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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: That's Gorgia Hartstar.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen Kilgareth, I.

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Speaker 2: Can do puppetry.

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Speaker 1: What's happening? Suddenly we are a third host with Karen's

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Speaker 1: hand and a puppet shape.

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Speaker 2: It's my hand that doesn't approve it.

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Speaker 1: Does look that he does have something?

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Speaker 2: Is he?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? His name is Egbert and he looks a little

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Speaker 1: disappointed and he's a little bit disappointed in us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well sorry, how what does it.

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Speaker 1: Mean that your own hand puppet is disappointed in you?

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Speaker 2: It's not good psychologically, little Catholic, little Jewish.

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Speaker 1: Little little woman being a woman.

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Speaker 2: Little woman. Yeah, how's it going? How do you feel

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, my face is a little numb still. I had

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Speaker 1: some done, some dental work.

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Speaker 2: What did you get?

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been going to this adorable like family neighborhood

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Speaker 1: dentist for years. I'm not gonna say what it is.

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Speaker 1: And I love them, and I go regularly. I'm really

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Speaker 1: good at getting my teeth clean and I'm a good

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Speaker 1: girl about it. And then I went to this place

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Speaker 1: a couple months ago, like a month ago. This was

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Speaker 1: a month ago by my house. It's like just closer

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Speaker 1: and a little nicer, and he's like, you have so

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Speaker 1: many fucking issues that this little mom and pop dental

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Speaker 1: place have no technology and don't didn't know about so

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Speaker 1: you're so fucked No.

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Speaker 2: I get a third opinion, though, why he's because.

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Speaker 1: He's showing me photos of my fucking teeth and there's

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Speaker 1: like holes and cracks in them, like cracks in my teeth.

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Speaker 2: And then you go back and check it's actually a florist,

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Speaker 2: and You've been going to a completely wrong place.

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Speaker 1: I've just been on acid every time.

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Speaker 2: Like that's so weird.

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Speaker 1: There's a kedemy dream, Georgia. You have been to the

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Speaker 1: dentist in ten fucking.

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Speaker 2: Years, ketymine dream, Like you take kety and you're like,

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Speaker 2: you know what I need to do to the.

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Speaker 1: And I go to the dentist. In my mind, I've

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Speaker 1: been like this ked ofmy doesn't work, but like, but

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Speaker 1: I love.

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Speaker 2: This dentist and his wife and his daughter. Then you're

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Speaker 2: suddenly like, why is there a family at this dentist office? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why is there a child working on my teeth?

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Speaker 1: I don't think I trust her, but whatever.

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Speaker 2: Well whatever, if that's how you guys need to.

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Speaker 1: Gentle, nothing's wrong with me, so I guess something's wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's covered, so I get so proud of myself.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very sorry about this news because you

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Speaker 2: know that I know about dental issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but tough. No, it sucks and it feels

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Speaker 1: so old. I feel old. It makes me feel old,

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Speaker 1: like suddenly, like your teeth are just old now, and

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Speaker 1: they're only going to get older and fall out and

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Speaker 1: fall out and crunchier and breakier. And you grind your

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Speaker 1: teeth like it's only get to get worse. It's going

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Speaker 1: to get worse.

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Speaker 2: And I think about that every time I bite my

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Speaker 2: cheek while I'm eating like a animal, right, which I

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Speaker 2: do so often. Worse, eat your own cheek.

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Speaker 1: Did we tell everyone on the recording podcast about my

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Speaker 1: mom not having a too?

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Speaker 2: I don't think we can. That's a big easter egg

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Speaker 2: for the future.

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Speaker 1: Can we leave that in?

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Speaker 2: I think so?

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Speaker 1: Probably right.

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Speaker 2: They can't get us, come at us, they can't get

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Speaker 2: us from here, Come.

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Speaker 1: At us, big dentel, fucking don't give a shit. We'll

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Speaker 1: say it, we'll say it all.

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Speaker 2: But you know what's hard about dentists remind me a

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Speaker 2: lot of hair stylists, where if you choose to leave

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Speaker 2: for your own personal reasons, and then you run into

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Speaker 2: that person in real life, I ran into my old dentists,

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Speaker 2: and I clearly really hurt his feelings by bailing on

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Speaker 2: him because it was a recommendation. My friend went there.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was great, and you look amazing. Like

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Speaker 1: it's all running into an ax and like having like

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Speaker 1: blown up since you broke up with them.

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Speaker 2: Check out these gigantic teeth checkers. Bitch, you shouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. But you know what, You're right about

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Speaker 1: that too, And that's sometimes the hairdresser that you've been

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Speaker 1: so like you have to let your dentists can't do that,

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Speaker 1: that's that's not the same thing. When your dentist doesn't

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Speaker 1: you don't even get one with dentistry, you shouldn't. You

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Speaker 1: get a bad bang, and then you go to someone else.

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Speaker 2: Every hairstylist I've stopped going to is purely because they're

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Speaker 2: enough that it's fucking their business up, and I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: it's immoral for me to continue going to this place.

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Speaker 1: Question, Yeah, thought, idea ponder our teeth. The bangs of

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Speaker 1: the mouth. Teeth are the banks. I'm gonna no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna question. Teeth are the bangs of the mouth.

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Speaker 2: Teeth are the banks of the mouth. If you have

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Speaker 2: the money to adjust your teeth as much as you

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Speaker 2: want to or oh right, well they can front teeth out.

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Speaker 1: Ye show your face. You're blocking your beautiful face with

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Speaker 1: all those teeth.

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Speaker 2: You need to feature more of your cheeks using your

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Speaker 1: Am I high on dental drugs?

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Speaker 2: And doesn't it work?

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Speaker 1: Since this is podcast, if it's all been kedemine this

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Speaker 1: the whole time, and.

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Speaker 2: Now if you don't mind, I cross pitch you a

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Speaker 2: new podcast which is on ketymine all the time, the

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Speaker 2: new to Hard start right.

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Speaker 1: It's just me and a guest fucking like passed out

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Speaker 2: It's more of an animated show because you would just

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Speaker 1: That'd be great.

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Speaker 2: K holding about. Have you ever been in a K hole?

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Speaker 1: I've taken I've taken therapeutic ketamine. I never took it

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Speaker 1: at raves when I yes, so yes, I mean you

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Speaker 2: Well, you know the feeling of being away academy I

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Speaker 2: don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think a k hole is like a bad thing, right,

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Speaker 1: like who you can't get out? I've been in it

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Speaker 1: and been there and knew I was going to get.

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Speaker 2: Out, and you got escorted out by a nice lady

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Speaker 2: in a pants Suit's nine therapeutic.

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Speaker 1: Kenemine is this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I hit me up everyone, I'm fucking I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 2: I don't hit her up. Leave her alone.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have to turn into my podcast. Everything is kedemy.

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Speaker 2: See what the hit up is? Bring reference to I

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Speaker 1: Okay, should we get to work?

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Speaker 2: This is our ketamine. We have a podcast network and

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Speaker 2: it's called exactly Right.

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Speaker 1: And we're putting a Kedemine podcast up on it. That's

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Speaker 1: where I get ready. We get to do whatever we

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Speaker 1: fucking want. Get Ready exactly Right Network. Here's some highlights

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Speaker 1: this week on Brief Recess, our newest always on hilarious, smart, interesting,

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Speaker 1: cool podcast. Importantly, Michael and Melissa cover the latest chaos

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Speaker 1: from Pete Hegseth's Department of Defense and the Saint Patrick

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Speaker 1: dy debauchery in New York.

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Speaker 2: I want to see that, Got to see it?

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Speaker 1: And Trump's attempt to remove immigration protections for three hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand Haitians in the US. This is an

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Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing. It is too really compelling,

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Speaker 2: fun people to listen to talk talking about very important,

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Speaker 2: timely things of today and from the point of view

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: Who also happen to be like people you want to

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Speaker 2: So bad. I got a text from Michael Foot this

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Speaker 2: morning that said, you do want to learn Magen right right, Yes,

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Speaker 2: he's one of us, one of us, one of us,

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Speaker 2: the best. Yeah, okay, and over on trust Me and

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Speaker 2: Megan are joined by Dan Olsen of the YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: Folding Ideas. In part one of their conversation, Dan breaks

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Speaker 2: down crypto NFTs, all this stuff you love Georgia and

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Speaker 2: why they often start to look like belief systems more

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Speaker 2: than financial markets.

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Speaker 1: So interesting, How everything is a cult. Yeah, and on

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Speaker 1: that's messed up. Kara and Lisa revisit the episode hot

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Speaker 1: House and the disturbing real life murderer of Kristin Costas.

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Speaker 1: Plus they chat with this week's guest star, I A

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Speaker 1: Cash She's from the boys and you're the worst.

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Speaker 2: God, I love the Boys.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: That's like if you like superheroes and you like soap

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to see it ever, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it, but I'm absolutely going

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And in March Corner, we're

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Speaker 1: highlighting the Pearl Heart mug and decal. It's designed by

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Speaker 1: Murderino Sammy Rich and it's from an episode where Pearl

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Speaker 1: the law that neither I nor my sex had a

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Speaker 1: fucking put it out there so you can bring it

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Speaker 1: honor of Women's History Month, we're highlighting the design grab

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Speaker 2: Bang boom, here's you at the water cooler. I'm holding

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Speaker 2: the mug up by my face, conspicuously drinking nothing out

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. You should ask me? This is pearl Heart

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Speaker 2: and you go right into your spiel.

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Speaker 1: Do it.

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Speaker 2: We should actually release mugs about everything we want people

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Speaker 2: to know about wh it's like, it's interesting, you should ask.

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Speaker 1: Well, like, go fuck yourself mine because it's my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Finally, stay tuned after this episode because there will be

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Speaker 2: a brand new installation of Honking Horays featuring the real

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Speaker 2: life driving of Miss Georgia Hard.

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Speaker 1: I remember what happened when we were in the car,

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Speaker 1: and I think I scared you a little a couple times.

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Speaker 2: You are a Los Angeles native, clearly, Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 2: I learned from driving with you. And I'm from the

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Speaker 2: part of California that's long open roads, right, nobody else drives.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: My thing is if in the apocalypse, in the zombie apocalypse,

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Speaker 1: you want to be in my car and the like,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get the fuck out of here, and everyone

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Speaker 1: is running like I can get us out of here.

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Speaker 2: You are tank girl. Yes, but it's just regular, not

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Speaker 2: at like three o'clock traffic, and that's why people get

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Speaker 1: This is actually all an ad for beta blockers, which

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Speaker 1: I taked. Now before I get in the car, before

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Speaker 1: Then there are lots of vacationers, of course, mostly European

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Speaker 2: Hell. Yes, we could have been on a ship while

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Speaker 1: Right, and your parents our big cruise heads.

