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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Busts with the Boys. I'm

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Speaker 2: your host, Will Compton, the boy Taylor. He's flying back

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Speaker 2: from Arizona right now. We had a wonderful time in Cabo.

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Speaker 2: We will get to some of that stuff. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to the upcoming guests. We got a lot of things

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Speaker 2: going on. Saint Patrick's Day stuff coming up, Spring Tour

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Speaker 2: stuff coming up, a lot of cool shit. But first

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Speaker 2: football season is officially over, but that doesn't mean we're

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Speaker 2: News Boys, We are going to two episodes per week.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be dropping on Tuesday. We're gonna be dropping

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Speaker 2: on Thursday. This week we are dropping two episodes. We

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Speaker 2: got Dave Zigler today and then what do we say

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do Thursday? Max Homer on Thursday the boy

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Speaker 2: I think he got second over the weekend. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: A tough a tough one. Uh dude, he's a stud.

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Speaker 2: MAXI Styte came up. We did a lot of we

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Speaker 2: did a lot of cool shit over the super Bowl week.

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Speaker 2: We're interviewed Fred Warner, Christian McCaffrey, Burton Shane together, Max Oma,

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Speaker 2: who else, Dana White? We have Nickel back in the library.

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Speaker 2: That was a phenomenal one. A lot of cool shit.

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Speaker 2: But we are going to two week We're gonna try

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Speaker 2: to get these episodes offloaded for you guys. Trust me,

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Speaker 2: we know and we tease you guys and let you

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Speaker 2: know who we've had on you guys. Bitch and complain

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Speaker 2: and do the best possible thing you can do. And

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Speaker 2: that's cry about it. Uh for us to release the episodes.

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Speaker 1: So we will be up. We're going to two a week.

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Speaker 2: We will be going to two a week for I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I have no clue, I know until we

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Speaker 2: get to the spring tour, which will be mid March.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start doing our NCAA or college football spring

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Speaker 2: tour where we like. We went to Michigan, Tennessee, and

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Speaker 2: Nebraska last year. We got about four interviews at each spot,

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Speaker 2: dropped them on Monday Tuesday, did our regular programming on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: It'll be similar when we get to the spring tour.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of fucking content that's gonna be coming

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Speaker 2: along with.

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Speaker 1: All of that shit.

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Speaker 2: Dude, we got bus scenes that the boy Mitch has

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Speaker 2: been working on. Bus scenes just dropped with all the

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Speaker 2: guests that we had on in the Super Bowl Week.

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Speaker 2: We do Under the Hood. JP does those vlogs for

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Speaker 2: Under the Hood, so we have a lot of content

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Speaker 2: on our YouTube channel. If you are watching right now,

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Speaker 2: that stuff helps and the boys busting has been on

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Speaker 2: a heat recently. We were at Super Bowl Week and

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Speaker 2: some of these some of these big dogs coming up

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Speaker 2: to us pro surprising.

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Speaker 1: They're just like, hey, we love your shit. You guys

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Speaker 1: are you guys are awesome? Blah blah blah. You're kind

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Speaker 1: of just sitting there starstruck like Colin Coward one time.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, Cabo was a blast.

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Speaker 2: As you can tell your boy, I'm not even wearing

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Speaker 2: a hat, Like, is this the first time I've never

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Speaker 2: a you get a fresh little deal, you live a

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Speaker 2: little longer. On top of the wife, he compliments you

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Speaker 2: and then you start getting told that, hey, you look

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Jack, Yeah, it looks good. Do

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even notice say that you didn't have a

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Speaker 2: Good appreciate that I needed. That I needed that got

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Speaker 2: But for myself, I'm talking you got to reapply the

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Speaker 2: to stay safe. Day two, I went down to thirty SPF.

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Speaker 2: As you guys saw if you were keeping up with

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Speaker 2: me on social media, my belly button got a little

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Speaker 1: But it was a blasting cobo.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of more of a spring break vibe

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Speaker 2: than a relaxing vacation on our way back yesterday, I'm thinking, man,

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Speaker 2: I was like I was throttled pretty much every day.

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Speaker 2: So I slept in every day as long as I could,

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Speaker 2: Like you know, you know when you're like used to

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Speaker 2: I was doing that every day. But that kind of

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Speaker 2: real sleep. So now I feel like I need a

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Speaker 2: relaxing vacation. But it was a great time. Shout out

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Speaker 2: to the Lawan's Bree Chandler Roland solo because Mike Chandler

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Speaker 2: had to leave us, had to dip on us last

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Speaker 1: But we missed.

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Speaker 2: We missed Mike, We missed Mike Chandler and Cobo, anything

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Speaker 2: else before I go to these next topics that I

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Speaker 2: hit the upcoming episode, what's up coming, what's up in

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Speaker 2: the up in the tank? And if you're in Nashville, Oh,

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Speaker 2: here's a wrinkle for the spring tour, and even in

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Speaker 2: the lookout for all that shit at bustin WTBS. We're

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Speaker 2: at on all social media. Yeah, keep up with us there.

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Speaker 2: But this past week, being in Cabo, I didn't get

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Speaker 2: to check out the XFL. Did an't you guys get

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Speaker 2: to watch the XFL stuff. I love that Jack, I

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Speaker 2: love that you and Clumb shot at Jeremy Clump. I

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Speaker 1: It's all Clump dude loves ball, dude loves ball man.

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Speaker 2: But I love that we were shouting out the XFL

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Speaker 4: It does positive. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say it seems like a lot of

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Speaker 2: Like I saw AJ Brown tweet a this XFL is

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Speaker 1: H the Rock.

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Speaker 2: You see him out there midfield before it all starts.

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Speaker 2: He's got a fucking authentic game, jersey on. He got

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Speaker 2: Fifty four. You guys know why I were fifty four

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Speaker 2: I'm the number fifty fourth guy out there. Seven bucks

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Speaker 2: there was only seven bucks in my pocket. And yes,

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Speaker 2: I saw him out there just he was dropping gems.

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Speaker 2: But it is funny to see the rock because sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's like, brother, you don't need to do this much. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a mastership. For whatever reason, he's got a mastership

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Speaker 1: For greatness.

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Speaker 2: It's like, brother, slow down, kiss your kids, hang out

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Speaker 2: with your wife, Like, enjoy your money a little bit,

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Speaker 2: enjoy the fruits of your labor. But the XFL blush

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Speaker 1: What are those?

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Speaker 5: Was definitely the kickoff, so both teams starting five yards

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Speaker 5: But I think the the NFL, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: Bulls the kickoff one.

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Speaker 5: The kickoff one is so both teams essentially start five

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Speaker 5: Once that ball is caught, the two teams cannot move

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Speaker 5: essentially five yards apart. I don't know if you could

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Speaker 5: the both teams are are five yards apart. Once the

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Speaker 5: the collision is essentially from five yards apart as opposed

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Speaker 2: The players are five yards apart from show and then

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Speaker 2: right when the right when the returner catches the ball,

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Speaker 2: that's when they take off and correct the kickoff return.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 4: So they're trying to encourage the kickoff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they're they're encouraging the kickoff, is what they said.

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Speaker 5: But also like adding a safety element to it.

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Speaker 2: It takes a lot of a lot of strategy out

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Speaker 2: of it in the in the kick game. In the

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Speaker 2: it seems like everything's a one on one blocks that

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Speaker 4: You do you like it though? Like as far as

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Speaker 4: like safety, do you think.

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Speaker 1: That's as far as safety, it seems like a plus.

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Speaker 2: As far as like entertainment and violence, I think we

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Speaker 2: does a major step back for mankind and football. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, hey, safety, they're making it safe for I

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Speaker 2: would I would think in the XFL you want more,

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Speaker 3: More, like they were going a little more gritty.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll say I was gonna say the rumblings,

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Speaker 4: What I just kept dropping the link.

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Speaker 3: Thanks checking it out.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey was a stud like you, being open talking through everything,

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Speaker 1: But whatever teaching there or whatever, he she.

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Speaker 2: But uh no, it's kind of like you're like surprise

441
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Speaker 2: and also not surprised.

442
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Speaker 1: You're just like, you know, people are so fucking weird.

443
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Speaker 4: Man.

444
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Speaker 1: If you're that mad, like, go figure that's that's like.

445
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 2: You something's wrong internally, Like go figure that shit out

446
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 2: if you can't, if you can't see the whole the

447
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 2: thing that started off as humor and joke that built

448
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,640
Speaker 2: into this perfect segue to a podcast interview, and then

449
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 2: sitting down and having that conversation with Jeffy Star, who,

450
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Speaker 2: by the way, uh I don't think has been on

451
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Speaker 2: YouTube for a like a long time or something. He

452
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: just has like sixty something million followers I guess or subscribers.

453
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: Seems like a very savvy business person man, very savvy businessman,

454
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 2: he goes he is man, Yeah, very savvy businessman. And

455
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Speaker 2: I thought it was a good interview.

456
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Speaker 1: I listened to it.

457
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 2: I listened to all of it because I'm just you know,

458
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 2: I was like I was in the in the joke,

459
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: but I'm more just on Twitter, like bantering about it

460
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: and then like jab and Taylor and stuff like you know,

461
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 2: doing doing shit that guys do with each other. Okay stuff,

462
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: But but I wanted to listen to the interview, and

463
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 2: I thought it went awesome for just all the entire

464
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 2: dynamic of everything and Jeffrey coming in and talking about

465
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Speaker 2: I'm about the cup of Tanner at the end, like,

466
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 2: you know, shit was funny. But if people can't laugh

467
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: or not take shit, people are way too serious about

468
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: that ship. And it's like, yo, go figure your own

469
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: shit out. We don't need you to listen to the

470
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 2: bus with the boys. If you're going to be that.

471
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Speaker 4: You've been listening since day one.

472
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,639
Speaker 5: You can see the progression as well, and how like

473
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 5: you can see the way we joke, the way we

474
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 5: do things like and you can't understand that from being

475
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Speaker 5: a day one Like.

476
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, all right, are

477
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 2: you really take a fucking hike?

478
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: Brother?

479
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we might have lost like ten or so followers,

480
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 3: but we definitely gained like ten thousand, So for sure

481
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Speaker 3: it does not like.

482
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: Our subscribers we've been here. Yeah yeah, well not that

483
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 2: we don't want that. Yeah, we don't even want that

484
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: type of fucking exactly. Anyway, the Dave Zigler this our

485
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Speaker 2: first GM. He treated us real nice, had Taylor and

486
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 2: I over sent a car for us. We spent a

487
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: nice hour and a half with them, got us water afterwards.

488
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: It got a little rough, got a little rowdy in there,

489
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Speaker 2: our first GM. It was a very good experience. So

490
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Speaker 2: Dave Ziggler the GM of the Raiders, which Raider Nation,

491
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Speaker 2: You guys are gonna fucking love this interview. He's the

492
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Speaker 2: GM for the Raiders, but he was Taylor's guidance counselor

493
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: and I believe special teams coach when Taylor was in

494
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: high school, and Ziggler was very, uh pivotal in helping

495
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: Taylor focus up so he can get to Michigan. So

496
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: them reuniting and hearing the stories and back and forth

497
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 2: between them is really cool because you get an insight

498
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: on Taylor being the wild card that he was back

499
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Speaker 2: in the day.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and just Dave Ziggler.

501
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: His climb from being a fucking guidance counselor in high

502
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: school to working his way up through the process and

503
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: now he's the GM of the Raiders.

504
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Speaker 1: But very good episode.

505
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Speaker 2: The theme of Day of Dave Ziggler of zig like

506
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: to call him zig Uncle Zig. I love to call

507
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: him uncle Zig actually.

508
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: Is the fear fuck. Sorry, so got that little tickle

509
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: on my throat.

510
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: The theme of Dave Zigler is the fear of failure,

511
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: not being scared to fail. And you'll hear him allude

512
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: to that and talk about that a lot, and you

513
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: hear it throughout his process because he has climbed the ladder,

514
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: like through scouting, through the whole front office game, like

515
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: he's done the whole thing to be where he's at now.

516
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: Talks you know, hits on the Patriots.

517
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: And everything else, and we touched on the Derek Carr

518
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Speaker 2: situation and just a lot of things that he alludes

519
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: to is like, Yo, you know, I know him in

520
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 2: this position now, no clue how long it'll lasts. I

521
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: know I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna give it a

522
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: hell and I'm not gonna be afraid to fail. I'm

523
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Speaker 2: gonna go with my gut. I'm gonna go with my

524
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 2: instinct and it is a very good interview. I think

525
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 2: you guys are gonna like it a lot. Again, if

526
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Speaker 2: you're watching right now, make sure to subscribe. There's been

527
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: a lot of new subscribers. Welcome to the bus Boys.

528
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: We're all about being for the boys, champion each other.

529
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: It's a gritty little podcast. We have fun. We don't

530
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 2: take ourselves too seriously. But make sure you're subscribed Apple, Spotify,

531
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Speaker 2: Google Play YouTube, which hopefully you're watching on right now.

532
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: But all that stuff helps a lot, and then you

533
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: can follow us at bustin WTB. But hey, I'm sure

534
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: we have an ad read after this, but we will

535
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: jump into episode two oh two Dave Ziggler, the GM

536
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Speaker 2: of the Las Vegas Raiders before we jump into the

537
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Speaker 2: episode Saint Patrick's Day is coming, and I will not

538
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Speaker 2: I'm not fucking lieboys, I'm not yanking your chain.

539
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Speaker 1: The boy Garrett, he's put some heat together.

540
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Speaker 2: The lightning t's that are a bet that's been a

541
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: bestseller for everybody buying for their team that we've had

542
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: our Barstol store. We've made it that into a Saint

543
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Speaker 2: Patrick's Stay shirt, and then we also have like we

544
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: also have a hoodie like my favorite hoodie, the Secret Boys.

545
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Speaker 2: One kind of looks like that, kind of like the

546
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Speaker 2: off white a little bit and it's got like a

547
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Speaker 2: little eprachaun. Garrett, you got him, I see you, I

548
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Speaker 2: see you making your way over here.

549
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Speaker 1: Well there we go.

550
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Speaker 7: We got these boys, the fucking boys. Do this ship

551
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 7: is awesome, the fucking boys. We got the Leprecaun ripping

552
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 7: the bus back there for the fucking boys or busting

553
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Speaker 7: with the fucking boys.

554
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: And then here's our lightning tea. Do this ship is fired.

555
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: Right, but you can get all that store dot barstoolsports

556
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Speaker 2: dot com.

557
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Speaker 1: I'll say it again, go to store.

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Speaker 2: Dot barstol sports dot com to shop our Saint Patrick's

559
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Speaker 2: State collection.

560
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Speaker 1: Link is into the description. Check it out.

561
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we will be saturating your timelines with our

562
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Speaker 2: merchandise once this stuff does become available, because hey, Garrett

563
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: wants to become available Thursday. Then it becomes available Thursday.

564
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Speaker 2: So in two days, two days from now, instance, we're

565
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Speaker 2: on the wave of Saint Patrick's Day. Make sure you

566
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Speaker 2: are buying yourself a Busting with the boys. Whistle Pig

567
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Speaker 2: piggybackburb and age six years, heat up front, smooth, finished off,

568
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: a nice little what is it krimberlet finish like.

569
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: A little lotte, A subtle light.

570
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: Sweetness at the end, very warm, sits on top of

571
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: your stomach. It is very smooth. But yeah, make sure

572
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: whistle Pig we got that shit too. You go on

573
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: their site, just type in. If you go to Google,

574
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: use Google or bing or whatever, just type in Busting

575
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: with the Boys Bourbon and it'll take you straight there.

576
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: Hopefully delivers where you guys are at, ship store where

577
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: you guys are at. But it is available in all

578
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: Whistle Pig retailers. So if you got a if you

579
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 2: got a local retailer that carries whiskey, hey, do you

580
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: guys carry whistle Pick?

581
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Speaker 1: If they say yes, our bourbon should be in that store.

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Speaker 1: But got it.

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Speaker 2: Store barsool sports dot Com. San Patrick's a collection Busting

584
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Speaker 2: with the Boys Bourbon. Let's have a fucking day boys,

585
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: be a fucking wolf. Enjoy the episode with Dave Ziggler.

586
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Speaker 6: You so you were in a car like today, We're

587
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Speaker 6: this is David zil Everybody Busting with the Boys ripping

588
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Speaker 6: a pod. This is going to be an excellent podcast.

589
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 6: You you can already tell it's gonna be amazing. Yeah,

590
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 6: we're assuming here while the boys were setting up ten

591
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 6: to fifteen minutes, Zigg's out here putting on a show

592
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 6: for the boys over here. Max Crosby drove us over. Truly,

593
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 6: just the raiders, just get the Raider experience, the Raider

594
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 6: Raider Nation is riding. Yeah, but ZIGGI you were, uh,

595
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 6: we were going through text Hey can you come in

596
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 6: the pod? Yeah'll come in the pod. Can you do

597
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty first whole thing? Will is gonna leave tomorrow.

