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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Today we are talking about

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Bombing American Terror. It's a new Netflix documentary

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Speaker 1: coming out this Friday, April eighteenth. I have the director

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Speaker 1: Greg Tillman that I'll be talking to, and retired FBI

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Speaker 1: agent Walter Lamar, and I'll say right now, it did

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Speaker 1: get emotional, obviously with such a heavy topic. We are

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Speaker 1: approaching the thirtieth anniversary of this tragic event, and even

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Speaker 1: being so far out from it, it is still so

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Speaker 1: fresh to the people involved. So we'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: In the movie review, we talk about a new thriller

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Speaker 1: called Drop about air dropping gone wrong. And in the

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Speaker 1: trailer park we have a new look at Megan two

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Speaker 1: point zero coming out this summer, or should I say

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Speaker 1: sleighing this summer, because man, they're going full comical on

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Speaker 1: And now let's talk movies from the dust.

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Speaker 3: In cases movie make movie popas.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Bombing American Terror is a documentary coming out

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Speaker 1: on Netflix this Friday, April eighteenth. Depending on when you

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Speaker 1: listen to this episode in my rdb out, I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend it. I was a little bit too young to

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Speaker 1: remember these events, but I did grow up in Texas,

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Speaker 1: so being close to Oklahoma, I do remember stories from this.

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Speaker 1: But this documentary is a deep dive into April nineteenth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, when the bombing of the Federal building

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Speaker 1: went down in Oklahoma City, killing one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: eight people. It deals with their stories, It deals with

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Speaker 1: the aftermath, and into the manhunt and capture an overall

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Speaker 1: psyche of Timothy McVeigh, which I found incredibly chilling after

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Speaker 1: watching this documentary. And there are a lot of amazing

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Speaker 1: heroic stories that we'll talk about here in this interview.

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Speaker 1: One in particular that really moved me was Amy Downs,

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Speaker 1: who was working inside the building just the normal day

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Speaker 1: And one of those people who went in risked their

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Speaker 1: lives because they didn't know how stable the building was.

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Speaker 1: They didn't know if there was a second bomb inside

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Speaker 3: One of those.

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Speaker 1: People was Walter Lamar, who is now a retired FBI agent.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to wal but he was involved in the

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Speaker 1: aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing and it was his

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Speaker 1: heroic actions during the chaos and the aftermath of the

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Speaker 1: bombing that earned him the FBI Shield of Bravery. Joining

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Speaker 1: Walter will be the director of the documentary, Greg Tillman,

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Speaker 1: who did a fantastic job putting this story together. Is

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Speaker 1: minute by minute that includes actual audio interviews with Timothy McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: who was convicted and put to death for the bombing.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't really glorify him in any way.

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Speaker 1: But what I enjoyed it didn't spend the entire time

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Speaker 1: the terrible things that he did. Instead, I feel like

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Speaker 1: it really focused on the humanity and also just paid

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Speaker 1: a lot of respects to those who lost lives. The

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Speaker 1: a daycare inside the building, which they touch on, and

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Speaker 1: it's a very sensitive subject and those images are just heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: Even now, thirty years after the fact, it still hurts

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Speaker 1: me to watch. It's not glorifying anything in any way.

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Speaker 1: It is saying this is something that happened. There were

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Speaker 1: some really bad people involved, and the reason it's important

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Speaker 1: you to check it out when it comes out on

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Speaker 1: Netflix this Friday, April eighteenth. And right now, let's talk

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Speaker 1: to director Greg Tillman and retired FBI agent Walter Lamar.

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Speaker 3: Greg and Walter, it is awesome to get to talk

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Speaker 3: to you guys today.

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Speaker 2: How are y'all doing great? Thank you, I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Look forward to being here with you today.

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Speaker 1: Mike, I was completely moved by the documentary. And I

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Speaker 3: For me, watching this documentary was learning.

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Speaker 1: All the details in full, from beginning to end, and

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Speaker 3: So Greg, I'll start with you, why do you.

