Speaker 1: Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership
Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: One evening, as mister Hart, a young gentleman of Enfield,
Speaker 2: traveled over Finchley Common Highwayman William Davis, who had been
Speaker 2: preying on carriages for about four or five hours already
Speaker 2: that night, rode up to his target, shouting quote, a
Speaker 2: plague on you, how slow you are to make a man?
Speaker 2: Wait on you, come, deliver what you have. Hart, who
Speaker 2: had been entertaining his mistress, was surprised he was being
Speaker 2: robbed and began to make excuses why he had no
Speaker 2: money with him, But William, he was having none of that.
Speaker 2: He turned out Heart's pockets himself and left with more
Speaker 2: than one hundred guineas and a gold watch. He slapped
Speaker 2: hard on the back, advised him not to lie when
Speaker 2: quote an honest gentleman desired a small boon of him,
Speaker 2: and rode off to find the next target. Welcome to Criminalia.
Speaker 1: I'm Maria Tremarky, I'm Holly Frye. William Davis led a
Speaker 1: double life. He was a successful highway robber by night
Speaker 1: and by day a respectable farmer. He kept his criminal
Speaker 1: career a secret, even from his wife and family for decades,
Speaker 1: until he was caught leaving the scene of what would
Speaker 1: be his final crime. He was born in Wrexham in
Speaker 1: North Wales in sixteen twenty seven. His family relocated while
Speaker 1: he was still young to Sodbury, Gloucestershire, and it was
Speaker 1: there where he met and married the daughter of a
Speaker 1: wealthy innkeeper. Together the couple had a large family, eighteen
Speaker 1: children total. Maybe that's why he had to turn to
Speaker 1: a life of crime.
Speaker 2: I have thought that.
Speaker 1: To feed all those damn.
Speaker 2: Kids, it's a lot of mouths.
Speaker 1: They moved to Bagshot on the Surrey Berkshire border, where
Speaker 1: William became a successful farmer. Farming was honest work, but
Speaker 1: it was also a clever way to distract others from
Speaker 1: noticing that he had another life, that secret one as
Speaker 1: a highwayman. In fact, he's considered one of the most
Speaker 1: notorious highwaymen of the seventeenth century. This wasn't something that
Speaker 1: he dabbled in to keep life spicy. It was a real,
Speaker 1: although illegal career for.
Speaker 2: Him, posthumously nicknamed the Golden Farmer. As a highwayman, William
Speaker 2: was primarily interested in you guessed it stealing gold coins.
Speaker 2: As a respectable farmer, he paid all his debts in gold.
Speaker 2: William didn't just steal gold, though he stole gold, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but he stole whatever valuables you had. He was a robber.
Speaker 2: He wasn't handing back jewels saying no thank you. But
Speaker 2: he never passed paper money, notes, bills, none of it.
Speaker 2: Over and over in the stories of his life, it's
Speaker 2: recounted that William used minted gold guineas as his preferred currency,
Speaker 2: and it was all to avoid anyone identifying as a
Speaker 2: highway robber. No one was going to recognize their specific
Speaker 2: gold coins. And while people thought he was a bit eccentric,
Speaker 2: no one refused his payments.
Speaker 1: According to the writings of editor George Daniel of Canonbury,
Speaker 1: William had been a corn chandler in Thames Street, where
Speaker 1: he sold his goods by day and robbed other farmers
Speaker 1: at night. So a corn chandler is a person who
Speaker 1: buys and sells corn and grain products, which is one
Speaker 1: hundred percent in line with what historians know about William's
Speaker 1: honest work, and some of his early highway robbery victims
Speaker 1: did include his fellow farmers on their way to and
Speaker 1: from market. I mean, who are we kidding? They were
Speaker 1: always his targets, although he was not exclusively hitting farmers.
Speaker 2: The Surrey village of Bagshot and its surrounding area was
Speaker 2: one of William's favorite haunts, and not just because it
Speaker 2: was close to home. The village prospered because of its location.
