1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Serious X Him Triumph 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: in the last our friends and relatives holding a prayer 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: service for a missing co ed Molly Tibbets. Tippets goes 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: out on an evening jog still daylight, we believe, and 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: has never seen again. Where is Molly? I Meancy Grace, 6 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: The search goes on from Molly Tibbitts as new evidence 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: and information comes in by the hour. Take a listen 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: to what her dad just said. I think someone went 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: to the house that Molly knew or that Molly trusted, 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: and she left with them willingly, and now they're in 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: over their head and they don't know what to do. 13 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Interesting that that is the theory her dad has come 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: up with. Um, what is leading him to this conclusion? 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: You know, that's what investigators do. They piece together all 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: the evidence and they come up with a theory. And 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: listen to me. Her father is saying these these theories 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: for a reason. This is based on what he has learned, 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: what he has been told, what he has observed, what 20 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: he knows of Molly. He's not just grasping this out 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: of thin air. Molly tib It's a gorgeous young girl 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: with her future in front of her, a daycare counselor 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: set to go on a field trip the following morning, 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: when everything goes dark with me Lee Egan, Crime Online 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologist, 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: joining us from Manhattan. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, death investigator, 27 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet and Professor Forensics at 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. Vincent Hill, cop turned private eye, and 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Alan Duke l A Jackie Howard in the studio here 30 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: with me as we bring you the latest to the 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: search for Molly. If you have a tip, if you 32 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: have a question or a theory, call us nine zero 33 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: nine four nine to Crime nine zero nine four nine 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: to seven four six three. Let's go straight to the lines. Alan, 35 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: give me the first caller. Nancy. We love your show, 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: we watch it all the time. We've been following the 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Molly Tippett's case very carefully, and you know, we just 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: had a few questions and I'm not sure if you've 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: already addressed them on maybe an episode we missed or 40 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: at the time we missed, but We're wondering have they 41 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: taken cadaver dogs down to the pig farm to see 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: if there's any sign that there had been live for 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: somebody there at one time. And I think they need 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: to be looking into this brother a little bit further. 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: I know he dropped her off, and then she may 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: have told him that she was going to go out 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: for a run and he may have waited for her. 48 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just a thought that we've been having. 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: We've been following the story very closely. My name is 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: Weslie Toms. Thanks Nancy, Leslie, and San Diego, thanks for calling. 51 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Let's address that right now. Leslie number one say dogs 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: were taken to the pig farm according to our sources. 53 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: Now were they cadaver dogs that I don't know, but 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: dogs were spotted near the farm. I cannot imagine to 55 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator, that they would 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: go out with just tracker dogs. I mean, there is 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 1: a very very critical difference between tracker dogs and cadaver dogs. Scott, Yeah, 58 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: there there is, Nancy, their trained for very specific jobs. Uh. 59 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: My thought is is that more than likely they have 60 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: taken cadaver dogs out. But as you can imagine, Uh, 61 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: that's something that they would not as of yet want 62 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: to release. Uh. They would want this to be seen 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: as an active investigation where they're looking for a person 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: that is still alive. Yeah, I mean that they're they're 65 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: trained differently, cadaver done have worked very closely with both 66 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: types of dogs, And I want to remind everybody this 67 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: is hard to believe, but in Hill, I know you'll 68 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: back me up about tracker dogs and cadaver dogs. Uh. 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: And when you think of like the Beverly Hillbillies, remember 70 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Blue the Bloodhounds sitting on the front porch. It's not 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: like that, people, That's not what it's like. But uh, 72 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, do you remember in the Scott Peterson case, 73 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: tracker dogs tracked Lacy peterson scent, not cadaver dogs. I'm 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's tracker dogs from her home all the 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: way to San Francisco Bay. Okay, that's forty five minutes away, 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and she was in some type of a vehicle. What 77 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: about that, Vincent. That's a fact. Yeah, that's a fact. 78 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Nancy and police use tracker dogs all the time. And 79 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: to Joseph's point, usually if they're using tracker dogs. It's 80 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: because they're looking for someone that's live. Cadaver dogs they 81 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: already know the outcome. They're looking forwardmains. Do you really 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: need cadaver dogs, especially like in a trash dump situation 83 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: where it's just she just cannot find cannot find the person. 84 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: The second part of Leslie's question, Leslie in San Diego, 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: don't feel bad about asking about the brother because in 86 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: this scenario, everybody's a suspect, and nobody is a suspect. 87 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: We are looking at every single person. They're saying, are 88 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: they not to leave? Egan Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Hey, 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: you know what, Lee, Remember here's the goal standard Mark 90 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: class of class kids. When his daughter Polly was taken, uh, 91 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: sex assaulted and murdered. He's like, take my d NA, 92 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: search my place, search my car, I'll take a lie 93 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: detector chest. I'll do whatever you want to get past me, 94 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: Get past me, go look for the person that took 95 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: my child. So I'm sure the brother has no problem 96 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: stepping up and going sure, I'll take a Polly, I'll 97 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: take a I'll give you a DNA, whatever you need. 98 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: But Leslie's right, Leslie, You're right in San Diego, because 99 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: everybody brother, sister, boyfriend, dad, mom, neighbor, pizza delivery boy. 100 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: It gets starts at the beginning and moves out. Everybody 101 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: is a suspect. Nobody is a suspect. They have to 102 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: rule out everybody. Am I right about that? Lee Egan? 103 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: You are correct, Nancy. They have They're not really saying, 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: but the brothers have been ruled out according to the community. 