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Speaker 2: rating and comment, Yeah, you know what I was talking

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Speaker 2: to the real estate agent and Houston because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at them cribs and usting and stuff right right,

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Speaker 2: and we got to talking about it. Is that one

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Speaker 2: thing I heard about Houston you gotta be careful of

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Speaker 2: from Texas period is they got these big, old pretty

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Speaker 2: houses for cheap.

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Speaker 3: But I heard that there's something going on with.

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Speaker 2: Property taxes right where the property taxes go up damn

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Speaker 2: there like every year, like every time you get equity

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Speaker 2: on the house, they go up, and it's like they're

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Speaker 2: real all right. Like I heard one party was telling

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Speaker 2: me his property taxes twenty three hundred dollars a month, right,

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Speaker 2: And I said, and he said, his mortgage is now

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Speaker 2: his mortgage is twenty six hundred. But it's property taxes

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Speaker 2: twenty three hundred, right a year or a month, a month,

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Speaker 2: a month?

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Speaker 3: Ain't that crazy? Yeah, that's somebody dad before.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what the thing about the whole thing

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Speaker 2: bothers me. It brought property taxes period. Is the same

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Speaker 2: problem I got with taxes.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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Speaker 2: You go buy a car, you pay tax one time

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Speaker 2: on the right. You go buy a shirt, you pay

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Speaker 2: taxes one time on everything else except a damn house.

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Speaker 2: You're paying them people year over year of taxes, right,

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Speaker 2: Like my taxes rolled into my mortgage.

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Speaker 3: Right. But I thought about that one day. I said, Man,

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Speaker 3: that gotta be kind of criminal, yeah, because what they're

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Speaker 3: what are they?

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Speaker 1: You know, you're paying property taxes, but you own the property, right,

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Speaker 1: you own the property. So if you own yeah, because

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Speaker 1: they're saying we still own that, and.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: They might as well say you're paying a tax for

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Speaker 2: to own that land over there, because tax they gonna

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Speaker 2: come take it.

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Speaker 3: From you exactly.

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Speaker 2: So that's some gangster ship. Like, the whole thing about

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Speaker 2: taxes is some gangster ship.

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Speaker 3: Broke.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear if you went and bought a

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Speaker 1: house and this is your house and whatever whatever in

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Speaker 1: the long run. If you don't pay us that property tax,

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Speaker 1: then we can take your shit. So and the crazy

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Speaker 1: shit about these you can pay your house off, right,

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Speaker 1: you still got to pay that property tax.

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Speaker 2: That's you call yourself doing the right thing at being prepared. Okay, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to pay this mug off. I don't fill

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Speaker 2: into some money. You pay it off. Depending on what

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Speaker 2: two to six thousand dollars a month depending on how

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Speaker 2: much failue that land that house ass. So it's some

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Speaker 2: gangs and stuff. Bro, you really don't own nothing. You

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Speaker 2: really don't own property off rint. That's why a lot

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Speaker 2: of people rent today. Even I watch the news, and motherfuckers,

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Speaker 2: it is better to rent nowadays than to try to

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Speaker 2: buy a home for sure. You know what. The one

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Speaker 2: good thing about it is, we got a lot of

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Speaker 2: nice little penny in there as far as equity. Right,

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Speaker 2: So if I sell this house and move out, the

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Speaker 2: well we do that. We want to stay liquid. We

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Speaker 2: the one thing about California, his dad, But homes have

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Speaker 3: But this is the crazy part about that man.

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Speaker 1: You think that do you think the average nigga will

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Speaker 2: The average nigga man probably is rent this stuff. And

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Speaker 2: if you go buy any property right now, you're twenty

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Speaker 2: owning property is not as easy as people thinking he is,

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Speaker 2: especially people written out the people man, people, especially out

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Speaker 2: here in California. People were staying your shit and not

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then you have to go through the processes

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Speaker 1: An it's a diligent situation. I guess you know we're

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Speaker 1: there when I guess trying to chase the American's dream,

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Speaker 1: But for some average person, you know, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: especially you're on the average you know, salary, and he

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Speaker 3: For me, it was.

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Speaker 2: Worth it because my mortgage happens to be seapret average

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Speaker 3: I had one of those. When I bought my house.

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Speaker 2: You remember, they was giving those predatory loans like you

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Speaker 2: get up. People was getting houses, million dollar houses with

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Speaker 3: Them, right, Yeah, I remember of that phase. A lot

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Speaker 3: of them people lost houses.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I got a loan right from this guy. But I

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Speaker 2: I went and got something I can afford, right, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't buy it based on what I was making

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Speaker 2: That house was six fifty at the time, seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and it was going up. Right, Dude, was gonna let

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Speaker 2: me move in with no money down? Man, I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: putting nothing down. My paint was only gonna pee twenty

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Speaker 2: I said, this is gonna be flass, It's gonna be forty.

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Speaker 2: My wife kept saying, man, you know I still got

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Speaker 2: to go to work alone beach right, because I'm not

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Speaker 2: to put some money down because the one win.

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Speaker 3: And my wife had told me all this was gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: Stuff the wand up.

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Speaker 2: So when we found this house, she liked it and

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Speaker 2: we gonna put some money down to knock our payments

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Speaker 2: down and lip it right. We didne put a whole

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Speaker 2: I got some work done to it, got some recess

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Speaker 2: that my wife did what she did and not listen

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Speaker 3: Man was losing their houses left and right.

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Speaker 2: Man, the big pretty houses they had, they was buying

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Speaker 2: it a reality to a Fontana, Ontario.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I never I knew a lot of nigga who

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Speaker 3: But fortunately I didn't get into that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I stayed grounded with that because you know,

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Speaker 2: Nobody's ever approached us with no deal that's in the millions.

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Speaker 2: Like that, you feel me? And I wonder all the

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Speaker 2: the money? Because you know, when the thing about a podcast,

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Speaker 2: All of our stuff is based on advertisement. Right, So

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Speaker 2: I think about it. Now, if you somebody like Joe

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Speaker 2: Rogan that put out five episodes a week, right, he

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Speaker 2: When you listen to his show, he got like nine

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm gotta hate there's some brothers out there making good money,

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Speaker 2: Everything is the same podcast that movies because everything equates

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Speaker 3: They made millions of dollars. That was at beginning.

