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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: in seventy three into day. In the show, we've got

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Speaker 1: a phone conversation from our annual Iowa shed hunting camp

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Speaker 1: in which we're talking shed hunting off season, white tail

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Speaker 1: prep and lessons learned, and we're tackling a little bit

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Speaker 1: of listener Q and A. All right, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx and

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Speaker 1: today I am sitting in Iowa for a kind of

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Speaker 1: unique podcast of sorts. We're actually sitting in a truck

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Speaker 1: outside a restaurant. We just had a fish fry tonight

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Speaker 1: and uh i'll hear with my buddy Ross Hass and

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Speaker 1: my buddy uncle Peter. Hello. Thank you guys for for

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Speaker 1: making this work. We're struggling with the post fish fry

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Speaker 1: kind of food coma. What did you say that's hard forbid? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So if Ross sleeps his way through this one, forgive him.

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Speaker 1: Um well, it would be the first time Ross slept

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Speaker 1: through a podcast of yours. Today, I digress, We'll played.

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Speaker 1: So So I did the crazy thing today. I was

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Speaker 1: planning on coming out to Iowa for an extended shed

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Speaker 1: hunting trips slash do some podcasts things like that, and

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Speaker 1: I just had a bunch of funky things come up

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Speaker 1: with my schedule, um where I had to go to

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Speaker 1: some other places and the time to do the Iowa

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Speaker 1: trip got kind of cut. So I was sitting here

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Speaker 1: the other night last night thinking myself, if I what

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Speaker 1: am I gonna do? I'm not I'm basically not going

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Speaker 1: to be able to go to Iowa four the shed

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Speaker 1: hunting trip that we've been talking about at all, unless

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Speaker 1: I somehow try to fit it in this weekend. Um.

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Speaker 1: But I only had one day. I thought I could

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Speaker 1: get away with that. So at about ten thirty last night,

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Speaker 1: I decided, you know what, I'm gonna wake up at

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Speaker 1: three thirty am tomorrow morning. I'm gonna drive this so

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Speaker 1: many hours, six or so hours to Iowa and we're

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Speaker 1: in a shed hunt for the day. How how's that going? Well, well, no,

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Speaker 1: well it's not the answer, um. But the other thing

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Speaker 1: is I'm gonna try to do this all day shed

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Speaker 1: hunt and then leave still tonight. So that put a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure on today's shed hunt on us. That's

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Speaker 1: to your point, Peter, Yes, yes I found one shed, Um,

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Speaker 1: but I think we had we gotta set the stage

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Speaker 1: is a little bit more because a couple of things

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Speaker 1: are worth noting today. I do want to talk about

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Speaker 1: our shed hunting trip. I do talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about how the shed season in general has gone, because

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Speaker 1: we're kinda kind of peeking shed season right now for

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Speaker 1: most people, and then it's going to kind of start

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Speaker 1: transitioning over turkeys here soon. Um. Speaking of turkeys to Peter,

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, last year at our shed camp

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Speaker 1: are Iowah shed Camp podcast, you were with me and

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Speaker 1: Ross and Ben, and we spent a decent amount of

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Speaker 1: time talking about, you know, you're hunting journey up to

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Speaker 1: that point and some of the things going to last season.

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Speaker 1: So if you'll let me, I want to grill you

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Speaker 1: a little bit about how your two thousand eighteen season went.

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Speaker 1: Sure we can do that. So your crowd is going

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Speaker 1: to love that, So let's have So I do want

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Speaker 1: to do that, and then we've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: audience questions I wanted to um tackle if we've got time.

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Speaker 1: So the shed hunt though. I think you were seeing these, Peter,

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Speaker 1: but tell me if you didn't. Ross has been sending

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Speaker 1: our group text over the last few weeks, you know,

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Speaker 1: frequent messages saying how good it's going to be this

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Speaker 1: year for the shed trip Um specifically one honey hole

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Speaker 1: of of of the Rosses that we've been shed hunting

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Speaker 1: specifically was thinking last night as I'm laying in that

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Speaker 1: Any other year it would be stupid to drive all

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Speaker 1: this is the year double digit sheds in one spot,

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Speaker 1: Ross promised me. So I did it last night last night.

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Speaker 1: like is this a stupid idea or not? Well, if

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Speaker 1: I would have to concur with Ross. I drive by

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Speaker 1: have been good. It would have been a good number

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Speaker 1: for us. Why Ross, did you think it was gonna

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Speaker 1: be so good? Um, it's just a good The woods

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Speaker 1: is just a good wintering kind of like betting area

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Speaker 1: it at night, there be I'd see deer, No no problem,

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Speaker 1: just from the road. That's crazy. So I was really excited,

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Speaker 1: sure other people have permission um to walk it. So

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Speaker 1: soon as possible. And that's why that's why we told

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Speaker 1: you twenty ships tomorrow, Mark, you should probably come down here.

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Speaker 1: I thought Mary, which I like to call her Mary,

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Speaker 1: secret What did happen with that ross? Yeah, well I

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Speaker 1: don't know that. I mean, super nice lady and uh,

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Speaker 1: fresh ones too, oh really really fresh. And then and

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Speaker 1: old too. So somebody had been in their ton. It's

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Speaker 1: probably one of those things where you got permission hunt

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Speaker 1: get a big shed rally, rally, look awesome, this is

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Speaker 1: anybody go out and do it. Yeah, you guys don't

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Speaker 1: like the competition, huh. And then we go we go

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Speaker 1: about how awesome shed honey is. That'd be great. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the vicious little tongue in cheek they're about. Yeah, um, so,

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Speaker 1: so what let's break down where we we did find

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Speaker 1: that we went to earlier in the day before Peter

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Speaker 1: And I just I saw that lone tree there, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, God, there has to be a shed around here.

