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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. If I gave you

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Speaker 1: guys the option right now, an all expenses paid trip

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Speaker 1: to Indianapolis, Indiana in February, you guys should probably take it,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you. Kloda Guard Darren Urban It's Cardinals Underground, Yours

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Speaker 1: Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Darren, this

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Speaker 1: breaks a streak of how many years? If you going

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Speaker 1: to Indian person and covering the combine, two thousand and

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Speaker 1: one would have been the last, the first one that

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Speaker 1: would be twenty years. That's a lot of combines there,

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Speaker 1: Paul Cotu. It was really the last normal thing we

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Speaker 1: did before COVID. We went last year and you started

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Speaker 1: hearing rumblings about this coronavirus, didn't really know too much

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Speaker 1: this existence. I mean, you take the forty degrees right

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Speaker 1: now in cloudy skies and maybe some icy sidewalks in

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Speaker 1: a minute. At this point, there's Darren. I remember John

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Speaker 1: Clayton talking about and I don't know exactly when the

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Speaker 1: what it's grown into now. We presume we'll return to

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Speaker 1: It must have been radically different as to what it's

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Speaker 1: And you know, I has told stories it's like, you

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Speaker 1: And my favorite times of those moments was in those days,

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Speaker 1: ever since. Mark that down, Kyle, Okay, you want it's

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Speaker 1: Well he's single. That's the key, right, you know, go

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Speaker 1: wherever you want. So that's, by the way, for my money,

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Speaker 1: the best event of any Olympics are the powerlifters. Are

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Speaker 1: Who's with me on that? I just that feels like

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Speaker 1: as that feels like a real foamal thing for you, Paul,

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Speaker 1: But but Darren, that that doesn't narrow it down much. Okay,

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Speaker 1: down a little. When I was early in my writing career,

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Speaker 1: I covered beach volleyball when Misty May and Carry wall

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling the same way for you, Paul. If there's

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Speaker 1: like a professional power weightlifting circuit, you could be their guy.

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Speaker 1: You could be the sideline reporter, go from city to city,

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Speaker 1: that you're not dead yet, Paul. It said, be somewhere

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Speaker 1: these powerlifters I think goes. It's underrated, it's undernoticed. Every

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Speaker 1: four years. There's nothing better than sitting in a bar

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Speaker 1: or all the World strong Men shows. That was always fun.

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Speaker 1: That's what's on the ESPN two. It's World's strong as Man.

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Speaker 1: That's right, PAULI pencil neack here, I'm interviewing Magnus for Magnus.

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Speaker 1: That'd be good, that'd be solid. There's there's no doubt

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Speaker 1: They're still hoping, Paul, the total Olympics. I think we'll

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Speaker 1: see about that. What we do know, Darren, is the

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Speaker 1: the transition tag, because that's what Kenyan Drake got last year, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: if they don't want it, then they're just gonna let

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Speaker 1: them go because there are going to be deals in

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Speaker 1: free agency. And I will say this too, in a

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Speaker 1: normal situation, when you start talking about players taking less

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Speaker 1: than you know what they're worth and having to make

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Speaker 1: those decisions, you know, in a normal time, if you're

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Speaker 1: a team, you're like, yes, this is a great situation

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Speaker 1: for us. But the reason they're taking less here is

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Speaker 1: because the teams won't have the ability to sign those guys.

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Speaker 1: So I still think it's the players that come out

440
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Speaker 1: in a worse position on an individual basis. But a

441
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Speaker 1: lot of teams aren't going to be aren't thrilled about

442
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Speaker 1: this either. I mean, most teams would would kill for

443
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Speaker 1: be able to pay these guys more money to be

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Speaker 1: able to build their teams. There are some teams, because

445
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Speaker 1: of role over money over the years that have will

446
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Speaker 1: have quite a bit of cap room, whether you know,

447
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the Coal and the Jaguars are two that instantly come

448
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Speaker 1: to mind right now, But there's so many teams that don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about this before. The Saints and

450
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: the Steelers and the Rams last I checked, were among

451
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Speaker 1: the teams that are hopelessly underwater in terms of how

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Speaker 1: the cap is going to go. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: how they are supposed to put together a team this

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Speaker 1: year that's supposed to be competitive. So again, I think