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Speaker 2: Right now, a lot of advertisers, man, they don't want

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Speaker 2: They just advertise on it somebody getting hit from the

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Speaker 2: They don't want the same thing. Podcast stuff. They don't

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Speaker 2: I know Charlotte Maaine and those guys are making money.

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Speaker 2: But again, the Breakfast Club is on five days a week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in this day and age, you know, coming

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Speaker 3: The gang stars and the shit. Right, so you knew.

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Speaker 3: They wasn't a thing to see a royalty check unless.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was the artist because as artists we

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Speaker 3: What you made as far as contractually. So if you.

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Speaker 1: probably weren't seeing nobody after your budget, right, That's what

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Speaker 3: But today, like you say, you see, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Nigga's got thirty cars and they driveway, and you go, okay,

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Speaker 1: but in actuality and the only sold two million records, right,

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Speaker 3: Records, right, and really don't selling no records?

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Speaker 2: You have with the equivalent of was of a million

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Speaker 1: And so you get to look at and question him

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Speaker 3: He got thirty cars in his driveway, and.

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Speaker 1: You like, well you learn I got thirty houses and whatever.

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Speaker 1: You okay, but you just you know, you a regular artist,

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Speaker 1: Accomplish from streaming and putting our records, and I know

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Speaker 1: it ain't you know, billion dollars, you feel me?

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Speaker 2: So, so think about this, bro Right, we come from

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Speaker 2: the era where we actually sold CDs, right, it was

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Speaker 2: we Come FRep maybe sold two million copies maybe Okay.

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Speaker 2: So let's say after the manufacturing and everything like that,

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Speaker 3: And then Yeah, because you worked in that department.

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Speaker 1: And I want it down because once you though independent,

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Speaker 2: Because they so you got to break it down like that. Right,

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Speaker 2: They have a manufacturing cost, but they never was going

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Speaker 1: Somebody like Shawney or Universal, they were their own manufacturer,

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Speaker 2: So they probably got a pressing plan. This probably cost

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Speaker 2: a deal with Red follow of their warehouse and say, okay,

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Speaker 1: Always they always tried to in like that first two

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine or nine ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: The first week, we're gonna give you this motherfucker for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, violence might say, okay, that's a good deal, but

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Speaker 2: check this out. I'm going to buy five hundred thousand copies.

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Speaker 2: She can only return twenty percent of them racally. So

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy five hundred thousand copies knowing that, Okay,

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Speaker 2: if it don't sell, she can only send me maybe

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Speaker 2: eight sixty thousand the motherfuckers back, right, So the labeled

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Speaker 2: on one right, because they only pay Remember they only

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Speaker 2: so they concerned fire the album already because they know that's.

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Speaker 2: Because let's say they did the same thing with tywer

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Speaker 2: I was able to go to Japan and get seven dollars, right,

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Speaker 2: I was able to sell it to them for seven dollars, right,

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Speaker 2: but that was seven dollars cod. So if I shipped

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Speaker 3: Right? So before that you can take pfession. Y'all got

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Speaker 3: When I went to England.

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Speaker 2: you six dollars a record. You got some CDs, bring

440
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: them over here. It was paid in that era. Now

441
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: I don't see how they're doing it. Everybody has to

442
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: have three sixty now, I don't care who you are.

443
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: They have to get part of that touring. They have

444
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 2: to get part of them version Dice, and they have

445
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: to get the part of all you other stuff. Don't

446
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: get me wrong, it's money being made, right, but they

447
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 2: gotta get a piece of that tour. And they're not

448
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: gonna give you five six million dollars and just let

449
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: you skate off or.

450
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: We gonna get ours back on the streaming. No, we

451
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 3: need some of that show money. Now. We're gonna help

452
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: you do it.

453
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 1: In a way.

454
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: It's not a bad deal because you know they gonna

455
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: help pick your book.

456
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fortunately I never went through that side of it

457
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 1: because Sonny just was all just records, So you didn't

458
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: have to do that.

459
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't have.

460
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: To give up show money and merchandise and all that

461
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: type of shit. So if I wanted to go out

462
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: and press up from MC shirts and sell them, that

463
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: was my shit.

464
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 3: If I was on.

465
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: Tour and we were selling h camped and hats or whatever,

466
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: that was my shit. Five book shows and whatever. I

467
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: didn't have to give the label or percentage of that.

468
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: But you know some niggas do that, especially when you

469
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: are a big Indy, can't.

470
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of them want a piece of everything,

471
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: even you does today. You cannot convince me because I

472
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: know the game.

473
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: I don't care who you were, and this is not

474
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: or not because these brothers still making a lot of money.

475
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 2: Right if you are one, Let's say you what Drake, right,

476
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: A universal's probably giving him ten million dollars fifteen million

477
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: every album, right, and he's going out doing all this

478
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: tourn He's still making a lot of money, right, but

479
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: it's off of the shows and stuff. Those are his

480
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: business partners. They're in the business of Drake. They get

481
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: to participate in anywhere a dollar is made.

482
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure when you get to the level of

483
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: being advanced, you know millions of dollars, the label or

484
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: the distributor is looking for more ownership or partnership, which

485
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, instead of because that's basically how you getting

486
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: all that. You know, that's fobb behind A lot of

487
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: them get that bread because the labels have turned around

488
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: and said they wanted to be partners. So I'm gonna

489
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: go ahead and fronts you ten, fifteen, twenty million because

490
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: and then we gonna get that back, like you said,

491
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: because those they have those contract structure to where I'm

492
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: getting piece of the show. I'm getting piece of the merchandise.

493
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm getting a piece of this and that. And with

494
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Internet and streaming works and all that, I'm pretty

495
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: sure for them to go and I'm going to advance

496
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: you twenty million.

497
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 3: I gotta get a piece of the part.

498
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: You feel good, like, without a doubt, if I was

499
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: a rapper right now, I got a young dude man.

