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Speaker 1: Body Facts with Joseph Scott. Three years ago, I was

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Speaker 1: My kids at Jacksonville State University fill up my children

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Speaker 1: sometimes to the methodologies they are employed. And I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you something. Two years in a row, independent

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Speaker 1: of one another, my students selected the same case without

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Speaker 1: I needed to talk about on bodybacks and it's an

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Speaker 1: absolutely heartbreaking case. So today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the death the murder of Blake Chappelle. I'm Joseph Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan and this welcome to Crime Con twenty twenty four Nashville,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to our host here at Gaylord. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it, and thank you for all of our

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Speaker 1: fans that have turned out, Dave, all of our friends,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to call you guys friends as opposed to fans.

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Speaker 1: We get such great comments from you, all encouragement which

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Speaker 1: we need on a regular basis. And today, Dave, I

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Speaker 1: want to discuss a case that is actually not too

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Speaker 1: across the state lines over in a place called Coweda County.

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Speaker 1: And it might be a case that I think that

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Speaker 1: if we have if we have parents in this classroom,

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Speaker 2: This boy, I guess just play one on radio.

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Speaker 1: If we have parents, which I know that we do here,

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Speaker 1: the end of the month, and are we going to

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Speaker 1: today I want to talk about Blake Chappelle and his

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Speaker 1: life with his mama that he you know he'd been

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, this case has multi levels to it.

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Speaker 2: It's the murder of Blake Chappelle. It starts in twenty

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Speaker 2: this year. So we're talking a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: Police were serving search warrants on this case. When we

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Speaker 2: were prepping for crime con we saw this and went,

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Speaker 2: holy moly, good timing. Maybe we'll have something to add, which,

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Speaker 2: by the way, we'll get into in a minute. But

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Speaker 2: he was somewout Blake Chappelle and his mom, Melissa, and

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Speaker 2: they didn't have much money. To give you an idea,

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Speaker 2: Blake found it very important as a teen to help

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Speaker 2: kid who didn't complain about it. He went to a

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Speaker 2: when they get to school, hey, who's got one? And

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Speaker 2: what he did he marked him up. So he's picking

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you.

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Speaker 2: There aren't too many kids that think that way Blake did.

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Speaker 2: He's also one of those kids that everybody liked. Nobody

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Speaker 3: So we've got a kid.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, his mother, she couldn't have been

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Speaker 2: So we're already impoverished. My mom has a stroke. I'm

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Speaker 2: Chappelle was. When he's in tenth grade, he writes an

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Speaker 2: But he'd already grown The maturity in that essay was phenomenal,

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Speaker 3: Who did it. The police don't know who did it.

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Speaker 2: The only people they've ever even thought about, they haven't

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Speaker 2: So they got three persons of interest, They've cleared two

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Speaker 2: That's how unsolved this case is.

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Speaker 1: So we're coming into it cold in this sense, and

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Speaker 1: And you know, Blake is probably the kid that would

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Speaker 1: I think that it's important to understand as well, you know,

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Speaker 1: when Blake. Actually this whole thing starts, you know, like

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Speaker 2: It actually begins way before that and begins the story

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Speaker 3: And the reason it's so confusing is Blake.

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Speaker 2: Had a girlfriend that ran away from home in May.

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Speaker 2: This happened in October, and if you back up to May,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. And here's here's the rub, if you will.

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Speaker 1: This young lady got a Skuyler that he was involved with,

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Speaker 2: This is the guy you see on TV shows where

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Speaker 2: he's the only going to jail.

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Speaker 3: That's him.

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Speaker 1: He has the news coming on now, So yeah, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, what trailer park are they hiding in now?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Is this guy packing a gun?

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Speaker 2: And what he?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's why the girl ran away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you can imagine, Blake was not the

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Speaker 3: He was tried to nine.

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Speaker 1: She was trying to track He was trying to track

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Speaker 3: He did well.

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Speaker 2: They actually had been dating, but they had broken up

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Speaker 2: the heart of Blake. They're not even an item. Blake

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Speaker 3: He finds her.

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Speaker 2: He's trying to convince her to go back home, because

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Speaker 2: are looking for you, even if it is a bad stepfather.

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Speaker 2: Problem is stepdad and two of his buddies are also

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Speaker 2: looking for Skyler, and they find her and Blake. Because

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Speaker 2: Blake found her first, stepdad and two of his redneck

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Speaker 2: seeds to beat this sixteen year old kid, and I

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Speaker 2: said five nine one five, that's a very slight young man.