Speaker 2: It sat on the main route linking London to the
Speaker 2: West Country, on the Great West Road. Inns and taverns
Speaker 2: began to appear in the area to serve the demand
Speaker 2: of stagecoach and carriage travelers. By the seventeen hundreds, which
Speaker 2: is a little bit after William was prowling the roads,
Speaker 2: there were nearly a dozen inns along the Great West
Speaker 2: Road alone. It attracted the attention of travelers and tourists,
Speaker 2: but Bagshot also attracted the attention of thieves and highway
Speaker 2: robbers began to prey on unassuming travelers passing through that area.
Speaker 2: William was one of them and worked Bagshot and as
Speaker 2: far afield as Salisbury Plaine.
Speaker 1: William worked alone, at least at first, he became a
Speaker 1: master at getting what he wanted from his victims. He
Speaker 1: was not known to be violent, but he was certainly intimidating.
Speaker 1: One popular tale about him tells how he once robbed
Speaker 1: his own landlord of the annual rent money that they'd
Speaker 1: just collected from him. It's about eighty pounds bidding the
Speaker 1: landlord to quote, come deliver what you have in a trice.
Speaker 1: The landlord never knew that their robber was actually a
Speaker 1: person who, under different circumstances, they'd instantly recognize, and a
Speaker 1: person that they liked and respected.
Speaker 2: William did work with associates on and off, but when
Speaker 2: he wasn't going solo, he primarily rode alongside another highwayman,
Speaker 2: Thomas Simpson, known as Old Mob, who, as his stories
Speaker 2: would suggest, really liked to rob high profile targets. One
Speaker 2: version of William's story suggests he became the leader of
Speaker 2: what grew to be a pretty large gang where he
Speaker 2: met Old Mob. Whether this sizeable gang is fact or fiction,
Speaker 2: and its likely fiction, as there are no stories that
Speaker 2: exist of William robbing with multiple accomplices. The relationship between
Speaker 2: William and Thomas was a real one. Simpson had quote
Speaker 2: little education and less manners, but he was a good highwayman,
Speaker 2: and the pair plundered carriages together and apart for roughly
Speaker 2: forty years. There are highway robbery stories told of Thomas,
Speaker 2: some without William side by side. But as this is
Speaker 2: a story about William, we're going to focus on his
Speaker 2: outlaw life.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break for a word from
Speaker 1: our sponsors, and when we're back, we have several anecdotes
Speaker 1: of William Davis, the gold loving highway robber to share.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's tell stories about William Davis,
Speaker 2: highway robber.
Speaker 1: When you begin to tease a part the story of
Speaker 1: William's criminal career. One of the first anecdotes about the highwayman,
Speaker 1: the wanted farmer that you'll inevitably come across, is this
Speaker 1: career highlight. One evening, William, working solo, stormed and plundered
Speaker 1: several carriages headed towards Salisbury. He stopped every single carriage
Speaker 1: and lined them up on the side of the road.
Speaker 1: Each carriage was full to capacity, carrying groups of well
Speaker 1: healed ladies. Every traveler in the first coach gave their
Speaker 1: gold to their robber as demanded, with the exception of
Speaker 1: one woman. That one passenger insisted that she had no
Speaker 1: money and wasn't carrying anything to give him. Fearing this
Speaker 1: delay could compromise his looting of the other coaches. William
Speaker 1: instructed her to wait while he collected valuables from all
Speaker 1: those other travelers, and then promised that he would return
Speaker 1: to her carriage and ask her again what she had
Speaker 1: for him. Upon his return. The woman still insisted that
Speaker 1: she did not have anything at all for him, and
Speaker 1: this sent William into a fit of rage. According to
Speaker 1: the Newgate Calendar's retelling of the crime, the woman quote
Speaker 1: persisting in her former statement, enraged him to such a
Speaker 1: degree that, seizing her by the shoulder, he employed language
Speaker 1: which it would be hardly proper here to set down. Well.
Speaker 1: What he said was printed in another publication. Get ready. Uh.