500
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: I sent them to you know that little rocking kid

501
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: I sent you. Yeah, that little motherfucker is tight. Ain't

502
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: he got some motion right now? Like he's doing some stuff,

503
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: get all that on his own, figured out some stuff,

504
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: doing good. My big part about it is he can

505
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: wrap you feel what I'm saying, reps very well as

506
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: if my son brought him to me, been telling me

507
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: about it. I wasn't paying no attention. When I finally listening,

508
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 2: I said, Okay, I sent them to my boy at

509
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: death Sam. He hit me back immediately, and you know

510
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 2: how they do. They don't hit you with no excitement.

511
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: You know what, I ain't really doing no albums right now,

512
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: but we can do something on the single, you know,

513
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: we go want the rights for that all that, right,

514
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: And so I'm thinking that my head, like, we ain't

515
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: going that route because if I was to take him

516
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: over there, I figure back in two thousand and five,

517
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, you were probably able to get

518
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand on a single deal right with the.

519
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: Option for an album, and you could probably negotiate.

520
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, if I don't put an album out within a

521
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: year or two years, I get to walk away and skate, right. Mind,

522
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: if anything I might have recorded over there, you can't

523
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: take none of that music with you, right, or if

524
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: you got some buzzs, you can negotiate different. I explained

525
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: to him like this, I said, listen, this is how

526
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: this looks, and ultimately it's up to you, right, But

527
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: this is what I advised. I advise for us to

528
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 2: set up you a label, your own label, because you've

529
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: got a little bit of motion, right, right, Let's take

530
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: you up an independent label and I'm going to go

531
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: out and start getting you some shows. Right, you don't

532
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: develop the nice little audience now these shows we're gonna

533
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: start off. You might start off getting five hundred dollars

534
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: a show. You may wind up getting six fifty show. Right,

535
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: That's just how it is at the beginning, right, But

536
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: it's going to allow you to do your craft and.

537
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: You go see your stream of revenue, your YouTube money.

538
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: And now I don't have to make no phone calls

539
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: because if we come with the right Amounu momentum, they're

540
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: going to call us.

541
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: Now.

542
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna beat no calls about no single deals

543
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: for no twenty thirty thousand dollars. They gonna be talking about, Hey,

544
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 2: we want to partner up with your label. You may

545
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: get some overhead money, you may get this, but you're

546
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: in the same situation. But the only thing is they're

547
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: loaning you some money. It's a bank. The record label

548
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: is a bank, right, but you have hence then they

549
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: want you to come now. Man, if you're a record

550
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: label right now and you a new artist, I don't

551
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: care how good you rep. You gotta come with one

552
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand on your Instagram.

553
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: You have to.

554
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: You're doing so much in your streaming, right, you have

555
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: to be pretty much all ready to go. They don't

556
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 2: want to, and they don't have nobody like me working

557
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: at the label.

558
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: No more to where else you labels, labels got out

559
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: going out looking for that next you know, superstar. You

560
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: know back in the days, you know, there were talent shows,

561
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: there were showcases.

562
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: You give me.

563
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: You gotta get on that plane, and you gotta get

564
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: on that road, and you gotta go to the games

565
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: and you gotta You know, nowadays, if it's they won't

566
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: ready made, they won't ready made.

567
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: Situations, right, got it being made already.

568
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: You gotta have your Twitter set up, you gotta have

569
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: your Instagram, You gotta have a certain amount of followers.

570
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: You gotta be doing a certain around them. Numbers are

571
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: on youtune because then they look at that and go shop.

572
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: We don't have to do anything. You still a gamble.

573
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: We don't have tot with it. All we need to

574
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: do is get this sewing out and maybe go to

575
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: radio or enforce it on the motherfucker. But all that

576
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: other shit we used to have to do, get out

577
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: there with posters and hitting clubs and promo tours.

578
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 3: And we don't have to do that shit anymore.

579
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: We expect the artists to have his black form already

580
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: set up and then that's when we come in and go, Okay,

581
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: you got a million followers on Twitter, you got one

582
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: hundred and something thousand on Instagram, you got a million

583
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: or two million views on the video you put out.

584
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: We Yeah, you know they're ready made.

585
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Do it, and I'll tell you to say it part

586
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: of fun it. A lot of people won't tell these

587
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: kids too. For I said, no, it don't sound that

588
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: sexy you're seeing I'm signed to death jam.

589
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 3: But if you.

590
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 2: Start label, Look, I truly believe that with my noow

591
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: and with your talent, we can build something that, if

592
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: nothing else, turns into a sustainable career for you to

593
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: where because you're gonna get better and you're gonna start

594
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,239
Speaker 2: selling more and more records. The more you tour, the

595
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: more you go do something. This still comes down to

596
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: one thing. If you're a rapper, you got to go

597
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: out and touch the people. You gotta go on the road. Bro,

598
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: you can't be a rapper and stay at home.

599
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

600
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: Like I said, fortunately, a lot of the younger generation,

601
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: it's hard to experience.

602
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: That like we used to.

603
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Like I said, we you know, we went through our

604
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: and I'm one of the niggas who came from that era.

605
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: You know, I don't believe I influenced.

606
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: What I would like to say is that I spoke

607
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: on situations where niggas had choices and you knew that

608
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: going down that lifestyle might bleed to.

609
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: Going to jail or being killed or whatever.

610
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: I never tried to glorify growing up in that lifestyle

611
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: like it's fabricated today, like oh, it's banging and all

612
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: that shit. So a lot of the young niggas they

613
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: beef a lot. You know, you see it, you witness it,

614
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: you hear it. They don't get the experience step going

615
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: out and touching the public because they got opts everywhere.

616
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: You get me, it's hard for me to go set

617
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: up an autograph signing at a spot where nowadays niggas

618
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: post and Instagram and live view every day. So you

619
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: try to go set up an autograph sign it yopsies

620
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: on their way. You give me because you've been beefing

621
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: with a nigga over the rap waves for the last

622
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, and it's so simplified today.

623
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Because beef beef nay beef.

624
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: Had its had its heritage of being you know, we

625
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: had our beef with other neighborhoods and that type of

626
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: shit whatever whatever. Where the hip hop got established, the

627
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: beefs came behind feeling that you was just a better

628
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: rapper than that other nigga. Yeah, then the dude with

629
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: nigga you wear red, I wear blue, or you over

630
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: here or fucked you or I don't like it wasn't

631
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: like you know, it was nigga, I'm good on the

632
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: mic you give me. That was sort of the beef thing.