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Speaker 2: That's not a heavy eye. And this man beat him.

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Speaker 2: And then this stepfather filed charges against Blake. It was

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Speaker 2: custodial interference. This stepfather convinced the police that Blake convinced

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Speaker 2: the kid spent sixteen days in jail because he couldn't

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Speaker 3: The stepfather was never charged.

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Speaker 1: No, he wasn't. And if memory serves me correctly, he

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Speaker 1: had actually presented with a weapon. Oh yeah, at one point,

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Speaker 1: Tom he And if you can imagine this, you're just imagining.

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Speaker 1: I think back to that period of time in your life.

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Speaker 1: will throw you curveballs, want it And suddenly the big

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows this guy's history because it's coming

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Speaker 1: his shirt like this and he's demonstrating a weapon to Blake. Now,

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Speaker 1: Blake later relates all of this, but he's he's beat

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Speaker 1: He's beaten significantly by this man. And it was at

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Speaker 1: Dave had mentioned, and we have to go back to

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Speaker 1: the situation with Blake and his mother. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if any of you guys have ever experienced poverty in

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Speaker 1: I understand what it's like to live off of baloney sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: a sandwich where we have two pieces of bread nothing

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Speaker 1: wants to provide for her. He hears how. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if we're going to be able to make the

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Speaker 1: You can forget about internet, own your phone. You can't

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Speaker 1: And then it was a pay as you go text phone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, text only. Does the phone we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about in a few minutes, Yeah, it was text only.

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Speaker 1: It was text only. So they're scraping by. Can you

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Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like for to be a

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Speaker 1: and she has no way to really truly take care

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Speaker 1: But yet her son becomes almost like a surrogate husband

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Speaker 1: at that point in time where he's trying to provide,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the best way he can do this

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Speaker 1: you have a child like Blake Dave, that they want love,

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Speaker 1: they want adoration, so desperately they go around and they

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Speaker 1: I understand that, Yeah, I do too, And she's trying

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Speaker 2: So they okay, okay, wait a minute. Now it's become

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it is. Yeah, they have limos now

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Speaker 1: Mama was his limo? Yeah, that night and it was October.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, to make sure we're on the same page here.

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Speaker 3: Now we're in October.

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Speaker 2: He's in a new school, he's got a new group

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Speaker 3: And Ryan it's spelled r I o N. Why do

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Speaker 2: Oh, but I'm just thinking I wish I'd done that

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Speaker 2: went to this really nice Japanese steakhouse. Mom picked them

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Speaker 3: His mom, he's so close with her. He shares with

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Speaker 2: So they're done by about ten o'clock or so.

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Speaker 2: Now, already ahead of time, he was planning on going

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thank you mom, you know, and

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Speaker 1: But Austin did not go to the home con dance

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Speaker 2: It's important when you know everything else that comes next,

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Speaker 2: Well, first they walked to a convenience start to get

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Speaker 3: It's several miles too.

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Speaker 2: It is okay, after they went to the convenience store

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Speaker 3: In her bedroom, in her bedroom the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, there you go.

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Speaker 2: You're going to see an overweight, middle aged guy that

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Speaker 3: You're done and he knows me.

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Speaker 3: And that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Dumb or this shows you how smart sixteen year old

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's snuck in through her window. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: He dives.

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Speaker 2: He actually said, I'm sorry, I broke your rules. That's

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Speaker 1: No, I don't either. But you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: had run away and there's there's an undercurrent with that

437
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: relationship relative to her family situation.

438
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 3: He thinking about how important that was to him.

439
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: I didn't think about it though right now, that that's

440
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: why he was reaching out, because he wanted him end

441
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: that fence before it got totally torn down.

442
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're talking about a kid that just

443
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: has been introduced into this environment. It's new. He's trying

444
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: to make friends. He's been at the home, and can

445
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: you imagine going to the heights of joy of being

446
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: able to express this out on the dance floor to

447
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: enjoy your friends. You're laughing, you're carrying on, and you

448
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: make that one final decision where you're going to say,

449
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: you know what I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna I'm

450
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna push all in here and see what happens. See

451
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: what happens. Can I make it back to her house

452
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: and engage in whatever kind of activity they were engaging

453
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: at that moment, Tom.

454
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you do Nancy Grace's show

455
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 2: so often you have to act like you don't know

456
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 2: what they were really doing. No, they were. They were

457
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: telling stories, they were trading jokes. That's what they were doing.

