1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Stephanie back with a bonus episode. In episode six, 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: we heard some of Laura's taped deposition. It was recorded 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty four and it hasn't been 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: made public before now, so we wanted to share some 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: more of the jaw dropping moments from the deposition that 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: didn't make it into the last episode. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Here begins video number one in the video deposition of 8 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 2: Laya Michelle Owens. 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: I want to start at the very beginning because I 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: think it's telling. Remember two years before this recording, Laura 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: emailed a judge accusing Clayton's lawyer, Greg Woodnick of conspiring 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: to have her raped. In the end, nothing came of 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: that allegation, no police report, no investigation, nothing. When Wudnick 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: sat down to tape Laura's deposition in Clayton's case, he 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: was strikingly patient, thorough, and con He spends five minutes 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 1: making sure she understands the deposition process and her rights. 17 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: Laura, we're here for your deposition, and before I start 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: in with questions, I want to make sure you understand 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: the rules of depositions here in Arizona. I'm going to 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: do my best to speak slowly so that our sweet 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: court reporter can transcribe all the words I'm saying. If 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: I go too fast, she'll probably correct me and slow 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: me down. She'll do the same for you. I'll ask 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: you a question, and I expect you to answer the question. 25 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: I will do my best not to talk over you, 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: and I would ask that you do the same to 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: not talk over me. This is a deposition, which means 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: it's my opportunity as counsel for mister Eckert to ask 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: you questions, and you're under oath. It's like a judicial proceeding. 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 3: You're expected to testify truthfully. I am not smart enough 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: to ask tricky questions. I'm going to ask real, basic 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: questions and ask for basic answers. We're going to be 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: covering some sensitive material today, and none of the words 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 3: that I'm going to be using bother me, but they 35 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: may bother you. I will do my best to get 36 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: through those questions quickly and efficiently. I will also take 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: breaks along the way for bathroom and whatnot. There's a 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 3: bathroom here, there's one upstairs. There are bagels and water 39 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 3: if you need it, doesn't click you grabbed a water bottible. 40 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: We can bring you on. I want you to be comfortable, 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: let us know what you need. If you need a break, 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 3: just let me know and we'll do a quick five 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: minute break. We're scheduled for four hours. My hope is 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: that we get done much quicker, but a lot of 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: that will depend on our process today and how quickly 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: this goes. I want to share with you that I'm 47 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: going to be asking you questions that may involve the 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 3: need for you to exercise your Fifth Amendment right. I 49 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: put this on the record because you always have a 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: right to not answer my question. I'm assuming your attorney 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: told you about this. You could always say to a 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: question that I'm asking you, I'm not answering that thiss 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: on my Fifth Amendment right, however you want to word it. 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: If that happens a lot during the deposition, you and 55 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: I can come to a little routine where you go 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 3: plead the fifth. I'll just move on to the next question. 57 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: I assure you, and Corey will make sure I do this. 58 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: I will not badger you about the question you plead 59 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: the fifth too. I will move on to the next question. 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: If you choose to plead the fifth, I just literally 61 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: will finish my question. So I make a clear record 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: and then I'll move on to the next issue. It 63 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: is not a situation where I'm going to nag you 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: about the question you did not answer. But you always 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 3: have the right to plead the fifth and I will 66 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 3: respect that, as I think the court will as well. 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: Let's get into it, Laurik, you give me the full 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: spelling of your name. 69 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: Yes, I just had one question about the pleading the 70 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: fifth because we had not discussed that before. I should 71 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: know what the fifth means exactly. 72 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: Yes, And actually I'm thanking you because you did exactly 73 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do. You asked a question, if 74 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: you did because you didn't understand my comment, So I 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: thank you for that. You have a right to not 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: answer questions on the grounds that it may incriminate you 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: in any legal proceeding, and Corey will correct me if 78 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: I'm wrong. You don't have to answer questions. This is 79 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: what people do when they're worried about criminal consequences for 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: the answers to their questions. You don't have to. This 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: is just a civil proceeding. But even if it were 82 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 3: a criminal proceeding, the way the law works is you 83 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: don't have to answer any question that's incriminating to you, 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: so you can plead the fifth. There may be consequences 85 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 3: a family court to deal with. Corey can explain that 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: to you offline. But if I were to ask a 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: question and you felt that the answer to that question 88 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: could cause you criminal consequence, all you have to do, 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: and Corey can confirm this is say greg or mister 90 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 3: wood Nick, please call me Greg. I'm going to go 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: ahead and plead the fifth. I will stop and I 92 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: will move on to the next question. Does that answer 93 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: your question? Okay? 94 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: What Nick starts by asking some basic questions. They go 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: through her revenue streams, her health history, and her medication list. 