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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry

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Speaker 1: over there. And this is the Stuff you should Know

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Speaker 1: about people who have really bad luck? Nine of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't. I don't think we've ever done a full

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Speaker 1: top ten list? Have we? That that that should be

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Speaker 1: our last episode. Yeah, it's like stuff you should know,

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Speaker 1: its ten biggest regrets. Right, that's a great idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that'll be the last one. All right, let's write that down.

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Speaker 1: There's no we don't have ten regrets. Yeah. I guess

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Speaker 1: we couldn't do a full time Actually, we could probably

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Speaker 1: come up with ten. No, we couldn't. Vid con number one.

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Speaker 1: That's a big one. This intro is definitely up there

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Speaker 1: to number two. We're on our way, all right, Um,

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Speaker 1: how are you feeling pretty good? I'm great? You feel lucky? Punk,

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Speaker 1: I'm a pretty lucky person. I will say that I

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Speaker 1: would agree with that good fortune. My friends have called

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Speaker 1: me the rabbit's foot over the years. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: they're I was rubbing you. But that's that's mainly for

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Speaker 1: narrowly escaping trouble more than anything. How about a story

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Speaker 1: chuck lay it on us? Oh just I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was very famous among my group of friends for

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Speaker 1: getting pulled over by police and not getting tickets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at one point it was it had literally happened like

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Speaker 1: fourteen times in a row or something over a span

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Speaker 1: of like ten or twelve years. It happened a lot

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Speaker 1: that I never and I didn't get my first ticket

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Speaker 1: until geez, probably my thirties, mid thirties. How did you

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Speaker 1: have what happened? Did you talk your way out of it?

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, you know what you do? Man? And my

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Speaker 1: brother always gets a ticket and he's much nicer than

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Speaker 1: I am. But you just got to be as humble, humble, humble, humble,

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Speaker 1: humble as you can be, and if you show the

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Speaker 1: slightest bit of attitude, then that police officer, in my experience,

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Speaker 1: will delight in writing you that ticket. I mean, even

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Speaker 1: it's if it's a sideways look and I basically just

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Speaker 1: throw myselves at the mercy of the court on the

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Speaker 1: side of the road. I'm like, I'm so sorry, officer,

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Speaker 1: I you were you should have pulled me over. You

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Speaker 1: did the right thing. I was wrong, and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: There's no excuse here's I was gonna eat these French fries.

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Speaker 1: But you should take them. You're the hero here. Think

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Speaker 1: they're always a little disarmed and they're like, oh, oh okay,

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Speaker 1: well I guess I can let you off of the warning.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's been my experience. All right, there's

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Speaker 1: chuck advice right there. So you get out of fourteen tickets?

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Speaker 1: So did you forget to the last fifteen time? Did

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Speaker 1: you forget? Did you sneer call them a pig? What? No?

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Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those things where

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Speaker 1: like they were writing the ticket even before I had

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Speaker 1: a chance to do my little song and dance, and

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Speaker 1: they brought me the ticket and I was kind of like, well,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't you know who who I am?

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Speaker 1: I'm the guy that gets out of tickets. Oh? I

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Speaker 1: thought you were gonna say, I'm Chuck from stuff. You

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Speaker 1: should know that means nothing. That's how you that's how

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Speaker 1: you get out of them these days, buddy. Well, um,

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Speaker 1: we're talking today about some people who have very bad luck.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like a lot of these lists usually

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Speaker 1: are just like uh no to this one. No to

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Speaker 1: that one. No, this is wrong. Um. I think we

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Speaker 1: tried to do a list once where like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember which one it was, but like every

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Speaker 1: single entry was just like just false. Right. That's only

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty that's not a bad batting average, realistical. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and some of these are. The word luck kind of

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Speaker 1: ahead and get to the first one, Ron Wayne, who

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Speaker 1: was one of the original three partners of Apple Computers.

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Speaker 1: That's not bad luck. Ron Wayne made a board business decision.