458
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: Dave, talk to me in normal, normal people speak.

459
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: I'm just a.

460
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 1: So we're he's in this position and where he's literally

461
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: pleading to be in her life. He's made a friend,

462
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: he's made probably an intimate friend at this moment in time,

463
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: and that's the one thing in value, these friendships that

464
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: he has. But here's the problem. When he exits that house,

465
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: when he starts back on this journey, this trek to

466
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: his home, he's never seen again. A lot if you

467
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: are in a situation where you don't know where your

468
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: child is. And I think that all of us have

469
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: experienced this over the courses of our lives collectively. I

470
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: know where my son is. He's here on the front

471
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: row right now, but I don't have to worry about

472
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: him anymore because he's in a adult But those moments

473
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: in times reflect back, just for a second, when you

474
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: have children and you have this overwhelming fear that kind

475
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: of seeps into your soul, It kind of corkscrews into

476
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: your spine. We were thinking, oh my gosh, where's my child?

477
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Where's my child? And no matter how much you scream,

478
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: how much you plead, there's no bringing them back at

479
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: this point. And I think that most of the time,

480
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: and I think that this is the way the police

481
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: began to view this day, is that when you have

482
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old that admittedly has this kind of

483
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: unbalanced life, I won't necessarily say troubled. Now he's spent

484
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: time in jail. But that doesn't mean he's a bad kid.

485
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: And so, but for a mom trying to find her child,

486
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: I think that the authorities, and we know this for

487
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: a fact, they viewed this. They viewed his absence as

488
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: a runaway. And so you've got a sixteen year old

489
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: that And there are many of them you hear about

490
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: them here at crime con that are missing out there

491
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: that no one knows where they are, and everybody's searching

492
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: for them. But in this particular case, people, for the

493
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: longest period of time thought thought that Blake was actually

494
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: a runaway.

495
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: And I remember he left the house sometime around four

496
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: point thirty. You know, we've gone through this timeline of

497
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: when they got back home, when he left to go

498
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 2: back to Ryan's house, when dad or grandma caught them,

499
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 2: and when he left.

500
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: But what we do have is the text messages. You know,

501
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: he had the phone.

502
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: We mentioned it was a prepay text only plan at

503
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: the time, this twenty eleven, and he was texting Ryan

504
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: while he was after he had left. He texted the mom,

505
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: I'm really sorry I broke the rules texting Ryan. He

506
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 2: actually texts her between five and five thirty that morning

507
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: while he's walking and he tells her I've been stopped

508
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: by the popo around five o'clock, he says, a police. Now,

509
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: there are two different things serving that area. One is

510
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: the County Sheriff's Department Kwiedi County, and then there's the

511
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: police department that could also been stopped.

512
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: But nobody has a record of that.

513
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: Nobody. And that's one of the striking things about this

514
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: case is that why why would a sixteen year old

515
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: state that he had been stopped by the police at

516
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: that time of day. Why would they have a record

517
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: of that? But yet the police, I mean, who would

518
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: even begin to think that up unless it's just this

519
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: fanciful thing that he's talking to Ryan about to try

520
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: to I don't know, get sympathy or whatever the case

521
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: might be. But he did complain in that text about

522
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: being cold he's walking.

523
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: Think about it.

524
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: Now, we're talking in the middle of October in the South.

525
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it does get cold here and October fifteenth.

526
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, October fifteenth, Yeah, that's davy chilly.

527
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's not gonna be freezing.

528
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's not wearing well, we know that he

529
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: left his overcoat and jacket. We know the only thing

530
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: he wore when he went to Ryan's house, was this

531
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: long sleeve shirt. He left his other stuff at Austin's house.

532
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: So when we're kind of assuming here because we don't know,

533
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: we have to put together because we know that the

534
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: police and Sheriff's purnt don't have any record of an

535
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: officer coming into contact with any teenager that time, no

536
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: record of that anywhere. We just have the text messages

537
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: between Blake and Ryan.

538
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: And procedurally, what in case you're not aware of it

539
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: anytime and you see these only these procedural show well

540
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: procedural let's just say that it's cops or something like that,

541
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: where if a police officer pulls somebody over, and in

542
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: this case they're stopping a pedestrian, most of the time

543
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: they'll say, uh, you know, the police officer of the

544
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: traffic would go something like, yeah, headquarters be vized, I've

545
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: got a young white male. Uh, he's a pedestrian. I'm

546
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: going to step out and talk to him.

