it. 72 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: By the way, if that's the case, all in for 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: points after calling a Shrine Bowl game that didn't have 74 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: a single touchdown. But we'll get to that later on here. 75 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think with Kelsey, it's like 76 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: it's like the Great Conundrum. Um. I do feel you 77 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: would feel a bit more comfortable this year saying Okay, 78 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: I'll let Juju or mvs UM or somebody else try 79 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: to beat me, rather than let's say I'll double down 80 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: on Kelsey and we'll take our chances with Tyreek Hill 81 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: that's a little less less comforting, right, so this year. Yeah, 82 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: but I mean like nobody's really been able to do 83 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: it though, John, So like that's that's the thing, Like 84 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: it's great in theory, but maybe the Eagles of the 85 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: team that has the puzzle and the solution for for 86 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Yeah. Look, that's why Andy reads Andy Reid, right, 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: he knows that the scheme as guys open noway, Yeah, 88 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: And then I just want to go to the Eagles 89 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: for a second. And you know, I think the danger 90 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: zone for Sirianni and I think we've seen him do 91 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: this in some games where he kind of falls in 92 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: love with the pass a little bit and he gets 93 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: away from their bread and butter, which I still think 94 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: is the run game, whether it's the running backs or 95 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Jalen you know, you know, keeping himself. We'll see if 96 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: the shoulder holds up, obviously, you know. And I do 97 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: think people on the rate the Chief's defense though, I 98 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be really interesting, give or take. We know, 99 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Steve Spagnolo has been so many of these big games, 100 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: and he's gonna have some type of wrink already for 101 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: what the Eagles want to do and speaking of convergence 102 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: of worlds as I talked about when we opened here. 103 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: You know, I think the Chiefs personnel group deserves a 104 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: ton of credit for one of the best draft classes 105 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: that we saw period this past year. And I think 106 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: that they did it from coming at the back end 107 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: of the first round. Pretty dang impressive. Yah. They had 108 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: two first round picks and and got to two winners. 109 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: I think in uh, Trip McDuffie and George Carl Loftis, 110 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: And I think Karl Loftis is gonna be a big 111 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: piece of that run defense and trying to figure out 112 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: ways to not let you know, the Eagles go for 113 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: to fifty on the ground, whether it's with Miles Sanders, 114 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: Kenny Aane Well, Boston Scott or Jalen Hurts, you know, 115 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: all four of which can obviously hurt you in different ways. 116 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: So I think that the thing that that gives me 117 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: some comfort if I'm an Eagles fan is I've got 118 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: a lot of answers, right, I've got a lot of 119 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: different solutions to what the Chiefs can throw at me, right, 120 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: so like I can come at you, you know, with 121 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: an R P O game. Um. Obviously that we kind 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: of saw become all the rage the last time the 123 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: Eagles were in the Super Bowl when Doug Peterson was 124 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: was doing it with Nick Foles, and now it's at 125 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: a whole another level with the way that Nick Sirianni 126 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts have have kind of coordinated that run 127 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: pass option game. So you've got that part of it, 128 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: You've got the explosive pass game with Davante Smith, You've 129 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: got contested catch winners with A. J. Brown, and then 130 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: let's not forget about Dallas Goddard. You know who is 131 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: in my mind the top five tight end in this league. 132 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: So like, I just feel like the um the onus 133 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: is really gonna be on Steve Spagnola to pick his poison, 134 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and then on Syrianni in the chess match side of 135 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: it to kind of understand where they're trying to attack 136 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: me from a defensive perspective and then find one of 137 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: my many other answers. So like that's why I feel 138 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: pretty good about the Eagles chances here on the offensive 139 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: side of the ball. Yeah, look right as a as 140 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: the Giants obviously got wiped out by the Eagles twice 141 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: this year, and I said, thing, you stopped rowing Ada 142 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Brown runs over the top, you too, safeties deep, They're 143 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: gonna run it down your throat and just kind of 144 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: a pick your poison situation. Um, all right, let's take 145 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: a step back and look at the Giants here. No 146 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: one would argue it wasn't a really great season concerning 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: what the expectations were before the year. They want a 148 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: playoff game. I mean, if you would have told me 149 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: that in August, I would have tug up on you 150 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: on our call and show and said you were crazy. 151 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: But they did, and you know, and and and they 152 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: beat the Vikings who went thirteen games this year. So 153 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts overall on the season, and now more importantly 154 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: as we start to talk about team building, now what 155 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: the next steps are here as Joe Shane tries to 156 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: build out this program with Brian Dable. Yeah, so here's 157 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: here's the thing. And I think you're right. I think 158 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: I was. I was probably a little caught off guard 159 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: at the immediacy of the success and this, right, but 160 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: I think that speak to the type of program that 161 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: they're installing. Um, both with Joe Shane from a personnel 162 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: perspective and then Brian Table, you know, as as good 163 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: of a coach as we've seen in his first year. 164 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: And now they've got some big decisions to make. And 165 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: how about by the way, like tip of the cap, 166 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: you go from to top ten draft picks and now 167 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: picking at twenty five, feel pretty good about that. It 168 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: means you had a pretty