633
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: And then we entered because of the trailings of game

634
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Bang and all of that. But beefing was established to

635
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: me just off of nigga my flow and my rap

636
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: is better than yours. That's why I used to try

637
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to discourage, you know. And for Hawaii used to tell

638
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: me he wanted to try to rap and whatever, and

639
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: I would discourage him from that because you fit into

640
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: that mold of the young niggas.

641
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: Now this dame's being a reference.

642
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: If you just put out a saw talking about you

643
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: and your boys, and it's gonna be a nigga from

644
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: cross Town, they go fuck y'all, fuck you niggas, And

645
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: now he going fuck them niggas over there, and this

646
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: new rappering garand nigga and who the fuck you dake?

647
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: You was in Yalls and Busters and all that, and

648
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: a nigga ain't never met you in his life or whatever.

649
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: It's so it's so simple Jahl's murderous intentions from other niggasse.

650
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, these niggas just not like, Okay, nigga, let's

651
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: battle rap or let's lead up out of it.

652
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 3: We're trying to shoot stuff up.

653
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: These niggas is like, oh we were battling, we wrap.

654
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: Oh nigga, okay it, I'm gonna come through and I'm

655
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: gonna shoot up you, your grandma. I'm gonna shoot up

656
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: whoever you with whatever. Damn nigga are sets don't be where,

657
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: ain't even from th set.

658
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: Nigga.

659
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm just on YouTube rapping, and now I've got an

660
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: opposition telling me fuck me because he don't feel that

661
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: the nigger across town and rap head. And that's how

662
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: we That's how I'm express my not liking your shit.

663
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, nigga, i'mnna come to do a

664
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: spray you nigga.

665
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Wook you bro?

666
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: And then niggas is so durn nowadays that when a

667
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: nigga get on the microphone and YouTube and tell the nigga, nigga,

668
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: give me your location. I'm gonna pull up and spray.

669
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: Every day niggas turn around and go, nigga, we over here. So,

670
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: like I said, it's unfortunate because I promo too. Like

671
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: you said, like nigga, like it's like politics and campaigning.

672
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: You trying to win that spot, right, So you gotta

673
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: get out and shake the hands and kiss the babies.

674
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: And that's what we be in my era of being able,

675
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Like you said, you got to get to the people.

676
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: We were able to get to the peep I was.

677
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: I was able to go to record stores and it

678
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: was two three hundred people lined up around the corner

679
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: just to get an autograph picture. You get me, And

680
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: that's what you need. By me meeting the people and

681
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: getting out and whatever.

682
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: We got to go out there with them.

683
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 2: Because now I'm pretty sure when you did them tourists,

684
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: if you got paid at all, what was you getting

685
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 2: maybe five hundred dollars maybe a thousand.

686
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: Getting paid from Thromo tour money?

687
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: What certainly wasn't giving us no money to go to

688
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: I took to send us to different states to promote

689
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: our record. With your sellest record, get paid. They gave

690
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: us per diem and for everything. But as far as

691
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: unless it was a show hooked up. Now, when I

692
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: would do promo tours and had.

693
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: A show behind it, then yeah, we.

694
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: Go to town, We go to the label, meet all

695
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: the people at the label, and you know, like we

696
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: pull up in Texas, we go to Dallas.

697
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna go to the label.

698
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to the corporate office in Dallas, meet

699
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: all the corporate people. Then they gonna take us to lunch,

700
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna throw us in the band and

701
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit every fucking record store on they motherfucking

702
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: one stop list, and we're gonna go to Mom and

703
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: Pops here, and we're gonna go to Judy's Records here,

704
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: and we're gonna go to stands over here. All day.

705
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: That's all we're gonna do is hit me. It was

706
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: the days though, Man, We're gonna hit record stores and

707
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: radio stations. That's what we did all day.

708
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: You as big as Chicago, bro, Do you remember ever

709
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: going to Georgia's record run.

710
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: We went to Georgia's all the time's. Georgia's was a

711
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: significant spot on your promo list. So if you were

712
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: an artist during that time and you were signed to

713
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: death Jam, Eppic, Universal, solely, any of those labels, you

714
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: went to Georgia's Music Grow, I would give a fun

715
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: if you was rapper or R and B singer or

716
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: whatever records out there. Yeah, because there were certain spot

717
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: Like I said that, every two years I released the record,

718
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: I went back to the same record stores because they

719
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: were maying staples to these labels.

720
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: You know, they were pushing out major records.

721
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Remember before best Buy and all them what it was

722
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: best Buy and all them people cats out of business, right,

723
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: they start selling records for eight ninety nine, right, yeah, yeah,

724
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: And it's crazy to think, you know how that corporate

725
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: structure took over because growing up as a kid, all

726
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: you can remember was those local mom and pop records.

727
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: You have records on the West Coast.

728
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: You had George's Record Ring in Chicago, you had Dolls

729
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: Record Rapid Creations in Cleveland, you had you know, people.

730
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: Had multiple changes. Like it was like me and the.

731
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: Family driving to l A. And I'm going down Western

732
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: and get to Western and I'm like, man, there used

733
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to be a record store on the corner. Lie. It

734
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: was it even even in locals record stores. You know,

735
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: they just had record stores. You money.

736
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: You had a record store, you could make you some money.

737
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: Back in the day, of course.

738
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: You had your you know, your warehouses and your towers

739
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: and your but everything.

740
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: I really didn't shop in those stores to get my music.

741
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: I shopped and there was a v I B on

742
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: Compton Boulevard that I went to as a kid, and

743
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: then Paramount swapped.

744
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: Me to get my twelve inches.

745
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy what you say we with VFP.

746
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 3: Did you go to in compon?

747
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: You said a Rose Crans some comfortable move on over there,

748
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: you know appisodes people used to own that spot. I

749
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: used to live right away in the corner from there,

750
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 2: when I used to live in a neighborhood called Palmer Block,

751
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: and it was a VIP right all come and right

752
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 2: across the street from the toe yard where police used

753
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: tow your car.

