1 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to the OTP. I'm Amy Wells. Every spring we 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time talking about the evaluation process 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: and how each team goes about the business of selecting 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: the roster for the upcoming season. We compare measurements and statistics, 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: We watch people jump and run and throw and catch. 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: We lay out their history both on and off the field. 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: But there's one area that we don't talk about much. 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: That's the language of scouting. You see, every draft room 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: across the league speaks its own language. It's the way 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: they communicate to one another what they are seeing when 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: they look at a certain prospect. General manager Mike Borgonzi 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: made reference to that language on his very first day 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: as a Titan, and then again with our own Retbrian 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: at the NFL Scouting combine in Indianapolis. That a portion 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: of that conversation right here on the OTP. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: I want to go back to one of your first 17 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: availabilities as general manager of the Titans, and you mentioned 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: about generational talent. It's clear that there's some generational talent 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: I think that everybody agrees on near the top of 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: this thing. And with the number one pick, obviously that's 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: you said that and everybody ran and wrote columns about 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: it and all those kinds of things. But you mentioned 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: something that harkens back to a conversation that coach Mack 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: and Amy had in a previous podcast a few years 25 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: ago with Mike Giddings junior with the pro scout stuff 26 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 2: that his dad did back in the seventies, and you 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: mentioned blue players, and without giving away trade secrets, I 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: want to ask you about the color coded system and 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: obviously it sounds like you use a modified version of 30 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: that and how that works. 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 32 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: You know, the first time I was introduced to that 33 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: was in Kansas City when John Dorsey came from Green Bay. 34 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: So we do use that color code system, Blue being 35 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 4: the highest level player. That's what we call a raar 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: player in the league. Generational player League. It's a rare 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 4: skill set of physical talent, character makeup that all goes 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: into making that player a blue player, And basically we 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: just go down there's four different levels of starters. There's 40 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 4: a Red player, which is an impact player, a Gold 41 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: player which is a good starter, and then you have 42 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: starters with limitations, and then you have backups. So we've 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: kind of tweaked that skill a little bit over the 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 4: years is the leagues evolved a little bit, just to 45 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: add a little bit more definition into the scale. But 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 4: that's something that I took back. I guess it was 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: twenty thirteen when I really started working with that scale. 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: But you guys, you speak your own language with that, 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: because it's like when you're talking to another evaluator. You're 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: talking about all right, I see a linebacker. He's got 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: blue feet, right, So that we want to speak the 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: same language. 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 4: So we're in the room. This is a red player, 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 4: this is a black player, you know, so we want 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 4: to be on the same page and speak the same 56 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: language when we're in that room. That's all part of 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 4: the process and setting up a new system and it's 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: a little bit new to these guys now. And you know, 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 4: we went through it for this past like three weeks 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: and meetings, but that's the only way to teach it 61 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 4: is actually go through the meetings and you watching tape. Okay, 62 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: this is what a blue player looks like. This is 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: what a red player looks like. So everybody's on the 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 4: same page when we're discussing the evaluation of the player. 65 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 5: That's uh, he mentioned Amy. I know, Mike gettings very well, 66 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 5: you know the time I've been in the league and Gibs, 67 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 5: when they started putting that that that thing out, I 68 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 5: was pretty I understand that that language. What's important about 69 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 5: that he is, as you say, when you're bringing everybody 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 5: else together and we're gonna have we're gonna have gettings on. 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 5: I think, you know, with with what we've we've talked 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 5: about before, that's uh that that's very important and it's 73 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 5: very interesting too. I was glad to hear that. 74 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he I mean he invented that whole scale, 75 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: and it's carried on into the league and different organizations 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: and people have kind of tweaked it a little bit, 77 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 4: and we did in Kansas City a little bit, but 78 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 4: it was really you know, he really started that that 79 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: whole system, and it's something that's carried over for years. 80 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: How long does it take to instill that in a 81 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: new group because it is a little different language, a 82 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: little different code. Does it take a minute to kind 83 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: of get the reps under you and get refamiliar with 84 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: what each thing means? 