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Speaker 1: B Loka. Tora Radio is a radiophonic novella.

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Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm diosa m and I am Mala Munjos. Lokatra Radio

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Speaker 1: is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us Mala and Viosa.

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Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism,

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Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through

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Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives.

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Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit

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Speaker 1: and Las Borgass Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community.

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Speaker 2: Bartoo el Mundo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to season eight.

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Speaker 2: Are you listening.

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Speaker 1: O La La Loka Motives. Welcome to Season eight of

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Speaker 1: lok Atra Radio. I'm Viosa and I Am Mala. You're

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Speaker 1: tuning in to Capitolo one ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Last time on look at Tora Radio, we interviewed the

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Speaker 2: one and Only Curly and Maya of the Super Secret

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Speaker 2: Bestie club, go back, listen to that episode, subscribe to

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Speaker 2: look at what our radio, leave a review, and share

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Speaker 2: with a friend.

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Speaker 1: Amazing. So we have a lot in store today. This

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Speaker 1: is our last episode of the season, so we're just

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Speaker 1: gonna start off by just checking in, Mala, How are you.

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Speaker 1: You've been busy per usual?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm good. I've been busy. This past weekend. I

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Speaker 2: was at SF Sketch Fest, which was so fun. I

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Speaker 2: so I was just really thrilled to have gotten in.

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Speaker 2: I performed a set at the Brava Theater in the

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Speaker 2: Brava Cabaret, which is like their small room, and then

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Speaker 2: I performed with the Lost Church, which was a really

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Speaker 2: great first comedy festival experience. It is also week three

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Speaker 2: like scoping out the competition, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: like really seeing who's stacking up and who's not. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be that mean girl in class. I'm kidding,

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Speaker 2: I'm being nice, I promise. What else? Okay, So I'm

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Speaker 2: back in my acting bag, which I'm so excited about.

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Speaker 2: So like last year, before the Holidays, I went to

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Speaker 2: a show called Single Writers Only at Genghis Cohen Maya

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Speaker 2: Murillo again of Super Secret Besties Club. She was their

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Speaker 2: killed it. It was so fun. Helen Fernandez, who's like

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Speaker 2: So at the time, like by the time this episode

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Speaker 2: I am not off book. I have three days to

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Speaker 2: The cast is really sick, like everyone in the sketches,

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Speaker 2: I've been kind of keeping my improv like acting sort

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling good. How about you? You were just in

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be an athlete for real, really why not?

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Speaker 2: you're right. Yeah, it's a different it's a totally different lifestyle.

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Speaker 2: It's going by so fast. Yeah, it's wild.

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Speaker 2: We laid down vocals.

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Speaker 2: She gave us the Billie Eilish treatment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. How do you feel now that season

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost you all are probably keeping up. Oscar

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Speaker 2: season is upon us. It's here and another big deal

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Speaker 2: you know. So there are some really fun, exciting nominations

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Speaker 2: for an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress for Barbie Yes,

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Speaker 2: which is amazing because Greta Gerwig was snubbed and didn't

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Speaker 2: get an OSCAR nomination for Barbie, neither did Margot Robbie, right,

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Speaker 2: but our girl America did, so we're happy over here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no complaints, no complaints, no complaints. I mean I

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Speaker 2: So maybe technically got a nomination, right Visa vi Amedia. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and she deserves it. Go listen to our America episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we have a full episode, a retrospective of her

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Speaker 1: It's one of our favorites called We Love America.

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Speaker 2: Hell Yeah. And I just want to say, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just public media. I mean there's a there is

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Speaker 1: public media, but not but there's also private media. As

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Speaker 1: you're saying, the.

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Speaker 2: La Times is privately owned, you know, and by like

433
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Speaker 2: one person, and that's problematic. Yeah, but are clearly very problematic.

434
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know what the solution is, right,

435
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Speaker 2: but the system that we have created is not stable.

436
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Speaker 2: And I don't know every apocalyptic film I've ever seen.