754
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: In the same thing. And so when I got into rap,

755
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe around ten and eleven, I used to

756
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: take them.

757
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: I used to go up there and I.

758
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: Used to just fumble through the records and I remember

759
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: the first time I was able to buy a record.

760
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: I bought it out of that record store. Yeah, because

761
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: you know what, did you know Kleenus Anderson.

762
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know them, but I knew them because once

763
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I started rapping and putting out records, I would always

764
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: visit the VIP for autograph secdays.

765
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna tell you what's funny, right, how stuff worked?

766
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: The and you had Cleavius Cleaveus on the punch him.

767
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: You had calv and uh you had car Yeah, you

768
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: had he had another brother. He owned the store. I

769
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: forget his name. He owned the store on watch. I

770
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: used to mess with him like that was my boy, right.

771
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: I remember he gave me a CD Dog app So

772
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: when that nigga was like thirteen and he said, man,

773
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: you need you got to hear my nephew.

774
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: He had a song where they have flipped up.

775
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: Never can say goodbye girl to Michael Jackson. You know

776
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: who made the beat sound Way sound Way. There was

777
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 2: little Kids, the producer for Kendrick and now the producer stuff.

778
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: You're the producer, right, And I had that demo Dog

779
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: and I might still have that demo some works. It

780
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: was to this day probably the best demo I ever

781
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: heard from a little kid, like from a dude that

782
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: was like a young He was really polished, man. He

783
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: was really polished, and he grew up in because he

784
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: grew up in the record business. He grew up working

785
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: behind the counter and them stores, so he probably imitated.

786
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: I thought he sounds a lot like jay ZN. I

787
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: think it was a dude conrap though. He sounded a

788
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: lot like jay Z And I'm pretty sure he was

789
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: just mimicking who he looked up to, maybe the Nass

790
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: and the jay Z's and stuff. But he was a

791
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: little kid man and it was just like them era.

792
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: That era would never be here again. I told Glasses

793
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: the other day, I said, Man, I kind of feel

794
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: sorry for y'all cats man. That came in kind of

795
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: and it came after the ninety five Dog because y'all

796
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: never got to really experience what it was like to

797
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: be an artist, right y'all, y'all don't go when you

798
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: took that component out and going to the record stores. Man,

799
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: I remember Big A had a had a shopping He

800
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: had a record store in comp Yep Underworld Music, Underworld Records, right.

801
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: I remember that's how me and Big A got cool

802
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: because I had a record store. I had a record store.

803
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: He had convinced me to open up a record store

804
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: in Paramount, right, So I had won a paramount off

805
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: of Rosecrans. We had an association of about like nine

806
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: or ten record stores and we got the labels. They

807
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: start paying for advertising space and stuff like, and it

808
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: was pretty good. Like I didn't make a lot of

809
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: money of my record store because they were small, but

810
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: I got that record store to where I was making

811
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: product about it grand a month back then, after I

812
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: paid for everything, after I paid for my workers, I

813
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: sold a few beaters in their dog. It was just

814
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: that time right in up. I remember Dog big A

815
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: said come down to the store.

816
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 3: I went down there.

817
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: He would have all the retailers cash money stayed in

818
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 2: the back of that dude's store for like a week,

819
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: because you know, he had to back with the colleges

820
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: and stuff you can every day for a week and

821
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: little Wayne and be over the.

822
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: Plane of things.

823
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: He was a little kid playing a game basically back there,

824
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: smoking wig. They was just in town going to go promote.

825
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: That's what they did back then. Them dudes was out

826
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: in Compton hanging out.

827
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

828
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: I could do that though, especially being our independent label,

829
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: not not be in a second, because it was everything

830
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: to be signed. You get me here down today, or

831
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: nigga be like there, fuck that, I'm independent, I'll put

832
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: our own ship on whatever, whatever. But you didn't. You

833
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of that. You know, a lot

834
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 1: of niggas didn't have the knowledge to do it, or

835
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: if they did, they didn't reach the status.

836
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: Uh of these new independents.

837
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: You give me like I said, you had early independence

838
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: rolling in all around this motherfucker and those were the

839
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: second wave, so to speak.

840
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 3: It when we want to.

841
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: See you got to look at it, like, look at

842
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: the early independent label on niggas. They never reached that

843
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: type of status. You give me like, I don't know

844
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: if if if if the line zones and the unknowns

845
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: and the probably the probably Like look at the tds,

846
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: look at the death rows, look at the bad boys,

847
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: look at the cash money's, look at the no limits them.

848
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: Niggas was independent and was sitting there four or five,

849
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: six hundred million dollars. I don't think the early independent cats. Wait,

850
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: he reached that status.

851
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: You get it, know what I'm gonna tell you, man,

852
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: And this passed the statual limitations. Yet, See the thing was, man,

853
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: he had yay money, right, so he was able to

854
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: move around and do certain things right.

855
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, he had he got there was niggas wasn't stupid.

856
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: If you was a nigga nigga, you was like, oh,

857
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 1: these niggas is in the streets, like, yeah they could.

858
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: But these niggas he came up.

859
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: Man, you know in California, if you in the bank,

860
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: you ain't able to get something for eight hundred and

861
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: go down to New Orleans and maybe get sixteen hundred

862
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: double your money for it, right, you.

863
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: Could triple your money taking shit back exactly.

864
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: So you know he was doing his thing right.

865
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: And he had enough money to run ads and murder

866
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: dog to run ads in this and they were by

867
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: them being streetcats, like babying them same thing. By them

868
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: being street cats, they didn't mind going to Compton, because

869
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: I swear it went just like this man, them dudes

870
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: was in Compton.

871
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 3: Over big As store.

872
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Maybe a month later I got maybe about four months later,

873
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: I got a mailer.

874
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: Cause you know I used to get this.

875
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: They used to make these samplers of all this upcoming

876
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: stuff for the year they had cash money, had they.

877
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: Own stuff before.

878
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: It would look like a compilation kind of like you

879
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: would get like a snippet of all these new artists

880
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: coming out right. I remember they had Big Timers, had

881
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: BG and Juvenile and I said, Biggie is the homie from.