598
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 6: You're like, we're gonna do the twentieth. I'm taking my

599
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: kids to legal Land. I'm getting home before five.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

601
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Speaker 6: But you texted you must have been speeding on the

602
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 6: highwa because you're like, I'll be home before four o'clock.

603
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the pedals to the metal. Yeah, you were trying

604
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: to get the bus, trying to get on the bus,

605
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: trying to make it happen. And yeah, I had to

606
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: I had to break some you know, some of the

607
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Speaker 4: some street some street coats.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're in the autoboto.

609
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 4: I you were out there, kids buckle in three kids?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, what is it like driving getting the kids

611
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: driving home, you're on a solo mission with the kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is mental fortitude, mental toughness, patience. One of

613
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: my youth coaches always told me that cool head wins

614
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: a hot game. You know what I'm saying. You got

615
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 4: to have a cool head in that hot moment. There

616
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 4: was tensions got high a couple of times. Now, kids

617
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 4: are yelling, screaming, there's a fight in the back. Someone

618
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: got whipped with a coat in the eye. You know,

619
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 4: a zipper hit him in the eye.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it got adversity struck, niversity struck, and yeah,

621
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Speaker 8: I had to buckle down and just kind of, you know,

622
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 8: stay focused on what I came to do today, which

623
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Speaker 8: was be on this podcast. Ye yeah, Yeah, you were grinding,

624
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 8: and so you were putting in that work as a

625
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 8: dad and as a husband, knowing you were going to

626
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 8: get this reward.

627
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Speaker 4: Diet takes a hit on these trips to Now That's

628
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: why I was asking you when you guys have kids,

629
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Speaker 4: I mean the heartburn it goes high when you're eating

630
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: mini muffins, sour Patch kids, McDonald's, you're at Lego Land, uh,

631
00:28:52,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 4: Bunny Track's, King Cone. You know, I kind of finish

632
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 4: off the food too, you know what I mean. I

633
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: can't just be disregarding the food, so, like you know,

634
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: I go overtime on that too. So the body's hurting

635
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, the back's cramped up from

636
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: being in the car. But it was all for this moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done it.

638
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: It's all for this moment.

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00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 9: Hey, this moment is wild because when you got hired

640
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 9: to be the GM, Taylor, he's like he was my

641
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 9: guidance counselor in high school. That's the most like the

642
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 9: most wild ship guidance counselor to NFL GM. How in

643
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 9: the fuck do you make that climb to get to

644
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 9: to get to where you are now?

645
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 6: Because I really don't even know your story, Like, uh,

646
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 6: the Arnolds, you know the Arnolds, Like they would always

647
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 6: of keep me up to date and I didn't really

648
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: know what you were up to, and they're like, hey,

649
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 6: do you know like Ziggs like number two at the Patriots,

650
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 6: like Ziggler my high school counselor. Ziggler Like yes, and

651
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 6: so I would see you. But I low key feel

652
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 6: like you try to sabotage me every time we play

653
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 6: the Patriots, because I played there three times times two

654
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Speaker 6: out of those three times I saw.

655
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Speaker 4: You, I did not play well. Rough ghost rough ghosts.

656
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: The one gume I didn't see it was the twenty

657
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 6: nineteen playoffs. Yes, that get to myself and got balled.

658
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 6: We bawled that one.

659
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: But that was when you're playing you're playing chess with

660
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Dante I Tower.

661
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 6: Yeah I lost. Yeah, Yeah, I mean I definitely got

662
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 6: some early on set Cussy's because a lot.

663
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: I hit you with a lot of twists, a lot

664
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 4: of line games and stunts. Communication. You got to pick

665
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: it up. Yeah, yeah, we got you a couple of times,

666
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: I tell you.

667
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: And we just had Max on and he was talking

668
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 6: about how we were talking about Tadler Jones obviously and

669
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 6: obviously what happened to me when he's at the Cardinals.

670
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 6: But I was like, hey, even when I was healthy,

671
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 6: like the one player that's kind of had my number

672
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 6: the whole time has been Chandler Jones.

673
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 4: Yep, he's he's long lever guy. Yeah, super awkward mover.

674
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 6: Yes, un orthodox, that was like the word.

675
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: We change his speeds all the time. Yes, yeah, he's

676
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: he is a tough one to block.

677
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 6: But but go back to your high schoo counsel Yeah,

678
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 6: your high school counselor at Chaparral High School in Scott's, Arizona.

679
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I come see you, my senior.

680
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 6: We can go into all my stuff in a little bit,

681
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 6: but I want to know how you made it to

682
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 6: a GM of possibly the coolest franchise.

683
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Wild Wild Journey for sure. So when I met you, obviously,

684
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: I was a guidance counselor at Chaparral High School, special

685
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: teams coordinator, running backs and tight ends coach.

686
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: Definitely getting after.

687
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: After due, my cards drawn up like we were getting

688
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 4: after it and and so. And then prior to that,

689
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: I'd always been before I got to Chaparral, I'd been

690
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 4: coaching at the high school level. I was a social

691
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: studies teacher. And then at one point I kind of

692
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 4: football had always been like number one, you know, from

693
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: I played in you know, all the way through high school.

694
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 4: I played in college, small college, all that stuff. And

695
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: then you know, I before I got to Chaparral, I

696
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: wanted to get more into college football. So I g

697
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: ate at John Carroll University, which is where I went

698
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: coach receivers there and then I was there for two

699
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: years and then I took up you know, took the

700
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: big move up and went to one double A and

701
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: went to IONA in New Rochelle, New York. Coach wide

702
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: receivers there, coach special teams, and I was finishing my

703
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 4: master's degree in school counseling. At the same time at IONA,

704
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: I was only making so called restricted earnings. That's always

705
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: tell said kids out there, do not take a position

706
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 4: that has restricted earnings. That was seven thousand dollars for

707
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: the year. Oh no, way for the year. And so

708
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, this wasn't really cutting it.

709
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: And I had my master's degree and and again, so

710
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: we'll get to this, but Josh McDaniels and Nick Cassario,

711
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: who's now the GM of the Houston Texans, we all

712
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: played college football together, and so I'd really never wanted

713
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: to use them to try to level up, if you will.

714
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 4: I was kind of trying to make my own way

715
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 4: and do my own thing, and so eventually like kind

716
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: of ran out of places to go. I own it

717
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 4: with seven thousand dollars. I just finished my master's degree

718
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 4: in school counseling. So I was like going to go

719
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 4: back out to Arizona where I'd been before, and I

720
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 4: ended up at Chaparral, and so, to be honest with you,

721
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: when I was at Chaparral, I was trying to start

722
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: to make some moves of like what else can I do?

723
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: So I had interviewed for a position player development position

724
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 4: at Arizona State. I'd started a little LLC on the side,

725
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 4: all American Wide receiver training. I was trying to train

726
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 4: some receivers on the side and stuff like that. Yeah,

727
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: so I was trying to just figure out my way

728
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 4: and to be honest with you, you know again, it's

729
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: who you know. I was a bachelor party in Arizona.

730
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: It was coming off the eighteenth hole, just finished a

731
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: glorious round with the boys, and had a voicemail from

732
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels, who had just got hired as the head

733
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: coach of the Denver Broncos or he it was his

734
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 4: second year. He'd been hired the full year. And I

735
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: had a voicemail and it just said, Hey, have this

736
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: scouting assistant position opening. I want you to come up

737
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 4: and interview for it. What year was this? This was

738
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine. Okay, so this is the year

739
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: after you graduated. I graduated in nine, Yes, but I

740
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 4: was like two thousand and eight and nine. Yes, correct.

741
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: And I didn't really even know what scouting was about,

742
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: to be honest with you. Like I mean, like I've

743
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 4: been a fan of the NFL, but you know, like

744
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: when you're growing up, you don't really know that there's

745
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: a scouting department and how it's all built on the

746
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: other side, you see the players and you see the coaches.

747
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: And I always wanted to coach, so I really didn't

748
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 4: even know what it was about. But I was like, yeah,

749
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: I'm about to go up and do this interview.

750
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: So initially though you're wanting to you're wanting to be

751
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: in the coaching ranks.

752
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's kind of how I was trying to

753
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 4: make my way, you know what I mean. And that's

754
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: when I went to the Arizona State thing is player development.

755
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 4: I was trying to get into player development so then

756
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 4: I could probably try to get into coaching, you know

757
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 4: what I mean, to get my foot in the door

758
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: at a bigger school. And so and so, anyway, I

759
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: go up and interview, and again he's the head coach,

760
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But it was it was

761
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: a painful interview, like it was like getting grilled for

762
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: like six hours, had to write up all these reports.

763
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: I didn't even know what the hell I was doing.

764
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I get the job.

765
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: The job turns out to be taking guys to the airport,

766
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: taking guys to go get physicals, making sure that the

767
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: depth charts in the pro director's office was organized, making

768
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 4: these point of attack tapes, which is like a strength

769
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: and weakness's tape that we do on all the draft

770
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: draft prospects. That's what I did. And so anyway, that's

771
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 4: how I got there. So it was again a long

772
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: journey of always being involved in football and trying to

773
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 4: find my way and and and you know again, I

774
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: was at coaching high school in Ohio. Then I coached

775
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 4: high school for a couple of years in Arizona, and

776
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: then I left Arizona and I went to John Carroll

777
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: and I gad for two years. And then I left

778
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 4: being a GA for two years, and I went to Iona.

779
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: Then I left Iona, and I moved back across the

780
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 4: country and ended up at Chaparral and trying to figure

781
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: out this path, and then this thing kind of got

782
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: dropped on me in.

783
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 6: Eighteenth hole, probably a few deep, too few deep yeah,

784
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 6: yeah for sure, like.

785
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 4: Your buddy, yeah yeah, yeah, Like you're not hearing it right?

786
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: You want me to do what? Yeah?

787
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 6: So how many times did you go through the interview

788
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 6: process before?

789
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Like it was like two interviews you get called backs.

790
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: It was two interviews, two interviews. Yeah, and then and

791
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: then I got the call back and got the job.

792
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: And then it was crazy though, because that year, that

793
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 4: was the year Josh got let go. He got let

794
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 4: go like seven months into me being in the NFL

795
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: for my first year, and then I stayed on for

796
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: two more years in Denver with John Fox. Amazing dude. Yeah,

797
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 4: I never worked for John Fox. John Fox is one

798
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: of the all time greats, Like just he's awesome. And

799
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 4: and then you know, went from there to New England

800
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 4: and you know, now I'm here with the Raiders.

801
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: So what made you figure out that was the like

802
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: the carrier of the path you wanted to kind of

803
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 2: stay in verse trying to get back in the coach

804
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: trying to wiggle back into the coaching ranks.

805
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. The one thing was I started to kind of

806
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 4: get down the path of scouting and having some success.

807
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: Like I was in that role for a year and

808
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 4: then the next year they promoted me, and then the

809
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: next year they promoted me. So I was like kind

810
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: of making this climb up this ladder, you know what

811
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: I mean. And and I had a couple opportunities to

812
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: go back into coaching once I was in scouting for

813
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: a couple of years, but I felt like I was

814
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 4: already kind of making progress and I didn't want to

815
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 4: start back over. And then to start over and coaching,

816
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: you know, you have to be a quality control coach.

817
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: I'm like, hell, that's Arthur Smith. That's a brutal deal.

818
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 4: I had already ga'd for two years. And I was like,

819
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: no thanks.

820
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: You're like the whipping boy.

821
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no disrespect then yeah, yeah, exactly.

822
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 4: And the coaching side was even more volatile, do you

823
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And like the cool thing about

824
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: scouting is a little bit like when you get into it,

825
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: you're a little bit of an independent contractor and in

826
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: the sense of like, okay, like you have this, you

827
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: have this stuff that you have to do. You have

828
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: to evaluate all these prospects for the draft. But it's

829
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: like the date is like, Okay, you start in the

830
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: fall and you have to have it all done by

831
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: January fifteenth, So however you choose to get that done.

832
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: It's your way of getting it done, do you know

833
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 4: what I mean. I mean, you have deadlines, you have

834
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: to meet again along the way, but like your day

835
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 4: is kind of up to you where you know, when

836
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: you're coaching, like you have meetings in the morning, and

837
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: then you have meetings before practice, and then you're at practice,

838
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 4: then you have meetings after practice, then you have another

839
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: staff meeting at the end of the night, and it's like,

840
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, like just all that routine. I just

841
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: kind of got attracted to the idea of like you

842
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 4: were more in control of your day. You're more in

843
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: control of like the year, and and a little less

844
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: volatile than the coaching side, because you know, like the

845
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 4: coach gets you know, blown out. Everybody goes right, like

846
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 4: every coach goes. Scouting's a little bit I mean, it's

847
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 4: it's becoming more volatile, but there's a little bit more

848
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: consistency to it. And so yeah, that's why I end

849
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: up staying with it. I kind of just got down

850
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: that path and was kind of having some success and

851
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I like this, I'm gonna keep

852
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 4: going with it.

853
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: The obsession, the passion for football has got to be

854
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: why you're you were chasing it for so.

855
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: Long, right, I mean, what a like a road to

856
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: end up getting here?

857
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: Like you're working seven thousand dollars, you're doing all these jobs,

858
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: You're looking for opportunities. Literally, it sounded like every year like, well,

859
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: let me try to go to Arizona State and then

860
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: maybe I can wiggle my way in here. I'm looking,

861
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever just to try to figure it out.

862
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: Talk about that love for the game that you have.

863
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's funny. It's like the one thing that

864
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: I've always been good at. And again on my level

865
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 4: of being good, like I wasn't six two and you know,

866
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety five pounds, but I always I

867
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 4: always found like the most success and what came easiest

868
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 4: to me was football. Like school wasn't like I had

869
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: to study to get good grades. In football. I wasn't

870
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: walking in and like getting an A on a test,

871
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't study, I was getting an F.

872
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean. And so like, yeah,

873
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 4: that's another story that transcript when.

874
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: It came.

875
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was just something like it always came.

876
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: Like again, I always had success. It came easy to

877
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: me to a degree, and I just just always loved it.

878
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: Like when I grew up, like we were playing football

879
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: in the backyard, like you were getting knocked around, bloody nose,

880
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: losing tea, guys that are losing teeth. Like that's like

881
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: I just grew up playing football, and I grew up

882
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: loving it, and it always came easy to me. And

883
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: it always was something like I loved the physicality of

884
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 4: the game. I loved you know, I loved scoring touchdowns.

885
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: I loved being like being with the team. I just

886
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: loved every part of it from like I'm talking to

887
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: from eight years old all the way up. It was

888
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 4: just the one thing that I always loved was always constant,

889
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: you know for me, and so like, uh so, this

890
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: job is a dream, like truly a dream, do you

891
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like one, I never thought I

892
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: was a guidance counselor. I never thought it was gonna

893
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 4: be an NFL GM Are you kidding me? Like that's

894
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 4: just like wild, do you know what I mean? And

895
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: to be able to go in the office every day

896
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: and like I'm watching film, you know, I'm dealing with football,

897
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 4: I mean, and just then it's most basic. I could

898
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 4: go on and on, but it's most basically. It's like

899
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: it's not work, do you know what I mean? Like

900
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 4: I'm doing something I've loved since I was eight years

901
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 4: old every day and I'm just so grateful and appreciative

902
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 4: of being able to do it, like truly am, especially

903
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: because of my path to get here. And so yeah,

904
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 4: just that's what it is, just true love, you know,

905
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,240
Speaker 4: for from like as soon as I could start playing,

906
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 4: I fell in love with the game and it's been

907
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: in love with it ever since.

908
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that hustle in all of the

909
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: different areas that's helped that helps with the you know,

910
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: the I guess I was gonna say experience because but

911
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: you're a new NFL GM, But do you feel like

912
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: all of that experience prior helps you become the GM

913
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: that you are because you were driving guys from the airport,

914
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: do other physical stuff, breaking down tape, scouting reports, being

915
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: a coach, being doing all these different things, you feel

916
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: like a lot of that has has you know, is

917
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: uh has played into you being a GM. I'm not

918
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I'm worning that or landing the

919
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: plane that well, do you know what I'm saying?

920
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got.

921
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 6: I kind of got the idea of what you're saying,

922
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 6: like all the experiences of it, like the unique route

923
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 6: you've had to go on.

924
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 4: I feel, like he.

925
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Said, in a lot of the in a lot of

926
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: the seats, Yeah, to where he can understand perspective from

927
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: a lot of the jobs that are below that.

928
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: Are you know, below you the people that work for.