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Speaker 1: So I stopped, took a second look, and then somehow

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Speaker 1: I saw it from the different angle. Um, but that's

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Speaker 1: I'll go hit all those kind of stranded cedar trees

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Speaker 1: when when the deer browsing cedar cedars more than usual,

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Speaker 1: like in a mild winter, they might not touch them

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Speaker 1: this year. Um, so then we're else, we're whof? So

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Speaker 1: I found mine? First? No, you found the first one ross? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that little dink. You found a spike? Right? Ye? Where

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Speaker 1: was that fence crossing? Fence crossing? Okay, second shed was

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Speaker 1: does that mean? It was that old one? Hold that

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Speaker 1: old one. That was if you can imagine a prairie

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Speaker 1: probably three years old. That was considered a what would

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Speaker 1: quite well, yeah, three years or so. Shed number four

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Speaker 1: was you as well, Peter R. Yeah, that was my nickname.

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Speaker 1: Perimeter Pete. I like to walk to a perimeter. If

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Speaker 1: you can imagine this property having a a fence line

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Speaker 1: on the other side of private ground, we can't walk,

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Speaker 1: that's all prairie. Uh, and the deer come out of

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Speaker 1: on the edge in between. It's like twenty yards maybe

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Speaker 1: guys traveled a long ways. Mark, I said, you go

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Speaker 1: here in the perimeter. And um, the last time we

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Speaker 1: It's funny, right, you always do this. You always say

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Speaker 1: So today, before you arrive, Ross said, hey, don't let

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Speaker 1: Pete walk the low hanging fruit. You make sure you

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Speaker 1: get it this time. Yeah, well it didn't happen to it,

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Speaker 1: than you know, being able to hunt. Right. Yeah, you

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00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: you certainly shown that that's the case. You dealt some

428
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: great relationships by way of that kind of thing. But

429
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: I think I think being down here though too. Like

430
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: I when we started, when we were living in Iowa,

431
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: when we came down here from Wisconsin, it was a

432
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: little easier to get permission back when we were really

433
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: trying to trying to find places to go. Now it

434
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: just keeps getting harder and harder. Other areas of the

435
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: country I think would be I mean ten times harder

436
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: than here, but but it is, it is becoming more

437
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 1: challenging for sure. Do you think that's just because more

438
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: people are trying to get permission or are you seeing

439
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: outfitting happening by you or other things or what leasing?

440
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 1: And then you know, and then everybody else, I mean

441
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: permission to other people, and yeah, I mean it's it's yeah,

442
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: years ago when we were kind of doing the some

443
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: of that filming for you, I mean to discuss that,

444
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: Avin Ross text me, look at this sign on our stand.

445
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: We had no idea our best property was leased out,

446
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: and that's kind of way it went. And then all

447
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: the rest kind of all that he had like three

448
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: different areas we could hunt individual foreign properties and they

449
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: each one of them slowly went away and then it

450
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: was gone. That was really like the end of an

451
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: era too for you guys, wasn't it. Yeah, we used

452
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: to hunt together a lot back and then Ross got married.

453
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 1: Ross got married, But Candall hunts all the time too,

454
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: So that's actually great for them. But it still doesn't

455
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: bother do not for me so much? No, gosh, sure

456
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: it does. Ross would rattle the deer in you. Peter,

457
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: there is shoot, I go, No, not big enough son.

458
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: My favorite, and I can't remember if we've mentioned this before,

459
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: My favorite, one of my favorite clips ever that we

460
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: had for the Wired Hunt episodes was it was opening

461
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: day in Iowa two thousand, awesome day, beauty, and Peter's

462
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: up to bat first, he has the bow. Ross is

463
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: sitting above him filming. Ross were even in Iowa. That

464
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: No was in Wisconsin. I just came down the video you.

465
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: I thought, Hey, he's gonna he's gonna actually let the

466
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: aerofly and shehot a big buck. So he's he And

467
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: now was it the split that came in first? Yeah,

468
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: but there was a smaller eight that had great potential.

469
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: Then the split nine or ten described this buck a

470
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: little more. No, No, no, that that young buck that

471
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: had like super came through. Yeah, he came through the split. Yeah,

472
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: but then there's yeah, well he would there was the

473
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: Albom was okay, I'm okay with you letting that. Yeah,

474
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: that's fine. Apparently not in the film though, Well no, no,

475
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: that was just the way Yeah, no, it was can

476
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 1: you paraphrase what he said? Mark? Do you remember so

477
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 1: when the big one came through the bigger the two

478
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: came through? Ross says Peter, what are you doing? Shoot? Shoot?

479
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: Peter's like, I don't think so. And I laughed very,

480
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: very hard every time I watched that you too squabble

481
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: up in the tree. He was it was like probably

482
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: a four year old hundred fort and I think it

483
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: was a great three whatever. Yeah, it was like a webbing.

484
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: He was not like a nice fork. It was just

485
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: a webbing. And what are you talking about? You now

486
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about the little one? No, just split on

487
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: the G two was just more of a web versus

488
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: as big. This is why I hang out with these two. Yeah,

489
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't, you're not You're getting them confused. No, I

490
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: was right in front of me the whole thing. It

491
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: was a It was a big deer, especially for where

492
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: they came in later. Yeah, okay, there's a two At first,

493
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: that's when you kind of yelled at Oh no, no, no,

494
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm okay with those. Yeah, okay, the other one. Yeah,

495
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: I went home. I got sick to my stone. Maybe

496
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I did yell at you for them. Maybe you'r you

497
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: passed on like a hundred and thirty class buck And

498
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: that was a three and a half and had had

499
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: a nice split going on G two, but that one

500
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of potential for the further year. They

501
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of went away, and Ross was still disgusted and

502
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: even bigger about because we heard a smack Nember that

503
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: he was fighting somebody someone. I wonder who's fighting? So

504
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking, What's who is he fighting?

505
00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: He comes in like G three is a little small, No, no, no, no,

506
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: what did I do? He just he had nubs for

507
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: G four's But oh yeah, that's right. It doesn't matter.

508
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: It didn't matter. It shouldn't have mattered. Why did you

509
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: talk yourself out of that? Uh? Yeards broadside, he was

510
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: probably one forty. What what is the what's the truth

511
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: of the matter, Peter truth? I just don't want to

512
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: shoot so I drove all the way down here's the

513
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: real truth to sit in that tree to watch you.

514
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Because Kenda the year before saw these one fifties, one sixties.

515
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's the first day of the season. And

516
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: in reality, did I get another opportunity that whole year? Probably?

