1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: One thing I have not done. I've never pretended to 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: be a police officer. And you know what's so funny, 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: I am with men in police all its actually comes 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: time to do something about inflation. Around the kitchen table, 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Republicans in Congress said no. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, Policy 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: and Perspective from DC's top name. Did Joe Biden win 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: the election, Congresswoman Green, Joe Biden is the President of 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: the United States. Absolutely, but you pushed a big lie 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: that said he did not win the elections. They couldn't 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: actually say nice things about one another. Bloomberg Sound On 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio Poll show Democrats momentum slowing. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics and not the 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: headline Dems want to hear. With just over three weeks 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: to the election, we'll get inside the new numbers and 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: the money with political scientist Lincoln Mitchell, Associate research scholar 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: at Columbia University, will check in with Bloomberg. Government Zach Cohen, 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: who's on the ground in Utah ahead of tonight's Senate debate, 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: and as Herschel Walker answers to the police badge and 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: the get Well card will get analysis on the race 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: that could decide who controls the Senate with our signature 22 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis, or 23 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: with us for an important hour ahead that you will 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: not hear anywhere else. Early voting is now underway in 25 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: states like Georgia and Ohio, and with just over three 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: weeks to election day, Democrats may have peaked according to 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: the latest national polls. A new New York Times Siena 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: College polls just out this morning finds of likely voters 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: planned to vote for a Republican for Congress compared to 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: who say they'll vote for a Democrats. Democrats held a 31 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: one point lead in that same poll in September of 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: voters say economic concerns are the most important issues facing America. 33 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: That's up from mid thirties in July. Separately, a CBS 34 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: new use you Gov poll show simple if the economy 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: is getting worse, CBS projecting Republicans take the House. President 36 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: Biden over the weekend on the stump in Oregon says 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: inflation will get worse if Republicans win. It actually comes 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: time to do something about inflation. Around the kitchen table, 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: Republicans and Congress said no. If they take control, there said, 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: their first aim is to get rid of the Inflation 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: Reduction Act, and inflation is going to go up, not down. 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: Your inflation is going to go up, not down. That 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: message does not seem to be resonating, and we bring 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: in Lincoln Mitchell, off the Top political Analysts, adjunct Associate 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: Research Scholar at the Institute of War and Peace Studies 46 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: at Columbia University. Lincoln, welcome back to sound On. Oh, 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: thank you for having me so always for it to 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 1: be here. So it's it's not just one, but two 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: new polls show momentum stalling for Democrats in the final 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: weeks here of this cycle. Narrow but distinct is how 51 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: the New York Times describes republic Blickins lead right now, 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Are they right? Yes? If the election were helps today, 53 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: probably there's still you know, a couple of weeks ago. 54 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna say a lot can happen, because 55 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: a lot was never gonna happen. A lot of minds 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: are never going to be changed. But a little can happen. 57 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: In elections of the twenty one century or one of 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Boston the margin. So I don't think this is over yet. 59 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: If I were Republican strategist, I would not quite be 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: popping the Champagne clerks. Well, it's interesting one on the margins. 61 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: Here the time Ciena poll finds independent women made the 62 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: biggest shift. And I had to read this a couple 63 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: of times. Didn't seem right. In September they favored Democrats 64 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: by fourteen points. Now independent women, even in the wake 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: of the Row ruling, I thought it rationalize a shift 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: like that. The first thing I thought was, how what 67 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of a sample are we talking about? Right, independent women? 68 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: If you have a fift person pole, you know which, 69 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't think the polls are that big. Necessarily you're 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: talking about maybe two people, of course, which is not 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: a huge number. My sense is that in the initial 72 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: wake of the Dobb's decision, the Democratic Party hit very, 73 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: very hard on abortion right, and now they've pulled back 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. And the question for the Democratic Party 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: is will that be smart enough to go back to 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: that as the closing argument, because that is the argument 77 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: that moves key voters. Talking about Trump and democracy, those 78 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: are all based arguments, right, But if you want to 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: take voters who are kind of republic and curious worried 80 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: about inflation. This is an issue that can bring them 81 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: to the Democrats. So if they don't hit hard on it, 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: those voters will go Republican and it won't be a 83 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: good year from the Democrat. And right before the election Lincoln, 84 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: there's going to be a FED meeting and likely another 85 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: jumbo rate hike, and that's gonna be splashed around the 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: front pages and the top of newscasts as people are 87 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: making their final decisions. And remember with inflation, you know, 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: there are economic indicators like unemployment just for or the 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: stock market, right which if you don't have stock or 90 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: if your job is steady, doesn't necessarily affect you. But 91 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: I can't think of a single American who's not affective. 