547
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: Because what if the guy pulls a gun and shoots him? Yeah,

548
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: and if he doesn't call it in, nobody knows, and.

549
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: There's a record of that most of the time. But

550
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, you can have these events where a police

551
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: officer might see somebody walking down the street. And just

552
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: keep in mind every time that you record that many

553
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: times deepending upon the department, you're going to have to

554
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: write a report. All right. So did a police officer

555
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: pull up adjacent to him and say, hey, son, why

556
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: are you out at this time? What are you doing

557
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: out here? Because it doesn't make sense, there's no one

558
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: around here, why are you here this sort of thing?

559
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: And of course there's no record of it. And that's

560
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: that's where you know, raw, I mean, that's where Blake

561
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: at this point in tom except for this interaction that

562
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: he had with Ryni, he kind of falls off of

563
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: the face of the planet. We don't know what's happened

564
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: to him.

565
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: Done at that moment, all contact with Blake ceases. And

566
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 2: by the way, from that moment on, nobody talked to him,

567
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: nobody saw him. There was no tax message, nothing after

568
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: five point thirty in the morning on that time, right

569
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: after you say he saw the police.

570
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this is October. We've gone into the

571
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: morning from October fifteenth, which the dance was on that night.

572
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Now we're into the morning of October sixteenth. He's not

573
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: seen so they put out a bolo for him.

574
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: Well, and it actually shows for the family, remember, yeah,

575
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: Because first it's like, yeah, they're checking because well, Brian,

576
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: we know we pushed him out of our house at

577
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: the you know, in before the sun was up. Did

578
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: he make it back d Austin's house. He didn't make

579
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: it back Dawston's house. So now Ryan and her parents

580
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: know that where's Blake. Now they don't call his mom

581
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: right away, And this is a little frustrating for me

582
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: as a parent. You don't know where my kid is

583
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: and he was in your house and you're telling me

584
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: at eleven thirty in the day. It took hours before

585
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: they notified Melissa that they didn't know where he was.

586
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, Ryan's dad went out hunting at eight

587
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: o'clock that morning. I don't know about you being in

588
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: the southeast. I'm talking to Joe about it. Men don't

589
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: go out hunting at eight in the morning. You go

590
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: out hunting at four in the morning. You don't leave

591
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: the house at eight in the morning. But that's what

592
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Ryan's dad did. He went hunting at eight in the morning.

593
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: He's already out there when they call him and say, hey,

594
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: we can't find Blake. You need come home. They still

595
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: haven't called Melissa. All the talking has been between Ryan,

596
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: her mom, Grandma, her dad, and Austin and that's all

597
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: we've got. Then they finally when they can't find him,

598
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: you know, they drive the route between the houses, can't

599
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: see him anywhere. Then they notify Melissa. She finds out

600
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: and immediately calls police. Hey, my son is missing. Go

601
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: find him, and to be honest with you. For the

602
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: next six weeks, seven weeks, eight weeks, they're not really

603
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: even looking for him. Oh, they did the basics right.

604
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: They checked the route that he went on. They might

605
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 2: have walked it, they drove. They didn't see anything. He

606
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: ran away because he had been involved with Skyler six

607
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: months earlier and she had run away and he was

608
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: with her, and oh, my goodness, he's probably just running

609
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: away from a bad situation.

610
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: That's how they played it. He was not a bad kid.

611
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: December rolls around, Yeah, December nineteenth throlls around, and you

612
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: have you have pedestrian traffic that's adjacent to this golf

613
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: course and to the driving range, and someone happens to

614
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: look down over this tiny little bridge that's in this

615
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of bucolic looking setting. The leaves are you know,

616
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: are changing. You know, in December you still have leaves

617
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: on the trees in this area of the country. It's

618
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: cool out. They look over look down in the creek

619
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: and there they spy something that doesn't quite fit with

620
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the scenery, if you will. And that's

621
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: where they found this young man's body, adjacent to the

622
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: shoreline of this little creek. It's hung in brush. He's

623
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: only wearing an undershirt and a pair of underwear, his pants,

624
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, his shorts, his shorts, and he's absent everything else.

625
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: There's no phone, there's no money, there's no idea, there

626
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing now at this point in time, no

627
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: shoes whatsoever. And this is a big question, I think

628
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: from a forensic standpoint when I begin to contemplate this

629
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: and kind of the actions that go hand in hand

630
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: with this, would you dump somebody right there? Or could

631
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: they narrow down the location where he was last seen?