517
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: But wait which one? We were the one that was

518
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: what the big on public? Later on the other one came.

519
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: But people, we're losing the audience now, So what are

520
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: you talking about? That one forty class year? I should

521
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: have shot after the other two walked through. Yes, I

522
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: went home and I watched the video and I go,

523
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's hute. You know, that was nice.

524
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: That was my mistake. I think it was his first,

525
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: first first hunt of the year. I'm like, I got

526
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: this because Ross had to lay down. We got this

527
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: permission on this property. It's three acres right here. I

528
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: get to hunt it all myself. And because Ross is

529
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: and Ross is in Wisconsin that and I'm thinking to myself,

530
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: I got I'm not. I'm gonna wait, what's the difference,

531
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: because we actually did see a lot of good deer

532
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: that year. Yeah, that's a lot of good video for

533
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: you that year. Did Yeah, yeah, um, so we're gonna

534
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: say something Ross. No, remember he's probably piste off because

535
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: I went were swearing. I didn't think he'd want to

536
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: come all away from lacrosse. Okay, so the plan was.

537
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: The plan was, I'm coming down, are coming where? It

538
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: never told me? He goes and she hunts it by himself. Ross,

539
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: you should see all the s. No, no, no, that's

540
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: not what it was like. You were finding like you

541
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: had like six little ones and you sat down in

542
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: a stump and pouted because you didn't have any big ones.

543
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: And then you found like five right together like through

544
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: and cleaned it all up, and then we had to

545
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: go back there and get get the seconds. Unbelievable. I

546
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: was mad. I know you were, but I had no

547
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: idea you're still mad? Well yeah you should be. Yeah. Anyways,

548
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: so anyways, back to Peter Passing Deer. When we had

549
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: you on the podcast last time, Uncle Peter, people might

550
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: remember that as the the closest thing we ever got

551
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: to a Bigfoot episode on where Hunt. Oh that was great.

552
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: Oh then I did you did allow me to market

553
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: my business and I did get a gentleman that came in.

554
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: What did this client say, like I asked him, I said,

555
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: did you listen to the whole podcast? Kind of question

556
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: mark voice? And uh, because it was good. Yeah, he

557
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't really bring it up, so I kind of let

558
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: it go as if he didn't know that I did

559
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: big big foot and vocalizations. One of those vocalizations sound

560
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: like the rates that are and just so everybody knows

561
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: in case he no, we got we're in the public

562
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: place right now to scare the natives. So okay, maybe

563
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: you can reference back to that. Yeah, that's a lot

564
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: of editing, but probably not. But we we kind of

565
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: talked about your journey as a hunter, how you kind

566
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: of got up to this point, um, some of the

567
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: different challenges you've had, some of the good things I've

568
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: gone on, Um, And we kind of left off hopeful,

569
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: like we thought that two th eighteen would be your year. Um,

570
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: you had some confidence coming in. Yeah, we had a

571
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: lot of good intel. Uh. So before you only further, Yes,

572
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta just make sure you don't forget

573
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: that your two thousand eighteen season did begin very well

574
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: with our Michigan Turkey camp. Yes, that was exciting, um,

575
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: because that's a story worth telling, you know, Mike, I

576
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of experience killing things, so that

577
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: was actually fun to get out there and uh kill something.

578
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: So that was that kind of gets the on the table.

579
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: So so we're going turkey hunting together. So I was

580
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: I got luck and have to go out there with

581
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon extra the extraordinaire, pretty good at calling in turkey.

582
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: So we get out there and we're sitting on this

583
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: this little spot it's probably like a fence row that's

584
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: has a road coming through it, and we I isolate

585
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: the turkey the hundred fift yards away, would you say

586
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: maybe something like that? It comes down in we're watching it,

587
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: saying come forever, and it's getting within forty yards and

588
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: he's hammering away and I'm like, this is gonna happen.

589
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: And then I'm like Mark can be you know, I

590
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: know Mark, and I'm not really scared of him, but

591
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: I was actually scared if I'm during that because he's like, Peter,

592
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: don't move from but I'm like, I gonna move and

593
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: I've really got to move. I'm going numb. And I'm

594
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: like I'm like I'm seeing a different side of Mark here,

595
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: like this, like that Cameraman episode, you know, this fall

596
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: hunting where the cameraman was scared of you. I guess

597
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: it's real. And so I'm like, I gotta move. I'm

598
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: like going numb, and I you know, I'm so long

599
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: story short. That bird came in. I was did great

600
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: and then and then, uh, I'm not an experienced turkey hunter,

601
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: so I probably should have just stood up and shot, right.

602
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: I think you could have just swung your gun at

603
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: that point and shot. Yeah, that was five ten yards

604
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: through brush, you know, because he was he was about

605
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: to step on us. He came right in. And then

606
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: if I remember right like we're waiting for him to

607
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: pop out from behind some brush and then he got

608
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: right on top of you. I probably would have stood

609
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: up in fall, and because my ass was none, because

610
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: I just was in so much tenderness saying you're Peter's

611
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: in so much tenderness on this turkey, so that that

612
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: bird ran walked right up to us, gobbling, and then

613
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: wasn't Coco Corey Corey was Chuck sniper. Wasn't he just

614
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: up the way? He was probably ds away? Yeah, he

615
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: was set up over there, and and then you turkey

616
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: finally put put it away once he kind of saw

617
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: something was going on. If you could imagine what he

618
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: was saying in his head, what do you think he

619
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: was saying? He was saying, what's he doing? Was Peter

620
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: doing is shooting? He never shoots anything shooting. Um, I

621
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: didn't work out. But then yeah, then so then we

622
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: will kind of do some fast forwarding here. We kind

623
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: of walked around. We had a couple of opportunities but

624
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't work out. Kind of we're running gun I guess

625
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: the technique. And then we spotted some in a different

626
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: field where we could actually shoot the field, but we

627
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: couldn't hunt the field, if that makes any sense. We

628
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: couldn't walk the property, but we could shoot the fence line.

629
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: According to the farmer we had and you were if

630
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: I recall, You're like, you're man, I want to eat breakfast.

631
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan said, I'm like, no, we can probably make

632
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: this happen. I don't. Yeah, yeah, he wants the waffle waffle.

