Speaker 1: Hey, it's Stephanie back with a bonus episode. In episode six,
Speaker 1: we heard some of Laura's taped deposition. It was recorded
Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty four and it hasn't been
Speaker 1: made public before now, so we wanted to share some
Speaker 1: more of the jaw dropping moments from the deposition that
Speaker 1: didn't make it into the last episode.
Speaker 2: Here begins video number one in the video deposition of
Speaker 2: Laya Michelle Owens.
Speaker 1: I want to start at the very beginning because I
Speaker 1: think it's telling. Remember two years before this recording, Laura
Speaker 1: emailed a judge accusing Clayton's lawyer, Greg Woodnick of conspiring
Speaker 1: to have her raped. In the end, nothing came of
Speaker 1: that allegation, no police report, no investigation, nothing. When Wudnick
Speaker 1: sat down to tape Laura's deposition in Clayton's case, he
Speaker 1: was strikingly patient, thorough, and con He spends five minutes
Speaker 1: making sure she understands the deposition process and her rights.
Speaker 3: Laura, we're here for your deposition, and before I start
Speaker 3: in with questions, I want to make sure you understand
Speaker 3: the rules of depositions here in Arizona. I'm going to
Speaker 3: do my best to speak slowly so that our sweet
Speaker 3: court reporter can transcribe all the words I'm saying. If
Speaker 3: I go too fast, she'll probably correct me and slow
Speaker 3: me down. She'll do the same for you. I'll ask
Speaker 3: you a question, and I expect you to answer the question.
Speaker 3: I will do my best not to talk over you,
Speaker 3: and I would ask that you do the same to
Speaker 3: not talk over me. This is a deposition, which means
Speaker 3: it's my opportunity as counsel for mister Eckert to ask
Speaker 3: you questions, and you're under oath. It's like a judicial proceeding.
Speaker 3: You're expected to testify truthfully. I am not smart enough
Speaker 3: to ask tricky questions. I'm going to ask real, basic
Speaker 3: questions and ask for basic answers. We're going to be
Speaker 3: covering some sensitive material today, and none of the words
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be using bother me, but they
Speaker 3: may bother you. I will do my best to get
Speaker 3: through those questions quickly and efficiently. I will also take
Speaker 3: breaks along the way for bathroom and whatnot. There's a
Speaker 3: bathroom here, there's one upstairs. There are bagels and water
Speaker 3: if you need it, doesn't click you grabbed a water bottible.
Speaker 3: We can bring you on. I want you to be comfortable,
Speaker 3: let us know what you need. If you need a break,
Speaker 3: just let me know and we'll do a quick five
Speaker 3: minute break. We're scheduled for four hours. My hope is
Speaker 3: that we get done much quicker, but a lot of
Speaker 3: that will depend on our process today and how quickly
Speaker 3: this goes. I want to share with you that I'm
Speaker 3: going to be asking you questions that may involve the
Speaker 3: need for you to exercise your Fifth Amendment right. I
Speaker 3: put this on the record because you always have a
Speaker 3: right to not answer my question. I'm assuming your attorney
Speaker 3: told you about this. You could always say to a
Speaker 3: question that I'm asking you, I'm not answering that thiss
Speaker 3: on my Fifth Amendment right, however you want to word it.
Speaker 3: If that happens a lot during the deposition, you and
Speaker 3: I can come to a little routine where you go
Speaker 3: plead the fifth. I'll just move on to the next question.
Speaker 3: I assure you, and Corey will make sure I do this.
Speaker 3: I will not badger you about the question you plead
Speaker 3: the fifth too. I will move on to the next question.
Speaker 3: If you choose to plead the fifth, I just literally
Speaker 3: will finish my question. So I make a clear record
Speaker 3: and then I'll move on to the next issue. It
Speaker 3: is not a situation where I'm going to nag you
Speaker 3: about the question you did not answer. But you always
Speaker 3: have the right to plead the fifth and I will
Speaker 3: respect that, as I think the court will as well.
Speaker 3: Let's get into it, Laurik, you give me the full
Speaker 3: spelling of your name.
Speaker 4: Yes, I just had one question about the pleading the
Speaker 4: fifth because we had not discussed that before. I should
Speaker 4: know what the fifth means exactly.