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Speaker 1: this offseason is gonna be fascinating for somebody like me

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Speaker 1: who guess what, I don't have the pressure of trying

457
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Speaker 1: to get signed or be signing anybody. I just get

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Speaker 1: to sit back or watch how it plays out. Guess what,

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00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds might be right. There's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of talented players signed in one year deals, and there

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Speaker 1: might be the ability of some teams to make or

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Speaker 1: run at his super team with a bunch of one

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Speaker 1: years signees. I mean, to Darren's point, I have the

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Speaker 1: numbers in front of me over thecap dot com says Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: The Jets in New England have the most room under

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Speaker 1: the cap that the Jet steps are. I'm sorry, the

467
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Speaker 1: Jets have somewhere around eighty million dollars to spend. Think

468
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: about that, and they're gonna have a rookie quarterback contract

469
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Speaker 1: in the fold on that one. Thirteen teams are currently

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Speaker 1: over the cap, and eight of those made the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: So there will be blood, there will be cuts, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of talented guys will hit the open market.

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Speaker 1: And then to Darren's other point, I had no idea

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Speaker 1: till I saw this recently and I verified this. So

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Speaker 1: teams that had carry over cap space, I didn't even

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Speaker 1: realize that this was allowed to this degree. For example,

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Speaker 1: Dallas is carrying over more than twenty five million dollars,

478
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Speaker 1: Cleveland thirty million plus, the Jets twenty six million plus. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you could have that much carry over.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a certain floor that guarded against

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Speaker 1: that or eliminated that. So somehow Dallas is carrying over

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Speaker 1: twenty five million plus and then you stopped to figure

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Speaker 1: out their quarterback spot with Dak Prescott. You have to

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Speaker 1: reach a certain percentage of the cap in like a

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Speaker 1: four or five year window, so you can roll over

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Speaker 1: that amount for a certain for each year, but you

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Speaker 1: gotta eventually get there. But yeah, teams like I think

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Speaker 1: the Browns are in good caps shape, and the Colts,

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Speaker 1: I feel like those are the most dangerous team because

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Speaker 1: teams because they're close to competitiveness, playoff teams trying to

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Speaker 1: push for that Super Bowl, and they have cap room

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Speaker 1: where the Jets and the Jaguars are pretty far away,

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're going to go on

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Speaker 1: a spending spree, especially guys that want one or two

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Speaker 1: year deals, like you're not going to contend in the

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Speaker 1: next year or two, so why do that. But the

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Speaker 1: Colts could be very aggressive if they want and really

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Speaker 1: get five or six guys that they really want because

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Speaker 1: they are in that position. And I think that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals are in an interesting spot. They're a little bit

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Speaker 1: in between where they don't have a ton of camp room,

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Speaker 1: but they do have some maneuverability. They're not over the cap,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Paul with those thirteen teams, and they're

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Speaker 1: on this trajectory where they want to be super competitive

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: willing to be aggressive like they were last offseason with

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. And I do think the trade market could

508
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Speaker 1: be busier because you mentioned the Saints. They got to

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Speaker 1: trade some guys to get down under the cap, or

510
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Speaker 1: maybe some high priced guys move because these playoff teams

511
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Speaker 1: just can't afford them. So I think it'll be a

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Speaker 1: very interesting offseason toll in the NFL, and the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: could be a part of that because of where they're

514
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Speaker 1: at with Kyler Murray in year three of his rookie

515
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Speaker 1: deal just to put a quick cap on the carryover

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Speaker 1: money to Paul. And I don't want to get too

517
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Speaker 1: deep in the weeds, because you know, people get bored

518
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Speaker 1: over this stuff. But you know, part of the reason

519
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys carried over so much cap room is because

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00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: they got to the point where they realized they might

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Speaker 1: need it for Dak Prescott. So you get to a

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Speaker 1: point where you could hand out a couple of extensions,

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Speaker 1: or you realize, especially when you know bad cap is

524
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Speaker 1: hit is coming, which we knew with COVID, that they

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Speaker 1: better have the kind of room to be able to

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Speaker 1: keep their quarterback. And some of these other teams, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars have been stashing I mean, that's that's not

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Speaker 1: all that it is all rolled over from last year,

