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Speaker 1: All right, second hour Clay end Buck kicks off now

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Speaker 1: day after debate number one, And I say debate number one,

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Speaker 1: because as we speak to you, the Biden camp is

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Speaker 1: saying that Joe is looking forward to debate number two

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Speaker 1: and committed to showing the American people that he still

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Speaker 1: has his fastball. I guess I have to say this

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Speaker 1: out loud. I'm not sure he can lift up the ball,

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Speaker 1: but he says he has a fastball, so or or

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Speaker 1: wants us to believe that he does. There were also

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Speaker 1: some efforts last night as I was watching the post

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Speaker 1: post debate MSNBC panel the Best the best thing on

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Speaker 1: television last night by far uh that they they were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: other other presidents have had bad debates.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not that Joe Biden didn't nail it on policy.

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Speaker 1: It's not that Joe Biden. And of course, and he didn't.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he said a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: were very factually untrue. They keep saying Trump lies. And

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Speaker 1: when they say Trump lies, it's when he says things

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Speaker 1: like I'm amazing, you know, like that's not a lie,

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Speaker 1: it's just Trump's opinion. But they can actually fact check

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Speaker 1: a lot of the things Biden said about inflation, about jobs,

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Speaker 1: about just go down the list, all kinds of things

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Speaker 1: liess just not true. But that's not really the problem.

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Speaker 1: The problem is that Joe Biden visually and auditorially is

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You could hear whatever that word is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you could hear it auditory, auditory processing, auditor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, but you could see and hear that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is too old for this job. His age has reached

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Speaker 1: a point where it is no longer. And when I

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Speaker 1: say age, I mean the place in his life cycle

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Speaker 1: where he is. It's not just about the age number.

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Speaker 1: It's about how he has aged. It's obvious. You see

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Speaker 1: it visually, you see it. Okay, now you want to

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Speaker 1: talk Trump. Right on the other side of things, I

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Speaker 1: think Trump gave his best debate presentation we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's been.

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Speaker 1: The only thing you could say is in some of

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Speaker 1: the primaries in twenty sixteen where Trump was having to

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Speaker 1: just swat away seventeen or so different Republican contenders, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was incredible because he was so funny, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the stage just was all you know, the spotlight was

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Speaker 1: always on him. But in terms of against a Democrat

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Speaker 1: in a presidential debate, I don't think Trump's had a

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Speaker 1: better showing than he did.

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Speaker 2: He was calm, cool and collected. He yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there were some areas and we could talk

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Speaker 1: about this play where I think he had a bigger opening,

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Speaker 1: But it was really just a battle of presentations last night.

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Speaker 1: The presentation that Joe Biden has visually and in terms

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Speaker 1: of the sound that he makes when he speaks, he

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Speaker 1: just can't get away from it. And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, It's like you had two people in a

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Speaker 1: boxing match and one of them should have thrown in

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Speaker 1: the towel for injury. You know, he's he's you know,

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Speaker 1: got he's like a separated shoulder and that hasn't healed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he can't be doing this. But on the

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Speaker 1: other side of that, I think Trump was in his

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Like, yeah, I I so I

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Speaker 4: would give Trump a B plus. And I'm just trying

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Speaker 4: to be honest with all of you. I thought there

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Speaker 4: were a couple of hanging curves that Biden threw out

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Speaker 4: there that Trump should have put in the upper deck

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Speaker 4: that he didn't Charlottesville. If Trump were calling me and

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Speaker 4: asking for my feedback after the debate, it would be

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Speaker 4: explain more. Biden's still trying the very fine people. Why

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Speaker 4: Trump said, oh, that's a hoax, Russia, Russia, Russia. I

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Speaker 4: when you have whatever it is, seventy million people watching, yes,

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Speaker 4: you me Buck. Everybody out there, for the most part

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Speaker 4: listening to us, knows that the very fine people Charlottesville

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Speaker 4: hoax is real. But there are people out there, maybe

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Speaker 4: ten or twenty million of them that still believe that

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Speaker 4: to be true, maybe even more of that. When Biden

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Speaker 4: made that argument, I wanted Trump to connect it to

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Speaker 4: what's going on in the country right now. Joe, you

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Speaker 4: said you ran because of Charlottesville, just off the University

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Speaker 5: Well, right now, from the east to the.

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Speaker 4: West coast, from Columbia to Ucla, we've got anti Jewish protests.