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Speaker 1: Have you. Uh, that's a good point. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of Ron Wayne before? Know you? No? I haven't,

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Speaker 1: And had I heard his name, I would have been like,

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Speaker 1: party job at the time, I believe so. But I

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Speaker 1: had no idea how Tari produced Apple though, did you.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did a bunch of Atari research stuff

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Speaker 1: for my tech stuff guest but oh, okay, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did a history of Atari two parter. Oh, speaking

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Speaker 1: of guest spots man, let me just also give a

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Speaker 1: shot out real quick. Sorry to interrupt this little entry,

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Speaker 1: but I was on um our good friend John go

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Speaker 1: we talked about the family Paradox for like an hour

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Speaker 1: fifty one. Go check out that out. Okay, so plug

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Speaker 1: out right. So we're in ninety six uhs and Jobs

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Speaker 1: have recruited one one Wayne, Ron Wayne to be the

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Speaker 1: it was actually Ron Wayne who uh who drafted the

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Speaker 1: very first Apple contract and said, you know, this is

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Speaker 1: ten percent two jobs and wasasniakst And he even created

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Speaker 1: the first Apple logo, which was not the logo we

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Speaker 1: Apple tree. Not that sounds terrible. Yeah, I disagree. I

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Speaker 1: think it sounds ugly. So um Ron Wayne the while

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Speaker 1: are doing, but this company in a garage. Steve Jobs

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Speaker 1: was nineteen seventies six, And in nineteen eighty Apple went

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Speaker 1: he he takes issue with that. He said, he probably

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Speaker 1: lost out on tens of millions. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess it depends on what like you can't since you

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Speaker 1: it off in the early nineties four how much five

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Speaker 1: Poor Ron Wayne. Now that one's bad luck. I wonder

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Speaker 1: what he did though with his life. He wrote essays

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Speaker 1: to have been hit by a meteor Right, I'm laughing

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Speaker 1: uh ricochet, Yeah, a ricochet. I mean, how much worse

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Speaker 1: would things have been? Yeah? Probably dead. There's a I

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Speaker 1: that house too. And you know when they asked her

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00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve, like why do you keep

426
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: building here? You know, it's like everyone else, She's like,

427
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: it's this is my home. It's like I want to

428
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: live where I was born and raised and this is

429
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: my home. Yeah. Can you imagine what that phone calls like,

430
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I'm a producer with Hideous Houses, and

431
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: your house has been selected to be on Hideous Houses.

432
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: She probably applied and how it works. No, I think

433
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 1: they just go scout your house and it's really like, no,

434
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure you apply that. I think it carries from

435
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: show to show. So for that last time, with Hurricane

436
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: Isaac in two twelve, she and her husband and their

437
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: pets and um, Melanie Martinez is elderly mom barely escaped

438
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: with their life. They had to hammer through their roof.

439
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: They were trapped in the attic with the floodwaters rising.

440
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: They had to hammer a hole into the roof and

441
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: climb out where they were rescued. Yeah. Man, I mean,

442
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: she's at least they got out. They did. But even so,

443
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: the thing that makes it really bad luck real quick, chuck,

444
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: is that Melanie Martinez said she would never have stayed

445
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: around for that hurricane. She because of her elderly mother.

446
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: She she she wouldn't have risked her her health. Um, they

447
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: got stuck there because her van broke down. Well, but

448
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: she got out, okay there, you know, I mean she

449
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: couldn't save the house. So it's true. It's very sad,

450
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: all right. So this next one is this is pretty

451
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: remarkable whenever I hear about people that are and I've

452
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: heard stories like this over the years where people were

453
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: had the bad luck to be in UH various places

454
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: where like terrorist attacks have happened more than once. UH.

455
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: And this couple, this British couple, Jason Cairn's Lawrence and

456
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: his partner Jenny, they had this happened three times. UH.

457
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: They were in New York City on nine eleven on

458
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: a just a regular holiday there, so that's number one. UM.