632
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Is this part of the route? There's all kinds of

633
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: things that play into this, because you know, I've worked

634
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: cases over the years where people have just taken bodies

635
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: and thrown them into bodies of water. What do you

636
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: think the number one I'm asking this question truly, this

637
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: is not rhetorical. What do you think the number one

638
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: reason is that people like to take bodies and toss

639
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: them into water. They need back to get rid of evidence,

640
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: to get rid of evidence, and to make that trace

641
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: evidence or anything that's there disappear essentially. And I've contemplated

642
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: this about Blake's case, and I've really wondered had someone

643
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: taken him and driven him about, had someone you know,

644
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: attempted to terrify him or terrorize him, because you know,

645
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: when they finally got his body back to the State

646
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office, Blake had an intermediate gunshot woman to

647
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: the back of his head.

648
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: You say, intermediate, how far are we talking to him?

649
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, with an intermedia it's really we measure it in inches.

650
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: So when you begin to think about firearms and a

651
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of it, you can't. This is not a static number,

652
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: all right, So people will have very there. There's variability

653
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: here when someone is fired upon like this and they're

654
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: shot the you know, the project is not the only

655
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: thing coming out of the weapon. You guys have been

656
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: at crime com long enough to understand that you also

657
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: have what remains behind as far as unburnt powder, any

658
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of other debris that might be in the barrel

659
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: of the weapon, and so you're going to have this

660
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: deposition on the area that is being struck by the projectile,

661
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: and it will kind of rain in. It loses velocity

662
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,760
Speaker 1: really quickly. So if you're thinking about perhaps unburned powder

663
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: which leads to stipling, you've heard that term that it

664
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: surrounds the injury, it's not. It doesn't have the same

665
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: aerodynamic qualities as say, for instance, a projectile lead core projectile.

666
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: And you can do this at home. If you'll just

667
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: take a bit of baby powder and put it in

668
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: your hand like this and blow it, and it, particularly

669
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: in front of a mirror, you'll see it begin to

670
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: kind of rain down. You think, God, Morgan, that's kind

671
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: of simplistic. Well, it's science, and it's very simplistic. It's

672
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: we understand this. The aerodynamic qualities of this powder kind

673
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: of drift down. So you have to be close enough,

674
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: now get a hold of this concept. You have to

675
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: be close enough so that when that weapon is initiated,

676
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: it's going to imprint, imprint that unburned powder onto the

677
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: surface of the skin. Okay, so it'll be just underneath

678
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: you'll see these little flecks of powder that are there microscopically,

679
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: we can take them out. We can also take tissue

680
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: sections and take a look at this, and depended upon

681
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: how close it is, you'll have like within underneath the scalp,

682
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: you can actually see smoke that's there that's deposited. It'll

683
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: sometimes you'll have a greasy ring. Sometimes you'll have this

684
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: kind of staining that goes on. So dependent upon how

685
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: far away you are is going to dictate the amount

686
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: of this debris that winds upon the skin. So with

687
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: an intermediate round, you've got a projectile that's entering the

688
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: head and the rest of the breeze following away. But

689
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: there is essentially enough there to get an idea of

690
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: range of fire. That's why they're calling it an intermediate round. Now,

691
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: to this date, the police have not released the actual

692
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: caliber of the weapon that was used. I think one

693
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: of my big questions because they haven't released the autopsy

694
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: report on Blake's remains, is well, what type of caliber

695
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: was this? They're saying pistol caliber, so that can mean

696
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: anything from you know, a twenty two caliber pistol all

697
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: the way up to you know, there's fifty caliber pistol.

698
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: So you've got that broad of a spectrum here. Now,

699
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: if I were a betting man, I'd say, you know,

700
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: you're probably one of the most the most common caliber

701
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: relative to a semi automatic, it's going to be a

702
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: nine millimeter. That's what most most people are going to carry.

703
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: You'll have forty's if people still carry revolvers, you might

704
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: have a thirty eight. But that's a very common round

705
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: to have. So did they recover around out of Blake's skull?

706
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: They haven't stated. Is it a throw and through wound?

707
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: It was just one shot though, right.

708
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: It's a single shot.

709
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 3: Ain't that odd?

710
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Though?

711
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: That somebody that is shot and not right up against

712
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: the head. But you're talking a little distance away. Normally

713
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: we have multiple shots, even if it is to the head.