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Speaker 2: My parents were the people in the late fifties early

440
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 2: sixties who were like, I don't have a career. I'm

441
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Speaker 2: going to go work on the ships. So my mom's

442
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 2: so cool, got her nursing license and then went and

443
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: worked on the ships. And my dad was a purser

444
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 2: because he was driving chicken delivery trucks.

445
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Speaker 1: That's so cool, like that, I would go on a

446
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Speaker 1: I would get a job on a cruise, right. Like

447
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Speaker 1: in this documentary they interview this woman who is a

448
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,879
Speaker 1: dancer in the like shows on the cruise, and it's like,

449
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Speaker 1: what an amazing career, What an amazing time in your

450
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Speaker 1: life if you're in your twenties, thirties, forties and you're

451
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Speaker 1: just like I just it's like being a flight attendant

452
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Speaker 1: almost where you just like get to satisfy this need

453
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Speaker 1: that you want to be places.

454
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Speaker 2: And to be around people. I mean just seeing meet

455
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Speaker 2: all different kinds of people. But here's the difference I

456
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Speaker 2: would say for this is my dad was a purser

457
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Speaker 2: and then later on he moonlit while he was a

458
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Speaker 2: fireman and worked at the Purser's Union. So to think

459
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Speaker 2: about the fact that when my dad and mom worked there,

460
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Speaker 2: they were union nize jobs, and they of course are

461
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Speaker 2: not anymore. And that's the real problem with a lot

462
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Speaker 2: of people these days, where they're like, I work forty

463
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Speaker 2: nine hours in a row or whatever.

464
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Speaker 1: The centerpiece of the ship is a nine story atrium,

465
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Speaker 1: you know that looks like the Emerald City. Think, what's

466
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 1: that hotel downtown, the Bonaventure Bonaventure Hotel that's got like

467
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Speaker 1: indoor elevators that like, look down on this a room.

468
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Speaker 1: It's like that, but it's fucking Emerald green, like it's

469
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Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz. Oh. Shit, I don't think I

470
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Speaker 1: can show you.

471
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Speaker 2: Show me something green. What's that thing that's a green?

472
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Speaker 1: A green? Here's something green? Oh?

473
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Speaker 2: An emergency something?

474
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't have it. Oh that's okay, no problem, now

475
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: stop asking me.

476
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Speaker 2: Okay, there's must station.

477
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Speaker 1: That's great. A happy family. That teenage daughter who doesn't

478
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Speaker 1: want to be there. Yeah, middle child's son who's just.

479
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 2: Like, who's actually really friendly and doing a lot of karaoke. Okay,

480
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: youngest daughter who has not gotten out of the pool

481
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Speaker 2: for five days straight.

482
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Speaker 1: Great a dream. Some people think it's a little tacky though,

483
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: but it's, you know, got that old Vegas kind of

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a cruise ship.

485
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's there to be chic in fashion week, right,

486
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: it's not the idea. This isn't a Viking cruises.

487
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Speaker 1: This isn't a Viking cruise. River cruise. Hey, Viking river cruise, Hey,

488
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Speaker 1: Viking river cruise.

489
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Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go to Egypt.

490
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Speaker 1: Can we please get on the river?

491
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Speaker 2: We would like to see the Nile? Okay.

492
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Speaker 1: At the helm of the Concordia is a captain named

493
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Speaker 1: Francesco Skiatino, And if you remember the story at all,

494
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Speaker 1: you know that he's going to make a lot of

495
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Speaker 1: mistakes tonight.

496
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Speaker 2: It's tough.

497
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Speaker 1: Skatino is fifty one years old, very tan. He unbuttons

498
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Speaker 1: his thing.

499
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Speaker 2: You know. He's the rare pale Italian man who works

500
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Speaker 2: on a boat.

501
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Right.

502
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Speaker 2: Somehow he's been wearing seventy five sunblock and he's just

503
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Speaker 2: real pale.

504
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Speaker 1: He's very experienced, but he's known for being outgoing and

505
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Speaker 1: exuberant and like it's kind of there's like a showmanship

506
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Speaker 1: to being a captain that you have to for a

507
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: ship this size. They come out the first night and

508
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: everyone applauds you, and they do a whole thing. You know,

509
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: it's like a big deal to be the captain of

510
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Speaker 1: this ship and almost. Yeah, I can show you a

511
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Speaker 1: photo of him that we have to just we can't.

512
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: I can't show you on the screen, but you can

513
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Speaker 1: look at it on our instagram of what he looks like.

514
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Speaker 1: And I just think it's important to tell you Richard

515
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: gear Italian style.

516
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. I think that Italian men automatically unbuttoned

517
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 2: to the third button. Yeah, and if if they try

518
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: to keep it at the second button, it just pops

519
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: off and it goes straight too. They don't make them,

520
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: but you can have a ship. And he looks like

521
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: he just got up from a beach chairs the chef

522
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: hair showing what did you need a drink or something

523
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Speaker 2: that was going on.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there were quite a few like attractive oh

525
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Speaker 1: as played by George Clooney in this documentary that was just.

526
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 2: Like it's pretty wild. Yeah those people. Okay, all right,

527
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: stop it get serious.

528
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So he's a well regarded captain. Just north of Cia,

529
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Speaker 1: Vicia is a small channel between Okay, So basically they're

530
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Speaker 1: going out into this channel that sticks out from the

531
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Speaker 1: Tuscan coast. It goes between and the coast and an

532
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Speaker 1: island called Isola Digilio. So just basically called Gilio is

533
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Speaker 1: the island Giglo. It's a very small little island just

534
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Speaker 1: off the coast and it's all male sex workers that

535
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Speaker 1: live there Jigglo. So there's a thing called a sale

536
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: by salute where you'd fly by. Yeah, it's basically like

537
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Speaker 1: to show off the boat to this small little community

538
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Speaker 1: on the ocean. It's kind of a regular, non sanctioned

539
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: but a done thing in the captaining business, just to

540
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: kind of give everyone a little what's up? Okay, And

541
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Speaker 1: it's unclear whose idea this originally is, but the captain,

542
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Francesco Skatino, decided he's going to perform a sale by

543
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Speaker 1: salute of the island of Gilio. It's kind of to

544
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Speaker 1: show off the sho to the locals, you know, which

545
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: I think they get a kick out of too, maybe.

546
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: Maybe the first time, right, like shut up there, you know,

547
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: oh my god. They're like, we're an island. We see

548
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: ships all the time.

549
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: Right, but this is the biggest fucking ship ever, so

550
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: like it's drive a big o. The light and the

551
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: lights are all lit.

552
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: It's evening home built.

553
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: Right when the ship is approaching the island to do

554
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: this little drive by wave, Skatino isn't personally at the

555
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: controls at the moment until the ship gets within about

556
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Speaker 1: two miles of the island. So he had been having

557
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Speaker 1: dinner near the bridge with a beautiful blonde woman who

558
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Speaker 1: is not his wife.

559
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: Listen, sometimes junior captains are attractive women.

560
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Speaker 1: Okay, she's not his wife. She's not on the like

561
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: on the manifesto, like she's not even like she's not

562
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be there, bless her heart. She's a dancer.

563
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Speaker 1: She's twenty six, he's fifty one.

564
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Speaker 2: Like, she's not a passenger, and she's not an employee.

565
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's his mistress that he brought on for this

566
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: little part of the trip. It seems like, oh yeah,

567
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: so like most people think, has no bearing on the

568
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: story at all, and she kind of got tarnished because

569
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Speaker 1: of it, when really it was just like but also

570
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: he just went to dinner. He was probably drinking too,

571
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: you would imagine, right.

572
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And also it's like Italy, I don't think anyone's

573
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: surprised by having a mistress or drinks at dinner. Yeah,

574
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: let's not be right.

575
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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say her name because she has

576
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Speaker 1: good do it.

577
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So I don't say his name because he's just

578
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Speaker 2: a man.

579
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Speaker 1: I just start defending Francesco. Okay, I love him.

580
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

581
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Speaker 1: A retired captain from the Costa Line whose name is

582
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Speaker 1: Mario Palombo, lives on Giulio and Skatino talks to him

583
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Speaker 1: briefly on the phone while the ship is en route

584
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Speaker 1: to perform this is like, Hey, we're going to do it,

585
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: and Skatino mentions his plan and he wants to pass

586
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: within less than a mile of the island, and this

587
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: Costa Line captain Captain Palombo. He points out that it's winter,

588
00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: there won't be a lot of people to see the

589
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: ship anyway, it's not tourist season. Like, why don't you fight?

590
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 1: It's rocky shoreline, it's not necessary, there's not much reward.

591
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: How about you don't do that. Basically, he just said

592
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: say hi and stay away, like he knew it was

593
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: a bad idea? Was it?

594
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: The dancer's home island? Like this is where I'm from

595
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna go buy it.

596
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: That would be cute. It's not. I think it was like,

597
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't understand someone else's It was not necessary at

598
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: all in any way. At that moment when he's like

599
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: say hi and get away, the phone goes dead and

600
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like Skatino was already about a half mile

601
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: from the island, because that was likely the moment that

602
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: they saw the rocks. The problem is that Skatino had

603
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: consulted his radar and charts, but at this point he's

604
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: mostly navigating by sight, and there's a fucking rock near

605
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the island.

606
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Even I, even I, not an Italian, know.

607
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: That who only go on luxurious river cruises, know that

608
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Speaker 1: he's going about fifteen, which we'd be considered very faster

609
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: navigating so close to the shore. He sees an outcropping

610
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: of rocks and orders a turn to avoid limb, and

611
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: then misses a much closer large rock. Basically, there's a

612
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: scramble and he yells at the wrong thing, and everyone

613
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: on board who's driving don't get a clear message of

614
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: what to do from the captain right, and the rock

615
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: slams into the port left side of the ship. So

616
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: by the time they see it it's too late and

617
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: they slam into it.

618
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just going to say, if the ship

619
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: is a half a mile away, but it's this gigantic

620
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: thing in the water, it's like, yeah, then you're there immediately.

621
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Speaker 1: So it's nine to forty two pm when this happens,

622
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: And this being Italy means that many of the ship's

623
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: passengers are at dinner at this moment because they dinner late, right,

624
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, yes, absolutely in the dining room, passengers feel

625
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: a series of big thumps, and immediately after the ship

626
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: is at a tilt, like they all know something happened.