929
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: You, Yeah, I think that. And I think my experience

930
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: of being a teacher and being a guidance counselor not

931
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: being in the NFL right away has given me some

932
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 4: perspective in terms of like I'm true. Like I said,

933
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: I I am truly grateful and appreciative to have the

934
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: job that I have, and I try to carry that

935
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 4: attitude into work every day and being consistent, treating people

936
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: the right way, having a positive attitude, not making the

937
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 4: moment too big and letting the job get too big

938
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: and kind of overwhelming. And I think like my other

939
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: experiences and like again like being a guidance counselor, to

940
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: be honest with you, And this was even at Chaperon,

941
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 4: which was a you know, a wealthy school. I mean

942
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: I dealt with kids that were dealing with like heavy

943
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: issues drug abuse, suicide, like you know, like and so

944
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: like again like these moments, this is still football. And

945
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: so for me, like all that has given me a perspective,

946
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: like some of my past experiences of like what my

947
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 4: attitude and how I look at the job and how

948
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: I handle the job, because you can get overwhelmed and

949
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 4: there are a lot of stressful things that come across

950
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: your play. There is a lot of work, there is

951
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure, and you could let it kind

952
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 4: of like bury you. And I was, you know, again,

953
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: I'll go on a tangent, but I was always curious.

954
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 4: I've always been curious to know, like I've seen people

955
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: become a head coach and you guys have seen this too.

956
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 4: A guy that was a position coach or a guy

957
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 4: that you was in a different role, they become a

958
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: head coach and they become a GM. That pressure can

959
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: change you, oh absolutely. And I was always curious of

960
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: how that was going to go for me because I

961
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: knew that it could happen, and people were always like,

962
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: you know, I was always like, well, I'm going to

963
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: be this way if I ever get this job. But

964
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: I also knew from seeing other people. I didn't really

965
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: truly know if I was going to be able to

966
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 4: be this way when I say this way, just be consistent, yeah,

967
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 4: and you know what I mean. And that was the

968
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: one thing that like, I think my life experiences have

969
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: helped me kind of have a little bit perspective on that.

970
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 6: And like having the awareness you do too, because the

971
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 6: things I've been in situations where a position coach was

972
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 6: put in as an interim coach, a head coach, and

973
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 6: just the interim tag, they completely change their attitude, their mindset,

974
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 6: how they handle themselves with other players, and it's like, Yoho,

975
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 6: who the fuck is this guy? Like I thought you

976
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 6: were this man, Now you're this guy. But with you

977
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: like the awareness of being like, well, how am I

978
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 6: going to handle if I have this level of success?

979
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 6: And it's totally different, Like my experience with the Titans.

980
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 6: I love John Robinson to death. I think he's a

981
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 6: phenomenal guy. Like he put a lot of trust in

982
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 6: me and I did my best to like support him

983
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 6: in that situation. But he did a he would keep

984
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 6: very much business like, he would keep business relationships. He

985
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 6: would not get very close to the players, like you'd

986
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 6: have to get conversations. But it really wasn't like that

987
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 6: with you just sitting in here before, Like while we're

988
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 6: setting up, you're like, basically, this is fucking cool. I'm

989
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 6: a I'm a GM, And like you're like, you're kind

990
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: of like you said, you're kind of getting a taste

991
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 6: of what fame is, and like you're you seem to

992
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 6: be handling it gracefully. You seem to be handling it

993
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 6: as if like you're not taking it for granted, like

994
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 6: you're really embracing the moment because you don't how long

995
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 6: it's gonna be, Like this is a door of the NFL.

996
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 6: Does that how does that play a factor for you?

997
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 6: When you're like, Okay, I'm the GM right now, Like

998
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 6: we're on top. Right three years ago, I was making probos.

999
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Well, yeah, stuff, you're on top.

1000
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Coming, you're on top.

1001
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: I mean, you know the class. But you know what

1002
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: I'm saying, you did it for a year. Yeah, that's cool.

1003
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 4: Top part was before the season started, everyone was asking

1004
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 4: me like, how's it going.

1005
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: You guys really was saying you guys are winning the AFC.

1006
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 6: The Chiefs will not make the playoffs.

1007
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 4: I'm like it's I can swear right. Yeah, I'm like

1008
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: fucking great. I'm like, none of our none of the

1009
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: trades stink, none of our draft picks. Have you.

1010
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Like?

1011
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: This is awesome? I kept telling my wife, kept telling

1012
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: Chris like just wait, like it's smooth now, like it's coming.

1013
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 4: I knew it was coming, just because that's that's like

1014
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: Twitter and everything, like that's how it is, do you

1015
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And so, but again, like back

1016
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: to the question of like of of handling all that

1017
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: in the perspective of it is. I think for me,

1018
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 4: like like it could you don't it could end next year.

1019
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: You don't really know like how it all is gonna go,

1020
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And so like for me,

1021
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: I just I don't know. I'm just so again, like

1022
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 4: I always I tell myself a lot, like dude, you're

1023
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: the GM of the Raiders, you know what I mean,

1024
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: Like you were a guidance counselor, like keep things in perspective,

1025
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? Like keep it level

1026
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: and just enjoy the moment. And I try to not.

1027
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 4: And I think because of that mindset, I don't let it.

1028
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 4: I don't have I don't let decisions My decisions aren't

1029
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 4: driven by like just trying to stay alive, do you

1030
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like the fact that I got

1031
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: to this position and I have this job is like

1032
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 4: we talked about, it's kind of wild to think compared

1033
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: to where we were in two thousand and eight. So

1034
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: I don't let fear or like the fear of failure,

1035
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 4: the fear of failure being fired like drive decisions. I'm

1036
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: just we're gonna just we're gonna swing, and we also

1037
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 4: have a vision of how we want to do things,

1038
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: and we're just gonna go and and I believe that

1039
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: it's gonna work, do you know what I mean? Obviously

1040
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: that's what That's why I'm gonna do things the way

1041
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 4: that I do. I believe we're gonna win here. I

1042
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: believe that we're gonna build something that's going to be

1043
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 4: compete for championships and you know, ultimately, you know, get

1044
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: us to where we want to go and and for

1045
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 4: the Raiders to be a team that's everybody looks at

1046
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: and says like like like the Green Bay Packers and

1047
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: the Baltimore Ravens and the Pittsburgh Steelers, like they're always

1048
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: kind of around, you know what I mean, they may

1049
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 4: have a down year here or there, but when you

1050
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: look at the longevity of those teams, and there's more

1051
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: that I can name besides those teams. Tho are the

1052
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: ones that popped up in my head. Patriots being another one,

1053
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 4: Like they're always they're always kind of around and and

1054
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: I believe we're gonna get there, uh doing it the

1055
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 4: way that we're gonna the way that we want to

1056
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 4: do it. But I don't I'm not gonna do anything

1057
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: and and divert for that because I'm like scared of

1058
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 4: something or.

1059
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: Trying to like keep keep you know, keep your job here.

1060
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna buy two more years if we do this

1061
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: or that, Like I just that's not how I'm wired.

1062
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go down like that.

1063
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 2: What are some of those new challenges that you're learning

1064
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: of being a GM, because, like you said, you've witnessed

1065
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 2: some of the guys before you or that you worked

1066
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 2: under and be like, you know, when I get to

1067
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: run out, I'm going to necessarily do it like that.

1068
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: But ultimately, I don't know what.

1069
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what are some of those things you're

1070
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: learning through your first year being a GM.

1071
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think though like the one thing is like

1072
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: just prioritizing tasks. And I've said this before in other interviews,

1073
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 4: but it's like real, like the amount of things you

1074
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 4: can get distracted by that aren't football related. Whether it's

1075
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: whether it's something that's going on with the fields or

1076
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 4: meals or you know, the player development wants to you

1077
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 4: know meet, or you know, maybe it's an outside sponsorship

1078
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 4: thing that's going on. Like there's a lot of things

1079
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 4: that are going on outside. And then it's just the

1080
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: the scouting stuff too, whether it's okay, pro scouting versus

1081
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 4: college scouting, versus watching guys on the practice squad versus

1082
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 4: there's all these you know, guys that are on the street.

1083
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: You have to figure out like what's important now, Like

1084
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 4: what is really important now? What do you need to

1085
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: do now? And just mastering that is tough. You can

1086
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: kind of like I sometimes you could go down a

1087
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 4: path and be like wait a minute, like I'm going

1088
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 4: down this hole, but like this other thing is actually

1089
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: more pressing. I need to go I should be doing that.

1090
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 4: And you've kind of learned like how to prioritize things.

1091
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 4: But that's a real challenge, is just trying to figure

1092
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: out like what's important now, because it all can feel

1093
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 4: important now, you know what I mean, especially your first

1094
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 4: year on the job. So that's definitely a challenge. I

1095
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: would say that, you know, the other thing that's you

1096
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: kind of kind of navigating things like that is like

1097
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: giving everybody in the building the personal time that they need.

1098
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 4: Like you can easily feel like every all this all

1099
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 4: this shit's going on. You have to take care of

1100
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: all that you have, all these different things. I have

1101
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 4: a list it right now in my computer of it's

1102
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: the off season, forty things that I need to get done.

1103
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: And as a leader, though, like you also have to

1104
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 4: work to create personal relationships with people in the building,

1105
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 4: your other scouts. Like I could easily close my door

1106
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 4: and not talk to anybody for months and just work,

1107
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? But like, you know,

1108
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 4: creating a relationship with the guys in the strength and

1109
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 4: conditioning department, or creating like the guys in the equipment room,

1110
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 4: like everybody, you need to you need to give everybody

1111
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: your time to a degree to build camaraderie, to build

1112
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: to build that culture where everybody's pulling in the right direction.

1113
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: You have to invest in in you know, in personal relationship.

1114
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: You have to invest in other people's growth. I have

1115
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: to take time and teach the younger scouts that are

1116
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 4: scouting assistance some of the philosophies and the way that

1117
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: I want things done. And other people can teach them too,

1118
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 4: but it you know, it means more if I'm teaching them.

1119
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 4: And so finding time to build and invest those all

1120
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 4: those other relationships when they're not it's not football oriented,

1121
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: it's just personal stuff. That's a huge challenge is finding

1122
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 4: the time to do that. But it's one of the

1123
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,439
Speaker 4: most important things at the same time.

1124
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 6: Uh, taking him back for a second to when you're

1125
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 6: with the Patriots, like that is a well oiled machine,

1126
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 6: and it's a uniquely done machine too. With Belichick really

1127
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 6: has free rein to do whatever you want. He like

1128
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 6: wears a lot of hats in that building. When you

1129
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 6: get the call and you say, all right, you're gonna

1130
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 6: become the GM of the Raiders and you walk away

1131
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 6: from a culture that is arguably one of the best

1132
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 6: cultures in the NFL and you go here, like, what

1133
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 6: are the first things you do to check off? Like

1134
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 6: this is how I want to set the foundation and

1135
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 6: this is what we need to work on Like what

1136
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 6: did you see? It was like a some that the

1137
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 6: Raiders really need to fix when you came into Vegas. Yeah,

1138
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 6: this is a unique, right, It's like the first couple

1139
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: of years, you're like they're in a new location, they

1140
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 6: have there, whether they're like they haven't really been in

1141
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 6: it like those other teams you said, but they're the Raiders.

1142
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: Everyone knows who the Raiders are.

1143
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 6: You're talking about when you were a kid, Like being

1144
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 6: a Raiders fan is cool, even when they're not winning.

1145
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 4: It's just cool to be a Raiders fan. Yes, so you're.

1146
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 6: Walking into not necessarily historically successful franchise, but you're walking

1147
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 6: to a franchise that everybody knows about. And there's you're

1148
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 6: you're the top guy. Now you're number one.

1149
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: I would say two things. I would say one thing

1150
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 4: that was unique about the Raiders is, and you were

1151
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 4: around a little bit, there was a lot of turmoil

1152
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 4: that they had been through, a lot of you know,

1153
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 4: a lot of especially last year, Yeah, a lot of

1154
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: a lot, a lot and and last year then and

1155
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: moving the team from Oakland. There's just a lot of

1156
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 4: like kind of the last I don't know, maybe like

1157
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 4: three or four years.

1158
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: A lot of in when a ten year contract with

1159
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: Gruden correct if they were investing long term, like.

1160
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: Looking to build this thing, and it kind of yeah,

1161
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: a lot of.

1162
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: Kind of left the center alone. And so I think

1163
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 4: there was a need organizationally for like to build like

1164
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 4: to quickly build some stability, do you know what I mean?

1165
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 4: And I think like, so there was this need for

1166
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 4: Josh and I think specifically to work on creating a

1167
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 4: lot of relationships and like investing again going back to

1168
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 4: the relationship piece, but investing personal time and getting to

1169
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 4: know people. And what we didn't do when we went

1170
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 4: in there is we didn't go in there and drop

1171
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 4: a bomb and fire everybody, because that does happen, right

1172
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 4: a new coach and a new GM comes by and

1173
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: they just wipe out everybody. We tried to really take

1174
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 4: the time and get to know a lot of the

1175
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: people that had been there, because a lot of the people,

1176
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 4: as you know, had been there not just like four

1177
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: or five years. There's people that been there fifteen, twenty years.

1178
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 4: And so we went in there and got to know

1179
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 4: a lot of the people. And what we figured out

1180
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 4: is there was a lot of good people there, and

1181
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 4: so we invested and kept a lot of those people,

1182
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: and so I think the one thing was just there

1183
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 4: was we had to the best way to say it

1184
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: is like we had to earn their trust and respect

1185
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 4: as much as they needed to earn ours. But I

1186
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 4: think that was needed because of all like kind of

1187
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: the upheaval and things like that, and so trying to

1188
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 4: build some consistency with relationships was one. On the scouting side,

1189
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: I would say from the Patriots, and again, this isn't

1190
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: this isn't a knock. Everybody has different ways that they

1191
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: do things. The thing with the Patriots from a scouting

1192
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 4: is it's super detailed, no stone left them turned, character,

1193
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: background research, understanding the role for the player. Like when

1194
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 4: I say we're gonna bring in Will Compton, it's not

1195
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, we're gonna bring in Will Compton to

1196
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: play linebacker. It's like, we're gonna bring in Will Compton.

1197
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: He's gonna get to the game on fourth down. He's

1198
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: gonna be a three to four phase player in the

1199
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 4: kicking game. So you're gonna be there every week. He's

1200
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 4: gonna be the fifth linebacker. As the fifth linebacker, he's

1201
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: gonna be a first and second down guy. He's not

1202
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: gonna play in sub like that kind of communication and

1203
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: that specific, Like being that specific and detailed was something

1204
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: new for be new for a lot of places, but

1205
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 4: it was new for our scouting department. Are talking our

1206
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: language the like again the speciificity of the role and

1207
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 4: then the detail of what we want in terms of background,

1208
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: research and character because for us, like the culture fit

1209
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 4: like it's the yeah, the skill set is this, but

1210
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: how do they fit culturally? What are they going to

1211
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 4: bring to the room in terms of football intelligence? What

1212
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 4: are they going to bring to the room in terms

1213
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 4: of like again like the personal and social aspect, how

1214
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 4: are they going to fit in the room, and how

1215
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 4: is their room going to react to them? Like those

1216
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: are all conversations we have and we're going to add

1217
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 4: just one player, and so I think that was a

1218
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 4: little bit different from what they've done in the past.

1219
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 4: And so those were two things. I mean, I could

1220
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 4: go on and on, but those were two things that

1221
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: I think were needed and that we kind of one

1222
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: that were needed and then that I took from New

1223
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 4: England and brought here.

1224
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 6: It seems like you know a lot about Will Compton,

1225
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 6: Like what's the scouting report on Will Compton.

1226
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened. Hey, that's funny too. You brought that

1227
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: up when we met in Tennessee. You're like, hey, last week,

1228
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: I was actually thinking about the potential of bringing you

1229
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: in and what's the deal.

1230
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: Why can't we get play on that?

1231
00:55:59,760 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1232
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: Why can we get playoff?

1233
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1234
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:03,919
Speaker 1: Games?

1235
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 4: It was cool.

1236
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: He seeks me out. He said, Hey, Dans, I'm the

1237
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: GM with the Raiders.

1238
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, like, this is Taylor's guidance counselor from Yeah,

1239
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: you know, nice to meet you, and we said all

1240
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: the Steven joked a little bit. You know, I'm like, hey,

1241
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: you're t I started doing a punt sit in front

1242
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: of my mike.

1243
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: Get you, I get you?

1244
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you a try out? Right now? What

1245
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: do you want to see? And we're laughing.

1246
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: This the scouting report on Will Lunch pale guy. Hold yeah,

1247
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 4: but hold on, let me throw I got I got.

1248
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 6: You were with the Patriots in two thousand. When'd you

1249
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 6: come out to in thirteen thirteen?

1250
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 4: That was my first year. Okay, do you remember Will

1251
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 4: Compton twenty thirteen?

1252
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't.

1253
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 4: That's okay, I don't.

1254
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 6: He was under Yeah, that's okay.

1255
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: And I wasn't on the I wasn't on the college

1256
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: scouting side either. I was a pro scout at the time.

1257
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: Sean McVay would have remembered.

1258
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 8: Seein he has a much better memory.