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: I'm going to start off with some exhibits right now. Okay, Actually, 97 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: before I do that, I got a couple more questions 98 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: for you under oath. Is it your testimony that you 99 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: have never been prescribed the drug novarel? 100 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. Is there another name for it? 101 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: I'll give you some of the generic names. If you 102 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 3: don't recognize the name, just say I don't recognize it. 103 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: Have you been prescribed the drug novarel? Not that I 104 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: recall ovid rel o v I d R E L. 105 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: That doesn't sound familiar. 106 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: Pregno p r e g n y L. 107 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: I don't know what that is. 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: Profascy p r o f A s. I. 109 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 4: No, that's doesn't sound familiar. 110 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: Clomaphene. 111 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: That doesn't sound familiar. 112 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: Clomid doesn't sound familiar, saraphene no. 113 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: Wood Nick asks her about every little detail, and it 114 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: becomes clear Laura has been a patient at a variety 115 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: of major telehealth companies. 116 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 4: I think it's called Tia, but I don't remember who. 117 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 4: What her name is? T I A t I A, oh, yes, Tia. 118 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: And it's it's kind of like one medical. I used 119 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 4: a service called capsule. 120 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: Is that a mail service for pharmacy? Kind of? 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 4: It's like a delivery one. 122 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: Who would prescribe that? 123 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: That's prescribed by an online service? 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: What's the name of the online service? 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: Health piper. It's like a self pay service. It's uh, 126 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: they don't accept insurance. 127 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: Let me ask the question better. If you had stripped 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: throat or yeah, who would you go see? 129 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: I would probably see one medical Okay, who's your obgyn? 130 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 4: I would say the doctor. I saw a mom doc? 131 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So I want to make real it'd be a 132 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: real clear on this. We're here because of obviously, as 133 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 3: you know, allegations that there's a some fraud in a 134 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: pregnancy claim. The only obg y N that you're stating 135 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 3: today under oath, and again you complete the fifth is 136 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: the doc at mom Doc. The only OBGYN that I 137 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: have seen in the past two years that I have seen. 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: Yes, I had appointments with others that were canceled, and 139 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 4: I was accepted into a high risk practice, but I 140 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: canceled the appointments. 141 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: And first I can be real clear on this. You 142 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: understand what an obgyn is, correct? 143 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: What is that an obstetrician orlogist. 144 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: Or board both in the past twenty four months? What 145 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: is the name of any obstetrician or gynecologist who you 146 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: have had a medical proceeding or actual appointment with. 147 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 4: The ones that I stated. 148 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: No, So those are appointments he didn't go to. I 149 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: want to talk about you actually went in and had 150 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: a discussion with a doctor in a waiting room or 151 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: in a patient room mom Doc. So, Mom Doc. So 152 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: you've been inside the office at mom Doc. Yes, you've 153 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: been inside the exam room at mom Doc. Yes, you've 154 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 3: been alone with the doctor in mom Doc and maybe 155 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 3: a nurse who would go in during acological check in 156 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: whatever cour That is the only obstetrician or gynecologist for 157 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 3: which you have been inside their practice office in the 158 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: past twenty four months. 159 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: I guess as well. I mean it was. 160 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: A banner at the Urgent Care. Correct. 161 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: That was the Urgent Care appointment where she took an 162 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: in office pregnancy test that measured her hCG levels. As 163 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, that test came back positive. This is something 164 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: we'll get into in a later episode, then, wouldn't it? 165 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: Continued the deposition, moving on to Laura's history of lawsuits. 166 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: I want to talk about litigation that you've been involved 167 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: in historically. You had, and I'm just going through to 168 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: make sure I've got them all. You were involved in 169 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: a civil case, a personal injury case in California. 170 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 4: Uh. Correct. 171 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 3: You had an order of protection involving mister Gillespie correct. Correct, 172 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: Protective order proceeding involving Clayton Eckerd correct, Correct, injunction against 173 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: harassment related to Clayton Eckerd. Correct. There's the current paternity 174 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: action which is pending before Judge Julie Matta correct. 