627
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: There's no way to ignore it. Plates go flying and

628
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: smashing to the ground.

629
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Speaker 2: So embarrassing. Remember when our table collapsed when we were

630
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: in Hawaii and that we didn't even do anything, and

631
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Speaker 2: it was like the most humiliating thing that happened to

632
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: any of us.

633
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was only us. Oh god, that was so.

634
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: There was such a quiet buffet breakfast.

635
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: It was just just like they had just set up

636
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: an extra tables because they knew like there was a

637
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: lot of buffet brunch people and ours was just like

638
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: a fucking like conference room table. And someone kicked the

639
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: thing that held everything together and it yeah, it's kind

640
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: of just like, no, it was not Lizzie's fault. It

641
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: was she kicked it, but it was not her fault

642
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: that she kicked something and everything collapsed.

643
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: The tables couldn't handle everybody having more than one beverage,

644
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: which to me is what it felt like.

645
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Plates go flying. The grand piano that's being played at

646
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: the moment detaches from its safety tethers and rolls across

647
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: the room all over the shit. People are seriously injured

648
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: in falls. One musician, the piano player in the documentary,

649
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: says that he sees people bloodied and holding their own

650
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: teeth in their hands.

651
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: So it happened quickly, yes, exact, and.

652
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: So there's different levels of people getting hurt, and doesn't

653
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: seem like anyone lost her live or anything yet yet.

654
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Amelia Bland is a twenty one year old British student

655
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Speaker 1: and she's on board visiting her boyfriend who's one of

656
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: the ship's engineers. But she has her own cabin and

657
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: at the moment they are in the cabin watching a

658
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: movie when they hear this huge and feel this huge

659
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: hit and it's so hard that the TV falls off

660
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: the wall. So they got in the hallway and start

661
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: climbing towards some of the higher decks when the ship

662
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: loses power, so all the lights go out. Big fucking

663
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: crash and the lights go out. The emergency lights come

664
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: on and Claudio, Amelia's boyfriend, tells her to stay put

665
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: in one of these main areas and he's going to

666
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: go see what's wrong. So the announcement starts playing, saying

667
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: the ship is experiencing an electrical problem. And it's really

668
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: weird because it's twenty twelve, so only a few people

669
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: have video of this. Like nowadays you'd get every fucking

670
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: angle right, yes, but twenty twelve, there's like just a

671
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: few clips that they play over and over again, which

672
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: is I think so interesting.

673
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only a couple of people were kind of

674
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: there and.

675
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: Ready right and like had that capability on their phones.

676
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: They says there's an electrical problem. Everyone should remain calm,

677
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: there's and everything will be fined shortly, just don't freak out.

678
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: At one point, another announcement encourages guests to return to

679
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: their cabins, and then right around this time, Emilia's boyfriend

680
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Claudia returns and she says he looks ashen and tells

681
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: her that several of the ship's watertight compartments have flooded,

682
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: so it's not a fucking electrical problem. Meanwhile, the ship's

683
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: hotel director, a fifty six year old man named Mariko

684
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: John Pradroni, is on the bridge, and you don't think

685
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: about the fact that there's a captain on the ship,

686
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: but there's also a hotel director, because essentially you also

687
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: need someone who knows how to run a hotel. Yeah,

688
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: he's confused as to why the captain hasn't declared a

689
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: general emergency yet. He's like, let's get off this ship

690
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: if we hit something immediately. The captain Scatino, Well, he

691
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: does contact Costa's operation center and tells them that the

692
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: ship has had two watertight compartments flooded, but the actual

693
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: number is between three and five. By now. The whole

694
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: time he downplays and doesn't react fast enough, and really

695
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: it seems like that's what causes loss of life.

696
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's tough. It's so embarrassing, right, he

697
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: made a really embarrassing mistake.

698
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Immediately, like stupid mistake.

699
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: Stupid mistake, Like why did you even do it? And

700
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: he's probably showing off, maybe for the dancer, maybe just

701
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: in general, yes, maybe for whoever's on that island, totally.

702
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: And I think the idea of like just deciding to

703
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: evacuate all these people is a big decision that he

704
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want to make and tell he's sure about it, yes,

705
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: so he holds back and that past life.

706
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Yes, Well he's probably thinking if we could never get

707
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: that close, right, And I want to make sure this

708
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: doesn't go up into a big it doesn't turn into

709
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: a bigger thing.

710
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: Like, let's just see how bad it is before we

711
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: start panicking. Yeah, we've all been there, Like, he won't

712
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: admit to what happens for a very long time.

713
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: Who who does admit anything? Who among us admits fucking.

714
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: Shit crashed a ship? Good luck?

715
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: See, it's not that hard crashed a ship, right, it's

716
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: not that hard.

717
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: So the ship can possibly stay afloat with two compartments flooded.

718
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: You've seen this from Titanic, where like the bottom thing is,

719
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: but not with any more than that. And he does

720
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: not call the coast guard at least twenty minutes after impact.

721
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: The coast guard first makes contact with the ship because

722
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: a woman on the ship called her fucking mom from

723
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: the ship and is like, we hit something. Please call

724
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: the coast guard and tell us, like what's going on.

725
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: And so a police precinct elsewhere in Italy are the

726
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: ones who take the call and tell them what happened,

727
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: and they call the local police who contact the coastguard.

728
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: So when the coastguards contact Skatino right around ten pm,

729
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we got this call. He says that

730
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: the ship is experiencing a blackout and that's all that's

731
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: going on right now. So another under another chance to hey,

732
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: it's no big deal, it's a fucking blackout. Yeah, he

733
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: didn't say that it's a crash or that the ship

734
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: is taking on water. And the coastguard asks if Skatino

735
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: needs assistance and he says no, and it's just unclear

736
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: why he does that.

737
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it? We know? Men, there's really nothing

738
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: like the feeling of making a dumb mistake, even over

739
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: a bad mistake. Right, if it was overtly a bad mistake,

740
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: it would just be like start the emergency services now. Yeah,

741
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: but he himself is in a world where he thinks

742
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: he can fix his dumb mistake.

743
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a dumb mistake that you're like, that's not me.

744
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: I would never do something like that, And so I'm

745
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: just gonna like pretend it's not happening.

746
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 2: Because you were saying he was considered a good captain

747
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: and like.

748
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: Good but like a little bit into the limelight of

749
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: it all. So I think some people weren't so brit to.

750
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: Get into cruise ships for the limelight. You know, Yeah,

751
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: it's my family business, hey.

752
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: List cruise ships. Skatino likely realizes or acknowledges shortly after

753
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: this conversation that he's going to have to evacuate the

754
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: ship and it's safer to do so on land rather

755
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: than in open water because now the ship it hit

756
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: the fucking rock and it's now veering out towards open water.

757
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: So he's freaking out about that, and he's like, Okay,

758
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: people don't know if he did it on purpose or not,

759
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: but basically he's able to beach the ship onto a

760
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: bunch of other rocks and hit those rocks and remain there.

761
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: So he's on like basically right next to the island,

762
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: so he's closer. There's photos of like the ship that

763
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: looks like on rocks, and people are like, oh, that's

764
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: the huge rock. How did you not see it? It's

765
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: not the rocky hit Okay, so yeah.

766
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: That was the rock that was preventing him from being

767
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: pulled out to see it right like.

768
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: It held them there. While this is going on, the

769
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: passengers have just been left in the dark and literally

770
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: and figuratively, and there have been no announcements about the

771
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: reality of the situation, although a lot of people clearly

772
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: are freaking out getting life jacket The coast Guard gets

773
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: in contact another time asking for an update, and this

774
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: time the Concordia's crew admit that the ship is taking

775
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: on water. The Coastguard starts sending boats and helicopters in

776
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: the direction of Gilio, but they estimate that Skatino's unwillingness

777
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: to admit the severity of the problem costs them about

778
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. It's only about ten forty a full

779
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: hour after the impact that Captain Scatino declares a general emergency.

780
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Most experts and even non experts who just know a

781
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: thing or two about ships, agree that they just haven't

782
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: done immediately after impact.

783
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just meant sorry because I am an

784
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: expert in Italian men, sure, it makes me think of

785
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: this driver we had one time when me and Adrian

786
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: and Janet were in Italy and he was driving us

787
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: chink of Taro, which is like mountainous, like literally like

788
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: this Gary and he was driving us in this kind

789
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: of like a mini van while texting and it was

790
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: a stick shift.

791
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: He was loving scaring the shit out of you guys.

792
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: I met we were because we were sitting in our

793
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: own individual road, yes, in this thing, and I was

794
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: literally staring out the window like I've had a beautiful life.

795
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful for everything I've gotten to do. And

796
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: when we all got out, Adrian goes I just made

797
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: peace with the God I know, and I was like,

798
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: that's what I was doing because it was that fucking

799
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: narrow and scary.

800
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I thought it was hoping you guys would

801
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: say something yeah exactly.

802
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: Like please sir, where he's like, I got it. But

803
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: I do think that is culturally and that's such a generalization,

804
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: like what do I know, That's one experience, but I

805
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: do see that, or I can see that where it's

806
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: just like I got it handled is the thing that everybody,

807
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: no matter the gender, wants to always be able to say.

808
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, men, mostly ment that makes sense. Okay. So on

809
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: the island of Julio, a hotel manager who's also the

810
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: island's deputy mayor, which is like, I fucking need to

811
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: go there and live there immediately, Nay, Mario Pellegrini. Here's

812
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: that there's a ship in trouble in the channel on

813
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: the other side of the island, and so he's, uh,

814
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: he hops in his car and starts calling other members

815
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: of the island's local council or like, something's going on.

816
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: The ship that tried to wave at us is now

817
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: like up on the rocks, up on us. Yeah. As

818
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: he makes his way around the mountain in the middle

819
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: of the island and it's you know, it's night. Of course,

820
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: he gets a clear view into the harbor and sees

821
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: the massive fucking cruise ship like beached on rocks off

822
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: the shore, so big, and he was like, that's not

823
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: what I was expecting. I mean, the ship's like the

824
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: size of the island actly.

825
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: Remember when I talked about the Titanic, I think, and

826
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 2: I said that there were five hundred life rafts instead

827
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: of fifty or whatever. There it was just some like typo, well.

828
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: The life rafts will come into plague as well, So

829
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: put those in your mind. Don't let it go here

830
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: we go moving on. And another thing that happened is

831
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: when they run aground purposely supposedly on those rocks, they

832
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: drop the anchors so they'll stay there, and the crew

833
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: improperly dropped the anchors, letting out weigh too much chain,

834
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and that's why it started to list to one side

835
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: because they just cut open the side and so it

836
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: did that. So I think that it seems to me

837
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: totally unprofessional that, like the crew didn't know what the

838
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: fuck was going on either, because the captain wasn't telling

839
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: them what to do and what was happening, and everyone

840
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: kind of panicked and made mistakes.