1259
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 6: So let's go Will Compton when there was more tread

1260
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 6: on the tires.

1261
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 4: Let's say, yeah, four years ago, yep, hard nosed. Oh,

1262
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 4: instinctive in terms of reading blocking patterns, like you know,

1263
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: the pooler goes, Will's gone, he's off the spot and

1264
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 4: he's coming downhill. Undersized, but we'll take yep.

1265
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 8: It's true, limited athletically undersized.

1266
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: But what we always look forward does he have a

1267
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 4: willingness to take on like Will wasn't scared to go

1268
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 4: down and put his face mask on somebody. You know.

1269
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 4: Not the longest guy in terms of arm length here

1270
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: we're not talking about thirty four inch arms, you know

1271
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1272
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: We saw myself at the arm and.

1273
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 4: You know so. But so there there was you know, physicality,

1274
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 4: but there was a tendency to get caught up on

1275
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 4: some blocks. Yeah, you know, so he he had to

1276
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 4: win with his instincts, being able to read kind of

1277
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 4: the read the play, read the formation, get off the

1278
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 4: spot quick short airy quickness was not bad with this guy.

1279
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 4: Now in a short space. I'm not talking about going,

1280
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 4: but he had some short, short area quickness and explosiveness

1281
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 4: to beat blockers at the point, get downhill, good rap tackler,

1282
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 4: get guys to the ground. You want him on first

1283
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 4: and second down. Didn't really see a big role on

1284
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: third down in terms of getting in space and really covering.

1285
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: He'd use his instincts in zone to be able to

1286
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: get in the windows and squeeze on guys and take

1287
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 4: guys out of the play. So that was kind of

1288
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 4: the passing side of him. And then on the kicking game,

1289
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 4: hell on, hell on wheelsbody instinctive, you know, But the

1290
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 4: college character, that's all the adjective. Lunch pale guy. You

1291
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 4: know you're gonna love him in the room, you know, strength, strength, strength,

1292
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 4: Staff loves this guy, date your daughter type. You know.

1293
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: I don't know about that one, but I'm just telling

1294
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: you what they said. You know it's gonna be. He's

1295
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 4: gonna be every coach's dream, Gonna work hard, give you

1296
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: everything you got, you know, bring guys along with them.

1297
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: So he had all the intangibles to back to this year,

1298
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: there was a threshold it's playoff Willie, you know what

1299
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 4: I mean? So you you don't want to squeeze the

1300
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 4: juice too early, you know what I'm saying. So we

1301
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 4: we you did say what our record was, do you

1302
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 4: know what I mean? And so we were kind of

1303
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: always fighting uphill we started off oh and three, and

1304
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: so we were kind of when we won three or

1305
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 4: four in a row, and so like the Willie meters

1306
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: started going a little bit, you know, But then we

1307
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: lost a couple of close ones and it was less

1308
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 4: like if I'm gonna bring we're gonna bring playoff Willy in.

1309
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 4: It's gotta be you're bringing him into punch at home

1310
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: to take it over.

1311
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: Is that legit?

1312
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 4: Striking?

1313
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: Is that legit?

1314
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 6: That's how I feel when you when you were the boss.

1315
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying when we were in Tennessee and you

1316
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: were like, hey, last week, I was thinking about is

1317
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: that legit?

1318
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: You're like taking into account where we could be at.

1319
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 4: One hundred percent with you in particular, I appreciate that.

1320
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: I feel.

1321
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 6: Everything the narrative you've written for yourself via the bird.

1322
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 6: I actually just come to fruition.

1323
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: I appreciated his breakdown too, just because like he said

1324
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: some of the things that like, you know, you don't

1325
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: know necessarily, like when he says rap tackler, like not

1326
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: a thumper. He talks about the short, short area of stuff.

1327
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: You talked about the third down stuff, and I I

1328
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: feel like that is all. Yeah, I feel like he

1329
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: nails me better than I appreciate it.

1330
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 6: Greater nation should be happy. You hold on. I want

1331
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 6: to make you guys were legit was there a legitic

1332
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 6: and there was a legit consideration to bring him.

1333
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 4: In and and and because of like his just talking

1334
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 4: to guys like Max and guys that were with him

1335
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 4: the year before and and and again this is just

1336
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 4: just what they said, like the he he he brings

1337
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 4: a level of excitement, a level of juice, a level

1338
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 4: of energy to practice lightheartedness, you know. And and and

1339
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 4: I think guys appreciate that, you know what I mean.

1340
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 4: And so and he's consistent with it from what they said.

1341
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 4: And so, Yeah, to bring somebody that's gonna bring positive energy,

1342
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: that's going to take on any role that you're willing

1343
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 4: to give him, that's gonna bust their asset practice, that's

1344
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: gonna bring good vibes like good Yeah, that was it.

1345
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like sitting there, you know, you're smiling

1346
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: a little.

1347
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, give me, let's turn the page. What I did

1348
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 6: want to well, let's turn the page to the negative category.

1349
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 6: I want to hear the bad. I want to hear

1350
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 6: the bad about Will Compton well or your negative shots.

1351
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 4: Well, the bad would be well, the bad would be

1352
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: first and second down only not gonna really have a

1353
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 4: roll on third down because the coverage stuff isn't good enough,

1354
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: doesn't have enough speed to like matching man and run

1355
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 4: with tight run with Darren Waller down the seam and

1356
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: things of that nature.

1357
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: I like them up every day and practice. But go ahead.

1358
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: I did mention the arm length. Yeah, it's you know,

1359
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 4: so there's gonna be a tendency to get caught on

1360
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 4: some blocks, big long, physical offensive lineman, like you know,

1361
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to come down and hit you with

1362
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 4: his face or beat you with quickness, and so there's

1363
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 4: gonna be times where he just gets locked up because

1364
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: he doesn't have that arm length. Really, that's about it.

1365
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:48,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad.

1366
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 2: I know, like when I when I think it was

1367
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: sixteen or seventeen, when Zach Brown had came in and

1368
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: then I got demoted to like the number three guy.

1369
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 7: Uh.

1370
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 2: When Kirk Aalvadayce sat out with me, it was more

1371
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: of like when deciding between like myself and Mason Foster,

1372
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: it was more of like Mason could get out of

1373
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 2: the consensus in the scouting department. Mason could get out

1374
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: of more bad situations than I could. I usually had

1375
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: to be right the majority of the time to make

1376
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: all the plays I needed to make. In my head,

1377
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, I am, I'm gonna be right the

1378
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 2: majority of the time.

1379
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: But that's usually like the consensus is he's.

1380
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: Gotta, he's gotta, you know, guess right, I guess the

1381
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: majority of time because it's hard to get out of

1382
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: bad situations because of all the limited all the limited

1383
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: ceiling stuff that is placed on the player. Yeah, white short,

1384
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: but always let me know I had short arms. Will

1385
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 2: we're not putting you on punt return like you're not

1386
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: gonna be able to get your arms on.

1387
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 4: Guys, so your arms aren't exceptionally long.

1388
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, exceptional And I felt those long

1389
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: terms a couple of weeks ago. But even when you

1390
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 2: had those long arms, I had to like the feet

1391
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 2: I had, like the feet, hands, just to try to

1392
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: get inside.

1393
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: I know that I had you exceptional athlete though, and

1394
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 4: I will say this. I will say this about about

1395
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 4: Taylor luwan Is here we go. He came to Chaparral

1396
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 4: his senior year. Now, this guy was playing nose tackle

1397
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 4: at Cactus Shadows. I don't even know if they put

1398
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 4: him on the offensive line at the time.

1399
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 6: Side note, Yeah, my sophomore year, I would move up

1400
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 6: to varsity a big deal, and they put me a

1401
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 6: left tackle. Tray Stevens got three sacks in a row

1402
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 6: on me. I couldn't get in on my stands, so

1403
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 6: they put him back tackle.

1404
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 4: But when we when we had when we brought Taylor

1405
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 4: in and we moved him to left tackle, and we

1406
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: actually had an ex offense and an NFL coach, Rod Hemanek,

1407
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 4: who had retired out in Scottsdale. He used to coach

1408
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: for the New England Patriots. He happens just to be

1409
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 4: coaching all line at Chaparo when Taylor comes in, so

1410
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: never played O line. He comes in, he has an

1411
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 4: NFL coach. But I would say he came in the spring.

1412
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 4: By the time we got to October one, we knew

1413
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 4: he was going to be a major Division one guy.

1414
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 4: Because in the spring, we had a guy named Craig

1415
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 4: Row who had about twenty three Division one offers.

1416
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was already like under armor all America.

1417
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he essentually.

1418
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 6: Crazy reason why I transferred because I knew all these

1419
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 6: coaches were going to come in. I was, and my

1420
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 6: dad made me transfers, like the coaches are going to

1421
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 6: see you and think bank for him, we can do

1422
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 6: something with it.

1423
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: And he just came in and this guy had like

1424
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 4: twenty offers before. But when we got to October, this

1425
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 4: is no, I've never told you this. Me and Charlie Ragel,

1426
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 4: who's now at Arizona State, he said, this guy's going

1427
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: to play in the NFL.

1428
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: Nice. What's what's taylor scouting report?

1429
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, this guy's a first round pick, so

1430
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 4: there's a.

1431
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: Lot of say Taylor, Yeah, yeah, he's Taylor three years ago.

1432
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: Well let's do Taylor like if Taylor was a free

1433
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: agent and he was you were doing it.

1434
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: There's a scouting board on Taylor right now at thirty

1435
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: years old.

1436
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 4: Thirty one years old, he's five pounds.

1437
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking like you're you're a player. Taylor is

1438
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: the question.

1439
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 4: Taylor's overall scouting report. To be honest with you, it

1440
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 4: stayed pretty consistent since the time he's been in the league. Now,

1441
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 4: when he first got in, his technique wasn't very good,

1442
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 4: and so he improved a lot. For a technical standpoint,

1443
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 4: but Taylor exceptional athlete for his size. I mean, this

1444
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 4: guy is an ex I know, we don't want to

1445
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 4: blow up his head too vague.

1446
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 6: I need this, but it's.

1447
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 4: Play a rare, rare athlete for his size, and so

1448
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 4: like all like the ability to like the lateral agility,

1449
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 4: the speed to kick and get to the I'm using

1450
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 4: scouting terms now, but to get to the junction point.

1451
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: To junction point is where the tackle and the you know,

1452
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 4: the that that line of demarcation where he either can

1453
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 4: turn the corner and get to the quarterback or the

1454
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 4: tackle wins to that point. Like he had tremendous speed,

1455
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 4: you know in his kick. The ability to redirect laterally,

1456
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 4: like you know, guy comes, the guy presses your outside shoulder,

1457
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 4: he tries to beat you across his face. The ability,

1458
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 4: the ability to react and slide and stay in front,

1459
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 4: unique ability to play in the screen game pull, run, get,

1460
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 4: to the second level because of how athletic he was

1461
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 4: was unique. And I think the thing that Taylor did

1462
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 4: as a left tackle but not a lot of left

1463
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 4: tackles is the nastiness that he played with. Because you

1464
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: like back in the day when I came up, like

1465
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 4: the run blockers all played right tackle and then like

1466
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 4: the vanesse kind of softer guys played left tackle. But

1467
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 4: Taylor really, like as a run blocker, even though he

1468
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 4: wasn't the most powerful guy, like he was trying to

1469
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 4: like demolish people, and so he brought that, like that

1470
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: physical kind of right tackle mentality as a run blocker,

1471
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: he brought it to left tackle. And I think that's

1472
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 4: what a lot of people were attracted by. He has

1473
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 4: this like tenacity and this nastiness, but he's this athletic, pretty,

1474
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 4: you know, pretty guy in terms of his skill set,

1475
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 4: and so that was all unique and that was all

1476
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 4: what made him a first round draft pick. And he

1477
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 4: had all that in high school too. I mean, in practice,

1478
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: this guy was an asshole. He bes blocking you know,

1479
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: little Timmy over you know, forty yards the opposite way,

1480
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 4: and like burying guys on the track, and like even

1481
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 4: in games, I mean he would drive it. We would

1482
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 4: we would be ripping his butt on the sideline because

1483
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 4: it was like the fourth fifteen yard penalty because our

1484
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 4: running back broke it for seventy yards and he's driving

1485
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 4: the guy the other way thirty yards. Dwayne Garrett. Yeah, yeah,

1486
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: And so so it's all the positive, I'd say the

1487
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 4: negative had always probably been a little bit like if

1488
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 4: you were going to win, it was being able to

1489
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 4: get underneath his pads and drive him into the pocket

1490
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 4: with power, like to be able to sit and anchor,

1491
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 4: I would say was probably the more inconsistent part of

1492
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 4: his game, especially early on. I think he got stronger

1493
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: and and he could always bend and sink, But it

1494
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 4: was the strength that I think developed from like your

1495
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 4: beginning of your career to like that middle and end

1496
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 4: of your career you were able to improve, you know,

1497
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 4: with your anchor. And then I would say, from the

1498
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 4: counseling piece, going to get psychological.

1499
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: Where you kind of know him a little differently in yeah.

1500
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 4: Like he can get into his own head a little bit.

1501
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 4: And so I think like the like we talked about,

1502
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 4: like Chandler Jones, you're free, You're you, This is a

1503
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 4: free space to speak.

1504
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 6: I want to hear it.

1505
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 4: I want to hear this. Yeah, so I think like

1506
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 4: Taylor can do some negative self talk and kind of

1507
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 4: get him in a space where like he's not positive

1508
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 4: with himself, and so like things could snowball a little bit,

1509
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 4: and and one bad play could turn into two bad plays.

1510
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 4: And I think, like, I think you've always had a

1511
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 4: little bit.

1512
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: Of that.

1513
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 4: And and and so I think that was like, again,

1514
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 4: I don't know, I haven't been around him for a

1515
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 4: lot for a lot of years, but I think like

1516
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 4: that was one thing that he's anchor and then just

1517
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 4: not letting a bad, bad series or a bad play

1518
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 4: snowball because I know he's on the sideline telling himself

1519
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 4: like not good things about himself.

1520
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

1521
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 6: That's pretty smart on Yeah, an expert, You are an expert.

1522
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 6: I think the thing that the negative self talk thing

1523
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 6: is definitely something you all like. That's like a real

1524
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 6: bad negative because the whole name of the game, especially

1525
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 6: when you're player, is hey move on like short memory,

1526
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 6: short memory memory, and you would usually somebody else mess

1527
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 6: up you like man short memory, don't worry about it.

1528
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 6: But if I had a bad practice, I would would

1529
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 6: not sleep the next day that night because I'm thinking, fuck,

1530
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 6: I had a bad practice. But if this happens with

1531
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 6: that happens, that's pretty spot on.

1532
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1533
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 6: And injury, yep, that's also. I mean, you can't have

1534
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 6: two a cls in three years. No, it's a bad deal.

1535
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 4: That's a bad deal. Yeah, that's a bad deal. But

1536
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: like that same thing that drives you that that negative

1537
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: self talk is a double edged sword because it also

1538
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 4: is what drives you to be successful.

1539
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is, you know what I mean. It allows

1540
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 6: you to tell yourself whatever story you need to hear

1541
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,879
Speaker 6: to regain a chip on your shoulder.

1542
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 4: Correct. Yeah, so so yeah, that's my scotch.

1543
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is sick.

1544
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: I feel like everything I'm actually truly enjoying my Yeah,

1545
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: Like I feel like a lot of guys was sitting

1546
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: there at the cafeteria and like whether decisions get made

1547
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: or not, and you talk about free agents coming in,

1548
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: draft picks having blah blah blah blah blah. Like you know,

1549
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 2: I'm a guy every year who would sit and watch

1550
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: the draft differently than I've to express to you, what's

1551
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 2: for me watching the draft? You're like hoping you guys

1552
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: don't get a fucking linebacker that's going to be in

1553
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: the top three rounds or something like that, where it's

1554
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: like I sit in my head, I'm like, man, I

1555
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: wonder what my fucking report is up there, you know

1556
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: what I mean? And we're literally getting to hear it

1557
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: from a GM. We're getting to sit with the GM

1558
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 2: and kind of like learn, like, hey, what was on.

1559
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: The fucking cheets? What would get talked about?

1560
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 6: You know, it would be a cool segment to do,

1561
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 6: would get like when we have NFL players on, like,

1562
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 6: have Zig and his personnel send us the scattering port

1563
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,799
Speaker 6: of that guy and have him read his own scattering

1564
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 6: port because I I saw a scattering port of my

1565
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 6: own from like an Eagles GM like a while back

1566
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 6: that CA sent me and it was like basically what

1567
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 6: you said from a pros and constandpoint, but there was

1568
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 6: one categories like personality and it was like quirky Unique

1569
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 6: has a two uh has a two seater bike that

1570
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 6: drives by himself. Like it was a bunch of random

1571
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 6: like funny shit.