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Speaker 1: but that number has been increasing over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. It's not like that's all just from last

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Speaker 1: year's cap. They didn't spend. It's kind of built up. Now,

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00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: you're right, there's there's got to be a floor. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's one of those things where, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there are definitely some teams in better places

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Speaker 1: than others. So Jacksonville, for example, presumably has been operating

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Speaker 1: right around the floor for several years to accumulate eighty

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Speaker 1: million in cap room right now and nearly thirty million

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Speaker 1: in carry over. You know, I mean that that's that's

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Speaker 1: definitely been the result of several years of that sort

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Speaker 1: of kaponomics. Yeah, and when you're rebuilding, you can shed

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Speaker 1: salaries pretty quickly. Like Miami when they decided to trade

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys there, their salary cap space went

543
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Speaker 1: through the roof because they traded all their starts from

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Speaker 1: draft picks and all that money has gone besides the

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Speaker 1: dead hit. So you can you can get money quickly

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Speaker 1: in the NFL if you want to, but most teams

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Speaker 1: don't because you want to be competitive on a year

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Speaker 1: to year basis. And like right now, you look at

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Speaker 1: the Jets having a bunch of space, but they don't

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Speaker 1: have a quarterback, and there's a lot of teams that

551
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: don't have their franchise quarterback in place. So if you

552
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: draft one, you're fine. But if you want to sign one, okay,

553
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: there's thirty five million dollars of your cap room gone.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's all relative. We have to remember

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Speaker 1: what teams, what kind of space teams have but also

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Speaker 1: what kind of players they have on the books too.

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Speaker 1: So from a Cardinals perspective, they have their quarterback, their

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Speaker 1: left tackle, their star wide receiver, their edge rusher. I mean,

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Speaker 1: corner is really the only big premium position the Cardinals

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00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: don't have under contract, and that's why I feel like

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Speaker 1: they're in pretty good cap space, where others have said

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Speaker 1: they don't have a ton of room, and they don't,

563
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: but they have a lot of these premium positions already

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Speaker 1: under contract. By the way, the latest CBS mock draft

565
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Speaker 1: that I saw as of a few hours before this recording,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Farley, the six two corner from Virginia Tech, went

567
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Speaker 1: before the Cardinals, but then they nabbed Patrick Surtan from

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Speaker 1: Alabama as the number sixteen pick overall. So there's your

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Speaker 1: draft update, desk. As I provide that, and uh, you know, Darren,

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00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: Darren doesn't know whether to WinCE or smile at this point.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, though, I think I can confidently

572
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Speaker 1: say that as a nation, the only thing that we're

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Speaker 1: more tired of and weary from than the pandemic is

574
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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott contract talk. Who's with me on that one?

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Speaker 1: Are you seriously? I mean, it was all of last offseason.

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Speaker 1: Now it's starting again. I mean, at this point, I'm

577
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Speaker 1: not sure what I want to go away first, the

578
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: pandemic or just Dak's the discussion about Dak and his

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Speaker 1: next contract. Just get it done and save the nation, Dallas.

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Speaker 1: That's why. That's why Deshaun Watson came out with wanting

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Speaker 1: to be traded so he could take some of the

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00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: pressure off the Dak Prescott a story, right, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So thanks to Deshaun Watson for his unrest with his

584
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: own team and dissatisfaction. Yeah, that's uh. By the way,

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Speaker 1: when Steve Kine was on Arizona Sports, Kyle, was there

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Speaker 1: anything else that made news on you know, out there

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00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: that we should focus on in terms of what he was,

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00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Anything else concrete that we can sink our teeth into. Yeah,

589
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Speaker 1: I think just the idea that he doesn't want to

590
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Speaker 1: release Chandler Jones or he said I reject the premise

591
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Speaker 1: that he could be a surprise cut because that was

592
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Speaker 1: starting to gain a little traction. Anytime you see a

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Speaker 1: big cap savings number for a player that's thirty or older,

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00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: people naturally gravitate to that and say, hey, maybe this

595
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Speaker 1: is a possibility because releasing Chandler Jones it'd save you

596
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars and it would, but you have to

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Speaker 1: remember the quality of player too, So if it was

598
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Speaker 1: somebody who was super injury prone in three years away

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Speaker 1: from their last good season, then I think it makes

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Speaker 1: more sense. But Chandler Jones has been a rock on

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Speaker 1: this team for so long. We've all seen how consistently

602
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: he gets pressure, he gets sacks. So Steve Kin put

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Speaker 1: that to bed a little bit, saying, no, we're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm rejecting the premise that we're going to cut Chandler Jones,

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Speaker 1: even though it would be that cap savings and Darren.