714
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: Just to make sure, you know, could you always talk

715
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: about the kill shot but not in this case.

716
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a proximity So shot in the head, yeah,

717
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: shot in the back of the head from what we understand.

718
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 1: And so you've got this And I always talk about

719
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: in relation to firearms, always talk about a symmetry. So

720
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: if you've got someone that is actually being killed. You

721
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: will have the perpetrator, and this is kind of obvious.

722
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: You have them in a dominant position over the victims,

723
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: so they're firing down many times. So you'll have these

724
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 1: trajectories that enter on the posterior aspect of the skull,

725
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: for instance, and they proceed, you know, forward, So you'll

726
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: have this kind of above to below, a front to back,

727
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: and then you can say whether or not it's from

728
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: left to right or from right to left directionality. But

729
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: why is that important? Well, it's important because it gives

730
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: you an insight into the intimacy of the relationship between

731
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: the victim in this case, Blake, and the perpetrator. So

732
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: who would have the ability to take this young man,

733
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: the sixteen year old, and put him into a position

734
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: where they are dominant over him with a weapon. We

735
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: already know he's had one weapon presented to him at

736
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: some point in time within the last few months in

737
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: his life. Okay, so there's probably an indwell in fear.

738
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I can speak

739
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: to myself. If somebody presents with a weapon in my

740
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: face or adjacent to me, there's a chance, you know,

741
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: a lot of us can be real bold and we

742
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: can say things, but when you're staring down the barrel

743
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: of a weapon, you're going to, at least to a

744
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: certain degree, you're going to submit. Okay, And you're talking

745
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: about sixteen year old kid. So what do you do.

746
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Do you take him and put him on the ground

747
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: and stand over him and fire into him. Do you

748
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: have him in the back seat of a car. Do

749
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: you go into the backseat of the car with him

750
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: and fire into him. Do you take him to some

751
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: other location, perhaps shoot him there, maybe leave a casing.

752
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: Maybe you're smart enough to recover the casing. Then you

753
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: put him into a vehicle and you transport him to

754
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: that location. Either way, I think that there is probably

755
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: we can surmise that there's probably a vehicle involved in this.

756
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: And what would be really interesting, and we're so far

757
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: down the road now, I don't know if it would

758
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: be possible to recover this, but any kind of biological

759
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: evidence or firearms evidence that you could find in a

760
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: suspected vehicle. But you know, we're I don't know, Dave,

761
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: We're many years down right.

762
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 2: Thirteen years, yeah, thirteen is October. I'm thinking is if

763
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: he's in the car. And well, first of all, time

764
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: of day. Okay, you're talking about controlling somebody that for

765
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: no reason. I mean again, talk five o'clock in the morning.

766
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Let's just use that as a as a time. Okay,

767
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: between five and five thirty am. Who knows he's walking

768
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: on the road at that time?

769
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Who would know that? This child?

770
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is it going to be alone?

771
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is going to be alone that there's not going

772
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: to be anybody else around him. He's already been in

773
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: a very distressing Can you just vision this for a moment.

774
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: You've got a kid, and I know I mentioned this earlier,

775
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: but just imagine he's at the height, he's at the

776
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: ultimate ecstasy in his life relative to this dance. Right,

777
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: we already know that he's he's reached out to Mama

778
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: and told her this best night of my life. And

779
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you know, he makes this

780
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: decision with this young lady, goes into a room. He's

781
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: horribly embarrassed. Of anybody in here ever been embarrassed like this?

782
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I have. You're in these circumstances, you're humiliated. Now you're

783
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: you're hoping that you can just hold on to some

784
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: semblance of this new life.

785
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: It kind of depends on the interrupted as to how

786
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: he really felt about it.

787
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: Any Yeah, I know exactly, and you don't know. I

788
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: can tell you a whole.

789
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: Little bit earlier than it's a little different than if

790
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: it's later.

791
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: Right, But either way, saying you've got you've got somebody

792
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: from an older generation that comes in into this room.

793
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: How embarrassing himse is I forgot about Granny? Yeah, there

794
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: you got?

795
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: And so you imagine that scream.

796
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: I know, and he's totally he's totally humiliated at this

797
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: point in time or relative to relative to what has

798
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: occurred in his life in this very short period of time.

799
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: And now he's cast out of the house. He's on

800
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: his own. He's reaching out to this young lady and

801
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: to her mother, and then he vanishes off the face

802
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: of the planet here. You know, there's all kinds of

803
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: rumors that have kind of floated around about about Blake's death.