92 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I just went to the grocery store to 93 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: day and was kind of shocked and buying not much, 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: you know. Um, So this is very real and in 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: my view, the Democrats have stumbled here because and this 96 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: is something I would have thought Biden would be good at. 97 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: He's not communicated. This is a serious problem, and I understand, 98 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: and I want to do something about it instead. The 99 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: first reaction of Democrats was to deny it and give 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: Biden cover and that was a mistake. Alex fairness to 101 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: Biden and the Democratic Party. Nobody has a solution for this. 102 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the Republicans are very good at, to use 103 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: a technical term, sketching, but they don't have solutions. And 104 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: I think they're up front about that. But if it's 105 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: going to get them elective, they're going to use them. Well, 106 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: you know what Joe Biden would say. First of all, 107 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: a year ago, I made that my priority. I told 108 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: everyone that, I said, I feel your pain. And look, 109 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: we we passed three or four pieces of legislation. They say, 110 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: you're going to bring prices down Lincoln. That's right, and 111 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: Biden has a legislative record to run on it, but 112 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: inflation is not part of that record. Right. He got 113 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: that money out the door, He got the vaccination and 114 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: people had a hundred millions vaccinations was never going to happen. 115 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: He got the infrastructure built done, he got you know, 116 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: the the Inflation Reduction Act, which is really a climate 117 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: change built on. He's done a lot, but you know, 118 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: the front and center issue of inflation and the inner 119 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: ability of the Democrats to communicate that you know, this 120 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: is rough, I understand this, and there are other important 121 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: things out there we have to think about. They haven't 122 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: done that because they've played down inflation went to every American. 123 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: It's very obvious that inflations real CBS News of course 124 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: a separate poll, but similar trend rights For two months, 125 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: the Democrats chipped away at the Republicans lead in the 126 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: battle for House control, and it's followed by a butt. 127 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: The momentum has stalled, at least for now. How could 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: they have held onto those numbers or was the timing 129 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: just not in democrats favor this cycle? I mean, maybe 130 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking differently back in the late summer, but 131 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: I didn't really think the Democrats were ever going to 132 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: hold onto the House my sense, and I still think 133 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: this is possible that if you if the Democrats end 134 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: up with somewhere between a hundred two, the Republicans will 135 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: obviously end up with control of the House. But that's 136 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: not a red wig, given given redistricting, given the normal 137 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: but you know midterm election patterns, the Republicans could you 138 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: could see the Republican walking away from this election with 139 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: two five just to use a round number of House 140 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: seats fifty Senate set and that's not I mean, if 141 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: I'm the Republican Party, I'm thinking, Wow, we didn't have 142 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Trump on the ticket, we had an unpopular president, installations 143 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: through the roof, and this is the best we can do. 144 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: And and of course they're only getting those fifty sentences 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: because they're cleaning up in these tiny states with twelve voters. 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: The thing is, nobody's arguing about the House anymore. Right now. 147 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: Now the argument is can can Democrats keep the Senate? 148 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: And more and more people are saying no, Well we'll 149 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: first we'll remember that a year ago it was a 150 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: something they would keep neither and then what happened is 151 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: the Republicans now and I don't think we should get 152 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: into this, nominated a spate of really terrible candidates. I 153 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: mean Dr oz herschall Walker Blake Master who sounds more 154 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: like a golf tournament, and a politician in Arizona. But 155 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: but but what you have to understand, I think is 156 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: that is that the Republicans nominate those candidates because that's 157 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: who they are. This is the party that if Donald 158 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Trump says jumped, you know, a plurality of primary voters 159 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: say off of what and then they end up with 160 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: people like herschell Walker. So this is could still in 161 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: this race. I mean, you've got my gosh, look at 162 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: the scandal with herschel Walker. People applauded his performance in 163 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: the debate on Friday night. He could be the next 164 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: Senator from Georgia. He could still win this race. But 165 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: the fact that they have to spend money and they 166 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: have to worry about Georgia is not something they thought 167 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: they would have to do going in. And the other 168 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: point here is and I would just not the same candidate, 169 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: but I'm struck by You know, you could make the 170 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: argument herschel Walker is just axiomatically unqualified to be in 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the center, and I think that's a given. At the 172 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: same time, you can make the argument that that John 173 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: Federman is axiomatically not healthy enough to being the Senate, 174 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: at least for now. But one of the real striking 175 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: things we're seeing over and over in this century is 176 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: that American elections look more and more like parliamentary elections. 177 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: All that matter is the party, right, because you know, 178 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: as long as Federman has a pulse, he's gonna vote 179 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: for Chuck Schumer for leader and for everything. Biden wants 180 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: every major thing Biden wants. And as long as herschel Walker, 181 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, can find his way around the out of 182 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: the Senate clokeroom to his desk, he'll do the opposite. 