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Speaker 1: As far as Larry, both Michael Bidwell and Steve Kin

607
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Speaker 1: were asked of court about fits, and neither one had

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Speaker 1: anything definitive. I think Michael said that he had flown

609
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: back from the super Bowl with Larry and they talked

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00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: about a lot and had a long discussion, but they

611
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: never got serious about contract or what exactly Larry is

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00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: going to do going forward. So we still wait. Is

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Speaker 1: that the latest? I mean, that's the latest as we

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: sit here recording out Paul. I suppose that can always change,

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Speaker 1: even between the time, well, we finished recording this and

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Speaker 1: when we posted this podcast. But I mean, everybody's kind

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Speaker 1: of waiting. I don't know. I know we've talked about

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Speaker 1: this before. I don't know if this has to do

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Speaker 1: with maybe finding out what the CAP's gonna be or whatever.

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00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: But again, I think with Larry, I think they have

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Speaker 1: an idea of what they would want to spend on

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Speaker 1: another contract for him, and I guess he would have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good idea already of what that would look like.

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Speaker 1: And now it's just the question of whether he wants

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00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: to play or not play. And the thing about it

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00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: is is you would think and I was kind of

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00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: pondering this earlier, I'm like, I guess in some ways,

628
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Speaker 1: you could probably be a situation where he could delay

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00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: it for a while, even after free agency starts. But

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Speaker 1: I just feel like they're gonna be so tight against

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Speaker 1: the cap. They're gonna need to know. I mean, he's

632
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: not playing for the minimum, so they're gonna need to

633
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: know if he's going to play or not before we

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00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: get to free agency. So we're closing in I think

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00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: pretty quickly on what him having to make a decision,

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Speaker 1: and I he's the kind of guy I mean, he's

637
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: not going to leave this team hanging. He's not gonna

638
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: be put them in a spot where they are totally

639
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: screwed without knowing what he's going to do. So I

640
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: feel like you know that that second week of March,

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00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: you know, March fifteenth is when the tampering can officially start.

642
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: March seventeenth is when free agency actually starts. I'm guessing

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00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: by March fifteenth they this everybody will know what Larry

644
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald plans to do for twenty one. And my fits

645
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: Bobblehead here, Kyle. You know, if you could ask Larry

646
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: or the bobblehead in this case, you know one question,

647
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think it would be what are you

648
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: waiting for? What do you think? What is Larry waiting for?

649
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: At this point, you know the floor to the cap,

650
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: it's not going to deviate all that much. What exactly

651
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: is he waiting to see if they make a move

652
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: to fortify the roster. I just I'd like to know

653
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: what exactly is the delay related to. Yeah, I think

654
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: that's a great question, and I'm not sure. I mean,

655
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: like like Darren said, maybe it's connected to the cat.

656
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: But if if it's quibbling over five k a million

657
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: dollars at the top, Like it seems a little bit

658
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: weird to me that that would be one of the

659
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: big stopping points, and or even making a certain move

660
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: is that, Like, do you know that you're going to

661
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: be closer to a Super Bowl if you do a

662
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 1: certain thing unless it's a huge splash. So I just

663
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: feel like he's taking his time and just coming to

664
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: his realistic, logical journey of dope do I want to

665
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: keep playing? And I think it's a lot more big

666
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: picture than looking down into the details of all this stuff.

667
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: And I think he's he's really going back and forth

668
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: and weighing the pros and cons. It's a big decision.

669
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we all want to know. But the

670
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: moment he decides to retire, that that means he's hanging

671
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: it up for good. It's something he's done his entire life.