dang good season. Um, And 169 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: so the two biggest questions obviously now we're gonna be 170 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and say Kawan Barkley and what do we 171 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: do and how do we do it? And to me, 172 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: there's not a quarterback available in the draft right now 173 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: that you're actually gonna have a shot at getting um 174 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: and in free agency or even really via trade. I mean, 175 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: the Giants aren't going out and getting Aaron Rodgers right Um. 176 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: You know, like I don't know, I don't even know 177 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: if Derek Carr doesn't to me, provide an upgrade over 178 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. And it's a much more manageable situation in 179 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: terms of age and contract with DJ. So like, give 180 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones the bag, give him the money, and let 181 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: him go play, and and let him go play with 182 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: the confidence that you know you are putting in him 183 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: to be the face of this franchise for the next 184 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: five to ten years. And so I think, um, the 185 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: match has worked between Daniel Jones, this offense and Brian 186 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: Table um, and let's continue to build upon it. And 187 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: then to do that, you've got to keep the run 188 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: game a potent piece of this offense. And look sae 189 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: Quon Barkley like, I, I don't know, and I think 190 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: he'd probably tell you it's probably a pipe dream to 191 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: expect a you know, five six year deal, um, unless 192 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: it's like heavily you know, backloaded and there's not a 193 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: ton of guarantees in those first two three years. This too, 194 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: he feels like kind of like a Todd Gurley deal 195 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: from back when when he was handed that deal in 196 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: his prime, with the Rams three year deal at you know, 197 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: whatever the going rate is plus some For sae Quon, 198 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: I think that's probably where you're gonna live. And look, 199 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: if you have to, you franchise him, but get Daniel 200 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Jones done and then the rest of the pieces are 201 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: gonna fall into place, you know. And I think the 202 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: Daniel thing, it's a little tricky, right. You don't see 203 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: many guys of you know, reach unrestricted fore agency at 204 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback position. Now they obviously have the franchise take 205 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: at their disposal because the salary cap implications. I'm sure 206 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: they'd rather not have to use that tag because then 207 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: that cuts into everything else you can do. So I 208 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: wonder if Daniel is gonna want the longer term deal 209 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: right with a little more security. Is he gonna want 210 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: a shorter term deal that the quarterback market reset itself 211 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: than he can cash in earlier? How do you think 212 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: that's gonna look when all is said and done. I mean, 213 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: this is this is to me, a this is a 214 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: forty million dollar deal per year on average, And I 215 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: know that's not necessarily you know, how you evaluate deals anymore. 216 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: It's more about like how much money is in the 217 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: first three how much is totally guaranteed and fully guaranteed? 218 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: And um, you know, to me, I don't know that 219 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: he's going to get the Deshaun Watson deal. I don't 220 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: think he'll get the Aaron Rodgers deal. But I think 221 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: he'll sit comfortably in there, um somewhere in the neighborhood 222 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: of you know, five for forty on average, with you know, 223 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: probably seventy percent of it guaranteed. That's just that's just 224 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: kind of what it is now. You can you can 225 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: kind of snicker at it and say, oh my god, 226 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't pay Daniel je it's forty million, and like, well, um, 227 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: who else are you going to get? You know what 228 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean? And you're right And if and if they pay, 229 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: if they play, well, you're gonna have to pay them 230 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: even more. And and so like I think, um, it 231 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: actually works out well for both teams to where both sides, 232 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I should say, where the giants should feel comfortable, you know, 233 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: with a five six whatever it ends up being your deal. 234 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: And Daniel, um, why hold out when you have earned 235 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: the right to be in that you know that six 236 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to ten range in terms of the average annual value? 237 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Like it? To me, it's a no brainer. No, I'm 238 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: with you on that. All right, let's talk a little 239 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: about the draft of rhet When I go back and 240 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: I have a video of the shrine practices on my computer, 241 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I have not watched them yet. I had just had 242 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: to get to the senior both first, who are the 243 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: guys that I should be keem aut on? When I 244 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: watched those shrine practices and and and watched the shrine 245 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: bowl that really jumped out to you while you were 246 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: down there in Vegas. So if you go watch Sunday's practice, 247 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: which is practice day number two, Zay Flowers stole the show. 248 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, wide receiver, Boston College. UM. I think usually 249 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: be a first round pick, Like I think he's a 250 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: top five wide receiver, maybe six, um, you know to 251 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: some folks. But he really only practic this that one day, 252 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: which was actually more than I thought he was gonna do. 253 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: I thought he was just gonna go down for interviews, 254 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: so I thought it was you know, it was great 255 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: to get him out there for at least a day. 256 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: He's the He was the best in show with the 257 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: wide receiver group. By far, he'll be the highest drafted 258 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: player from the Shrine Bowl, but perhaps not far behind 259 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: is a young man who made an impression on the 260 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: other side of the ball for the East team, which 261 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: was coached by the Atlanta Falcons, who then kind of 262 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: um pushed Frank Bush from linebackers coach up to defensive coordinator. 