841
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: We must communicate.

842
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: Yes, that's just that's all there is to it, right,

843
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: trickle down stupidity like Y's just the thing. So had

844
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: they created the right amount of tension, they likely would

845
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: have been able to keep the boat more upright. And

846
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: the boat turning on its side is really where the

847
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: problems arise, and so and so what happens is that

848
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: the starboard side of the ship starts tilting down at

849
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: a severe angle, and very quickly the lowest level of

850
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: the lifeboats are submerged into the water, rendering them unusable.

851
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: And at the same time, all of the lifeboats on

852
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: the port side of the ship, the side that's up

853
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: in the air, are also extremely difficult to launch into

854
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: the water because so the ships on its side the

855
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: boats are here. Normally the boats would come the life

856
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: boats would come out and down, but if they're on

857
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: its side, there's no coming out, you know what I'm saying.

858
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: And so people are fighting each other to get on

859
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: these lifeboats. I mean, just you see humanity, and it's ugly.

860
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: People are pushing and shoving to get each other out

861
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: of the way, trying to get on the few lifeboats

862
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: that are launching, and the crew members who are launching

863
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: the lifeboats seem to be doing so without any guidance

864
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: from the chain of command. People are just kind of

865
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: doing their own thing, free for all. Yeah. Also, because

866
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: this had been the first night of the voyage, the

867
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: passengers had not yet had their mandatory safety training. Because

868
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I guess the next day they're like, everyone has to

869
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: sit down and fucking watch this video. It's like when

870
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: you're on a plane and they do the video that, yeah,

871
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: and nobody pays attention to it right, right, Yeah, they

872
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: hadn't done that yet, And there's a reason they do

873
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: it first, right.

874
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say no one had

875
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: sat down and eaten dinner, and.

876
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: I was just like, that's so everyone was hungry.

877
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: Everyone's in a bad mood.

878
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: They're hungry, So it's mayhem. This is actually the like

879
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: orderly better stage of the evacuation because the Concordia is

880
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: so close to the port that the lifeboats are able

881
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: to shuttle people back and forth. Like it is very close.

882
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: People start jumping into the water and swimming to the island.

883
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Do they make it?

884
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: A lot of people make it? A lot of It's

885
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: like there was a story of like a seventy something

886
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: year old woman who used to be a swimmer who

887
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 1: made it, and it made me go, like, you gotta

888
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: get your ass in fucking shape. Yes, if I jumped

889
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: out of a fucking out of this right now and swam,

890
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: would I make it? I don't think so, honestly, Like,

891
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: and I'm I feel young, Yes, I should be able

892
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: to make it. So that's my It's kind of has

893
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: like invigorated me to be like take care of yourself,

894
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: to be.

895
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: An ocean swimmer. I would love it if you're just

896
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: start driving two hours every day so you can just

897
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 2: swim under the Santa.

898
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Monica pear I thing I have, like the gear and

899
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: everything punching sharks. It's just as bestos in the water.

900
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

901
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So people are making it, and also they have

902
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: life jackets too, which is very helpful. But even still,

903
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: the is it's January, the water's fucking freezing. It's like

904
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: a forty minutes tops that you have available in the

905
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: water before hypothermia sets in. So it's not a great option.

906
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: And if you're jumping from one of the higher levels,

907
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: remember seventeen stories high, like, you can't huge, right, you

908
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: can't jump off and swim unless you're close to the

909
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: water and close to the island, and I good swimmer and.

910
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: All these things, and the idea that people are just

911
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: making independent decisions for themselves exactly is a real sign

912
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: of the chaos. A seventy year old lady went over

913
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: and was like, you know what, fuck this, I'm going Like.

914
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: Most people will be like, I'm gonna wait and see

915
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: what the captain says, because they're obviously going to tell

916
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: us what to do, and I don't want to be

917
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: dramatic and jump into the water, and we never women

918
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: never want to be dramatic and overreact.

919
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: But like, let's just like get your blade hands ready totally.

920
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: You know, I am a strong backstroke swimmer. Oh yeah,

921
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: so that let's just jump in backwards. Be fine, crab

922
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: walk out of there. So the water is about fifty

923
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: one degrees fahrenheit and so hypothermia that's how some of

924
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: the people die. And in fact, the rescuers do pull

925
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: an unconscious Frenchman in his sixties from the water and

926
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: he becomes the first recorded person to be killed in

927
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: the Costa Concordia disaster when they pull him out of

928
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: the water.

929
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: That's really horrible because the idea of this where, especially

930
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: the way it looked on the news, right, which is like, oh,

931
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: it looked like someone made a dumb mistake and like

932
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: wa want it looked like the boat got a flat tire.

933
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: Totally.

934
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: The idea that people died because of that mistake is horrible.

935
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: And he had given his wife his life jacket because

936
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: she couldn't swim, and so she made it and he

937
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: was like she was like are you you with me?

938
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: And he's like you're good, keep going and then oh,

939
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I know, like the stories are the fucking people who died.

940
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: It's just like heartbreaking obviously. Okay. So the Coastguard supervisor

941
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: in charge of the rescue operation is a man named

942
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: Gregorio de Falco, and he is fucking hot. He's George

943
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: Clooney Italian. George G. Clooney is George Clan Italian. He'd

944
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: lived in Italy.

945
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: I want to argue, George Clooney Irish.

946
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: Okay, you can have him.

947
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he's half half.

948
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: You can have him.

949
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: You can Okay.

950
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: So this guy, Gregorio DeFalco, can't get in touch with

951
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: anyone on the ship's bridge teuring in an emergency, this

952
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: is where you would expect to find the captain. And

953
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: if you remember the Titanic, I do, that's where the

954
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: captain stays until the very end. You go down with

955
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: your ship, right like, I don't even know anything about

956
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: ship's rag, and I know you stay on as the captain.

957
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: As the captain, you're there til the bitter But DeFalco

958
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: is only getting radio silence. So finally, at about twelve

959
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: forty am, he gets ahold of Skatino by calling the

960
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: captain's cell phone. So he's down on the bridge. He

961
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: finally calls a cell phone and this guy is a

962
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: Coastguard supervisor, so like you gotta be badass, Like you've

963
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: gotta be Yeah, it's like being in the what's the

964
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: baby seals? Yeah, I feel like you must be.

965
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it's navy ish, but there's something about the coast

966
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: Guard that's very like where are the guys that go

967
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: in when the emergency, right kicks off?

968
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: Right, We're not going in a war. We're going in

969
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: a fucking help people.

970
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right, like the war against bad swimming, right.

971
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: And we're Italian war against bad swimming. And the Falco

972
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: is absolutely stunned when he gets a hold of Scatino

973
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: that he is on a lifeboat already.

974
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, this guy got ripped apart.

975
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: He did. We'll get into it, okay. Their conversation, which

976
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: is recorded, becomes infamous and I would I was like

977
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: we should play it, and like hear the whole thing,

978
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: and like it's an Italian. I forgot some Italian so

979
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: in a dream. So basically this de Valco just like

980
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: tears Scatino apart, and it's Skatino is just like oh

981
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: but you know, like making excuses he says he tripped

982
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and fell onto the lifeboat and that's why he's on it.

983
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: But there's like a clear video of him getting onto it.

984
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: It's not pretty. It's a really he did himself no favors,

985
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: Like he made a big fucking mistake and he could

986
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: have not righted it, but like owned it and taken

987
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: care of business and done what was right. It sounds

988
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: like it was a big shameful event for Italians who

989
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: are like, that's not what we do, this is who

990
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: we are, and so they wanted to punish him for that.

991
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes a lot of sense. I as

992
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: the cultural attache to Italy for America. They are very

993
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 2: things are done a certain way. They're very traditional, they're

994
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: very you do not have cappuccino afternoon, no matter what.

995
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: There are rules and regulations to just being part of

996
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: that kind of like casual culture. In my opinion, that's

997
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: all opinion. But so that makes perfect sense that they're like,

998
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 2: you have shamed this great nation.

999
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: Totally, like you made a mistake. Then you fucking double down.

1000
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah you can hear it, and they'll do close captioning

1001
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: for it and can understand. But he's just basically like says, fuck,

1002
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you doing at him, and like

1003
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: he's just like what you know, the skuy Defalca is

1004
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: very aware of like how bad this.

1005
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: Is, and he's not on this ship all that on

1006
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: top of he's gone right.

1007
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: So shortly after this conversation he doesn't get off the

1008
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 1: ship like to Falco orders him to do, because shortly

1009
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: after the call, he's seen on land in the Gilio Harbor,

1010
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: among the thousands of stranded passengers who have escaped the ship.

1011
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: So people are flooding off and they see the captain

1012
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: on land when there's like hundreds of people still on

1013
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: the ship. The town's chief of police goes to speak

1014
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: with him, and al Scatina will say is, quote those

1015
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: cliffs weren't there. They were not on the maps. End quote.

1016
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: He's immediately blaming you know the close That sounds boozy

1017
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, And so the police chief says, quote

1018
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: I saw someone who still hadn't realized what happened, someone

1019
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: who most likely didn't want to accept the reality of things.

1020
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: End quote.

1021
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: All denial.

1022
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. By this point, around one am, every working lifeboat

1023
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: has been launched and some are circling back and getting more.

1024
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: But around a thousand people are still on the ship,

1025
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: which is now essentially lying on its starboard side. So

1026
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: if you're still trapped in the ship, which many people are,

1027
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: the walls are now the floor and ceiling, you know

1028
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. And the floors are now the walls,

1029
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: and like any long hallway is now like a well

1030
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: because everything is fucking.

1031
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: It's one big Linel Richie video in the worst way possible.

1032
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: The people left on the ship are congregated in several

1033
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: air different areas because they still don't know what to do.

1034
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: No one has told them go to this place to

1035
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: get rescued, still right because the guy's gone, who's supposed

1036
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: to tell?

1037
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: And it's still nighttime emergency lights like it's.

1038
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Not yeah, it's one of them morning. Some people are

1039
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: severely injured because of all these things happening, and mostly

1040
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: just trying to stay upright on the ship that's flipped

1041
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: on its side. Eventually, a crew member finds a long

1042
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: rope ladder and it's dangled along the port side of

1043
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the ship, now facing up with the sky. They basically

1044
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: have to scale down the side of the ship into

1045
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: the water to get like a roat to a boat

1046
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: like to get rescue. So the ship's on its side

1047
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: and you can see there's like a night vision from

1048
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: the hell because there's like helicopters in Chica. You can

1049
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: see like just a line of like ants. It looks

1050
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: like trailing down the side of this enormous ship. And

1051
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: there's children, you know, and elderly people.