882
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: The record store. They blowing up. You feel what I'm saying.

883
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: They just signed a big deal, like the one hundred

884
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: million dollars deal with Universe, But they was coming out

885
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: here and hanging out. Them dudes was in the treets though.

886
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: They was shaking hands and kissing babies, you know what

887
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. They were where they had to go.

888
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: They were kind of like the last stretch of that

889
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: generation to where, like you said, you gotta go out

890
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: and shake their hands and kiss the babies like politicians.

891
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: They were sort of like the ending era of that

892
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: because once you hit the mid two thousands and two

893
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: thousands and shit like that.

894
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if niggas was going on from on

895
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: tours anymore. Probably not.

896
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: Man and them dudes, Man, I'm gonna tell you. I

897
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: told somebody the other days. We always talk about death ruined,

898
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: Bad Boy and No Limit Cash Money probably had the

899
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: most successful recollection of all the time. I'm talking about

900
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: as far as independence going not like the death Jams

901
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: and all that.

902
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: But you know, they had a significant land as far

903
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: being a true independent label even though they had the

904
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: backing of Universal, even though but who didn't have the

905
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 1: major label backing when they when when Independence got to

906
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: the two three four hundred million dollar status Ruthless Hattie,

907
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: they had the backing Death Row Hattie, they had the

908
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: backing Pee ended up getting the backing from Priority Cash

909
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: made ended up getting the backing from Universal A bad

910
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: boy had, you know, arister and whatever. They would really

911
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: be significant from the backings of those motherfuckers.

912
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: You know, I remember meeting Jesus what reasonable doubt came

913
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: up they was Independence Dog. I met him up at

914
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: the queenest of them had opened up a one stop.

915
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: They had music merchandise in Murray Park. We used to

916
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: go pick up cites all the Independence stores, right because

917
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: with queenas did As he gave all the Independence stores

918
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: a line of credit. Like I had a line of

919
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: credit up. There wasn't s fifteen hundred dollars, but I

920
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: could take my tools and fuse and put with that

921
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred. Now I'm started up with music. He could

922
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: have had to go buy three or four pieces. I

923
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: can go buy thirty forty CDs and have him behind

924
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 2: the counter and actually be able to put him on

925
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: sale and do some things right, I met him, and

926
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 2: that it's actually a picture my boy Rod might still

927
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: had that. We took a picture with that dude with

928
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt. That's when he had the ain't no nigga

929
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: like the one I got, the one he had with Froxy,

930
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: And I thought I didn't never imagine him being who

931
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: he is now.

932
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: I thought he was cool.

933
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: I said, the dude could rap, and I, you know,

934
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: because I used to hustle, I definitely doug what he

935
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: was talking about back then. You know, I said, this

936
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: dude really turn about some you know some shit, right.

937
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: I appreciated that because he was more street back then,

938
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Before he started coming out

939
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: with Hard Not Life and all that stuff. He learned

940
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: how to make records though he learned. He got with

941
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: Jamain Free and did.

942
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: A lot of niggas get that formula, you know, they

943
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: get that formula to where you know, I guess, you know,

944
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: I gotta get where I'll feel in. But once I

945
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: fit in, I'm finna turn this shit intill some difference.

946
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: You get me because they just have the vision. Now,

947
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: I could stay talking about the dope game and the

948
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: streets and all of that, and then I'll have a

949
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: certain audience, right and I could go pop radio and

950
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: invite everybody to the party. And now you know, not

951
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: only do I got the niggas on the block still

952
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: because I'm still reference hustling.

953
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 3: You get me because that's what backed me here.

954
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw in my little phrases of my trips

955
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: in my hustling days, but the I'm gonna get motherfuckers

956
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: in the body move.

957
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: I feel to change this whole d game aspect to

958
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: the baller game. Yeah, for real, I'm a budget.

959
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: I'm texting Kevin right now to ask him what brother

960
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: what is brother's name was on the vip A.

961
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 3: Whats what you see? Something that was real up for earlier.

962
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: This is what people get confused, Man, I don't care

963
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: whether extremely see what this computer era donet got these

964
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: kids fucked up. That is, they think they don't have

965
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: to go on the streets no more. They think everything

966
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: begin and end on here. You've still got to quarter

967
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: and touch the people.

968
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: Though.

969
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: If you not pressing the people dogs, you ain't gonna win.

970
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, that's how a lot of them end up

971
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: losing their lives or get shot or some of their

972
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: people get shot. Because at the end of the day,

973
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: you're an artist, right m hmm, somebody's gonna book you

974
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: for a show or an event or a meet and

975
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: greet or something, because at the end of the day,

976
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: you're proclaiming that you're a artist. And even though you

977
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: beefing with ops and talking shit, there's some music that

978
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: some of these motherfuckers love.

979
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: So as a.

980
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Promoter, as or whatever, as at a thing, I can

981
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: try to book a nigg Now do I know a

982
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: nigga all old record talking crazy and I'm gonna shoot

983
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: up the option nigga, fuck y'all.

984
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: But as a promoter, fucking he can take that chance.

985
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: Now, it's unfortunate because you in that situation, as this

986
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: new generational artist touching the people, might end up in

987
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: somebody losing their life because you're not.

988
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: Gonna want to back down.

989
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: You give me, it's three of us and it's fifty

990
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: of them, So maybe we shouldn't go to the club tonight.

991
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: That's on my head that they have the mentality like

992
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I'm a young knidiy and

993
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: you only live once, and we pull him up and

994
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: we're going to get the whole needs and whatever. And

995
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: so that's how unfortunate you You.

996
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 3: You can't live your life as a true artist.

997
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: You get me when you're beating with me, your direction is,

998
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, we hear the music, we see what goes

999
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: on in this streets and the videos, and you know

1000
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: where it's dangerous and all of that. And it's unfortunate

1001
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: because even though they want to mention that niggas like

1002
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: me from my era influence these kids today to be that.