437
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Speaker 2: You know, when news media is run into the ground

438
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Speaker 2: and is in flames, that's never a good thing. No,

439
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Speaker 2: that's a bad sign.

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Speaker 1: I mean democracy is already hanging on by a thread. Yes,

441
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Speaker 1: you know, we're about to see former president Trump, you know,

442
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Speaker 1: probably be on the ballot for the second time. We're

443
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Speaker 1: going to see Biden versus Trump two point zero, Like,

444
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Speaker 1: that's the likelihood of it. And so to see then

445
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Speaker 1: democracy and jurntalism hanging on by a thread, it's scary.

446
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Speaker 1: We are in late stage, late stage capitalism. Yeah, it's apocalyptic. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: it's not like future apocalypse. It's like, no, it's apocalyptic.

448
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Speaker 2: Now, it's unfolding, it's current. We're in the middle of it.

449
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Speaker 2: I always try and remind myself, you know, so it's

450
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Speaker 2: not as as to fearmonger, you know, not to be like,

451
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Speaker 2: oh my god, doom and gloom. But it's like, I

452
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Speaker 2: just feel like, in the history of the world, been

453
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Speaker 2: so many horrible things that have happened that at the

454
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Speaker 2: time probably felt like apocalypse.

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Speaker 1: Right, Oh, totally.

456
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Speaker 2: We literally dropped nuclear bombs, you know, on Japan, and

457
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that had to have felt like end of days.

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Speaker 2: You know, the world continues, life goes on, So I

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Speaker 2: try and keep that in mind. Yes, like bad things happen,

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Speaker 2: and somehow we still we persevere.

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Speaker 1: The resilience of the human spirit. Honestly, God, yeah, I

462
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Speaker 1: mean not to be cheesy, but that's the reality.

463
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Speaker 2: That's what we're dealing with here's and it's just it's

464
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Speaker 2: all about the friends that we made along the way. Ultimately,

465
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Speaker 2: as long as we're making friends and having fun, well,

466
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Speaker 2: I gus what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: I also want to shout out, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the journalists, the only Latina opinion columnists at the La

469
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Speaker 1: Times that was unfortunately laid off, Jinirido. She helped us

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Speaker 1: unpack the the polarizing comments and polarizing stamp since we

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Speaker 1: were seeing on social media when the Israel Palestine crisis

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Speaker 1: first unfolded post October seventh. We know, obviously it's been

473
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Speaker 1: decades long, but she did help us unpack some of that.

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Speaker 1: And so because our season is coming to the end

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Speaker 1: and we won't be able to do any more coverage

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Speaker 1: from now until April, we did want to share that,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the time of this recording, it's still

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Speaker 1: very much and will always be free Palestine, and PBS

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Speaker 1: reported that as of now, the Palestinian death toll has

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Speaker 1: reached twenty five thousand. There are a couple journalists that

481
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Speaker 1: have evacuated Gaza, you know, have been there for one

482
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Speaker 1: hundred plus days and now feel they can no longer

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Speaker 1: safely report and have decided to evacuate, which means that

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Speaker 1: one there's less eyes on the ground, and two the

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Speaker 1: likelihood of them being able to then return to Gaza

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Speaker 1: is very unlikely. And so just wanted to state that

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Speaker 1: and remind y'all that if you haven't listened to our

488
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Speaker 1: previous episodes about the Palestinian crisis and our coverage on it,

489
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Speaker 1: we have three episodes, one which it Jean Guerrero, the

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Speaker 1: other about Latin American and Palestinian solidarity, and Lauren Medina

491
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Speaker 1: talks to us about as a Palestinian Colombian woman about

492
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Speaker 1: solidarity and how to be active and how to join

493
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Speaker 1: local actions and calling your reps and all of that.

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Speaker 2: So on today's episode, the gardener of today's episode, we

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Speaker 2: are bringing back a very original og topic that we

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Speaker 2: discussed on Loca many many eons ago. That is the

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Speaker 2: concept that we actually coined alongside a past locat our

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Speaker 2: radio guest, and the term is ethical cheese me. So

499
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Speaker 2: you've probably heard us talk about ethical cheesema on the podcast.