263 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: And this is where I started to learn a little 264 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: bit more about Keith Trell. Clark, cornerback from Louisville, might 265 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: end up being the best nickel corner in this draft. 266 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: And that was kind of the sentiment from the director 267 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: of the Shrine Bowl, Eric Galco. And that's kind of 268 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: what I got in our production meeting with Frank Bush, 269 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: who He's like, look, when I stood in front of 270 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: this defense at the start of the week, I told 271 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: these guys, it's not about talent, it's about skills. Right, 272 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: You're a talented player. If you're here, if you are 273 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: in this game, and if you are about to be 274 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: in the draft conversation, you're a talented player. But what 275 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: skills do you have and can you refine and can 276 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: you improve at the next level. And Frank told us 277 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: that when he said that, Key Trell Clark's eyes lit 278 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: up got super big, because this is a guy that 279 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: has been told all of his life, dang, you're talented. 280 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: Damn you're talented, man. But now Frank Bush is sitting 281 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: up here telling me it's not about talent that's gonna 282 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: get me to the next level. It's about how I 283 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: refine my skill set. And so you kind of talked 284 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: about Clark being a sponge and being one of those 285 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: guys that was so eager to take some of those 286 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: nuggets from the meeting room and put him into play 287 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: at practice. Um that really saw him go out there 288 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and make some some real place. Guy has some outside 289 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: inside versatility and flex which is gonna make him all 290 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: the more valuable to NFL teams. So he has definitely one. 291 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: There's one offense defense, um another guy Caleb Murphy from 292 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Farris State who set the all division single season sack 293 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: record twenty five and a half this year for Faris State. 294 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: Sack per deduction translates to the league. Ask Matthew Judean 295 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: who put up twenty in his last year at Grand 296 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: Valley State. So like this stuff, this stuff translates, and 297 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: I think there's definitely some traits out there in that 298 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: particular EDG dresh group and that player CALEA. Murphy that 299 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: teams are gonna love. Great nuggets they are at all right, 300 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: giants are picking late. You mentioned at you mentioned wide receiver. 301 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: They need to get help around Daniels becomes more productive, 302 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: and I think they need some corners for Wink if 303 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: assuming he's back. We'll see on defense both groups. I 304 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: think we'll have guys available in the twenties there. Who 305 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: are some of the guys you like at those two 306 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: spots in the draft corner on wide receiver that you 307 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: think Giant fans should start watching some tape on over 308 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: the course of the next few months. Yes, so cornerback 309 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: group is gonna be way deeper this year than the 310 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: wide receiver group, which is kind of different than it's 311 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: been the last three years. Receiver group just isn't as strong. 312 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: But the good news for the Giants is that I 313 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: feel like the value of the wide receiver group might 314 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: correspond to where they're picking this year at twenty five, 315 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: So you might be able to get wide receiver three 316 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: or four, whereas you know that dude's long gone and 317 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: shears draft right, and so you know, you might be 318 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: looking at a guy like Quentin Johnston Um who may 319 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: give you from TCU what you thought you were getting 320 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: from Kenny Golladay, which is a big physical presence that 321 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: has that kind of you know, game breaking playmaking ability 322 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: with the speed to um. So I think that that's 323 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: one to keep him. I think, say Flowers just want 324 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: to keep in mind. I think he could be certainly 325 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: in play there at twenty five as a playmaker. A 326 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: little thinly framed, but but still, you know, I don't know, 327 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: maybe he's a little bit too much like Wandale Robinson 328 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: when Wandale comes back healthy. Um on the flip side 329 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: at corner. I love Devin Witherspoon. I don't know that 330 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna be there at twenty five. That's kind of 331 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: the big question, Like are these guys the kid from 332 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: Oregan you know is Joey Porter. I think those guys 333 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: are probably gone in the top fifteen, so we kind 334 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: of have to see how it plays to really dig 335 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: in on the corner group. But um, I think you're 336 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: gonna find plenty of value at that spot, and you 337 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: know in that uh, and you're gonna have some fun 338 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: when wherever they end up going at twenty five, you 339 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: end up having some fun. And the wide receiver dB 340 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,239 Speaker 1: one on one drills is there'll be some new players 341 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: certainly that the Giants get out of Kansas City in 342 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: that group. Final question, right, just have some fun. What 343 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: order will the top four quarterbacks in the draft going. 344 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Bryce Young, C J. Stroud, Will Levis, 345 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: and then gosh, I don't know. The fourth one is 346 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: so tough. I want here's how I wanted to go 347 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: at number four. I wanted to be Handin Hooker from Tennessee. 348 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know that it's gonna be with 349 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the injury. I think Anthony Richardson and his ceiling and 350 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: his potential might entice people more. But if it's me 351 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: and I have the choice, I'm going hand in hooker. 352 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for Will Lovis to throw a seventy 353 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: yard pass. It is Pro Day and everyone losing. It's coming. 354 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: Get ready for it. We'll have it for you live 355 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: on NFL Network. Yeah, then surely check it out, right, 356 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: anything you want to promote that that dropped you, that 357 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: you're doing no otherwise. We've got, you know, our combined 358 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: coverage coming up. 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