183 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: And that's how voters are thinking about this. This election 184 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: is about Walker and Warnock and Federman and Oz, but 185 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: ultimately it's about Biden Trump and that's still how voters 186 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: see it. Well, I'll tell you it's interesting. Some of 187 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: the numbers crunched today by the popular information website tip 188 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: Sheet whatever I should call it pretty startling, thirty five 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: point six million dollars in corporate donations. These are not 190 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: people picking up the the phone and donating five dollars 191 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 1: thirty five and a half million dollars to election deniers, 192 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: those deemed election deniers, incumbents or or otherwise challengers by 193 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: the Washington Post. And this isn't just a couple of people, 194 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: as you well know. We're talking about two election denying 195 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: candidates as described here. The companies on this list A 196 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: T and T ups, home depot, major publicly traded companies. 197 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: Boeing is in the top five. Reinforcing the comment you 198 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: just made. But it tells me that people who run 199 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: major companies are more concerned about lower tax right than 200 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: about democracy. That's just the bottom line. And that number 201 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: of elections deniers and the number and the money, those 202 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: are both low ball accounts because that doesn't include state 203 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: legislative candidates. It doesn't include a situation where somebody is 204 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: not exactly election denier, but not exactly willing to stand 205 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: the record that Biden is the president. So it's actually, 206 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, the republic election denial is the front center 207 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: issue for the Republican Party, and I think that's kind 208 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: of an underreported notion because it's so frightening to people 209 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: to realize this is what's become of our two party system. 210 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: I've worked on elections all over the world and one thing, 211 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: kind of basic thing that we've talked about in that 212 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: kind of work is that if the if democracy depends 213 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: on one party winning, then it's not a democracy. And 214 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: that's what we are here. An that's a tough statement, 215 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: and it does reinforce this. Uh, these numbers reinforce the 216 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: point that you're making there. It also reinforces the point 217 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: that people want to vote for a winner. Right If 218 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: the impression is that Republicans are taking the House, that's 219 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: where the corporate money is going. Well for the corporate money. Yes, 220 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: they want to back a winner because they want election 221 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: denying or not, it's not a right, right, I mean, 222 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: you know J D. Vance in that debate with Tim 223 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: Ryan in Ohio, that's will be very interesting. He said, 224 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: why are you because Ryan was attacking him for supporting 225 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: all the election deniers and being part of that, and 226 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: he said, why are you consolt concerned with that when Ohio, 227 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: Ohio wins can't afford food and grant gat And that 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: is a very concise statement of the Republican position because 229 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: the flat out says we don't care about democracy. And 230 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: Ryan had you know, he said, Ryan is a smart guy. 231 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: But the response, the democratic response overall, has to be 232 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: these things are related, right when you vote for these 233 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: when you vote for candidates backed by these corporations whose 234 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: response to inflation sent to further raised prices because they 235 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: can you know, you're that's what's driving information. Fascinating conversation 236 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: as always Lincoln Mitchell Professor and a lot more as 237 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: you can hear. In fact, he is the adjunct Associate 238 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Research Scholar at the Institute of War and Peace Studies 239 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: Columbia University. Many thanks for being with us here. Lincoln 240 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: Mitchell speaking of the methodology in those polls. The New 241 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: York Times poll survey seven ninety two likely voters, four 242 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: point one percent margin of error, bigger poll for CBS. 243 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: They talked to more than two thousand registered voters. I'm 244 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Son on 245 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. A fascinating takeaway from 246 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: this New York Times Siena poll as the winning formula. 247 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: The winning Democratic coalition during the Trump presidency relied, of course, 248 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: you remember, on a significant gender gap and on winning 249 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: women buy a wide margin. This pole just out shows 250 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: Republicans have entirely erased what had been an eleven point 251 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: edge for Democrats among women last month in twenty two 252 00:12:53,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: congressional races to a statistical tie. In October, we assembled 253 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: our panel. Rick Davis back with us and Jennie Chanzano 254 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors. What's your take on this, genie. The 255 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: presidents could be knocking on doors around the country right now, 256 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: but he's going to be spending the bulk of this 257 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: week either in Rehobeth Beach or here in Washington, d C. 258 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: What can Democrats do well? The president is doing the 259 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: right thing. You know, he needs to go where he 260 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: can be helpful. There's some states and some districts where 261 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: he simply won't be helpful. In fact, he'll be the opposite. 