500
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Speaker 2: There's a whole episode around it, and we recorded said

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Speaker 2: episode in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we've been podcasting that long. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know we've we've do it, and we've done it

504
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Speaker 1: and we talk about how we've been doing it for

505
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: so long, but seeing it in that way, it was

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Speaker 1: literally episode ten, y'all like wi, and we celebrated a

507
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: mini milestone on that episode because it was episode ten,

508
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Speaker 1: and we invited Ruben, who's formerly known as Cruciicano cheese

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Speaker 1: Me on to look I thought our radio to discuss

510
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Speaker 1: cheesemy and while we were recording, the three of us

511
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Speaker 1: coined this term ethical cheese may and made the distinctions

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Speaker 1: between being a methiche being you know, a cheez moosa,

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Speaker 1: she's mosse sure, and then being like an ethical cheez mosa,

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Speaker 1: che's mosso, yeah, what have you?

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Speaker 2: And this episode, if you go back and listen to

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Speaker 2: the episode, we talk about this. But we recorded this

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Speaker 2: episode three times because the first two times it just

518
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Speaker 2: didn't record.

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Speaker 1: We're a baby producer. Yeah, weren't even calling ourselves producer.

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00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Then no, it's just like we have a podcast. Yeah,

521
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Speaker 2: we're making a podcast. Rubin was very frustrating with us,

522
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Speaker 2: to say the least. Well, we got it done, and

523
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Speaker 2: that third episode was the best episode because we had

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Speaker 2: this opportunity over three recordings to develop this concept and

525
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Speaker 2: this idea which we now have been calling ethical cheese me.

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Speaker 2: So we were like making a distinction between a cheese

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Speaker 2: mosa and a methiche, right right, Like a cheez mosa

528
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Speaker 2: is a little bit innocuous, kind of harmless. It's a person,

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Speaker 2: usually a woman, a femme, who is gossiping or as

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Speaker 2: we like to call it, just sharing information, Yes, just

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Speaker 2: sharing information and spreading knowledge. And then a metthiche is

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Speaker 2: something else. It's somebody who is like sticking their nose

533
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Speaker 2: where it doesn't belong, is overhearing somebody else's conversation. We

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Speaker 2: likened the federal government to being a metthicha like tapping

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Speaker 2: phones and listening to our conversations and reading our mail

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Speaker 2: and all kinds of things. Right, So like methiche kind

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Speaker 2: of being about surveillance. Yes, so then we said, there's

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Speaker 2: this third thing, which is an ethical cheese man, and

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Speaker 2: we give examples of like what that could look like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one example we gave was like safety planning. You know,

541
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Speaker 1: if you know someone in your community is maybe a

542
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Speaker 1: predator or engaging in violent behavior, you share that information

543
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: with the people around you, right, And that's an example

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Speaker 1: of ethical cheatment. You're not like gossip being per se,

545
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Speaker 1: but it's a knowledge share. It's keeping each other safe,

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Speaker 1: it's keeping your community safe. And we talked about the

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Speaker 1: different ways women, fems, queer folks have used cheesement ethical

548
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Speaker 1: cheatment as a praxis.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think since then, like now when I

550
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Speaker 2: think of this concept, and I've been kind of reflecting

551
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Speaker 2: on this, and I think, actually, when I engage in

552
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Speaker 2: something that might be considered ethical cheesement, I feel like

553
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Speaker 2: more often than not, it's about like good things, yes,

554
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: like oh hey, like here's a resource, Yeah, here's a program,

555
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: here's an opportunity, here's a person to connect with, here's

556
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Speaker 2: something to try. Like it's I think on TikTok, what

557
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: people will I'm not gatekeeping, no gatekeeping, here's how I

558
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Speaker 2: do it, right, I think another way to look at