459
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: A few years after that, they went vacationing in UH

460
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: in their very own London in July two thousand five,

461
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: and just a day into that trip was when the

462
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: suicide bombers attacked the London Underground, which was horrific. They

463
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: don't think they're in the underground at the time, but

464
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: I imagine at this point they're like, all right, what's

465
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: going on here. A few years after that, in two

466
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, they're like, all right, we're gonna get

467
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: out of town again and this time we're going to Mumbai,

468
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: India and another terrorist attack when the Luxury hotel was

469
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: was attacked in the railway station and a hundred and

470
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: seventy four people died there. They were all three of those,

471
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: all three the three biggest terrorist attacks I guess in

472
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: the West, in the in the twenty one century. They

473
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: were there for yeah, the deadliest ones at least, and

474
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: they thankfully survived all three of those. But I imagine

475
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: after those three trips they're probably not going on vacation

476
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: very much anymore. They built a pool in their backyard

477
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is what we're doing from now on. Man,

478
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I really can't either tell you the truth.

479
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: Should we take a break. Let's take a break, and

480
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and talk about some more hard

481
00:27:32,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: luck cases after this. Okay, okay, Chuck, So this one,

482
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I can't quite put my finger on whether this is

483
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: whether Alexander Graham Bell is a no good thief or not.

484
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I think I saw some more

485
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: recent stuff and I think that his image has been

486
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: a little more reformed. Well we'll get to that. But

487
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: if you're in Italy and you're a little kid and

488
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: you are taught who invented the telephone, they do not

489
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: teach you that it was Alexander Graham Bell. As a

490
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: matter of fact, they may spit when they say they

491
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: name Alexander Graham Bell because they very much believed that

492
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Alexander Graham Bell stole the idea for the telephone from

493
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Antonio Maucci, who was an Italian inventor who seemed to

494
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: have invented something very telephone like, um, at least a

495
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: few years before Alexander Graham Bell supposedly invented his. Yeah,

496
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: he actually filed a patent preliminary patent that is in

497
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: the US, five years before Bell, for what he called

498
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: the tele trophone though, which is a much better name

499
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: than telephone. Do you think so? I would love it

500
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: if people were like, can I borrow your teletrophone? Oh,

501
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: let me see your troll bro let's see there? Right?

502
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I love that so um Antonio Miucci, Uh, he definitely

503
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: realized that you could send sound over electrically activated copper

504
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: wires back in like the eighteen thirties. He knew this

505
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: um and he started kind of messing around with it

506
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: in one at one time he created basically a telephone

507
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: between his workshop and his his wife's bedroom because his

508
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: wife had been stricken with some sort of paralysis and

509
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: to be able to communicate with her without having to

510
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: go in and check out her all the time, he

511
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: basically rigged up a telephone. This was in the I

512
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: think the eighteen eighteen sixties, Um in New York, right,

513
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Um and even debuted this invention to the press. But

514
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: he didn't speak English, and the English speaking press in

515
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: New York didn't speak Italian, so it was really just

516
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: covered by the Italian press. But this guy in in

517
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty gave a demonstration of his telephone and Um again.

518
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't until eighteen seventy six at Alexander Graham Bell

519
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: got his patent, and like you said, Meyuchi, he filed

520
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: the preliminary patent and I looked into this. You know

521
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: what those are. So the preliminary patent is basically this.

522
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: You pay a much lower fee to basically put a

523
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: hold on your invention. You say, this thing is coming.

524
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: If anybody else starts sniffing around with their own invention,

525
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: you let me know, and then the patent office will

526
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: give you will give you three months to file a

527
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: formal patent, which is again more expensive. So the the

528
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: idea is that Meyuchi didn't have enough money to file

529
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: a full patent, so he placed a preliminary patent and

530
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: didn't have enough money to renew it. You have to

531
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: renew it annually. And Alexander Graham Bell swooped in. Yeah,

532
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: and here's the thing I thought, Well, I mean, there

533
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: have been plenty of inventions where people working in a

534
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: vacuum came up with a similar idea with similar technology.

535
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: But Miyuchi actually shared a space with Bell. And that's

536
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: when I was like, uh, okay, it's not a good

537
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: look for Bell for sure. Yeah, And then I did

538
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: a little more research. I was like, did Alexander Graham

539
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: Bell steal the telephone? And this was this is not news?