175 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: Correct. 176 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 3: Any other litigation that I need to know about. 177 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 4: Not that I can think of. 178 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: Now well, you sued Dave Neil, the podcaster. 179 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: I tried to get an injunction against for osmin. I 180 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 4: didn't sue him. 181 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: You also had a civil name change action that you 182 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: filed in the middle of this case. Correct. 183 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: In November twenty twenty three, Laura filed a petition to 184 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: change her name. 185 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: Have you ever gone by any other aliases? 186 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: No? 187 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: There was a legal proceeding in which you asked to 188 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: change your name to a different name. Do you recall 189 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: what that name. 190 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: Was, Emily Wilson. 191 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: Have you ever gone by the name Emily Wilson other 192 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: than for purposes of filing the petition for name change? 193 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,359 Speaker 4: No? 194 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: Have you ever signed any document under the name Emily Wilson. 195 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 4: No. 196 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: Laura wrote that she was being stalked and harassed online. 197 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: She also said she has an order of protection against 198 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: three men who were trying to locate her. But less 199 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: than a month later, Laura withdrew this petition, stating that quote. 200 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: A YouTube content creator named Dave Neil discovered my name 201 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: change petition shortly after its filing and chose to share 202 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: this information with his audience. This dissemination of my intended 203 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,119 Speaker 1: name change, as well as the reasons why I requested 204 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: it have rendered the new name ineffective and therefore unusable 205 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: due to the public exposure. She also asked for a 206 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: refund of any fees associated with the name change process. 207 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: The court denied that request in May of twenty twenty four. 208 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: Let go ahead and take a five minute fathom break 209 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,479 Speaker 2: right now, off the record at eight fifty seven am. 210 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: After the break, when Nick turns to some exhibits. 211 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to show you what's been marked as 212 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: exhibit number one, and actually it should be rand from you. 213 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 3: You acknowledge that those are the same ultrasound image. Yes, 214 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: and they both have your name on it. Yes. And 215 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: they both have your identifying information on them. Yes, and 216 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: you're denying their yours. Yes. Okay. Let's go on to 217 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: exhibit number three. Exhibit number three is an Honor Healthcare 218 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: Scottsdale sonogram dated August eighth, twenty twenty one. 219 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: That's what it says, is. 220 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: That your sonogram Exhibit three. No, so you're denying that. 221 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: Exhibits one, two, and three are your medical records, correct? Okay. 222 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: Exhibit number four, you acknowledge that you sent that message 223 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: to Clayton Eckered on May seventeenth, twenty twenty three. Yes, okay, 224 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: so that is actually you. Yes, okay, but the exhibits one, 225 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: two and three were not you. Correct, Okay, I'm going 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: to show you exhibit number five. 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: It continued on like this for some time, with Laura 228 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: picking and choose what were real messages she'd sent. Then, 229 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: when Nick turned up the heat and asked about the 230 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: doctor's appointments, Laura claimed she'd been to I'm. 231 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: Going to be real clear. You testified under oath before 232 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 3: Judge Gail Katsis on November two, twenty twenty three. Correct, correct, 233 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: And everything you said to Judge Gail Katsis was truthful 234 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: that I can recall. Okay, you told Judge Gail Ketsis 235 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: that you had seen doctor McCool. I'm going to play 236 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: it for you in a second. I'm just reminding you 237 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: before I play it. You testified under oath with Judge 238 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: Galkatsis that you were being treated by doctor McCool. Correct. 239 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: Well, technically I was accepted into his practice. I was 240 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 4: still so did his timeline. 241 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 3: You didn't lie, you just misled. 242 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: I I don't think the thoughts of well, I don't 243 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 4: think that's a fair way to say it. I mean 244 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: he accepts people based on whether or not he could 245 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 4: be there for their delivery date, and I was still 246 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: technically in a system with him. 247 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 3: How do you know that you never met him? 248 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 4: Because I had to speak extensive with his office in 249 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 4: order to get accepted. 250 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: What color hair does doctor mcooll have? 251 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 4: He doesn't have hair as far as I know. 252 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: Have you ever met him? 253 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: No? 254 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 3: Has he ever touched you shaking your hand? 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 4: No? 256 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: Sorry, but you told Judge Gail keatsis that you were 257 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: being treated by doctor McCool correct or incorrect? Correct? 258 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 4: I'm still in his patient portal. It says that I'm 259 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: one of his patients. So it does still say that 260 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 4: in the patient. 261 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Portal, wouldn't it wanted answers about the ultrasounds she'd sent Clayton. 