Speaker 1: What William screamed at her was quote, you canting bitch,
Speaker 1: If you dally with me at this rate, you'll certainly
Speaker 1: provoke my spirit to be damnably rude with you. You see,
Speaker 1: these good women here were so tender hearted as to
Speaker 1: be charitable to me, and you, you, whining horror, are
Speaker 1: so covetous as to lose your life for the sake
Speaker 1: of mammon. Come, come, you hollow hearted bitch. Unpin your
Speaker 1: purse strings quickly, or else I shall send you out
Speaker 1: of the Land of the Living. I want to memorize
Speaker 1: this entire speech so I can whip it out at
Speaker 1: pertinent moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great, you did a great reading.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, feels good. In return for this quite uncharming outburst,
Speaker 1: the lady did finally give up a purse of guineas,
Speaker 1: a gold watch and a diamond ring. And it's said
Speaker 1: that the two parted quote as good friends as when
Speaker 1: they were first introduced to each other. I don't know
Speaker 1: what level of good friends that was, but apparently.
Speaker 2: Go Newgate Calendar, right. Uh?
Speaker 1: Is this an accurate account of what was said? Listen?
Speaker 1: There's no way anyone can be sure, but it's a
Speaker 1: great monologue.
Speaker 2: So on to the next one. Squire Broughton, a barrister
Speaker 2: of the Middle Temple, was another of William's victims. The
Speaker 2: two happened by chance to meet one evening at an
Speaker 2: inn along one of William's favorite hunting roads. William, having
Speaker 2: quickly chosen Broughton as his next mark, pretended to be
Speaker 2: a farmer on his way to file a complaint concerning
Speaker 2: an offense a neighboring farmer had committed when he allowed
Speaker 2: his cattle to break into William's land. He wondered, could
Speaker 2: Broughton recommend an expert in the field to help him out.
Speaker 2: Broughton offered to take William on as his own client,
Speaker 2: and William took at gunpoint several pounds, some large pieces
Speaker 2: of gold, and a gold watch from the barrister.
Speaker 1: It was at Salisbury Plain where William encountered the carriage
Speaker 1: of the Duchess of Albemarle. Before he could rob her,
Speaker 1: though he first had to get through her security, There
Speaker 1: was a quote long engagement with a postilion, a coachman,
Speaker 1: and two footmen. Some accounts suggest that several shots were
Speaker 1: actually fired. Gunfire or not, everyone did walk away with
Speaker 1: their lives, and William walked away uninjured. By all accounts
Speaker 1: of this robbery, he found the Duchess to be stubborn
Speaker 1: and defiant. She just would not part with anything. Frustrated,
Speaker 1: he unleashed. According to Charles Harper in his book Half
Speaker 1: Hours with the Highwaymen, quote a torrent of bad language.
Speaker 1: Not only was his victim obstinate and opinionated, she was
Speaker 1: also wearing face paint, and William had opinions about that.
Speaker 1: Face paint was a fashion statement at this time in
Speaker 1: England and Europe in particular among the upper classes. And
Speaker 1: this kind of artificial beautification was worn by wealthy men
Speaker 1: and women alike, and a lot of people criticized it.
Speaker 1: Some found it to be a deceptive way of masking
Speaker 1: one's physical imperfections. People still say that some compared upper
Speaker 1: class women who had painted their faces to sex workers,
Speaker 1: and conventionally it had been associated with sex workers, courtisans,
Speaker 1: and actresses. That comparison was, of course, to underscore its immorality.
Speaker 1: Samuel Peeps, the English author and politician known for his
Speaker 1: eyewitness accounts of major events during the time, recorded in
Speaker 1: his private diary that he'd attended a dinner party where
Speaker 1: the hostess's painted face made him quote loathe her. There
Speaker 1: was a growing popular discomfort with women's painted faces, and
Speaker 1: William was absolutely on team discomfort. Seeing the duchess painted face,
Speaker 1: he yelled at her, quote, you bitch incarnate, You would
Speaker 1: rather read over your face in the glass every moment
Speaker 1: and blot out pale to put in red than give
Speaker 1: an honest man as I am, a small matter to
Speaker 1: support him on his lawful occasions on the road. Some interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, relationships with the truth In that statement but
Speaker 1: there is also some debate on how this robbery ended.