262 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: So he is out raising money, he's out with candidates 263 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: who need him and in whose districts and state he 264 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: can you know, at least increased turnout. The most you know, 265 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: sort of powerful Democrat going out at this point is 266 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: Barack Obama and second of that seems to be Pete 267 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Buddha Judge. And the argument Democrats have to make over 268 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: and over again is the focus on the insecurity that 269 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: women feel about their health and their bodies as it 270 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: pertains to abortion. They have to talk about the presence 271 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump and the candidates he's gotten on the 272 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: back this year successfully so. And they also have to say, 273 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: unlike Republicans, they do have an answer to the problem 274 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: of the economy and inflation. You know, one thing that 275 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: the President has been saying accurately is show us what 276 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: you're going to do. It's not enough just to say 277 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: you're going to get into office. You have to say 278 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do when you're in there, and Republicans 279 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: haven't answered on that point. Well, Rick, what do you 280 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: make of this? At eleven point edges? This is a 281 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: story of just sort of vanishing? Is it a story 282 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: of bad timing and proximity? The fact that the role 283 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: ruling happened a little bit earlier in the cycle than 284 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: that might have been beneficial to Democrats? Ors are more 285 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: at work here. Well, I think a little bit of both, right, 286 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it's cyclical. I do think 287 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: this issue around abortion peaked early. You look at you 288 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: know where it was back at the end of June. 289 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean when you look at even things like Google 290 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: search results for Roe v. Wade or abortion, it was 291 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: it was super high, right, And that was at a 292 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: time when Democrats were catching their win and starting to 293 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: create some of this polling advantage, especially with independent women. 294 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: And now economy is ahead of abortion, it's ahead of 295 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade searches. So you don't have to go 296 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: very far to find sort of empirical evidence that people 297 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: have changed their their their priorities, they've changed their point 298 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: of view. Um, I don't disagree with Lincoln and Jeannie 299 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: who say you've got to close a campaign with one 300 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,119 Speaker 1: of the strongest issues of abortion. But they've never developed. 301 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Democrats have never developed a very good talking point around 302 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: the economy and inflation, and certainly now with the advent 303 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: of people talking about the inevitability of a recession, it's 304 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: only gotten to be a steeper curve. And right now 305 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Democrats are running out of time. Joe Biden isn't given 306 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: him any assistance his numbers, even though his his personal 307 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: approval is up. When you look at his numbers on 308 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: the economy, it's a disaster. So unlikely he's going to 309 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: be able to, you know, change the dynamic. I'll tell 310 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: you that the president's travel schedule flom large in the 311 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: White House briefing room today and Karine Jean Pierre, the 312 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Press secretary, was playing defense. As you can imagine on this. 313 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: He is only scheduled to be in Pennsylvania this week. 314 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: We've got three weeks to go here. Only one day 315 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: he will be campaigning, and that is with John Fetterman 316 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: in in a state that he actually refers to as 317 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: a as a bit of a home state. Here's Karine 318 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: John Pierre in response, So last week, we spent four 319 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: days in the country. Right. We left on Wednesday, came 320 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: back Saturday night, to be more specific, two am on Sunday. 321 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: Some of us walked into our house at two am 322 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: one Sunday. Um. And the week before that, he spent 323 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: four days out into the country. Uh. Some of that 324 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: was yes for the hurricane in Puerto Rico, uh and 325 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: going to see the recovery there. Us another day was 326 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: in Florida to talk to the American people. A lot 327 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: of people got up for work at two o'clock in 328 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: the morning or home from work, Genie on Sunday? Is 329 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: that the best way to relate with Americans here? And 330 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: and you know, why not just say the president's busy? Yeah? 331 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean the response that you know is wanting. Um. 332 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, there is a way for the White House 333 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: to explain the president's schedule. He is doing everything he 334 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: can to get Democrats elected to maintain the House and 335 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: the Senate. He has you know, his his schedule is 336 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: exactly what it should be. And there's no question about that. 337 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: Presidents cannot in a midterm year go where they're not wanted. 338 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: They will, they will hurt their own party. But I 339 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: just want to say on this inflation economy issue. You know, 340 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Raphael Warnock didn't have the best debate on Friday night, 341 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: but on that issue he did turn the tables on 342 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: Walker when he talked about the Inflation Reduction Act and said, 343 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: you've if you would have voted against it, you would 344 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: have voted to keep prescription drugs insulin costs up. That's 345 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: the answer for Democrats. They've got to say we are 346 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: actually producing for you. That's why that vote was so important. 347 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: On the I r A, they aren't making that case. 348 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: But Warnock started to get there on Friday night, and 349 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: Walker had no response to that. I'll give you a 350 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: taste to that. I think he should tell the people 351 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: of Georgia, while he thinks they should have expensive insulin 352 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: and while the farmer suitable companies should be able to 353 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: charge us whatever they like. Well, first of all, respond, 354 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: you know, I believe in reducing insulin. But at the 355 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: same time, you gotta eat right because he may not 356 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: know and I know many people that's on inculin, and 357 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: unless you have eating right, insulin is doing you're no good. 358 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: So they eat right. Line. We got that. This went 359 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: viral over the weekend. Herschel Walker was asked about it 360 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: again today on nbcating, stand those states what you gotta 361 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: eat right for if you taken instillent, you still gotta 362 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: eat the proper diet. Is that a Is that a 363 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: response Rick Davis for Republican after that vote, Well, certainly 364 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: not for my daughter who's a typeline juvenile diabetic and 365 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: without light uh insulin, she would not be alive. So 366 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: I think he's got to tighten up that message a 367 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: little bit. We're gonna spend, by the way, the end 368 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: of the broadcast our our last fifteen minutes, We're gonna 369 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: dig into the herschel Walker Raphael Warnock phenomenon, not just 370 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: the debate, but everything that's been surrounding it, because a 371 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: lot has happened since Friday and night, and we're gonna 372 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: go to Utah next with another debate set for this evening. 