540
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: And I saw an article that was like, yes, he

541
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: stole it from Elisha Gray and I was like, who, Well,

542
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: he's the one who supposedly went to the patent office

543
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: the same day, within hours of Bell, to file a

544
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: patent on the phone and lost out. Yea, So there

545
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: are several people that claimed that Bell it was not

546
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: his original idea. Well. Mayucci actually sued Bella and the

547
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: case made it all the way to the Supreme Court,

548
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: but then Mayuchi died before it was resolved and they

549
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: threw the case out. Very sad, but the House of

550
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: Representatives in two thousand two voted on a resolution to

551
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: say yes, Antonio Meuci is the inventor of the telephone

552
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: as far as we in the US are concerned. Um,

553
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: what I saw, what I referred to earlier, that that

554
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering if his image had been reformed. He

555
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: has his extensive notes about his invention that he would

556
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: have had to have falsified and that apparently have been

557
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: scrutinized by historians. So if he was a fraud, he

558
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: was a really methodical frauds. Well, that's one of the

559
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: complaints with Elisha Gray is that the uh, the sketches

560
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: were like virtually identical to Graze. Yeah, so you know, wow,

561
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: well we I think we need to do at least

562
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: the short stuff in Alexander Graham Bell. Yeah, I think

563
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: that could be a full EPI okay EPI, yes, full

564
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: EpiPen right in your thigh, all right, like the time

565
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: you got stung by that be you remember that was harrowing?

566
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: All right? So this one's uh, this one is actually

567
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: kind of fun, um because I like it when the

568
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: bad luck isn't like super like devastating to someone's life

569
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: and that they kind of roll with it, you know

570
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, Costas Mitzo Takas definitely rolls with it. Yeah,

571
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: not nothing bad happened here. Uh. There's a an annual

572
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: lottery in Spain that dates back to eighteen twelve called

573
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: El Gordo. It's a Christmas lottery and it's a big,

574
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: big They call it El Gordos the Fat one because

575
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: it's a big, big, fat payout and it's a very,

576
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: very much a tradition in Spain. And in two thousand eleven,

577
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: the jackpot was at the time the biggest ever, close

578
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: to a billion dollars nine fifty million bucks. And there's

579
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: this little town called a Sodetto and people in this town.

580
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Is that Italian? Huh? No, I didn't say Soday it

581
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: though it was close. No, that's just a little flair.

582
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: So in Sodetto, residents there would pull money together sometimes

583
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: by their lottery tickets because it costs twenty six bucks apiece.

584
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: It's not like going down and buying like the I

585
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: don't even know how much blotto costs in America. Is

586
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: in like a dollar? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh. We did

587
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: a lot of episode back in the day, didn't we.

588
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: I think we talked about El Gordo in the lot

589
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: of episode because I think I recognized the name. Yeah, yeah,

590
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: El Gordo. Um. So the tickets were twenty six bucks

591
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: at least in two thousand eleven. And this town pulls

592
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: their money together. Seventy different families all chipped in because

593
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: times were tough and they didn't spring for their own ticket,

594
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: and they won. They did win. Um, this town of

595
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: like simple farmers whose backs were kind of up against

596
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: the wall from the economic downturn you referenced. Apparently they

597
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: were also experiencing a prolonged drought. To everybody's a little

598
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: tents overnight, had all of their money troubles just go away? Um,

599
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: every single household in the town one minimum of a

600
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty U s. Dollars a hundred thirty thousand,

601
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, up to millions, right, like if they bought

602
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: like full full chunks of the tickets um from this lotto.

603
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: And so all these people like rode their tractors into

604
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: town on Christmas Day to celebrate that they had all

605
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: just won the lottery, all except one guy, Costas Mitsotakas,

606
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: whose house was not visited by the people selling the

607
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: lottery tickets for the town fundraiser and who didn't buy

608
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: a ticket as a result. Right, he lived a little

609
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: bit on the outskirts of town um with a woman,

610
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: his romantic partner at the time, and she actually bought

611
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: in and one a hundred thousand American dollars. No, I

612
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: guess it was a hundred thousand euros Okay, so yeah,

613
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: it was about a hundred and thirty thousand American dollars. Yeah,

614
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: So she won and he did not. They're not together now.

615
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if that had anything to do with it.