105 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: The very latest that we are hearing is the father 106 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: believes that someone Molly knew came into the hume. Let's 107 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: go through the evidence as we know it right now. 108 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Molly Tibbitts, a young co ed out for the summer, 109 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: about to restart school, goes missing on an evening run, 110 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: never seen again to Joe Scott Morgan in a nutshell. 111 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: Don't go death, come forward on me, Okay, just just 112 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: keep it in a nutshell. Tell me what the evidence 113 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: was at the scene that would lead the father to 114 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: believe somebody she knew came in and she went willingly 115 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: with them. Well, she's left everything behind, Nancy. Uh, you know, 116 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: there there's nothing there to indicate that there was forced 117 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: entry or ruggle. Uh, It's it's just simply she just 118 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of vanished out of the door. So he doesn't 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: think that she was taken against her will, at least 120 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: that's his his impression, and that she just wandered out. 121 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: And keep in mind this is this is a very 122 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: peaceful place where people keep their doors unlocked. It's you know, 123 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: they painted this. This idea of the place is like Maybury. Almost. 124 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: Guys were talking about the missing co ed Molly Tippets. 125 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what her boyfriend tells our friends 126 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: at w o A I t V Des Moines. This 127 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: is not like her. Donland Jack is living in a nightmare. 128 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: I figured, you know, and speak to her in an 129 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: hour or so, and right now it's one he can't 130 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: wake up from. I came home as soon as her 131 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: mom said that she called the hospital when she wasn't there. 132 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: The last time the twenty year old saw Molly was 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: on Wednesday at ten pm when he opened a snapchat 134 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: from her. It was just a selfie with the caption 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: and I remember what the caption said, but it looked 136 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: like she was inside. He never thought he wouldn't hear 137 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: from her again. When he said her early Thursday morning, 138 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: he didn't notice the message hadn't been read until her 139 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: friend called late that afternoon. One of her co workers 140 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: called me, said Molly had not called in to work 141 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: that day and she hadn't showed up. And then I 142 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: looked at the messages and she hadn't opened or read 143 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: any of them. So I started getting in contact with 144 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: her friends and her family, saying, hey, have you seen her? 145 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: Have you heard from her? And everybody came up with 146 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: the same thing. Now, I haven't seen her since yesterday, 147 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Dalton says. The three years that two have been together, 148 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: they've been in zepy sweet. I've never seen her be 149 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: angry or mean to anybody in the almost three years 150 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: that we've been dating. To not know where she is 151 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: unsettling and he's gone numb. If this is her running off, 152 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: this is just no coming. Nobody would have ever guessed 153 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: that she would just take off and not tell anybody. 154 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: It is just, you know, an emotional roller coaster. It's 155 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: a nightmare she's unable to wake up from. Laura Calderwood 156 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: can't look anywhere in her hometown of Brooklyn, Iowa without 157 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: seeing her daughter Molly's face on a missing person and post. 158 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: It's a reality check every time I see one of 159 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: those posters. Also, you know it's like she's gone. Twenty 160 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: year old Molly Tibbots vanished nearly two weeks ago. Her 161 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: mom immediately knew something bad must have happened. I knew 162 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: something was terribly wrong. She would not go to work. 163 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: My greatest fear is that we wouldn't find her UM, 164 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: But I can't go there right now. Calderwood says Molly 165 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: was seen out on a jog around seven thirty pm 166 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: on ju To the best of my knowledge, I believe 167 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: she did make it home from the run and Um 168 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: was in Dalton's home. The family says evidence shows Tibbots 169 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: was doing homework on her computer after her john that night. 170 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: That is Laura Calderwood, Molly Tibbitts mom speaking to our 171 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: friends at k C C I t V. Laura Calderwood 172 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: out sir ching for her daughter. The days dragging on 173 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: since the disappearance of Molly Tibbits. In the last hours 174 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: where you learn a pig farmer, a pig farmer whose 175 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: farm is about ten miles from where Molly was last seen, 176 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: has in fact taken a polygraph test over Molly's disappearance. 177 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: To Lea Egan investigative reporter with crime online dot Com. 178 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: The pig Farmer at first indicated he had not taken 179 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: up pollies. That right, that is correct. He told several 180 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: reporters that that authorities asked him to take a light detector, 181 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: and he said, I have no reason to have nothing 182 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: to hide, so I'm not taking it. And then he 183 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: just decided that he wanted to tell everyone he did 184 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: take it. That's very unusual to care in Stark, renowned 185 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: psychologist joining us out of New York. Why would he 186 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: first say it's a waste of time. Those were his 187 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: exact words, It's just a waste of time, I guess, 188 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: referring to the polygraph, indicating he did not take it, 189 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: then later says he did take it. Why would he 190 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: publicly deny taking it and then reverse Well, I don't know. 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: It's it's a sign that you really can't trust what 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: he has to say. I think he's really basking in 193 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: the attention and leading people astray deliberately because he's kind 194 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: of having sun playing games with all of this. I 195 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: don't know if it means he's guilty, but I think 196 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: he's having a good time getting all of this attention. Well, 197 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I would not be playing games 198 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: with the FEDS picking through my trash. I want to 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: look out the kitchen window. The FBI, now taking over 200 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: the case of Molly Tibbitt's disappearance, would not be playing games. 201 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's doing, or if 202 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: he was embarrassed he took a polygraph, or for some 203 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: reason I wanted to hide the fact that he had 204 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: taken a polygraph, which leads you to wonder did he 205 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: pass it or not? Why would he cover that up. 206 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Let's go to the lines. Joining me right now. Joe 207 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: in Florida. Hi Joe, what's your question theory? Hi Da Nancy. 