559
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Speaker 2: that would be like, this is a type of ethical cheesement.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm giving you the low, I'm giving you

561
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Speaker 2: the skinny, I'm giving you the four one one. It

562
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Speaker 2: can also be kind of a resource share.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. And I think at the at

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Speaker 1: the time, you know, twenty seventeen, you know, we're on

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Speaker 1: the very beginning of the Me too movement. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about survivors centered things, so we were I think

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Speaker 1: at that time, framing it as this safety planning. Right now,

568
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Speaker 1: seven years later, you know, we can see like, oh,

569
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Speaker 1: it's also resource sharing. It's also apply for this grant.

570
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Speaker 1: Look at this job. These people treat their workers really well. Yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: work here, you know, And so it's it's that And.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, the idea has evolved for us, and

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Speaker 2: it ties in too because I think one of the

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Speaker 2: best ways for for women to be safe is to

575
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Speaker 2: have resources. And so sometimes safety it's not so much

576
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: always getting away from a bad thing. It's often building

577
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Speaker 2: our foundations and assuring that we have our needs taken

578
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Speaker 2: care of so that we're not susceptible in different ways. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I think like it's just a different

580
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Speaker 2: approach to the same idea. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we in a way stepped back

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Speaker 1: from talking about cheese meat because there were at the

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Speaker 1: time in the digital landscape in twenty seventeen, not that

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Speaker 1: many people were doing it. Now there's like a ton

585
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Speaker 1: of articles about you know, I saw one in Glamour.

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Speaker 1: Cheesemaus isn't just salon chair gossip. It's an act of

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Speaker 1: solidarity Refinery twenty nine. Cheese meut is, you know, has

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Speaker 1: a purpose, has a meaning, right, and there have been

589
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Speaker 1: scholars and writers that have written about cheese miss. So

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Speaker 1: I think whenever we start to see that something that

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Speaker 1: we talk about like a lot of traction, we like

592
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Speaker 1: to move on to something new because other people are

593
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Speaker 1: doing it too.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: But given that this is a podcast and we share

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Speaker 1: lots of knowledge and resources and everything, like or we're

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Speaker 1: going to bring back ethical cheesement for to wrap up

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Speaker 1: season eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a reminder we have the timestamp, honey,

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen. Go back to your research. We were the

601
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Speaker 2: first ones. The term did not exist on the internet

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Speaker 2: before our episode, right.

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Speaker 1: At least not as ethical chreestment. And what you know,

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Speaker 1: when I'm prepping for this episode, there was a scholar

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Speaker 1: that was interviewed and she used ethical cheestement as a

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Speaker 1: way to talk about her grad school experience, and in

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Speaker 1: her interview, I was reading the transcript at least she says, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I first heard this on look at Ora Radio Boom

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Speaker 1: back in twenty seventeen, and it was they used ethical cheatment.

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Speaker 1: That was the first time I heard it. And that's

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Speaker 1: not the first time we've been cited and scholarly works,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously it's so exciting for me. I nerd

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Speaker 1: out on that.

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Speaker 2: It's happened many times. Actually at this we're in a

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Speaker 2: number of thesis papers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think it's exciting, you know, and we

617
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Speaker 1: like you know, also want to give us our own flowers,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, yeah, we've been talking about this

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Speaker 1: for a long time, and we have more examples that

620
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Speaker 1: we're going to share today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, these are just facts. The other term that we

622
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Speaker 2: coined literally episode number one is loka epistemologies, yes, which

623
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Speaker 2: has also been written about in an academic paper, which

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Speaker 2: in a dissertation, and a dissertation no less that is

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Speaker 2: on its way to maybe one day becoming a book.

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Speaker 2: So this is also why we talk about this because

627
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Speaker 2: we're inventing terminology, you know, and once it's published, we

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Speaker 2: have the copyright as a reminder. Once it's out there,

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Speaker 2: there's a timestep, there's a copyright. Happy to share.

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Speaker 1: Cite your sources.