1003
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 1: And I never told niggas to beef with each other

1004
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: on record. That's some of the dumbest shit that you

1005
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: could do. Right, at the end of the day, you

1006
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: was an artist. I want everybody to buy my music,

1007
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: So I don't want to alienate the niggas who live

1008
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: on you know, one hundred dous a thousandth streets. So

1009
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to avi eight eight niggas from not

1010
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: buying my music, right because at the end of the day,

1011
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: you want everybody to buy your shit, right, It's real.

1012
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: That's time you come up as an artist, right.

1013
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you not trying to death nor kind of Hendrick

1014
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: didn't come out and go.

1015
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm only fnna make music for the blood. You get

1016
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: me boot now. Now, that could have been the direction,

1017
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: right because shout out beasts to my nigga j Rock,

1018
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: but Jay Rock claimed you give me, so there might

1019
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: be there.

1020
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: I love some j Ro bang j Rock all day.

1021
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: There might be some young niggas who feel because they're

1022
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: trying to prove their worth to their block. I can't

1023
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: bang no j Rock because he from the other side, right, mh.

1024
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: But that's who my nigga is, That's who he weapons,

1025
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: that's who he is. You get me as opposed to

1026
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: like he knew. This is my direction of what I'm

1027
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm an artist direct and to rap on anything but nigga.

1028
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: It's the who you feel me as opposed to Kendrick right.

1029
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: M associate with everyone. I love where I'm from, I

1030
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: love where I grew up, where I'm from, but I

1031
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: just don't want my music to reflect where what side

1032
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm from because I'm claiming content, right, But I want

1033
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: to be content. I don't want it to just be

1034
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: like like a screen is split here. I just don't

1035
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: want it to be here. You don't want it.

1036
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: And when y'all did that record, he reached out to you.

1037
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: Didn't it right because to the wedding God game on

1038
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: the record to the wedding got quick on the record.

1039
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: You know, I have J Cole Records and whatever or whatever, but.

1040
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: It shows versatility when you speak to just be an artist,

1041
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: and that's where I tried to come. Unfortunately, you know,

1042
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: our situation were quick and then all fortune. But I

1043
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: never wanted to just get prints over here, and he

1044
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: fucked that, like you already got that from me just

1045
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: growing up or whatever or whatever. When I started rapping,

1046
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: like shit, I didn't want to just be the gangster

1047
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: shit because it turned around and gon do a song

1048
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: with Gangstar. It turned around it will do a song

1049
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: with Rednck. You turn around and go do a song

1050
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: with Pete Rock. So I don't want to consider myself

1051
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: just the neighborhood type of rap, even though I'm pounding

1052
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: on whatever. Like I said, are SA fortunate because a

1053
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: lot of the homies now, the young niggas who rap

1054
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: the first thing you see when you turn on their

1055
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: YouTube video day in the hood, and then the crossings

1056
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: out and then they got the colors on and whatever.

1057
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the riverhood is the major part. The streets is

1058
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: always gonna be in it.

1059
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't down it because I

1060
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: was one of those niggas. But as you mature as

1061
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: an artist, you're gonna see that claiming the neighborhood and

1062
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: rapping about the hood and beef with the niggas and

1063
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: I pull the stripe on the nigga. You gonna see

1064
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: down the long run, that's not gonna get you too

1065
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: much work. They right, because I still go new shows, nigga.

1066
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm over fifty. I still get bookings every other month.

1067
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: I love it.

1068
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: I am fortunate that my songs didn't reflect a lot

1069
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: of just this the welood shit, right. My songs reflect

1070
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: their struggle. So I could I could go do it.

1071
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: I could go do all of the money. Because all

1072
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: of the money, they ain't talking about where you from

1073
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: and where you're from, and we critsing we blood, I'm

1074
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 1: talking about nigga. We trying to do what we can

1075
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: do to get the money. You know, let me ask

1076
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: you something.

1077
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 2: Eight we talking about this right when King Vaughan first

1078
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 2: came out, he had a big buzz, right you because

1079
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: you named one of his songs from when he first

1080
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: came up.

1081
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: I didn't name that Nigga's songs, but I could probably

1082
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: hear his ship because I had a young kid in

1083
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: that and I knew.

1084
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 2: The Crazy Night record that he's telling the story about

1085
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: something happened, you know what I'm saying, nine and I

1086
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: got my nine and he got his mind, you know

1087
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: where he was rapping like that all right before.

1088
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: I heard that record, Dog, I heard about him that

1089
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 3: he was killing people. That's crazy to me, right right,

1090
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 3: And hain't no sexual limitations on the murder murder ring.

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00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: I heard about that too, So, like I said, it's

1092
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: crazy how it's unfortunate that a lot of our young

1093
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: generation of artists popularity stems from a lot of bullshit,

1094
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: you get me.

1095
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: I think he wouldn't go with that. He got killed, dog.

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00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: At a lot of young artists today. And it's crazy

1097
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: because you know, we sort of knew back in our day,

1098
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: like Easy Guy and Man, you know, jam Master Jay,

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00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: and but if you look at right now, it's a

1100
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: hundred motherfucking little young rappers who done died and got

1101
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: killed on just beef and shit, like who you.

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00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: Don't think he had to get involved with this business though,

1103
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: like I kept my sons for away.

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00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: Can tell you so before we end this, and I

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00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: was discussing this today, it's very fortunate that we got

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00:57:54,200 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: to the fathers to our saints, because man, I know

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00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: a lot of young men right now, and I llure

1108
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: a lot of young men being a coach and coming up.

1109
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: A lot of boys go astray when their fathers not

1110
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: princon Real. It's it's a real and no disrespect to

1111
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: you mothers out there, because it's a hard job.

1112
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: Trying to raise kids.

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00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: On your own. Today. It's very unfortunate when a father

1114
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: is not present in the household. And I'm not talking

1115
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: about you know, a dad coming by the week ends

1116
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: and that type or whatever whatever. It is very fortunate

1117
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: if you're able to raise your son in the household,

1118
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: because it makes a whole difference of who my son

1119
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: is as opposed to the kids that I know he

1120
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: could have been given me.

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00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 3: And just because I at.