373 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. Welcome to Bloomberg Sound On. 374 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: As we turned to the race in Utah, as mentioned, 375 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: Senator Mike Lee Is, Challenger Evan McMullen and Independent have 376 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: a tall task ahead of them and what will be 377 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: their only debate tonight. As I read from Zach Cohen's 378 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: peace on the terminal. They have to win over a 379 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: big block of undecided and uh, these numbers obtained by 380 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Government, sixteen percent of likely voters say they are undecided. 381 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's one poll of separate pole that Bloomberg 382 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: government is putting up here shows uh, not too far apart, 383 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: twelve percent undecided. Mike Lee ahead but not by a 384 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: lot and below. That's why we discussed on Friday his 385 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: plea on Fox News the Republican incumbent for Mitt Romney 386 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: of course, also Utah to get on board and endorsement. 387 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 1: Please get on board, help me win re election. Help 388 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: us do that. You can get your entire family to 389 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: donate to me, please. And Evan McMullin shows up on 390 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: Meet the Press, My goodness talking to Chuck Todd about this. 391 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: And if you, if you are elected, will you caucus 392 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: with the Republicans? Would you vote for Mitch McConnell. These 393 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: are the questions that are being asked now in a 394 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: race that not a lot of people were looking at 395 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Well, look, the parties are 396 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: going to decide who they choose to lead them. I 397 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: won't be part of that as an independent and whatever 398 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: scenario Chuck. The parties in Washington and others, they're going 399 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: to have to figure out what this means for them 400 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: on their own. I'm committed to maintaining my independence. I'm 401 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: building a cross partisan coalition. I also believe that our 402 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: country just needs more independent leaders who will stand up 403 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: to party bosses on both sides. That's the story he's 404 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: telling right now. And he's friends with Mitt Romney, so 405 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: mikely is not likely going to get donations from MIT's 406 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: entire family. The two polls I mentioned, by the way, 407 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: do have Lee ahead, Just not buy a lot. Like 408 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: I said, forty favored by and one poll in the 409 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: other Bloomberg government. Zack Cohen has made his way to 410 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: Utah for the one and done tonight. Zach, welcome. It's 411 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: great to have you here. What's the job then? How 412 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: how do you appeal to undecided voters? You have to 413 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: play it to the center. This is really one of 414 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: the more fascinating races to watch this cycle, precisely because 415 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 1: it does not comport with the normal partisan lines that 416 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of Senate races. You've got sender 417 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: Mike Lee, one of the more conservative members of the 418 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: Senate on one side, who really tonight has to really 419 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: start coalescing support from Republicans who are not sold on 420 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: his reelection race, despite the fact that Utah's is a 421 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: rather red state voted for Trump by over twenty points, 422 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: and Ed McMullan, I would say, has a harder task 423 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: trying to introduce himself to those voters who don't know 424 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: him yet and try to get a coalition of not 425 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: just Democrats and Independence but also Republicans that would agree 426 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: to trade Lee for McMullan in the Senate and hand 427 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: a and the Senate something of a of a potential 428 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: swing vote that could be really critical on major pieces 429 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: of legislation. You spoke with the data analyst in your piece, 430 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: who are referred to a double digit share of undecided 431 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: voters that we're talking about here showing quote a very 432 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: low engagement state this cycle. What what does that mean? 433 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: So the poll that we were able to get our 434 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: hands on, six percent, as you mentioned, were undecided between 435 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: Lee and McMullan, which is a rather large number of voters, 436 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: especially considering there were only a couple of weeks out. 437 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: Is it because they're not paying attention though I think 438 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: it's also just a more complicated race. There's no Democrat 439 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: in this race, so really Democrats are the ones that 440 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: make up the big share of these undecided voters who 441 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: are looking at Mike Lee on one side on the 442 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: right and Nevi McMullen on the you know, the center left, 443 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: and trying to decide whether McMullan is going to be 444 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: their guy in this race. And so I think a 445 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: lot of voters are going to make up their decisions 446 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to all action day. 447 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: But certainly this debate provides both candidates an opportunity to 448 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: address those candidates those voters that aren't sold on them yet. 449 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: Does low engagement equal low turnout? It could. Mid Term 450 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: elections do generally have a lower turnout than a presidential race. 451 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: That's actually true among populations that tend to favor Democrats. Typically, 452 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, Republican voters are a little more consistent in 453 