Speaker 3: Yes, And actually I'm thanking you because you did exactly
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do. You asked a question, if
Speaker 3: you did because you didn't understand my comment, So I
Speaker 3: thank you for that. You have a right to not
Speaker 3: answer questions on the grounds that it may incriminate you
Speaker 3: in any legal proceeding, and Corey will correct me if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong. You don't have to answer questions. This is
Speaker 3: what people do when they're worried about criminal consequences for
Speaker 3: the answers to their questions. You don't have to. This
Speaker 3: is just a civil proceeding. But even if it were
Speaker 3: a criminal proceeding, the way the law works is you
Speaker 3: don't have to answer any question that's incriminating to you,
Speaker 3: so you can plead the fifth. There may be consequences
Speaker 3: a family court to deal with. Corey can explain that
Speaker 3: to you offline. But if I were to ask a
Speaker 3: question and you felt that the answer to that question
Speaker 3: could cause you criminal consequence, all you have to do,
Speaker 3: and Corey can confirm this is say greg or mister
Speaker 3: wood Nick, please call me Greg. I'm going to go
Speaker 3: ahead and plead the fifth. I will stop and I
Speaker 3: will move on to the next question. Does that answer
Speaker 3: your question? Okay?
Speaker 1: What Nick starts by asking some basic questions. They go
Speaker 1: through her revenue streams, her health history, and her medication list.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start off with some exhibits right now. Okay, Actually,
Speaker 3: before I do that, I got a couple more questions
Speaker 3: for you under oath. Is it your testimony that you
Speaker 3: have never been prescribed the drug novarel?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Is there another name for it?
Speaker 3: I'll give you some of the generic names. If you
Speaker 3: don't recognize the name, just say I don't recognize it.
Speaker 3: Have you been prescribed the drug novarel? Not that I
Speaker 3: recall ovid rel o v I d R E L.
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound familiar.
Speaker 3: Pregno p r e g n y L.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: Profascy p r o f A s. I.
Speaker 4: No, that's doesn't sound familiar.
Speaker 3: Clomaphene.
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound familiar.
Speaker 3: Clomid doesn't sound familiar, saraphene no.
Speaker 1: Wood Nick asks her about every little detail, and it
Speaker 1: becomes clear Laura has been a patient at a variety
Speaker 1: of major telehealth companies.
Speaker 4: I think it's called Tia, but I don't remember who.
Speaker 4: What her name is? T I A t I A, oh, yes, Tia.
Speaker 4: And it's it's kind of like one medical. I used
Speaker 4: a service called capsule.
Speaker 3: Is that a mail service for pharmacy? Kind of?
Speaker 4: It's like a delivery one.
Speaker 3: Who would prescribe that?
Speaker 4: That's prescribed by an online service?
Speaker 3: What's the name of the online service?
Speaker 4: Health piper. It's like a self pay service. It's uh,
Speaker 4: they don't accept insurance.
Speaker 3: Let me ask the question better. If you had stripped
Speaker 3: throat or yeah, who would you go see?
Speaker 4: I would probably see one medical Okay, who's your obgyn?
Speaker 4: I would say the doctor. I saw a mom doc?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to make real it'd be a
Speaker 3: real clear on this. We're here because of obviously, as
Speaker 3: you know, allegations that there's a some fraud in a
Speaker 3: pregnancy claim. The only obg y N that you're stating
Speaker 3: today under oath, and again you complete the fifth is
Speaker 3: the doc at mom Doc. The only OBGYN that I
Speaker 3: have seen in the past two years that I have seen.
Speaker 4: Yes, I had appointments with others that were canceled, and
Speaker 4: I was accepted into a high risk practice, but I
Speaker 4: canceled the appointments.
Speaker 3: And first I can be real clear on this. You
Speaker 3: understand what an obgyn is, correct?
Speaker 4: What is that an obstetrician orlogist.
Speaker 3: Or board both in the past twenty four months? What
Speaker 3: is the name of any obstetrician or gynecologist who you
Speaker 3: have had a medical proceeding or actual appointment with.
Speaker 4: The ones that I stated.
Speaker 3: No, So those are appointments he didn't go to. I
Speaker 3: want to talk about you actually went in and had
Speaker 3: a discussion with a doctor in a waiting room or
Speaker 3: in a patient room mom Doc. So, Mom Doc. So
Speaker 3: you've been inside the office at mom Doc. Yes, you've
Speaker 3: been inside the exam room at mom Doc. Yes, you've
Speaker 3: been alone with the doctor in mom Doc and maybe
Speaker 3: a nurse who would go in during acological check in
Speaker 3: whatever cour That is the only obstetrician or gynecologist for
Speaker 3: which you have been inside their practice office in the
Speaker 3: past twenty four months.
Speaker 4: I guess as well. I mean it was.
Speaker 3: A banner at the Urgent Care. Correct.
Speaker 1: That was the Urgent Care appointment where she took an
Speaker 1: in office pregnancy test that measured her hCG levels. As
Speaker 1: you know, that test came back positive. This is something
Speaker 1: we'll get into in a later episode, then, wouldn't it?
Speaker 1: Continued the deposition, moving on to Laura's history of lawsuits.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about litigation that you've been involved
Speaker 3: in historically. You had, and I'm just going through to
Speaker 3: make sure I've got them all. You were involved in
Speaker 3: a civil case, a personal injury case in California.