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Speaker 3: Just know.

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Speaker 1: There's anything you've learned at LOKAA Radio, it's to always

633
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Speaker 1: cite your sources. Yeah, and give people their due.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we are owed. We are well.

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Speaker 1: I think, like one, you know, I don't want to

636
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Speaker 1: get too into the weeds about like my own family

637
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: history or cheese meat, but I think when thinking about

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Speaker 1: oral histories and our families, oral histories, you know, that

639
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Speaker 1: can also be considered cheese meent, like, I heard a

640
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Speaker 1: story from my mom the other day about a one

641
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: of her cousins that did something really awful to his father, right, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so again I'm not getting into the weeds about

643
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: my family history and drama, right, but it did remind

644
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: me of this of this, like, oh, like this isn't

645
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,720
Speaker 1: this is an example of oral history of family history.

646
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: And it's not like the positive kind, you know, it's

647
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: not like, oh, you know, we immigrated here and so

648
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: and so helped us and they gave us a room

649
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: to stay while we like got on our feet. It's like, oh, no,

650
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: this person did something really bad to their father, and

651
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: then they were kind of ostracized from the family because like,

652
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: why would you do that to your father?

653
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: Right, I'll tell you off the rec But I think

654
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: like that is another another way that we can think

655
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: about ethical treatment and oral history is like, sometimes there

656
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: are bad people in our families, and sometimes they're not

657
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: actually removed when they should be removed.

658
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: But the nos we know, like this person is not

659
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: someone you want to be around, and so I can

660
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: make the choice to not be around them. This kind

661
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: of ties into like latinx estrangement what she was saying,

662
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: We can choose who we want to be around and

663
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: who we don't want to be around. And I think

664
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: that that is another way that we keep each other

665
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: safe even within our families, is by sharing, like, oh,

666
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: so and so is an unsafe person, or so and

667
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: soul stole money from this person, so don't let them

668
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: money you will back, right, And so it's like even

669
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: in our little you know, ecosystems of family like keeping

670
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: each other safe from the families sometimes and the only

671
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: way to like really know is through that oral history, right,

672
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: Because it's not going to be written down. It's the cheesement.

673
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: It's the family cheesement, right.

674
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean there have been also Okay, so a few

675
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: years ago this article came out and I want to

676
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: say it was in the La Times. But there was

677
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: this English teacher who got hired at my high school.

678
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: I had already been graduated several years ou already, but

679
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: this English teacher had been hired at my high school.

680
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: And then there was like some weird behavior with this guy,

681
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: kind of being like too friendly and cosying up to

682
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: the girls, of course, and then come to find that

683
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: this guy, this teacher had worked at another like school,

684
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: but it was a girls' school and had a history

685
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: of forming inappropriate like emotional relationships with his female students. Now,

686
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: one of the issues with things like background checks is

687
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: a background check is going to only pick up certain things, right,

688
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: like if you have been arrested sometimes depending on the

689
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: type of background check, if there's an arrest record, or

690
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: if you've actually been convicted of something. And the number

691
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: of predators who are actually convicted is very, very very tiny,

692
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: so most predators are going to pass a background check, yes,

693
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: And a guy like that, with that type of behavior

694
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily cross into criminality is not going to

695
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: raise red flags through a background check.

696
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: I also had that conversation with a journalist friend of

697
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: mine too, because they were talking about Title nine and

698
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: how in some cases Title nine just stays at the

699
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: university level and because it's closed and private, if there's

700
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: not like a there's not like a proceeding, right, then

701
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: it's not public information to the students that this professor

702
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: has like a Title nine allegation against them, and so

703
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: in that way, no one is really safe, right. And

704
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: so they were telling me like, well, this is a

705
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: problem because I have a Title nine accusation against this person,

706
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: but nobody else knows, and I can't really talk about it,

707
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: and I don't know if they have other Title Knight

708
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: allegations against them, And so exactly what you're saying, like,

709
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: unless there's like an arrest record, you're not going to know, no.