616
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it does. I think they had already

617
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: split up, okay, but at any rate, he didn't win

618
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: any money. But he's a filmmaker, and he was like,

619
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: his quote was, it was really a gift from heaven,

620
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: as if someone had given me the perfect script. So

621
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: he decided to make a documentary about this town and

622
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: about this loto in and about these villagers who apparently

623
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: did not change their way as much. They all still

624
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: lived very simply, and they all still shared, how you know,

625
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: like lots of family in the single house, and it

626
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: was really kind of heartwarming. And I read an article

627
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: from just like a year and a half ago where

628
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: he was supposedly finishing it up, but then I never

629
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: saw anything about the actual documentary, so I don't know

630
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: if it was ever released or finished. Fully. I also

631
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: read that he made out okay. He'd been trying to

632
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: sell his property there for a while, but because of

633
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: the economic downturn, he couldn't get rid of it. And

634
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: right after somebody bought it from him. Well that's good,

635
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: hopefully at full l asking price, you know. Yeah, And

636
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: he seems like a guy. He was kind of like,

637
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't buy a ticket. Yeah, what are

638
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Make a film about it? I guess

639
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: as happens. That's right. So hat tip to uh Costas

640
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Mitsotakas too. That's right. Um, so chuck, we're moving along.

641
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: We're going from Spain to right here in Atlanta. Yeah.

642
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember the Olympics. I do, because I was

643
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: on a road trip out west, my friend and I.

644
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: That's when we took our like two and a half

645
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: month trip and then Volkswagen van and we're like, we're

646
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: getting out of Atlanta for the Olympics. You did not

647
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: miss much. Yeah, I remember everybody in Atlanta who owned

648
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: a business sunk tons of cash into their business to

649
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: revamp it for Olympic fever, and no one left downtown, nobody.

650
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: They just stayed downtown. But one of the other things

651
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: about the Olympics, aside from like one of the most

652
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: mediocre maybe actually just outright bad opening ceremonies, pretty bad.

653
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: Just remember being on the road and and a cheap

654
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: hotel room in New Mexico and seeing uh, stainless steel

655
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: pickup trucks and I was just like, oh my god,

656
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: what's going on. That's so Atlanta, that's hot landa right there. Um.

657
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: In addition to that, the Olympics is also remembered as

658
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: the Centennial Olympics, is a hundred years after the first

659
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: modern Olympic Games. But really more than anything, it's remember

660
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: for the Olympic Park bombing, which is a huge deal.

661
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: And this is I mean it was memorable because it

662
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: was a big deal like that, this was an act

663
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: of domestic terrorism here in the United States and it

664
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: was at the Olympics, and it actually could have been

665
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: way worse than it was. One one poor woman from

666
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 1: I believe Albany or Leesburg, Georgia died. Um I think

667
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: a cameraman from Turkey died from a heart attack running

668
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: to the scene. But like a hundred people were injured.

669
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: But right before that bomb went off, it was a

670
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: forty pound pipe bomb filled with um screws and nails

671
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: and all sorts of projectiles. Um. There are a lot

672
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: of people standing around it watching a concert by Jack

673
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: MC and the heart attack at like one am in

674
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: Olympic Park. Um. And had they not been moved by

675
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: a security guard named Richard Jewell, surely more people would

676
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: have died. Yeah. So Jewel sees this backpack again. This

677
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: is now a backpack on the ground. Like everyone would

678
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's that thing doing there?

679
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: See something? Say something, see something, say something? Yeah, ninety six.

680
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: It was just a year after the Oklahoma City bombing.

681
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't like this was on everyone's mind at the time.

682
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: And uh, Jewel said, hey, I think we should get

683
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: out of here. There's a backpack on the ground. Something

684
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: smells fishy um. And I don't think he meant there

685
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: was literal fish in the backpack. Sorry. That was terrible.

686
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: And he got people out of there and alerted authorities

687
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: and they started clearing the area pretty heavily and very quickly.

688
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: Richard Jewels on the news as a local hero, national hero. Yeah,

689
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: national hero, and uh, everything was going great until all

690
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the next day he was looked at as a person

691
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: of interest. Like the next day, apparently the a j

692
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: C got a scoop from the Atlanta p D that

693
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: the FEDS and everybody were starting to wonder if Richard

694
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: Jewel wasn't the type of guy who would plan a

695
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: bomb in order to put himself in a position of

696
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: being a hero. Yeah, they were like, he fits the profile.