1572
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 4: The mustache tattoo.

1573
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, the mustache tattoo, the right hand man, like a

1574
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,519
Speaker 6: whole bunch of stuff like I just thought, like, man,

1575
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 6: this would be so fucking funny if we got to

1576
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 6: sit with like Max Crosby.

1577
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 4: But here's your scattering report. Yeah, like he's white guy

1578
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 4: with blake Ey tattoos. Uh, you got to fade bro

1579
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 4: he does.

1580
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 6: That's not a racist thing, like white dudes, Celtic crossing

1581
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 6: the shoulder, tribal all that is a standard textbook white

1582
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 6: guy tattoo, initials in the back of the arm, black

1583
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 6: guy tattoo very much.

1584
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, there's nothing. That's just what you watch.

1585
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 6: Yes, prayer hands lying on the chest like those are

1586
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 6: all like what you see in the lower room.

1587
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 4: You just play that, you know what I'm saying.

1588
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 6: I think it'd be hilarious to see dude, dude scattering.

1589
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 4: Were we in Denvery and New England where we would

1590
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 4: hire guys that played in the league like we would

1591
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 4: or had been like prospects in the league before we

1592
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 4: hired him, their their scouting reports. We'd just take them

1593
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 4: off because some of them were rejects, like not good

1594
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 4: enough to play in the league. Too slow you want

1595
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 4: to be to you know, you don't want to have

1596
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 4: a guy coming in every day in his morale he's

1597
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 4: going on and looking at his scouting report every day.

1598
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: Yeah bad, you thought, Yeah.

1599
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were you a Darren Moodie at all in Denver?

1600
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 4: I was, and and and I got this is funny

1601
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 4: about Darren. So Darren's the assistant GM in Denver.

1602
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 6: Now Darren also a chapero gun. He played wide receiver.

1603
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 4: He was a chapero ground. He was on our coaching

1604
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 4: staff at chapperal Brother. Oh okay, think of but probably

1605
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 4: a little more handsome little dime in piece. It was

1606
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 4: Rob's guide, his counselor too. Yeah, I can little bit.

1607
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,879
Speaker 1: So Darren.

1608
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 4: I actually got Darren his recommended Darren for his first

1609
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 4: interview in Denver. So he came there when we got there.

1610
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 4: The year before, Darren was in the league, still playing

1611
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 4: for the Cardinals, and I had my pre season report

1612
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 4: and I rejected him. Oh really yeah, not good enough

1613
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 4: to play in the league. Tell him that, ever, I

1614
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 4: think he knew. Yeah, he eventually found that out. I

1615
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 4: tried to keep it on the download, you know, for

1616
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 4: a little while. Yeah, for a second or so, not

1617
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 4: personally it is so yeah, So he's he's an example

1618
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 4: of a guy that was I rejected him for the

1619
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: league in terms of player, but recommended him for a

1620
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 4: job in scouting, so I knew there was some talent there.

1621
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: Can you talk about balancing the business and personal like

1622
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: because you're you know, you're in a business where it's

1623
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: performance based, literally every day you're graded, you're all of

1624
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1625
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: You have to do business as businesses, but.

1626
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: Also you're in a business where you have to you

1627
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: were speaking to having the personal relationships building those talk

1628
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 2: about balancing those two as a GM.

1629
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's hard because the personal in the business,

1630
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 4: it's it's really it is intertwined, you know, because I

1631
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: can tell someone hey, like we were talking about, I

1632
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 4: can tell someone when we're going to release them, Hey,

1633
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean this is this is business because for me

1634
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 4: it is, but it's personal for them because I just

1635
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 4: told them one that they're fired too. They got to

1636
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 4: go home and tell their family that they've been let go.

1637
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 4: They got to think about where they're going to move,

1638
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 4: what are they going to do with their kids? Their

1639
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 4: kids are in school? Are we pulling them out now?

1640
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 4: And because it so it becomes very personal, and so

1641
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 4: it is difficult. It is difficult, and I do like

1642
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 4: feel there's you know, when you're part of a team,

1643
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 4: and I do feel like I do want to create

1644
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 4: personal relationships with the players because we're all on the

1645
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 4: same team. You know, we're asking a lot of them too,

1646
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 4: and I think it's important for them to feel like

1647
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 4: that because I am. I'm invested in their success. I

1648
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 4: want to see them succeed, and so I want to

1649
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 4: create a personal relationship because of that. And and so.

1650
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 4: But you know, the scouting side of things, like you

1651
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 4: said about like looking at the draft, like I'm trying

1652
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 4: to find the next whoever else, Right, Ultimately, I'm trying

1653
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 4: to find guys that are gonna, you know, replace will come. Right.

1654
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 2: It's not like you're wanting to replace me because you

1655
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: dislike me. You're you're trying to that's the name. You're

1656
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 2: trying to get better, trying to get.

1657
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 4: Better, you know what I mean. And so there's that,

1658
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 4: So there there's a direct conflict there, right, And so

1659
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: what I try to do is just be really upfront

1660
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 4: and honest with players whenever I deal with them, Give

1661
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 4: them positive feedback, give them critical feedback, if that's what

1662
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 4: you know. If they're telling me, hey, what do you think,

1663
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell them what I think. On the

1664
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 4: positive side in the business side, and I think so

1665
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 4: because I'm going to give you positive feedback and critical feedback.

1666
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 4: I don't ever try to sugarcoat it where it's all positive,

1667
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 4: all positive, all positive. Then you're sitting down, I'm releasing you, right,

1668
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so I just try

1669
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: to keep it as honest and upfront and again invest

1670
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 4: in the personal side, be positive, treat you like I

1671
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 4: would treat anybody else. But also there's like that side

1672
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 4: of it where it is like again like there's that

1673
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 4: critical piece. Hey, you need to get better at A

1674
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 4: B and C. We need to see you get better

1675
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 4: at A B and C. If you can't get better

1676
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 4: at A B and C, I'm looking for somebody else.

1677
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 4: And I just think, like I try to just be

1678
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 4: upfront about that's the deal. That's what I'm trying to do,

1679
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 4: do you know what I mean? And that's the best

1680
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: I can do, you know, to try to keep it

1681
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 4: upfront and honest and keep the relationship, I guess as

1682
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 4: pure as it can be. Understanding that, like I'm trying

1683
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 4: to my job is to find someone that's ultimately better

1684
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: than you, and your job is to prove to me

1685
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 4: that you're better than everybody else. Like Edelman when we

1686
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 4: were in New England, Julian would always find me like

1687
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 4: sometime in March, you know, before the draft, and just

1688
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 4: let me know, like, hey, just so you know, you're like,

1689
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 4: you're not finding in anybody that's going to be fucking

1690
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 4: better than me. And he come up and look me

1691
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 4: in the face and say that, just so you know

1692
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 4: you're not finding anybody better there, and how your relationship

1693
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 4: is obviously good with him, great with him, and it's

1694
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 4: still great with him. He's probably one of the people

1695
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 4: that I'm closest with that is that's been a player

1696
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 4: in the league that's not a player in the league anymore.

1697
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 4: But like he had that attitude. He understood what my

1698
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 4: job was. But he's like, you're I'm not I'm gonna

1699
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: make it very difficult on you, and I'm gonna do

1700
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 4: everything in my power so you don't find somebody that's

1701
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 4: better than me. But that's that's the job, you know,

1702
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 4: that's the business, and it's you know, it's brutal in

1703
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 4: that way.

1704
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,919
Speaker 1: Would have been a couple of your harder situations.

1705
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: Whereas whereas whether it's been cutting a player, trading a player,

1706
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 2: you know where it's like, you know, if you were

1707
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 2: going to trade me, are you are not going to

1708
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: trade me but looking to trade me?

1709
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: Are you?

1710
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 2: You're probably not seeking to tell me like, hey, we're

1711
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: looking to trade you.

1712
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: But how how have you navigated?

1713
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 2: Would have been a couple of your harder situations without

1714
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: like naming players unless you did want to name them.

1715
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 4: Well, I'll name one just because it was like a

1716
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 4: frost The first player that the first player that I

1717
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 4: was ever asked to release in Denver was Stokely wide Receiver.

1718
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah?

1719
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 4: And he was he was like he'd always been kind

1720
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 4: of a fixture he was with the Colts and then

1721
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 4: he was Denver and like he was kind of he

1722
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 4: was the man, you know what I mean, Like he

1723
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 4: was a fixture with the Broncos and and you know,

1724
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 4: really well liked and things like that. And when he

1725
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 4: came to Denver, he was towards the end of his career.

1726
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 4: But I knew I knew him as a fan, you

1727
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like again, I didn't get in

1728
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 4: the NFL. My first year in the NFL as a

1729
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 4: sky assistant was like I was thirty two. I was

1730
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 4: like Billy Madison. I was like everybody else was like

1731
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 4: twenty four.

1732
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: And twenty three years old.

1733
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 4: I'm the old guy, you know, as a scouting assistant.

1734
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 4: But having to do that is someone that I had

1735
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 4: watched as a fan and saw his career and he's like,

1736
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 4: you know, scrappy slot receiver that you know, made like

1737
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 4: made a career in the NFL. And to have to

1738
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 4: go do that, that was really hard because I was

1739
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 4: this It was the first time I had to do it,

1740
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 4: and it was a guy that I had admired and

1741
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 4: looked up to his career and it was like, you know,

1742
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 4: you just you it, you felt it, you know what

1743
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 4: I mean. And so that was that was a difficult

1744
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 4: one to do. And you know, the stuff with the

1745
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 4: trade stuff is always always difficult because you get to

1746
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 4: the trade deadline, there's all these there's guys on the

1747
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 4: team and their names out on the trade block and

1748
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 4: things like that, and I've had players come to me

1749
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 4: and you know, ask me, hey, what's the deal?

1750
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I can I've been seeing unfortunately not from

1751
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 2: anybody in the building, but on probably social media. I

1752
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 2: could be on the trade block or my agent.

1753
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so those are awkward situations, and and like

1754
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 4: you said, there's there's a balance there too, you because

1755
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 4: like how is someone going to respond if you say, yeah,

1756
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try Yeah, I'm trying to trade you. Yeah,

1757
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 4: you know, you can go one of two ways. You

1758
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 4: can go one of two ways, and there's dramatic different ways. Yeah. Well,

1759
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 4: and what if you don't get it done? Yeah, yeah,

1760
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And so those are those

1761
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: ones are tough to navigate because you you I don't

1762
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 4: ever want to lie to somebody and be dishonest, you know,

1763
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 4: And and at the same time, you don't want to

1764
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to say something that's gonna

1765
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 4: you know, bring some like negative wedge in between you

1766
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 4: and the player too. So those are always ones that

1767
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 4: are hard to navigate. And and you know, I just

1768
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 4: again I don't won't be specific, but in certain instances

1769
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 4: I've said, like you know, like hey, like if if

1770
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 4: someone you know, this is this is a business, and

1771
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 4: if someone comes and offers something that I think is

1772
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 4: going to help the football team, you know, I have

1773
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 4: to make a decision, you know what I mean. And

1774
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 4: and like that's like the easiest way I can say it,

1775
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: because there really is no easy way around that conversation. Like,

1776
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys are players, Like, yeah, there's no

1777
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 4: way on that conversation. I mean, did you ever think

1778
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 4: someone was gonna traude you?

1779
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1780
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I've never felt that either.

1781
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: Because I just feel like when you're in it, unless

1782
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: you're just not playing well, I guess, and maybe you're

1783
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: thinking about that, I just feel like you're you're just

1784
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: in it.

1785
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: You're in the season. You're like in season mode.

1786
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: You're not necessarily now if you're playing well and you

1787
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: end up getting traded, I just feel like that'd be

1788
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 2: a massive shock that you just wouldn't see coming, right.

1789
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 6: I feel like offensive linement don't aren't big trade items either,

1790
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 6: are they not?

1791
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 4: Typically? No? I think the lot of you usually see

1792
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: skill players.

1793
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like like Christian McCaffrey, Like, who knows if

1794
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: that was old that he was getting traded, you know

1795
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 2: what I mean. I just I have no clue, and

1796
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: it'd be I'm sure it'll come on one day, right,

1797
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: But I have a question, Yeah, go ahead, How how

1798
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: consider how seriously considered was coach Pisacia in the head

1799
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: coaching job when you came in as the GM.

1800
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot he was.

1801
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: He was a as you know, big time player favorite.

1802
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: He was a big time player favorite. I would put

1803
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: my reputation on the line form type of guy. And

1804
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,599
Speaker 2: uh so yeah, what how how considered was he for

1805
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: the head coaching job?

1806
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 4: First?

1807
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 2: Just like, okay, they fired may they who knows what

1808
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 2: they're gonna do with the head coach passat still in it.

1809
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 2: Dave Zigler comes in his guys, are people kind of

1810
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 2: know and connect the dots early?

1811
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: But how much of a shot did he actually get?

1812
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. I to be honest with you,

1813
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 4: I wasn't. In like the way that they did this

1814
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: specific hiring here with the Raiders was a little bit differently.

1815
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 4: They were interviewing head coaches and gms kind of at

1816
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 4: the same same time, and so they didn't hire me

1817
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: before they were interviewing head coaches while they were interviewing gms. So,

1818
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 4: for example, some places, the GM gets hired and then

1819
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 4: he's conducting all the head coaching interviews. This situation was

1820
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 4: a little bit different. I got hired me and Josh

1821
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 4: got hired at the same time, and so it just

1822
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 4: just happens to be your boy. Yeah, and and so

1823
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 4: not hiring you do fine, like in this specific situation,

1824
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 4: that's not what they're whatever their blueprint is and whatever,

1825
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 4: you know, and everybody everywhere is different. Someplaces the head

1826
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 4: coach is hired first and then the GM's hired second.

1827
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 4: Some places the GM's hired first and then the head

1828
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 4: coaches second. And this one was kind of Simon got

1829
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 4: So can't speak to it other than I know, like

1830
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 4: his reputation, you know, is just being a great guy

1831
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 4: is you know, precedes itself.

1832
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1833
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, everyone I've spoken to, I mean you you sing

1834
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 6: his praises all the time. But even people that weren't

1835
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 6: on the raiders, they love them.

1836
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love him. Here's the papers.

1837
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, special chance.

1838
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 2: Coach of the Packers this year, ye coordinator because I

1839
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 2: had called asking about it.

1840
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: Brother, that's a real deal. Yeah, yeah, he's a real deal.

1841
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: If he if you have the opportunity to get him,

1842
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: if he's because that was when he was getting everything

1843
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: was getting considered at that time.

1844
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a he's he's all time.

1845
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 4: I have a personal question for Yeah.

1846
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 6: My senior year of high school, YEP, I had a

1847
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 6: thirty five percent in my Spanish class YEP, and you

1848
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 6: I told you I was not going to go take

1849
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 6: the final. I'm gonna have to go over construction and

1850
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 6: you were like, just go take the test. And I

1851
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 6: took the test and I put see for every single

1852
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 6: answer and I got a seventy five in the class.

1853
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 4: How did that happen?

1854
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: These are old jobs, remember, and this is.

1855
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't I don't remember how it

1856
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 4: all went down. I do remember, I'll digress a little bit.

1857
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 4: I do remember when you came into Chaparral and first

1858
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 4: seeing that transcript that was put across my desk one

1859
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 4: point six GPA, and it was just brutal. You want

1860
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 4: to talk about, just beat up like I wondered if

1861
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 4: he actually went to school for the first two years

1862
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 4: because there was just its littered with.

1863
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 2: FT Dude, it was basically Taylor one your assignment as

1864
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 2: he Oh yes.

1865
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 4: Oh really, Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

1866
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 6: I actually I want to I don't want to turn

1867
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 6: this into like a podcast about me, but I do

1868
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 6: want to learn more about my childhood with you.

1869
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 4: I don't want to know all that stuff. Well, one,

1870
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 4: I was kind of designated as the counselor. I'd come

1871
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 4: from a background of football, so I was kind of

1872
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 4: like the athletic counselor in terms of helping everybody navigate

1873
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 4: the NCAA clearing house, getting eligible, all those different types

1874
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 4: of things. So his GPA was atrocious when he came,

1875
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 4: and we started to know in the spring, when these

1876
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 4: coaches started coming around, like all right, this dude's going

1877
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 4: to be a major D one prospect. I mean, I

1878
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 4: think by the end of the spring you probably had

1879
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 4: like fifteen offers before like the fall relieve and started off.

1880
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 6: I had three offers Utah State, Minnesota, and ASU Okay,

1881
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 6: so into the sea and then I put on those

1882
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 6: first two game films out Okay, and then it.

1883
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 4: Was quick like it was Miami. It was everybody, yeah,

1884
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 4: you know, very quickly. It was awesome. And so so

1885
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 4: I knew at that point, by looking at the the

1886
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 4: the the atrociousness of the transcript, that we had a

1887
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 4: lot of work to do. You you, I don't know

1888
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 4: how much you remember how much you blocked out, but

1889
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 4: you had to. There was a lot of work you

1890
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 4: had to do personally, Yeah, that you hadn't done before. Yeah.

1891
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 4: I remember I remember some some stressful times in my

1892
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 4: office where this guy was in full meltdown mode as

1893
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 4: a seventeen eighteen year old kid, Like you know, there

1894
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 4: was a lot of hurdles that he was going to

1895
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 4: have to overcome and a lot of work that he

1896
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 4: had to do. At one point, I actually had a

1897
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 4: we had a tutor. I had to hired a tutor

1898
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 4: to help them. I was actually paying the tutor twenty

1899
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 4: dollars a week to help you. Oh really yeah, out

1900
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 4: of my own pocket, to get you, to get you going,

1901
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 4: and not to do the work.

1902
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: How much does he owe you?

1903
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 4: Geez? I mean, I'd have to look at all the

1904
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 4: I'd have to look at the last contract.

1905
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: And year over year growth for his careers.

1906
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 4: It's gotta be like we're talking six figures. Yeah, we're

1907
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 4: talking six figures.

1908
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 6: Who Yeah, who was the economics teacher? Doctor a mister nobody?

1909
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 4: Because I got him on.

1910
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 6: That triggered something because who is doctor doctor misress? Okay,

1911
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 6: he was the economics teacher and he would go he

1912
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 6: was a unique teacher, Like he would go and uh

1913
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 6: like meander in the hallways like ten minutes after class started,

1914
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 6: like the whole class of coin of sitting hanging out

1915
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 6: and waiting for him and the final it was economics class.

1916
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 6: The final he left on his desk and I took

1917
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 6: a picture of it. I sent it to everybody in

1918
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 6: the class. So everybody in the class got one hundred

1919
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 6: percent in the class except for Derek Zubaga because the

1920
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 6: last question was who's better Kobe or Lebron and he

1921
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 6: answers Lebron and he he was a major Kobe fan.

1922
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 6: So Derek, I got a got a ninety eight percent

1923
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 6: and on the test or whatever. And I'm on the

1924
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 6: bus going to graduation and Servantes is like, the seat

1925
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 6: in front of me goes, hey, I know what you did.

1926
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 4: I was like, what are you?

1927
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 6: What are you talking about? He's like, I know, there's

1928
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 6: a reason why everyone got me in the class. Like

1929
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 6: just go and cut me a check when you make

1930
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 6: it to the NFL.

1931
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 4: I was like, you got above there you go.

1932
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 6: I need to.

1933
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 4: I need to.

1934
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I have a feeling there's a lot

1935
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,240
Speaker 2: of people that came from that class or there was

1936
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: a lot of helpers, a lot of helpers that people

1937
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: people that see your success now are like, man, had

1938
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: I not done this or x Y?

1939
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 4: No, but you know what, but the thing that he

1940
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,959
Speaker 4: did that is is true, and this is a compliment,

1941
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 4: but he was. He always treated people really well, whether teachers, coaches, students,

1942
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 4: so on and so forth. Like this guy didn't have

1943
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 4: any like not that I know of, like any enemies

1944
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 4: or anything like that, and so people were looking to

1945
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 4: help him out, do you know what I mean, or

1946
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 4: like give him an extra boost, and he did a lot.

1947
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 4: He had to do a lot of work on his own.

1948
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 4: He did. He had to do a lot of work

1949
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 4: because then he took the act, which wasn't atrocious, not bald. Yeah,

1950
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 4: and it was actually surprising whatever you got. I mean,

1951
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 4: I was like I looked at it had looked like

1952
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 4: three and he ended up clearing for the n C

1953
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 4: clearinghouse and he got to Michigan. Dude, that was the tools.

1954
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 6: I literally tell that story about that, but like the

1955
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 6: Spanish thing all of the time, because literally you had

1956
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 6: me my senior year, like most kids in their senior year,

1957
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 6: like do have half schedules and they're getting out of

1958
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 6: like you.

1959
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 4: You had like you had he actually had like nine classes. Yeah,

1960
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 4: I had a full class. There's only seven periods of

1961
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 4: the day.

1962
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,600
Speaker 6: Had to do online school as well. I had to

1963
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 6: do another full year of online school in a semester.

1964
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 4: So I would like, do you.

1965
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 2: Remember when we were staying at the Arnold, how they

1966
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 2: were talking to me about all the oh, yeah you

1967
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 2: would have to do.

1968
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like it was, dude, it was.

1969
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 6: That was a wild time.

1970
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1971
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 4: A lot of adversity in those times, a lot of adversity.

1972
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 4: Here we are here, we are due.

1973
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 6: That's so I think it is the coolest thing ever.

1974
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 6: So would you do with that Spanish teacher?

1975
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact details of it, other than

1976
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 4: you know, talked about your hard work, your perseverance, your future,

1977
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 4: and you got. You was a fucking man, dude, you got.

1978
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 4: I actually owe you my career.

1979
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have gotten to the NFL if it wasn't

1980
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 6: for you.

1981
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 4: Would have started out at a juco and who knows

1982
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: what would have happened from there. Yeah, we can't forget that.

1983
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I did get off the rails a little

1984
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 6: bit in college, and so.

1985
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: We've had some fun conversations. Yeah, one of his old

1986
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 2: college teammates that's in talent, I did.

1987
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 6: You know I got I went to Michigan, Michigan, I

1988
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 6: went I went college mode for a little bit. And

1989
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 6: I think if I would have gone to JUCO, I

1990
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 6: probably wouldn't have seen the light at the end of

1991
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 6: the tunnel, like the minute I got There's so much.

1992
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 2: Less structure too in the football department at a JUCO. Yeah,

1993
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 2: the people are like necessarily trying to correct. Yeah, either

1994
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: sink or swim at JUCO.

1995
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1996
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, when you're evaluating players, like how much Obviously to

1997
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 6: an extent it's a big deal, but how much do

1998
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 6: character issues play a role?

1999
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 4: They play a role? I think like it it depends

2000
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 4: on how big the character issues are and what the

2001
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 4: pattern of character character issues are, and how talented they are,

2002
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 4: and how talented they are. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. It's

2003
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 4: a sliding scale, you know. I think that when you

2004
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 4: look at the personal traits and their personal traits that

2005
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 4: would affect your ability to be good, like laziness, not accountable, immature,

2006
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 4: doesn't like to work, doesn't like to practice hard, you know,

2007
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 4: like those types of things like those to me are

2008
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:49,840
Speaker 4: major red flags the guys that maybe have some immaturity

2009
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 4: stuff whatever it may be. But like you look at

2010
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 4: the football traits, they love to compete, they love to

2011
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 4: go against the best players in practice. They you know

2012
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,679
Speaker 4: they they they love you know, on Saturdays, they're always

2013
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 4: you know, dialed in showing up like that. Like the

2014
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 4: football traits, and I think like, if you have really

2015
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 4: good football traits and some of your personal traits you

2016
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 4: need to work on. I think that's a little bit

2017
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 4: more manageable. Those are still calculated risks too, but I

2018
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 4: think they're there are a higher there's a higher degree

2019
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 4: of being profitable on someone that had loves to compete,

2020
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 4: has some dog into them, like you know, those types

2021
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:28,720
Speaker 4: of people, but they're immature, and I think you have

2022
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 4: to look at like how is that? What was that

2023
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 4: person's environment, how were they raised, where were they raised,

2024
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 4: who were their role models? You have to take those

2025
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 4: things to account because you can't just penalize someone that

2026
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,120
Speaker 4: never had any structure for them to be successful, do

2027
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Or or or build those

2028
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 4: other characteristics the guys that I think you worry about

2029
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 4: more of the guys that like have all the talent,

2030
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 4: but those football traits are low. Like that's where you

2031
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 4: get burned. And so I think it's it's it's one

2032
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 4: of it's I can't I can't actually understate how important

2033
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 4: it is you're making million dollar investments, you know in

2034
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 4: these young in their young kids at the time, and

2035
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 4: so like if you're going to take a chance on

2036
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 4: someone that has like traits that are questionable, unlike, you know,

2037
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 4: you got to pay the you gotta pay the piper

2038
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 4: if they don't work out. But that's why I think

2039
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 4: the football traits are really important. And then you gotta

2040
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, you gotta kind of do the risk reward

2041
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 4: On the other side of things.

2042
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 2: When it comes to like your philosophy, are there like

2043
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: core questions or fundamental questions you ask yourself when making

2044
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 2: these when making decisions on a player. I know can

2045
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: very situation a situation, but you're kind of going through there,

2046
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 2: and it kind of just sparked, like do you have

2047
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 2: like core foundational questions when making a decision, whether it's

2048
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 2: big or small.

2049
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 4: Are you talking about like when I'm actually like interviewing

2050
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 4: a player.

2051
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 2: I guess like making a transaction with the player, something

2052
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,560
Speaker 2: that you use that it's just like a core foundation

2053
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 2: of what your philosophy is. Yeah, things that you like

2054
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 2: just default too, Like all right, let me get this

2055
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 2: is getting There's a lot of conversation going on, like

2056
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 2: what like let me get back to what I want.

2057
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: To just sit and ask myself about this guy.

2058
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I probably won't get like super specific to that question.

2059
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 4: But like one thing for me that I look at

2060
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 4: is I like to see I'm intrigued or I find

2061
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 4: value in people that have had to go through a

2062
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 4: lot of transitions in life. So whether it's and again

2063
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be major stuff, whether it could

2064
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 4: be I went to you know, three or four different

2065
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 4: high schools, or you know, in college, I played with

2066
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 4: three different coordinators and had four different position coaches, or

2067
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 4: maybe major stuff, do you know what I mean? Like

2068
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 4: I was homeless, I you know, had to overcome these

2069
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 4: personal situations in my life just to get here. Like,

2070
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:46,920
Speaker 4: I just like to see people in some form or fashion,

2071
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 4: whether it's like the extreme end of the scale, or

2072
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 4: whether it's something like just football related, that have had

2073
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 4: to go through transitions and have had to deal with

2074
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 4: like little, whether it's little or major, like aspects of adversity.

2075
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 4: Because I think when you get to the league and

2076
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 4: you guys know, like the amount of life transitions and

2077
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 4: just you go through from being a college player to

2078
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 4: an NFL player, is there there's hundreds do you know?

2079
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 4: What I mean of things that you go through and

2080
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 4: I think it's all new too, and it's all new,

2081
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 4: and if you've never went through anything and it's been

2082
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 4: all smooth sailing for you and you get into the league,

2083
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 4: those scare me more. And it's not that I wouldn't

2084
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 4: select a player that's never had anything like that, right,

2085
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 4: but like I want to know, like what of you?

2086
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 4: What are what are these different situations that you've had

2087
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:33,720
Speaker 4: to deal with? Do you know what I mean? What

2088
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 4: life transitions? Have you went through? Have you experienced life?

2089
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? And so like those

2090
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 4: are That's something that's important to me.

2091
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,639
Speaker 6: I love that when you're like going off that, when

2092
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 6: you're at the combine, what to you is more important

2093
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 6: those interviews or the actual tests, like the physical tests,

2094
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:53,640
Speaker 6: because the physical tests I've heard somebody are like, this

2095
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 6: is just checking Boston question, Thank you sir. I appreciate that,

2096
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 6: like checkboxes. But then you get those fifteen twenty minutes

2097
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 6: it was the train station or in those officials yep,

2098
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 6: to kind of like really digest who the person really

2099
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 6: is yep.

2100
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 4: And I would say, like the physical stuff, like the

2101
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 4: testing and all that stuff, and you know the times

2102
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 4: and whatnot. Like that is important because it's a piece

2103
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 4: of the puzzle that like, it's one of the pieces

2104
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 4: of the puzzle that you're putting together when you kind

2105
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 4: of get to the end. But the real value is

2106
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:26,559
Speaker 4: those interviews. The real value is being able to and

2107
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 4: again it's not a lot of time, but it's being

2108
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: able to sit down for fifteen minutes or twenty minutes

2109
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 4: and be in a room and one see how they're

2110
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 4: going to react to being in the room. You learn

2111
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 4: a lot in fifteen minutes. At the same time, you

2112
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 4: learn about how you know someone carries themselves, how they

2113
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 4: how serious they take the situation, how they communicate their

2114
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 4: body language, and when for specifically for me, like if

2115
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 4: you're coming into into the room, I already know I

2116
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: already know a lot about you, I should say, I

2117
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 4: already know what a lot of people have said about you.

2118
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2119
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 4: Right, I've went to Michigan, I've talked to all the

2120
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 4: people at Michigan. I kind of have a profile on

2121
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 4: who Taylor Luwan is before you even walk in the room.

2122
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 4: So there's certain things that I'm gonna want to get

2123
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 4: to know about you. To compare and contrast what people

2124
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 4: say good or bad, and it's not all bad. It

2125
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 4: could be you come in with not a flaw in

2126
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 4: the world. No one will say anything bad about you, Right, Okay, Well,

2127
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 4: let me kind of delve into that and see kind

2128
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,200
Speaker 4: of you know what you're about and is that a

2129
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 4: true statement? And so, yeah, you can learn a lot

2130
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 4: in fifteen minutes, and then it piles on because then

2131
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 4: I'm going to learn about you more after the combine,

2132
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 4: whether it's on an official thirty visit, whether it's your

2133
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,800
Speaker 4: pro day, so on and so forth. So yeah, I

2134
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 4: mean it's it's probably one of the most important things

2135
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 4: because again I think, like going back a little bit,

2136
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 4: you talked about it, but like you hear the coaches

2137
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 4: say this every week in press conferences in players, because

2138
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 4: it's true, it's hard to win it one game in

2139
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 4: the NFL, It's hard to win. Everybody's so talented, and

2140
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 4: so I think it's important when you're in terms of

2141
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 4: team building, the more guys that you have on your team,

2142
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 4: that you have to use resources to player development. Man,

2143
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,759
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying like all these things are important,

2144
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 4: but if I have to expel resources on making sure

2145
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 4: you're in the building on time, making sure you're handling

2146
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 4: things off the field that don't bleed into your performance

2147
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 4: on the field, whether it's having to spend time again

2148
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 4: an exorbitant amount of time teaching you the system, teaching

2149
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 4: you in your role, all those resources that you have

2150
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 4: to put out to other places. And it's fine, you're

2151
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 4: going to do it to a degree, but the more

2152
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,799
Speaker 4: you have to put out, the less you're focusing on winning.

2153
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 4: And so I think, like, if you're bringing in a

2154
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:54,840
Speaker 4: ton of players that are going to require all these

2155
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 4: different resources, you're taking away the main focus, which is

2156
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 4: being which is winning football game. And it's hard to

2157
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 4: win if you're putting all these resources towards all these

2158
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 4: other things that are don't have to do necessarily, like

2159
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 4: playing linebacker or playing tackle. And so that's why I

2160
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 4: think you have to be really intentional about how you

2161
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 4: build your team and who you bring in because of

2162
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 4: how hard it is just to win.

2163
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 2: What's the most unique conversation you've had with the prospect

2164
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 2: that like the combine that's another solid question, or also like,

2165
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 2: as you're thinking about that, maybe a unique question that

2166
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: you might have for a player.

2167
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 6: They talk about a unique question like off the wall,

2168
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like the Bengals asked me

2169
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 6: how many things are gonna do with the paper clip

2170
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:45,920
Speaker 6: in one minute and then videotape me.

2171
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't really go down that path. Okay, that's

2172
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 4: that's what you're kind of talking.

2173
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 2: I saw him thinking, So I would definitely have to

2174
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 2: know if he's had like what's a memory has Like

2175
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 2: with the conversation with the player that was just whether bizarre, unique, whatever.

2176
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 4: Well, two things. One, I don't really, to be honest

2177
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 4: with you, I don't really have like any of those

2178
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:10,479
Speaker 4: off the wall questions that I personally do, Like, you know,

2179
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 4: you're a cat, would you rather be a cat or

2180
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 4: a dog? You know? Like I don't really you.

2181
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 2: Should be like, this is Jesus for free porn hubb

2182
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 2: red tube.

2183
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 4: Well if we if we could delve into if we

2184
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 4: can delve into that, maybe I take that back cut

2185
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 4: the tape. Yeah, Well there's a couple of things. One

2186
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 4: I don't have anything like specific like that. This is

2187
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 4: the NFL has a very specific guideline question there's guidelines

2188
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 4: on what you can and can't ask from an appropriate standpoint.

2189
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,439
Speaker 6: So yeah, because they should be able to ask like

2190
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 6: your sexual orientation, right or do they?

2191
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:58,120
Speaker 4: I don't.

2192
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 6: There was back in the day, back in the day,

2193
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,799
Speaker 6: a wild West.

2194
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 4: A lot more respectable in your questions and stuff like that.