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: coming out to the polls. Um, So I think the 454 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: certainly the combination of a mid term cycle. You don't 455 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: have a presidential election on the top of the ballot, 456 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: um and not and no governor's race either. Um. The 457 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: Senate race really is the only race to come out 458 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: for and doesn't really give voters as much to come 459 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: out for, especially if it's not clear that the Senate 460 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: UH control is going to be decided based on this race. Well, 461 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: how does it feel now that you're there? Are people 462 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: actively talking about mid terms? Are they talking issues? Who's 463 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: winning the sign war? I think we're gonna find out 464 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: later at the at the debate. I'm still at my hotel, 465 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, but I think folks UH 466 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: folks with are certainly seeing plenty of TV ads. You know, 467 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: I think the Club for Growth has come in and 468 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: spent over three million dollars trying to buttress Mike Lee 469 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: from the right and attacking McMullan on a sort of 470 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: conservative bona fide days, and McMullan spending you know, a 471 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: couple of you know, two million dollars something like that, arguing, Hey, 472 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the independent voice in the Senate 473 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: UM And so, you know, I didn't see a ton 474 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: of campaign signs on the way into town yesterday, but 475 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: certainly if you turn on a TV it's hard to 476 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: miss the advertising. Enjoy the show tonight, come back and 477 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: see as soon. Zach Cullen Bloomberg Government reporting from Utah 478 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: on the Senate race out there. This is an interesting one, 479 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: uh and I'd love to just get some quick impressions 480 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: from the panel here, Jennie Schanzano, Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics Contributors. 481 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: If you're walking into an event like this, a debate 482 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: like this one tonight, Rick, how do you thread the 483 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: needle on? You know, look, if you're Mike Lee being 484 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: a good Republican but also appealing to undecided and Evan 485 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: McMullen as an independent, just defining that is difficult for people. Well, 486 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: I think it's really up to Evan tonight. I mean, 487 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: people know Mike Lee, right, he's a well established political 488 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: figure in the idea that you're going to change anybody's 489 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: mind about him is pretty limited. But Evan McMullen is 490 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: a bit of an oddball. You know, he's an independent 491 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: running in a decidedly you know, blue and red state, 492 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: and and he gets a chance tonight to say, you know, 493 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: how he feels about Joe Biden, how he feels about 494 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: inflation and what Joe Biden's done. You know, he gets 495 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about abortion, you know, and 496 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: try to finger his way through a pretty uh, pretty 497 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: conservative state. So it's really all about Evan McMullen in 498 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: my score book, Genie, how do you slice that one? 499 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: Knowing as Zack said, there's no Democrat in the race here, 500 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: so it kind of changes the strategy. Yeah, and you know, 501 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: I think I agree with Rick. It is up to 502 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: Evan McMullan to explain who he is and what he 503 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: can do. And I thought fascinating over the weekend he 504 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: was making the case that an election of an independent 505 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: voice like his and he said he won't caucus with 506 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: either party over six years. He said that that is 507 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: going to give this more power than they've ever had. 508 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: So to me, I thought he was making the case that, 509 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, much like unlike we have in the United States, 510 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: he's going to have more power outside the party, which 511 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: is an absolutely new argument to make. And if he 512 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: can do it, God bless him, it'll be duplicated if 513 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: if it works, Genie and Rick stand by as we 514 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: look towards what in the world happens next. In Georgia, 515 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: we had a little taste of the Herschel Raphael Warrntock 516 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: debate from Friday. There's a lot more ahead, I'm Joe Matthew. 517 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. That is a I pointed out the 518 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: fact that he claimed to be in law enforcement, to 519 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: be a police officer. One thing I have not done. 520 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: I've never pretended to be a police officer. And you 521 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: know what's so funny, I am wit minute police all letters. 522 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: And this response was to produce a fake that's a 523 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: bad that I was given by a police officer. And 524 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: I do have the bad. I cared with me all 525 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: the time. It's not it's a real bad. It's not 526 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: a fake bad. It is a real bad. That's badges 527 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: from uh this bad and I have badges all over 528 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: then all over Georgia. I ask you to put that 529 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: proper way where it's not a problem. This is real, 530 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: And he said, I have a problem. This is from 531 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: my hometown. This is from Johnson County, from the share 532 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: from Johnson County, which is a legit badge. Everyone can 533 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: make fun, but this bad you mean it right if 534 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: they let me finish. I've been very transparent about my life. He, 535 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: on the other hand, claimed to be a police officer. 