1052
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: I mean. And also it's like, so it's a rope ladder,

1053
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: but you have to have the physical strength exactly can you?

1054
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Could you do it?

1055
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Right now? I think I could do that. I could

1056
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: do that, but not the swim portion of the triathlon.

1057
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 2: Couldn't do both? No, But also I would be afraid

1058
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: halfway down when I'm like really at the dankliest part,

1059
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: my arms are like, we're not doing this anymore, you

1060
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1061
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: It's not like I do adrenaline. She's a real friend,

1062
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: good one, you know.

1063
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 2: Let's get her going more often.

1064
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: Get that courtizone and adrenaline going every morning. That's all

1065
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: we can do. People have to drop into the rescue boats.

1066
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,479
Speaker 1: Mario Pellegrini, the Gelo deputy mayor, and a crew member

1067
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: named Simone Canessa coordinate this rope ladder rescue and eventually

1068
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: go into the hallways to help get more people out.

1069
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: So even though the captain's doing absolutely nothing, there are

1070
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: people on board that work there and don't work there

1071
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: that are being heroes.

1072
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1073
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they find an aluminum ladder and then they use

1074
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: that to get people up and out of the hallways

1075
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: to the balcony so that they can go to the

1076
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: ship as well on the rope ladder and climb down.

1077
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: But some people are still trapped in the less accessible

1078
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: areas awaiting rescuers. And the hotel director that I had

1079
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: told you about is like the captain of the hotel

1080
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: part of the adventure name Manricoji Padroni goes back into

1081
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: the ship's hallway to try to get them to try

1082
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: to save more people and comfort them until rescuers come.

1083
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: Like he's not abandoning his ship hotel, but the whole

1084
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: night everyone has been saying that they saw his face.

1085
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: He was helping people get off the ship. He was

1086
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: helping gets navigate the chaos and trying to get them

1087
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: to safety. He was in it. But on his way

1088
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: through the sideways corridor, he's knocking on doors which are

1089
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: now the floor, trying to find people who may still

1090
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: be trapped and then he accidentally steps on one of

1091
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: those doors. It opens up under him, and he falls

1092
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: through the door into the room oh below him because

1093
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: it's now on the side. He hits a wall, splashes

1094
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: into the water, and he realizes he's trapped in the

1095
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: ship's sideways dining room and he's broken his leg in

1096
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: the fall, and it's filling with water, with freezing fucking water.

1097
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: Actively yeah, the water's rising slowly. He hoists himself onto

1098
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: a top of a metal table and waits to be rescued.

1099
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: With a broken leg, broken lay all over the ship.

1100
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: People are clamoring out along the side of the boat,

1101
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: which is now on the top, trying to get it

1102
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: down to the rescuers. Helicopters are circling and pointing rescuers

1103
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: to where they can see people. It must be the

1104
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: weirdest thing to be trying to escape a boat, a

1105
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: ship and there are people coming onto it from the island.

1106
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: At that point I'd be like, Okay, then I think

1107
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it.

1108
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: Are people repelling down from a helicopter.

1109
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: No, they're like riding the lifeboats back to the ship

1110
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: and climbing a board to go look for survivors.

1111
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: Then it does come down to fitness.

1112
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: It does. As the sun rises, about one hundred people

1113
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: are still unaccounted for, and rescuers are prowling this enormous boat.

1114
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,919
Speaker 1: They're like breaking, you know, windows and cabins to see

1115
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: if anyone's in there and try to get people out,

1116
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: and they're looking for additional survivors. They find one couple

1117
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: still in their cabin. They had slept through the initial

1118
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: crash and then become trapped, which sounds like Vincent me

1119
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: and Vince like, for.

1120
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: Sure, ask somebody what's going on? Right?

1121
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: You know that evening nap we like to take on

1122
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: a vacation. We'll be at dinner later.

1123
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, But when you wake up, it's nine thirty and

1124
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: you're like, is it nine thirty in the morning.

1125
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: Right, And everything feels bad Down in the dining room. Manrico,

1126
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 1: the hotel captain director who had fallen. He can hear

1127
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: the rescuers, but he's so far down that he can't

1128
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: get their attention. He spent the entire night on that tabletop,

1129
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: drinking from a can of coke that went floating. By wow,

1130
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: which happened in another one of your stories in the

1131
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: hometown recently. The jet ski.

1132
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 2: The dad's trapped at sea. Oh yeah, so gross.

1133
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: And then he from a bottle that goes floating by

1134
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: of cognac, which, thank god, thank you. And then he

1135
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: finds two pots to bang together to try to get

1136
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: the attention. Nice and he starts to believe he's going

1137
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: to die in that flooded dining room. Finally he sees

1138
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: bubbles around him and fucking rescue diver's surface from underneath him.

1139
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: Holy shit, it's been hours.

1140
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: A rivederci. They say no, no, no, bun bun s

1141
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 2: bona sa Leanna's nodding.

1142
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Oh great, he's saved. He's pulled out of the water

1143
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: and air list to a hospital and he is the

1144
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: last survivor pulled off of the boat.

1145
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 2: The captain of the hotel.

1146
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah wow. In all, thirty two people die in the disaster.

1147
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: That's so many.

1148
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: And the youngest victim, a five year old, dies in

1149
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: her father's arms. No I know. And in a fall

1150
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: that have been similar to Manrico's. Diana and williams our

1151
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: Lottie and they had been trying to reach lifeboats on

1152
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: the starboard side of the boat when they fell into

1153
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: a flooded area and drown, which is like so in

1154
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: the documentary, the divers talk about finding the daughter in

1155
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: the arms of the father and just how like you

1156
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: just can't move past that, no, you know. The event

1157
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: becomes an international outrage, and the ship, lying on its

1158
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: side next to Jilio becomes a huge symbol for the

1159
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: utter outrageousness of this disaster which we all saw. The

1160
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: ship settles even more into the water and the sixty

1161
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: meter gash in its hull becomes visible. Very quickly. Public

1162
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: opinion coalesces against Francesco Skatino. This is in many ways fair,

1163
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: I think right people are set with him, But some

1164
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: people point out that the crew on the bridge had

1165
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: ultimately contacted Costa's headquarters after the crash, and they too

1166
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: had not raised alarms quickly.

1167
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: Enough, which is like it's everybody's fault.

1168
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's like they're the underlings kind of a thing.

1169
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the underlings, and they're not the ones who

1170
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 2: are like, let's drive by.

1171
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: This island, it'll be right, so bad And maybe they

1172
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: don't know how bad it is either because they're not

1173
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: being told. Who knows. But some people think that Costa

1174
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: the company is happy to help throw Skatino under the

1175
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: bus to avoid any lane at the corporate level. So

1176
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: event it does become a thing about this is the

1177
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: one guy that fucked up everything. Nobody else is responsible

1178
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: kind of a thing, which is.

1179
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: The buck stops with this guy. If you want to

1180
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: sue anybody, you're going to sue.

1181
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: This guy exactly, which is also like, well did he

1182
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: have the training? Did he have You know, it's always

1183
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: going to go above you in some way, right, So

1184
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: much is made over the fact that Skatina's mistress was

1185
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: on board and not on any of the official manifests,

1186
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: but it ultimately doesn't seem like her presence made much

1187
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: of a material difference in the case. And there's still

1188
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: some debate about where the initial idea to do the

1189
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: sale by salute came from. But in courts katinas do

1190
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: things conflict with each other though, yeah, I think it's

1191
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: someone else who said to do the drive by.

1192
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah, and it's just being lumped altogether, and yeah,

1193
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: they're like details and.

1194
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: Then like Italian tabloid magazines like they fucking love this

1195
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: cute blonde girl dancer who was the mistress had nothing

1196
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: to do with it. So certainly the choice to do

1197
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: the salute and it's deeply flawed execution were ultimately Skatino's

1198
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: responsibility to this day, as cruise ships swell in size,

1199
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: the cost of Concordia is our only real example of

1200
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: a full evacuation at sea, albeit very close to land,

1201
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: and it didn't go particularly well. So it's a big

1202
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: media moment. The Concordia lies on its side next to

1203
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: Jilio for a full year and a half will a

1204
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: delicate salvage effort takes place. It takes that long to

1205
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: figure out how to write the ship and tow it

1206
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: away without causing an environmental catastrophe by spilling all the

1207
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: fuel on board.

1208
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it just sits there.

1209
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: I mean, what a site for those people on the island, right.

1210
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, an an island and an area that's one hundred

1211
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: percent tourist, right, Like it's all foreign about the tourism, right,

1212
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: and the money you make the tourisms and so quiet.

1213
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: Otherwise, it's finally refloated and brought to Genoa in September

1214
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen. It's just like weird moment. The whole

1215
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: effort costs seven hundred and ninety nine million dollars to

1216
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of there, twice as much as

1217
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: the ship had cost to build in the first place.

1218
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: Jesus Scatino is ultimately charged with manslaughter, causing a shipwreck,

1219
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: and abandoning the scene of an accident, and his case

1220
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: goes to trial in twenty fifteen. He's found guilty and

1221
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: is currently serving a sixteen year sentence.

1222
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

1223
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: He's the only person to serve a prison sentence for

1224
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: this Manrico, the hotel director who had tried all night

1225
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: to save people before falling into a flooded dining room,

1226
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: is among four other Costa employees who are also charged

1227
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: for not doing enough to prevent the disaster.

1228
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: Hm.

1229
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't sit well, No, right, he takes a plea

1230
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: bargain and does not serve time, and he says, quote,

1231
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: my conscience is clear. And he's in this documentary and

1232
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: he's like, I did everything I could. And there were

1233
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: other there survivors, passengersy were like, he was the person

1234
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: who did save me. He was doing something exactly. Someday

1235
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be redeemed, it feels like. But until then,

1236
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: that is the story of the Costa Concordia disaster.

1237
00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

1238
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: Truly, I always I remember watching that on the news.

1239
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: I remember seeing it and having it be a thing

1240
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: that just kept coming back because it was just the

1241
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: ship sitting there and all that.

1242
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: What a sight.

1243
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, But for one second, can we just talk about

1244
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: the fact that that captain got off the ship, refused

1245
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: to get back on women and children last, and then

1246
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: stood around in the harbor watching Like, to me, that's

1247
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 2: not telling me that that's a person that was got

1248
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: off and was going to run away.