672
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: And he has other interests obviously, and he's gonna be

673
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: very focused on business and humanitarian side, and he's gonna

674
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: be a busy guy and have plenty to do. But

675
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: this is such a big part of his life that

676
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a crucial decision and one that he's

677
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: not taking lightly obviously, and one he wants to make

678
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: sure he gets right. I would agree that. I don't

679
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: think this has anything to do with money at this point,

680
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: and I don't think it really has to do with

681
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: maybe they give him a kind of a ballpark of

682
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: what they want to do with the roster. But the

683
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: reality is is that he's gonna probably have to make

684
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: a decision before they can sign anybody. So it's not

685
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: like he can sit around and wait for them to

686
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: make a couple moves. And I don't think that's where

687
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: Larry is in his career anymore. Anyways. He wants them

688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: to win, but I think I think he knows where

689
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: they are. I think he knows where Steve Kim is.

690
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: I think he knows where Cliff Kingsbury is. Those guys.

691
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: It's not like they're in slow ramp up mode at

692
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: this point. I mean, if they don't win this year,

693
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: uh there, it's gonna get a little toasty and and

694
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows that. So I don't think it's

695
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: a question with Larry about trying to, you know, figure

696
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: out what moves in particular they're gonna make. I agree

697
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: with Kyle. I think this is a long drawn out process.

698
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: I think this is the closest he's ever really been

699
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: at this point to retiring. I think there's been a

700
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: couple of seasons that have ended and he's kind of like,

701
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: I'm burned out, maybe I will do this, but he

702
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: quickly realizes he doesn't want to walk away. I think

703
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: this is the first time he's really given it a

704
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 1: lot of thought, and he's smartly giving himself some time.

705
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're down to five hundred k or

706
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: a million dollars and that's separating the two sides, I mean,

707
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: come on now, Larry's stock portfolio goes up and down

708
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: by a million dollars every single day. I mean, are

709
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Just write it just just his own

710
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: brokerage account that fluctuates by by that much on a

711
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: near daily basis. I know, about a month ago, joking around,

712
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: I texted him, I said, hey, we're still editing your

713
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: career retrospective piece. It's about twelve minutes long at this point,

714
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: so don't retire this week, you know, llol you know,

715
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: just uh and and I didn't really mean for him

716
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: to take another four or five weeks after that, so,

717
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: you know, Larry, we're all done editing. Come on, you

718
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: guys have your pieces in the can you know, I

719
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: mean everyone's ready to go there, Envelow please, you know,

720
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: come on? I mean I think I think from a

721
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: team building standpoint too, like it's important obviously Fits can

722
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: take his time, but when we talk about getting to

723
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: free agency, not only from how much money he's going

724
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: to take up on the cat, but what do you

725
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,240
Speaker 1: want to do as far as building this offense? Because

726
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: if Flarry Fitzgerald is part of it compared to a

727
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Flarry Fitzgerald is not, that's a big change on what

728
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: you could do a wide receiver where you're spending your resources.

729
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's a pretty big decision offensively

730
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: and how you're gonna build a lot of this thing.

731
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: So I think that's an important domino that's gonna fall

732
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: as well. Do you really think, Paul, that there would

733
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: be a chance in any universe where Lawry Fitzgerald, who

734
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: has the relationship he has with Michael Bidwell, would actually

735
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: end up there would be some kind of quibble between

736
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: half a million dollars or a million dollars. I just

737
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't see how that's even possible. I

738
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: don't even think that's like, that's why I don't think

739
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: that's a thing. No, I don't either, absolutely not that

740
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: is you know, maybe, okay, you guys want to hear it.

741
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Maybe he's waiting for a DeAndre Hopkins type trade. Maybe

742
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: there's something in the works. This time a year ago,

743
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were about to win the off season and

744
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: get the off Season Cup. Right, maybe, just maybe something

745
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: else is in the works right now that we haven't

746
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: caught window that Larry might be aware of potentially, and

747
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: henceforth he's waiting. Accordingly, for those that since this is

748
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: a podcast, I'm gonna have to share that Paul Kelvisi

749
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: has a mini Championship Cup trophy that he just held

750
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: up into the video. Well that you know, it can't

751
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: be the size of the Lombardi. This is for winning

752
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: the off season. This is the Rex Ryan Award for

753
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: winning the off season. That's what you get right here,

754
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: this plastic three cup. As we talked about earlier. I

755
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't think Larry Fitzgerald is waiting to see

756
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals are gonna do a blockbuster trade. But

757
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: I do think that's an avenue that they can pursue because,

758
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: like we said, the cap is gonna wreak havoc on teams.