710
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: And so you know, somebody like that can very easily

711
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 2: slip through those cracks and get rehired and rehired and

712
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: rehired at schools. So that's what happened here, But it

713
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: was only because there was a word of mouth between

714
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: former students at the old school, parents, faculty, the word

715
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: got out, right, and then that's when I don't know,

716
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: they tip something off to a journalist. There was a

717
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: write up in the paper. It was a whole thing, right,

718
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 2: But I see that. I think those situations are where

719
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: you'll see an ethical cheesema, you know, like, oh, this

720
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: guy has never been arrested, he's never been charged, but

721
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: just know that he has this pattern, right. You know.

722
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 2: There was another example right before the pandemic. Actually, I

723
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: was working at this all girls school in Pasadena. In January,

724
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: like right after we got back from winter break, they

725
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: had like an all staff faculty meeting, and the head

726
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: of the upper school was like, you guys, faculty prepare

727
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: lesson plans for remote learning because we have a parent

728
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: who works at the Pasadena Department of Public Health who

729
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: has received word that there is an oncoming pandemic and

730
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: everything is going to get shut down, So you guys

731
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 2: need to be prepared to like go home and teach

732
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: from home with like maybe a week's notice. But they

733
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: let us know in January, so they had more than

734
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: a week, right, because then things shut down when in

735
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: March March, So that day I went home and my

736
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: mom is a teacher, but at like a predominantly Latino

737
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: school in Montapello. I was like, Mom, these white people

738
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: know something that none of us know, and they just

739
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 2: told us, you know, and they're saying a pandemic is coming,

740
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: and they're asking all the teachers to prepare lesson plans. Now,

741
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: this is the type of school that is not going

742
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: to do something like that unless it's actually happening, you know.

743
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: And I went and I told my mom and she

744
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. And then my mom went

745
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: and told her faculty, her other teachers, and they started

746
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: making their lesson plan copies and they started preparing, and

747
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 2: then of course, like March, here comes a pandemic, we're

748
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: shut in. So I took that as an example of

749
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: me engaging in ethical cheese mess for the greater good,

750
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: for the children, for the child child, for the children

751
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: and Monabella, for their futures. So yeah, go Meme, go you.

752
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: Go, cu Mala stars tens across the board.

753
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: Thank you. I do it. I can so Yeah. I mean,

754
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: do you have now new evolved thoughts or examples experiences

755
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: since twenty seventeen involving ethical cheese?

756
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean for me, I think my big one

757
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: has one that I'm not ready to talk about, okay, fair,

758
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: And so when I was in grad school, my thesis

759
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: I think was a form of ethical cheese meent, and

760
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm my thesis I'm adapting into like

761
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a bigger project. And so, which is why I don't

762
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: want to talk about it just yet. But I think,

763
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: going back to what I said about family histories, like,

764
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: I think our family histories, obviously we know they're personal.

765
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: They can be a part of oral history, our own

766
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: oral history and how we pass down traditions and knowledge.

767
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: But there's also this thing in the Latino LATINX community

768
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: where there's like lots of secrets.

769
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we love a good sect, We love.

770
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: A good secret, secrets that are harmful, secrets that are

771
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: like scandalous, salacious, harmful, what have you. And so I

772
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: think that the project that I'm working on that will

773
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: hopefully see the light of day sometime this year or

774
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: next year, is a form of ethical cheesement.

775
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

776
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's a form of you know, really looking at

777
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: my family as an as an example, as a case study,

778
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: but looking at it within the context of a larger

779
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: phenomenon in the Latino LATINX community and so to be determined.

780
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: I hate to be cryptic. I'm so sorry, but I

781
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 1: think that there are because there's a lot of secrets

782
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: and you can think of whatever secret your family may

783
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: have and think about, well, why don't they want anybody

784
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: to know this? And so I think in unleashing the

785
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: secrets in an ethical way, right, not in a way

786
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna harm anybody and like implicate someone or maybe

787
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think that by setting the

788
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: secrets free, we're also letting go of shame, and I

789
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: think that that is a part of using ethical tetementth.