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Speaker 1: Think is so important right now, about thirty years after

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Speaker 6: The timing of this documentary is important, and it's an

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Speaker 6: important because of the messages that the documentary conveys. It's

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Speaker 6: a powerful graphic reminder of the consequence of hate. And

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Speaker 6: when you think about those that are consumed by hate,

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Speaker 6: they lose trust in everything. They have no trust in

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Speaker 6: I'm very mindful of that and paying attention to the

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Speaker 6: messages of this documentary that the consequence of hate, the

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Speaker 6: importance of having trust, right, But the more important message

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Speaker 6: is the power of coming together, and that you mentioned

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Speaker 6: having previewed the documentary, so you know exactly what I'm

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Speaker 6: throughout the documentary. I think Gregan has teamed it an

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Speaker 1: I think that is something I took away from watching

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Speaker 1: but it's so powerful in a way that it's not

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Speaker 1: the subject matter that I'm entertained by. It's the fact

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Speaker 1: That was really inspiring for me to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, it makes me happy, you know.

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Speaker 5: I think it's certainly a dramatic story, you know, and

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Speaker 5: there are thousands of ways you can tell the story

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Speaker 5: because unfortunately so many people were impacted by it, you know.

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Speaker 5: So our job was to find a handful of people

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Speaker 5: and we were really fortunate to do that. You know,

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Speaker 5: we found several people who were right in the heart

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Speaker 5: Was one of those guys, you know. And what's amazing

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Speaker 5: you could understand most people just running away from a

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Speaker 5: You know, but there's so many people in Oklahoma City

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Speaker 5: that day who did exactly the opposite. They turned around

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Speaker 5: There was a nurse, Rebecca Anderson, thirty seven year old woman,

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Speaker 5: the whole building was just in shambles that nobody knew

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Speaker 5: I who was going to fall over? You know, as

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Speaker 2: All these people kind.

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Speaker 5: Of discovered this hero inside them that they may not

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Speaker 5: And I found it really inspiring to hear all of

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Speaker 1: Well, can you talk about that, because in the documentary

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Speaker 1: take us back to that day of you watching it

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Speaker 6: There, you know, Mike, and you know, I'm sure that

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Speaker 6: you recognize that that folks like myself that were there

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Speaker 6: thought about it because when things like this, when we

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Speaker 6: we're human beings and now they're So those things are

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Speaker 6: Try to put them back here so you can continue

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Speaker 4: To do your job.

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Speaker 6: So being interviewed for the documentary, that box had to

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Speaker 6: So it was it was pretty tough. And even setting

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Speaker 6: But there was there was change and that and I

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Speaker 6: my life had been changed, just like all the rest

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Speaker 6: of the people that were there that day, every person

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you being so vulnerable there. I can

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Speaker 1: hear it in your voice, I can see it in

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Speaker 1: your face, and I think that was really what I

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Speaker 1: bravery you had that day. I can only imagine how

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Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you sharing that with me.

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Speaker 5: It's interesting because it's not just bravery back then, but

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Speaker 5: it's also the bravery that all the people that we

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Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, Mike, that's a damn good question what

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Speaker 6: I would probably most hoped to be remembered for. And

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Speaker 6: I wasn't always, you know. And I even thought about

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Speaker 6: this when I was thinking about the documentary. When I

443
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Speaker 6: left the house that morning, my kids were still asleep.

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Speaker 6: I came home, I was a different person. I didn't

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Speaker 6: get a chance to tell them again that I loved him.

446
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Speaker 6: And that's why I said that in the documentary that

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Speaker 6: I just when I was in there, I honestly goodness,

448
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Speaker 6: wasn't sure that I was going to come out, and

449
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Speaker 6: I just had this desire to be able to tell

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Speaker 6: my kids just one more time that I love them.

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Speaker 6: So what I would like to be remembered for, I'd

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Speaker 6: like to be remembered as a good dad and a

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Speaker 6: good pop up.

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Speaker 1: Greg, What do you hope after people watched this movie

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Speaker 1: comes out this Friday on Netflix, what do you hope

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Speaker 1: they take away from it?

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Speaker 5: Same thing that Walt said right at the beginning of this.