633
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: That's true. I feed the tripot, That's what I keep saying. Anyways,

634
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: so I go, Mark, let's get this a shot. I go,

635
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: it looks like they feel kind of looks like the

636
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: train bends over there. They might be closer over there.

637
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: Than you are here. So we kind of let's just

638
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: say we went to fifty yards back from the fence

639
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: and cut through the ridge and then we we got tack. Man,

640
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: this can happen. So I started going down the hill

641
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: and um, I stood up on top of So what

642
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: was our plan? Let you kind of give the plan

643
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: that we kind of came up with at that point.

644
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: It was me and you and and Corey. I don't

645
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: remember what Cory did it. I'll tell you. I think

646
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: he just stayed up behind me, right he was he

647
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: was the wind beneath my wings. He was the wind

648
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: beneath your ring. He's courageing. And and I was back

649
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: on the hill calling. And you were going to try

650
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: to sneak down the hill, kind of crawl down the

651
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: hill and then try because of the way the ground,

652
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: that the slight hill in the brush, it looked like

653
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: you might be able to edge your way up to

654
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the edge of the field. There's a lot of crouchwalking

655
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: to begin with. And then and then it happened you

656
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: went prone. I went prone. And this is something specifically

657
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I'd like to do. If you recall the picture of

658
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: me being prone in that log. Yes, it's very very dramatic,

659
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: but I I don't recommend it for everybody. It's not

660
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: for everybody, but you should try to go prone once

661
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: in a while. So so, so I'm crawling on his belly.

662
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: I think it'll start because it was like a tree

663
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: down but it had a branch like this, so I

664
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: couldn't kind of duck through it. So I just started

665
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: crawling and I kept on crawling to the field edge

666
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: and all the while, yeah, I mean there was ten yards.

667
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: They're going like, I don't think this is gonna happen.

668
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: I go, it's got it. So I kept on crawling.

669
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't hear me. But you guys are

670
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: making a cackle up top? Were you at that point?

671
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: But that once you were pretty darn close. I think

672
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: we started trying to just get them to come start

673
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: moving our way a little bit because they're they're pretty

674
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: far out there, and we start. Once you finally got

675
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: into position, that's when we were really That was that

676
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: was intense. And the hen started yelping, and then I

677
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: would get here really piste off. I keep yelping really

678
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: grassively back at her, and she keep going and I

679
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: keep going, and then I just started going crazy. So

680
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: at this point I'm prone, just like you shooting a

681
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: rifle on the ground, and uh, I think I had

682
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: a red dot too, didn't I Anyway, I don't know.

683
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: I think it might have been Dusty's gun, but um, yeah,

684
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: I just this big turkeys ross hay soon when I say,

685
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: it's all fluffed out and yeah, sorry terminology, And it

686
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: was common and coming coming, and then all of a

687
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: sudden at the last second, and I probably could have

688
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: shown where he was, but I wanted a little bit

689
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: more because he was coming, why not let him go further?

690
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: Um because again, in reality, you guys are about twenty

691
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: yards higher than me, and so they were focused higher

692
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: than where I was. And then this jake just runs

693
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: right in front of him and right at me. So

694
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I just let him eat it. And that was. That

695
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: was my first turkey kill. So that was pretty exciting. Yeah. Yeah,

696
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: and Coco come running through there and he's like, yeah,

697
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: he's just screaming, and uh that was pretty cool. So

698
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: it was a good moment. Yeah, it was I I

699
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: look forward to doing that again this year. Yeah. That

700
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: was that was an absolute blast, and I feel like

701
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: it it kind of took the edge off something yeah,

702
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: in my, my, in, just in me. So we were

703
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: all proud of you. We're very proud. Yeah, genuinely excited,

704
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: proud and happy for you. I can still picture you

705
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: walking into that, um the trailer, that beautiful trailer, with

706
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: that jake on your Yeah, that was cool. I don't

707
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about the trailer though. Man, you didn't

708
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: really enjoy sleeping in there? Huh No, I feel like

709
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I hovered the whole time with my hands at my

710
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: side six inches off the bed because I didn't want

711
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: to just mice chewing on your ear loves sleeping big

712
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: zipped up so tight you could just barely see the

713
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: white of his eyes. Yeah, Penicillin's on the list of

714
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: my things to bring next year. So Turkey camp went, well,

715
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: yeah it was you're feeling, did you? I feel like

716
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: you like left that with some new confidence. Is that

717
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: fair siting? I would say so. Like I said, I

718
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: think last year, I'm not a big killer, but I

719
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: do everything about hunting. I grew up with hunting. My

720
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: father and brother they killed everything they saw and it

721
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: just wasn't who I was. But I have killed deer,

722
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: I've killed pheasant turkey now and uh who knows what's next.

723
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: So talk to us then about the tills in eighteen

724
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: deer season. So so we're going right back to Yeah,

725
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: we had some good intel from previous hunts. Last year,

726
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: I do a hunt mostly state land now, and UM,

727
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: i'd for taken river access on some of these spots

728
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: because it for the benefits of you just crossed the

729
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: river and you're you're up in your stand and um,

730
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: that's it, dear, don't know you're there. And this year

731
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: the river was so high. We did some testing during

732
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: like a Midsummer's day in September, and it was up

733
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: to our chest where normally it's at are just above

734
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: your knees or at your thigh, and it was just

735
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: too too risky. I thought, coming through there in the

736
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: middle of the in the morning, you know, dark, and

737
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: most likely you'll make it, but if you fall, that's

738
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: just a little dangerous. So decided to just take the

739
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: long way in and walk the whole property and sweep

740
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: down into this river bottom. And I ran a few

741
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: deer a few times, and I really think that just

742
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: educated the deer that something was going on out of

743
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: the normal. And uh, and I didn't see as many

744
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: deer as I had in the past. But I did

745
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: see a nice one, you know, a nice would be

746
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: eight or nine pointer, and and um, we did get

747
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: a quality deer on camera, and that was amazing to

748
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: see that on camera. So a quality deer. Uh, if

749
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: I said the word Don Higgins, is that give you

750
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: an idea really big buck? Yeah? I never really thought

751
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: i'd catch one of those on camera around here. So

752
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,959
Speaker 1: one photo and that well five photos in that little series,

753
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: but we never saw him again, so we're not sure

754
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: where he resides when he resides somewhere around that area.