697
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: I remember all that stuff going down. Yeah, And it's

698
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: crazy how you can see somebody differently when people like

699
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: paining him a certain way, you know, and like, like

700
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: he just looked like he had that mustache. What's he

701
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,479
Speaker 1: hiding with that mustache? Or his eyes are a little beady,

702
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: aren't they? And he had been charged with um impersonating officers,

703
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: so he's clearly like I want to be cop kind

704
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: of thing, and um he looked really bad. And then

705
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: finally in October, the FBI was like, Richard Jewel, now

706
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: now we cleared him. He's not a he's not a

707
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: person of interest. It was surely somebody else. But by

708
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: this time, Richard Jewell's name had been drugged through the

709
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: mud associated with a major act of terrorism at the

710
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: Olympics in the United States. UM for months before he

711
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: was cleared, and it was the damage was was very

712
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: much done. Yeah, of course everyone knows the real bomber

713
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: was Eric Rudolph uh And again, you know, those four

714
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: months were really rough on Jewel and his family. And

715
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: even after he was cleared in October, it's like like

716
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: everyone knew he was cleared, but it's still one of

717
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: those things where like it's attached to his name, you know. Oh, yeah,

718
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: he entered. He went from the suspect phase to the

719
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: late night talk show monologue joke phase. Yeah, that's not

720
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: a good transition. It isn't very Sadly he died in

721
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and just the young age of forty four

722
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: from complications of diabetes. Yep, so he had it rough.

723
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: He got like a settlement from CNN in New York

724
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: Times for I guess over zealous and unfounded reporting maybe,

725
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: but um it was it was. He did not have

726
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: like a great last part of his life, all right,

727
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: the last one folks breaking news. Josh emails me about

728
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: thirty minutes where we record or so and said, by

729
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: the way, the number one guy on the list is

730
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: a fraud. I said he maybe a fraud. I thought

731
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: you said he was a fraud. I'm trying to see

732
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: you away here. Okay, Sorry, it's not proven that he's

733
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: a fraud, because well, well let's just get into all this. Okay, Yeah,

734
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: what's his name? Selac, front A Selac, everywhere else I

735
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: saw at F A, R and E. I don't know

736
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: what to believe anymore. I know, we've just lost touch

737
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: with reality. Charles So he has been dubbed the luckiest

738
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: man in the world for supposedly surviving seven brushes with death,

739
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: ranging from a train going into an icy river, two

740
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: cars going off of cliffs again into icy rivers. Uh,

741
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: cars catching on fire, cars plunging off of cliffs, like

742
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: so much stuff that you're like, can this be true?

743
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Especially the plane crash that went down where he supposedly

744
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: was sucked out of a door and landed on a haystack. Yeah,

745
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: before the plane crashed. Is this real? So here's the thing.

746
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: All of the starts in um I believe two thousand five.

747
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: He buys a lottery ticket, wins like a million dollar

748
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: or a million euro lottery and that happened. That definitely happened.

749
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: And he was interviewed by the Scotsman the newspaper the

750
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: Scotsman and in this article he's like, Oh, you think

751
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: it's lucky that I won a million dollars, let me

752
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: tell you about some of the unlucky things that have

753
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: happened to me. And he starts reeling off these stories

754
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: of like just narrowly escaping death, and the Scotsman's like, wow,

755
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. We're gonna print this, And the Scotsman printed it,

756
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden and started getting picked up

757
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: by other news outlets, another news outlets, another news outlets,

758
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: and then finally and one of these articles there was

759
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: a commenter um who identified himself as Friday Selec's son,

760
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: who said, hey, um, not one single journalist has ever

761
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: independently verified a single one of these stories. This guy

762
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: is actually my father and he has always wanted to

763
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: be famous, so when he was interviewed for winning the lottery,

764
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: he saw his chance and he made all of this up. Well,

765
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: if it was an internet comment or, it must be

766
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: true exactly. That's why I was c o A because

767
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: it's like, is that the only place you found that? Yes,

768
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: but the point remains correct. It has never been and

769
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: none of it has ever been independently verified so it's

770
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: not entirely it's it's entirely possible that there he wasn't

771
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: on um any plane or in in a bus accident,

772
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: or that his car crash. It's not verified that he

773
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: has been. It hasn't been clearly shown that he hasn't been.