1249
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: But he also grabbed some his bag like stuff, you know,

1250
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: like what you're just not supposed to do when you're

1251
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: abandoning ship, you.

1252
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, abandon's not supposed to come into your vocabulary

1253
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: when you're the captain. Right, Wow, what a story.

1254
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that was good, thank you.

1255
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was entertaining. That's a good idea to go

1256
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: back over things that we thought were one way because

1257
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: of the way the news presented them in the two

1258
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: thousands or before always, and then the real story is

1259
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 2: this Are you doing that right now? Don't take it?

1260
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: It's mine. No. Actually, today I'm going to tell you

1261
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: because it is just quick reminder still a Woman's History month.

1262
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to celebrate it by telling you about this

1263
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: amazing woman who built an empire from almost nothing in

1264
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: an era when both her race and her gender made

1265
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: her success, especially to the level that she got to

1266
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: a near impossibility. But through sheer, grit, community building, and

1267
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: an idea for a hair product that came to her

1268
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: in a dream, she turned a door to door beauty

1269
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 2: company into a national powerhouse. This is the story of

1270
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: the trailblazing black business woman who became one of America's

1271
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: first self made female millionaires. Madam C. J. Walker.

1272
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't know this.

1273
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 2: You haven't heard of her? I don't think so, okay.

1274
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: The main source for this story is the research and

1275
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: the writing of Aleilia Bundles, who is Madam C. J.

1276
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: Walker's great great granddaughter. Wow, So she basically wrote her

1277
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: family story and the rest of the sources are in

1278
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: our show notes. So, Madam C. J. Walker's birth name

1279
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 2: is Sarah Breedlove. So that's how she starts this story,

1280
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: and it does start in December of eighteen sixty seven,

1281
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: two years after the end of the Civil War. Sarah

1282
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: Breedlove is born on the same cotton plantation in Delta,

1283
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 2: Louisiana that her parents, Owen and Minerva, have been enslaved

1284
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 2: on from a few years earlier, so this is early

1285
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: post emancipation. And although Owen and Minerva technically are free,

1286
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 2: they work the exact same fields now as sharecroppers, and

1287
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: so if you're not familiar with the reality of sharecropping,

1288
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 2: it was a physically brutal and deeply exploitative system, explicitly

1289
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: designed to keep black families trapped in debt and financially

1290
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: dependent on their white landlords so they could make a

1291
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: little bit of money, but it was not like the

1292
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: normal free trade being a regular farmer. So Sarah is

1293
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: one of six children, and when she is just seven

1294
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: years old, both of her parents die. Many historians believe

1295
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: it's from an illness like yellow fever or cholera, but

1296
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: officially their causes of death are unclear, probably unregistered. So

1297
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Speaker 2: the now orphan Sarah moves in with her older sister, Luvinia,

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: But then Luvinia marries an abusive man and Sarah becomes

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01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 2: desperate to get away from him and get out of

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: that home. So when she's just fourteen years old, she

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: marries a sharecropper named Moses McWilliams, and when she's seventeen,

1302
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 2: she gives birth to their first child, their daughter named Lilia,

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01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: who will later go by Alilia, which is the family

1304
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: name that Alilia bundles I think inherited. But then two

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01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: years after that, Moses, her husband, Moses dies, So now

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01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: at just twenty one years old, Sarah is left to

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01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: support herself and her daughter all alone. So they moved

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01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: to Saint Louis, Missouri, where four of Sarah's brothers live,

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 2: all of them working as barbers. She builds real community

1310
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 2: in Saint Louis. She becomes deeply involved at her local

1311
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: African Methodist Episcopal church, and of course she has to

1312
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 2: work hard to make ends meet. Between church functions. Sarah

1313
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: works exhausting shifts as a laundress that regularly stretch late

1314
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: into the night, but she still only takes home around

1315
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 2: two dollars a week, and that would be how much

1316
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: in today's money, twenty five dollars seventy five dollars still

1317
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: not great. Now she is stretched thin in every way,

1318
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: but she always looks really nice and put together because

1319
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: she believes that as a laundress, if she looks amazing,

1320
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: wears beautiful tailored clothes that will attract more clients, she'll

1321
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: be her own example. Of how she can make you

1322
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 2: look good. Yeah, the way she looks good Beyond her work,

1323
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: she sees how her outward appearance affects the way people

1324
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: treat her as a black woman. So it's that idea

1325
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: where you can't be casual and you can't be comfortable,

1326
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: you have to be proving yourself right time. Well, while

1327
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: Sarah can always ensure that her clothes are crisp and clean,

1328
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: what she can't always control is her hair. So now

1329
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: she's in her thirty she's been struggling with scalp irritation

1330
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: and hair loss for years, and she's consulted her barber

1331
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: brothers and tried about every product on the market, most

1332
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: manufactured by white wren companies. Nothing is really helping. Sarah's

1333
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: not alone at this time, as her daughter Alilia Bundles

1334
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: will later note. Quote during the early nineteen hundreds, when

1335
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: most Americans lacked indoor plumbing and electricity, bathing was a luxury.

1336
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: As a result, Sarah and many other women were going

1337
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 2: bald because they washed their hair so infrequently, leaving it

1338
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 2: vulnerable to environmental hazards such as pollution, bacteria, and lice

1339
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: end quote. So that's that thing where my grandmother a

1340
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: similar version, but it's like she would get her hair

1341
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: done at this salon Shampoosset once a week, once a

1342
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: week at the most, and so it'd be like you

1343
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: had to preserve this total hairdo. And then for black

1344
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 2: women it's even more so. It's like you can't get

1345
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: someone to get it done correctly, not burn your scalp off,

1346
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: like all those.

1347
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: Things products aren't there. Yeah, yeah, So.

1348
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: You're just trying to preserve what you have most of

1349
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: the time. Then Sarah meets someone new and it's her

1350
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 2: second husband. His name's John Davis. Their relationship is described

1351
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: as quote troubled, and they also end up divorcing. So

1352
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: Sarah finds herself single again. She's thirty five with a child,

1353
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: and she is totally unsure as to what her future

1354
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: will hold. She'll later say, quote, I was at my

1355
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: tubs one morning with a heavy wash before me. As

1356
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: I bent over the washboard and looked at my arms

1357
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 2: buried in soap SuDS, I said to myself, what are

1358
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: you going to do when you grow old and your

1359
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: back gets stiff. Who's going to take care of your

1360
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: little girl? So Sarah has been an amazing mother to

1361
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: her child. By nineteen oh five, Alilia has graduated high school.

1362
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 2: She now goes to Knoxville College in Tennessee, and once

1363
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: that happens, Sarah realizes her daughter is an independent young

1364
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: woman and college student, so she now decides to go

1365
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 2: to Denver so she can be closer to a family

1366
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 2: member who's going through tough times. At this point, when

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: she arrives in Denver, she has a dollar fifty to

1368
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: her name. Oh my god, and that's how much in

1369
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 2: today's money, ninety fifty five?

1370
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 3: Fuck?

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01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, you're right, that makes more sense.

1372
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: Still a frightening low number to travel across the country with.

1373
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 2: By the end of the next year, in nineteen oh six,

1375
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: Sarah will have married again. This time her new husband

1376
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 2: is Charles Joseph Walker, and he's an ad sales for

1377
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: a black newspaper. They actually met back in Saint Louis

1378
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: and started falling in love back there, so the relationship

1379
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 2: starts back there and she has to move to Colorado,

1380
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: and when she does that, she takes on domestic work

1381
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: like cooking and white households, and on the side, she

1382
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: continues her work as a sales rep for a beauty

1383
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 2: company that she also had started back in Saint Louis.

1384
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: The company is owned by a businesswoman named Annie Malone.

1385
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: Annie Malone is also black, and she's one of the

1386
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: first women in America to build a national cosmetics empire.

1387
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: Her company is called Poro, and it sells various beauty

1388
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 2: and hair care products based on what she calls quote

1389
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: the Poro system. It's geared at treating black women's scalps

1390
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 2: and strengthening their hair, which is something of course, Sarah

1391
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: is very interested in. Annie Malone has amassed a huge

1392
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: sales network that employs thousands of girls and women across

1393
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: the US, including Sarah, at a time when black women's

1394
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: job options were basically limited to domestic labor and sharecropping,

1395
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: so it's almost like, these are products we need desperately,

1396
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: and all you have to do is get your little

1397
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: kit and go out into the world and you can

1398
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: sell thee so brilliant. Malone has also launched a successful

1399
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 2: cosmetics school in Saint Louis. That doubles is a meeting

1400
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: place for black organizations who have been barred from meeting

1401
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: at other public venues, so you can kind of see

1402
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: the career of annimal Alone really is starting to provide

1403
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 2: a blueprint for Sarah and her story and how it

1404
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: turns out. Because Sarah uses POORO products and she sells

1405
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: poro products, but she still seeks advice from pharmacists and

1406
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 2: other people familiar with the medicinal ingredients of effective hair products,

1407
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: and so she starts tinkering with her own hair care formulas.

1408
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: Using herself as a guinea pig. She develops three products

1409
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: that she thinks are particularly effective. Her vegetable shampoo, which

1410
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 2: has ingredients like honey, tea, tree oil, and sage in

1411
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: it right meant to help with dandruff and scalp irritation.

1412
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: Then there's a product called Glossine I'm assuming it's pronounced glossin,

1413
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: which is a hair oil that's intended for both men

1414
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: and women to help soften hair and make it more shiny.

1415
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: Then there's a famous product called Wonderful Hair Grower. The

1416
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: name basically says it all, and it has an ingredients

1417
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: like beeswax, petroleum, jelly, and coconut oil. Sarah claims that

1418
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: her hair grower formula came to her from the divine.

1419
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: She says, quote, God answered my prayer. For one night

1420
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 2: I had a dream and in that dream, A big

1421
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: black man appeared to me and told me what to

1422
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: mix up for my hair. Some of the remedy was

1423
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 2: grown in Africa, but I sent for it, mixed it,

1424
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: put it on my scalp, and in a few weeks

1425
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: my hair was coming in faster than it had ever

1426
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: fallen out.

1427
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: Wow.

1428
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: I tried it on my friends. It helped them. I

1429
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 2: made up my mind I would begin to sell it

1430
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 2: end quotes. So this is how she does it it.

1431
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: Here's a recipe. Yes, wow, exactly. So keeping in mind that,

1432
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 2: of course, starting a business is a herculean task for

1433
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: black Americans in this era, PBS points out quote along

1434
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: the indelible color line that court cases like Plus versus

1435
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: Ferguson drew. Black people in the turn of the century

1436
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 2: America were excluded from most trade unions and denied bank capital,

1437
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: resulting in trapped lives as sharecroppers or menial, low wage earners.