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Speaker 5: You know, like, no matter what your politics are, we

459
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Speaker 5: live in a very divisive world right now. You know,

460
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Speaker 5: everybody's screaming each other across the aisle, nobody's listening to

461
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Speaker 5: each other, nobody's compromising, And this is a great example

462
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Speaker 5: of what happens if that continues. You know, this guy

463
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Speaker 5: had decided, Timothy mcvah decided that the people who didn't

464
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Speaker 5: agree with him, that he didn't like were no longer

465
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be living, That there was value to have just

466
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Speaker 5: just killing people indiscriminately. And that's the kind of thing

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Speaker 5: that happens when people stop looking at each other and

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Speaker 5: considering their humanity. So I really hope that people think

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Speaker 5: about that being something that we shouldn't do going forward.

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Speaker 1: I think that is something I took away from watching.

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Speaker 1: It was even in the darkest times, you see people

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Speaker 1: coming together.

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Speaker 3: At times, it feels.

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Speaker 1: A little bit sad that you have to go through

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Speaker 1: something like this for people to really come together. But

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Speaker 1: I think it was seeing all the people helping all

477
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Speaker 1: the people who just didn't care about anything else of

478
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Speaker 1: just trying to save and rescue people. So I love

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Speaker 1: the documentary. I hope everybody sits down to watch it

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Speaker 1: and really takes all those messages in. I hope everybody

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Speaker 1: learns from all the stories. And I really appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time getting to talk to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Mike. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Well, Mike.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I too appreciate having the opportunity to visit

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Speaker 6: with you and your viewers.

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Speaker 3: Thank God so much. Let's get into it now.

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Speaker 1: A spoiler free movie review of Drop, starring Megan Fahi.

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Speaker 1: She plays a widowed mother has been out of the

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Speaker 1: dating game for a while, going on a first day

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Speaker 1: with this handsome dude she met on the apps. She

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Speaker 1: has a young son who she is really hesitant about

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Speaker 1: leaving at home, but she has a babysitter who also

494
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Speaker 1: happens to be your sister. Her sister is just encouraging

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Speaker 1: her to get back into the dating scene. She has

496
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Speaker 1: some trauma. She's working now as a therapist. You learn

497
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Speaker 1: a little bit about that from the beginning of the movie.

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to speak too much about the

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Speaker 1: plot points because I think there's a lot here that

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Speaker 1: you could spoil. But I'll strictly talk about the plot

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Speaker 1: a little bit from the trailer. Because she goes on

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Speaker 1: this date, meets this really handsome dude who is just

503
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Speaker 1: as nervous to go out with her as she is

504
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Speaker 1: with him. They sit down at the table and she

505
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Speaker 1: starts getting these air drops, which they change it to

506
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Speaker 1: digit drop because probably they don't have any kind of

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Speaker 1: relationship or partnership with Apple, even though they mentioned air

508
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Speaker 1: drop at some point. Maybe Apple has a weird thing

509
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Speaker 1: about the way their technology is used in films, which

510
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Speaker 1: there has been That theory floated around for a while

511
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Speaker 1: that the bad guy can never have an iPhone in

512
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Speaker 1: a movie, which.

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Speaker 3: I've always paid attention to.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes that hasn't proven to be true because I

515
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Speaker 1: always think, man, if that guy's the bad guy, he'll

516
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Speaker 1: he'll not have an iPhone, He'll have an Android or

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Speaker 1: just some made only for the.

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Speaker 3: Movie type phone.

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Speaker 1: But I've had that debunked a couple times, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know how entirely true that is, because some bad

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Speaker 1: guys have used iPhones. But what starts happening is she's

522
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Speaker 1: getting these digit drops. They start coming in so frequently,

523
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Speaker 1: her and her data trying to figure out who in

524
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Speaker 1: the restaurant could be sending them. They think it's just

525
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Speaker 1: a joke until things get a little bit more serious.