Speaker 1: He may have left with three diamond rings in a
Speaker 1: gold watch, but he may also have left without anything,
Speaker 1: instead leaving the frustration of robbing the Duchess's carriage to
Speaker 1: rob another that was making its way toward him.
Speaker 2: Not long after his encounter with the Duchess, William met
Speaker 2: Sir Thomas Day, a Justice of peace living at Bristol,
Speaker 2: who was traveling on the road between Gloucester and Wister.
Speaker 2: Day did not know William or how William made his living,
Speaker 2: and the two started up a conversation as they rode
Speaker 2: along on horseback one evening. William, though knew who Day was,
Speaker 2: and he began to set up his mark. He began
Speaker 2: by telling Day a big bowld lie of how he'd
Speaker 2: recently been the target of a highwayman. But as luck
Speaker 2: would have it, that day, his horse was fast enough
Speaker 2: to outrun his robber. He would have lost about forty
Speaker 2: pounds if he'd been caught, said Day quote. Truly that
Speaker 2: would have been very hard. But nevertheless, as you would
Speaker 2: have been robbed between Sun and Sun, the county upon
Speaker 2: you suing, it would have been obliged to have made
Speaker 2: your loss good again. They continued riding and chatting until
Speaker 2: William spotted a convenient place to well go highwayman. He
Speaker 2: shot Day's horse from under him, and, pointing a pistol
Speaker 2: at his victim's chest, demanded his money and his valuables
Speaker 2: thrown to the ground. Day it said, replied, quote, I thought, sir,
Speaker 2: that you had been an honest man. William replied, quote,
Speaker 2: you see your worship's mistaken, and had you any guts
Speaker 2: in your brains, you might have perceived by my face
Speaker 2: that my countenance was the very picture of mere necessity. Therefore,
Speaker 2: deliver presently for I am in haste. William then thanked Day,
Speaker 2: who was still shocked at his bad luck, and left
Speaker 2: with his sixty pounds in gold and silver.
Speaker 1: An elderly cattle farmer at Putney Heath was another of
Speaker 1: William's victims. William, playing a polite and gentlemanly role, wrote
Speaker 1: up to the farmer, appearing helpful. He wanted to let
Speaker 1: the farmer know that he had seen some suspicious people
Speaker 1: not far behind them, and he suspected they were highwaymen.
Speaker 1: Would he William continued conceal ten guineas for him, as
Speaker 1: they would surely be safer with him. Based on how
Speaker 1: modest the farmer appeared, no one would suspect he had
Speaker 1: any coin on him. The farmer accepted, and in turn
Speaker 1: told William that he himself had fifty guineas bound in
Speaker 1: the lappet of his shirt. Anybody else just WinCE for
Speaker 1: a visual assist. A lappet is like a decorative flap
Speaker 1: on a garment, So think of something like a piece
Speaker 1: of laced that's worn around a collar in this instance,
Speaker 1: and it could potentially have things tucked into it. And
Speaker 1: after about a mile and a half of riding together,
Speaker 1: William said to the man, quote, I believe there's nobody
Speaker 1: will take the pains of robbing you or me today. Therefore,
Speaker 1: I think I had as good take the trouble of
Speaker 1: robbing you myself. So instead of delivering your purse, pray,
Speaker 1: give me the lappet of your shirt. The farmer, surprised
Speaker 1: at his companion's duplicitous behavior, began begging his robber to
Speaker 1: please just let him go, but William, in response, cut
Speaker 1: off the lappet from the man's shirt and made off
Speaker 1: with all sixty guineas.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a break for a word from
Speaker 2: our sponsors. When we return, we'll talk about William's final
Speaker 2: robbery and how he ended up on trial for murder.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about what happened when
Speaker 1: William came out of robber retirement for one last job.
Speaker 2: William robbed carriages for more than forty years, and his
Speaker 2: entry in the eighteen eighty five Dictionary of National Biography,
Speaker 2: a reference book that includes biographies of influential or otherwise
Speaker 2: significant people, notes that it was his quote charming manners
Speaker 2: that helped him remain successful for so long. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe they saw something in him that we did not.