85 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: Sure, I think it's just like being out in the 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 4: field in practice. When you're practice in place, it's the 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 4: same thing. So when we go through the process that 88 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: we had to stop a couple times for discussions about 89 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: this is what this means in the process, this is 90 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 4: how we this is how we evaluate this position. This 91 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 4: is what a blue means, this is what a red means. 92 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: So we went through all that in those meetings, and 93 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 4: it's important to have patience in the process too when 94 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 4: you're doing it, because you want to teach it the 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: right way, to make sure everybody's on the same page, 96 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 4: everybody speaking the same language, so we can make the 97 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 4: best decisions for the team. 98 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: Taking that time to really be all football all the 99 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: time with the same group of people day in and 100 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: day out, not only from an evaluation standpoint, but just 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: from a team standpoint. Getting to understand how the other 102 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: guys in the room approach things, how they talk. That 103 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: has to be so beneficial too. 104 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: It is and for our so you know, we played sports, 105 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 4: it's it's like being in the locker room. You know, 106 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 4: that's where you build that camaraderie and that bond and 107 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: that you know, that togetherness is when you're going through 108 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: those meetings, it's it's very similar to you know, for 109 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 4: me and for a lot of people that played, it's 110 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 4: like being in the locker room, and and that's where 111 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 4: you really start to get that rapport with everybody else 112 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: on the team, and you start to become a team 113 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 4: when you're going through that process. 114 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: This summer, Seat Geek has your ticket to the best 115 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: live concerts in Nashville at Nissan Stadium. 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The answer is Mike Gettings and 125 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: a company called pro Scout Incorporated. We had the chance 126 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: to talk with his son, Mike Gettings Junior, who is 127 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: the current president of pro Scout, to get a better 128 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: understanding of this system, the business and the impact that 129 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: they have had on the NFL. Here's my conversation with 130 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 1: Mike Gettings Junior, joined by the great Dave McGinnis, better 131 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: known as Coach Mac. I guess I'm just going to 132 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: start with Pro Scout Incorporated. That is your business, and 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: I'm kind of wondering what exactly that is and the 134 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: genesis of that whole industry of scouting. 135 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 6: My father started the company back in nineteen seventy seven. 136 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: He was the former coach in the NFL. 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 6: And he came up with the idea of Pro Scout 138 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 6: when there was a competing league called the World Football League, 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 6: and he was the head coach GM of the Hawaii 140 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 6: team and the World Football League started before the NFL 141 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 6: and the NFL had their final cuts. About halfway through 142 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 6: the season of the World Football League, he added about 143 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 6: ten players who got cut and it turned. 144 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: Around their season. 145 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 6: So he came up the thought was, Wow, there are 146 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 6: guys that get cut at the end of the season 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 6: that have the ability to play in the league. Maybe 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 6: there was an abundance of players at the position or 149 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 6: a wrong fit. After the World Football League folded, he 150 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 6: went to the Denver Broncos as the offensive line coach 151 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 6: and first club director of pro personnel and stayed there 152 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 6: for a year and had this idea for the company, 153 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 6: and it started off with six teams back in nineteen 154 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 6: seventy seven, and we've had his mini at sixteen. 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 3: I came on board after playing at Illinois. 156 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 6: In nineteen eighty eight and kind of the color system 157 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: that most team used for players pro Scott and Bennett 158 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 6: back in nineteen seventy seven, So instead of using numbers, 159 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 6: we identified players as blue, red, purple, orange players instead 160 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 6: of using numbers. And it's first started off with to 161 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 6: upgrade the bottom of the roster. Then came Plan B, 162 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: then came the free agency, became the salary cap, and. 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: It's evolved into. 164 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 6: Kind of helping teams make their rosters analytics heightweight, and 165 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 6: forty times and kind of identifying maybe players who are declining. 166 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: So you don't make a fiscal mistake with them gains. 167 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 5: This is so interesting again. I came into the league 168 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty six with the Bears, and and you 169 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 5: know when I was first exposed, you know, to the 170 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 5: Gettings Book. And let me just say this, and I 171 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 5: think I'm not speaking anything out of school here. The 172 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 5: Gettings Book was something very valuable to teams because the 173 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 5: information was not shared. It was not shared, and you guys, 174 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 5: you guys sold it exclusively to clubs that were willing 175 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 5: to not only purchase it, but to be within that realm. 