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Speaker 4: That's because of you and your failed leadership. If you

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Speaker 4: ran to keep Charlottesville from happening, you should resign right

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Speaker 4: now because we have thousands of Charlottesville. And oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, I didn't say that Neo Nazis were very

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Speaker 4: fine people like you're lying about. Go check the evidence.

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Speaker 4: I said, there were very fine people who believed a

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Speaker 4: Roberty Lee statue should stay up, and there were very

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Speaker 4: fine people who believed it should come down. That's the

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Speaker 4: actual facts. I also thought that Trump went down the

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Speaker 4: rabbit hole with Biden a little bit when they were

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Speaker 4: arguing about what historians thought about their presidency. Historians have

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Speaker 4: no validity when it's the current day, Like why argue

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Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 1: This is a favorite thing that liberal TV show cable

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Speaker 1: news hosts like to do.

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Speaker 2: They go look, well.

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Speaker 1: To really explain our current moment, Like, let's bring up

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Speaker 1: somebody who wrote one of the five hundred biographies you

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Speaker 1: can currently buy on any of these presidents.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: In what world do I care what somebody who's writing

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Speaker 1: something has to say about the current political moment, just

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Speaker 1: based upon the fact that they're an author.

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Speaker 2: It's absurd. I mean, this is a thing that but

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Speaker 2: they think.

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Speaker 1: That it's a credential that elevates somebody so that they

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Speaker 1: have some special insight. I mean, I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: if you look at people that they're supposed to have

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Speaker 1: special insight because of their their knowledge and other errors

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Speaker 1: I think of what is it Neil Neil deGrasse Tyson,

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Speaker 1: for example, on you want him talking about astrophysics, You

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Speaker 1: don't want him talking about anything else, because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: more than you do, and in fact, often sounds kind

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Speaker 1: of like a buffoon when he talks about other things.

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Speaker 5: Correct.

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Speaker 4: And also, the reason why historians have the ability to

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Speaker 4: do what they do, and I say this as a

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Speaker 4: history nerd who majored in history and undergrad and thought

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Speaker 4: is because they have the benefit of time to contextualize

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Speaker 4: the present moment. That's what the job of a historian is.

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Speaker 4: So I thought Trump went down the rabbit hole on that.

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Speaker 4: Of course, the historians hate you. They're mostly left wingers.

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Speaker 4: One hundred years from now, we'll see what they say

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Speaker 4: about your presidency and we may still be arguing about it.

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Speaker 4: That's how history works. The other one that I thought

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Speaker 4: the fifty one intelligence agents a few times. I thought

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Speaker 4: that he could have gone back to that better. I

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Speaker 4: thought that he could have said, Joe, you lied to

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Speaker 4: the American public about the money that you took from China,

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Speaker 4: about the money that you took from Ukraine, and you

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Speaker 4: use the cover of fifty one intelligence agents who lied

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Speaker 4: about your son's lap, Like, tell them the story because

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Speaker 4: a lot of people still don't know those stories. That's

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Speaker 4: where That's why I give him a B plus. There

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Speaker 4: were also a moment really B plus. Yeah, oh, I

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Speaker 4: for Trump, I give him an A.

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Speaker 1: I thought, he I don't think you get I mean,

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Speaker 1: it can always be better, right, But to me, Trump

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Speaker 1: won by three to Trump by three touchdowns. Like theoretically

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Speaker 1: you could say no passes should have been dropped, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, he, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I feel like how much of Trump winning was Biden

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Speaker 4: fumbled every time he got the ball right like so

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Speaker 4: and created like Biden created so many errors and was

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Speaker 4: so awful. I think you have to put that on

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Speaker 4: one side. Biden gets an f like he was the

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Speaker 4: worst debate presidential performer of any of our lives. But

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Speaker 4: it really about his debate performance in the sense that

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Speaker 4: it's really just about that he's physically not able to

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 1: It's if you have a if you have two people

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Speaker 1: and one of them shows up limping because he has

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Speaker 1: it's like he can't do this, It's not ok yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right, but that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Like, so Trump would win the race, but the guy

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Speaker 4: who's running against is an invalid. That doesn't mean Trump

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Speaker 4: ran a perfect right now, No, I know, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you think that he he could have stepped

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Speaker 1: it up in a few ways. Yeah, of course it

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Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's possible for him? You know, he's

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Speaker 1: not about to start reciting Shakespeare for memory, like the

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Speaker 1: be good in a debate. But you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was His demeanor was really you and

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Speaker 1: go you know, Biden tried to pull out the switchblade

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Speaker 1: Trump was very, like I said, calm, cool and collected.