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Speaker 1: She opens one of the messages and it tells her

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Speaker 1: to check her security cameras, and she sees that somebody

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Speaker 1: has intruded into her house and they threatened to kill

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Speaker 1: her son and her babysitter, who is also her sister,

530
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Speaker 1: unless she kills her date, Henry, who is sitting right

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Speaker 1: across from her. The only thing is she can't tell

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Speaker 1: him anything. She can't alert anybody because if she does,

533
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Speaker 1: if she tries to run from the restaurant, if she

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Speaker 1: tries to send anybody a signal, they are going to

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Speaker 1: go through with it and take out her son and

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Speaker 1: her sister. So she starts getting more and more digit

537
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Speaker 1: drops as the movie goes along, and as the viewer,

538
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Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out who in this restaurant is

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Speaker 1: responsible because her and Henry before it escalates to this

540
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Speaker 1: point they're trying to decide who could it be because

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Speaker 1: they think it's a joke, and there's the theory that

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Speaker 1: you have to be fifty feet away, so he starts

543
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Speaker 1: walking around checking the perimeter, and the entire time she's

544
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Speaker 1: just scanning the restaurant for who could be on their

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Speaker 1: phone sending.

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Speaker 3: These digit drop messages to her.

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Speaker 1: And that is the fun part this movie, as if

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Speaker 1: you were trying to figure it out. And I didn't

549
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Speaker 1: know how intense it was gonna be, but I was

550
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Speaker 1: on highlert from the very beginning, thinking Okay, who is

551
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Speaker 1: she running into? Who is she talking to? So this

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Speaker 1: movie is highly entertaining. On paper, it's not the best movie.

553
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Speaker 1: It's dumb, it's ridiculous. The acting at times is pretty bad,

554
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Speaker 1: over the top and just a little bit wacky, even

555
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Speaker 1: for Blumhouse. So I'm not going into this movie expecting

556
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Speaker 1: it to be just the seller performance. I like the

557
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Speaker 1: fact that it is a thriller and not so much

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Speaker 1: a horror movie. Because Kelsey and I were able to

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Speaker 1: watch this movie together. I think maybe even she wanted

560
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Speaker 1: to see it a little bit more than me, so

561
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Speaker 1: she was all in. So if you watch the trailer

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Speaker 1: and thought, I don't know if this movie is gonna

563
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Speaker 1: be for me or not. That's an indicator for you

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Speaker 1: that it's not really a horror movie. It's more suspense.

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Speaker 1: There are some violence here and there, but it's nothing crazy.

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Speaker 1: But as far as Blumhouse movies go, which typically just

567
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Speaker 1: tend to be straight on horror movie, it is not

568
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Speaker 1: that they're trying to branch out a little bit. It's

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Speaker 1: also on the higher end of what they spend on

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Speaker 1: a movie. Typically, Blumhouse is known for spending about three

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Speaker 1: to five million dollars on a movie. Drop costs about

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars. In reference, Megan One cost about twelve

573
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Speaker 1: million dollars. So I feel like this is their higher

574
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Speaker 1: tier level of movie. So where they kind of cut

575
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Speaker 1: corners is usually they have a little bit of a

576
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Speaker 1: limited cast. In this case, it's a pretty limited set

577
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Speaker 1: takes place primarily in the restaurant, so you're saving money there.

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Speaker 1: The cast is pretty limited as well, and aside from

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Speaker 1: Megan Faihe and Brandon's glenar I think that's how you

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Speaker 1: say his name, that's really the top build cast in

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Speaker 1: this movie. So by not having a lot of people

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Speaker 1: by not having the biggest of names. What Blumhouse does

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Speaker 1: is create that spectacle, and they kind of sell that idea.

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Speaker 1: They sell that energy more like they would a roller

585
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Speaker 1: coaster than just a great piece of cinema, and I

586
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Speaker 1: think there is some value in that of just having

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Speaker 1: a good time. It's a type of movie that you

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Speaker 1: can go watch with a group of friends or go

589
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Speaker 1: on a day night, because I think it's enjoyable for

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Speaker 1: anybody who has that curious watching mind where you're trying

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. Can you get it from the beginning,

592
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Speaker 1: do you find out midpoint or will you be completely

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Speaker 1: surprised by the.

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Speaker 3: End of it.