262 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 3: Your position is that the ultrasound from July correct says 263 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: that you're pregnant with twins. 264 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 4: Correct, Okay, and then it's confirmed by another provider. 265 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: Hang on, we're getting there, okay, and show me in 266 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: the labs where the fetuses were gendered. 267 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: Well, I had to ask a provider online what they thought, 268 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, they said they thought it looked 269 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: like a boy and a girl. I don't understand. Again, 270 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 4: it was the provider who who. 271 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 3: Is the provider who told you that exhibit number nine 272 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: was a male and female fetus. 273 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: It was whatever service I got the pills from. I 274 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: had provided them with the ultra sound image. I'm sure 275 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 4: I have records. 276 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: I need that. So how can you get that to me? 277 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 4: I can. I will be able to find it. I can. 278 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: I can find it. I will get it to you. 279 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: I can ask a question, correct, did you to get 280 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 3: the abortion pills? Yes, you had to provide information to 281 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: the online abortion portal. 282 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 4: It wasn't really a portal. It was like a texting service. 283 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 3: Okay, what did you send them? 284 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: I sent them like the test from Banner, and I 285 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: sent them this and because I was wanting to know 286 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: if I needed to take more if it was going 287 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: to be twins. 288 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: Okay for second, So let's talk about that, the image 289 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: that you sent to that service. Okay, did you send 290 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: it to him texts? 291 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 4: As far as I recall, it could have been. It 292 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: could have been uploading to something I'd go on. I 293 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: looked at it. 294 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: So we're going to get you have no problem sharing 295 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: the name of that service. 296 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: I don't. 297 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: And the image that you sent to them. Was it 298 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: the one that you altered or was it the original? 299 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: Are you talking about the part that was altered at 300 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: the top. 301 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. You changed a medical record, 302 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: and you're not a physician. Correct. 303 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 4: I changed the top, but it was my image. 304 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: Did you send this service the altered version of exhibit 305 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 3: nine or the original version of Exhibit nine? 306 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: I believe I just sent them. I don't know I 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: sent them the ultrasound. I'm honestly not sure. 308 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Near the end of the deposition, Woodnick asks her about 309 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,479 Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment she said she'd been to in October, 310 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: and Laura reveals this was another video appointment, not an 311 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: in person exam. 312 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: Wait, hang on for a second. October seventeen, twenty twenty 313 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: three was a video appointment? Yes, okay, So when you 314 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: say here, so this appointment says that she'sing that you're 315 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: being treated for a traumatic brain injury epilepsy depression ADHD, 316 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 3: and it says they discuss your meds during pregnancy. You're 317 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: getting care with an epileptic clinic today. And it says 318 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: you're currently twenty two weeks pregnant with a boy and girl. Correct, So, 319 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: that was from yourself reporting through the video portal. 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: Correct, that was Yes. 321 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: So we can agree that Stephanie Chen did not examine 322 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: you physically. 323 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 4: Well, she saw me physically on a video. I think 324 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 4: I was very noticeably pregnant. I mean, so. 325 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 3: We can agree that she didn't examine you physically, and 326 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: also she's a nurse. But she didn't examine you physically well, I. 327 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 4: Mean she didn't know, but she saw what my stomach 328 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 4: looked like. 329 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: Right, And you understand that there's been allegations that you 330 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: were wearing a prosthetic stomach. 331 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: I'm aware of the allocation. 332 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we're going to talk about that in a 333 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 3: little bit. 334 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: Yes, they never do return to the allegations that Laura 335 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: was wearing a prosthetic stomach. But at the end of 336 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: the deposition, wouldn't it asks her this question? 337 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the word pseudocysis? What is it? 338 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: I've seen it on on Reddit about thinking you're pregnant? 339 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: Have you researched it at all, like WebMD that sort 340 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 3: of thing? 341 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I just saw it on there because people 342 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 4: have accused me of that when I have not a 343 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 4: cool proof of each. So I'm not concerned. 344 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 3: And that's all I got. I don't know anything today. 345 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: Anything else. 346 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: For the record. 347 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: Before we close, this will mark the in of video 348 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: number one. This deposition has concluded. We are off the 349 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: record at eleven thirty four am. 350 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and stay tuned for 351 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: new episodes and bonus content on the Love Trapped feed.