759
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: There's gonna be teams that need to shed so much

760
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: salary that maybe they're willing to deal a star or two.

761
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: And maybe the Cardinals can get in on that. They

762
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: obviously showed they would do it with DeAndre Hopkins. You

763
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: probably can't get that type of value in another trade

764
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: because it was so lopsided. But are you willing to

765
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: trade a first round pick at this point where you

766
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: feel like your window with Kyler Murray is these next

767
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: three years when he's on his rookie deal. Are you

768
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: willing to mortgage the future a little bit and go

769
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: all in? And I think that could be a possibility.

770
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: I feel like they're at that point in year three

771
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: where you're really going to pour a lot of resources

772
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: into these next couple of seasons. Let's just make clear too,

773
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: Kyle is a big proponent of the go all in

774
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: and get kicked in the shorts later. If he wants

775
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: to spout on that, well, I mean, you look at

776
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: the history of teams that win Super Bowls and it's

777
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: very often their quarterback is on that rookie contract because

778
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: you can build the team around him and have a

779
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: lot of talent around him, and the minute Kyler Murray's

780
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: extension kicks into its market value, if you know, if

781
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: he gets extended, I know I'm looking forward and we

782
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: all assume that eventually they're going to come to a deal.

783
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: Then you're talking about going from a ten million dollars

784
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: cap hit to a forty million dollars or whatever it's

785
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: gonna be. So that's a significant chunk of money that

786
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: will never be there again when Kyler Murray is making

787
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: that type of money. So I think these next two

788
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: or three years are crucial. And we've seen it over

789
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and over. Teams that have a quarterback on a rookie contract,

790
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: they build up around them and they go for it.

791
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: And the Rams did it, and the Seahawks did it,

792
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs have done it, and you know, all

793
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: these teams. The Eagles won a Super Bowl with Carson

794
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Wentz on a rookie deal. It's happening over and over

795
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: and over. And I think with the progress the Cardinals

796
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: have made these last two seasons, they're on that precipice.

797
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: They're on the edge of serious competitiveness, and I think

798
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: if a DeAndre Hopkins type deal presents itself, you need

799
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: to be aggressive and keep going for it. All right.

800
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I advanced this theory on Big Red Rage. I'm gonna

801
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: bring this up since there is a podcast, Cardinals on

802
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: a Ground brought to you by Pacific Office out of

803
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: my proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. There were the

804
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: recent promotions in the front office, right, Quentin Harris now

805
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: VP of Personnel, Adrian Wilson, VP of Pro Personnel, Drew Griggson,

806
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Director of Player Personnel. May I nominate Larry Fitzgerald as

807
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: assistant to the assistant GM, which doesn't really exist. Just

808
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: work with me. If indeed this is going to be

809
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: a situation Chase Edmonds where a team might have the

810
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: ability to build a super team who's got a bigger

811
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: contact list than Larry Fitzgerald, who has the ability to

812
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: work the phones and connect with players on a Lebron

813
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: like level across the NFL Like Larry Fitzgerald. What if

814
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: fitz was the catalyst him and his relationships across the

815
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: league to bring in Hey, this is gonna be Larry

816
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: Palooza twenty twenty one. I'm going out one more year.

817
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Come on in. We're streaking. We're streaking, bringing Snoop Dogg.

818
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna let it, I mean the whole thing, old

819
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: schools style, and you just come in and it's one

820
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: big bash. The last year, everyone comes in to try

821
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: and get Larry that ring. Everyone on a one year

822
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: deal until the cap resets for twenty twenty two and

823
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: Larry and his contact list in his phone makes it happen.

824
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: First of all, you you you already we already saw

825
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: that movie. It was in twenty twenty. It was the

826
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Tom Brady. But and it's a

827
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: copycat league do exactly what Tom Brady did. But now

828
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: Larry's the catalyst. And and to be honest, since we've

829
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: we've we've straightened out exactly what Adrian's title is. Then

830
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: the vice president of stuff is still available now, so

831
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: uh that Adrian wants claimed, So maybe that that we

832
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: can make fits the vice president of stuff stop. It's

833
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: a fascinating idea. The issue of the hair is, you

834
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: know again, is he doing it as a as a

835
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: player there? So you're coming to like maybe come in.