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Speaker 1: So I think they're just that element of fun. I

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Speaker 1: also kind of notice it in the editing where this

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Speaker 1: movie has like this airy feeling to it, where at

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Speaker 1: times it kind of feels like a play, especially when

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Speaker 1: they first walk into the restaurant. The camera kind of

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Speaker 1: follows along Megan Fahy's character, it pans around. The movie

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Speaker 1: also had a little bit of humor here and there,

602
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Speaker 1: which I think is important to kind of break the

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Speaker 1: tension in a thriller like this, and the entire time

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Speaker 1: you're thinking what would I do in this situation, which

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Speaker 1: I think the easiest thing for everybody would to be

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Speaker 1: not open an air drop to begin with, because I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever accepted an air drop from a

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Speaker 1: contact I didn't know. I think even my settings the

609
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Speaker 1: way I have it is only people in my contexts

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Speaker 1: can send me an air drop. But again, for a

611
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: movie like this, you have to suspend disbelief and take

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Speaker 1: that ride, take that journey with these characters. And I

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Speaker 1: think overall this movie works. It set out what it

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Speaker 1: wanted to do. By the end of the movie, I

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Speaker 1: was entertained. So I think that's how I'm grading this

616
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Speaker 1: because I don't think I had the highest expectations after

617
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Speaker 1: watching this trailer, because I could kind of see the

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Speaker 1: parts that were to get really crazy and really elaborate,

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Speaker 1: and I think there are some moments that probably would

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Speaker 1: have benefited from a higher budget movie. There are some

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Speaker 1: more intense scenes where I think this movie was a

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Speaker 1: little bit limited. It almost felt like the visual effects

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Speaker 1: went back ten.

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Speaker 3: To fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: But again, they were able to sell that energy, they

626
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Speaker 1: were able to sell that ride that I was able

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Speaker 1: to look past that because for me, I kind of

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Speaker 1: surveyed the room a little bit and saw that everybody

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Speaker 1: was enjoying it. And with a movie like this, with

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Speaker 1: this kind of concept and this budget, I feel like

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Speaker 1: this is right there on that level of a couple

632
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Speaker 1: of bad decisions. This movie could have been a walk

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Speaker 1: out of the movie, because that is kind of that

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Speaker 1: line you walk when you have a lower budget movie

635
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Speaker 1: where the acting just really isn't resonating, and if you're

636
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Speaker 1: not fully into the the idea of having fun with

637
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Speaker 1: this movie, you're probably gonna have a bad time. And

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Speaker 1: I think for me, the biggest thing I took away

639
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Speaker 1: is I feel like Blumhouse is trying to diversify what

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Speaker 1: they are doing a little bit. They're trying to have

641
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Speaker 1: movies that still fit in with their horror genre, but

642
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Speaker 1: kind of branch out a little bit, because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey is not a horror fan whatsoever, but she enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this movie. And if they keep just doing the same

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Speaker 1: horror movie over and over again with that three to

646
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Speaker 1: five million dollar budget, just trying to strike gold, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna work, and I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be sustainable in the long run. I'm about to

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Speaker 1: talk about Megan two point zero in the Trailer Park.

650
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Speaker 1: If you're watching on YouTube, you gotta check out the

651
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: full podcast movie Mike's Movie Podcast. Hear me talk about

652
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Speaker 1: that kind of a Blumhouse theme we have going on here,

653
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Speaker 1: but they also have that level of movie where Megan

654
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Speaker 1: has really cut through into pop culture that probably now

655
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Speaker 1: is gonna be their flagship movie that in Five Nights

656
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Speaker 1: at Freddy's are big hits they've had, and I think

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Speaker 1: with the success of those two franchises is they can

658
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Speaker 1: take more risks on movies like Drop that have a

659
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: really great premise that are intriguing to me that I

660
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: just have to see how a movie like this would

661
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: play out, and I was pleasantly surprised. So is it

662
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Speaker 1: going to end up on my top favorite films of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five?

664
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Speaker 5: No?

665
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think about this movie in a week. Maybe debatable,

666
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: But what I encourage somebody who was seeking a mystery

667
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: thriller to go check it out in theaters?