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Speaker 1: And and that's the thing those when when when Biden

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Speaker 1: of He's a compulsive liar. I think Biden is a

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Speaker 1: compulsive liar when he says he has a six handicap.

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Speaker 1: I don't golf, but my dad golf so much that

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Speaker 1: I know that Joe Biden does not have a six handy.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was one of the funniest parts Buck

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Speaker 4: because all of the things that Biden said, I think

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Speaker 4: the thing that Trump was most offended by what was

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Speaker 4: the sixth handicap.

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Speaker 5: Like if you watch his face.

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Speaker 4: He's like a golfer, and those of you out there

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Speaker 4: I also thought Biden seems not only old, even some

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Speaker 4: of his attack lines, like he when you know what

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Speaker 4: he said, like Donald Trump, you have the morals of

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Speaker 4: an alley cat. I'm sorry, I was watching it. The

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Speaker 4: phrase alley cat, to me sounds so ancient. It's like

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Speaker 4: something from a Mark Twain novel. It's even old for

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Speaker 4: old people to say, do you know what I'm talking?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: First, all, like, dude, where did we come up with

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Speaker 4: the idea that allikats are awful when it comes to morals?

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Speaker 5: It sounds so old?

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Speaker 1: I think Fisher king on X wrote that when Biden

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Speaker 1: was born, the Nazis were trying to encircle Stalingrad in

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Speaker 1: the Second World War.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Fuck, here's one that's gonna blow You're nineteen forty two, buck,

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Speaker 4: I'm about to blow your mind even more. Biden's birthday

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Speaker 4: is closer to Abraham Lincoln's assassination than it was to

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Speaker 4: his inauguration day. Think about how you want to talk

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. We've got Julie Kelly

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's also talk about what this does for Trump

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Speaker 5: Oh, she doesn't have any idea what she's talking about.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look his FORETN indictment against the president as

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Speaker 3: of now, and of course the immunity ruling on Monday.

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Speaker 3: It's in a very precarious condition because two of the

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Speaker 3: four counts relate directly to fifteen twelve C. Two. And

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Speaker 3: if the Supreme Court and it kicks it back to

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Speaker 3: the lower courts, and this is where Jacksmith's indictment is.

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Speaker 3: Judge Kanya Chuckkin, the DC District Court, and the burden

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Speaker 3: of proof has to demonstrate that his actions involved evidence tampering,

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Speaker 3: you know, destroying records or impairing any sort of document

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Speaker 3: for Jack Smith. Now what's money. He's already signaled that

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Speaker 3: he will use the so called stake election the electoral

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Speaker 3: certificates that people produced and sent in as to meet

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Speaker 3: the document or evidence impairment burden. Now how ridiculous? Does

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Speaker 3: that sound? Absurd? But that doesn't mean that Judge Chuckkin

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Speaker 3: isn't going to allow it. So we'll see what he

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Speaker 3: adds or how he's going to deal with this and

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Speaker 3: his existing incictment. Then, of course we have the immunity ruling,

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Speaker 3: which we know will come down on Monday, and this

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Speaker 3: will further complicate his efforts because what it looked like

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Speaker 3: during oral arguments was that the court would kick it

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Speaker 3: and say you have to look at the elements of

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Speaker 3: the indictment to determine which one fall under presidential authority,

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Speaker 3: which one fall under personal slash political conduct. That will

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Speaker 3: require another hearing, and jack Smith then will have to

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Speaker 3: address this fifteen twelve C two issue as well. So

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Speaker 3: this case is really on shaky ground. Doesn't mean Jacksmith

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Speaker 3: isn't going to figure out a way to make it work,

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Speaker 3: and he has judged time to Chuck Kin, who hates

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump and is an Obama appointee, has given dj

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Speaker 3: whatever they've wanted, so she will work hand in love

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Speaker 3: with him to try to salvage this indictment. But it's

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Speaker 3: going to be tough as it proceeds, you know, towards trial,

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Speaker 3: as it ever does.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So timing on this, do you think there's any

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Speaker 4: way that this case goes to a jury or even

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Speaker 4: starts the trial given the desperation, is it possible, like

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Speaker 4: you said, the community ruling coming down Monday, will be

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Speaker 4: through July fourth, about four months still the election. You've

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Speaker 4: been there for all that give us a sense on

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Speaker 4: timing from your perspective, right.

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Speaker 3: So let's say that they do exactly what I just

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Speaker 3: laid out for the immunity order on Monday. They kick

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Speaker 3: it back round to Judge chuck Kin. She will then

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Speaker 3: have to schedule some sort of hearing. I assume that

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Speaker 3: she will want to do it quickly, although she is

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Speaker 3: going to be running in you know, confrontation with what's

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Speaker 3: happening on July eleventh, President Trumps sentencing in New York.