836
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: If everybody's going to do a one year deal, what

837
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: are they taken money. Look, I think I think to

838
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: a certain extent, people like the idea of being part

839
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: of a super team and all things being equal. Yeah,

840
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: you'd rather do that than go to just another team

841
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: if that money is the same. But the money isn't

842
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: necessarily always going to be the same. And we've even

843
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: seen it with the Buccaneers, like they have the parade,

844
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: the water parade after winning the Super Bowl. Bruce arians

845
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: is up there dropping expletives and talking about how every

846
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: single one of these free agents is going to be back.

847
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: Where else would they be going. They're gonna be right

848
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: back on our roster. And then people start crunching the

849
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: numbers and they go, oh, wait a minute, how is

850
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: that even possible? And then a couple of guys are like, yeah,

851
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: this is my one chance at making a huge deal

852
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: of money. I mean, well, the emotions real quick. Even

853
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: with the vice president of Stuff Larry Fitzgerald. I mean,

854
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: we're on the big red rage, Kyle, and we asked

855
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: Larry flat out back when we could actually be near

856
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: each other, and he had his phone and I said,

857
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: come on, drop do some name dropping on your phone

858
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: right there. You know he's got Warren Buffett on speed dial,

859
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: he gets text messages from Tiger Woods and Barack Obama.

860
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, Larry can make it happen if he decided

861
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: he did his contact list. Yeah, I mean, I think

862
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: that's interesting and maybe if he has certain relationships, maybe

863
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: that pushes things over the edge. But I go back

864
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: to what Darren saying, money talks the most. I mean,

865
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: if you're getting an offer for three million dollars from

866
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: this team and one point two million from the Cardinals,

867
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: it's great to have a friend in Larry Fitzgerald, but

868
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: who's given you that other one point eight million dollars?

869
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm always taking the money if it's

870
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: if it's up to me in that situation. But you

871
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: do bring up a good point about or Darren did

872
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: about the Buccaneers, where that was really one of the

873
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: few instances where it actually happened in the NFL. We've

874
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: seen it time and time again in the NBA ever

875
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: since Lebron teamed up with d Wade and Chris Bosh.

876
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: But the NFL is so different that you don't really

877
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: super team it because guys don't have guarantee contracts. They're

878
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 1: always trying to make sure they maximize their earning potential

879
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But maybe you do go into a

880
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: situation like they had with Gronk and Antonio Brown and

881
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette and all these guys certainly came and wanted

882
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: to play with Tom Brady. I'm not sure the Cardinals

883
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: are there because of the record last season. I think

884
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: maybe if they won ten games, made the playoffs, won

885
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: a playoff game, they'd be a little bit more of

886
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: a sexier choice for all these free agents. I think

887
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: they might need to surprise next season in order to

888
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: get that to get to that level, but I don't

889
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: think they're there yet, so I don't think it's going

890
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: to happen. But it's certainly an intriguing idea, and the

891
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: idea of a super team. I mean, Chase Evans brought

892
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: it up, so players are thinking about maybe it's gonna happen,

893
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: and we'll just have to see what happens in free agency.

894
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: A forty of the fifty states just went through the

895
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: worst winner storm in like decades, So you know, Larry

896
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: just get on the horn, started extolling the virtues of

897
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: our seventy one degree day in full sunshine, and now

898
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: is the time to strike now is when you start.

899
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: Because these guys are ready boys to get out of

900
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: the cold and to come some warm weather and sunshine. So,

901
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: by the way, how about a quick shout out to

902
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: Mike you Potty who decided to call it a career

903
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: after eleven years, Big Mike and Big Mike what four

904
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls? Three or the nine ers his first year

905
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: where the Cardinals went to the Pro Bowl. I know

906
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: he was always our pick when we asked the question

907
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: to start every season, as we do on the Big

908
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Red Rage, if you had to pick one member of

909
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals to walk into a biker bar with,

910
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: Mike you Potty was always my choice. I just tell

911
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: you that right now. I will say that reading the

912
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: story of I believe it was from Idaho who he

913
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: basically broke the news too, and seeing his quotes, that

914
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: was good to know that Mike, who is a great dude,

915
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: his economy of words has not changed. The quotes in

916
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: that story, and I will see Mike Sando putting out

917
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: the very impressive one career reception of Mikey Potti that

918
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: he had against the Vikings on that Thursday Nike game.