1438
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 2: But because the white establishment doesn't see black beauty brands

1439
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 2: as competition with white owned businesses, entrepreneurs like Sarah and

1440
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: Annie Malone they have more opportunity because they're going into

1441
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: an area that those people don't care about or even understand. Also,

1442
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 2: these products have fairly low startup costs, So Sarah Breedlove

1443
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: leaves the POORO company. She invests in her own ingredients,

1444
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 2: her own jars, and then she starts selling her own

1445
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: formulas herself, door to door. And it's around this time

1446
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: that she takes her husband's last name, so she starts

1447
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: going by Madam C. J. Walker and that's what she

1448
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 2: names her new business. And it not only gives her

1449
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: this era of French sophistication, it's also an act of

1450
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: resistance because in this era, white Americans tend to dismissively

1451
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 2: refer to Black women, either by diminutives like Auntie or Sally,

1452
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 2: or just by their first name. Women might be called

1453
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: miss or missus. So basically, Sarah putting Madam C. J.

1454
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: Walker into her name demands respect.

1455
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, sugar in the system, Yeah right.

1456
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: So I'll be calling her Madam C. J. Walker from

1457
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,639
Speaker 2: here on out. So, taking a page from Annie Malone's

1458
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: Poro company, Madam C. J. Walker rolls out an entire

1459
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 2: hair care system for black women. In addition to those

1460
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 2: first three products that I've already told you about, her

1461
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 2: line also includes lotions, palmades, and combs. And it operates

1462
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: on the ethos the black women should feel pride in

1463
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: themselves and in their appearances. The tins all feature an

1464
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: image of Madam C. J. Walker herself, and her dark

1465
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: skin tone is a strong contrast to every other beauty

1466
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 2: product on the market that uses white or white passing

1467
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: women on their labels. So here the original can oh wow.

1468
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: So she's like, Madam C. J. Walker, do you do

1469
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 2: you need this for your hair? Here's my hair? Yeah,

1470
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: here's a gorgeous my face is like, how powerful would

1471
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: that to just one day find that at the store? Yeah?

1472
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: That's incredible? Yeah, my god, so good.

1473
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: So before long, the Madam C. J. Walker brand is

1474
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,759
Speaker 2: earning around ten dollars a week, which is worth around

1475
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 2: do you want to do it?

1476
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: I can't remember like.

1477
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 2: Seventy three hundred and sixty dollars. So she's making wow,

1478
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: about four hundred bucks a week in today's month. Shit

1479
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: and more cash always seems to be coming in. So

1480
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: she hits the road. She spends more than a year

1481
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 2: and a half traveling across the country to black communities,

1482
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: particularly in the South, and she's demonstrating her products in

1483
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 2: churches and at community gatherings and after knocking on countless doors.

1484
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 2: Back home, she uses her husband's expertise in advertising and

1485
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 2: she begins posting ads in black newspapers. So smart, right,

1486
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: It said that her consistent ad dollars became the lifeblood

1487
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: of some of these black publications over the years. So

1488
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: it's so smart. It's bring it to your community, keep

1489
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: the money in your community, like this is their product.

1490
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: And then the white man isn't watching you. You can

1491
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,879
Speaker 2: make some a nice living for yourself.

1492
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing.

1493
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: By nineteen oh eight, Madam C. J. Walker has become

1494
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 2: so successful she opens her own cosmetic school. She names

1495
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: it Lilia College after her daughter, and her daughter will

1496
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: go on to manage that school when she grows up.

1497
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: Madam C. J. Walker trains her beauty school students to

1498
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 2: become quote hair culturalists so that they can share she

1499
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: would love TikTok today, she would fucking destroy on TikTok today,

1500
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 2: so that they can share her hair care methods throughout

1501
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: the country. So basically, she teaches all of the women

1502
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: who are become her sales people. It's one step further

1503
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: in that of like, you're not just salespeople, your hair culturalists.

1504
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: You're going to help them get their hair back.

1505
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: I love it.

1506
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 2: Within a few years of that, Madam Walker opens her

1507
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: own factory, complete with a second cosmetic school and a

1508
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 2: beauty salon inside it.

1509
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: This is going.

1510
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 2: It's a time of incredible growth for Madam C. J.

1511
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: Walker and her business, sadly not for her personal life.

1512
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: She ends up divorcing her third husband, Charles Joseph Walker,

1513
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: over quote business differences. What she does is she keeps

1514
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: his last name though, because she's not changing that for this.

1515
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: Even though she's become an overwhelming success in business in

1516
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: just a couple of years, Madame C. J. Walker is

1517
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: not getting the recognition she deserves from the male dominated

1518
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: black business establishment. This includes famed educator and advocate Booker T. Washington,

1519
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,799
Speaker 2: who's the head of what's known then as the National

1520
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: Negro Business League. It's now been renamed the National Business League,

1521
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 2: but at the time it connected black entrepreneurs across the country,

1522
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 2: aiming to support them and black businesses. So the people

1523
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 2: of Madame C. J. Walker's era have a stigma against

1524
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 2: black beauty brands largely run by women. The stigma is

1525
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 2: that it puts undue focus on appearance at a time

1526
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: when real bodily violence is regularly being waged on Black Americans. Also,

1527
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 2: the criticism is that they're selling products that push white

1528
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: beauty standards. But when this accusation comes up, Madame C. J.

1529
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: Walker consistently pushes back on this idea that her products

1530
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: are somehow helping black women assimilate into the white status quo.

1531
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: She was once quoted as saying, quote, let me correct

1532
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: the erroneous impression held by some that I claim to

1533
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: straighten hair. I deplore such an impression because I've always

1534
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: held myself out as a hair culturalist. I grow hair.

1535
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 2: She lisn't straight in here, Yeah, she grows it. End quote.

1536
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 2: As the official website for the Madam C. J. Walker

1537
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 2: Estate notes, there is a persistent falsehood that she invented

1538
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: straightening combs and chemical perms.

1539
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: She did not.

1540
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 2: Deniable fact is that by nineteen twelve, Madame C. J.

1541
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: Walker is employing around sixteen hundred salespeople and generating about

1542
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars a month, which is more than one

1543
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty thousand dollars a month in today's money.

1544
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: Wa shit. She is a business powerhouse who's always working

1545
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: to expand her operation, even spending time in Central American

1546
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: and Caribbean nations. We were just there in a Caribbean nation,

1547
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 2: and yet none of that even gets her a mention

1548
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: at the nineteen twelve National Business League convention. And you

1549
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: better believe she is there in the audience, and she's

1550
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: so frustrated she stands up and addresses Booker T. Washington

1551
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: directly in front of everyone, saying, quote, surely you are

1552
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 2: not going to shut the door in my face. I'm

1553
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: a woman who started a business seven years ago with

1554
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: only a dollar fifty. I went into a business that

1555
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 2: is despised, that is criticized and talked about by everybody,

1556
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: the business of growing hair. I've been trying to get

1557
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 2: before you builusiness people to tell you what I'm doing.

1558
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm a woman who came from the cotton fields of

1559
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,919
Speaker 2: the South. From there, I was promoted to the washtub.

1560
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: Then I was promoted to the cook kitchen, and from

1561
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: there I promoted myself into the business of manufacturing hair

1562
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 2: goods and preparations. My object in life is not simply

1563
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: to make money for myself or to spend it on myself.

1564
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 2: I love to use a part of what I make

1565
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: in trying to help others in nineteen thirteen, Madame C. J.

1566
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 2: Walker donates one thousand dollars, which is more than thirty

1567
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in today's money, to help fund the building

1568
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 2: of a Black YMCA in Indianapolis. It's so much money

1569
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 2: it grabs national newspaper headlines. And just for perspective, the

1570
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: average black family's income around this time is around twelve

1571
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: dollars a week.

1572
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: Jesus, and she donates a thousand she.

1573
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, yeah, so she's undeniable. Yeah, and god, how

1574
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 2: frustrating for her that like oh yeah, they just well

1575
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you do that thing, right, which is

1576
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 2: what culture does to women. You do something you're successful, Well,

1577
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: that's immoral. You shouldn't do that. That's bad. Vocal fry.

1578
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 2: We've all you land in the winter circle and they

1579
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: figure out all the ways to push you out. You

1580
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm talking about. You have no experience

1581
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: like this, What do you mean? What in the world

1582
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 2: could you mean? But the good news is Booker T.

1583
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: Washington did take her seriously, and so he invites her

1584
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: to the next year's nineteen thirteen National Business League convention,

1585
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: and he invites her to address attendees who come and

1586
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,599
Speaker 2: he also comes to Indianapolis for the YMCA's dedication ceremony.

1587
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

1588
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: It's reported that Madame Walker sends her chauffeur to pick

1589
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 2: him up from the train station and she has him

1590
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: stay at her home as a guest.

1591
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1592
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: So she's going to show him exactly how successful she is.

1593
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 2: Well baller right, love this woman where she got this

1594
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: spirit and it like clearly it's like her parents where

1595
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: people are like, will do it ourselves. Yeah, well we'll

1596
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: go and do it then. Incredible and her brothers four

1597
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 2: barberous yeah, like kutzba Yeah. So by nineteen sixteen, when

1598
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: she's around forty nine years old, Madam C. J. Walker

1599
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: has grown a national network of around forty thousand salespeopleh god.

1600
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,879
Speaker 2: She begins organizing them into regional chapters who meet annually

1601
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: at their own conventions. The inaugural Madam C. J. Walker

1602
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 2: Hair Culturalists' Union of American Convention is held in nineteen seventeen.

1603
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1604
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: So in nineteen twelve they try to push her out

1605
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: and within four years she's got her own fucking convention.

1606
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: Is how she does it.

1607
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

1608
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 2: And it's one of the first national businesswomen conferences in

1609
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: American history. She's a separate from skin color. Madam C. J.

1610
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: Walker uses that meeting to celebrate and reward her employees

1611
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: for their hard work. It's said that she is widely

1612
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 2: considered to be a wonderful boss. Wow. But this beauty

1613
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: convention is also expressly political. Now, the summer of nineteen

1614
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: seventeen is remembered as a particularly violent period, with many

1615
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,799
Speaker 2: incidents of horrific racist brutality at the hands of white mobs.

1616
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 2: It's only four years later that the burning of Black

1617
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: Wall Street happened, which we talk about on this show,

1618
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 2: which is a horrible example of one of those moments. Okay, So,

1619
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: at the nineteen seventeen convention, Madame C. J. Walker tells

1620
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 2: her employees quote, this is the greatest country under the sun.