Speaker 2: He did once retire from highway robbery work for several years,
Speaker 2: but then he came back for one more job, hoping
Speaker 2: to make a large sum of money quickly so he
Speaker 2: could purchase land adjacent to his property. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: that he had gone soft in retirement, or he'd fallen
Speaker 2: out of practice, because this time he got caught, whether
Speaker 2: he was spotted in the act or as he began
Speaker 2: to flee, he was pursued in Salisbury Court in Fleet Street.
Speaker 2: He nearly escaped, but in that escape attempt he fatally
Speaker 2: shot a butcher who was among those trying to apprehend him.
Speaker 2: William's criminal and agricultural careers came to a hard stop.
Speaker 2: He was arrested, charged and jailed at Newgate Prison. While
Speaker 2: awaiting trial.
Speaker 1: William was tried for the butcher's murder, not for his
Speaker 1: highway robbery crimes at the Old Bailey sessions between December
Speaker 1: eleventh and December seventeenth, sixteen ninety. His secret life of crime,
Speaker 1: well that was no longer a secret. Convicted, he was
Speaker 1: executed by hanging on December twenty second, at age sixty four,
Speaker 1: at the end of Salisbury Court where he had shot
Speaker 1: the butcher, and subsequently he was hung in chains on
Speaker 1: Bagshot Heath, where he had committed several of his crimes.
Speaker 1: According to Bagshot historian Ken Clark quote William Davis, the
Speaker 1: Highwayman was hanged and gibbeted in front of the premises
Speaker 1: in six ninety The Golden Farmer. It allegedly changed to
Speaker 1: the Jolly Farmer in eighteen twenty three.
Speaker 2: As we have seen a lot this season about highway robbers,
Speaker 2: fact in fiction tends to blur, and sometimes a lot.
Speaker 2: Surely some of the stories attached to William are his
Speaker 2: and surely some are not what's been questioned though, aren't
Speaker 2: the crimes he committed, but rather his execution date, of
Speaker 2: all things. Usually that record is pretty solid, but his
Speaker 2: is a few centuries old, so there are questions such
Speaker 2: as was there more than one person named William Davis,
Speaker 2: a person whose story intertwined with our William Davis. Well,
Speaker 2: that's really quite possible. Equally possible are poorly kept records.
Speaker 2: A person identified as William Davis in old printed trials
Speaker 2: at the British Museum suggests the Golden Farmer was executed
Speaker 2: in September of s sixteen eighty five, and not as
Speaker 2: a punishment for murder, rather for quote being the principal
Speaker 2: figure in a burglary and felony committed in company with
Speaker 2: when John Holland and Agnes Waring at the house of
Speaker 2: a minister one Lionel Gatford in lime. That sounds like
Speaker 2: a totally different William Davis.
Speaker 1: Then in September of sixteen eighty nine it happens again
Speaker 1: when the London Gazette published that there were Quote, in
Speaker 1: custody at Newgate two persons suspected of being housebreakers and robbers,
Speaker 1: several instruments for breaking into houses having been taken with them.
Speaker 1: One calling himself William Freeman, whose right name is William Hill,
Speaker 1: commonly called the Golden Farmer, an indifferent, tall black man,
Speaker 1: well set with black hair, has a shaking in his head,
Speaker 1: and is between fifty and sixty years of age. Again,
Speaker 1: that does not sound like our William Davis.
Speaker 2: William's adventures, good or bad, fact or fiction appear we
Speaker 2: heard not only in the popular publications, the Newgate Calendar
Speaker 2: and the Dictionary of National Biographies, but also in broadsides,
Speaker 2: chap books. And there's even a play all telling his story,
Speaker 2: or you know, at least some version of his story.
Speaker 2: So to really settle it all out, let's meet it,
Speaker 2: the jolly Farmer. Have a drink? What do you have
Speaker 2: in your hip flask? My dear?
Speaker 1: I love so many things about his story. It's so evocative.
Speaker 1: I actually do quite like him. I think he's interesting.