804
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: And Dave, you laid this one on me real quick.

805
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: You had mentioned this. H there's actually this this blurb

806
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: that came out.

807
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: What was it?

808
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: I said that there's a podcast And this is why

809
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: you kind of have to be careful of what you

810
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: listen to there's a podcast who's claiming that the autopsy

811
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: report that the police said the body had only been

812
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: in the creek for a week. Now, If Blake's body

813
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: had only been in that creek for a week, where

814
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: was he for the seven weeks between the time he

815
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: was last heard from until the time they found him.

816
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: Now.

817
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this because I hit him up with

818
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: it this morning when we were just you know, you

819
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: want to get updated. I want to come in here

820
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: and not have the most current stuff for you guys.

821
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: And I saw that. He said, hey, have you seen

822
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: this anywhere? So I spent an hour today trying to

823
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: verify this. I'm talking about calling the police, calling the sheriff,

824
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: calling anybody I could of the GBI, and I can't

825
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: find anybody that'll verify They said, the autopsy report hasn't

826
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: been released, period. So whoever is claiming this and a

827
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: podcast is making it up so we can throw that

828
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: out the window. It doesn't make sense that because you

829
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: realize that if that's the case, then somebody had his

830
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: body stashed for seven weeks and then.

831
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: Decided to kill him.

832
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: I think most of us would believe that he was

833
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: probably killed the last night he made that last text.

834
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what we have learned is that his body

835
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: was actually beginning to change colors. And that's that's a

836
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: marker for us from a medical legal perspective. There's desiccation

837
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: even though he's just follow me here just for a second,

838
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: give me some rope. Even though he's in a water,

839
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: an aquatic environment, and he's not fully submerged.

840
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 3: He was floating, that's anyways, on the brush there in.

841
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: The brush he is. Oh and by the way, the

842
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: location where he is found is not a location that

843
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: you would walk down to the bank. And the reason

844
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: I know this is that the first group, the first

845
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: group of my students that presented this case two years ago, now,

846
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: they physically drove out there. They went to the site

847
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 1: my students did. And you can't access the water this way.

848
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: You would have to go through so much brush in

849
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: order to do so. That leaves us with one conclusion

850
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: right relative to the bridge, that more than likely there's

851
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a high probability that.

852
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: He was pushed Williams.

853
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, pushed pushed off the bridge, and he's there in

854
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: the water, and he is hung in the brush. His

855
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: body is in a state if if we are to

856
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: believe what has been reported that the body is decomposed

857
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: so badly. He had a lip ring that was right

858
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: here that he got into a lot of trouble over

859
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: with his mother, and additionally into that he had gotten

860
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: a Playboy Bunny tattoo.

861
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: It was one of the ways they identified him, and

862
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: he was really not happy about that.

863
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: And I think that it was an older brother that

864
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: was not in his life that had signed for it.

865
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: And so he's undressing at one moment, Tom and she's like, what.

866
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: What is that?

867
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Speaker 1: What is that on you? You know, and he's like, oh,

868
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, I went and got a tattoo. So that's

869
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: how they had to identify him. Okay, a chrome ring

870
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: in his lip and also the fact that he had

871
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: this tattoo on his person, and that's what they went with.

872
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: I think they bolstered that with with dental records later,

873
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: but it puts them on the right path at that

874
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: point in time relative to relative to who they thought

875
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: this might be. And there were you know, there were

876
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: posters about at this sort of thing and this sort

877
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: of thing, you know, relative to they were looking for him.

878
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: But here's the thing when he's found and going back

879
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: to the condition of the body. He's only found in

880
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: his underwear, and he has no personal belongings with him,

881
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: including shoes, which I think is is really something to

882
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: look at and cases that I've covered in the news

883
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: and also things that I have worked. We talk about

884
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: embarrassment just a little while ago. Is there any other

885
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: kind of situation? I know that there are many, but

886
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: where immediately you could really humiliate somebody and threaten them

887
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: by making them strip all of their clothes off because

888
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: you feel, you know, very vulnerable before the world, and

889
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: that that's an active event that has to take place.

890
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: Take your clothes off, take your shoes off. That's an

891
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: action event where you're having and you're essentially putting him

892
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: into submission at that point time. Now, I guess it,

893
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: and I could say, I could say they stripped the

894
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: clothes off the body, but why leave the underwear. So

895
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: when you see this young man humiliated like this and

896
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: his body is dumped off like refuse off of this

897
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: bridge and he's found floating out there in the water,

898
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: it really gives you insight into I think the person

899
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: that may have done this, And go ahead.