Speaker 4: Uh. Correct.
Speaker 3: You had an order of protection involving mister Gillespie correct. Correct,
Speaker 3: Protective order proceeding involving Clayton Eckerd correct, Correct, injunction against
Speaker 3: harassment related to Clayton Eckerd. Correct. There's the current paternity
Speaker 3: action which is pending before Judge Julie Matta correct.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 3: Any other litigation that I need to know about.
Speaker 4: Not that I can think of.
Speaker 3: Now well, you sued Dave Neil, the podcaster.
Speaker 4: I tried to get an injunction against for osmin. I
Speaker 4: didn't sue him.
Speaker 3: You also had a civil name change action that you
Speaker 3: filed in the middle of this case. Correct.
Speaker 1: In November twenty twenty three, Laura filed a petition to
Speaker 1: change her name.
Speaker 3: Have you ever gone by any other aliases?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: There was a legal proceeding in which you asked to
Speaker 3: change your name to a different name. Do you recall
Speaker 3: what that name.
Speaker 4: Was, Emily Wilson.
Speaker 3: Have you ever gone by the name Emily Wilson other
Speaker 3: than for purposes of filing the petition for name change?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Have you ever signed any document under the name Emily Wilson.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Laura wrote that she was being stalked and harassed online.
Speaker 1: She also said she has an order of protection against
Speaker 1: three men who were trying to locate her. But less
Speaker 1: than a month later, Laura withdrew this petition, stating that quote.
Speaker 1: A YouTube content creator named Dave Neil discovered my name
Speaker 1: change petition shortly after its filing and chose to share
Speaker 1: this information with his audience. This dissemination of my intended
Speaker 1: name change, as well as the reasons why I requested
Speaker 1: it have rendered the new name ineffective and therefore unusable
Speaker 1: due to the public exposure. She also asked for a
Speaker 1: refund of any fees associated with the name change process.
Speaker 1: The court denied that request in May of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Let go ahead and take a five minute fathom break
Speaker 2: right now, off the record at eight fifty seven am.
Speaker 1: After the break, when Nick turns to some exhibits.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to show you what's been marked as
Speaker 3: exhibit number one, and actually it should be rand from you.
Speaker 3: You acknowledge that those are the same ultrasound image. Yes,
Speaker 3: and they both have your name on it. Yes. And
Speaker 3: they both have your identifying information on them. Yes, and
Speaker 3: you're denying their yours. Yes. Okay. Let's go on to
Speaker 3: exhibit number three. Exhibit number three is an Honor Healthcare
Speaker 3: Scottsdale sonogram dated August eighth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: That's what it says, is.
Speaker 3: That your sonogram Exhibit three. No, so you're denying that.
Speaker 3: Exhibits one, two, and three are your medical records, correct? Okay.
Speaker 3: Exhibit number four, you acknowledge that you sent that message
Speaker 3: to Clayton Eckered on May seventeenth, twenty twenty three. Yes, okay,
Speaker 3: so that is actually you. Yes, okay, but the exhibits one,
Speaker 3: two and three were not you. Correct, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 3: to show you exhibit number five.
Speaker 1: It continued on like this for some time, with Laura
Speaker 1: picking and choose what were real messages she'd sent. Then,
Speaker 1: when Nick turned up the heat and asked about the
Speaker 1: doctor's appointments, Laura claimed she'd been to I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to be real clear. You testified under oath before
Speaker 3: Judge Gail Katsis on November two, twenty twenty three. Correct, correct,
Speaker 3: And everything you said to Judge Gail Katsis was truthful
Speaker 3: that I can recall. Okay, you told Judge Gail Ketsis
Speaker 3: that you had seen doctor McCool. I'm going to play
Speaker 3: it for you in a second. I'm just reminding you
Speaker 3: before I play it. You testified under oath with Judge
Speaker 3: Galkatsis that you were being treated by doctor McCool. Correct.
Speaker 4: Well, technically I was accepted into his practice. I was
Speaker 4: still so did his timeline.
Speaker 3: You didn't lie, you just misled.
Speaker 4: I I don't think the thoughts of well, I don't
Speaker 4: think that's a fair way to say it. I mean
Speaker 4: he accepts people based on whether or not he could
Speaker 4: be there for their delivery date, and I was still
Speaker 4: technically in a system with him.
Speaker 3: How do you know that you never met him?
Speaker 4: Because I had to speak extensive with his office in
Speaker 4: order to get accepted.
Speaker 3: What color hair does doctor mcooll have?
Speaker 4: He doesn't have hair as far as I know.
Speaker 3: Have you ever met him?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Has he ever touched you shaking your hand?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Sorry, but you told Judge Gail keatsis that you were
Speaker 3: being treated by doctor McCool correct or incorrect? Correct?