1621
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 2: But we must not let our love of our country,

1622
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: our patriotic loyalty cause us to abate one wit in

1623
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: our protest against wrong and injustice. End quote. That same summer,

1624
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: Madame C. J. Walker is among the organizers of a

1625
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: march down New York City's Fifth Avenue protesting racial violence.

1626
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: Wow.

1627
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: Many of her employees participate. Meanwhile, her net worth is

1628
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: ballooning and etching her into history as one of the

1629
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:01,639
Speaker 2: very first self made female millionaires ever. Holy fucking shit,

1630
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: how do we not know about this? Why isn't that

1631
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 2: name a household name?

1632
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: Wow? Thatdam c J.

1633
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 2: Walker buys beautiful homes in several cities. She begins building

1634
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: an impressive thirty five room, three story mansion in Irvington

1635
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: on Hudson, New York, oh, twenty miles north of the

1636
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 2: city in Westchester, cow, Oh my god. And this is

1637
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 2: the area where several white male Gilded Age tycoons have

1638
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: built estates. And it's said that Madam Walker wants to

1639
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: live here specifically to symbolize God. She's the greatest.

1640
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: She's the great God I figured.

1641
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: Out specifically to symbolize everything that a black woman can accomplish.

1642
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, I fucking love it.

1643
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: She's like the original version of representation matters. Put your

1644
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: face on the can. Yeah, put your fucking house next

1645
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 2: to the white tay king.

1646
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: Stand up at the convention that won't acknowledge you and

1647
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: tell them why they fucking will and must acknowledge you.

1648
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: I'll be here next year and hear the reasons why

1649
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: Booker T. Washington Dude, so awesome. Okay, she even contacts

1650
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 2: New York's first registered black architect to build.

1651
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: That property for amazing, just badass. Yeah.

1652
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: As her Westchester mansion is being completed, Madam C. J.

1653
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: Walker spends much of her time in Harlem, and she

1654
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: becomes very passionate about the NAACP's anti lynching work that

1655
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: they have started. She donates the equivalent of one hundred

1656
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 2: and twenty six thousand dollars in today's money to them,

1657
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 2: and in nineteen seventeen, she visits the White House to

1658
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: advocate for federal anti lynching laws. She's going all the

1659
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: way there. Yeah, this isn't like, Oh, that might affect

1660
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: my reputation if I get into that business. Less than

1661
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 2: two years later, in nineteen nineteen, Madam C. J. Walker

1662
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 2: dies of kidney failure brought on by hypertension. She's fifty

1663
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: one years old.

1664
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

1665
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,600
Speaker 2: Not long before her death, she updates her will so

1666
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: that two thirds of her future net profits from her

1667
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: company go to charity. Wow, her family has plenty. Yeah,

1668
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 2: that's how you do it.

1669
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1670
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: She leaves about one hundred thousand dollars of her fortune,

1671
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 2: which is more than two point five million today, to

1672
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: causes like funding schools, civil rights organizations and Black community institutions.

1673
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 2: After her death, Madame C. J. Walker's beloved daughter, Alilia

1674
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: carries her mother's legacy forward and becomes one of the

1675
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: most important patrons of black artists and thinkers during the

1676
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Harlem Renaissance. Alilia will pass in nineteen thirty one, when

1677
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: she's in her mid forties, also of complications caused by hypertension.

1678
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: Decades later, her namesake in Madam C. J. Walker's great

1679
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: great granddaughter, Alilia Bundles, whose research has been cited extensively

1680
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 2: in this story, works to preserve her family's history and

1681
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: to tell their complete story of Madame C. J.

1682
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:49,799
Speaker 1: Walker.

1683
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,439
Speaker 2: Alilia said quote, when I look at her life, I

1684
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: think it's fabulous that she became a millionaire. It's stunning

1685
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: that she became a millionaire. But for me, the most

1686
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 2: lasting LEGO see is that she empowered people and that

1687
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 2: she used her money to make a difference in her

1688
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: community and to show other people their ability to make

1689
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: a difference in their communities. End quote. And that's the

1690
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 2: story of Madam C. J. Walker.

1691
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we should do a donation and this

1692
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: good idea. Where do you want to do it too?

1693
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: How about the NAACP. Let's do it sound good?

1694
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, time, Graham, if.

1695
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 2: We could only be I know a tenth of what

1696
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: Madam C. J.

1697
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: Walker was really, which in today's percentage is ten grand.

1698
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 2: It is ten grand to the NAACP.

1699
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah, great job. Thank you

1700
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: hit all the spots right, yeah, inspiring and fun yeah,

1701
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: and tiktoking and hair. And she didn't fucking need TikTok

1702
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: even she did it herself.

1703
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: She went out there and did it herself.

1704
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 1: That's right.

1705
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 2: Found the niche, She found the unanswered niche.

1706
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: She answered, you, guys, find yours. We'll be there supporting

1707
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: and backing you up, and we're fucking on your side.

1708
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: And then once you do that, right into us, aid

1709
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 2: my favorite murder at gmail dot com, and tell us

1710
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: all about all of your dreams coming true.

1711
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to write in your vision board.

1712
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: Manifesting style like it's already happened, right, or if it

1713
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 2: already did, tell us I built my mansion on Irvington

1714
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 2: on Hudson right next to all the other tycoons.

1715
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. We appreciate you

1716
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 1: as always, forever and ever.

1717
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: We appreciate you watching if you're on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do.

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01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: This is podcasting.

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01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 1: Have you heard of it? Podcasting twenty twenty six? Baby?

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01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 3: Hey, all right, we'd go this is really going to

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 3: be a true honking hooray.

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01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, because you love to hank the horn. I do.

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01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 3: And I can't read while I'm driving or get viciously

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01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 3: car sick.

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01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 2: Now, so I will handle reading all the honking horays. Also,

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01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: thank you to Hyundai for letting us present the honking

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01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 2: Horays in action in a moving car in my actual Hyundai. Also,

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 2: I just want to point out that this car has

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 2: air conditioning in the seat, in the seats in the seat.

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01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Our butts are so air conditioned right now.

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01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 2: Can't even tell you, as a middle aged woman, how

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01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: important this feature is to me. It's truly innovative. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you want to start these?

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01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Read to me please.

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01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Here's our first honking Horay presented by Hyundai. It says

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01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: hi to my closest galpals that I've never actually met.

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01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 2: While listening to your Rewin episode The Great Guy Law

1739
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: Time New Year Spectacular featuring Guy Brana, I had a

1740
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: full circle moment the last time I heard this episode

1741
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 2: was eight years ago, when I had just packed up

1742
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 2: my life and moved across the country for law school.

1743
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 2: I was also more than tired of studying for my

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01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 2: final criminal law exam. So imagine my joy when I

1745
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 2: realized Karen and Georgia were suddenly helping me review the

1746
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: Mignoton rule. Do you remember that? Yeah? And y'all, I

1747
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 2: ace that exam. You and Guy Branham are absolutely welcome

1748
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,759
Speaker 2: to take the credit. That alone is a major hooray.

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: But the bigger hooray is this. The episode reminded me

1750
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 2: of how far I've come since then cops, the real cops,

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01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 2: Yes from behind, from the side, Okay, okay. In the

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01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 2: eight years since, I've tackled plenty of obstacles like taking

1753
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: the bar exam in my bathroom, and then it says, yes, really,

1754
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: thanks COVID, and you're charming at home testing rules that

1755
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,800
Speaker 2: disqualified every other room in my apartment. Oh, and yet

1756
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 2: here we are in twenty twenty five, two dogs, one husband,

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01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: one baby, one law degree later, and MFM was the

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01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,799
Speaker 2: soundtrack to it all. Hooray for women in male dominated fields,

1759
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 2: for working moms, and for Guy Branham's criminal law expertise,

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01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Stay sexy, and don't forget how far you've come. Amanda.

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01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Congratulations.

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01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: Amanda is a mom, a lawyer, a badass, and it's

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: all because of us. Do you understand?

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01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: You gratulations and you're welcome.

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 2: I think the McNaughton rule really came alive when we

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01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: talked about it and found about it. That's right. Here's

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01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 2: the next one. Okay, this says airplane horay and it

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01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 2: says high ladies. My horay is my flight. I fly

1769
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: almost every week for work, so flights typically don't bother me.

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01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 2: On this flight, we had taken off and we were

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01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 2: in the air for about an hour when they told

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 2: us to turn around and make an emergency landing due

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01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: to the in all caps hydraulic system having a break

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01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 2: in it. That's right, very similar to episode for eighty six.

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01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,560
Speaker 2: Take these from me. That was the time these episodes. I,

1776
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: having just listened to this episode, started to freak out.

1777
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: While simultaneously keeping a calm composure. All I could do

1778
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 2: was think about, oh God, this is going to be

1779
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: just like that MFM episode. Luckily, the amazing pilots landed

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01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: safe and sound with just a little more than a jolt.

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01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for helping me make my commutes entertaining.

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01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: Brad h Brad, Glad you survived.

1783
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 2: Brad, you really did it.

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01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

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01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to read another one, okay, because this one's

1786
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: really fun. This says you guys. Listening to the recent

1787
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 2: Colin Ferrell hometown made me remember I had something to share.

1788
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 2: I went across the pond for the first time recently

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01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: where I got engaged. That's a horay in itself, but

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01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 2: the best part of my trip going to a small

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01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 2: town in England where we met some people at a

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01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,480
Speaker 2: pub who were obsessed with my fiance over his resemblance

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01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 2: to Colin Ferrell. We hung out and got drunk with

1794
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 2: them for hours. Not once did they call him by

1795
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 2: his real name. For one magical night, I was engaged

1796
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,400
Speaker 2: to a movie star. So hooray for my super haughty

1797
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 2: boyfriend soon to be my husband. Love you, Ryan, who

1798
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade for anyone in the world, even Colin.

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01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: And that's from test a test test. That's a really sweet,

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01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: honking horay. It's about love. It's about appreciating Irish people,

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01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean English.

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01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 1: People should be Irish people, going to bars and meeting

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01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: new people all.

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01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: The great things in this world. Yeah, well those are

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01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 2: our honking Horays.

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01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. Thanks Hyundai for giving us this

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01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:15,440
Speaker 1: car to drive around.

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01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: And for sponsoring our honking Horays. Ye stay sexy, oh yeah, and.

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01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

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01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

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01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

1813
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Lascevedo.

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01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,920
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01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,840
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01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:52,519
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1820
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1821
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,400
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1822
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