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: I have a couple of comments about this sad case, 209 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: and one of them is, and it doesn't doesn't refer 210 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 1: to the victims problem, but the big culture in small 211 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: town America of leaving doors open baffles me, because what 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: are people trying to prove that they trust everyone? Uh, 213 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: you want to leave the door open if you're in 214 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: the bathroom and some stranger comes in and you're almost helpless. 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: That really bothers me that culture. And the other is 216 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: the fortitude and magnificent ability of the father to state 217 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: unequivocally his feeling that she's alive, and the way he 218 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: is able to talk with very little information. I think 219 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: his ability to communicate is as good as anyone I've 220 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: ever heard who has a lost one, a loved one 221 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: in trouble. You know, Joe, H and Flora to things 222 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: Number one. I agree with you about the father. You know, 223 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: if it were my dad, I would probably be a 224 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: puddle on the floor. He was so sentimental, Joe. Um, 225 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: this dad has so much strength. I think my dad 226 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: would rally and do what he had to do to 227 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: find me. I agree with you about the father, but 228 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: I do take issue in something you said, Joe about 229 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: small town America. I don't think that when people leave 230 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: their door unlock they're trying to prove anything to anybody. 231 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: I think that's just the way they were raised. Uh, 232 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: they've never been broken in on before. There's a low crime. 233 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: Crime is not a part of their life. They're not 234 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: conditioned to it. They're very trusting because they have no 235 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: reason not to be trusting. So to take a swipe 236 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: as at as you say, quote small town America, your 237 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: words not mine. Remember you're talking to someone from an 238 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: air you up where there was nothing as far as 239 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: I could see, but soybean fields and tall pine trees. Now, 240 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: as I recall, however, we did grow up locking the door. 241 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: But that that smells faintly a victim blaming. And I 242 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: don't like that. Joe in Florida. And I'll tell you 243 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: why you could say that about any woman. Why was 244 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: she jogging? It's her fault. Why did she have on 245 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: a jogging bra, that's her fault. Why was this girl here? 246 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Why was that girl there? Why was her shirt? How 247 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: was her skirts so short? Why was this guy driving 248 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: fifty miles instead of forty five? I mean, it could 249 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: go on forever and ever and ever. Uh you know, 250 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: just recently, uh a shooting. A guy was mugged and 251 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: the purp took his wallet, and the guy says, well, Ken, 252 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: you at least give me my my driver's license so 253 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: I can catch a plane home from this wedding tomorrow morning. 254 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: So the perp shoots him and kills him. So is 255 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: that his faulty asked for his I D I mean 256 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: that could be argued, right, So you saying, Joe, and 257 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a chance to defend yourself. What's 258 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: a small town America. What are they What are they 259 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: trying to prove? I don't think they're trying to prove anything. 260 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: Joe and Florida. Okay, maybe wait a minute, Wait a minute. 261 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: When you just say okay, that really takes the wind 262 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: out of my sales, because then I can't fight with 263 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: you anymore. Okay when you agree with me, I'm not 264 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: used to that. Well, I have something else to say 265 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: about it. Uh. Far far from blaming the victim for 266 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: something like that. Uh, it's just one of those things 267 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: that uh seems to be hopefully not but could be 268 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: at the root of how she disappeared. I believe my 269 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: belief is in knowing some facts that she returned to 270 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: her apartment, their apartment, I should say, and she was 271 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: adapted from there. And that's my belief and I believe that. 272 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: But why that's exactly what the father is saying. Well, 273 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: but that's my belief. Two. In other words, knowing somewhat 274 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: about the faction the case. Hold on just a moment, Joe. Joe, listen, 275 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: when I say why I need evidence, I have beliefs too, 276 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: But when you go to court, you have to have 277 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: evidence to back it up. You just can't come up 278 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: with a theory. Maybe she was waiting on the Great 279 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: Pumpkin to land and it took her off with it 280 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: to the pumpkin patch. You've got to have more than 281 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: a theory. But actually there is evidence to support your theory, 282 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Joe if Florida, and that evidence is there was no 283 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: sign of any struggle. Nothing was taken from the home. 284 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: The dogs were still locked up in the basement. Now 285 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: that's what's leading a lot of people to believe she 286 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: was taken while she was out jogging, because when she 287 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: would go jogging, she would lock the dogs in the 288 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: basement and then let them out when she got back. 289 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: It's my understanding, league and investigative reporter that she actually 290 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: slept with the dogs sometimes. The only time the dogs 291 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: were not in the basement is I mean, I'm sorry. 292 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: The only times the dogs were in the basement is 293 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: when she was leaving. If she was there, the dogs 294 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: were out. If she sleeping, the dogs were with her. 295 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: According to her boyfriend, who said that the dogs pretty 296 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: much did what they wanted to throughout the house unless 297 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: somebody left. So that, yeah, that is correct. See, that's 298 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: what we call a clue. Back to the pig farmer. 299 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: The pig farmer actually taking a polygraph test over Molly 300 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: Tibbott's disappearance as the missing students. Boyfriend brother, who also 301 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: lived in the home, says no signs of struggle in 302 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: the home from where she vanished. This pig farmer takes 303 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: the polygraph says he does not know the results. At first, 304 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: fifty year old farmer refused the test, claiming it was stupid. 305 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: He was in question three times over Molly's disappearance. He 306 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: fell under scrutiny after a red shirt similar to the 307 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: one owned by Molly was found near his home. The 308 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 1: red shirt, I keep going back to it was significant 309 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: because why Lee egan. The red shirt is significant because 310 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: that is the shirt that Molly wars to her job 311 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: at a daycare center. She had three shirts. From what 312 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: we're being told, two shirts were accounted for and one 313 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: shirt was never found. That goes to the theory that 314 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: she was supposed to wear the shirt the following morning 315 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: because the children at daycare were going on a field trip, 316 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: the councilors wearing red shirts to be easily identifiable by 317 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: the children. Did she wake up the next morning, put 318 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: on the shirt and was then abducted another theory. But 319 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: before you make up your mind, take a listen to 320 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: what Molly's dad, robbed Tibbitts tells our friends at Fox News. 321 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: This is Sandra Smith. Robin was the last time you 322 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: talked to Molly. I talked to Molly Sunday for about 323 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: three hours. We talked regularly on the phone. I live 324 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: in California, Um. She was out earlier this year from 325 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: my wedding, and so we just talked about She's going 326 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: to the Dominican Republic for a wedding her boyfriend's brother. 327 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: She's getting back to school books, she's reading just the 328 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: usual stuff. She was wearing a fitbit when she was running. 329 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: Authorities have at least told us that much. What can 330 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: you tell us tonight about how that's helping them track 331 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: down her whereabouts and where she might have been last 332 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't know the authorities, as you said, our circumspect 333 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: with all of the information, and so they're not sharing 334 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: that sort of information with us. As well a lot 335 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: of questions about what state the house she was staying 336 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: in her boyfriend's house while he was off on this 337 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: um construction job and she was there dog sitting is 338 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: as much as we've been told. Something that has not 339 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: been mentioned much. Were the were the dogs there? Have 340 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: the dogs been found? Were they at home when authorities 341 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: arrived at the house. Yeah, the dogs are at the house. 342 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: I was just there yesterday and their in perfect condition. 343 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: Interesting And so now they're waiting for new evidence that 344 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: they may have new evidence in their possession. But are 345 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: they sharing that with you, Rob, No, they're not, and 346 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: for obvious reasons, the last thing the authorities want to 347 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: do is sharing probation that would give an advantage to 348 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: anybody who would need to use that. Right now, the 349 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: last we heard before the latest developments was that the 350 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 1: last she was seen or heard of was on that run. 351 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: And now the new developments today is that the last 352 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: she would have been seen was this photo she took 353 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: snapchat to her boyfriend and it looked like she was indoors. 354 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Would it be like Molly to be working on her 355 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: computer and doing homework late into the evening like they 356 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: believed she was now, it wouldn't be unusual. When she 357 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: was staying with us in California, UM, she was on 358 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: the computer quite a bit. She was taking online courses, 359 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: so that wouldn't be unusual but none of the timeline 360 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: has been confirmed by the authorities, at least not to 361 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: our knowledge. Um and so a lot of this is 362 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: now conjecture and speculation that we just can't confirm. I'm 363 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: the one that three red flags that she was missing. 364 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: She hadn't called in, and I looked to my phone. 365 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: I noticed that I had texted her goodeningning and she 366 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: hadn't opened it. So I got ahold of all her friends. 367 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: And you're hearing the sound of Molly Tibbits boyfriend as 368 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: he is speaking out, speaking out regarding the last time 369 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: he saw heard from Molly at this hour, cops need 370 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: your help. The tip line eight hundred four or five 371 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: to one one one one, Where is Molly? Eight hundred 372 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: four or five to one one one one. As each 373 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: day passes, the hope of bringing Molly home alive dwindles. 374 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author and death investigator, 375 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, why is that? Why is it that as 376 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: each day passes, the hope of bringing her home gets 377 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: slimmer and slimmer. As we move forward in Tom Nancy, 378 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: that that little light gets dimmer and dimmer. We're three 379 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: weeks down range now and so as as that goes by, 380 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: we're losing evidence. Memories are fading. Uh, you know, and 381 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: and so and also whoever is responsible, there is a 382 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: specific person responsible for this. Uh, they're getting more and 383 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: more distance away from from the police and uh and 384 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: that's that's a scary proposition. Man, straight out to the lines, 385 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: joining me right now out of Batton Rage. Heather Harris, Hello, 386 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: my Cajun friend. What's your question? Um? My question is 387 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: I've heard some conflicting reports as to whether there were 388 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: actually pigs on the pig farm that they have gone 389 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: back and forth too. And I did read it over 390 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: the weekend. The pig farmer did go ahead and take 391 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 1: the lie detector tests, But have they confirmed whether they 392 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: were actually pigs on his property or not? Because my 393 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: biggest fear was that her potential remains were fed to 394 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: the pigs. As awful as it sounds, Okay, guys, Heather 395 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: Harris calling from Baton Rage. Heather, A lot of people 396 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: would say that's a really far out question. The reality 397 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: is we have heard of many, not just one, but 398 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: many cases where victims were actually fed to pigs to eat. 399 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. We have nothing to 400 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: suggest that happened here. But to Lea Egan, Crime online 401 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, let's take a look at Heather's question, 402 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: what do we know about the actual farm? Were there 403 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: pigs on the farm according to the community, no, but 404 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: authorities have not confirmed or denied that. All we have 405 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: to go by is what the people around the area 406 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: are saying, and they're saying that there have not been 407 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: pigs on that farm for a while. Issues more like 408 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: a processing center. So saying pig farmer, I I agree 409 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: with Heather in baton rage. I just assume when you 410 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: say pig farmer that there are pigs on the farm. 411 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: But there's not. That's what you're telling me, Lee Egan, 412 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: That's what the community says. And Shaney also said he 413 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: sold that farm years ago, so he hasn't been an 414 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 1: actual pig farmer in a while. Well, is he still 415 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: living there? He does still lived there, and he does 416 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: still on land, but he's not a pig farmer, so 417 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: that could be. It could be possible he sold the pill, 418 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: but it still answers Heather's question that there were not 419 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: pigs there to destroy the evidence. Do I still have 420 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: Heather with me right now? I am, yes, ma'am Heather. 421 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? It just seems 422 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: really strange that they've been over there to talk to 423 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: him so many times. I just I I listened to 424 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morrigan talked the other day the last time 425 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: you were talking about Miss Molly Pivots, and even he 426 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: said that he just doesn't feel and I feel the 427 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: same way that I feel like the authorities wouldn't waste 428 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: so much time going back there talking to him over 429 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: and over against there wasn't a reason. Yeah, I agree 430 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: with you on that, Heather Harris. It could be something 431 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: as simple as he's holding something back, something unrelated to 432 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: this case, and they know he's holding back, so they 433 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: keep circling back. They may need more questions answered that 434 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: he's uh fusing to answer. They may come up with 435 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: other questions. It could be anything, but it's not a 436 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: good sign when the FED circle back and back and 437 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: back to you. You're right, your intuition is correct. And 438 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York psychologist, when Heather says she's got 439 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: a feeling that something's not right, please keep going back. 440 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: You know, people say it's just a hunch and discount 441 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: their feelings. But I've long said, Karen Stark and you 442 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: and I've discussed this on TV many times. Hunches are 443 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 1: the result of thousands of years of evolution of the 444 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: human It's things that you noticed that you may not 445 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: even know you noticed. It could be nonverbal, uh communication 446 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: from a perpetrator, something you noticed subconsciously, something instinctive. But 447 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: hunches are for real Karen Stark, Yes, and they need 448 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: to be paid attention, to Nancy, because they are based 449 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: on your own uncond just on the thing, just like 450 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: you said, and acute sensitivity to the fact that you're 451 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: picking up on something even if you're not aware of 452 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: where it's coming from. And the fact that they kept 453 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: going back to this guy, as I mentioned before, I 454 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: think part of it is he's enjoying the media attention 455 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: that aboven't beyond that they are picking up on something 456 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: from hints, or they would not waste their time continuing 457 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: to go back to someone. Now many people yes, jump here, yeah, listen. 458 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: One of the other things we can't forget here and 459 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: all of this. One of the reasons they zeroed in 460 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: on this guy to begin with that I believe is 461 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 1: that he correct me if I'm wrong he does have 462 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: a history in his past, uh of of going after stalking, Yes, stalking, 463 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: and that you know, which adds a whole another creepy level. Listen, 464 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: this place is very small, Nancy. This this town itself, 465 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: Brooklyn is less than fift people, so you don't have 466 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: a wide variety of folks to to select from here. Uh, 467 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: he's in proximity to this. That's gonna narrow this thing 468 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: down relative to what the investigators are looking. That's what 469 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: they said about Terra Grin Senate in took ten years. Yeah, 470 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not debating that. I'm just saying that, Well, 471 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. Let me follow up on what 472 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: you're saying. And I hope Joe is still listening because 473 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him a prop here. It's such a 474 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: small town with the door unlock, as he pointed out, 475 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: to have a complete stranger just saunter into a small 476 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: town like this one, somebody seeming you'd think would come 477 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: forward and mentioned, hey I saw that guy. Although we 478 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: have her an evidence of a black suv trolling the area, 479 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: which lends credit to the father theory that she got 480 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: into the car with someone that she knew or someone 481 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: she knew of, someone that had a non threatening facade. 482 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: Think about it. In the past week, Iowa investigators have 483 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: canceled not one but two press conferences at the last 484 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: minute with no explanation. I find that very very unusual. 485 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 1: Does that mean they're working on a specific lead? To 486 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, former cop turned p I to have the 487 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: police cancel not one but two pressers at the last minute, 488 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: I find that very telling, Vincent. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And 489 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: to your point that maybe they're working on a different lead. 490 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean we mentioned in Black SUV. You know, if 491 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: I was those investigators there, I would be checking d 492 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: MB records in that town, who has in Black sub 493 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: who may have known Molly, who may have been friends 494 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: with Molly, who had an Internet with Molly, all of 495 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: these things and so in in plus, keep in mind 496 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: we still haven't nailed down the exact timeline. So I 497 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 1: think when police start to think about it, let's not 498 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: use press conferences if we can't give definitive answers. We 499 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: have two and a half hours between the job seven thirty, 500 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: she was seen and the boyfriend says there was a 501 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: snapchat around ten the red shirt the next morning, so 502 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: there's still a lot of unanswered questions. So maybe police 503 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: are just saying, hey, let's not do this pressure until 504 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: we can give definitive information. Well, you know what, Vincent, 505 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: you're the cop with the former cop, not me. But 506 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: if that was their theory, they would never call the 507 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: press conference to start with. Okay, So the fact that 508 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: they call it and then cancel it at the last minute, 509 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: not once, but twice to me is significant. Um to 510 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Lee Egan, what more do we now? I want to 511 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: follow up on? Joe Scott just told us about the 512 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: pig farmers alleged. Well, it's not alleged. He played guilty 513 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: to stalking. What else do we know about that? Lee? Yes, 514 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: farmer girlfriend. We sently spoke to reporters out in Iowa 515 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: and this happened just this past week or so. Apparently 516 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: this is the lady who took out a restraining order 517 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: on him and he was convicted of stalking. Her daughter 518 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: was at an ice cream shop outside eating ice cream 519 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: with a friend. Wayne Cheney reportedly pulls up, sees them, 520 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: pulls right in front of them, gets out of his car, 521 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: stands in front of them and just stares at them 522 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: and will not leave. So in the girlfriend's mind. She's 523 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: thinking he's capable of anything and she would not put 524 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: anything past him. Okay, now hold on, let me just 525 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: clarify something regarding what Ley just said. Lee Agan, that's 526 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,959 Speaker 1: what the ex girlfriend says. We have not confirmed that. 527 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: We have not substantiated that. We do know that you 528 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: have just got a right. He does have a stalking conviction. 529 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: We know that. Tipline nine zero nine Crime nine zero 530 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: nine four two seven four six three call us with tipsies, Wayne, 531 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: What what has it been like? Uh, these last you know, 532 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: a few weeks. Take me through what the community has 533 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: been going through. What you've been seeing the activity. I 534 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: haven't really seen much, so I really don't know what's 535 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: going on. I mean, I don't have no idea what 536 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: they're doing. It's just a bad deal. What's been the 537 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: I guess the hardest part because I can't find her? Um? 538 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: How does that that's been impacting you even though you 539 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: don't even know you know the person? Right? No, but 540 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't know her. Um? What's that like? Not knowing 541 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: someone to being frustrating about their situation? Oh? I don't know. 542 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: It's just a bad deal, Um, you had said, you know, 543 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean We've heard different people, I mean all people 544 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn, people out here, um at hog farms that 545 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: that own, you know, different properties, police come in and 546 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: going through. Think what was the situation like for you 547 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: here and how they kind of approached everything. Oh, I 548 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: don't know. Well to hear Cheney, the local pig farmer, 549 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: he doesn't know much of anything. That's odd, right, doesn't 550 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: know anything. I don't know how to explain that, but 551 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I do know the fans have spoken to him three 552 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: times now, but they seem to have left him alone. 553 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: We're referring to a pig farmer who looked about ten 554 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: miles down the road from where Molly Tippittz was last 555 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: seen alive. Theories are abounding as to her disappearance. That 556 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: reward has now climbed to about three hundred thousand dollars 557 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars, with Molly's mother taking the unusual 558 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: step of offering the money to the kidnapper if they 559 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: bring Molly back. Call us with your questions, your tips, 560 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: your theories. Nine four nine to crime nine O nine 561 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: four nine two seven four six three. Let's go straight 562 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: out to Tampa, Florida. What's a question? Hi, and answer, yes, 563 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: I have a question for you for these missing children 564 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: or kids or people, why can't we use satellite dishes 565 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: to go in and pinpoint if we have a place 566 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: and time someone was abducted or taken to actually use 567 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: that footage to go in and look at who did it? Well, 568 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: that's a good one, you know. I want to go 569 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: to you on that one. Joe's got Morgan forensics expert 570 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: death investigators. I have had that question asked many times, 571 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: many many times, because we know that satellites are out there. 572 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: We know that they can pick up on very minute details, 573 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: to my understanding, even a license tag before. I also 574 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: know that it's been tried in other cases to no avail. 575 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of that question? Well, yeah, there's 576 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: something called geo special analysis uh nancy where uh satellite 577 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: imagery can be honed in on specific areas and it's 578 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: more of a probability uh exercise and probability where an 579 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: individual may or may not have gone now as far 580 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: as her uh them, having the absolute ability for them 581 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: to track her specifically would be very difficult. And also 582 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: in this period of time, there may not you know, 583 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: you may not necessarily have a satellite that is passing 584 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: over this area that could be tasked with that kind 585 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: of job. It's called satellite imagery. Satellite imagery being used 586 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: to solve cases in some instances. There are specialists in 587 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: law and earth observation that have been working on many, 588 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: many cases, including places as far away as Mexico, Chile, Nigeria. 589 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: And these cases ranged from murders to you know, simple disputes. 590 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: Seven of the cases that I know have have turned 591 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: into full on investigations. But you've i to have data 592 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: over a particular month season. It's very difficult to get 593 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: the data. Um has it worked in the past. If so, 594 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: it has not been publicized. To me, it seems like 595 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare to try and do it. Uh. You know, 596 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: we saw this same issue come up straight out to 597 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: Alan Deep joining me in l A. You're very familiar 598 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: with the Missy Beaver's case. I thought for sure the 599 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: sting ray use um nyp D I believe brought in 600 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: their sting ray equipment to Middle Lothian, Texas to try 601 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: and grab all the cell phones used in the area 602 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: where Missy Beavers was found dead within a certain period 603 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: of hours. Okay, we got nothing, So very often the 604 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 1: high high tech can be very questionable in certain cases. Well, 605 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: the sting ray is just for use when something's happening 606 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: at that time, when they're monitoring and tracking somebody then 607 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: and this had already happened. But and Missy Beavers, the 608 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: weird thing is, I think the police have a lot 609 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: that they're not telling us about, and so maybe they 610 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: do have imagery that that they're just not releasing. We 611 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: know about those parking lot videos right right, right right, 612 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: so that that came from the surveillance video at the 613 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: gun store and the sports store, the video of the cars. 614 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: But regarding high tech usage in crime solving, they keep 615 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff secret. We didn't even know 616 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: about the steam Gray was kept secret for years before 617 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: it leaked out, you know, Joe Scott to the the 618 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: question regarding satellite imagery, back to your answer, there has 619 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: to be a satellite in that area at that time. 620 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: The likelihood of a satellite being over Brooklyn residents may 621 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: be far fetched, but I think she's got a point. 622 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: Why not try it? And I often say, Joe Scott, 623 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: you know NASA could learn a thing or two from Target. 624 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Have you seen their video surveillance? I mean it's getting 625 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: better and better by the minute. Yeah, and I think 626 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: that as Tom goes by, this is going to improve exponentially. 627 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: That ain't helping Molly's parents though, Jo, it's not. But 628 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: what you can look forward quickly with a lot of 629 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 1: these imageries is changes in landscape, particularly when you're talking 630 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: about clandestine burials. Good point. You know. The theory, the 631 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: prevailing theory right now, as we started out with the 632 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: dad is did she leave with somebody she knew? But 633 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: hold on, hold the horses, because we also know she's 634 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: in a snapchat that evening indoors to her boyfriend that 635 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: he opened it to EMPI. And we also know, according 636 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: to reports that she was doing homework on her computer 637 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: late in the evening. She would have jogged before that. 638 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: That's totally inconsistent with the dog still being in the 639 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: basement while she's out for a jock. She would have 640 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: come home, don't let the dogs out doing her homework? 641 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: How the dogs get back in the basement? Did she 642 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: plan to leave again? Is that how the scenario went down? 643 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: Right now? The working theory seems to be she left 644 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: with someone she knew, but who is that in a 645 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: town Afred don't we know who her acquaintances are. Another 646 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: theory is that she ran away from home. I don't 647 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: buy that for a minute. These two canceled press conferences 648 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: are weighing on my mind. Very unusual that they were canceled. 649 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: Is Molly with someone she knows? If so, it's more 650 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: likely that she is still alive. Listen to this. Every 651 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: day I feel Molly's presence with me, um, you know, 652 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: sometimes I just feel her sitting on my shoulder. And 653 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: Molly was an incredible strong young woman. And I don't 654 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: know that I have the strengthen me, but Molly's lending 655 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: me her strength every day, every night. And yes I 656 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: have my moments of complete mouthdowns, but it is through 657 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: this strength that is somehow, and I don't know how 658 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: being bestowed upon me that I am able to get 659 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: through every morning, every noon, every night. Now that's Molly 660 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: tib It's mother Laura speaking when the reward was announced 661 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: over three hundred thousand dollars the Molly tube It's tip 662 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: line eight hundred four or five to one one one 663 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: eight hundred four or five two one one one one. 664 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: The unusual tactic of offering the money to the kidnapper 665 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: in exchange for bringing Molly home. Call us with your tips, 666 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,240 Speaker 1: your theories, your questions. N nine four nine two seven 667 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: four six three straight out to the line. Now joining 668 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: us from Iowa. Shanny, Hi, Shanny, what's your question? I 669 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: just saw online you guys were talking about Molly Kibbutz, 670 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: and so I said, I'm gonna call in. So I 671 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 1: live in Van Meter, Iowa, Okay, And we've had seventy 672 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: kids missing, you know, in a month here. We have 673 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: no information from the police. What's going on? What's happening 674 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: to our kids out here? And um, I'm I'm pretty frustrated, 675 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: you know. And then the other day that anonymous people 676 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: started sending videos to the people in Brooklyn and Iowa. 677 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: And it's just I believe it's sex trafficking going on 678 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: pretty much. That's what I think. So hold on, let 679 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: me understand this. You have all these people missing in 680 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: Van Meter, Iowa. Question to you, how far is Van 681 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,879 Speaker 1: Meter from where Molly went missing in Brooklyn about two 682 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: hours now? We don't have a miss been here in 683 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 1: Van Meter. We have them all over Iowa. There's like 684 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 1: seventy children from June to July that have been taken here, 685 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: not just Molly, a lot of kids. That has really 686 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 1: a huge amount of missing people. That's huge children, girls 687 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: and boys, Nancy, girls and boys, not just girls and boys. Now, 688 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: I want to back up what Shanny is saying. In Iowa, 689 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: so far that I know of forty eight juveniles have 690 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: gone missing. Is that number of misleading? Um? The search 691 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: for Iowa student Molly goes on, But as Shanny is saying, 692 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,479 Speaker 1: we know of forty eight other Iowa juveniles have gone 693 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: missing so far, and that has sparked a fury about 694 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: what is going on. Now. There's been a lot of 695 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: coverage regarding the appearance of Molly out of Brooklyn, Iowa, 696 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: But what about all of these other children? Now? Fear 697 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: concern rumors have developed to the point where many people believe, 698 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: including Shanny, that sex trafficking, the human market is what's 699 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: going on. Is that true? What do we know about 700 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: sex trafficking and human marketing? You know, Joe Scott Morgan, 701 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 1: there was a time I went poo pooh it, but 702 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: not now. Where are the bodies at me? Where are 703 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: the bodies at You're right, you're right, none of them 704 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: have been found. Hey, and Nancy, let me just jump 705 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: in I'm sorry, Shannon. Let me just jump into her point. 706 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been covering this in Iowa since Nancy, 707 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: about sex trafficking and small towns in Iowa. So she 708 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: may be onto something because she had the point where 709 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: all these bodies of these missing kids that no one 710 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: has seemed to have found just yet, So she could 711 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: be on the something. Now, the Department of Public Safety 712 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: is saying that juveniles runaway multiple times, so one kid 713 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: can run away three or four times and it inflates 714 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: the number. But I don't know that that's necessarily true here. 715 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 1: Uh just got Morgan sex trafficking, human trafficking. Let me 716 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: tell you something. I nearly did a back flip. You know. 717 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: I just took the children on a Disney cruise right 718 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,919 Speaker 1: which I love, and we had an awesome time. Well 719 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: I flipped out because right before that, I took them 720 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,320 Speaker 1: to my nephew's wedding in Maryland, and I have my 721 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: mom with me. She's up. To get her from the 722 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: door to the gate. Wait, such a long walk. We 723 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: use a wheelchair. So she went in with John John David, 724 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: my ten year old son. While I was out checking 725 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: the bags. I go in. They're both gone. Then some 726 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: workers says, oh, they went to the bathroom. What does 727 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: that mean to me that my mom gets John David 728 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: to push her to the bathroom he stands out by 729 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: himself in front of the men's bathroom. Okay, Joe Scott Morgan, 730 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 1: I my heart was just beating out of my head 731 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,359 Speaker 1: and I couldn't run after because I had Lucy and Toe. 732 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't leave her alone. So I bottom line, sex trafficking, 733 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: human tracking, trafficking of children and teens is real, Joe Scott, 734 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: it's real. Airports are the worst and rural areas perfect target. 735 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: Well I want to interrupt for a second, but are 736 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: we're our freeways crossed like I eighty and I thirty 737 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,280 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like a big drug trafficking h highway anyway, 738 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: So you know, um, I really believe that that they're 739 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: taking them out in semi somehow. I just you know 740 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 1: the thing about it is, they keep saying that they're 741 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: gonna come out and let us know what's going on. 742 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: They aren't. I have a fifteen year old daughter here, 743 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter that lives here. You know, I'm 744 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: just and and nobody it's not it's not even making 745 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: the news like what is going like nationally, Like, come on, 746 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: this is this is a problem. So I actually went 747 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: out to I went out to go to search in Brooklyn. 748 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: I was getting ready, got my water bottle. They counseled 749 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,839 Speaker 1: the search. They say they called the FBI in Now 750 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,120 Speaker 1: the FBI is here, but nobody is saying anything. Nothing. 751 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: It's like a two second thing on the news. No, no, 752 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: no new information. That's it. Now we know sex trafficking 753 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 1: is not the cause of every missing person case miss 754 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: but she's The National Human Trafficking Hotline recorded seventy four 755 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,320 Speaker 1: reports of human trafficking in Iowa in two thousand seventeen 756 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: alone in one year that they know of sex trafficking 757 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,280 Speaker 1: is real. Now, let's listen to death to this Shanny. 758 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 1: Way back when I was still prosecuting in inner city Atlanta, 759 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: ten years I had a thirteen year old girl get taken. 760 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: You know where I found her. There's no nice way 761 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: to put it. A worehouse, Okay, there's just really no 762 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 1: nice way. And when I walked into that, that motel, 763 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: i'll call it, and ephemistically, I looked in there were 764 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: three or four then, and we're in there and I 765 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: came out to the investigators. I said, she's not there's 766 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: not a girl in there. Where is she? He said 767 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: she was in there. They went, that's her in the boots. 768 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: I went back in. This thirteen year old girl look 769 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: like she was thirty eight. She had on a we've 770 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: all the makeup, the adult clothes. I looked at her 771 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: and I realized this was the thirteen year old little girl. 772 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: She had been taken for sex trafficking, and she was 773 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: in king with prostitutes. It happens. It happens more than 774 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: we can say. So what's the word, Shanny. Is that 775 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: what people believe happened to Molly? That's what I believe, 776 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,800 Speaker 1: and um, I believe there's a lot of people that 777 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 1: are now just now getting suspicious. You can go on 778 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: my Facebook page and you can see child after child 779 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: after child. You know, I wasn't even aware of it. 780 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 1: What is your Facebook page, Shanny? What's your Facebook page? 781 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: Oh it's just Sianni Gilbert just my name. How do 782 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: you spend that? S H A N E Y. Yeah, 783 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: and Gilbert G I L B R. I'm gonna do 784 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: that right now, go ahead and you can look in 785 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,760 Speaker 1: and see and so at first it was just girls 786 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: and everybody was like, oh whatever. Then we have an 787 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: artistic boy that's been missing. Nobody founded him, he hasn't 788 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: made news, and he was he was one of the 789 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: first one. So now all these little boys are going 790 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: and uh missing. And so when you're talking to numbers 791 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,720 Speaker 1: of forty eight, I guarantee you're talking just girls because 792 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: if you look at it, it's hite too. I'm going 793 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: to your Facebook site right now. Shanny Gilbert on Facebook, 794 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 1: raising the theory of sex trafficking. Her body has not 795 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: been found, her clothing has not been found, her cell 796 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: phone has not been found. Where is Molly again? The 797 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: tip line for Molly tibbitts eight hundred four or five 798 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: to one one one one. That reward now climbing to 799 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: over three hundred thousand dollars. Take a listen to Molly's mother. 800 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: If it were me that we're missing, Molly wouldn't give 801 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,000 Speaker 1: up hope. Um, that's not a thought. You won't see 802 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,840 Speaker 1: me giving up hope. There's that's that's not an option. 803 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, goodbye friend,