755
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: So back to your um than encounter. You had an

756
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: encounter with a really big deer. Didn't didn't wasn't Wasn't

757
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: there a learning experience of that encounter. Yeah. So basically

758
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: we set up on which was seemed like a primary

759
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: scrape tree. Uh, we'd like to hunt this area around

760
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: the early twenties and all the way to November one.

761
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: It seems like it's best at that time unless the

762
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: year before I had to just two monsters go through

763
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: there and no opportunities. It was in the wrong spot,

764
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: and then we moved everything to the right spot. We

765
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: thought this year, Uh, the scrape wasn't as active as

766
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: it happened in the past, and and um, so we

767
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: just didn't get the quality or coming through. But I

768
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: learned this year there's still coming from the one spot.

769
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: So next year, if I can across that across that

770
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: river and maybe do a little bit more mobile set up,

771
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: I should be able to get a better chance at

772
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: one of these year because they're just doing the same thing.

773
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: So I was hoping they'd go to that scrape, but

774
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: like they did the year before, all, they didn't do

775
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: it this year. Uh, we didn't get a lot of

776
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: intel this year. We had a camera up in September

777
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: all the way to October and a rackoon knocked it over,

778
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: so we we don't know if that bigger deer would

779
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: have been there or what type of deer were there

780
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: this year compared to other years. So so that was distressing.

781
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: So so you had one one good encounter, couldn't get

782
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah, I was just fifty fifty sixty yards away,

783
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: so no shot there. I did move to then, so

784
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I didn't move kind of then from where they were

785
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: coming from. And one great morning I got one of

786
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: the one of the first doughs must went in the

787
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: heat around there, and I saw this dough was awesome.

788
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: She was running by herself, just crazy, and she's making

789
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: all these crazy zig zag patterns all the way down

790
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: this ridge and back up and down. Jumped out to

791
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: where I was, and at that time I was watching

792
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: a two and a half ye old buck. He started

793
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: chasing under the opposite direction. But five minutes later all

794
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: these bucks come running on her same trail and the

795
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: all zig zag up and down the hill. I did

796
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: have a good encounter there with maybe a good, good

797
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: four and a half year old deer. I don't know

798
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: how big it was really, maybe maybe one forties, pretty thick,

799
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: it seemed like not not huge, But um I didn't

800
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: obviously I didn't do a lot of trimming in this spot.

801
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Well you can't, but I was up in my window

802
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: was more forward where this came into my left, which

803
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: if you can imagine all these saplings growing to all

804
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: these little times times and trees. He was at ten yards,

805
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: just couldn't get a shot. Do you think there's anything

806
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: you would do, like anything you do differently coming into

807
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: this next year now after these close calls you had,

808
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: or the failed access via water. I think that the

809
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: water is the main access. Maybe do I get a kayak?

810
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, it just seems like a lot

811
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: of work just to do that, when in reality, if

812
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: I can just go down this this bank when I

813
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: was doing, uh, that seemed to work fine. It really

814
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: depends on the water. But if you had full blown waiters,

815
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: could you do? Oh? I did have full blown waters.

816
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: It was just kind of do you just ago? I

817
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: fell on the water when I was up to my

818
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: knees and I ruined my camera and everything, so I

819
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: just didn't It was pretty fast, and that water is

820
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: faster there. It turns up the underneath and it makes

821
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: it kind of a little treacherous. So a lot of rocks, yeah,

822
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: a lot of big rocks that you kind of I

823
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: just think that it's kind of a faster spot and

824
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: you get you follow those waiters. Maybe I'm being a

825
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: little wimpy, but I just figured i'd be easier just

826
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: to do it this way. So, yeah, I hear you

827
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: still feeling good about twenty Yeah, you know, I there

828
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: is a dream buck on that property, and I don't

829
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: really I really don't worry about it. I just for

830
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: me is let's get a nice one down let's find

831
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: a nice one. There's plenty of them there. Uh, something's

832
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: happened to this property. I'm not gonna go into detail,

833
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: but it makes it more makes it a little harder

834
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: for people to get to certain spots. So if you're

835
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: not willing to put in the walking. Uh. And it

836
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of slowed down some of the traffic foot traffic

837
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: this year, I noticed. And um, I think that did

838
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of good benefit as well. Yes,

839
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: it seems like a little honey hoole if you get

840
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: into it so well, then um ross, what about your

841
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: off season? Because we we talked to you back in

842
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: November after you killed that big old buck. Um. But

843
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: you know, I know that you're just like me in

844
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: that every year you're kind of overthinking everything, right right right,

845
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you probably think through everything and analyze

846
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: all the little things that went right or wrong last year.

847
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: And I think about you want tweak? Do you have

848
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: any big tweaks that you're planning for this off season?

849
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: You know where shed season is gonna be done in

850
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: a handful of weeks and then it's you know, either

851
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: food plots or tree stand prep or scouting or all

852
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: that what's what's on your to do list for this offseason?

853
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I think I think for next season, I'm gonna try

854
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: to move. I'm gonna try to find something. I guess

855
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: where I've been focusing. I haven't hit. There hasn't been

856
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: anything too big lately, so I think it might depending

857
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: on what the cameras show and stuff like that, I

858
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: might have to move a little bit and find something.

859
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I get a little bit more excited about. Um.

860
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: The quality of books just kind of down in that

861
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 1: area right now. So thinking about maybe trying some public

862
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: land again. Um, moving around and trying to find some books. Um.

863
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Other than that, though, still in shed mode. And then

864
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: Turkey Turkey mode. So you might hunt with Pete again.

865
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah we can know it again? Nice? Yeah would you really?