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Speaker 3: The week after that is a convention. Judge chuck Kin

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Speaker 3: has said she doesn't care about politics, so I wouldn't

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Speaker 3: put her past it to put it past her to

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Speaker 3: schedule some sort of hearing that week. But let's say

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Speaker 3: she does that and it's delayed towards the end of July,

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Speaker 3: so this hearing would flash out what I just said.

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Speaker 3: Then she comes back with an order, might be quickly,

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Speaker 3: maybe two to four weeks, says here it is, but

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Speaker 3: then that has to go to the appellate court again. Right,

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Speaker 3: So timing wise, it does not look like they would

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Speaker 3: be able to pull off any sort of trial before

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Speaker 3: election day because of all the now legal hurdles, loophole

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Speaker 3: hurdles that the Supreme Court in this and that immunity

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Speaker 3: has created, Projectsmiths, Julie.

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Speaker 1: Given that this is now this summer before the election,

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Speaker 1: do you feel like the law of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have tried against Trump is it Do they

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Speaker 1: recognize it as a failure and they're thinking about other

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Speaker 1: options or are they just likely to become more desperate,

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Speaker 1: intensify and perhaps and this ties into July eleventh, incarcerrate Trump.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they are going to triple

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Speaker 3: and quadruple down. They are not recognizing how this lawfare

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Speaker 3: is backfiring working in Trump's favor. Furthermore, exposing the corruption

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Speaker 3: of the DOJ, which we just saw with the fifteen twelve, right,

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Speaker 3: and we probably will see with immunity. We are certainly

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Speaker 3: seeing that play out in southern Florida with Judge ad

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Speaker 3: and Cannon, where I'm following those proceedings in the courtroom

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Speaker 3: and all of the motions. We now know how slappy

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Speaker 3: and reckless and dangerous the rate of mar A Lago was.

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Speaker 3: They've mishandled evidence. So it's not just backfiring, you know,

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Speaker 3: people kind of encircling Trump and protecting him from this.

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Speaker 3: It's that's firing in a way where it's making the DOJ, FBI,

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Speaker 3: the judges look so much worse. So will they pull back, No,

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Speaker 3: will they incarcerate Donald Trump? Will judge Marshawn order prison

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Speaker 3: time for him on July eleventh? That would be tough,

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Speaker 3: But in tandem with what we saw last night, you

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Speaker 3: guys with Joe Biden, obviously they are going to get

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Speaker 3: more and more desperate. So we'll see what other tricks

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Speaker 3: they have up their sleep. Now again, you guys, we've

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Speaker 3: talked about this. Jack Smith can still bring a superseding

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Speaker 3: indictment against Donald Trump for seditious conspiracy, so that is

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Speaker 3: not now this would relate to the immunity decision as well,

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that Jack Smith cannot bring more

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Speaker 3: charges against him even if he ends up dropping the

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Speaker 3: fifteen twelve C two. Don't put anything past these people,

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Speaker 3: including the judges, So we could be in for some

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Speaker 3: real shocking surprises in lost their effort over the next

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Speaker 3: few months as they get I agree.

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Speaker 1: With Julie's maxim there do not anything that is possible.

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Speaker 1: They will do if they think it will help bid

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Speaker 1: and play.

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Speaker 4: Julie, last quick question for you, and I agree with

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Speaker 4: Buck there. I think things have gone so awry for

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Speaker 4: them and they're, you know, now scrambling because they're significantly behind.

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Speaker 4: Amy Cony Barrett wrote the descent here and Katanji Brown

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Speaker 4: Jackson signed on to the majority. How much would you

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Speaker 4: have bet against that? I mean, because I'm still kind

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Speaker 4: of floored by just the procedural posture here of the

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Speaker 4: six three, I think I've been six to three Amy

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Speaker 4: Cony Barrett with the majority. What in the world happened there?

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Speaker 3: You guys when I was reading the and of course,

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Speaker 3: as you know, I've been waiting for well, I've been

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Speaker 3: waiting for three years, but really the past three weeks

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Speaker 3: for this, I had to reread the justices who were

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Speaker 3: in concurrence and then descent because they couldn't wrap my

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Speaker 3: mind around that Kaitanji Brown Jackson was on the majority

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Speaker 3: side and emy Coney Barrett was the dissenting with Kagan

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Speaker 3: and Soda Mayor. But that was the fact. Even worse,

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Speaker 3: you guys, is her descent. It was childish, It was

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Speaker 3: so basic, it was clearly political. She actually said Congress

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Speaker 3: could never have envisioned something like January sixth happening, so

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Speaker 3: they would not have even thought that this statue could apply.