668
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I would.

669
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Speaker 1: It did what it was supposed to, and sometimes that

670
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: is good enough for Drop. I give it three point

671
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: five out of five security cameras.

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Speaker 6: It's time to head down to movie Mike Traylor, Paul.

673
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the first Megan movie. After I left

674
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: the theater, I said to myself, well, there's a new franchise,

675
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: and it is so hard to create an iconic horror

676
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: franchise now.

677
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: But what made Megan stick out.

678
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: Were the comedic elements, Megan dancing, Megan singing alongest songs,

679
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: doing the Cus song. The movie became a meme, and

680
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: I love it when a movie can break through to

681
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: pop culture.

682
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: We need more of that right now.

683
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Speaker 1: So I enjoyed the horror element, not the horror, the

684
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Speaker 1: horror elements of the movie, and I also enjoyed the

685
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Speaker 1: comedic elements.

686
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: It really gave it a style.

687
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Speaker 1: Looking at the trailer now for Megan two point zero,

688
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: it looks like they're really cashing in on everything that

689
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: made that first one stick out. All the comedic elements

690
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: are ramped up. Megan is dancing more, Megan is using

691
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: more cursing and being very witty. Even the tagline of

692
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: this movie is that it's slaying June twenty seventh, so

693
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: obviously appealing to a younger audience, and I think that

694
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: is great. The problem I have now after watching this

695
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: trailer is it doesn't feel like a horror movie.

696
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: To me anymore.

697
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Speaker 1: There was that suspense and that tension in the first one,

698
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: which if you don't remember what happened in Megan one,

699
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: you have an eight year old named Katie. Her parents

700
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: die in a car wreck and she has to go

701
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: live with her aunt named Jemma. Jemma doesn't have kids

702
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: of her own, she doesn't really know how to talk

703
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: to Katie about what tragic event just happened in her life,

704
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: so instead she builds this AI robot named Megan, who

705
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: is designed to be the ultimate companion for kids, and

706
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: Katie is able to talk to Megan, open up to her,

707
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: and Megan is programmed to take care of Katie at

708
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: all costs, and she does it so well that anybody

709
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: who comes in contact with her, anybody who hurts Katie

710
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: in the slightest she ends up killing or finding a

711
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: way to ruin their life, most usually by ending their life.

712
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Speaker 1: And the reason I feel that this one is not

713
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Speaker 1: going to be that same type of horror movie anymore

714
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Speaker 1: is because one we already know that Megan is a killer,

715
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: and two, with all these comedic elements and other things

716
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: that they have going on, now, there's really going to

717
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: be no suspense to build up with it. You're already

718
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: living in that world. Now you have a new AI

719
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Speaker 1: robot named Amelia, who was created with the same technology

720
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Speaker 1: that was used to make Megan. Since Megan killed a

721
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: bunch of people, she has now placed in this cute,

722
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: cuddly little robot and they're not letting her out. So

723
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: I'll get into more of this, and before I do,

724
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: here's just a little bit of the Megan two point

725
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Speaker 1: zero trailer.

726
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 7: We have a problem for hunting an autonomous android named Amelia.

727
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 7: She was built using your design for Megan. Nothing in

728
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 7: our arsenal can stop her. She's gone rogue, killing anyone

729
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 7: who's contributed to her creation, and you and Katie are next.

730
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: I know how to stop Amelia.

731
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: She's getting more powerful soon should be the most dangerous

732
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: weapon on the Colonel.

733
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 6: Put me and a buddy and I'll help you stop her.

734
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 3: You remember what happened last time you threatened to went

735
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: out my tongue and put me in a wheelchair. I

736
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: was upset.

737
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: So what they have to do is rebuild a deranged

738
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: robot Megan in order to catch another one. It kind

739
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: of remind find me of an Logan. Whenever they have

740
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: to create x twenty four, who is a clone of Wolverine,

741
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: and he's a little bit younger, he's faster, he's stronger,

742
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: he's way more violent.

743
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: And the whole time you're.

744
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: Rooting for Logan, like, dude, beat him up, but with

745
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: that technology, he's like, you can't.