Speaker 1: I love his double life. I love that he was
Speaker 1: a legitimate farmer.
Speaker 2: I love that we had stories to tell about him
Speaker 2: rather than just focusing on his trial, because there were
Speaker 2: records for that. Like, I really enjoyed going on his
Speaker 2: terrible adventures with him. I guess you could say.
Speaker 1: I like getting to say his foul language. I like
Speaker 1: all of it. So I wanted to make a drink
Speaker 1: called the Golden Farmer, that is golden color, that includes
Speaker 1: items that refer to his life in agriculture, and also
Speaker 1: because he often sidled up to people, made friends with them,
Speaker 1: and then turned on them, a drink that looks like
Speaker 1: one thing and tastes very much like another. So oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So what you're going to put into your shaking tin
Speaker 1: is two ounces of apple juice, three quarters of an
Speaker 1: ounce of diluted corn syrup. So that is corn syrup
Speaker 1: that you would buy from the grocery store like you
Speaker 1: were gonna make some confection or baked thing, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna combine it with water one to one and get
Speaker 1: it diluted down so it's not so thick and it
Speaker 1: flows more easily in your drink. Two ounces of apple juice,
Speaker 1: three quarters of an ounce of diluted corn syrup, three
Speaker 1: quarters of an ounce of lemon juice, three quarters of
Speaker 1: an ounce of egg white, or a single egg white
Speaker 1: if you're actually separating it from the yolk from a
Speaker 1: real egg rather than a pour out, and then an
Speaker 1: ounce and a half of gin, and then to all
Speaker 1: of this you are going to add the surprise ingredient,
Speaker 1: which is just a pinch of yellow curry powder.
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: Actually, I really like how this one turns out. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna dry shake this, meaning without ice. You'll give
Speaker 1: it a good shake that helps that egg get nice
Speaker 1: and frothy and aerated. Then you will add ice and
Speaker 1: give it another shake, and then you're gonna double strain it,
Speaker 1: meaning you pour it out using your hawthorn strainer, threw
Speaker 1: a mesh strainer into a pre chilled glass, and on
Speaker 1: top of that beautiful foamy top that you get from
Speaker 1: the egg white, you're gonna sprinkle just a scant amount
Speaker 1: of your yellow curry, just a little because then on presentation,
Speaker 1: this drink looks like some yummy autumnal nutmeg situation. And
Speaker 1: then instead when you sip it, you get not that.
Speaker 1: You get like this bright, very light, not very sweet
Speaker 1: at all, drink that has a little heat at the
Speaker 1: base of it, which is kind of fun. Like yellow
Speaker 1: curry isn't usually as hot as other curries, and it'll
Speaker 1: depend on what kind you have on hand or you purchase,
Speaker 1: but it's fair mild compared to others, but it does
Speaker 1: have a warmth to it, and so it just shifts
Speaker 1: the gears on this in a way that is really fun,
Speaker 1: and it turns out to be such an absolutely fun drink.
Speaker 1: Telling you, if you think it sounds crazy, maybe give
Speaker 1: it a try, because I'm it's quite yummy.
Speaker 2: I think that there were a lot of people who
Speaker 2: thought that turmeric showing up in drinks was a little
Speaker 2: bit crazy at first, and then we all went crazy
Speaker 2: for them. So maybe maybe curry is a way to
Speaker 2: go here everywhere.
Speaker 1: I did think about using turmeric here, and the thing is,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about before, turmeric very effective, especially in
Speaker 1: color change. But it's tricky and it is really hard
Speaker 1: to actually incorporate, like literally physically it gets it stays
Speaker 1: kind of grainy, it doesn't break down as well as
Speaker 1: other things, and so you can kind of get a
Speaker 1: little bit of turmeric sludge at the bottom of your glass. Yes,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's worth it, but let me tell you, I
Speaker 1: didn't have any sludge from the curry. Beautifully sludge, no
Speaker 1: sleddge mix right in with that gin happy as a
Speaker 1: little clamp. So for the mocktail version of this, you're
Speaker 1: gonna make the exact same thing. You're just gonna use
Speaker 1: cama meal tea instead of gin. That will also add
Speaker 1: another layer of slightly yellowish tone to it. So yummy,
Speaker 1: So yeah, surprisingly yummy, almost dangerously yummy, because you really
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're drinking a cocktail.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing, right, Yeah, those that come up
Speaker 2: you're like, these are excellent, and then you wonder how
Speaker 2: you feel the next morning, like why is this happening?