900
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: What if Dad caught him after Grandma caught him in

901
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: the bedroom with his sixteen year old daughter and dear

902
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: old dad. He's got his underwear on, he's able to

903
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: pull that up. He barely got his shirt on. He

904
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: doesn't have shit, nothing, and Dad loses it and takes

905
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: him off. He loads him up in the truck, dumps

906
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: him over the side of the river. He gets rid

907
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: of the clothes because he didn't have him on to

908
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: start with. He just finished up with my sixteen year

909
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: old daughter, you're dead. And then I'm going to stage

910
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: all this in case they decided to test me for Jess. Sorry,

911
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to go hunting at eight in the morning.

912
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: And that's certainly something that has to be and I

913
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: hope that that is something that's being factored into the investigation.

914
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: It passed a polygraph test, so did his wife, said Ryan,

915
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: and they searched their house.

916
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: No evidence of anything.

917
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: However, I have to say this to you. When my

918
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: kids chose to do this case, Dave was in this

919
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: past January. That's when this semester started, this previous semester.

920
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: Thank god it's over with now. When in January, when

921
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I had my kids go through the process of selecting

922
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: the cold case they were going to cover, they chose

923
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: Blake's case as we were walking and you kind of

924
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: gave a hint at this earlier as we were working

925
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: our way through this case. My kids were at the time.

926
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: They came to me and they said, Professor Morian, you're

927
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: not going to believe this. But they served search warrants

928
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: in a place called Sharpsburg, Georgia. And this was back

929
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: in March.

930
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 3: When we were talking about the newest evidence.

931
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this came out and if you can expand

932
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: on that.

933
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: Just twenty fourth they had There have been two things

934
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: that have happened since this case. Okay, two big things,

935
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 2: one in twenty eleven, so it has to be between

936
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: December nineteenth and the end of the year. Police have

937
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: said in twenty eleven they received an anonymous tip that

938
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: in an information about the murder, actually real information. Years later,

939
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: they received a second anonymous tip letter. They believe it

940
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: is from the same person, and I believe it is

941
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: the combination of these tips that have led them to

942
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: what they have done. In the most recent search. In March,

943
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 2: they searched three separate locations in Sharpsburg, Georgia, and it

944
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: wasn't in any of the places that you would think.

945
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: And Joe and I were looking at this, going, well,

946
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: wait a minute, do the same people live in those

947
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: homes in the places that were searched, that were there

948
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. If they're not, they're searching in the backyard.

949
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: So what would be buried in the backyard. What could

950
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: they recover back there? You know, how much effort does

951
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: it take to get rid of a young man's clothing

952
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: and also a phone? Not much. I mean, that could

953
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: have been burned up, It could have been disposed of

954
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: in any other number of ways. But why go to

955
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 1: that location and say that this does in fact have

956
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: something to do with the death of Blake.

957
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: But for the students did such an incredible job on this.

958
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: I have to tell you that for those of you

959
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: who have come to me and asked me about forensics,

960
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: to JAYSU the work. I had a chance to look

961
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: over this work that Joe sent me that they did.

962
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: I do it for a living, and I went to

963
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: school on the report they did. That's how good this was.

964
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: It was very thorough, it was professional, it was wonderful.

965
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, I'm hiring one of these guys now.

966
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: It was good.

967
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: Well, I'm very pleased, and I'm very proud of my

968
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: students for bringing this case to us. And I felt

969
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: that again, you know the fact that two years in

970
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: a row, I had still a group of students that

971
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: chose this particular case. And trust me, we've got a

972
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: lot of cold cases in Alabama. There's a lot of

973
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: cold cases in Georgia. But you know, this is not

974
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: too far away from our campus in Jacksonville, Alabama. And

975
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: to have this happen two years in a row, and

976
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: actually I have students that have The students from the

977
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: first group came to a few different conclusions than second groups,

978
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: so they weren't, you know, kind of feeding off of

979
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: one another. It really kind of gave me, I don't know,

980
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: it kind of gave me a chill, thinking this is

981
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: probably something that I need to explore with all of

982
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: our friends. There are fans of body bags, and certainly

983
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: everybody here at Crime com I'm Joseph Scott Moore, and

984
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: this is body bags.

985
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Speaker 2: Mhm.