790
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like the project that you

791
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: are describing is perfectly encapsulates the concept. You guys are

792
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: gonna love it. You guys are gonna love it. I'm

793
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: so sorry for you guys. If you don't know what

794
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: it is, I hope you're jealous of me because I

795
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: know what it is.

796
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: Malin knows all my secrets, yes she does, yes, yes, yes, yes,

797
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: and one day you will also know all of my secrets.

798
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: They're good, yeah, they're good ones.

799
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I like going back to what you said.

800
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: I like what you said of like expanding on like

801
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: the knowledge share as ethical chietment and like resource sharing

802
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: as ethical chietment. Because I think like pandemic of I mean,

803
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: having lived through the pandemic and the ongoing pandemic, that's

804
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess now an endemic of seeing like the mutual

805
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: aids of seeing people just really pull their resources together. Yes,

806
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: thinking about how businesses were like applying to different grants

807
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: to like keep their business aflow, like all that resource sharing.

808
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: That's like really hard to also navigate because there's a

809
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: lot of bureaucracy involved, and so when you have someone

810
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: that's like willing to like walk you through that process.

811
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking mainly during the pandemic, right of like the

812
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: small little like nobody knows this, but we applied for

813
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: a PP loan. Yes, it was a very small loan.

814
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: And the reason that we applied, I mean we applied

815
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: for it because we needed it because we were traveling

816
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot. But the reason that we were able to

817
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: apply for it and get it was because my best friend,

818
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: her mother is a realtor and used to work in banking,

819
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: and so she knew how to like do all those

820
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: documents and so she did it for us, you know,

821
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: for a small fee, and we were able to like

822
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: pay ourselves a little something and that helped me pay

823
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: the mortgage, you know, And like that's I think is

824
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: another form of like resource sharing that we did during

825
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: the pandemic.

826
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh one, it was so helpful. And you know, I

827
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: don't think that we were really considering that for ourselves.

828
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: No, we wouldn't. We wouldn't have.

829
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: Until she brought it up to us because at the.

830
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Time we were just we were freelancers, independent contractors. We

831
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: didn't have an LLC, right, Like, we didn't really have

832
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: the income to apply for a PPP loan the way

833
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: like other businesses did, but we did have a little something.

834
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: So we did get a little something and then we

835
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: got it forgiven because we had someone that was able

836
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: to like save your receipts, submit them to me. Yes,

837
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I will submit them for you, like all that bureaucracy

838
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: that can really overwhelm me or overwhelm you. So having

839
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: someone help us with that, I think was another way

840
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: of like like you're saying that resource sharing.

841
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, even like the referrals we've gotten over the years

842
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: for our attorney, for our accountant, et cetera, et cetera,

843
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: et cetera, like where would we have found our attorney,

844
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: Like not with the Google search, right, you know, like

845
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: we would not have been able to find him on

846
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: our own. No, somebody else had to share the information

847
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: with us. They had to decide like Okay, I'm going

848
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: to give them this this nugget, yes, you know, and

849
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: it was a gold nugget. It was a gold nugget.

850
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: It was Sometimes they're dirt rocks, but sometimes they're gold.

851
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: So that's something also to look out for. It's like,

852
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: not all cheese nut is at that goal.

853
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some of it is, but some of us,

854
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: some of it is, some of it is, yes, yes, yeah,

855
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: Well I think that we continue to engage in ethical

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Speaker 1: cheese me through the podcast and look up histemologies. I

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Speaker 1: think obviously the entire podcast is look up histemologies. We

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Speaker 1: don't even have to call it that. That's literally just

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Speaker 1: what Loka thought our radio is. But yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: to see like people talking about cheeseman reframing it and

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Speaker 1: like really thinking about the way. Like whenever anything is

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Speaker 1: like relegated like feminine or too, like that's like there's

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Speaker 1: obviously there's negative connotation to it. So I love that

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Speaker 1: people have like reclaimed cheesemut. Yeah, and they use it

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Speaker 1: in their own way. There's a lot of projects called

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Speaker 1: cheesema now.