746
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: You regenerates faster.

747
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: This is kind of how I feel about Amelia and

748
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: Megan two point oh. Kind of also the same way

749
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: I felt about Shadow and Sonic the Hedgehog three.

750
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: You have somebody who is.

751
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Very similar but stronger in every way that makes the

752
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: original well the original, and you're gonna have probably a

753
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: really great.

754
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: Battle of Amelia overpowering her.

755
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Speaker 1: I have to assume at some point you think Megan

756
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: is gonna die and then somebody helps her out. I

757
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: can kind of see everything unraveling. But my biggest problem

758
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: with this is somehow and between Megan and Megan two

759
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: point zero, the visual effects got worse.

760
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: Megan looks worse, and I.

761
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: Think they're cutting co owners with Amelia to where she

762
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: doesn't even look like an AI robot.

763
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: She just looks like an actor.

764
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: And I find myself having a hard time grasping the

765
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: concept that Amelia is an AI robot like Megan. Maybe

766
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: they wanted to have her look more like a human,

767
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: but I really think to me, that looks like they're

768
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: just cutting corners and don't want to have two special

769
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: effects main characters to have to produce to make this movie, which.

770
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: Is really hard to do.

771
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: It's really expensive to do, and that's why not a

772
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: whole lot of movies have your main character be computer generated,

773
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: because it takes a lot of time and it takes

774
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I do think this is going

775
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: to fuel the fire on how people feel about AI

776
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: because you have a scene at the beginning of the

777
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: trailer where you.

778
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: See Amelia building herself.

779
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: You see these parts and this arm grab another arm,

780
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: and before you know it, she's a fully powered AI

781
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: robot and is killing humans. She snaps the guy's neck

782
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: at the beginning of this, and it kind of looks

783
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: like this movie is gonna go full on action movie.

784
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: Because whenever they finally agree to put Megan back into

785
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: her body, she wants to be faster, she wants to

786
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: be stronger. They make her taller, So Megan has now

787
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: aged from part one to part two, kind of like

788
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: Miles did and Across the Spider verse, which in this

789
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: movie they have no real reason to age our character here.

790
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: But maybe between one, two and three, Megan is going

791
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: to keep getting older and older, and if they go

792
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: the way of Child's Play, I assume at some point

793
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: Megan is gonna get even older and have an AI baby.

794
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's three, maybe that's four. Again, I do love Megan,

795
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: even though I have issues with this movie in particular,

796
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I do envision this as being a big franchise that

797
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: continues on and on and on, much like we had

798
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: our Child's Plays, much like we had our Halloweens. I

799
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: think you have a character here that people are resonating

800
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: with that is a lot of fun, and it looks

801
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: like this's gonna go a little bit too much fun.

802
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: But I think this is something now that not only

803
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: do we need in the horror genre, but just in

804
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: the movie going experience. Even seeing things like what is

805
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: happening at the Minecraft screenings over the last week, I

806
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: have conflicting feelings on that because I was there.

807
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: I experienced that.

808
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: I told you guys in that review, how rowdy the

809
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: theater was, how much of a passion there was in

810
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: the young fan base that is a Minecraft movie goers

811
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: but that TikTok man where it's that dude sitting on

812
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: his buddy's shoulders with a live chicken. First of all,

813
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: how did he get a live chicken into a movie theater.

814
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable bringing my own vegan snacks into a

815
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: movie theater, but this dude got an entire live chicken

816
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: into the theater. And again, we only see about ten

817
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: seconds of this. But could you imagine sitting in a

818
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: theater because the chicken jockey scene is probably an hour in,

819
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: maybe forty five fifty minutes in for the entire time

820
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: with the chicken underneath your seat.

821
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: That is wild to me.

822
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: And I'm conflicted because these screenings are causing chaos for

823
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: the movie theater workers. Leaving it a wreck is not cool.

824
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: Throwing around popcorn is not cool, bringing in a chicken

825
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: is not cool.

826
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: But I've seen.

827
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: Reports of lotion getting sprayed everywhere, rows of seats being

828
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: ripped out, and that's not cool.