866
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: But yeah we did last We did once or twice

867
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, what's that like? Uh? To me, that's

868
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: what hunting is. I guess I enjoy the camaraderie part

869
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: of it. Um. We talked about me buying land. There's

870
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: some nice properties north me but I'm like, well, i'd

871
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: rather be next to Ross or somebody, you know, like

872
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: a buddy. Then we can kind of brainstorm together. You're

873
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: just five minutes apart, Timan's apart, and it just seems

874
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: more ideal. So, honey with Ross is always fun because

875
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: it just get the chat a little bit, or or

876
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: you just kind of you know, you've got two minds

877
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: out there versus just one. So Pete Ross, what would

878
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: you say? That's like, Oh no, it's it's a lot

879
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: of fun. I I miss it, Peter. Yeah, Ross says,

880
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: I walked too fast. That's the only thing. Yeah, Well,

881
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: if you get still sweat it up like that, you

882
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: gotta change all your clothes by the time you get

883
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: to stand. That's a problem. Yeah, you do. You practically run?

884
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: Does he really? Oh yeah? Is he loud? Is that

885
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: something we gotta work? He falls a lot? Yeah, I

886
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: do fall that ankles and knees. And we told the

887
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: story about the climbing tree stand yet I think so yeah, yeah,

888
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: yeah that was I tied up the bottom with twine

889
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 1: and it fell. Rather than help me, rather than help

890
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: me right away, he just took a picture. You're just dangling.

891
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: You thought you were just gonna bear hug the tree,

892
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: and well I kind of really have had to. I mean,

893
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: do you really think you could have? Yeah, I'm a survivalist.

894
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I hate to see me in bear country. Look at

895
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: these deer just running here. Yeah, we actually have a

896
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: bunch of deer running around in front of the vehicle

897
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: right now. Mockiness the irony. I was talking about hunting strategy.

898
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: While there's how many here are there? There was four

899
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: or five? Um, so you guys are hunting together when

900
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: you do that, Ross, do you usually like to have

901
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: Peter be the hunter? And well in this situation, you

902
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: guys aren't filming though anymore, so what would you just

903
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: hunt separately? Then? Right? Yeah, we could hunt separately, but

904
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: I didn't I take the cameraly yea yeah, yeah, just

905
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: try to get it. It was fun much anything contribute

906
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: one more time to you if we ever could or

907
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: sell it to thee I'm joking that really big one.

908
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that would be something? Maybe that's something

909
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: Ross and I could do as a gold this year.

910
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: Maybe we can you know, we kind of know where

911
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: it's probably living, but we don't know for sure. Maybe

912
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: we can do some scouting this, you know, spring or summer,

913
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: put sets and cameras in different spots. It would be

914
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: fun to try to track that deer down, you know. Um, Yeah,

915
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: it just all depends on where he's at. He's living

916
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: somewhere where we can get him. That would be unbelievable

917
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: if you guys kill that deer. Picture we got kind

918
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: of suggests that he was betted on public that day.

919
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time believing, just with all

920
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: the pressure that he stays there past mid October when

921
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: we got that picture. So I don't know. I wish

922
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: you guys had that camera still, right, or wish it

923
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: hadn't get knocked over right now? Yeah, yeah, we raccoon

924
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: knocked it over, so we don't know what we could

925
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: have saw. Yea, so good. We're traveling a couple of

926
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: hours to get to that public, are you. That was

927
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: a long drive. That's one of the problems with that.

928
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: It's it's like seems like it's in the middle of nowhere. Okay,

929
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, ross this season, you don't need a whole

930
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: lot of You don't need to do a whole lot

931
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: of different changes in Sally Peter. You've got some tweaks

932
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: you want to make. But this is gonna be a

933
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: year we all all all of our our group text buddies,

934
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: we're all convinced that when you do kill a buck

935
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: with your bow, it's probably gonna be like a one

936
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: eighty non typical giant. Um. So I'm quite certain that

937
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have some smashing success here soon. UM.

938
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: I want to tackle a couple quick listener questions before

939
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: we wrap up this little um BS type episode sorts,

940
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: Are you guys cool that all right? This is kind

941
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: of just an interesting scenario to consider. Um. Someone wrote

942
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: in says something along the lines of, you know, it's

943
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: not uncommon for guys to talk about seeing bucks that

944
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: have already shed their antlers before the season is over.

945
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: So in light of this, I can't up with an

946
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: interesting hunting scenario. Let's say you've been running your cameras

947
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: all year and you have shoot, I just exit out

948
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: of the thing. You've been running cameras all year, and

949
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: you've got a sure enough stud on camera, plus once

950
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: in a lifetime type buck. And for the sake of

951
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: the story, let's say that he's highly identifiable even without

952
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: his antlers. So let's say maybe there's a scar in

953
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: his face. So you've hunted this deer all year, and

954
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: one morning in January, you're walking to your stand and

955
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: you stumble upon some sheds and they are obviously from

956
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: this buck. You pick him up and you go get

957
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: in the tree stand and right after daylight here he comes.

958
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: He steps out right in front of you so you

959
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: can take him. What do you do? Do you kill

960
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: that deer even though he's dropped his antlers but you

961
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: have the antlers? Or do you not? I'd probably kill him.

962
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: You're choot him ross. I don't know what I think,

963
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: so I can just do you imagine the taxi dermist

964
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: could Yeah, I guess that's kind of what I'm thinking.

965
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: It's the same same deer. You got the antlers. I

966
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: don't know, Peter, Gosh, he's not going to shoot him.

967
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: Come on, we just talked about this for the last

968
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: cowny minutes. Don't shoot anything. I have actually the question.

969
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: I have actually thought about that from a standpoint. If

970
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: you're watching it eating, you want to come in and

971
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: it one drops right there like maybe with one horn,

972
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and you know you have the other one. I thought

973
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: you would. I would shoot if that's a buck you

974
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: want and you have the handler. I mean it's a

975
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: cool story too. Now what if he had one handler

976
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: dropped already but not the other. But you've got permission

977
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: on this farm. Nobody Let's say nobody else hunts this farm?

978
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: Do you You don't have antler in hand, though, you

979
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: don't have anil in hand, so you would have to

980
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: make you'd be betting that you could find the shed.

981
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shoot him, Let him go. I wouldn't shoot him. No,

982
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: what about this one when this is something you know

983
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: I had to deal with a couple of years ago.