Speaker 4: I'm still in his patient portal. It says that I'm
Speaker 4: one of his patients. So it does still say that
Speaker 4: in the patient.
Speaker 1: Portal, wouldn't it wanted answers about the ultrasounds she'd sent Clayton.
Speaker 3: Your position is that the ultrasound from July correct says
Speaker 3: that you're pregnant with twins.
Speaker 4: Correct, Okay, and then it's confirmed by another provider.
Speaker 3: Hang on, we're getting there, okay, and show me in
Speaker 3: the labs where the fetuses were gendered.
Speaker 4: Well, I had to ask a provider online what they thought,
Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, they said they thought it looked
Speaker 4: like a boy and a girl. I don't understand. Again,
Speaker 4: it was the provider who who.
Speaker 3: Is the provider who told you that exhibit number nine
Speaker 3: was a male and female fetus.
Speaker 4: It was whatever service I got the pills from. I
Speaker 4: had provided them with the ultra sound image. I'm sure
Speaker 4: I have records.
Speaker 3: I need that. So how can you get that to me?
Speaker 4: I can. I will be able to find it. I can.
Speaker 4: I can find it. I will get it to you.
Speaker 3: I can ask a question, correct, did you to get
Speaker 3: the abortion pills? Yes, you had to provide information to
Speaker 3: the online abortion portal.
Speaker 4: It wasn't really a portal. It was like a texting service.
Speaker 3: Okay, what did you send them?
Speaker 4: I sent them like the test from Banner, and I
Speaker 4: sent them this and because I was wanting to know
Speaker 4: if I needed to take more if it was going
Speaker 4: to be twins.
Speaker 3: Okay for second, So let's talk about that, the image
Speaker 3: that you sent to that service. Okay, did you send
Speaker 3: it to him texts?
Speaker 4: As far as I recall, it could have been. It
Speaker 4: could have been uploading to something I'd go on. I
Speaker 4: looked at it.
Speaker 3: So we're going to get you have no problem sharing
Speaker 3: the name of that service.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: And the image that you sent to them. Was it
Speaker 3: the one that you altered or was it the original?
Speaker 4: Are you talking about the part that was altered at
Speaker 4: the top.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. You changed a medical record,
Speaker 3: and you're not a physician. Correct.
Speaker 4: I changed the top, but it was my image.
Speaker 3: Did you send this service the altered version of exhibit
Speaker 3: nine or the original version of Exhibit nine?
Speaker 4: I believe I just sent them. I don't know I
Speaker 4: sent them the ultrasound. I'm honestly not sure.
Speaker 1: Near the end of the deposition, Woodnick asks her about
Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment she said she'd been to in October,
Speaker 1: and Laura reveals this was another video appointment, not an
Speaker 1: in person exam.
Speaker 3: Wait, hang on for a second. October seventeen, twenty twenty
Speaker 3: three was a video appointment? Yes, okay, So when you
Speaker 3: say here, so this appointment says that she'sing that you're
Speaker 3: being treated for a traumatic brain injury epilepsy depression ADHD,
Speaker 3: and it says they discuss your meds during pregnancy. You're
Speaker 3: getting care with an epileptic clinic today. And it says
Speaker 3: you're currently twenty two weeks pregnant with a boy and girl. Correct, So,
Speaker 3: that was from yourself reporting through the video portal.
Speaker 4: Correct, that was Yes.
Speaker 3: So we can agree that Stephanie Chen did not examine
Speaker 3: you physically.
Speaker 4: Well, she saw me physically on a video. I think
Speaker 4: I was very noticeably pregnant. I mean, so.
Speaker 3: We can agree that she didn't examine you physically, and
Speaker 3: also she's a nurse. But she didn't examine you physically well, I.
Speaker 4: Mean she didn't know, but she saw what my stomach
Speaker 4: looked like.
Speaker 3: Right, And you understand that there's been allegations that you
Speaker 3: were wearing a prosthetic stomach.
Speaker 4: I'm aware of the allocation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we're going to talk about that in a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, they never do return to the allegations that Laura
Speaker 1: was wearing a prosthetic stomach. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the deposition, wouldn't it asks her this question?
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the word pseudocysis? What is it?
Speaker 4: I've seen it on on Reddit about thinking you're pregnant?
Speaker 3: Have you researched it at all, like WebMD that sort
Speaker 3: of thing?
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I just saw it on there because people
Speaker 4: have accused me of that when I have not a
Speaker 4: cool proof of each. So I'm not concerned.
Speaker 3: And that's all I got. I don't know anything today.
Speaker 2: Anything else.
Speaker 3: For the record.
Speaker 2: Before we close, this will mark the in of video
Speaker 2: number one. This deposition has concluded. We are off the
Speaker 2: record at eleven thirty four am.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and stay tuned for
Speaker 1: new episodes and bonus content on the Love Trapped feed.