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Speaker 2: Which is cool.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, but yeah, I mean, you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about ethical cheesement back in twenty seventeen, so go us.

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Speaker 2: Go us. I wonder too, with the the that it's

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Speaker 2: not so recent anymore. But the viral Kat Williams interview

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Speaker 2: on the Shannon Sharp podcast, Right, Kat Williams was dropping

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Speaker 2: so many stories and like facts and so much information.

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Speaker 2: There were some moments where I was like, okay, Cat,

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Speaker 2: you were eleven, you read five thousand books in a year. Okay.

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Speaker 2: There's little things where I'm like, all right, you know,

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Speaker 2: but embellishing, you're melting. But there was so much buzz

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Speaker 2: around his interview and people sharing clips and other comedians

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Speaker 2: coming in and saying, he's telling the truth, this is

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Speaker 2: what happened, this is the backstory. He's dropping gems here,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so I think sometimes somebody like a

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Speaker 2: Cat Williams will come out with an explosive interview and

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Speaker 2: some like insider knowledge, some behind the scenes stuff, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I find that also be like an example of this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, I mean we haven't even talked about.

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Speaker 1: Just to wrap up the conversation, you know, with some

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Speaker 1: macro examples, like the whistleblowers of the La Fed tapes.

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Speaker 1: You know, when the most powerful Latinos in La La

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Speaker 1: City Council were caught jerrymandering, being racist, being anti indigenous

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Speaker 1: in in one room and that was leaked, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty two. So I think, like that's

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Speaker 1: an example of ethical cheatment. I think the person that

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Speaker 1: leaked the Supreme Court Row versus Wade draft was engaging

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Speaker 1: in ethical chievement. They were a whistleblower. I think Wilson

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Speaker 1: whistleblowing is ethical cheesement.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think back in the day at the time,

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Speaker 2: we cited a couple people as engaging in ethical cheesement,

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Speaker 2: and I want to say one of them was was

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Speaker 2: her name, Jennifer Fry, who was the mistress of Scott Peterson, Yes,

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Speaker 2: who like came forward and blew the whole case up

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Speaker 2: and was like, I've it was him.

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Speaker 1: I think that was actually our episode of Oh we.

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Speaker 2: Were talking, well, we were talking about how mistresses have

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Speaker 2: engaged in ethical cheese men, okay, And so Jennifer Fry

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Speaker 2: was one of those examples.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.

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Speaker 2: Monica Luincy I think also made that episode also did.

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Speaker 2: According to Wikipedia, her father is Bernard Lewinsky, an oncologist

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Speaker 2: who is the son of German Jews who escaped from

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Speaker 2: Nazi Germany, first moving to El Salvador, finally to the

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Speaker 2: United States when he was fourteen. So they had a

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Speaker 2: stop in El Salvador. Yes, but I personally, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: hold Monica stop it.

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Speaker 1: I remember you actually saying Monica episode as a Latina icon.

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Speaker 2: I do not so, but she was in that episode.

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Speaker 2: She was, and we talked about how she also was

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Speaker 2: engaging in an ethical cheesema about good old slick willy

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton. Lord that man. My mom loves Bill Clinton

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Speaker 2: to this day.

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Speaker 1: The Latinos love Bill c love Bill Clinton. They do.

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Speaker 1: They love Bill Clinton, especially the boomers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they love Bill Clinton. Yes, it's the saxophone. It's

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Speaker 2: the saxophone. People love like a cool like a cool present,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, forget about the war crimes, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's cool.

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Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. Well, this has been another episode of Look at Radio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to the entire season two

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Speaker 1: past seasons. Thank you for keeping up with us year

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Speaker 1: after year. This has been an incredible season and we

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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back next season.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, those Loka Radio. A radio fun Novela

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