176 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 5: But you never you never went public with it. You 177 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 5: never went public with it. And so when you when 178 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: you had access to this, it really especially back back then. 179 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 5: As I said, I came in in eighty six and 180 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: it opened up a whole new world. You know, I 181 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 5: learned a lot of how to just evaluate National Football 182 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 5: League players, you know, you know from that, and to 183 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 5: me it was fascinating because then when I told Amy, 184 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 5: I want to get Mike gettings on for two reasons. 185 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 5: First of all, he's a great dude. Second of all, 186 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 5: he's a good friend of myself and Jeff Fisher's. And 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: third of all, what he and his dad did, I said, 188 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 5: people don't really know about because now you've got all 189 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 5: these scouting services, you got everything on the internet, you've 190 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 5: got everything that's out there that's available, and everybody is 191 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 5: an expert. Now, okay, but you guys truly were the 192 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 5: ones that could boil it down for an NFL team. 193 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 5: And as you said, just what you said to identified 194 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 5: declining players. So you didn't make a fiscal mistake on 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 5: somebody off of reputation. Only talk to me a little 196 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: bit about how your dad came up with that color 197 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: system and how you guys have refined it. 198 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 6: It was interesting, you know, he went to count and Max. 199 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 6: He was one of those guys that you remember the 200 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 6: old days you had to, you know, draw up the 201 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 6: cards and the hill boards. He could draw the perfect 202 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 6: circles and squares in lines, in zags, and his printing 203 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 6: was impeccable. 204 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: It was it was like it was like computer generated. 205 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 6: Right, So every coach was in love, like, okay, we 206 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 6: know who were doing the cards. 207 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 3: Nobody liked doing the cards. 208 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 6: And he got the idea from you remember the old 209 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 6: ram scout John Math. 210 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah. 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 6: And so John Math kind of goes like I, I 212 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 6: you know back you know the zero printing out staffs 213 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 6: and things like I hate look at numbers, goes, why 214 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 6: don't you use colors? So we do use a number 215 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 6: system to evaluate and it correlates to a color. So 216 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 6: the book and in the old days, you know, we 217 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,359 Speaker 6: used to hand color. 218 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: Of the books. 219 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 6: I'd go get a bunch of my high school friends 220 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 6: and we'd have coloring books at the you know, the 221 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 6: end of the season, coloring up teams and what what 222 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 6: what you know? Then we created you know, some axioms 223 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 6: and and the color is basically what we tried to 224 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 6: do is is correlate it to if we were the owner, 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 6: how much would we pay what's the worth of the player? 226 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 6: So blue being the highest color, you know, the blues 227 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 6: should be the highest paid. And the kind of structure 228 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 6: that I would say, what we always tried to do. 229 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 6: We always thought it was our dollars or our money 230 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 6: if you were acquiring a player, and what was the cost, 231 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 6: and to not make fiscal mistakes. 232 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: And then the other key one. 233 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 6: With my dad being a coach and growing up in 234 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 6: that atmosphere and understanding coach language. This way, the most 235 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 6: frustrating thing coach mash you'll get this is, you know, 236 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 6: coaches have a different language than personnel people, to analytic people, 237 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 6: to owners and too. If you can be say multi 238 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 6: lingually in that concept. I had a GM. I sat 239 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 6: down on a meeting and usual it to the owner of 240 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 6: the GM, the head coach, and we're walking out after 241 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 6: the meeting. He goes It amazes me how you can 242 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 6: translate or switch to the dialogue to the person you're 243 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 6: talking to. So when I'm talking to, say, Coach Mac 244 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 6: about defense, and I go this linebacker when he scrapes off, 245 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 6: gets near the line of screamage, he crosses over too soon, 246 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 6: doesn't keep his outside armed, you know free. 247 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: Well, Coach Mack knows a gact what I'm saying. 248 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 6: Whereas a personnel guy, I would have to use different 249 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 6: type of language to explain why I like this linebacker, 250 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 6: don't like this linebacker, or you know, a pass rusher. 251 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 3: I go to Coach Mack. He goes Coach Mack. 252 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 6: He's got that long first step, he works half the man, 253 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 6: and when that first move gets frunted, he can counter 254 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 6: because he has hand feet coordination. Coach Mac niser getting big, 255 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 6: because you know it's like that's that's rare, and to 256 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 6: to to kind of like describe and get people on 257 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 6: the same page. And it would be the more you 258 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 6: can sit and listen to the coach and they can 259 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 6: say describe, you know, the players they want, because every 260 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 6: Super Bowl team is different. So no one Coach Mac, 261 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 6: like coach Man's not gonna be real happy if I 262 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 6: give him an outside lineberry. The kid doesn't doesn't run 263 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 6: blue or red. Yeah, and and and his corners better be. 264 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: Able to play. Man, if I'm giving Coach Mac a 265 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: bunch of slow zone corner, He's gonna look at me 266 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: and go gids. 267 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 6: Isn't no ways doing so understanding what the team's looking for. 268 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 6: And I believe in evaluation it starts with a limit. 