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Speaker 3: But of course it does. This is her line of thinking.

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Speaker 3: What a profound disappointment she has been on this court.

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Speaker 3: She's also had some really crazy votes in the past

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Speaker 3: few weeks. And you know, what, can you say we're

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Speaker 3: stuck with her now? But she is.

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Speaker 4: She just tried too hard. Do you think that's what

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Speaker 4: this is to show? Oh, you can't pay a pigeonhole

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Speaker 4: me in like it's so strange to.

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Speaker 3: Me, it is, but it could be. But this is

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Speaker 3: such a no brainer, I know. I mean when you

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Speaker 3: have the majority, including the Chief Justice who wrote the

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Speaker 3: opinion today, so this was how serious this was. And

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Speaker 3: you have Amy Coney Barrett siding with Sonya Soto Mayor,

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Speaker 3: who is a dunce, I mean oral, she writes, she

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Speaker 3: is an she's half literate. Yes, she is defending, you know,

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Speaker 3: protecting these two liberals and just giving the most overbroad

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Speaker 3: and really, as I said, not impressive defense of her

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Speaker 3: descent here, very extremely disappointing.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'll tell you Julie. A friend of

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Speaker 1: mine in conservative legal circle says that he believes Amy

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Speaker 1: Coney Barrett is just trying to impress the people who

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Speaker 1: went to law schools that she couldn't get into.

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Speaker 2: It's a shot at Notre Dame. But I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: that's what's me.

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Speaker 3: I'm always here for Notre Dame.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't try to upset our South Bend listeners.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's what I was.

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Speaker 4: Who is your team?

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Speaker 5: By the way, Julie, who I mean, who do you?

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Speaker 5: How do you hate Notre Dame?

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Speaker 3: Because I'm in suburban Chicago and then domers are the

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Speaker 3: most obnoxious. I love many of them, I'm friends with them,

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Speaker 3: but when it comes to Notre Dame, Dear God, that's funny.

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Speaker 3: Please give it or I went to Eastern Illinois. I

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Speaker 3: don't even know if they have a football team anymore.

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Speaker 3: I don't care. But anyway, shout out to the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Well, Julie, stay in the fight.

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Speaker 1: We're going to need to talk to you more as

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Speaker 1: this keeps going and I guess we can at least

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Speaker 1: enjoy a good day today, so a good weekend ahead,

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Speaker 4: And I hope a lot of you saw that video

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Speaker 4: post debate where Biden she had to take his hand

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Speaker 4: Listen to how she talks to Joe like he is

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Speaker 4: a little kid.

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Speaker 1: Listen, joh, you did such a great job.

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Speaker 3: You answered every question.

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Speaker 4: You know all that.

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Speaker 5: If heavy asked the crowd, what did Trump do? Yes,

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Speaker 5: I mean she is evil, and I think it's worth

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Speaker 5: having a conversation. I buck. I've told my wife this.

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Speaker 5: I have said I have a public job.

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Speaker 4: If you ever start to see that I am losing

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Speaker 4: it even more than normal, some of you out there

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Speaker 4: might say that I've been losing it for some time.

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Speaker 4: You got to tell me because I don't want to

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Speaker 4: be going out and being a shell of myself like

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Speaker 4: the spouse forty years out from that though, so it's

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Speaker 4: a little a little early for that conversation.

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Speaker 5: I get it, but it's brought on by the Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden thing.

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Speaker 4: She isn't willing to do what should have happened, which

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Speaker 4: is say you can't do this anymore?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you?

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes with like the TikTok and the things

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Speaker 1: that the youth are doing, I'm like, I feel a

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Speaker 1: little bit old.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm in my mid or early mid forties now, but

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Speaker 1: after Joe Biden's performance last night, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm still a spry young guy. I'm a spreep chicken.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of pepp in my staff. Like

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Speaker 2: that dude, is that dude is old? I'm fine, So

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Speaker 2: at least I got that going for me.

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Speaker 4: Man, you don't want to be the guy who's asked

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Speaker 4: to throw a fastball when you can't even lift your

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Speaker 4: arm above your shoulder at all.

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Speaker 5: That's not a good situation to be in. We'll continue

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Speaker 5: to break this down in more for you final hour

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Speaker 5: of the week.

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Speaker 3: Ex