984
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: What if you've got the same that you've been hunting

985
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: all this time and he busts off some significant portion

986
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: let's say half a main beam shooter, don't shoot? What

987
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: does he what does he look like? Let's just call

988
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: him a big main frame a pointer. Well, let's say

989
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: we'll do like the Holy Field Snare a couple of

990
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: years ago, big main frame ab excuse me, the bust

991
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: off his main beam? You know, pass the G three

992
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: in this private republic private And let's say, are you

993
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: if you've chased him for years and you've got close

994
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 1: many years. I think at that point it's more about

995
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: getting the deer than maybe the rack. Right, Yeah, maybe

996
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: at that point my shoot, especially if he's I'm not

997
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: going to really amount too much the next year. So

998
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: Steve asked me this question though he posed. He's like, well,

999
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: if it's not just about the antlers, if it's about

1000
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: the story, it's about the experience, the journey you've had

1001
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 1: with this deer. Why you shoot him if he lost

1002
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: his antlers completely or if he busted broth both main beams?

1003
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: So would you shoot this deer if you both excuse me,

1004
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: if you've been hunting for four years over and over

1005
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: all these encounters, but you can tell with the scarlet

1006
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: is him and he's busted both of his antlers off.

1007
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just got some spikes sticking up main beam

1008
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: sticking up now or something? Would you shoot him? See,

1009
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would say that I probably wouldn't, but

1010
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: wait till next year. But it kind of kills me

1011
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: to say that, because I part of me is like,

1012
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: why does that matter? Doesn't? But I think the way

1013
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: I thought about it, if I was gonna kill this

1014
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: deer that I've seen so many times and had experiences

1015
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: with so many different different times, I would want to

1016
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: have that dear be the way I know him. What

1017
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean, That's where I was going. If he's not

1018
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: the memory that you have, then you're shooting something. Maybe you're, well,

1019
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: this is a double edge, but maybe not, as you know,

1020
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: I was happy with him at that level or at

1021
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: that Yeah, in some weird there's there's something there that

1022
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: it's just you know, part of the thing is. And

1023
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: again it's obviously not all about antlers and rack and

1024
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: so at least not for me, um, I don't think

1025
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: for you guys either, But you know that is it's

1026
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a physical representation of that animal

1027
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: and that experience when you have that rack on the

1028
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: wall or the mount on the wall or whatever it

1029
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: might be. And every single time I walk into my

1030
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: various rooms where I have deer on the wall, I

1031
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: stopped and I look at them and I think about

1032
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: those memories and it all comes back. I absolutely love it.

1033
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: I love just sitting in my main room with all

1034
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: the mounts and just looking at each one of them,

1035
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: are taking my son to each one. I love being

1036
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 1: able to look back and see that and relive those moments.

1037
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: And it just wouldn't be the same if you don't

1038
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: see that same animal that you that you saw originally.

1039
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, although we did have a deer once ros

1040
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: remember twin towers m hm. He wasn't broken, but he

1041
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: just didn't develop nice. On one side was just these

1042
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: two twin towers the World Trade centers him off. One side.

1043
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: One was a little taller than the other. The other

1044
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: side was a beautiful guy. He would have been a

1045
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: one fifty one sixty class dear, let's just say one

1046
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: fifty for sure to the other side match. But he

1047
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: was unique and just beautiful on his own right. And

1048
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: he his he was just like two huge spikes on

1049
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: one side, and then the other side was just gorgeous.

1050
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: So I think it comes down to the eye of

1051
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: the beholder. Um. So speaking of in the eye of

1052
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: the beholder, Um, Peter, your one of my elder friends,

1053
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: and at the high end of your demograph, you are

1054
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: you could be his. Yeah, I could have been actually

1055
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: lived down by those guys. I might have tapped Mark

1056
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: on the head one day at the candy store I

1057
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: lived in ann Arbor slash to come see the head

1058
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: of the key be like, oh gosh, definitely one of

1059
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the worst things he could be doing. So you're like,

1060
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: you're suggesting that I did that. I didn't do that,

1061
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: but at one point I feels like I could have

1062
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: walked by Mark and said, hey, little boy, you you

1063
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: want some candy, You're going to run a podcast. Oh

1064
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: So this guy Um says he's forty two and he

1065
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: just started hunting this year. He's been intrigued with the

1066
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: sport for ages and after watching in this case, it

1067
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: was the Mediator TVO TV show he was talking about

1068
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: UM Washington show. Listening to the podcast, he thought, you know,

1069
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: screw it, I'm gonna try it out. So he went

1070
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: out and got all the stuff he needs to hunt, weapons, gear, etcetera.

1071
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: He's got a buddy who owns a thousand acres in

1072
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: Ohio and he's ready to hunt. His big questions. He's

1073
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: just wondering what are the top three things he needs

1074
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: to do or focus on to make two thousand nineteen

1075
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 1: a successful white tail hunting season. So this is obviously

1076
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: could be a very generic question. But I want us

1077
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: to think about for a forty two year old adult

1078
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: onset hunter. So for a new hunter, but who's who's

1079
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: an adult at that age at that point coming into this,

1080
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: what's one thing that we could each recommend for Jim

1081
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: shoot a dough first thing, explain why, UM, just to

1082
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: get some experience. So shooting just get some experience shooting

1083
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: at deer. Obviously practice and everything ahead of time, but

1084
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: but um, shooting a dough would be a great first step.

1085
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: Get some venicine, get some practice, don't worry about shooting

1086
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: a big box or any of that stuff. Just like

1087
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: you're talking to me, Well maybe I am, And what

1088
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: id you're listening? I think that I think sometimes listening

1089
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: to some of this stuff for reading things, it's all

1090
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: focused about on big box and people can get kind

1091
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: of um. They they think they that's what they have

1092
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: to experience, or that's what they have to to h

1093
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: or that's what's going to make a good hunt or

1094
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: a memorable hunt, and that's not the case anyway, in

1095
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: any in any case, So I would just focus on

1096
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: shooting a dough and and just learning about deer, watching

1097
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: deer and starting for um, you know, starting simple. Don't

1098
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: focus on all the yeah, find details because that will

1099
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: come once once you get some experience. Yeah, I think

1100
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: that's I think that's really good advice and kind of

1101
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: what I was thinking too. I do think that there's

1102
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: there's something about taking those baby steps, like one step

1103
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: of the ladder at a time. And I kind of

1104
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: made the same mistake. I wish I had um started

1105
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: shooting does earlier on because I wanted my first year

1106
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: to be a buck, and so I passed on many

1107
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: the year over the years to try to get that

1108
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: first book. And I think I would have grown a

1109
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: lot more as a hunter more quickly if I had,

1110
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, just gotten that monkey off the back. You know,

1111
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: I just say, shoot a dough or shoot a small buck,

1112
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: shoot the first book you see. Um, nobody cares how

1113
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: big the buck is. That everybody's gonna be happy for you.