2195
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 4: So I don't have anything that that I specifically ask

2196
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 4: that is off the wall. I have do have some

2197
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 4: things that I specifically asked that I won't share here

2198
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 4: because they're specific to specific to me. Now, I've had

2199
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 4: just some college prospects. Like let's say a guy was

2200
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 4: had an arrest for something, whatever it may be, he

2201
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 4: was arrested, you know, let's just hypothetically say he was

2202
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 4: arrested and there was Michigan or something drugs in the car.

2203
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 4: Just some guys just go off and just like tell

2204
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 4: me the story and like complete detail, like way more

2205
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 4: than I wanted to know, like and just like blow

2206
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 4: a bunch of people's spots up, you know what I mean,

2207
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 4: not only themselves, but like two other teammates too, like

2208
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 4: just with no filter, Like you know, maybe they didn't

2209
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 4: realize that they were on a job, like this was

2210
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,479
Speaker 4: a job interview type of thing. It was like we

2211
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 4: were just sitting at the bar, and it was like

2212
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 4: they gave me like the whole scoop and then you

2213
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 4: just they walk away like that's walk more. Yeah. Yeah,

2214
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,560
Speaker 4: like that was can't draft him, he's a snitch. Was

2215
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,639
Speaker 4: a crazy night, yeah, you know, and so a couple

2216
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 4: of those going to coaching for a little bit.

2217
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely wanted to basically up until you know,

2218
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: we were podcasting and then every coach is like, do

2219
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:33,480
Speaker 2: not do this, brother, Like you get to do that? Yeah.

2220
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 6: Imagine if you were a coaching instead of being a GM,

2221
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 6: you were the head coach, which is both fantastic jobs,

2222
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 6: but I feel like the time spent I have no

2223
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 6: idea what upstairs is like, but the time spent for coaches,

2224
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 6: like you got your family.

2225
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were kind of saying, you get a little

2226
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 2: bit more control in your day, like as long as

2227
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 2: you're you're prioritizing and.

2228
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what he was doing.

2229
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,640
Speaker 6: You were a little farther down the totem pole, like

2230
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 6: now you're the GM, I'm sure there's more.

2231
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I could spend all day and all

2232
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 4: night there, you know what I mean, Like if you

2233
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 4: really wanted to, there's that much stuff that's done. I've always,

2234
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of like the balance, I've always

2235
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 4: tried to live close to the facility, and so you know,

2236
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 4: I have three kids, and at one time they were

2237
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 4: all young enough where all three of them were in diapers,

2238
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 4: which was just another you know, that was hellish, hellish years. Yeah,

2239
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 4: me and my wife made it through. So now we

2240
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:26,559
Speaker 4: know we're good.

2241
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: We made it through years time.

2242
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:30,639
Speaker 4: We're battle testing.

2243
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly, you've been to the fire when you

2244
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:35,679
Speaker 6: were checking off the adversity like what people have gone through,

2245
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 6: like you've done it.

2246
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 4: You're save get Yeah. But like speaking that coaching, because

2247
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 4: there's always you know, meetings and all that stuff. That's

2248
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 4: just I actually take off, Like I'll take off around

2249
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 4: six o'clock at night and come home, eat dinner with

2250
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 4: my kids, give showers, give my wife a little break,

2251
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 4: and then I go back to the office, and then

2252
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,200
Speaker 4: I'll work till whenever I work, whether it's ten thirty

2253
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 4: or eleven o'clock at night. And so I do. That's

2254
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 4: how I try to create some balance just with work

2255
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 4: and you know and and personal and things like that

2256
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,959
Speaker 4: to give my kids, like some sweet sense of normalcy,

2257
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 4: even though when every time I come home to every

2258
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 4: like it's dad, are you going back to work? Like

2259
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 4: I come home on like a Saturday, you know, and

2260
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 4: it's dad, You're going back to work, you know. So

2261
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 4: that's kind of a part of the deal. But that's

2262
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 4: how I try to create. But like within coaching, that's

2263
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:24,200
Speaker 4: it's hard to even do that, do you know what

2264
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 4: I mean? Like it's it's pedal to the metal unless

2265
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 4: you're the head.

2266
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 6: Guy right making like if you're the head coach making

2267
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 6: the rules correct. But if you're like the offensive line coach,

2268
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 6: it's like you basically I have work to do, but

2269
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 6: I really can't leave until the head coach leaves. Yeah whatever,

2270
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,600
Speaker 6: maybe like I had to watch the tote pole above me,

2271
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 6: like go before I can I can pay.

2272
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,160
Speaker 4: It's atal business man, brutal dude.

2273
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 6: People don't realize because there's a lot of people that

2274
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 6: want to get into coaching because it's like just like

2275
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 6: all of us, like we just love balling. You want

2276
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 6: to stay in it somehow if luckily we've kind of

2277
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,640
Speaker 6: made this avenue to stay in ball. But like a

2278
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,759
Speaker 6: lot of people at default go to coaching not realizing

2279
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 6: what they're really getting into.

2280
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 4: It's like eighty ninety hours a week. Yeah, and like

2281
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 4: you don't you leave your house like you play on

2282
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 4: a Sunday. You go into work on Monday and you

2283
01:44:04,280 --> 01:44:06,720
Speaker 4: don't see your kids again to toil like Friday. Yeah, right,

2284
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 4: Friday is like the good day, rightday. That's the easy out.

2285
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 4: Early schools out early, ye know, Yeah, peeling out of

2286
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,120
Speaker 4: the parking lot and you're out of there at like

2287
01:44:15,200 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 4: four thirty or five, you know, with with at least

2288
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:23,040
Speaker 4: for us, which is like, you know, that's like breakfast time. Yeah,

2289
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. In the coaching world, every.

2290
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 2: Coach is like it's you know, once I've been around,

2291
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 2: it's like, what else am I going to do?

2292
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 1: What else would I do?

2293
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 2: The one who would tell me to like not get

2294
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 2: in and he'd even call me. He called me like

2295
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,919
Speaker 2: a few times last year. It was a coach Manusky.

2296
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:40,120
Speaker 2: He's with the Vikings. He's a live lieby coach. He

2297
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 2: was my coordinator in Washington. He's with Kentucky University of

2298
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 2: Kentucky a couple of years.

2299
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:46,679
Speaker 1: Awesome, dude.

2300
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 2: Remember I'll tell you stories about Tom Sula, Yeah, coach Tomsula,

2301
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 2: the Italian Yeah, with Delaney Walker and him and his

2302
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,519
Speaker 2: best friends like Minuski and those dudes were like the best.

2303
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: But Minski out Chentle fights like, compty this gig you got.

2304
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 4: Going on right now?

2305
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 2: He's like, don't you don't want to get into coaching,

2306
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,639
Speaker 2: And he would just be like, I.

2307
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: Do it because it's you know, I feel like it's

2308
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: all I got.

2309
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 2: He's like, but I could just sit on a bus

2310
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 2: and talk ship like we do it the coolest.

2311
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 6: It is awesome. You have to coaching would fucking suck.

2312
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 6: I don't know, boys, what do we think?

2313
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:27,679
Speaker 4: Who's like the perfect player, like the best scout report

2314
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 4: you've seen? Oh, that's a good question.

2315
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 2: JP just asked, who is the best scouting report? Who's

2316
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 2: the best player that had the best scouting report you've

2317
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 2: ever seen?

2318
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 4: On a guy.

2319
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have to out.

2320
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: Trent Richardson didn't necessarily have to pan on the league,

2321
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 2: but still on paper, he's like this guy just read.

2322
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 4: Like how people Well he's one of them. But I

2323
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 4: would say, like even it was before I got in

2324
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 4: the league, but like Peyton Manning's scouting report was like.

2325
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 1: But he went on but he went second to Ryan Leif,

2326
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Ryan Leif.

2327
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,759
Speaker 4: What was Ryan leaf scouting report? Like that was before

2328
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 4: I was in the league too.

2329
01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, but like I know, you ever look

2330
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,720
Speaker 6: back at old stuff and just like because you like

2331
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 6: for the love of the year.

2332
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,599
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, sometimes I do, yeah, sometimes I do, and

2333
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 4: and I don't. I don't remember specifically what Leaf's was.

2334
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 4: I know there was like I just know Peyton's was

2335
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 4: like this guy was like most mature guy, super smart. Obviously,

2336
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 4: the pedigree was ridiculous. He was awesome on the field,

2337
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 4: field general, the whole deal. It was like grown man,

2338
01:46:40,479 --> 01:46:43,280
Speaker 4: you know, as a twenty two year old kid. And

2339
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,719
Speaker 4: there wasn't like a flaw on the scouting report. Maybe

2340
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 4: like the arm strength wasn't like top notch, but his

2341
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 4: scouting report was amazing. I'm trying to think, is that

2342
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 4: my first year in the league was like or one

2343
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 4: of my first years in the league was like the

2344
01:46:56,240 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 4: twenty twelve draft, which if you're a sports nerd and

2345
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 4: you go back and look at the two thousand, I

2346
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 4: think it's twenty twelve, twenty twelve when von Miller was

2347
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 4: drafted to the research department eleven, right, maybe it was eleven, Yeah,

2348
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 4: because my second year in the league was eleven. It

2349
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 4: was eleven, I was twenty ten, eleven like that, what's

2350
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:20,760
Speaker 4: that eleven? Was von Miller? I believe because it was

2351
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 4: Cam Newton was picked number one. Then we had the

2352
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 4: number two pick. Von Miller was picked and was Marcel

2353
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 4: Darius was picked in that round. Patrick Peterson was picked

2354
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 4: in the first round. A. J. Green was picked in

2355
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 4: the in the first round.

2356
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 6: J J.

2357
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 4: Watt was picked in the first round. Julio was picked

2358
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:39,839
Speaker 4: in the first round. There's all one draft.

2359
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's wild.

2360
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 4: And then Tyron Smith, I mean it's it's insane. But

2361
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:50,599
Speaker 4: the guy whose scouting report was ridiculous, Like is Julio Jones?

2362
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:58,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean just an alien? An alien? Yeah, size, length, hands,

2363
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 4: speed and the thing about who Jones? It was really unique.

2364
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 4: And this is what makes a lot of the really

2365
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 4: talented receivers unique. When you see the big tall guy

2366
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 4: that has a little guy I say the little guy's

2367
01:48:09,560 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 4: skill set, meaning he can get in and out of

2368
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 4: all the different like the curls, the comebacks, like the

2369
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 4: hard angle breaks were like the little guys, you know,

2370
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 4: they can drop their weight really quick and get out

2371
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 4: of a renfro like Julio Jones can run every route

2372
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 4: on the route tree. But he's six foot machine, yeah, bro,

2373
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 4: because he can do like he was one of those

2374
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 4: guys that could run all the different you know, all

2375
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 4: the different routes. And you saw him at college. I

2376
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 4: mean he was a man amongst boys and there wasn't.

2377
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 6: Like Alabama too. At Alabama already men amongst boys in college.

2378
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, what could you say negative? You know what I mean?

2379
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 4: So like he was, he was a special one coming out.

2380
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: Going up with wish he fucking did stand on the

2381
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver trend. DeVante Adams Free. You have one of

2382
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 2: the best, arguably the best wide receiver in the league.

2383
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 1: Talk about him. Max was talking about his.

2384
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 2: Work ethic and him as an overall teammate, which he

2385
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 2: was very surprised comparing. He was comparing Davante to when

2386
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 2: they had a superstar on Antonio Brown and just how

2387
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,760
Speaker 2: different you know they're you know, so what I'm looking for.

2388
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 6: Aby was a diva superstar, And when Davante Adams was

2389
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 6: brought in, he was thinking, like, man, this is is

2390
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:25,360
Speaker 6: he going to be the same way as ab was?

2391
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it sounds like he's not at all.

2392
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2393
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 4: No, The unique thing about him, like, besides I'll get

2394
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 4: to the skill set, the unique thing about him is

2395
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:37,200
Speaker 4: like his his demeanor and his approach he's a like

2396
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 4: he like he's a grown man, like he should come

2397
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,280
Speaker 4: into work. He comes in all Jordan gear. He's a

2398
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 4: Jordan guy, but like he should come in like in

2399
01:49:44,840 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 4: like a you know, a five thousand dollars suit, you know,

2400
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 4: with a briefcase. Like this guy's coming into work business. Yes,

2401
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 4: and his focus and these are that I've been around

2402
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 4: a few like or the really really top really some

2403
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 4: of the best in the history of the game. I've

2404
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 4: been around Peyton Manning and Denver tom Brady in New

2405
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:09,720
Speaker 4: England and DeVante Adams here. And the similarity that those

2406
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 4: guys have is every single day, it seems, is like Sunday,

2407
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 4: like their approach does not waiver, Like he is that

2408
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 4: dial then, like DeVante Adams at practice on a Wednesday

2409
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,759
Speaker 4: is as dial inn as what you see on Sunday.

2410
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 4: I mean he is just works and he's a serious

2411
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 4: demeanor and he every like every part of the day.

2412
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 4: And he and he's a great guy too, Like he

2413
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,240
Speaker 4: has a good personality, but like there's no mistake in

2414
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 4: that he's there to work, like he's there to get

2415
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 4: better and he is there to like be the best

2416
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 4: version of himself every single day and I'm talking about

2417
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 4: from OTA's training camp to the last week of the season,

2418
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 4: just before we were playing Kansas City. It's the same

2419
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 4: every day. And that's what's really unique about him is

2420
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 4: his approach is just super serious and there is no

2421
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 4: frills with him. There is no diva with him, There

2422
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:07,559
Speaker 4: is no extra stuff. There is just well, yeah, everyone

2423
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 4: has to have a camera, everyone's got something, everyone's like.

2424
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:15,439
Speaker 4: When he comes in the building, it's it's it's it's all.

2425
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,599
Speaker 4: It's all work like every day and so like that's

2426
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 4: the one thing that's really unique about him. And then

2427
01:51:21,439 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 4: the skill set for him is what you don't see

2428
01:51:23,320 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 4: is like what I was surprised when I got and

2429
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 4: saw him start practicing, as I knew was good, but

2430
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 4: was just like the start stop ability, the ability to

2431
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 4: change speeds like within a route. A lot of people

2432
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 4: run routes just one speed. This guy runs one route.

2433
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 4: There's like seven different speeds within that one route. And

2434
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,439
Speaker 4: then he has the ability like his strength is deceiving,

2435
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 4: like this guy's hard to bring down, super powerful, strong,

2436
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 4: hard to tackle, can make people miss. He has that

2437
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:56,040
Speaker 4: just that suddenness that yeah, you know that little that

2438
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 4: little move that's like again for a guy that's over

2439
01:51:58,479 --> 01:52:02,400
Speaker 4: six foot, over two hundred pounds with the best hand

2440
01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 4: coordination hand eye coordination I've ever seen, really like the

2441
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 4: late hands. We call it the late hands on the

2442
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:10,920
Speaker 4: deep ball. So like the good, good receivers that have

2443
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:14,920
Speaker 4: that become really good deep ball receivers. A cornerback is

2444
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,599
Speaker 4: taught to watch a receiver's hands, so like, you know,

2445
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 4: he's running on my hip, I'm running on the deep ball.

2446
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 4: When my hands go up, that's the DB's signal for

2447
01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 4: his hands and eyes to go up. My man, Davante,

2448
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 4: if you watch the latest hands in the game, like

2449
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:33,000
Speaker 4: the deep ball will be coming. I see it in practice.

2450
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,639
Speaker 4: The dB goes, they go nuts because they just can't

2451
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 4: stop it. His deep ball. The ball's coming, it's coming.

2452
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 4: And it's literally just that most guys, it's coming, it's coming.

2453
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 4: It's I mean, he just and it's it's the most

2454
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,640
Speaker 4: ridiculous thing you ever see. Like the ability to do

2455
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 4: that when you're running at twenty miles per hour, like

2456
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 4: as a top end speed, a guy's on your hip

2457
01:52:57,680 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 4: and you're also running fifty yards to be able to

2458
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 4: do all of that and then just I mean at

2459
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:08,920
Speaker 4: the hand, eye coordination on him his reaction, Superstar, you.

2460
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 6: Were saying in Kansas City has lost by one point.

2461
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:13,040
Speaker 6: You lost so many games this year by seven or

2462
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:17,400
Speaker 6: less points, Like, as a GM, where do you start

2463
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 6: so next year that those game of inches, those title

2464
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 6: little inches go your way?

2465
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:25,320
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, that's a good question. Thank you, great question.

2466
01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 4: Appreciate that. I'm getting better. Yeah, we we. I think

2467
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 4: we lost what it was eight to one score games,

2468
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 4: you know, and and again like at the end of

2469
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:36,080
Speaker 4: the day, we weren't good enough. That's the fact of

2470
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 4: the matter to win those games. And so I think

2471
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 4: when you look at them, a lot of games in

2472
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 4: football and a lot of our games this year, there's

2473
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 4: three or four plays in each game that were that

2474
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 4: that didn't go our way, and so start to dig

2475
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,400
Speaker 4: in why you have to start asking the question why,

2476
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 4: you know, why didn't they go that way? And and

2477
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,719
Speaker 4: again some of them there's there's a lot of different reasons.