829
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: But also I feel like.

830
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: Creating a live event like that is really important and

831
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: really impactful. And when movie theaters are wanting to bring

832
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: people back into the theater, this is an event. This

833
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: is a reason to go.

834
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 3: But it's like a.

835
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Live sporting event more than it is the movie going experience.

836
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you create rowdy screenings for movies like this, because

837
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: I think this is something that you want to capture,

838
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: this energy, especially with the younger audiences who are going

839
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: to see movies like Minecraft, We're going to see movies

840
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: like Megan two point h They don't want to be

841
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: old and crusty and scare these people away and have

842
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: them get arrested or escorted out by police.

843
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: Again, you don't want vandalism.

844
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: You don't want people, i would say, disrupting other people's experiences.

845
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: I know there's been some cases where there's been families

846
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: there just trying to have a regular night out, and

847
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you have these just flocks and flocks of people acting

848
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: completely bonkers in the theater. But for the most part,

849
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: in the screenings I've seen, primarily it's kind of a

850
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: calculated thing where it's all young people who essentially all

851
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: buy tickets to the same screening and do this. Now,

852
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: if I saw a bunch of footage of like families

853
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: sitting there and walking out or being disrupted the entire time,

854
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: to another filmgoers experience, which from what I've seen, it

855
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: looks like it's all teenagers in all these screenings that

856
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: are completely nuts, because I don't want to disrupt anybody

857
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: else from having a good time. The same way I

858
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: think you can't sing along as much as you want

859
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: to during Wicked one or Wicked two because some people

860
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: don't want that. But I maybe you create the rowdy

861
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: experience that feels more like a sporting event, because if

862
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: you can get that just from a scene about a

863
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: chicken jockey, and I think that is something that Megan

864
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: is also seeking out a little bit in this So

865
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: partly I am excited for that element of it, anything

866
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: that is mean worthy, anything that creates a moment. Although

867
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I do think this trailer is trying a little bit

868
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: too hard. The scene where Megan has the wing suit

869
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: and has essentially a mission impossible type stunt flying off

870
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: a mountain, it looks like it's going to go to

871
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: pretty extravagant links that to me right now doesn't feel

872
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: like why I enjoyed.

873
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: The first one.

874
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: So hopefully it doesn't go too wacky to where it

875
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: becomes too unenjoyable to me, because again, I thought the

876
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: horror elements were good in Megan one. The original director

877
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: is back, maybe That's the reason why this one feels

878
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more unhinged, because he wants to go

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Speaker 1: balls to the wall and really create something special here

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Speaker 1: with Megan. But man, I just can't look past how

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Speaker 1: bad Megan and Amelia look because usually the visual effects

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Speaker 1: get better from one to two. Amelia just looks too

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Speaker 1: much like a real person to me. But again, Megan

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Speaker 1: two point zero is slighing in theaters. June twenty seventh.

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Speaker 3: Head That was this week's edition of Movie b Framer Bar.

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Speaker 1: If that is gonna do it for another episode here

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, But before I go, I gotta give

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Speaker 1: my listener shout out of the week. We had an

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Speaker 1: interview last week with the guys from Hell of a Summer.

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Speaker 1: I gave out the secret emoji, which was the camping emoji.

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Speaker 1: First camping emoji I got was on X from Beanie

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Speaker 1: at ud Flyger eighty eight was the first one to

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Speaker 1: send me the camping emoji. So Beanie, you're this week's

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Speaker 1: listener shout out of the week. Thank you for listening

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Speaker 1: and thank you for commenting. We had another interview this

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Speaker 1: week and in order to honor the first responders, the

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, the victims, and survivors of the Oklahoma City bombing,

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Speaker 1: which we talked about in depth earlier. Let's just keep

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Speaker 1: it positive and use the American flag emoji. That feels

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Speaker 1: very representative of the unity and humanity that was found

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Speaker 1: in such a dark, tragic event, So comment with that,

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Speaker 1: socials are always in the episode notes. And until next time,

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Speaker 1: go out and watch good movies and I will talk

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Speaker 1: to you later.