919
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: That was that was a good memory right there, because

920
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals don't win that game without if they

921
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: hadn't targeted Mikey Potti. So that that's right. Let me

922
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: tell you this was years ago, and it was it

923
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: was after the season, and everyone was anyway as a

924
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: weekend at a local resort, and we did a staycation

925
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: from my wife's birthday, et cetera, et cetera, and it

926
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: happened that we ran into Mikey Potti. And we forget

927
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: because we're well, we used to be in the locker

928
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: room all the time. We're around these guys all the time,

929
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: and you forget just how large of a human being

930
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: Mikey Potty is. And for fun, I would cut up

931
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: before I went up and saying hey Mike. I walked

932
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: behind him about a good fifty feet behind him for

933
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: a few minutes and just watched the wake he left

934
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: behind around the pool area. It's this local resort, just

935
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: all these people like, oh boy, did you see Martha,

936
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: Do you see the size of that guy? And just

937
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: just to see him interact in a regular situation outside

938
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: the NFL team facility or an NFL road trip where

939
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: you're around all these other plus size dudes, and to

940
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: see him in public around that resort and just the

941
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: wake he left with people just reacting to the size

942
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: a big Mike because you know there and he had

943
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: his little two year old with him and it was Hilary.

944
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: His two year old right now is probably about twelve

945
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: and probably twice my size. And if you guys are right,

946
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: the dichotomy between his size and his personality, he's such

947
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: a soft spoken guy, a very sweet guy. I mean,

948
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: you think he's this big, brash, rough and tough guy

949
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: who you do want to go to a bar with

950
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: and he's gonna start trouble, but he's like, he's just

951
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: such a soft spoken guy that, Yeah, you try to

952
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: do an interview with him, and he gave you a

953
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: five word answers and he's he's answering your questions, but

954
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: he's not going to give you much else. But he's

955
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: certainly a kind hearted person. And I remember talking to

956
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: him when he left the Cardinals, asking if he might

957
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: retire then, and he said he wanted to get to

958
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: ten years in the NFL, and I think this was eleventh,

959
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: so I know that was a milestone for him. So

960
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: congrats to Mike on that. All right, So there you go,

961
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: let's see what we what we determine in this episode

962
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by a Pacific Office

963
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: Automation prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals. One Larry needs

964
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: to get off his keyster and start working the phone

965
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: and start building a Lebron type super team. I think

966
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: that's one takeaway to Kyle if given his druthers, would

967
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: actually be covering the a VP if it still existed,

968
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: the Professional Volleyball League, and Kyle will be doing his

969
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: own Endless Summer if you guys ever saw those surfing

970
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: movies Endless Summer, and colleges follow the volleyball circuit around

971
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: from one warm weather locale to another, all around the globe,

972
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: so that'd be good. Me. I'll be a sideline reporter

973
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: for the powerlifting circuit any day, honestly, me and Magnus

974
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Magnusson as my analyst. I mean, we'll crush it. We'll

975
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: absolutely crush it. We'll give WWE and UFC or run

976
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: for their money. We'll take power. Darren, you know you're

977
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: conspicuous by your absence. Is there some it's gonna He's

978
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: gonna be monologuing the podcast next week. We both have

979
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: jobs spanning the globe. Actually, actually, I'm just gonna fly

980
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: by myself to Indianapolis, will wander around downtown indian wish

981
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: everybody else was there for the comment. That's right, he's

982
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna drown his sorrows in his beer. Why

983
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: can't I cover the three cone? I've been doing a

984
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and one and I don't get to. I

985
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: don't get to. I'm not here for the measurables or

986
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: the three cone or anything, or the hand size measurements,

987
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: none of that. Gonna go get myself the indie blonde

988
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: at the at the ram Uh Brewery and then perhaps

989
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: a trip to Saint Ulmbos about myself. All right, well,

990
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: you know what, We'll raise a shrimp cocktail to everyone.

991
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: Called an episode of Cardinals Underground