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00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: That time, you know, me and his mama was that

1123
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, we were cool, but we wasn't like, oh,

1124
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, we shouldn't get married and we're just all

1125
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: in love and it was just it was it was

1126
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: it was a little bit more than that. But you know,

1127
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: but I had decided that at that moment we probably

1128
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: be to try to be a family unit BECAUSELS it

1129
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: would be so significant and change that she gets to feed.

1130
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: Family present.

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01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: As long as I don't know, you, you always got

1132
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: along really good with like you know, you always got

1133
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: along really good with her. Y'all do a lot of

1134
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 2: stuff together with him, you know, And that was that,

1135
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, that.

1136
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: Was something that I stressed because you know, being a

1137
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: young nigga growing up and they even having kids young,

1138
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: you know, I have my daughters, and it was unfortunate

1139
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: because I was on the I was on a chase,

1140
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, I just got a record deal. Nigga was

1141
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: in nahanhood and you know that was my lifeline. My

1142
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: lifeline was oh shit, and at the show this week,

1143
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: another tour, another this another day. Oh we're back in

1144
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: the studio making another record. Oh they cutting me another check.

1145
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: So fatherhead was nonexistent to me, you feel me. I

1146
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: wentn't seeing my kids and you know, tried to send

1147
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: them to good schools even whatever, and even tried my

1148
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: hand that you know, having my daughter stayed with me

1149
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: at a point, trying to raise them and send them

1150
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: to school. And you know, because once I started rapping

1151
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: and I moved out and got to the big house

1152
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: and you know, and the better neighborhood and all the

1153
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: way out in the heels. You know, I tried to, Okay,

1154
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,919
Speaker 1: let me go get my kids and bring them here,

1155
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: and you know, but unfortunately, you know, the connection with

1156
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: mom and their mothers was already established. So you know,

1157
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: you try it, and they try it, and then the

1158
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: next thing, you never, they want to go back home

1159
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: because that's what they know.

1160
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: You feel me, Yeah, you know, the daughters have a

1161
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: tendency they want to be with their mom.

1162
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: But I just say that, you know, in the last

1163
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: three weeks, I've heard stories of young men who have

1164
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: been astray or young men who have lost their will

1165
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: to do shit that they used to do because they

1166
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: lost the connection with their fathers, their father figures or whatever.

1167
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: And then you look up today and.

1168
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Nothing is what it should be because the fathers have

1169
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: not been bret. And so that's what I was saying,

1170
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: And I was talking to a motherfucker today and just saying,

1171
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: it's very significant.

1172
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: To the stepdaddy. Shout out to all the step daddies

1173
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: who are there raising kids. It ain't there with dad

1174
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: that your dad's real dad. I just want to give

1175
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: it up to niggas who understand that being in your

1176
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 2: son's life, and I'm talking about like on an everyday presence,

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01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: it really makes a difference.

1178
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: I was able to guide my son on the every day.

1179
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: I was able to know his friends, know his activities,

1180
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: you get me, you know. So being able to do

1181
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: that and showing him that love, he's turned out to

1182
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: be a great kid.

1183
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: And if you talk to him, man, I'm gonna tell y'all,

1184
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: some of y'all ever get a chance to meet, they

1185
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: sing he wanted. The most well spoken, humble dude world.

1186
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Always got a smile on his face. He's happy.

1187
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: Oh the kid is happy as a motherfucker. And like

1188
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 3: I said, it's very fortunate.

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01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: So if you can, you dadce man, you know, you

1190
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: know sometimes and I get it because sometimes you know,

1191
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: you might not get along with the mother whatever. But

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01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: I got a great relationship with my son's mom, and

1193
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: so it's not all bad sometimes. But we have dads

1194
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: as fathers. And you got a son out there, man,

1195
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: don't take that shit for granted. You kill me right,

1196
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: try to guide them because like I said, it's hard

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: on the moms to try to raise a son and

1198
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: give them that you just wanted the more for it

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: to turn out right and be a great person, because

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01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: we have to show these young men. A lot of

1201
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: them you are unfortunate, like I said, behind the rap

1202
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: shit and getting killed and thinking that's the lifestyle. And

1203
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: I shaid, I was a young man once myself, and

1204
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was every ding gang banging and selling

1205
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: dope and being in the head and all that.

1206
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, I won't trade it. I

1207
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 3: will trade it for nothing.

1208
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: It gave me the guidance and that taught me a

1209
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: lot of shit growing up in the head and banging

1210
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: for the head. And so that's why I still respect it,

1211
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: and I still have respect for the neighborhood.

1212
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 3: Today, I'm gonna leave everybody with this. King Vong's who

1213
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: he was.

1214
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: His daddy was the hit her too, so I'm pretty

1215
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: sure a lot of the way he acted was him

1216
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: trying to carry on the reputation of his father.

1217
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. I just said it.

1218
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: We are the influences for them, starting from the day

1219
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: they're born to the day whatever.

1220
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 3: Until you check out before them or whatever.

1221
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1222
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 3: You set the example. And if I'd have.

1223
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: Been a nigga just dragged you to the fullish and

1224
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 1: fuck everything, my son would probably be on the phone.

1225
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: Because even if he wouldn't didn't know you like that

1226
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: and heard about you, he would for sure want to

1227
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 2: be like his pups like you.

1228
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: If I was still like all day, number one active

1229
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: and whatever, nigga, I'm going to the hed every week

1230
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, he definitely would be in that

1231
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: reflection because they see you.

1232
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: And so that's what it was.

1233
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1234
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 3: I tried to keep him away from the rap shit.

1235
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: That's why him growing up, he never unders stead when

1236
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: niggas were gonna take pictures with me and they would

1237
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: ask for all the graphs. He thought the shit was

1238
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: weird as a kid, but I kept him away from that.

1239
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: I didn't push that or you know, we'll go recorch

1240
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: and gold records and your dad do this. I kept

1241
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 1: him away from all that shit until he got older enough,

1242
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: just started going, okay, you know, so there is they

1243
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: reflect on what you do. You feel me Like I said,

1244
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: you banging, They probably gonna bang nine times if you

1245
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: out there hustling and serving nine times out of ten,

1246
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: and they gonna pick up all that too, So you

1247
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: just have to change the pattern with the kid, you

1248
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

1249
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: Well, that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast.

1250
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,760
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1251
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,760
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