1114
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: Nobody the only person that cares about what you shoot

1115
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: as yourself. Nobody cares if you shoot a big buck

1116
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: or a little book. It's just it's it's you know,

1117
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna remember what you shot. Nobody cares. So do

1118
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: it for you. Yeah, do it for you. Totally agree, Peter,

1119
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: you are the closest in age to this gentleman. Uh. Yeah.

1120
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: I would have to say, I heard a thousand acres

1121
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: and that can be very overwhelming. I think I had

1122
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: access to five acres one time, and I tried to

1123
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: hunt the whole damn thing. I would maybe section it off,

1124
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: do your scouting and figure out where you can hunt.

1125
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: Where you can't and then UM go about it that

1126
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: way that five acres I had to begin with, I

1127
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: was I was just jumping. I never really got consistent

1128
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: and everywhere. So those good Peter like that would be

1129
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: my eyes. I think section section it off a little bit,

1130
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: figure out the best few spots in that area, and

1131
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: then you know, go from there. Yeah, and I will

1132
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: add that we did a podcast last summer. I think

1133
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: it was all about UM beginners deer hunting or beginner

1134
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: deer hunting type information. It was called I think it's

1135
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: episode two sixty maybe UM or one sixty. Gosh, I

1136
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: should know this, UM only go well, we don't have

1137
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: service down here and do it. But if you were

1138
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: to google the wire, wire to Hunt, Beginner's Guide to

1139
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: Deer Hunting, UM, something along those lines that I think

1140
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: would be a good resource for you, Jim as well,

1141
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: because you know, there are a lot of new hunters

1142
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: that pop into the wire and podcast and sometimes I

1143
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: maybe don't do a good enough job of of helping

1144
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: those folks out because we do tend to go really

1145
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: deep into the weeds and things UM. And it's worth

1146
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: it's worth remembering that it is important for us all

1147
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: the you know, try to help out those new hunters too.

1148
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's the one piece of advice what

1149
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: you got here, which is sixteen Yeah, the size of

1150
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: that book we saw to sixteen Um, the size of

1151
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: the book we saw. Oh, I know what you're saying,

1152
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: that too much information. I already gave too much information.

1153
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: It's like Nevery's gonna track it down. Whatever. What I

1154
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: was trying to say was that that was our advice

1155
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: to Jim. I think my advice to the rest of

1156
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: our audience is just consider trying to be a mentor

1157
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: for a new hunter like Jim, or a young person

1158
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: who maybe wants to get into it. Um. That's a

1159
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: goal of mine this year to try to do a

1160
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: better job of that, and um, something maybe worth considering

1161
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: for all of us. I know, Yeah, would you consider

1162
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: yourself a mentor? Ross to Peter, because you guys kinda

1163
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: had a relationship like that early on. I'm pretty much,

1164
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: what do we do that first time? How did that go? Well?

1165
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 1: I showed I showed up in tree Bark Camo. This

1166
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: is about ninety seven. Yeah, very popular back then. Uh,

1167
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: because what are you doing? I don't I'm gonna find

1168
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: a trail and so on a rock because it was

1169
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: a lot of rocks around, and I just pretty much said,

1170
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: all right, see you later. And I saw it. I

1171
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: saw four or five deer. Maybe that's why we had

1172
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: the conversation. We had started this podcast later, you know,

1173
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: because he knew that I hunted, but I'm like, I

1174
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: never had a tree stand. He goes, Okay, We're gonna

1175
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: go to Dick's or wherever we went and cut some

1176
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: tree stands and climber and then it always started from there.

1177
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: So and all the adventures ensued. And here we are

1178
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: sitting in a truck treating catfish watching deer, and I

1179
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: think that is a good place for us to end

1180
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: this quick episode. But it was a good time, guys.

1181
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me along for the shed hunt. I

1182
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: get a kick out of every time I get to

1183
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: come out here, and whether it be deer hunting or

1184
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: shed hunting or just b s. And it's uh, like

1185
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: you said, Peter, I think that is a very wise

1186
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: subtle words. It is about the camaraderie. It is about

1187
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: the relationships and the people. And sometimes I'm guilty of

1188
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: getting so obsessed with the end goal of trying to

1189
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: kill a deer, I get really really into it obviously, Um,

1190
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: I sometimes lose track of just the same things. And uh,

1191
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: I think that something you've got very right is the

1192
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: fact that you prioritize that. And uh, thanks for being

1193
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: that role model for us, Uncle Peter. You're welcome. I

1194
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: love you. Well. There you go, folks, Thank you Peter,

1195
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 1: and don't be afraid to say that you're glad, glad

1196
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: you come down. It was it was a good time.

1197
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Next time you promised double digit sheds, that were aws,

1198
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little bit more skeptical. Number one

1199
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: tip for anybody is don't count your sheds before there. Yeah, exactly.

1200
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: It seems like bad luck. Yes, that's all right, next time, right,

1201
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, let's shut this down and that

1202
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: will do it for this episode of the Wired Hunt podcast.

1203
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: So I will just ask you, if you haven't yet,

1204
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: feel free to hit him over to iTunes and leave

1205
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: a rating or review of this podcast. If you want

1206
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: to follow along more about what I've got going on

1207
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: in the White tailed world, check out the wired Hunt

1208
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: Instagram account or Facebook page. And other than that, I

1209
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: would just say thank you, thanks for listening, thanks for

1210
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: tuning in. And spending your day here with us. Best

1211
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: of luck in the woods if you're scouting, maybe even

1212
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: starting a turkey hunt. I know that's gonna be kicking

1213
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: off for a lot of people. And until next time,

1214
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunk