1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe for this Tuesday, the twenty 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: fifth of April in London. Coming up today, Banking. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: On a successful takeover, ubsc's net inflows of twenty eight 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: billion dollars in the first quarter. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: One hundred billion dollar hold First Republic shares plunge after 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: depositors take flight. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: A CV showdown, job seeker numbers soar in the City 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: of London as vacancies, slum. 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: Taxing conversations had bags out Downing Street, and the FCA's 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: guilty headache. Those of the stories we're looking at in 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: today's papers. And I'm Leanne Gerens plus. 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: Tucker Down's Fox News ditches star host Carlson a week 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: after its record seven hundred and eighty seven million dollar 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: dominion settlements. 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 4: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 4: news you need to start your day in just one 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 4: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business App 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: and every where you get your podcasts. 19 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Stephen Carroll and I'm Alex Webb. Here 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: are the stories we're following today. UBS which attracted twenty 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: eight billion dollars from wealthy clients in the months running 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: up to its takeover of Credit Sweez. That includes seven 23 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: billion that came in the ten days after the government 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: backed takeover was announced. Bloomberg Finance idit air Patrick Winters 25 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: reacted to the numbers. 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 5: It's good, right, it's positive. It's in flows, not outflows. 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 5: But I think you have to put that into perspective 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 5: of Credit Squeeze having sixty billion of outflows reporting that yesterday, 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 5: So you know what's what's in the gap. Basically, UBS 30 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 5: is buying a company that's bleeding a lot of assets, 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 5: and UBS is not able to is not taking all 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 5: those assets in right. Some of them are filtering out 33 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 5: to other companies, other institutions, probably rivals, and that gap 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 5: is going to be the most concerning thing. 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: Patrick Winter's speaking to us earlier in the program there. 36 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: UBS says it now expects to wrap up its purchase 37 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: of Credit Suisse in the second quarter. The bank also 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: announced that it will take a six hundred and sixty 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: five million dollar litigation provision tied to its role in 40 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: selling mortgage securities before the financial crisis. 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: The Spanish lender of Santandeer reported profits of two point 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: five seven billion euros in the first quarter, beating the 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: average estimates of two point four billion. The bank's also 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: setting aside two hundred and twenty four million euros to 45 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: cover the cost of a Spanish windfall tax on bank revenues. 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: This year, Santander added nine million customers compared to last year, 47 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: boosting its lending and deposits to. 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: The US, and one hundred billion dollars in deposits was 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: pulled from the First Republic Bank last month. The larger 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: than expected outflow has reignited investor concerns about prospects for 51 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: its business. Speaking to investors, First Republic's president and CEO, 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: Mike Roffler said the bank is taking action. 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 6: We are pursuing strategic options to expedite our progress while 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 6: reinforcing our capital position. I also want to underscore the 55 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 6: key aspects of our business that we're re main unchanged. 56 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 6: These include operating a simple and straightforward business model focused 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 6: on delivering exceptional client service. 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 2: Ruffler's comments came as the bank said it would cut 59 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: up to a quarter of its workforce, lower outstanding loan 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: balances and curb non essential activities. 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: The president of Britain's biggest business lobby group says it 62 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: may not survive after a series of sexual misconduct allegations 63 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: leveled at some staff members. The CBIs Brian McBride says 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: senior leaders had failed its employees. 65 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 7: The fact that serious things happened and we didn't know 66 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 7: about them tells us there's something wrong with the culture. 67 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 7: We must actually get much more severe in dealing with 68 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 7: these things. So I think where we had resolution before 69 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 7: that was agreed by both parties, we're still seeing that 70 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 7: that's probably not enough and we have to have a 71 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 7: zero tolerance culture here. 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: McBride wrote an open letter to members yesterday. After some 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: of the UK's largest businesses canceled their memberships, the CBI 74 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: has suspended all business until June as it attempts to 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: restore trust in the organization. 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: The number of people looking for jobs in the city 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: of London has risen as vacancy's slump. Bloomberg's U and 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: Potts has the story. 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 8: Job seekers up, job vacancies down. The number of people 80 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 8: looking for work in the city of don An increased 81 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 8: in the first quarter, while the number of open positions 82 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 8: dropped by almost a third. The latest data from Morgan 83 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 8: McKinley highlights the tough job market for bankers amid economic 84 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 8: uncertainty and the threat of redundancies. The survey says there 85 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 8: were twelve percent more people on the hunt for work 86 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 8: than during the same period last year. For those in 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 8: finance who do manage to switch jobs, the average salary 88 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 8: uplift was eighteen percent. But that's the lowest salary bump 89 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 8: in nearly two years. 90 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 9: In London. 91 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 8: I'm u in Pot's Bloomberg. 92 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 9: Day Break Europe. 93 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Fox News has fired its most popular presenter, Tucker Carlson 94 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Intelligence, as media analyst Getha Ragnathan says, his influence 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: can't be understated. 96 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 10: Fox News is the major is a crown jewelryly of 97 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 10: the full Fox Empire. It brings in seventy five percent 98 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 10: of the comp I need a profit. It is the 99 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 10: most watched cable network in the US, has been now 100 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 10: for about ten years running. And a huge part of 101 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 10: that I think they owe to their anchors and especially 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 10: you know the popularity of Ducker Calson. So this is 103 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 10: this is huge. 104 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Many investors shared Rangan Athens views with Fox's market cap 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: using five hundred and seven million dollars by the close. 106 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: The share price slump comes just after Fox agreed to 107 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: play seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars to settle 108 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: a defamation suit over its twenty twenty election coverage. Those 109 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: are our top stories on the program this morning. Of course, 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: plenty of results to dig into, but worth a word 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: on the latest on LVMH, the French luxury giant closing 112 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: in on ninth spot now for the Worre list of 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: world's biggest companies. Only last week we were talking about 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: entering the top ten. But as a result of the 115 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: gain in chairs, the luxury goods giant has seen its 116 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: market value almost five hundred billion dollars now. Tesla at 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: the same time, which is the company that's chasing, has 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: seen its chairs fall by twenty three percent in the 119 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: same time, so they're getting closer and closer on the 120 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: billionaire's list. Though things a little bit further apart. 121 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: I mean, it really does seem to underscore the importance 122 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,679 Speaker 2: in a sense of luxury because Tesla, as it cuts 123 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: its prices, is sort of pivoting towards being a volume 124 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: car maker, and at the same time this other company 125 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: that is very much not a volume play is the 126 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: one taking its place, is some sort of powable in 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 2: there somewhere. 128 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to actually even trying to draw conclusions 129 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: from that, but a good point. Bernardarnou from LVMH's place 130 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: at the top of the Bloomberg billionaire's list, now extending 131 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: his lead over Elon Musk. He's worth just under two 132 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen billion dollars versus around one hundred and 133 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: sixty three billion for Elon Musk. Well, let's turn out 134 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: to get more in our top story and the results 135 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: from UBS. Despite the twenty eight billion dollars in new 136 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: net inflows, UBS also says they're upping the money set 137 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: aside for litigation. So what are the priorities for the 138 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: former and new UBS CEO Sergio Ermati he's been speaking 139 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: to bloom Manus Kranny. 140 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 11: First of all, we were very pleased with the fact 141 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 11: that at times of distress in the market generally the 142 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 11: first quarter was very challenging, we still saw clients looking 143 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 11: at UBS as a safe haven, and the influence were 144 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 11: coming in from all regions and from different sources, and 145 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 11: in that sense we are very pleased that, particularly also 146 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 11: after the announcement of the transaction of the acquisition of 147 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 11: Pretty Swiss, we still saw influenced coming into our bank. 148 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 9: So a sign of confidence of our clients. 149 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 12: Seven billion came in in the ten days after the 150 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 12: transaction closed. Was that Swiss money was that from Credit 151 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 12: Swiez can we defined that as Credit Swiez. 152 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 11: Flow No was generally across the board, and you can 153 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 11: see that those numbers were also well diversified. 154 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 9: I would say also one main driver was in the US. 155 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 11: So the confidence in this transaction was also shown by 156 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 11: our international clients having strong faith in our ability to execute. 157 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 12: Sixty nine billion dollars the door and assets from Credit 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 12: sueee you in this quarter in those ten days after 159 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 12: they've got seven billion dollars, I'm surprised you didn't get more. 160 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 12: What do you say to that. 161 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 11: Well, obviously we can demonstrate that there is enough competition 162 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 11: out there, so anybody fearing that this transaction creates too 163 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 11: much concentration is wrong. 164 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 9: So I think that we are pleased with the influence 165 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 9: we saw. We always say that we will not be 166 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 9: the only beneficiary of this transaction, and the numbers seems. 167 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 12: To show that there is certainly a move to money 168 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 12: market funds that's happening in every bank. Do you think 169 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 12: the dash to money market funds. The dash to that 170 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 12: level of product is that peak. Do you think we 171 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 12: passed the pick of that dash for cash and money market? 172 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 9: Well, it's difficult to judge. 173 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 11: I mean, what we have to do is to stay 174 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 11: close to clients and do the best for them. At 175 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 11: this point in time, we do understand that at least 176 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 11: part of their liquidity has to go into money markets 177 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 11: or treasuries because they have a better in some cases 178 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 11: better pickups in their in their yield. And so it's 179 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 11: very natural and we are helping clients to make the 180 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 11: best choices. And we saw a very strong influence also 181 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 11: in our own money market funds that we manage within 182 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 11: asset management and in. 183 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 12: Terms of the net interesting come up by over thirty 184 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 12: percent within wealth management. So what goes through my mind 185 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 12: is are we at peak rates? Do you think rates 186 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 12: will top out of five percent? Do you see a 187 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 12: case for six percent of Some people are speculating in 188 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 12: the US on the rate cycle. 189 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 11: Well, the case is online is only based on the 190 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 11: fact that if you see io rates, it means that 191 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 11: inflation inflation fights is not successful and is necessary to 192 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 11: go to that level. I would say that the priority 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 11: number one nowadays is to fight inflation, even if it 194 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 11: costs a smaller recession. I believe that the social cost 195 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 11: of high inflation over time will be much higher than 196 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 11: having a slow down in the economy. 197 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 12: Do you think we'll have a recession of mild recession. 198 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 9: We are not ruling out that. 199 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 11: Towards the end of this year and early part of 200 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 11: next year we may see a slow down. 201 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 12: Yes, Let's get to the elephant in the room. Cuit 202 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 12: sweet Ubs. You are now the CEO. How confident are 203 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 12: you the deal closes in the second quarter and what's 204 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 12: the biggest hurdle? 205 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 11: Well, so far, we got the PIA, the FAT, the 206 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 11: Swiss authority. We are in advanced discussion with other key 207 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 11: authorities to get the approvals for the transaction. We are 208 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 11: still working and we believe that during the second quarter 209 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 11: we will be able. 210 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 12: To close the biggest obstacle. 211 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 9: It's just we have to go through the processes. It 212 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 9: takes time. 213 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 12: The share buyback is paused. For nine years, we sat 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 12: together and we talked about dividend buyback, dividend buy back, 215 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 12: dividend buy back. Here we are we're in a pause mode. 216 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 12: People are saying twenty twenty six before it restarts. Is 217 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 12: that a reasonable guidance to the market today, that is 218 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 12: twenty twenty six before you can smell a buy back restart. 219 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 9: It's too early to talk about buyback. 220 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 11: I think what is important is to say that we 221 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 11: pose it and we haven't canceled it, so our intention. 222 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 9: As soon as we have more visibility. 223 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 11: About all the numbers and our plans, we will leve 224 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 11: also a better view on our capital return strategy. At 225 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,119 Speaker 11: this time, we are reiterating our intention to a progressive 226 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 11: cash dividends increase every year and we are definitely have 227 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 11: an intention to shared by back when it's appropriate. 228 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 12: Is there a hurdle? Is there a milestone where you 229 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 12: would say this can help me back to restart the buyback? 230 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 12: Is there some material hurdled across. 231 00:11:53,679 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 11: The one material aspect in assessing capital returns the solidity 232 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 11: of our balance sheet and our. 233 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 9: Liquidity position, which is critical to our business. 234 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 11: We will not compromise this, and I think this is 235 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 11: for us is possible to achieve both continuing to have 236 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 11: a strong capital position and at the same time having 237 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 11: very attractive share alder returns. 238 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 12: The Chairman guided us at a number of times that 239 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 12: the integration takes three to four years. Is that a 240 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 12: low ball and a low bar? Or again, is that 241 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 12: a reasonable guidance. 242 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 9: I think it's reasonable guidance. I mean, this is a 243 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 9: complex transaction. I think that. 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 11: But it's also a transaction that we will offer a 245 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,599 Speaker 11: huge opportunity not only to our shareholders, but also to 246 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 11: our clients. The two franchises are extremely complementary and in 247 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 11: many areas and also to our employees. 248 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 9: But in order to fully execute a transaction of this complexity, 249 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 9: it takes time, and we have to do things in 250 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 9: the right way. 251 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 11: We should not hurry into doing things that and just 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 11: for the sake of closing the transaction in a couple 253 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 11: of years earlier. 254 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 12: Again, what kind of milestone do you have? You've thought 255 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 12: about this, You've thought about this deal for many years, 256 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 12: you Axel Weber, what is the what is the milestone 257 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 12: in your mind that says I'm really succeeding in this integration. 258 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 9: Well, for me, is more emotional than americal. 259 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 11: I would say that in three to four years time, 260 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 11: I like to see the employees of the combined organization 261 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 11: at this country, our clients to be very. 262 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 9: Proud to be associated within your ubs. 263 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 12: There is a lot of social and political anks out 264 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 12: there on banjostrasson around over the Swiss Universal Bank, lots 265 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 12: of people come and say they're going to have to 266 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 12: give up a piece of the Swiss Universal Bank. He's 267 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 12: going to have to IPO to appease the people out there. Again, 268 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 12: your response to that kind of speculation. 269 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 11: I'm glad you met some of them. I mean, it 270 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 11: looks like we have a lot of experts nowadays on 271 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 11: our to. 272 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 9: Run banks in Switzerland. 273 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 11: So I think that the only thing I can say 274 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 11: is that we will take our time to make decisions 275 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 11: based on facts and not based on emotions, and I'm 276 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 11: sure it's going to be a good transactions. 277 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 12: Well, the facts are that you in your tenure down 278 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 12: size the investment bank and made it something that helps 279 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 12: wealth management. Chairman again reafirms investment bank will come down 280 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 12: to twenty five percent. So you've done this before. You 281 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 12: have knowledge of Credit Sweez. Again, my question is how 282 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 12: quickly in real terms can you get an investment bank 283 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 12: a Credit Swiez integrated and done to twenty five percent 284 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 12: of the group. 285 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 9: Well, the blueprint is our blueprints. 286 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 11: Having say that Credit Swiez has also excellent capabilities that 287 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 11: we were missing and will be very complimentary to our franchise. 288 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 9: But one thing we won't compromise is the way we 289 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 9: do business. 290 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 11: How we do business and also the amount of sources 291 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 11: in this case respirated assets that we will allocate to 292 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 11: the investment bank will be a maximum twenty five percent. 293 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 12: What's the duel in the credit switek crime that you 294 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 12: really want to. 295 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 11: Keep everything is Cresis is a very strong franchise and 296 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 11: what I'm very pleased is that while we have some 297 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 11: overlaps in many regions and in many products, we have 298 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 11: a complementary skill set. You look at asset management, we're 299 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 11: going to be one of the leading asset manager now 300 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 11: in the world and thanks to complementary capabilities. Even in 301 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 11: Switzerland we have complementary clients franchises, and in in asset management, 302 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 11: from a regional standpoint of view, you look at Asia 303 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 11: and also in Europe we have complementing clients franchises. 304 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 12: When when you go on the road, are you talking 305 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 12: to clients who you're talking to? What picture you're making 306 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 12: to stay with the United multi group, Well, it's. 307 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 11: Not a united or motive group with ubs, and I 308 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 11: think that the strength. We have been demonstrating the discipline 309 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 11: we're demonstrating in the last twelve years or so in managing. 310 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 11: Our journey will be the same one we want to 311 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 11: pursue going forward. 312 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 9: So gains us. 313 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 12: We are less We are less risky trade than you've 314 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 12: been used to. You know it come to us. 315 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 11: But look, you know, at the end of the day, 316 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 11: we have been demonstrating our strengths in terms of KPIs, 317 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 11: capital liquidity and so on and so forthward. The most 318 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 11: important issue nowadays is to keep strong profitability and the 319 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 11: trust of our clients down. 320 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 12: Sizing these combined institutions is going to involve as reducing 321 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 12: risk weighted assets, but it's also going to be a 322 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 12: social cost in terms of job losses. How quickly will 323 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 12: that pain be felt across the group? In your initial 324 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 12: estimate at this juncture, this is. 325 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 11: By far the most painful part of the job. But 326 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 11: I'm confident that we will do that, first of all, 327 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 11: with full respect of the people involved, fair and as 328 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 11: transparent as possible. Having say that, you know that we are, 329 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 11: particularly here in Switzerland is a pretty aging population. A 330 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 11: lot of people are retiring in the next few years, 331 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 11: and I'm pretty sure that we will label through that 332 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 11: and also through natural attrition to mitigate at least the 333 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 11: social cost. 334 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 12: You come back into this bank hall you left it 335 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 12: in twenty twenty, the world of banking. You've not been 336 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 12: gone from the world of finance. But banking has changed. 337 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 12: People say to me, it's not two thousand and eight. 338 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 12: What is this banking landscape right there for you to 339 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 12: find it? 340 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 11: Well, the banking landscape has change, is evolving, but there 341 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 11: is one thing in banking that has remained the same 342 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 11: is trust and confidence of your clients and the employees 343 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 11: that work for your organization. 344 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 9: And this is my focus to restore proud. 345 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 11: And have an organization that, as I said, clients and 346 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 11: employees can be proud to work for. 347 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 12: Tell me this, we're back in the banking hall. Are 348 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 12: you back in your old yes? How does that feel good? 349 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 9: Good feeling? I think I was very honored that humbold 350 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 9: about this new task I have. 351 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 11: The feeling is good, but also there is a clear 352 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 11: sense of responsibility to make sure that this thing goes 353 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 11: in the right direction. 354 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: So that was the UBS CEO Sergio Armati there speaking 355 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg's manas Cranny after their results published This Morning 356 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: Up Next, Taxing conversations, handbags at Downing Street and the 357 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: FCA is guilty headache. 358 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 4: Now the paper review on Bluebird, Daybreak Europe. The news 359 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 4: you need to know from today's papers blogs. 360 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: Lean Garons joins us with the details, so Leah on 361 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,640 Speaker 2: the headline. In the Financial Times, Jeremy Hunt admits UK 362 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: business taxes too high as government pressed on strategy. 363 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: So yesterday Alex, Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt launched a 364 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: charm offensive at the Business Connect event in North London, 365 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: but it didn't go all completely as was planned. They 366 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: did face backlash from these big British brands. The main 367 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: one really was Burbery that caught many people's attention, who 368 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 3: are criticizing the government's decision to remove tax free shopping 369 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: for Taurus. Now Bloomberg is reporting Jerry Murphrey that Birbery's 370 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: chairman said the UK had scored a spectacular own goal 371 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: in removing tax breaks, which is actually putting Taurus off 372 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 3: shopping in the UK after Braxit. Now his words caused 373 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: this very awkward exchange with Rishi Sunak, and during his reply, 374 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister actually declined to discuss tax policy in 375 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: an open forum, but said he was listening. He also 376 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: said there were such good reasons for the that change, 377 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: and the Chancellor Jeremy and also yesterday during this big 378 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: meeting of British corporate and businesses, admitted that the tax 379 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: was just far too high, but he said the economy 380 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: needed to grow more to bring taxes down now. According 381 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: to the story and the Ft, Conservative Party insiders privately 382 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 3: Our admitting Labour's leader Keir Starmer has led a highly 383 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: successful charm offensive with businesses alongside the Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves. 384 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: So there we are a little bit of tug of 385 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: war yesterday at that big business event here in London. 386 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Another conversation that came up at that event being picked 387 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: up by the Times newspaper today. The headline of this 388 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: story my wife loves you sun Actel's maker of twenty 389 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: six hundred pound designer handbags. 390 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 3: Yes, this is something that happened yesterday. So of course 391 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: the Telegraph has this story and we can link it 392 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: to the first one because and Anya Heinmarch was actually 393 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: making the She was asking Rishie Senak a question about 394 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: the industry. And she is a very well known British 395 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 3: designer who does luxury handbags. Now, the Telegraph says the 396 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: Prime ministers off the cuff remarks reignite the debate over 397 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: his personal wealth. So when she asked Rishi's seen at 398 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 3: the question yesterday, he actually personally thanked the London based 399 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: design for everything she'd done for the country and also 400 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 3: for providing him with great presence for his wife during 401 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: Christmas or her birthday. He used to get her these bags. 402 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: According to what he's saying now. 403 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a secret now, yes he is. 404 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, he is indeed, and also Anya Hindmarch. So her 405 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: bags cost about two six hundred pounds. That's the upper 406 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 3: limit of it. But you can get all different ranges, 407 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: so it depends obviously on the size of the bag. 408 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: That's normally the way it works. But she's very well known. 409 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 3: I know our very own Francine Lacqua has interviewed her 410 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 3: for lead is with Lacqua, Yes, but there's different range. 411 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: And look, the problem with this yesterday is Rishie Sunak 412 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: was probably trying to be a little bit more personal. 413 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 3: He just had this off the cuff remark. But once 414 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: again it's what the critics are saying. They just often 415 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: paint him as a man who is completely out of touch. 416 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: Apparently according to the story right now and to the 417 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: newspaper The Telegraph is basically saying he is estimated fortune 418 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 3: of almost three quarters of a billion pounds. And remember 419 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: he is married to Akshatta Murty, the daughter of a 420 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: billionaire Indian entrepreneur. But a lot of times Step and 421 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 3: I've heard them talk to Tory MPs about Richie Sunac's 422 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: wealth and they do always say he can't help being 423 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 3: rich or who he's married. 424 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 2: I say, certainly something that is coming back to haunt 425 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: him time and again. At the Times has another's stories 426 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: saying the clamp down on liability driven investment funds after 427 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: or says there is a clamp down on liability driven 428 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 2: investment funds after the mini budget rapped. 429 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: So listen, this story, really, Alex comes after do you 430 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: remember casting your mind back to September when we had 431 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 3: that complete guilt fiasco. So yesterday the Financial Conduct Authority 432 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: set out tougher guidance for companies operating liability driven investments. Now, 433 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: these liability driven investment funds or aldis, are a type 434 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: of a non bank financial institution also known as shadow banks, 435 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 3: and they often use to describe everything from a hedge 436 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: fund to a pension scheme. Now, the funds industry was 437 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: at the center of this meltdown that completely gripped the 438 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: pension scheme during Liz Truss's very short lived time in government. 439 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: So some pension funds which use LDI funds to manage portfolio, 440 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: we're just thrown into complete turmoil after the mini budget. 441 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: So basically this story talks about the FCA and they 442 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: clamp down on ldis and why this tougher guidance coming 443 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: in after that guilt fiasco in September. 444 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 445 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 446 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 447 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 448 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 449 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 450 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 451 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: Amazon Alexa devices. Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 452 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 12: I'm Alex Webb and. 453 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm Stephen Carroll. Join us again tomorrow morning for all 454 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: the news you need to start your day right here 455 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg day Break Europe