269 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 6: You know, you eliminate first, So knowing what traits should 270 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 6: be blue, red, purple, you know, because in the perfect world, yeah, 271 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 6: everybody would be you know, blue, speed, strength, and ability. 272 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 6: But that's not the perfect world. And the great coaches 273 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 6: can tell you if he does this purple, I'm okay. 274 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: And that to an evaluator like. 275 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 6: Oh okay, they don't have to be the perfect size, 276 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 6: you know, speed, strength, and understanding. 277 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: That allows you to go find. 278 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 6: Say the middle tier players or up the bottom end 279 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 6: of your roster that can fill a need and or 280 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 6: you know, upgrade your team in other ways than your say, 281 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 6: ten core blue players. 282 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: How do you think that the evolution of scouting and 283 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: how advanced it's become with the inclusion of technology and 284 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: these big events like the NFL Scouting Combine and all 285 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: of the different data points that people are able to 286 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: collect now, how do you think that that growth has 287 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: impacted the growth of the game on the field. 288 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 3: That's a great question. 289 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 6: I think it's it's played a huge part when in 290 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 6: the old coach back will remember this one. I mean, 291 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 6: you know, I started off with a Kodak analyst as 292 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 6: a as a projector. Oh yeah, remember then we went 293 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 6: to the beta camp and then we went to you know, 294 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 6: the surface pro that you can have an computer, you 295 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 6: can plug it into a monitor, and I can remember 296 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: my first job when I started working with I would 297 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 6: just grab the tape and go get numbers because sometimes 298 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 6: it was hard to see numbers because the quality of 299 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: the of the tape wasn't good. 300 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 3: So you'd have to, you know, really be patient and 301 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: work hard. 302 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 6: What was interesting them at the end of probably I 303 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 6: guess maybe what coachback seventeen years ago, twenty years ago. 304 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 6: You know, at the final cut, they would go like, okay, 305 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 6: you know, we'd love to go pick up the linebacker. 306 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: And play special teams. 307 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 6: And then the scouts would come in and go, okay, 308 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: here are the three guys. 309 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: You'd have to sit through three season. 310 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 6: Tape, you know, going okay, let me know when he's 311 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 6: in the game. Let me know when he's in the game, 312 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 6: Whereas now in seconds they can take that player and 313 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 6: go here the eighty plays he played in preseason, let's 314 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 6: watch him. So technology I think has played a huge 315 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 6: part too. You know, a coach will sit down and 316 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 6: look at a guy for an hour, but if it's 317 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 6: going to be a four hour process, eh, maybe not. 318 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 5: So kids, that's so great that you say that. The 319 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: other thing that I think you're always able to do 320 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 5: is is is because you were in it so long 321 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 5: and people begin to trust you so much, you could 322 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 5: kind of and coaching staffs stayed together for a long time, 323 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 5: you could start to match players to staffs because you 324 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: know what people wanted. 325 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely that would you know, understanding exactly what you 326 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 6: liked on defense, you know, like yeah, I mean to 327 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 6: give say Jeff not a hard running running back. You know, 328 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 6: so exactly the personality of the team, and and it 329 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 6: would be a short period of time and exactly you 330 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: build up that trust of Okay, you know, kids and 331 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 6: pro scouts understand what we're looking for and the names 332 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 6: he recommends, I'll go look because it's the type of 333 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 6: player I want and whether you know, and it's usually 334 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: say that the backup and knowing that he's got to 335 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 6: play good special teams and and and and or be 336 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 6: you know, a guy that's not gonna make errors, you know, 337 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 6: like the third running backs got to play special teams, 338 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 6: all of them, and if he has to, he's got 339 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 6: to maybe go play a little h back, you know. 340 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 3: So I need a smart at. It's not gonna make errors. Yeah. 341 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 6: I know he's not as physically gifted as my number one, 342 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 6: but this is what I want as my number three. 343 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, Mike, getting thank you so much for taking 344 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: some time to chat with us. This has been Mac 345 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: has just been incredible. 346 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 5: Well, I told you kids would be great, because I 347 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 5: mean he is. I mean he and his dad. 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A 365 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: big thank you to Mike Borgonzi, RTT, Brian Coach Mack, 366 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: and Mike Gettings Junior for their participation in this edition 367 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: of the OTP. Thanks for listening and we'll see you 368 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: next time.