774
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: It's just this guy makes a really good point that

775
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: this dude who everybody says is the luckiest man in

776
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: the world, it's possibly made it all up. How can

777
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: we not get to the bottom of this? M What

778
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: do you mean? Well, I mean we found out the

779
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: world is flat and that they fake the moon landing

780
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: through research. Why can't we find out what happened with

781
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: Frande Selak like you and me specifically or immediate? Surely

782
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: this you could find this out right? Yeah, I guess

783
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: you could. I think no one's going to the trouble

784
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: of doing it. It's a good story that everybody likes.

785
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: It's not really hurting anything for him to be lying

786
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: and for the lie to be perpetuated. Um, it's more

787
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,959
Speaker 1: just this is kind of laziness among journalism, I guess,

788
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: including us, because I didn't go get to the bottom

789
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: of it. I didn't go independently verify any of his claims. Well,

790
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: I did see an article that uh. Is that where

791
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: you saw it at all? That's interesting dot com? No,

792
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: I didn't see it on there, don't worry. I don't

793
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: remember where I saw the article of the look go ahead. Well,

794
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: there was an article that talked about the fact that

795
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: UM that mentioned the comment or whatever and the doubts. Yeah,

796
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: I think that's become kind of thing because there was

797
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: a viral um, a viral uh video that UM that

798
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: made the rounds that was really really interesting, UM because

799
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: it's just this cute little animation of this guy's story

800
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: in his life. And UM, I guess I saw the

801
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: thing about him being being a possible hoax on BBC.

802
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: So if you put BBC together and all that's interesting,

803
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: you have legitimate fact. Right. And I apologize for looking

804
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: at my phone right now, but I'm doing a real

805
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: time investigation. And apparently some people have googled and these

806
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: plane crashes and things aren't documented, so it sounds like

807
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: it might be it might be false names. I don't know, Okay,

808
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: but even still, it's a great story. I mean, just

809
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: the fact that this guy made up all of this

810
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: load of bs during an interview it's pretty la. It's

811
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: one of the great improv comedians of all time. Right,

812
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: it's a good way to end things too, don't you think. Well,

813
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, everybody. Thanks for putting on your

814
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: smoking jacket and your house slippers, um, putting on a

815
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: nice um Berry white record, and uh, relaxing with us.

816
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I hope you feel relaxed. Now, do you feel relaxed?

817
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: Chuckers and Jerry does obviously, Jesus I know. Um. Well,

818
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the unluckiest people

819
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: in the world, just go look at stuff on the internet,

820
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: may or may not be true. Who really cares? Right? Uh?

821
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: And since I said that it's time for a listener mail,

822
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to call this one a sort of an

823
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: older one that I forgot about. So apologies to Jessica

824
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: Breslyn because I told her I would read this a

825
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: month ago. Hey, guys, love the recent episode on rape

826
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: Kits that wanted to make a tiny correction about how

827
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: the Golden State Killer was called. Although there was a

828
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: time that the Golden State Killers DNA was part of

829
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: the backlog, the DNA had actually been identified and linked

830
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: to his crimes since the nineties. The problem was they

831
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: had no person to compare it to. This change in

832
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen when they compared it to DNA submitted

833
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: to a familial DNA base. When a relative submitted their

834
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: DNA to the familiar DNA site, they were able to

835
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: see that the DNA was related and from there were

836
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 1: able to narrow down their suspects to two likely family members.

837
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: After narrowing it down to those two, they're able to

838
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: identify their suspect collect a sample of his DNA to

839
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: compare it to the Golden State killers. However, still good

840
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: proof on my testing backlog. KITS is still so important. Uh.

841
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: You never know what sort of technological breakthroughs will help

842
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: law enforcement catch the perpetrators even when you don't have

843
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: a suspect. I love the podcast, guys, appreciate all the

844
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: hard work and keeping entertaining and respectful even when it's

845
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: such sensitive subject matter. And that is Jessica Breslin. I

846
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: guess that I was going up there at the end,

847
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: wasn't I? Yes, indeed you did go up there, Chuck.

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