536 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: He's not, even though he produced a badge on the 537 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: Friday night, claimed to work for the FBI clearly did 538 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 1: not if anything happened in this counter I have a 539 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: right to work with the police getting things done. It's 540 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: a real bad. It's not a fake bad. It is 541 00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: a real bad. But badge is legit, he says Herschell Walkers, 542 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: speaking again with NBC News, they got the cell phone, 543 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: answering to one of the more bizarre moments of the 544 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: mid term election cycle, his choice to flash a police 545 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: badge during his debate, or did he say it was 546 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: an FBI accident? Senator Rappael Warnock a regular tracknet and 547 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: so we must reassemble the panel. Rick Davis and Jeanie 548 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: Schanzano are our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors who knew 549 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: the full version there from is it Ray Anthony that 550 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: thinks swings man? Rick Davis, I don't know what you 551 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: would have told Raphael Warnock to do, because it almost 552 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: seemed like they felt the prop was coming here. He 553 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: pulls the back. You saw him, uh, quite a bit earlier, 554 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: reach into the jacket. He very slowly pulled out the badge, 555 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: and apparently he does say now in this interview he 556 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: carried it with him everywhere he goes He did not, however, 557 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: prove to us that it was an actual badge that 558 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: allowed him to arrest, give him arresting rights, that he 559 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: was in fact a trained police officers had been alleged 560 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: where are you on props at debates? Well, props are 561 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: always a controversial thing, uh, And I'd say that what 562 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: I noticed about this to it wasn't the prop itself, 563 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: because you kind of hoped and realized he was gonna 564 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: show the badge. He was gonna whip out that badge 565 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: at some point. But like the incredible reaction by the moderator, 566 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's, oh my god, over the top. People 567 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: will be talking about her for a long time. A 568 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: schoolmarm's got nothing on her. She was not going to 569 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: let him show his badge. And that became part of 570 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: this show. And and that's the unfortunate part about a 571 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of these debates, as the moderator kind of gets 572 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: in the way the message and and becomes the message. 573 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's the case here. Look, I mean, 574 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: every time he takes that badge out, he's talking about 575 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: how much he loves police, and that is a good 576 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: campaign tactic. And until somebody, you know, but in person ground, 577 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: it takes it away. Look, I mean, from what I 578 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: can tell, the conversation says he's had with interviews like today, Um, 579 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: he's not looking to you know, pretend to be a cop. 580 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: He's looking to help the cops anyway. Canon When the 581 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: Sheriff of Johnson County was asked about it, he says, yeah, 582 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: we we look forward to him being helpful to us 583 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: anytime he wants to be. So, like you know, he 584 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: he's got it. He's got it covered. He's not trying 585 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: to be a copy. He's a cop wanna be And 586 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: you know how many how many people sit around hopeful 587 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: that there are people who are willing to help the cops. 588 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: So I'm not explaining this away. It's a crazy thing 589 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: that happened, but like you know, it's probably crazy and 590 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: helpful to him. Right, I'm so crazy. I love cops. Uh. Look, 591 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: I guess did it help Elvis Pressley Genie? I'm not sure, 592 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: but I want to bring you back into the debate 593 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: this one moment because everyone got, you know, including myself, 594 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: distracted by the badge. Listen to what Senator Warnock actually says. Though, 595 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: it's not just that you you were a police officer, 596 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: there's war. Let me go back to the actual moment 597 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: in that debate. One thing I have not done. I've 598 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: never pretended to be a police officer about that, and 599 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: I've never I've never threatened a shootout with the police. 600 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: What how could nobody followed up on that, Genie that 601 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: was an a p story from last February that in 602 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: his past he in fact threatened a shootout with police. 603 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem to sort of coalesced with the rest 604 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: of the message here. Yeah, and you know, I think 605 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: the reason is just what you said prior, which is 606 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: people were distracted by the badge. And you know, I 607 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: was not surprised at all that he pulled that out 608 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: because he does not have a message. And as Raphael 609 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Warnock was talking about today more effectively than quite frankly 610 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Friday night, because I watched the debate, um he is 611 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: not a serious candidate for the US Senate. And when 612 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: you're not a serious candidate, you must distract by visuals, 613 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: And he did that fairly effectively for somebody in their debate, 614 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: because what is what do people think about? Then they're 615 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: thinking about an issue that helps Republicans crime. What aren't 616 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: they talking about you know, his issues with his children, 617 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: his paying for abortions, other issues involving abortion, his stance 618 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: on issues like insulin and prescription drugs and all of 619 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: those serious topics. So it did work effectively. Unfortunately, it 620 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: took over the debate. And you know, Raphael Warnut did 621 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: not perform at the debate to the level he probably 622 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: wishes he did. He did better on Sunday night. But 623 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: of course Walker wasn't there at the second debate, and 624 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: there was an empty chair last night. But I'll tell 625 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: you what. The The abortion issue did come up, of course, 626 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: and and let's let's just let this air out for 627 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: one second. Herschel Walker on abortion at the debate. I 628 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: believe in life, and I tell people this, Georgia is 629 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: a state that respects life, and I'll be a center 630 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: that protects life. And I said that was a lie, 631 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: and I'm not bagging down, referring of course, to this, uh, 632 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: this whole scandal in which he uh, he has been 633 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: denying that he encouraged and a former girlfriend and paid 634 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: for an abortion woman who apparently fathered or did actually 635 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: give birth to another child of his. But this came 636 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: up in this same NBC interview, Rick, I hate God, 637 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: do I have to do all this background every time? 638 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: It's brutal. NBC. She's got a picture of the check 639 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: and they talked this out. I have no idea what 640 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: the can before is that your it could be but 641 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether it's my singtu or not gone out. 642 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: We don't want any names. Yes that's my check. You 643 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't have a job, dude, you have a job. Any 644 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: questions whether she had a job at the time, So 645 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: we just the check has been acknowledged here Rick, whether 646 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: the motivation was there, idnore the timing or what he 647 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: knew the check was going for. But does this not 648 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: matter any longer. That's that would have been a huge 649 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: development a week ago. Yeah, I think it would have 650 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: been a huge development. It was a huge development a 651 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: week ago, you know, just off the information we had 652 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: in the denials that he gave and I was following 653 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: Genie on our analysis that you know, he's going to 654 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: use this prop and distract everybody until he then does 655 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: an interview and starts talking about abortion again. Like I mean, 656 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: like if he just shut up and go back to 657 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: Johnson County, let the sheriff lock him up for the 658 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: next three weeks he'll be a senator. I mean, like 659 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. You know that he has this desire 660 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: to try to nationalize the race beyond what it's already being. 661 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, why do you give a national interview for 662 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: a time when you're trying to run for senator and 663 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: try to localize the election. Look, I mean, he is 664 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: not a normal candidate for the United States Senate, and 665 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the experience. He's doing this by route. 666 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: Uh and Uh. I'm sure his advisors are making it 667 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: up as they go along, because they've got a unique 668 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: candidate who is really hard to manage. And and I 669 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: don't think this is the last we're gonna hear about him. 670 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: He'll probably change his tune on this issue a number 671 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: of times before now on election day. Uh And and 672 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: we're so polarized right now, especially in a state like 673 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Georgia where we've seen so many elections of such a 674 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: short period of time that um, I honestly don't know 675 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: if there's anything either of these candidates can do to 676 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,760 Speaker 1: really move a significant portion of the electric real clear 677 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: average still has warnock up by well, it's three point three. 678 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: We'll call it three. Just for safety's sake here, Jeannie, 679 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: can I ask to either of you guys have a 680 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: gut check on this race? Is this seat going to flip? Jennie, Well, 681 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: you know it. To Rick's point, I was so curious 682 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: as to why they're putting Walker out with these national interviews. 683 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: He had a better than expected debate. You think he 684 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: would go quietly into the good night and try to 685 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: ride the polls and not talk too much, and yet 686 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: they had him out in multiple national interviews, which some 687 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: people are reading as a sign that the internal polling 688 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: does not look good for him. You know, obviously he's 689 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: he's you know, behind, but just within a margin if 690 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: you look at real clear. So, you know, I think 691 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: the likelihood is Warnock is maybe able to hold this out, 692 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: but I do think we're going to see it going 693 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: to a runoff. Barack Obama is going to Georgia the 694 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: end of October to try to, you know, act as 695 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: the closer here for the senator. Rick, what's your thought? 696 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, look, that's a high stake scamble for the 697 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: Warnock campaign. I mean, they're entering a new dynamic into 698 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: the election that could mobilize Republican voters in a way 699 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,479 Speaker 1: that they aren't currently UM. And the fact that Donald 700 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: Trump is staying out of the state for a while, 701 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: you know, is giving you know, voters a chance to 702 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: sort of side with a Republican Canada if they're upset 703 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: with um, you know, the current president or the state 704 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: of the economy. So he's putting himself into a bit 705 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: of a vacuum. I think it's a bit of a risk. 706 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: The fact that Warnock is pulling a little ahead. Reality 707 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: is this is a dead heat. Nobody can sit on 708 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: this race. Uh. And the reality too is that um, 709 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, if if if Georgia votes the way the 710 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: national trends look, it's gonna vote strong at the end 711 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: of this election cycle, uh, for the Republican. And and 712 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: when you see Governor Kemp running so far ahead, he'll 713 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: drive the ballot, not the Senate race. And so if 714 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: a Republican votes for the governor and he's winning by 715 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: over fifty, is he really gonna then cross over and 716 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: vote for Warnuck. I don't think so. I think it's 717 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: going to well. I think they all usually just go 718 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: right down the line, right, I mean, and bullet voters 719 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: are not well known in Jordan's end. You're banking on 720 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: this thing, certainly. Walker is Rick Davis, g D. Schanzano. 721 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: Great talk as always. Tomorrow is the three week mark 722 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: and we are lucky to have the best panel in 723 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: the business to round the bend on this cycle. We've 724 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,240 Speaker 1: got a lot to learn still between now an election 725 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: night in November. We've got big plans for you that 726 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: night too. I'll meet you back here tomorrow. The fastest 727 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: hour in politics, This is Bloomberg.