Speaker 1: And it tastes very healthy. You get the apple note,
Speaker 1: you get the lemon note, you get that warmth from
Speaker 1: the curry, but you're not like, oh, gin drink right,
Speaker 1: and then well.
Speaker 2: There's a lot. Yeah, I can actually see there's a
Speaker 2: lot in here that would it wouldn't make it a
Speaker 2: gin forward necessarily beverage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not at all, not at all. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: making more of that one, for sure. I hope if
Speaker 1: you try it that you like it, because it really
Speaker 1: is pretty fun. It is a little more I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, we always joke that I have a very
Speaker 1: you know, childish palette in terms of wanting lots of
Speaker 1: very sweet things that taste like baked goods. But this
Speaker 1: is not that at all, So if you're a person
Speaker 1: that likes something that is it's. The thing that's nice too,
Speaker 1: is that it's also not too tart, like you'd get
Speaker 1: the lemon flavor, but there's enough apple juice that it's
Speaker 1: not a pucker face kind of drink. It just tastes
Speaker 1: like a very light sort of like fruit and vegetable affair,
Speaker 1: although there's no real vegetable in it, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, corn I guess would count on the
Speaker 1: I don't know how much real corn is in corn syrup,
Speaker 1: so let's not get ahead of ourselves, but.
Speaker 2: Some corn in there somewhere, some part of the corn
Speaker 2: has got to be in there somewhere, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's a very it's a very easy sip that's not
Speaker 1: heavy at all, which I really liked about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even though you were saying it looks a tumnel,
Speaker 2: an easy, nice sip as we get into summer weather,
Speaker 2: it's definitely appealing.
Speaker 1: Listen, I want eggs everything. I want eggs, themIn all
Speaker 1: my drinks you have.
Speaker 2: You have turned me around to the egg white because
Speaker 2: I used to just kind of I wasn't so sure,
Speaker 2: but now I have to bring it on. I think
Speaker 2: it makes it a lovely beverage.
Speaker 1: That's how it works. The first time I had egg
Speaker 1: white and a drink, I was like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I like that. And one of my friends was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to order this drink and you try it
Speaker 1: and we can split it in that way. If you
Speaker 1: don't like it, it's not on you. And that man
Speaker 1: was so kind because I guzzled that whole drink without
Speaker 1: You're like, you want some of that? Yeah? I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I have to buy the next round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not because I think if
Speaker 2: you haven't had it or you're uncomfortable with it, you
Speaker 2: there's no egginess about it, which was what I was like.
Speaker 2: I was gonna smell like egg whites? Is it going
Speaker 2: to have any sort of flavor about it? And I
Speaker 2: don't pick up any of that, which makes it very
Speaker 2: easy for me to drink.
Speaker 1: Them now, right. I think if you've never had a
Speaker 1: drink with an egg white incorporated, the presumption is it
Speaker 1: the mouth feel is going to be like slimy somehow
Speaker 1: like egg whites. Yeah right, And that's not what happens
Speaker 1: at all, because it gets fluffy and delicious. Think more
Speaker 1: of meringue and less of a raw egg.
Speaker 2: Don't don't fear it. I did, and now I don't like.
Speaker 1: Don't hear the egite. Yeah, So, if you tried this,
Speaker 1: I hope you love it. Odds are good. I'll be
Speaker 1: drinking one at the same time as you, because I'm
Speaker 1: going to be making them a lot. If you do
Speaker 1: try it, Like I said, you can always give us
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Speaker 1: let us know how you liked it. We are so
Speaker 1: grateful that you spent this time with us today. We
Speaker 1: will be back here again next week. We got more
Speaker 1: highway robbery to talk about and more drinks to go
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