2478
01:53:57,720 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 4: I would say the one thing for that that I

2479
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 4: think is important to have to being able to So

2480
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 4: I'll say it like this, I think the thing that's

2481
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 4: important to win those close games is you have to

2482
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:13,559
Speaker 4: have people that you have to have a group of

2483
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 4: eleven guys that in those critical moments can all execute

2484
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 4: their assignment and be synchronized with each other. And I

2485
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 4: think at times we just we weren't able to do

2486
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,600
Speaker 4: that for whatever the reason is, do you know what

2487
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 4: I mean? And there's could be a lot of reasons

2488
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 4: to that. And I think that and I've talked about

2489
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 4: this in other interviews. I think one thing that's important

2490
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 4: to me in terms of building the team and improving

2491
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,800
Speaker 4: the team is improving also, I think, are the football

2492
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:42,919
Speaker 4: intelligence on our team. Yeah, situational awareness, situational football, situational awareness,

2493
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 4: and some some of that comes from who you're bringing in,

2494
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 4: some of that comes from how you you know, how

2495
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 4: you teach it, and and and all those things kind

2496
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:56,400
Speaker 4: of come together. But building a smart, tough, physical football

2497
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 4: team that can perform in the critical situations is kind

2498
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 4: of the philosoph be and it's something that's really important

2499
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 4: to us as as a Raider organization. And so I

2500
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 4: think to do that, we have to continue to find

2501
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 4: the pieces in the different rooms, whether it's the linebacker room,

2502
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 4: whether it's the defensive back room or receiver room, whatever,

2503
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 4: find players that embody that that can do that in

2504
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 4: those critical moments, and I think those are some of

2505
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,959
Speaker 4: the If we can do that, I think we'll eventually

2506
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,200
Speaker 4: we'll end up turning the tides on those close games,

2507
01:55:25,200 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 4: and those close games will be the games that we win.

2508
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 6: How much do you not just look at the players,

2509
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,120
Speaker 6: but you look back at these close games and the

2510
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 6: coaches calling, and like, do you look at those and

2511
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 6: we've probably wouldn't have been in this calm the situation,

2512
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 6: and do you like, are you critical of those types

2513
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:39,920
Speaker 6: of things?

2514
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean so like with Josh and I specifically,

2515
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:44,840
Speaker 4: obviously we have a relationship that goes a long way back,

2516
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:46,880
Speaker 4: and so we we we have a lot of those

2517
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 4: critical conversations and we can have them and we can

2518
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,480
Speaker 4: The cool thing about us is we can do it

2519
01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 4: without it causing like a divide. I mean, you guys

2520
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 4: have well you've been in Tennessee the whole time. You've

2521
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 4: been in some different buildings. But we've been in the NFL,

2522
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,640
Speaker 4: and we know there can be these different ruggles between

2523
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,400
Speaker 4: coaching and personnel and you know, all those different types

2524
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 4: of things. I would say one, I have a having

2525
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 4: coached and understand it, even though it was at college

2526
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:11,480
Speaker 4: and high school. I have a great amount of respect

2527
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:14,320
Speaker 4: for coaches and what they do and the amount of time.

2528
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 4: Like we talked about the amount of time that they

2529
01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 4: put in, and so I'm not going to act like

2530
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 4: the expert either, do you know what I mean? Because

2531
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 4: I know how much time that they put in, and

2532
01:56:22,520 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 4: I know ultimately what coaches are trying to do is

2533
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 4: they try to put players in the best situations to

2534
01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 4: have you to have the players be successful.

2535
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: And so.

2536
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 4: I don't act like the expert to answer part of

2537
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 4: your question because I'm not the expert, right and so

2538
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 4: I can I'll ask maybe the why or the reason,

2539
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:46,120
Speaker 4: and you know, i'd say almost ten out of ten

2540
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 4: times or a lot of the times, like, Okay, I

2541
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 4: get it. You were trying to do X, Y and

2542
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 4: Z and we didn't. You know, we didn't execute it

2543
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 4: for whatever the reason is. But we have a lot

2544
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 4: of those conversations of I have a lot of the

2545
01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:58,840
Speaker 4: conversations because I want to learn too, of the whys.

2546
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:00,920
Speaker 4: Why do we do this here? Why did we do

2547
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:04,200
Speaker 4: that here? But it's not the why of like why

2548
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 4: the hell did you do that? It's more like the

2549
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:09,760
Speaker 4: curiosity and again having the dialogue of to understand to

2550
01:57:09,800 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 4: make sure, like we are doing the right things, and

2551
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 4: it's to be the same question, why did you draft

2552
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 4: this guy here or why did you bring this guy

2553
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,360
Speaker 4: on the team. What did you think he could do? Well?

2554
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:20,000
Speaker 4: I thought he was going to fill this role and

2555
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,080
Speaker 4: be able to help us in this area. That's the why.

2556
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 4: So we have a lot of those conversations. But I'm

2557
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:28,880
Speaker 4: not in there as like, you know, acting like I'm

2558
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:29,360
Speaker 4: the expert.

2559
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 6: I guess at the end of the day, right, I

2560
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:33,320
Speaker 6: guess it's like, yeah, no, that makes sense.

2561
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:38,800
Speaker 4: Today today because of the way that the game's covered

2562
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,920
Speaker 4: with there's so many different social media outlets, right, there's Twitter,

2563
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:46,280
Speaker 4: there's you know again, all this different stuff. One thing

2564
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:51,920
Speaker 4: that I've noticed that obviously drives discussion and drives clicks

2565
01:57:52,120 --> 01:57:54,400
Speaker 4: and all the other different stuff. And that's not a criticism,

2566
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 4: that's just this is what's popular is coaches decisions, right,

2567
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 4: like game management decisions. Well, they called a time out here,

2568
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 4: why didn't they save the time out to here? So

2569
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Speaker 4: that's a hot button issue, is like criticizing coaches and

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01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 4: criticizing game management and criticizing coaches decisions. I would tell

2571
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 4: you this what I've learned, for the most part, is

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01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 4: that they have really good reasons behind most of the

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01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 4: decisions that they make, and they spend a lot of

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01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 4: time during the week, like I said, of putting players

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01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:26,240
Speaker 4: in positions to make plays. And so I guess I'm

2576
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 4: pro coach in that way because I respect what they do,

2577
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 4: and I respect the time that they put in, and

2578
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 4: I respect them they're the experts in their field and

2579
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 4: that they're making decisions. Most of the times, they're making

2580
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,640
Speaker 4: decisions that they think are best. Not not to say

2581
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 4: there aren't game management you know, you know games where

2582
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,320
Speaker 4: coaches make poor decisions when it comes to game management

2583
01:58:46,760 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 4: or maybe a play call here or there, like they're

2584
01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:50,800
Speaker 4: going to nobody's going to be perfect. But I'm going

2585
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 4: to side with the experts and the amount of time

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01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:57,600
Speaker 4: that they put in and you know, kind of lead

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01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 4: on their lean on their expertise.

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01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:01,839
Speaker 1: When it comes to these big decisions.

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01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:03,560
Speaker 2: We wouldn't be able to do this pop without asking

2590
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:06,839
Speaker 2: about the Derek Carr situation. How difficult of a decision

2591
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 2: was that, especially late in the year, knowing that he

2592
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 2: was you know, he's been the Raiders guy for I

2593
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 2: think nine years.

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01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you speak on that situation a little bit?

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01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that a decision like that, it's a

2596
01:59:19,560 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 4: tough decision and and like you said, there's a lot

2597
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 4: of emotion involved in that decision too. And I would think, say,

2598
01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 4: one like you spent time with Derek Carr, and Derek

2599
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 4: Carr is a phenomenal human Being's it's it's hard not

2600
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 4: to like Derek Carr. And it's hard not to like

2601
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:38,560
Speaker 4: Derek Carr. Not just because he's has a great personality.

2602
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 4: He's kind, he's caring, he's respectful, all of that different stuff,

2603
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 4: but he also, like you said, he was with the

2604
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:47,200
Speaker 4: Raiders for nine years, playing one of the playing arguably

2605
01:59:47,240 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 4: the most difficult position to play in all of sports.

2606
01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 4: The quarterback's tough position to play in totality.

2607
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:54,960
Speaker 2: And so.

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01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:58,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so to to see a guy that's played, you know,

2609
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 4: again he's played the nine years for the same organization

2610
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 4: and having to make a decision like that, there's a

2611
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,400
Speaker 4: lot of emotion that's involved in trying and having to

2612
02:00:06,440 --> 02:00:08,680
Speaker 4: make that decision. And it's a hard decision to make.

2613
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, like that's what

2614
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,600
Speaker 4: we get paid to do too, is make hard decisions,

2615
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:16,280
Speaker 4: and we have to make a lot of hard decisions

2616
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:19,240
Speaker 4: throughout the year. I mean, that's the most high profile one,

2617
02:00:19,320 --> 02:00:21,400
Speaker 4: but there was a lot of decisions throughout the year

2618
02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 4: that were hard decisions to make, whether it was you know,

2619
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 4: making a decision with John Abram or you know, Alex Leatherwood. Again,

2620
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 4: all those decisions are hard decisions, like we talked about

2621
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 4: the beginning one, because it's someone's livelihood, you know what

2622
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 4: I mean, and people that are really dedicated to their

2623
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 4: craft too, and so they're all hard, and they're all

2624
02:00:42,040 --> 02:00:44,040
Speaker 4: decisions you don't want to have to make. And again,

2625
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 4: I think that one was even a little bit more

2626
02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:49,440
Speaker 4: difficult because of what he's meant to the Raider organization

2627
02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 4: and just who he is as a human being.

2628
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2629
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like it also speaks, like you know,

2630
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 2: earlier before the pod, you kind of talk about your

2631
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 2: philosophies of like getting in your spot, the perspective that

2632
02:01:00,760 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 2: you have that whole, like the fear of failure, like

2633
02:01:04,040 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 2: not being able, not being able to have that close

2634
02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 2: to you. Because I'm sure a decision like that was

2635
02:01:09,080 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 2: obviously a huge one. Like the external noise out there,

2636
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:16,000
Speaker 2: everybody questioning stuff, why this lay all this stuff, It's

2637
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:17,720
Speaker 2: kind of one of those things where you're you know,

2638
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,520
Speaker 2: being true, I guess yourself in that philosophy of like

2639
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:24,280
Speaker 2: this could this is a very difficult decision, but I'm

2640
02:01:24,280 --> 02:01:26,440
Speaker 2: gonna go with my gut here and you know, move

2641
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,000
Speaker 2: forward with it.

2642
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are I mean, like I said, those are because.

2643
02:01:30,200 --> 02:01:32,600
Speaker 2: I'm sure you it's it's like a fire. You immediately

2644
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:34,280
Speaker 2: kind of feel like you kind of hear it all,

2645
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 2: whether or not you want to separate it. It's like, oh,

2646
02:01:36,800 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 2: this is gonna be massive once it gets out.

2647
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you and i'd be lying up it said you

2648
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 4: don't hear it all, you know what I mean, or

2649
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:45,480
Speaker 4: most of it like you do. It's hard not to hear,

2650
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:48,120
Speaker 4: you know, on any of the decisions that you make.

2651
02:01:48,200 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 4: And so yeah, you just got to trust you got

2652
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,480
Speaker 4: to trust your you know, trust your gut, and you

2653
02:01:52,680 --> 02:01:55,160
Speaker 4: have to be convicted on the decisions that you make

2654
02:01:55,240 --> 02:01:57,800
Speaker 4: and have a plan and a reason for doing it.

2655
02:01:57,880 --> 02:01:59,320
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to get into all that, but

2656
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:01,839
Speaker 4: you know, there's a plan and a reason for every decision,

2657
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 4: and you know, like ultimately you have to you have

2658
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:09,040
Speaker 4: to feel like you're making the best decision for the raiders,

2659
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:11,080
Speaker 4: whether it's you know, in the short term of the

2660
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:13,760
Speaker 4: long term and ultimately that's what you know, that's what

2661
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 4: we did in that situation, ma'am. This has been an

2662
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:18,080
Speaker 4: outstanding pucket.

2663
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:23,000
Speaker 1: It has you feel like it elevates the expectation at all.

2664
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:24,880
Speaker 2: When you make a decision like that, it's like, all right, well,

2665
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,120
Speaker 2: now we need to figure out what our next moves are,

2666
02:02:28,160 --> 02:02:30,280
Speaker 2: whether or not again you're like, I can't go too

2667
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:31,600
Speaker 2: far into it because it's not like you're going to

2668
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 2: say what your decisions are going to be. But you

2669
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:35,360
Speaker 2: make a move like that, it's like, all right, boys,

2670
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,680
Speaker 2: we made the decision. Yeah, let's figure out the way

2671
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 2: that we make sure we end up being right about this.

2672
02:02:42,120 --> 02:02:44,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the reality of it. Because it's the quarterback, right,

2673
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:47,600
Speaker 4: It's the most important position on the team. I mean

2674
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:51,760
Speaker 4: it really is. Yea, So like yeah, like that at

2675
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 4: the end of the day, like I'm in charge of

2676
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:56,600
Speaker 4: myself and you know, our group, we're in charge of

2677
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 4: filling the most important position on the team. And so yeah,

2678
02:03:00,760 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 4: there's some you know, there's there's some there's some pressure

2679
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:07,400
Speaker 4: that comes along with that, and and however we feel it,

2680
02:03:07,480 --> 02:03:09,240
Speaker 4: it doesn't mean we're going to have an immediate answer.

2681
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:11,360
Speaker 4: You know this year, you know what I mean. And

2682
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:15,200
Speaker 4: so but at the end of the day, we have

2683
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:18,640
Speaker 4: to have an answer, you know, in some form or fashion,

2684
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 4: you know. And so, yeah, there's pressure that comes along

2685
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 4: with it. And and again that's also part of the

2686
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 4: excitement too, is that pressure is finding that guy and uh,

2687
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:29,400
Speaker 4: you know that will be the next task.

2688
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,440
Speaker 2: Do we have a tear talk? It's almost eight o'clock,

2689
02:03:33,880 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 2: said we could, we could just do that, We could

2690
02:03:35,800 --> 02:03:41,880
Speaker 2: just do the tear so, yeah, we can do the

2691
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 2: tear talk for the interro. Yeah, with the teacher for

2692
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 2: the intro.

2693
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:47,400
Speaker 1: I think there's been an incredible podcast.

2694
02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:51,480
Speaker 6: It's been one of my favorites. Good we do Christa,

2695
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 6: Oh you got the sound treatment.

2696
02:03:55,800 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 4: She definitely heard.

2697
02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I almost feel we need you, but I'm thinking I

2698
02:03:58,400 --> 02:03:59,160
Speaker 1: don't know her at all.

2699
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:05,560
Speaker 4: All right, now, have you enjoyed yourself? Yeah? Wasn't what

2700
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:06,280
Speaker 4: you thought it would be.

2701
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know you were kind of you.

2702
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:10,680
Speaker 4: We were all excited to be together on this podcast. Yeah,

2703
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 4: it's I mean it's surreal.

2704
02:04:13,120 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 1: Who do you think is going to be listening that

2705
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:16,240
Speaker 1: we're not aware of that we'll be listening? Like do

2706
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:19,840
Speaker 1: you think I think, well, you think the owner are

2707
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,480
Speaker 1: gonna be listening, coach me. Daniels M.

2708
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:24,360
Speaker 4: Probably not.

2709
02:04:25,880 --> 02:04:26,640
Speaker 1: That kind of sucks.

2710
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 4: That's a tough he I was kind.

2711
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:31,120
Speaker 1: Of excited to hear. Yeah, probably who will be listening that.

2712
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:34,600
Speaker 4: There's probably some people that in the Raiders organization that

2713
02:04:34,640 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 4: maybe don't listen to Busting with the Boys that are

2714
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 4: going to listen to it because I'm on it.

2715
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:46,720
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't know really getting together. I was excited,

2716
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:50,960
Speaker 6: like that's the biggest headline out of a fling. Yeah,

2717
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Speaker 6: we can stop right now. Ladies, gentlemen, thank you so much.

2718
02:04:53,880 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 6: As always, please subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. If you want that

2719
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:01,960
Speaker 6: Buddelizer merchants, it's gone, brother, you can't get that no more.

2720
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of good stuff.

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02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:04,960
Speaker 6: We have a lot of stuff in that merch store,

2722
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 6: and we need This is the biggest year of our lives,

2723
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:07,320
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three.

2724
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:09,520
Speaker 4: This is going to be massive. So we need you.

2725
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:11,480
Speaker 6: See your friend, tell a friend to make this thing happen.

2726
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:12,600
Speaker 6: Big hugs, Tenny Kisses.

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Speaker 1: Keep the cameras in just case. Sysma